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Our Politicians Have No Faith In Us

by Flyovercountry ( 97 Comments › )
Filed under Democratic Party, Economy, Progressives, Republican Party at January 7th, 2013 - 7:00 am

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I find it hard to blame them, as true faith is a hard thing to have. Faith is that ability to believe in something, even though all of the objective evidence points in another direction. It is the ability to hold a belief in direct contrast to the world around you. Like anything else in our world, while it is difficult to maintain, the rewards are also extraordinary. Faith gives people an emotional strength unparalleled during times when they should be falling apart. Faith gives a strong moral compass to those who find themselves in a world where the morals of alley cats seems a more fitting description. Faith can give its adherents courage during times when courage is needed, and compassion when it is needed most.

As with anything else in life, it can also be misplaced, misapplied, or even lied about. When that happens, it almost never turns out to be a good thing. Every first Tuesday in November since the founding of our nation, we have held elections to help determine the direction of our government. Every year, during those few months in the lead up to those elections, we have a national debate in which we try to convince each other that the person we like will do the best job of representing our wishes, values, beliefs, and best interests for the various positions which are being contested. A sundry list of housekeeping issues will also appear, mostly involving spending issues or changes in public policy concerning various organized ideas of the electorate. Every year, without fail, promises are made. There will invariably be a group of people who promise that they believe in smaller government, less spending, and share the values of the half of the electorate who believe themselves to be conservatives. Some of them will win, and some of them will not.

The first Tuesday in November of 2012 was no exception to this. In fact, 233 of the 435 people elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, which constitutes a majority of that particular institution of our federal government, fit into the category of people who promised to be conservatives. How did that work out you may ask, and it’s a good question too. Allow Charles M. Schultz to illustrate.

New Year’s Day in 2013 did not find me in a happy place. That was the day that the Republican controlled house once again pulled away the football, and again tested our faith as voters in the professed intentions of those for whom most of us voted. We will hear the same things in 2014, said by mostly the same people, and we will all continue to receive the same solicitations for funding in the mail, beseeching us with an appeal for putting a stop to the profligate spending, which will doubtless be increasing at an insane rate. Help us to put an end to the bloated out of control behemoth that our government has become will be written in emails, spoken to us from scripted phone calls, sent via The United States Postal Service, or even solicited door to door.

My prediction is that come 2014, no matter what we all say now, we will be there attempting to elect the very same group. Our faith is not what’s at issue. The faith of those for whom we are voting is. What after all led to our Republican controlled congress to agree to a deal that saw an increase in every American’s tax rate in exchange for, well nothing good? What John Boehner and his team of crack experts born apparently without spines got in exchange for admitting that Reagan’s economic boom was the evil that caused our economic malaise, (which is nonsense of course,) was an actual increase in spending, on top of our already disastrous budgetary deficit. That was then trumpeted by our petty little President as the mere beginning of his, “balanced approach.”

The good news in all of this of course is that John Boehner has officially announced that he fully intends to grow a spine for future negotiations, yay! The bad news of course is that Boehner, along with many of his colleagues, lack the faith to follow through with this promise once things begin to look tough for them. They lack the faith that the electorate will stick with them should they be blamed for what ever happens once the nonexistent and totally manufactured crises become perceived reality. They lack the faith that we voters will adequately reward them for not bringing home more pork than their neighbor. They lack the faith that free market principles will work sufficiently well to overcome the allure of those snake oil salesmen selling free goodies from public largess. They lack the faith in us, that we will be able to see through the empty promises of free crap and find the virtues of social and economic freedom more appealing.

Milton Friedman once said that electing the right people is not what we should be concerning ourselves with. We should be concerning ourselves with the task of making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things. My faith is not in John Boehner, or even Jim Renacci, (who thanks to redistricting, replaced Dennis, “the complete loony tunes out there idiot,” as my representative, and also by the way voted against the fiscal cliff deal.) My faith is in the Constitution, and the wisdom of our forefathers. While it is true that I am not ecstatic with the direction our nation has taken recently, I also have faith that the very same document which founded our nation gave us the tools to reverse problematic courses, and eventually we’ll figure this out. I have faith that anything that can be done by man, can also be undone. I also have faith that our country is worth fighting for. Our freedoms are worth fighting for. Our God given rights, which by the way were only recognized in the Constitution rather than granted by it, are also worthy of one hell of a fight.

November of 2012 was a disaster for our country. The fiscal cliff deal was one of the many consequences of that disaster, there will be more. This President and his minions will be ushering us from one looming manufactured and not quite real crisis to another for the next four years. It’s how they roll. We still need to fight this in order to save our country. Obamacare is the law of the land, but as with anything that can be done by man, it can be undone as well. Fortunately, economic markets are self correcting, if slow sometimes. I refuse to give up, and I will continue fighting for this nation. I also have faith in my fellow man, and more particularly in my fellow American. I have this faith because our nation is not a decade in age, nor was it founded just prior to Woodrow Wilson becoming President. Our nation is 239 years in age, and that economic freedom that has been blamed for today’s ills, albeit wrongly, is also the very same engine that produced the vast wealth that has allowed us to survive so well while we dismantle the very engine of our success. In this we should take the lesson well. The leftists never fully disappeared due to the collapse of their model nations. They continued fighting on, until they took control here. We should keep fighting also. After all, we have the virtue of the better message.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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  1. 1 | January 7, 2013 7:48 am

    Another super post!

    Politics is just the symptom, the malady goes far deeper. Over the past 50 years or so, the basic underpinnings of our culture have been questioned then refracted to mean anything we want them to mean thus rendering the very concept of “principles” worthless. We’ve become so open-minded that our brains have fallen out, our “tolerance” has reached a point where nearly anything is acceptable and even that which
    is unacceptable is “explainable”. A civilization without limits is no longer a civilization.

    As a people, we want profligate spending, if it’s on us, and we want higher taxes to pay for it, as long as we’re not the ones being taxed. We want peace, but we’re not prepared to do what it takes to defeat those who live for war -- we’re not even prepared to call them by name. As a nation, we’re much like Scarlett O’Hara before the war; secure in our own little egg, actually believing we can stave off reality forever. We can’t.

    It’s oft said that we get the leaders that we deserve and that’s never been so true as it is today -- faithless pols to represent a faithless constituency. We, as a people, have gotten precisely what we asked for. “The fault, dear Brutus, lies not within our stars, but within ourselves”


  2. 2 | January 7, 2013 8:00 am

    @ MacDuff:

    You are exactly right. The Leftists wormed their way into AMerican culture post-World War Two. We have not been willing to do what was necessary to defeat our enemies since then. IF (and when) a new Nazi Germany arose today, they would kick our asses. We don’t have the will as a people to do what it takes to defeat them. The only thing that is saving us from Islam is the backwards nature of Islam itself. They are barbarians, and everyone really knows that they are barbarians. But we lack the will to do a Sherman through Georgisa on the Middle East and really put the hurt on our enemies.


  3. Buckeye Abroad
    3 | January 7, 2013 8:00 am

    “We should keep fighting also. After all, we have the virtue of the better message.”

    Fight or submit. It boils down to that. Enjoy your posts FO. You eloquently put into words what I think at times.


  4. Buckeye Abroad
    4 | January 7, 2013 8:05 am

    Comical phone call this morning. A liberal expat friend called to ask financial advice-- his local bank has informed him that he has been dropped as a customer and needs to inform them where they need to transfer his holdings. He has some money wrapped in EU mutual funds.

    Told him this is Obama’s gift to him-- EU banks need to comply with US regs if they have US citizens as account holders. It’s easier, and cheaper, to boot the few US customers than comply. Told him to put into his wife’s name-- he doesn’t want to do that. Now he is thinking of taking German passport and renouncing his US citizenship.


  5. 5 | January 7, 2013 8:07 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Our will has been broken, not by adversity, it’s been broken the only way Americans’ will could possibly be broken -- by indulgence.


  6. Da_Beerfreak
    6 | January 7, 2013 8:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Curtis LeMay would know how to solve the mohammedan problem. :twisted:


  7. rain of lead
    7 | January 7, 2013 8:30 am

    mornin ya’ll
    woke up toes up so it must be a good day


  8. 8 | January 7, 2013 8:31 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Indeed he would have. There are still men like that around, but our military is structured tuch that they never get close to any kind of command position. We have built up a command culture that is decidedly non-aggressive. If it were otherwise, you’d have seen officers resigining in protest over the asinine RO that we have been suffering under in Afghanistan.


  9. Da_Beerfreak
    9 | January 7, 2013 8:32 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    mornin ya’ll
    woke up toes up so it must be a good day

    Any day spent on the green side of the grass is a good day. :mrgreen:


  10. rain of lead
    10 | January 7, 2013 8:34 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    yeah, I’ve heard that dirt naps ain’t the best


  11. Guggi
    11 | January 7, 2013 8:36 am

    What after all led to our Republican controlled congress to agree to a deal that saw an increase in every American’s tax rate in exchange for, well nothing good?

    Which alternative did they have ?


  12. rain of lead
    12 | January 7, 2013 8:38 am

    if they only had a brain backbone

    Okay, Boehner: Take A Damned Stand

    They want to play the “no negotiation” game? Obama, Mr. Stimulus, wants to blame CONGRESS for overspending?

    Fine. Here’s what you do.

    You draw up a budget that has what you want. No more whining about what the other side will agree to. Just figure out what you want and then pass it.

    And then approve nothing else. Whatsoever.

    You have the House. You have the spending power. Obama is blaming YOU for not exercising it wisely.

    And he’s right.

    So raise the debt limit. And then pass what YOU think is a defensible budget.

    If the Democrat-controlled Senate and the Democrat president won’t pass it, that’s on them.

    The debt ceiling is not a way to make a stand because it’s suicidal and you know it. So raise it.

    And then, pass exactly what you want. If they’re going to blame you, then you vote only for a bill you feel comfortable taking FULL responsibility for.

    Dammit. Take a stand for once in your life. Why are you doing this job if you’re not going to take a stand

    would be nice but prolly not gonna happen


  13. rain of lead
    13 | January 7, 2013 8:41 am

    comment from elsewhere that makes a very sharp point

    on the Second Amendment… And speaking of which,

    Notice the unusual way obama phrases this: “I believe in people’s LAWFUL right to bear arms.”

    Why would he refer to a basic right as “lawful?” Could there be any such thing as an “unlawful right?” In fact, the law has nothing to do with it. The Bill of Rights is a list of fundamental freedoms which supersede the law or any government. As with freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and our other basic freedoms, the right to protect yourself and your property, by force of arms if you so choose, is ALREADY a right to which all free people are entitled, before the law or even the Constitution are even considered. The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms, but simply reaffirms that it IS our (literally) God-given right, one which neither Congress nor the President has the authority to abridge.

    But if obama believes bearing arms to be a “lawful” right, does that mean that he thinks that all that is necessary to deprive us of that right is to change the law, after which that freedom will simply disappear since it is no longer “lawful?”

    I think obama chose his words very carefully when he phrased it the way he did. Of course, outright lying would have worked too; it’s not like the press is going to call him on it.


  14. Guggi
    14 | January 7, 2013 8:41 am

    Iron Fist

    this one is for you :-)

    One is nuclear fission using thorium as a fuel, which produces less than one per cent of the radioactive waste of a conventional, uranium reactor and cannot be used to make weapons.

    Another is fusion, which makes energy by fusing hydrogen nuclei in the same way as the sun. Critics sneer that for decades fusion has been said to be ‘20 years away’, suggesting it will never be realised. Yet in the past 15 years, significant advances have been made at the experimental reactor at Culham, near Oxford.

    Professor Steve Cowley, the project’s director, told me that by the mid-2020s, there would be a ‘Wright Brothers moment’ when people finally grasped that commercial fusion power was attainable: the successor to Culham, being built at Aix-en-Provence in the South of France, will, he said, produce a self-sustaining fusion ‘burn’ with a net output of 500 MW for an hour.

    However, in the meantime, he admitted, progress is frustratingly slow because of the lack of funds.


  15. Da_Beerfreak
    15 | January 7, 2013 8:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Pampered, political Generals that care more about kissing ass rather than kicking asses into next week are the dark side of civilian control of the military.

    Warriors are never found until after the wimps have failed.


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | January 7, 2013 8:45 am

    Our nation is 239 years in age, and that economic freedom that has been blamed for today’s ills, albeit wrongly, is also the very same engine that produced the vast wealth that has allowed us to survive so well while we dismantle the very engine of our success. In this we should take the lesson well. The leftists never fully disappeared due to the collapse of their model nations. They continued fighting on, until they took control here. We should keep fighting also. After all, we have the virtue of the better message.

    economic freedom has been blamed for ills as far back as the late 1800′s in America. its a never ending drumbeat from the left and the right, just some more regulations, more govt control and everything will be great!

    its cyclic, but after the establishment of the fed the pendulum is stuck in the ‘progressive’ side of the arc. but even the fed can be good and be an engine of freedom, witness the slaying of inflation by paul volker in the 80′s.

    we survived the progressives in the early 1900′s, the johnson administration’s war on poverty, and we will survive obama. we will survive as long as there are people willing to claw back the gains made by the progressives on both sides of the aisle.


  17. Guggi
    17 | January 7, 2013 8:46 am

    Bank of America, Fannie Mae reach mortgage loan settlement, AP reports

    Bank of America has reached a settlement with Fannie Mae on residential mortgage loans sold by the bank and its Countrywide unit to the agency through the end of 2008.

    The settlement includes a $3.6 billion payment to Fannie Mae. Bank of America will also buy back some of the loans sold to Fannie Mae for $6.75 billion.


  18. rain of lead
    18 | January 7, 2013 8:46 am

    bwahahahahahahahahahahaha
    (what’s that german word?)

    Crushed unicorn dreams: ‘Why is my paycheck less’ turns to Obama vote regrets; ‘I should have voted Romney’

    http://twitchy.com/2013/01/06/crushed-unicorn-dreams-why-is-my-paycheck-less-turns-to-obama-vote-regrets-i-should-have-voted-romney/

    Oh, dear. The harsh reality of crushed unicorn dreams and the bitter smell of regret. As Twitchy reported, Americans started noticing that Obama’s “fair share” claims weren’t so fair and many were shocked … shocked … that their first paychecks of the year were smaller.


  19. coldwarrior
    19 | January 7, 2013 8:47 am

    @ rain of lead:

    a great plan.


  20. coldwarrior
    20 | January 7, 2013 8:49 am

    @ rain of lead:

    uh oh!

    reality slays the unicorn!


  21. rain of lead
    21 | January 7, 2013 8:50 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    mornin CW

    how’s life in your corner of the world?


  22. 22 | January 7, 2013 8:50 am

    @ rain of lead:
    I am honestly more concerned about the gun control issue than I am the budget right now. We are on a course to crash the budget. The Democrats have seen to that. There is probably nothign that we can do to stop that. Gun control, OTOH, is not a given. If the Republicans stand firm, then at the least Obama will be limited to Executive Orders for what he does. And the politics of the situation may keep him from doing anything by executive order. If he does, he will probably lose the Senate in the next election. He has the Republicans on the ropes, but if he lets the gun control genie out of th ebottle, all bets are off. The people that are buying guns in record numbers righ tnow aren’t buying them to register them for confiscation with Obama’s word. There will be massive civil disobediance. ANd there should be. Anything Obama does will be unconstitutional. Unconstitutional laws aren’t laws. They should be disobeyed.


  23. Da_Beerfreak
    23 | January 7, 2013 8:51 am

    @ rain of lead:
    Obama is a true commie rat bastard atheist. To a true believer there is no God so therefore there can be no God given Rights. To him and his minions there is no higher authority than The State.


  24. 24 | January 7, 2013 8:52 am

    @ Guggi:

    The alternative that they had available was to do exactly as 151 of them did. The could have voted no. The House has Constitutional domain over any spending done by our government. The fact is, this particular measure will have far greater negative economic impact than going over the supposed fiscal cliff, and these clowns that voted aye knew this. Not only did we not get our cut in spending, as Boehner promised to hold out for by the bye, we got saddled with an increase in spending, which as we all know is an increase in taxation.

    The alternative that most of us were looking for was some sign that our elected leaders have any sort of central belief system that reflects the wishes of those who voted them into office.

    I don’t mind John Boehner’s water works show, so long as he might do the right thing. This time however, and remember that I’ve been one of his defenders up until now, he screwed us, and he didn’t even have the gosh darned common decency to give us a reach around.

    So now the next looming crisis has been brought into focus, the debt ceiling. No doubt he’ll capitulate there, and then we’ll move on to the next after that. 4 years, with a average of 4 crises per year, we’ll do this 15 more times with Barack Obama. Welcome to Chicago, U.S.A.


  25. coldwarrior
    25 | January 7, 2013 8:52 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    mornin CW
    how’s life in your corner of the world?

    all is well at the big bend in the ohio river this morning.


  26. Guggi
    26 | January 7, 2013 8:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    There are still men like that around, but our military is structured tuch that they never get close to any kind of command position.

    …and if they are in command they get fired like Gen. David McKiernan was fired from his command in Afghanistan and replaced with McChrystal because he wasn’t “political connected in Washington” (according to WaPo). He was correct twice:

    First in Iraq when he advocated to destroy the Saddam Fedayeen first and ultimately -- which was opposed by Gen. Franks and

    second in Afghanistan when under his year of command “only” about 54 troops were killed while under McChrystal the number was near 1.000.

    He was a military through and through not a politician dressed as officer.


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | January 7, 2013 8:59 am

    propaganda:

    AP: FEWER EXCITED GUN-BUYERS IN COLO, CONN….

    But gun checks nearly double in both states…

    Colo wait up to 8 days — normal time 15 minutes!

    3 headlines from drudge


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | January 7, 2013 8:59 am

    welcome back, carter!

    WASHINGTON — With 2013 bringing tax increases on the incomes of a small sliver of the richest Americans, the country’s top earners now face a heavier tax burden than at any time since Jimmy Carter was president.

    The last-minute deal struck by the departing 112th Congress raised taxes on a handful of the highest-earning Americans, with about 99.3 percent of households experiencing no change in their income taxes. But the Tax Policy Center estimates that the average family in the top 1 percent will pay a federal tax rate of more than 36 percent this year, up from 28 percent in 2008. That is the highest rate since 1979, at least.


  29. rain of lead
    29 | January 7, 2013 9:00 am

    another reason to not do buisness with Banl of America

    UNREAL! BofA Freezes Gun Manufacturer’s Deposits Saying: “We Believe You Should Not Be Selling Guns On The Internet”

    All,
    My name is Joe Sirochman owner of American Spirit Arms and I wanted to share my recent experience with Bank of America .(which we have been doing business with for over 10 years)…. Everyone is familiar with the latest increase in guns sales , dealers selling out of inventory , Manufacturers back logged for months , large revenue all generated in the last two weeks …. American Spirit Arms is no exception to the overwhelming demand . What we have experienced is that our web site orders have jumped 500 % causing our web site E commerce processing larger Deposits to BANK OF AMERICA ..Well, this through up a huge RED Flag with Bank of America . So they decided to hold the deposits for further review , meaning that the orders/payments that were coming in through the web ,( being paid by the customer and that were shipped out by American Spirit Arms ),the BANK was keeping (UNDER REVIEW )..as you could imagine this made me furious…After countless hours on the phone with BANK OF AMERICA I finally got a Manager in the right department that told me the reason that the deposits were on hold for FURTHER REVIEW …HER EXACT WORDS WERE …

    ..” WE BELIEVE YOU SHOULD NOT BE SELLING GUNS and PARTS ON THE INTERNET “

    …I flipped the F**k Out and told them that they have no right to make up their own new rules and regs..that we are a firearms Manufacturer with all the proper licensing FFL (Federal Firearm license ), SOT and that we follow all Federal and All States’ rules and regulations on shipping Firearms and parts ..and that we are also Audited by ATF and Homeland
    Security on a regular basis … She said that she understands that but that the deposits will be released After they have a chance to review and clear them …I told her that This was unacceptable and the those deposits (that were a week old by now ) needed to be released ASAP, that we are a small business and rely on the revenue to run and stay operational.


  30. 30 | January 7, 2013 9:18 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    The Rich wanted to pay higher taxes. Let them enjoy what they wanted.


  31. 31 | January 7, 2013 9:20 am

    @ Flyovercountry:

    The House has Constitutional domain over any spending done by our government.

    Someone needs to remind the God-King and his Eunuch Boehner of that!


  32. 32 | January 7, 2013 9:22 am

    ink.@ rain of lead:

    Elections have consequences.


  33. Guggi
    33 | January 7, 2013 9:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The Rich wanted to pay higher taxes. Let them enjoy what they wanted.

    capital is mobile.


  34. 34 | January 7, 2013 9:24 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    IF (and when) a new Nazi Germany arose today, they would kick our asses.

    China is embracing National Socialism. Something to watch out for.


  35. 35 | January 7, 2013 9:26 am

    @ Guggi:

    I know that, but all these rich people supported Obama and bitched they did not pay enough. They got their wish. Knowing the hypocrites most of them are, they will probably get Russian citizenship to pay a low 13% rate.


  36. 36 | January 7, 2013 9:27 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Boehner is Obama’s Eunuch. He does his God-King’s bidding.


  37. Guggi
    37 | January 7, 2013 9:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I know that, but all these rich people supported Obama and bitched they did not pay enough.

    It’s all about image and feel good. They don’t care about the poor and the middle class.


  38. Guggi
    38 | January 7, 2013 9:33 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    Boehner is Obama’s Eunuch. He does his God-King’s bidding.

    Again my serious question:

    what alternative would there have been ?


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | January 7, 2013 9:35 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The Rich wanted to pay higher taxes. Let them enjoy what they wanted.

    i agree. they voted for it.


  40. rain of lead
    40 | January 7, 2013 9:35 am

    Mr T’s head just assploded

    Wealthy Indian spends £14,000 on a shirt made of GOLD to impress the ladies

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257209/Wealthy-Indian-Datta-Phuge-spends-14-000-shirt-GOLD-impress-ladies.html#ixzz2HIgugqqq
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | January 7, 2013 9:37 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ rain of lead:
    Boehner is Obama’s Eunuch. He does his God-King’s bidding.
    Again my serious question:
    what alternative would there have been ?

    do their job and pass a plan that they can defend and then hand it to the senate and then the prez.

    they could have done their job as the branch that controls spending / created budgets / levies taxes.


  42. rain of lead
    42 | January 7, 2013 9:37 am

    ok off to work
    later ya’ll


  43. 43 | January 7, 2013 9:39 am

    @ Guggi:

    There was none. Taxes had to go up. Obama’s re-election assured that. Frankly, it would have been in some ways better if everybody’s taxes went up. That still wouldn’t begin to close the gap in Obama’s spending, but then everybody would see a direct consequence of Obama’s re-election. You fight the fights that you can win. Ultimately, the people of the United States want the impossible. They want high government spending and low taxes and a balanced budget. That simply can’t happen. The only thing we can possibly do is cut spending, but Obama has it set up so that the voters will scream when he cuts spending. Everybody wants thei rpiece of the pie, and they don’t care that they are having to borrow billions from China in order to get it. Our debt is so huge that the average American can’t conceive of how huge it is. It’d be like I have half a million in credit card debt, and more than that, really. People don’t understand about Social Security and Medicare, and how huge the unfunded liabilities are there. They don’t teach these things in school any more. They don’t want the people to know how they’ve been scammed.


  44. RIX
    44 | January 7, 2013 9:41 am

    Good morning. Related to this post, One of the reasons that Obama was
    named Time Magazine Person of the year is that he motivated low information
    voters to vote & vote for him.
    There ya go, they don’t know why they voted for him, they just did.


  45. 45 | January 7, 2013 9:43 am

    @ RIX:

    Because what we need are more ignorant voters.


  46. 46 | January 7, 2013 9:52 am

    @ RIX:
    @ Iron Fist:

    We need to start manipulating low information voters.


  47. 47 | January 7, 2013 9:52 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Well said!


  48. 48 | January 7, 2013 9:55 am

    @ Guggi:

    what alternative would there have been ?

    I don’t know at this point because between the Spineless Establishment and the Purists, the Republican Party is dysfunctional. They can start by passing spending bills in the House and send them to the Senate. At that point, it’s on the Senate.


  49. Guggi
    49 | January 7, 2013 9:55 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    do their job and pass a plan that they can defend and then hand it to the senate and then the prez.

    The House faces a democratic dominated Senate and a democratic President. I doubt they could have passed a plan.


  50. RIX
    50 | January 7, 2013 9:56 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Because what we need are more ignorant voters.

    And we have them.


  51. RIX
    51 | January 7, 2013 9:57 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    @ Iron Fist:

    We need to start manipulating low information voters.

    Obama and the media did.


  52. coldwarrior
    52 | January 7, 2013 10:02 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    They don’t teach these things in school any more. They don’t want the people to know how they’ve been scammed.

    they quit teaching econ in schools for a reason


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | January 7, 2013 10:03 am

    Guggi wrote:

    The House faces a democratic dominated Senate and a democratic President. I doubt they could have passed a plan.

    that does not matter. pass a plan and defend it.

    do their job, tax and spending lies with the congress


  54. Guggi
    54 | January 7, 2013 10:03 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    There was none. Taxes had to go up. Obama’s re-election assured that. Frankly, it would have been in some ways better if everybody’s taxes went up. That still wouldn’t begin to close the gap in Obama’s spending, but then everybody would see a direct consequence of Obama’s re-election. You fight the fights that you can win. Ultimately, the people of the United States want the impossible. They want high government spending and low taxes and a balanced budget. That simply can’t happen. The only thing we can possibly do is cut spending, but Obama has it set up so that the voters will scream when he cuts spending. Everybody wants thei rpiece of the pie, and they don’t care that they are having to borrow billions from China in order to get it. Our debt is so huge that the average American can’t conceive of how huge it is. It’d be like I have half a million in credit card debt, and more than that, really. People don’t understand about Social Security and Medicare, and how huge the unfunded liabilities are there. They don’t teach these things in school any more. They don’t want the people to know how they’ve been scammed.

    Couldn’t agree more.


  55. 55 | January 7, 2013 10:05 am

    @ RIX:

    It is hard to do it without control of the media. You have to control where low information voters get what little information they bother to get. That would be people lik eJon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. We can’t control that. And that is the problem. The Left has a propaganda machine out there that is selling their snake oil 24-7, and low information voters are very gullible. They believe what they are told. I don’t see how you break through that wall. They don’t want to be informed, they want to be entertained. They are willfully ignorant. It is hard to educate those who don’t want to be educated.


  56. Guggi
    56 | January 7, 2013 10:07 am

    The FED is the biggest creditor of the US-government not China. The FED literally owns the US-people.


  57. 57 | January 7, 2013 10:09 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Instead of spending Millions on useless ads, these Conservative Super pacs should be buying up magazines and networks. Then entertain people with a Rightwing message. Play the Left’s game. But it’s not going to happen since the people who run the GOP probably like losing.


  58. Guggi
    58 | January 7, 2013 10:09 am

    What is this rumor about the “1-Trillion-US$-coin” ?


  59. 59 | January 7, 2013 10:09 am

    Guggi wrote:

    The FED is the biggest creditor of the US-government not China. The FED literally owns the US-people.

    The Fed prints money to buy debt from itself. Neat how that works?


  60. 60 | January 7, 2013 10:10 am

    Guggi wrote:

    What is this rumor about the “1-Trillion-US$-coin” ?

    It’s just talk.


  61. coldwarrior
    61 | January 7, 2013 10:12 am

    Guggi wrote:

    What is this rumor about the “1-Trillion-US$-coin” ?

    its a technical issue

    n case you’re not familiar with this idea: In general, the Treasury Department is not allowed to just print money if it feels like it. It must defer to the Federal Reserve’s control of the money supply. But there is an exception: Platinum coins may be struck with whatever specifications the Treasury secretary sees fit, including denomination.

    This law was intended to allow the production of commemorative coins for collectors. But it can also be used to create large-denomination coins that Treasury can deposit with the Fed to finance payment of the government’s bills, in lieu of issuing debt.


  62. 62 | January 7, 2013 10:13 am

    @ Guggi:

    It is just noise. It does allude to how they really want to get us out of debt, though. Hyperinflation. That that will devistate the middle class, make it practically non-existant, is seen as a feature, not a bug. Everything Obama and Bernanke have been doing is setting us up for a hyperinflation scenario.


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | January 7, 2013 10:14 am

    Rodan wrote:

    The Fed prints money to buy debt from itself. Neat how that works?

    wreck the dollar to make way for a new ‘secure’ (and totally traceable electronic ) global currency.

    everyone will want the new ‘globo’


  64. Guggi
    64 | January 7, 2013 10:15 am

    Rodan wrote:

    The Fed prints money to buy debt from itself. Neat how that works?

    Yep, crazy, isn’t it ?


  65. Guggi
    65 | January 7, 2013 10:16 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Thank you, this I was told but doesn’t make sense to me.


  66. 66 | January 7, 2013 10:17 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    New World Order Illuminati. But that’s just crazy talk! :wink:


  67. Guggi
    67 | January 7, 2013 10:17 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    It is just noise. It does allude to how they really want to get us out of debt, though. Hyperinflation. That that will devistate the middle class, make it practically non-existant, is seen as a feature, not a bug. Everything Obama and Bernanke have been doing is setting us up for a hyperinflation scenario.

    This was my assumption.


  68. 68 | January 7, 2013 10:17 am

    @ Guggi:

    It’s a scam.


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | January 7, 2013 10:18 am

    Guggi wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Thank you, this I was told but doesn’t make sense to me.

    fed controls the money the treasury prints the money but only if the fed lets it.

    this way the treasury can get around all these QE’s and such and just cut to the chase, print its own money without regards to debt ceilings or ‘permission, from the fed


  70. 70 | January 7, 2013 10:18 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    The mark of the Beast follows. It is a scary scenario.


  71. coldwarrior
    71 | January 7, 2013 10:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    New World Order Illuminati. But that’s just crazy talk!

    yep. crazy.

    /


  72. 72 | January 7, 2013 10:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    3rd World economics.


  73. 73 | January 7, 2013 10:21 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The mark of the Beast follows. It is a scary scenario.

    That’s just crazy talk!
    /////

    :wink:


  74. 74 | January 7, 2013 10:22 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yeah there’s no Globalist conspiracy!
    //////


  75. Da_Beerfreak
    75 | January 7, 2013 10:23 am

    Fact: It is easier to lie to someone than it is to convince someone that they are being lied to.

    The Progressives have refined lying to such a high degree that Truth no longer has any value to them. We will never reach their followers. They have been inoculated against Truth by the constant lies of the Progressives.


  76. coldwarrior
    76 | January 7, 2013 10:23 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The mark of the Beast follows. It is a scary scenario.

    we dont follow revelation too closely. it is mostly considered the ranting of john, who was a bit nutty. he hated rome/nero and those were the things he ranted against. its a fun read for sure.

    you dont need a ‘mark’ so much as a a credit card / bank card. we all have those already. the problem is that then all transactions are traced as there is no more physical currency. no more physical currency means either use the tracking system or barter. and barter is a terribly inefficient system.


  77. coldwarrior
    77 | January 7, 2013 10:24 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yeah there’s no Globalist conspiracy!
    //////

    not at all

    (agenda 21)


  78. 78 | January 7, 2013 10:26 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    he hated rome/nero and those were the things he ranted against.

    That’s one theory others have different interpretations. But no one really knows when the end comes. So Revelations can be interpreted to mean many things.


  79. 79 | January 7, 2013 10:27 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Just look at how Republicans and Democrats care more for Global interest than American interests. On foreign policy, they both are the same.


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | January 7, 2013 10:28 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The mark of the Beast follows. It is a scary scenario.

    now the real scary scenario is that i have to call the actual beast…the HR department! (to fix one of their mistakes)

    wish me luck!

    (this will only take 4.76 billion days to fix)

    bbl


  81. 81 | January 7, 2013 10:30 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Good luck! :P


  82. Da_Beerfreak
    82 | January 7, 2013 10:31 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    What is this rumor about the “1-Trillion-US$-coin” ?

    its a technical issue

    n case you’re not familiar with this idea: In general, the Treasury Department is not allowed to just print money if it feels like it. It must defer to the Federal Reserve’s control of the money supply. But there is an exception: Platinum coins may be struck with whatever specifications the Treasury secretary sees fit, including denomination.

    This law was intended to allow the production of commemorative coins for collectors. But it can also be used to create large-denomination coins that Treasury can deposit with the Fed to finance payment of the government’s bills, in lieu of issuing debt.

    In other words it’s little more than a very fancy I.O.U. to fool the Mushrooms.


  83. 83 | January 7, 2013 10:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    This is hysterical!

    Stronger Economy, Not Fed, Driving Stocks: Pro

    The U.S. stock market’s rally to five-year highs is not a “sugar-high” courtesy of the Federal Reserve, but a result of a strengthening American economy, market watchers told CNBC on Monday, after the S&P 500 index closed Friday at its highest level since Dec. 31, 2007.

    “This [rally] is a fundamentally driven advance in the stock market by growth in the economy,” said Wells Capital Management’s James Paulsen on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.”
    Richard Bernstein, CEO of Richard Bernstein Advisors, agreed. “The economy is not strong in the absolute sense, but it continues to improve and that’s why the stock market is up.” He added, “There’s very little to say that’s going to change.”

    Despite Friday’s surge, the S&P 500 is still about 6 percent away from its all-time closing high on Oct. 9, 2007. The Dow Industrial Average is about 5 percent from its record close on that same day.


  84. RIX
    84 | January 7, 2013 10:47 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    It is hard to do it without control of the media. You have to control where low information voters get what little information they bother to get. That would be people lik eJon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. We can’t control that. And that is the problem. The Left has a Dave@D_Cardenas15
    Obama is the biggest fucking liar in the world why the fuck did I vote for him
    4 Jan 13 ReplyRetweetFavorite machine out there that is selling their snake oil 24-7, and low information voters are very gullible. They believe what they are told. I don’t see how you break through that wall. They don’t want to be informed, they want to be entertained. They are willfully ignorant. It is hard to educate those who don’t want to be educated.
    It’s very hard to overcome the Media bias.
    People hear sound bites & base their decisions on them.


  85. RIX
    85 | January 7, 2013 10:48 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    Just look at how Republicans and Democrats care more for Global interest than American interests. On foreign policy, they both are the same.

    Lots of corruption with free money floating around.


  86. 86 | January 7, 2013 10:55 am

    @ Rodan:

    The Economy is so good that abotut 3.3 million people have been out of work for so long that the last time they even tried to look for work was over a year ago. Yeah, the economy is booming! Even the tech sector has been flat for the last five years. I have gotten only minimal raises in the last five years. That is one big reason I am at a new job, but I didn’t get a big increase to change jobs. Salaries are flat. I’m just glad to have a good, solid job and glad my wife is working. In the Obama Economy, you are thankful fo rthe job you have.


  87. 87 | January 7, 2013 11:08 am

    @ Rodan:

    You need to warn people when you intend to print something so spectacularly hilarious. I shot coffee through my nose, and it took me a good 15 minutes to clean off my screen!

    The only reason for the stock climb is the devaluation of our currency, which by the way is exactly the same as the gain in the S $ P 500 over the last 5 years. I wonder if that’s a coincidence?


  88. 88 | January 7, 2013 11:08 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yeah things are awesome! I spoke with several Obama voters who admit the economy sucks. They just think that this is the best we will get.


  89. coldwarrior
    89 | January 7, 2013 11:09 am

    @ Flyovercountry:

    its a good thing that every other cou try is ‘beggaring thy neighbor’ and doing devaluation or we would be so screwed.


  90. 90 | January 7, 2013 11:10 am

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You need to warn people when you intend to print something so spectacularly hilarious. I shot coffee through my nose, and it took me a good 15 minutes to clean off my screen!
    The only reason for the stock climb is the devaluation of our currency, which by the way is exactly the same as the gain in the S $ P 500 over the last 5 years. I wonder if that’s a coincidence?

    That’s exactly what I was thinking. It was so hilarious that I actually thought of doing it as a humor post!

    The only reason for the stock climb is the devaluation of our currency, which by the way is exactly the same as the gain in the S $ P 500 over the last 5 years. I wonder if that’s a coincidence?

    Yup, absolutely correct!


  91. 91 | January 7, 2013 11:10 am

    Here’s a fun fact for you. It takes one 2012 dollar to purchase what could be bought for 18 cents in 1970. The scourge of Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Jimmy Carter have been reborn in Barack Obama, yay!


  92. coldwarrior
    92 | January 7, 2013 11:13 am

    dummy.

    EDL leader jailed for being illegal immigrant after entering US on friend’s passport
    The leader of the English Defence League was today jailed for 10 months after admitting using someone else’s passport to unlawfully travel to the United States.


  93. 93 | January 7, 2013 11:45 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    If he was a Mohammedan Terrorits, though, they wouldn’t have jailed him. They are very selective about how they enforce immigration laws.


  94. eaglesoars
    94 | January 7, 2013 11:58 am

    Hello. Did anyone see the WSJ piece on the opinion pg of the WSJ today? (it’s behind a paywall -- can’t link). Steve Moore interviewed Boehner. Boehner told him Obama actually said to his face that there is no spending problem, the problem is that health care costs are too high. Ithink it just may be that Boehner has learned his lesson -- there is no negotiating with this guy. The headline in the Washington Times this morning is discussion about shutting down the gov’t.

    And McConnell said there will be gun control legislation before the fiscal stuff is taken care of -- altho he didn’t address the executive order scenario.


  95. 95 | January 7, 2013 12:00 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Did it as a headline last night.


  96. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | January 7, 2013 12:03 pm

    Life’s Full of Consequence…


  97. 97 | January 7, 2013 12:27 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And McConnell said there will be gun control legislation before the fiscal stuff is taken care of — altho he didn’t address the executive order scenario.

    McConnell said there wouldn’t be gun control legislation before th efiscal stuff was taken care of. He didn’t rule it out after the fiscal stuff is taken care of, but since we already know that they are going to cave on the fiscal stuff, what makes you think they won’t cave on gun control? Yeah, caving on gun control woudl destroy the Republican Party, but I don’t think Boehner gives a rat’s ass about that. The man’s a classicce beta male. He has no business in a leadership position of any kind. I don’t care if it was “his turn”. Thinking like that has us in a losing position.


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