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Essential VDH: The Progressive Neo-Feudal elite

by Rodan ( 102 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Economy, Progressives at January 9th, 2013 - 7:00 am

I have been writing about how the Progressive Movement is really about Neo-Feudalism for many years now. Their polices are turning America into a caste system. People who go to Ivy League schools get positions of power. They use class warfare for political benefits, yet they are very wealthy. It’s a hypocritical system that Victor Davis Hanson calls out.

Limousine liberal” is an old American term used against those who inherited lots of money and then became “traitors to their class” by embracing populist politics.

The Roosevelts and Kennedys enjoyed the high life quite apart from the multitude that they championed. And they were exempt, by virtue of their inherited riches and armies of accountants and attorneys, from the higher taxes they advocated for others. Few worried about how their original fortunes were made long ago, or that as lifelong government officials they had their needs met by the state. Most were relieved instead that as very rich people they wanted less rich people to pay their fair share to help the poor.

But the new liberal aristocracy is far less discreet than the old. Most are self-made multimillionaires who acquired their money through government service, finance, law, investment, or marriage. If the old-money liberals lived it up tastefully within their walled family compounds, the new liberal aristocrats are unashamed about living openly in a manner quite at odds with their professed populist ideology.

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During the 2008 financial meltdown, Goldman Sachs was a recipient of federal cash bailouts. Recently its CEO, Lloyd Blankfein, wrote an op-ed in which he said, “I believe that tax increases, especially for the wealthiest, are appropriate.” Why, then, would Goldman Sachs rush to pay out $65 million in restricted stock bonuses to its own corporate elite in time to beat the new higher tax rates that began on January 1, 2013?

[....]

To be cool is now not just to be rich, but to appear caring. Hollywood still seeks hundreds of millions in tax breaks unavailable to small businesses without shame because it is so manifestly compassionate. Occupy Wall Street does not camp out in Beverly Hills or Malibu, although the likes of Johnny Depp and Leonardo DiCaprio make more per year than do most Wall Street fat cats. The public wonders why Hollywood is so liberal — is it the Bohemian culture surrounding the arts? The natural creative temperament of actors? The Lotus-land surf and sun of the southern-California beach milieu? Perhaps. But penance plays a role as well. For the overpaid and pampered Hollywood movie star, calling for raising taxes, banning guns, ending global warming, and legalizing gay marriage means never having to feel too bad about living on the beach and making, under our capitalist system, more money in a month than do many Americans in a lifetime.

I, for the life of me, do not understand why the Republicans do not turn class warfare back at the Democrats. It’s a winning issue they can exploit to divide Democrat voters. The GOP should position itself as the party of the middle class, small susinesses and main street. They should tailor their economic policies to benefit their constituents and destroy the Neo-Feudal system. But the GOP has no imagination and is stubborn.

America is rapidly becoming a caste based feudal state. The Progressive Global Elites live good, while the rest of us struggle to get by. The economic Golden Era of America, 1945-2000, is rapidly becoming a memory. The opening is there for the Republicans to take advantage of Progressive hypocrisy. If they do not, then eventually a New Center-Right Party will emerge.

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  1. 1 | January 9, 2013 7:26 am

    The reason that the ultra-rich are Liberals is because they know that they will never have to suffer the consequences of their politics. If you made taxes sufficiently onerous to affect a Brad Pitt, they would be absolutely ruinous for the rest of the country, and he knows it. I don’ tthink they so much go with what they believe as with what popular media culture is. Take Al Gore. If he really believed his Global Warming Hoax snake-oil, he wouldn’t be flying around the world in private jets and living in multiple mansions. It is a vehicle for him to make inordinantly large sums of money, nothing more.


  2. 2 | January 9, 2013 8:25 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The reason that the ultra-rich are Liberals is because they know that they will never have to suffer the consequences of their politics. If you made taxes sufficiently onerous to affect a Brad Pitt, they would be absolutely ruinous for the rest of the country, and he knows it. I don’ tthink they so much go with what they believe as with what popular media culture is. Take Al Gore. If he really believed his Global Warming Hoax snake-oil, he wouldn’t be flying around the world in private jets and living in multiple mansions. It is a vehicle for him to make inordinantly large sums of money, nothing more.

    You nailed it. Plus they use Progressivism as a means of staying rich and allowing no competitors.


  3. 3 | January 9, 2013 8:27 am

    VDH being a historian sees through the Progressives.


  4. citizen_q
    4 | January 9, 2013 8:35 am

    Rodan wrote:

    You nailed it. Plus they use Progressivism as a means of staying rich and allowing no competitors.

    And happy speak, to keep support of the unthinking masses.

    I, for the life of me, do not understand why the Republicans do not turn class warfare back at the Democrats. It’s a winning issue they can exploit to divide Democrat voters.

    IMHO it is at least part because they are complicit and benefit. The demonrats need a weak opposition for a boogie-man to motivate and keep their base in line.


  5. 5 | January 9, 2013 8:41 am

    @ citizen_q:

    I am really convinced the Republican Party is just a straw-man for the Democrats. The GOP died when Reagan left office.


  6. citizen_q
    6 | January 9, 2013 8:58 am

    @ Rodan:
    I had some hope, during most of Romney’s Presidential campaign, but as I kept waiting for hard-hitting attacks on the obama administration’s many many failures and scandals, I thought he is smart should be getting the best advise, and maybe I was wrong about going for the jugular. What do I know? I am basically a working stiff whose expertise is far away from politics.

    In hindsight it did not seem like they wanted to win, and played to demographics that would likely not vote for obama anyway. This following on the disaster of the mccain campaign made we seriously wonder if they really wanted to win, and why not.

    Then there was that comment from Romney’s son about not wanting to be president.

    There is a lot that stinks, IMHO.


  7. 7 | January 9, 2013 9:05 am

    @ citizen_q:

    I totally believe it. Romney did act as if he didn’t care. He probably did want to be President, but figured hey I have a good gig to fall back on.

    Romney supported the Libya war and was calling to attack Syria. he could have used Libya against Obama and tied it to Benghazi. Instead he was calling for more nation building. That’s just one example.

    I don’t see how the GOP wins in 2016. The one advise I can give people is look after yourself. There will be no political savior coming anytime soon.


  8. 8 | January 9, 2013 9:08 am

    @ Rodan:

    You have to remember the Party Mandarins didn’t want Reagan, either. They wanted Bush. Reagan was forced on the Party by the much-derrided base. The Party Mandarins have been tryin gto regain control ever since Reagan. They have shown that they;’d rather be in control and lose than have the base in control and win. Romney’s defeat wasn’t a defeat of Conservatism. Romney wasn’t a conservative. Romney’s defeat was a defeat of Moderatism, and a victory for low information voter turnout efforts. We can move away from moderatism. That will help some. But winning the low information voters is not so easy. Point blank, women prefer free birth control to jobs (though the recession has hit men harder than women in general). We aren’t going to be able to out-bid the Left on Free Shit.


  9. citizen_q
    9 | January 9, 2013 9:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Romney supported the Libya war and was calling to attack Syria. he could have used Libya against Obama and tied it to Benghazi. Instead he was calling for more nation building. That’s just one example.

    GMTA, I was going to cite Romney’s tepid response to the attacks on him for his initial comments on Benghazi and the Cairo attacks by the obama admin, and the media which in reality is a semi-covert arm of the administration. As time wore on it was more and more obvious it was a disaster and a major and very pooly implemented cover-up by the obama admin. He should have hammered on that that, yet he avoided it.


  10. 10 | January 9, 2013 9:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    This is where we disagree. It was not free stuff why low info voters went Democrats. It’s the Democrats courted them and the GOP dismiss them. These voters went for the Dems out of revenge against the GOP whom they perceive hate them. Until Republicans understand this, they will never win another election.

    Enjoy the next decade of Democrat rule. Personally I’m taking care of myself and I advise that to everyone.


  11. 11 | January 9, 2013 9:22 am

    @ citizen_q:

    That’s because Romney supported the Libya war. He did not want to admit we helped al-Qaeda. The GOP really needs to cut out this Nation Building garbage. I know people who refuse to vote Republican because of this.


  12. 12 | January 9, 2013 9:26 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Romney also refused to recant on RomneyCare which was the model for ObamaCare. By doing that, Romney threw away his most potent weapon against Obama. That was a huge mistake, and one that we always knew Romney would make. Romney simply wasn’t aggressive enough. He was too much the Massachusettes Moderate.


  13. 13 | January 9, 2013 9:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    In retrospect no one could have beaten Obama. I do not see anyone who can beat Deval Patrick in 2016 either. Just prepare yourself and your family.

    I’m sure you already have done that! :wink:


  14. Da_Beerfreak
    14 | January 9, 2013 9:39 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    This is where we disagree. It was not free stuff why low info voters went Democrats. It’s the Democrats courted them and the GOP dismiss them. These voters went for the Dems out of revenge against the GOP whom they perceive hate them. Until Republicans understand this, they will never win another election.

    Enjoy the next decade of Democrat rule. Personally I’m taking care of myself and I advise that to everyone.

    Not just revenge, but a lot of fear and hate. The D’Rats have always been willing to whip the uninformed and misinformed into a rage to use against those who oppose what the D’Rats are supporting. Until the Gutless Old Party learns to fight just as dirty as the D’Rats they will always come in second.

    Supporting the Gutless Old Party is a dead end, it’s time for a third party.

    The usual posters here are sure to complain that starting a third party will only guarantee D’Rat control of government for the next 1,000 years. For them I ask one simple question, how is that any different from what is going to happen with the current GOPe in charge of the party??


  15. 15 | January 9, 2013 9:41 am

    Stopping by to wave hello all y’all. Off to the Court of Appeals in Sacramento today. Fun with Justices.


  16. 16 | January 9, 2013 9:43 am

    @ Rodan:

    I think we’ll see about 2016. Rubio will be a formidible opponent for whomever the Democrats nominate. It will, again, be a base election. If Romney proved nothing else, he proved that elections aren’t won in the middle. He won the squishy middle vote pretty solidly, and lost the election. Obama got out his base, most of whom have at best passing knowledge of the issues at hand. These people think that the government can’t run out of money because it can always print more. Rubio can motivate the base in ways that Romney couldn’t. It will also be interesting to see what the Hispanic vote does with a Rubio nomination. You keep saying that these people perceive the GOP as hating them. What will they do if one of them is on the ticket? I think free shit wins out, but Rubio may be more competitive in the hispanic vote than Romney was.


  17. citizen_q
    17 | January 9, 2013 9:46 am

    Rodan wrote:

    In retrospect no one could have beaten Obama.

    You are more astute than I, but knowing him as I do because I do not allow the MFM to feed me only their filtered, biased reporting, I would have voted for a wet paper bag over him.

    While he does have some chicago-thug politio crafiness, he is a made man on several fronts, not the least of which is an essentially fully dedicated propaganda arm we call the MFM.

    To know him is to despise him and the media was very good in making sure the vast majority of Americans did not know him in any substantive way.


  18. citizen_q
    18 | January 9, 2013 9:47 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Have fun!


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | January 9, 2013 9:47 am

    Class warfare does not work against Hollywood slobs, because they are slobs.

    The dream of “becoming a star”—i.e., becoming grotesquely overpaid as a reward for behaving like a slob in public—is the new American Dream, fostered by such TV shows as “American Idol.” People do not aspire to build a business, as was formerly the American dream; they do not believe they can take an idea and make a product and become a captain of industry. Climbing an existing ladder in a corporation or law firm is too much like work. Becoming a rich slob—whether from the hideous cacophony of popular music (which does not even require mastery of an instrument or voice training any more) or from merely pimping your goodies and your lack of morals, none of which requires any talent other than utter shamelessness, is the new ideal.

    Thus, attempting class warfare against the slob rich, who are celebrated on every side, will not work. The trailer parks and slums, the soft suburbs and the hipster enclaves, even the towns and neighborhoods which still contain ordinary working people, are filled with people whose dreams are basically built on winning the lottery, whether one of the many actual lotteries or the lottery of slob success.


  20. 20 | January 9, 2013 9:52 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Obama couldn’t have won without the media, but we know that any Democat will have the media in their corner. We have to find a way to break out of that box. I think it takes money, but Romney raised enough money. He just didn’t spend it wisely. He needed to be on the attack more. Defense never won anything in politics. Look at Obama’s campaign. He was hyper-aggressive. H lied through his teeth about Romney, and had Harry Reid lying abou thim besides. We didn’t have to lie. We just had to tell the truth about Obama, but Romney was unwilling to do that. Whether Romney wanted to be President or not is a moot point. He didn’t want it enough to do what it takes to win it. Like McCain, he tried to have a gentlemanly contest with a man who is nothing but a two-bit Chicago hood. He let Obama’s lies go unanswered for too long, and was not particularly aggressive in defending himself. Like Robert Bork, he thought the falseness of the accusation would defeat it. Like Robert Bork, he failed because of this.


  21. 21 | January 9, 2013 9:52 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Rubio can motivate the base in ways that Romney couldn’t.

    Am element of the base hates him and views him a Cuban/Latin invader. That’s enough to prevent his nomination. Plus the base alone is not big enough to win.

    Rubio’s problem is his foreign policy. Americans are tired of nation building and helping the same Islamic terrorists who attack us. That is Rubio’s Achilles heel. He would do better with Hispanics, but he will lose alot of White voters, so it will be a wash. I do not see him getting more than 48% of the popular vote and he probably only flips Florida and Colorado. Rubio’s foreign policy views make me leery. There’s a chance I will not vote for him because of it. I do not want anymore Americans dying for Muslims.


  22. 22 | January 9, 2013 9:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Obama couldn’t have won without the media, but we know that any Democat will have the media in their corner. We have to find a way to break out of that box. I think it takes money, but Romney raised enough money. He just didn’t spend it wisely. He needed to be on the attack more. Defense never won anything in politics. Look at Obama’s campaign. He was hyper-aggressive. H lied through his teeth about Romney, and had Harry Reid lying abou thim besides. We didn’t have to lie. We just had to tell the truth about Obama, but Romney was unwilling to do that. Whether Romney wanted to be President or not is a moot point. He didn’t want it enough to do what it takes to win it. Like McCain, he tried to have a gentlemanly contest with a man who is nothing but a two-bit Chicago hood. He let Obama’s lies go unanswered for too long, and was not particularly aggressive in defending himself. Like Robert Bork, he thought the falseness of the accusation would defeat it. Like Robert Bork, he failed because of this.

    I agree 100% with that.


  23. 23 | January 9, 2013 9:58 am

    @ Rodan:

    Not to mention we have a complete lunatic purist element playing over at sites like Freep and even on Twitter claiming Rubio isn’t “natural born” according to the Constitution. I smell more a prejudicial bigoted element in all this more worthy of Stormfront than anywhere else. I’ve had one distasteful woman on Twitter who claims “under the Constitution” and I continually ask her to point me to the definition. No reply so far. Because it doesn’t exist.


  24. mawskrat
    24 | January 9, 2013 10:00 am

    they are coming out of the wood work now

    Did Mossad death squads slaughter American children at Sandy Hook?

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/23/mossad-death-squads-slaughtered-american-children-at-sandy-hook/


  25. 25 | January 9, 2013 10:10 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Not to mention we have a complete lunatic purist element playing over at sites like Freep and even on Twitter claiming Rubio isn’t “natural born” according to the Constitution. I smell more a prejudicial bigoted element in all this more worthy of Stormfront than anywhere else. I’ve had one distasteful woman on Twitter who claims “under the Constitution” and I continually ask her to point me to the definition. No reply so far. Because it doesn’t exist.

    The Rubio is not natural born stuff is just nonsense.

    Where Rubio is really vulnerable is on foreign policy. He supported the Arab Spring, The Libya War and wants to get involved in Syria. He really needs to drop the nation building stuff if he wants to win a general election. I’m even leery about his views here.


  26. 26 | January 9, 2013 10:15 am

    @ mawskrat:

    Between Erik Loomis and this cretin, I imagine the Deans of Instruction at Universities are spending a lot of time talking to these idjits. Because you’d be amazed how fast alumni contributions can dry up when jerks like this get media attention.


  27. eaglesoars
    27 | January 9, 2013 10:15 am

    Did you guys catch this?

    RINO Republican Group To Remove “Republican” From Name…

    The Republican Main Street Partnership, a Washington-based group that has promoted moderate GOP lawmakers and policies, will remove the word “Republican” from its title and welcome center-right Democrats in 2013, Yahoo News has learned.

    The organization’s board of directors voted Tuesday morning to scrap party identification from its title and be known simply as “The Main Street Partnership.” The group’s new president, former Ohio Republican Rep. Steven LaTourette, told Yahoo News that he plans to begin conversations with Blue Dog Democrats and centrist groups in the coming months.

    Uh huh.


  28. 28 | January 9, 2013 10:16 am

    From the National Review site:

    Realism

    “The voters in Wisconsin managed to vote for a very, very conservative, fiscally responsible, fiscally conservative, governor–an anti-union governor, not just a flinty northeastern Republican, but an activist governor–and at the same time they managed to wrap their head around sending probably the most progressive senator in years to Washington, DC. They managed to do that and they did that without too much trouble. We as Republicans need to appeal to people who may be socially liberal but who are fiscally conservative. Because that’s the way to enlarge the party.”

    Sounds about right to me.


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | January 9, 2013 10:17 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RINO Republican Group To Remove “Republican” From Name…

    Well, that saves them the expense of having to re-design the red, white and blue Republican elephant logo to depict a rhinosceros.


  30. 30 | January 9, 2013 10:18 am

    @ Rodan:

    I think insofar as the Arab Spring goes, the initial reports were rather favorable. My interest would be how he views it now, in hindsight. I’d like to see him go on Mark Levin’s show and perhaps give an explanation for his positions on this, and what he sees as the ultimate goals if we are involved.


  31. 31 | January 9, 2013 10:19 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yep. They need training groups on how to handle those ridiculous “gotcha” social lib questions from the media. The morning session should be devoted to audible eye rolling.


  32. 32 | January 9, 2013 10:28 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I think insofar as the Arab Spring goes, the initial reports were rather favorable. My interest would be how he views it now, in hindsight. I’d like to see him go on Mark Levin’s show and perhaps give an explanation for his positions on this, and what he sees as the ultimate goals if we are involved.

    This blog was one of the few who exposed the Arab Spring. I knew it was nonsense. Conservatives need to stop thinking the Islamic world is like us. It’s not, they do not think nor desire what we we do. The sooner Conservatives get this the better we are.

    I’m not hopeful because the Saudis, Qataris and Muslim Brotherhood run the GOP’s foreign policy. Notice Republicans always want to help the Islamic side?

    As for Rubio, he used to be very anti-Jihad when he was speaker of the House in Florida. When he ran for Senate, he warned about the Islamic agenda and Jihad. Then as soon as he became Senator, he’s become another Islamic loving lackey. Rand Paul is the Republican I can vote for.

    It’s like I told Fist and Q, take care of yourself. The GOP will not save us.


  33. 33 | January 9, 2013 10:34 am

    @ MacDuff:

    You are preaching to the choir!


  34. eaglesoars
    34 | January 9, 2013 10:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I knew it was nonsense

    Or how I lost all respect for Bill Kristol -- who poo-pooed the doom mongers because they (we) were being riled up by the likes of -- wait for it -- Glenn Beck.

    Now he’s starting a new think tank to reshape Repbulican ‘fiscal policies’. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think he wanted Boehner to accept Obama’s ‘p;an’ lock, stock, and barrel.


  35. 35 | January 9, 2013 10:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    I like to think we’re cutting edge here, that’s for sure. But your point’s well taken and this is why I’d really like for Rubio to be interviewed by a true conservative foreign policy host like Levin to draw these answers out. I like Rand Paul as well, but he’s got the stigma of his daddy’s foreign policy crapola to deal with to the middle voters. He needs to get out there and articulate his positions with regard to this (not that the media will ever give our guys a fair forum).

    @ eaglesoars:

    Kristol seems to think his position at Weekly Standard makes him the voice of conservatism and nothing could be further from the truth.


  36. RIX
    36 | January 9, 2013 10:44 am

    @ Rodan:

    This blog was one of the few who exposed the Arab Spring. I knew it was nonsense. Conservatives need to stop thinking the Islamic world is like us. It’s not, they do not think nor desire what we we do. The sooner Conservatives get this the better we are.

    And that is why they draw the wrong conclusions, they start
    with false assumptions.
    If you are part of the Islamic Community & that is what you
    know, you will not think like a Westerner.
    You are likely to take the Koran as your blue print and
    that can’t be good.


  37. Da_Beerfreak
    37 | January 9, 2013 10:50 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    Who’s starting the think tank. Kristol or Beck??


  38. 38 | January 9, 2013 10:50 am

    @ RIX:

    Andrew McCarthy’s “The Grand Jihad” should be required reading of anyone with even the remotest influence on American foreign policy. It is quite brilliant and a complete eye opener.


  39. theoutsider
    39 | January 9, 2013 10:51 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    I just hope that Republicans follow Bill Kristol’s advice again. He’s always right. LOL.


  40. RIX
    40 | January 9, 2013 10:52 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Andrew McCarthy’s “The Grand Jihad” should be required reading of anyone with even the remotest influence on American foreign policy. It is quite brilliant and a complete eye opener.

    A big problem is that an honest analysis of Islam, including Jihad
    is considered hateful by the MSM & others.
    So pointing out hate is in itself hateful?


  41. eaglesoars
    41 | January 9, 2013 10:53 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Who’s starting the think tank. Kristol or Beck??

    Kristol

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Kristol seems to think his position at Weekly Standard makes him the voice of conservatism and nothing could be further from the truth.

    Also his ‘pedigree’. His father was Iriving Kristol, his mother is Gertruded Himmelfarb.


  42. citizen_q
    42 | January 9, 2013 10:53 am

    O/T Listening to Chris Plante

    He was talking about the newspaper that published the list of people with gun permits in NY.

    A woman wrote in complaining that now that they have published her name and address her stalker was able to track her down. Now the guy is calling her again after a period of 2 years. The reason that she has not heard from him for 2 years is that she had to take steps to disappear herself. She is now being harassed by this stalker again and in fear for her life because of their stunt.


  43. 43 | January 9, 2013 10:56 am

    @ RIX:

    There are times when “tolerance” does get in the way, doesn’t it? We’re being conditioned to bend over backwards to accommodate a religion and and group that would like nothing more than to kill us or convert us.


  44. buzzsawmonkey
    44 | January 9, 2013 10:56 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Now he’s starting a new think tank

    I bet it’s more like a think Jeep.


  45. 45 | January 9, 2013 10:56 am

    @ citizen_q:

    She should sue the paper for about $100 million. Journalism shouldn’t protect this. I think there was actual malice involved here. Not necessarily toward her specifically, but towards all gun owners. The reason they published that list was to cause trouble for gun owners. That is malice.


  46. 46 | January 9, 2013 10:58 am

    @ citizen_q:

    I imagine there is grounds for an excellent civil lawsuit here. Remember the couple that was forced to flee their home after Spike Lee published their address on Twitter (in clear violation of policy, by the way) as the address of George Zimmerman. I believe they threatened suit and Lee was in the process of negotiating a settlement with them.

    Same thing here. You have free speech, but you are NOT free from the consequences of same.


  47. 47 | January 9, 2013 10:58 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I think they are mostly on the “kill” side of that, too. You don’t see Muslims going door-to-door trying to convert the infidel the way you do Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses. If you convert, they might not kill you, but given the general tenor of the Muslim world, that isn’t a guarantee, either.


  48. RIX
    48 | January 9, 2013 10:59 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    There are times when “tolerance” does get in the way, doesn’t it? We’re being conditioned to bend over backwards to accommodate a religion and and group that would like nothing more than to kill us or convert us.

    Islam has a really disturbing resemblance to National Socialism.
    The same Libs that find a Nazi under every rock are apologists
    for the most extreme member of the RoP.


  49. 49 | January 9, 2013 11:00 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have a feeling these jurinalists are going to push another showdown in the Supreme Court -- they LOVE to hide behind New York Times v. Sullivan and Scalia has been itching for a case to redefine that “public figure” crap. To me, that decision smacks of denial of equal protection.


  50. 50 | January 9, 2013 11:01 am

    @ RIX:

    In addition, those that decry Christianity never seem to see that ISLAM is more repressive and heartless.


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | January 9, 2013 11:02 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I think there was actual malice involved here. Not necessarily toward her specifically, but towards all gun owners. The reason they published that list was to cause trouble for gun owners. That is malice.

    As I noted before, the paper published not only the names and addresses of current permit holders, but knowingly published the addresses associated with lapsed or expired permits. This indicated, falsely, that there was a gun present at an address where the gun owner may have died, sold the gun, or moved away—thereby placing at risk the current resident(s) at that address, were someone to decide to try and break in to steal a gun or were some unhinged anti-gun individual decide to act out against a neighbor.


  52. Da_Beerfreak
    52 | January 9, 2013 11:03 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    Thanks :grin:


  53. 53 | January 9, 2013 11:04 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, it would be nice for “journalists” to have to stand up for what they print/say. It is like the George Zimmerman case. How do you get away from the fact that these “journalists” had actual malice there, especially NBC where they edited his 911 call. That defines malice.


  54. RIX
    54 | January 9, 2013 11:04 am

    Matt Oberlin @MATT0BERLIN

    Bob Beckel telling Andrea Tantaros that she looks like she “could handle a hairy carrot” on Fox News live. #TFM @totalfratmove

    This actually happened on the Five yesterday.
    Beckel was slobbering his distaste for organic foods
    and held up organic carrots to make his point.
    When she defended organic foods, that’s when Beckel dove
    to the gutter.


  55. eaglesoars
    55 | January 9, 2013 11:04 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Scalia has been itching for a case to redefine that “public figure” crap

    Oh, god, I hope that’s true. May I ask what makes you think this?


  56. lobo91
    56 | January 9, 2013 11:05 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have a feeling these jurinalists are going to push another showdown in the Supreme Court — they LOVE to hide behind New York Times v. Sullivan and Scalia has been itching for a case to redefine that “public figure” crap. To me, that decision smacks of denial of equal protection.

    The really amusing part is that the journalists at that paper are now complaining because someone posted their information online, which has led to them receiving threats. The publisher actually said, “In America, journalists aren’t supposed to be threatened,” as if they have some sort of immunity.


  57. RIX
    57 | January 9, 2013 11:05 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:
    In addition, those that decry Christianity never seem to see that ISLAM is more repressive and heartless.

    Yeah, I have noticed that.
    The real threats are Christianity & violent Tea Party grannies.


  58. 58 | January 9, 2013 11:06 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    His son told me.


  59. citizen_q
    59 | January 9, 2013 11:07 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    ournalism shouldn’t protect this. I think there was actual malice involved here.

    Agreed, and a large amount arrogance and holier than thou self-righteousness.@ Carolina Girl:
    I remember that. I hope he pays through the nose. A very public, though I would be insincere apology should be part of the settlement.


  60. 60 | January 9, 2013 11:08 am

    @ citizen_q:

    On the heels of that, Rosanne “the Blob” Barr did the same thing, but this time it was the correct address. And NEITHER of their Twitter accounts were cancelled or suspended. Meanwhile, of course, #tcot members are being sent to the gulag on a regular basis for doing NOTHING.


  61. 61 | January 9, 2013 11:09 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Or how I lost all respect for Bill Kristol — who poo-pooed the doom mongers because they (we) were being riled up by the likes of — wait for it — Glenn Beck.

    Glenn beck was right!

    Now he’s starting a new think tank to reshape Repbulican ‘fiscal policies’. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think he wanted Boehner to accept Obama’s ‘p;an’ lock, stock, and barr

    el.

    Yeah, he’s a jokester. He has no credibility. I for the life of me do not get the GOP’s attachment to nation building. The Party used to be against that crap.


  62. 62 | January 9, 2013 11:10 am

    @ RIX:

    that’s when Beckel dove to the gutter.

    That’s where he dwells. He doesn’t have to dive.


  63. Da_Beerfreak
    63 | January 9, 2013 11:10 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, it would be nice for “journalists” to have to stand up for what they print/say. It is like the George Zimmerman case. How do you get away from the fact that these “journalists” had actual malice there, especially NBC where they edited his 911 call. That defines malice.

    We have become a Nation of ‘Favors’ and are no longer a Nation of Laws.


  64. The Osprey
    64 | January 9, 2013 11:11 am

    The public wonders why Hollywood is so liberal — is it the Bohemian culture surrounding the arts? The natural creative temperament of actors? The Lotus-land surf and sun of the southern-California beach milieu?

    That’s milyo, to you Chucky.


  65. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | January 9, 2013 11:12 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    BTW, per your request, there’s a fragment over at WZ in the “Gawker” thread.


  66. 66 | January 9, 2013 11:12 am

    @ The Osprey:

    He really has become “round boy” hasn’t he? Apparently, the “Cheetos/Mountain Dew diet” doesn’t result in considerable weight loss.


  67. 67 | January 9, 2013 11:14 am

    …and it sounds like from the horn in front of my house we’re off to the races. If there’s wireless available up in the Courthouse I’ll catch up with all y’all when we take a break.

    Rodan, Speranza, et al. -- you can email me on my home email -- I can get that on my iPhone.

    Smooches all -- later!


  68. RIX
    68 | January 9, 2013 11:14 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    that’s when Beckel dove to the gutter.
    That’s where he dwells. He doesn’t have to dive.

    The man is a slobbering , drooling bufoon.
    The amusing part is that he thinks that he’s cool.


  69. eaglesoars
    69 | January 9, 2013 11:15 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    His son told me.

    hoo-kay then!


  70. theoutsider
    70 | January 9, 2013 11:17 am

    @ Rodan:
    He is a joke, but he’s on every Sunday with Chris Wallace, and on almost every day with Brett Baier. He obviously has big influence in the Republican party.


  71. 71 | January 9, 2013 11:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    True story, my friend moved to Vegas in 96. Guess who knocked on his door? It was Prince who had become a Jehovah Witness!

    :lol:


  72. lobo91
    72 | January 9, 2013 11:22 am

    Dennis Kucinich is on with Jon Scott right now, talking about the debt.

    He insists that there’s no problem with Social Security’s solvency, and that Republicans are just “throwing that in there” to scare people.

    Getting that dumbass out of office was one of the few bright spots of last fall.


  73. buzzsawmonkey
    73 | January 9, 2013 11:24 am

    Rodan wrote:

    True story, my friend moved to Vegas in 96. Guess who knocked on his door? It was Prince who had become a Jehovah Witness!

    He should have enrolled in the Jehovah’s Witness Protection Program.


  74. The Osprey
    74 | January 9, 2013 11:24 am

    Hey Rodan, VDH is taking on the hipsters!

    The Hipster Facade


  75. 75 | January 9, 2013 11:24 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    He obviously has big influence in the Republican party.

    I agree, he’s intellectually dishonest. Shia Iran is bad, but their lackies in Iraq are good. Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan is bad, but they are good in Syria and Libya. Hamas is bad, but their parents organization the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is good. Hizb’Allah is bad in Lebanon, but they are good guys in Bosnia.

    Kristol should be ignored at this point. He has no credibility.


  76. lobo91
    76 | January 9, 2013 11:25 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Having to walk around in Vegas and go door-to-door has to fall under the category of “cruel and unusual punishment.”


  77. 77 | January 9, 2013 11:26 am

    @ The Osprey:

    Thanks for that! The Hispter movement as a political movement is dangerous.


  78. Da_Beerfreak
    78 | January 9, 2013 11:26 am

    @ lobo91:
    A definite benefit for the whole Country. :mrgreen:


  79. 79 | January 9, 2013 11:26 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Having to walk around in Vegas and go door-to-door has to fall under the category of “cruel and unusual punishment.”

    My friend was stunned! He wanted Prince’s autograph, but Prince said he was spreading the message of God.


  80. 80 | January 9, 2013 11:27 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It’s one of the funniest things I ever heard.


  81. lobo91
    81 | January 9, 2013 11:29 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    A definite benefit for the whole Country.

    I wonder how seniors are going to like getting an IOU in the mail instead of a check?

    Maybe we could send them Obamaphones…


  82. eaglesoars
    82 | January 9, 2013 11:33 am

    This is a PSA from eaglesoars

    GET YER FREAKIN’ FLU SHOT!!

    The Massachusetts Department of Public Health is reporting that 18 Bay Staters have died from the flu so far this season.
    At least four of these people were from Boston, the Boston Public Health Commission’s Nick Martin told the Herald.

    “We’re seeing a significant increase in sickness and severity,” Martin said.


  83. 83 | January 9, 2013 11:34 am

    New thread.


  84. 84 | January 9, 2013 11:35 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Ban the Flu!!!!!!!!!!
    ///


  85. 85 | January 9, 2013 11:36 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I got my flu shot in August. With all the damage that has been done to my lungs, I have to be very careful. I’ve had the pneumonia vaccine as well, but that didn’t stop me from getting it in May. Fun, fun. The last thing in the world that I need is a bout with the flu.


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | January 9, 2013 11:38 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    This is a PSA from eaglesoars

    GET YER FREAKIN’ FLU SHOT!!

    I’m not worried. I live in a flu-free zone.


  87. eaglesoars
    87 | January 9, 2013 11:41 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I got my flu shot in August

    got mine yesterday -- I finally realized how bad this one is (high mortality rate). The first place I went to, our local Rite Aid -- was OUT. I finally got one at Safeway. For some idiotic reason, my insurance doesn’t cover it -- but it was only $30, so no biggie.


  88. eaglesoars
    88 | January 9, 2013 11:46 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’m not worried. I live in a flu-free zone.

    According to this CDC map, that is unlikely


  89. lobo91
    89 | January 9, 2013 11:50 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’m not worried. I live in a flu-free zone.

    According to this CDC map, that is unlikely

    All you have to do is put up a sign.


  90. Buffalobob
    90 | January 9, 2013 11:54 am

    I was just about to post a brilliant screed of 300+ words. However I’m using my newly purchased laptop with Win 8. For some reason I must have touched or swiped something I wasn’t aware that I was touching or swiping. Anyway it vaporized and I am going to breakfast. What can I expect from a group that calls their sub operations “charms”.


  91. lobo91
    91 | January 9, 2013 12:00 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    I was just about to post a brilliant screed of 300+ words. However I’m using my newly purchased laptop with Win 8. For some reason I must have touched or swiped something I wasn’t aware that I was touching or swiping. Anyway it vaporized and I am going to breakfast. What can I expect from a group that calls their sub operations “charms”.

    I just bought a new laptop about a month ago when the HD crashed in my old one.

    I made certain that the one I bought came with Windows 7.


  92. unclassifiable
    92 | January 9, 2013 1:56 pm

    My observation is that folks invent or innovate something; try to grow it; have success; then turn it over because they can’t stand running a business. The person they usually turn it over to is someone who “can take it to the next level” (ran a company before), is Ivy League educated, and has not had nor will have any interest in the quality or performance of the original product or service.

    I am thinking somewhere in this narrative is the root of our issues.


  93. Buckeye Abroad
    93 | January 9, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    The person they usually turn it over to is someone who “can take it to the next level” (ran a company before), is Ivy League educated, and has not had nor will have any interest in the quality or performance of the original product or service.

    Thats how its done. I was brought on board in 2011 to help a private company go public after it was bought from the founders. We launched beginning of 2012, share price was not what they hoped. Depsite growing the company 20% in revenues and maintaining a decent profitability, they sacked us all right before Christmas. Share price jumped $2-3. The shareholders want a return on their investment and that has to be driven through growth or cost measures.

    OT: The flu has me down for 2 weeks over the holidays. Never had anything like it.


  94. Buffalobob
    94 | January 9, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ lobo91: You are absolutely correct. I’m an ancient. I used 5.25 floppies, even go back farther to 10″. Used dos, win 3.0, win 95, win nt, win 98, win vista, win 7. Where I should have stopped, but noooo I’m not resistant to change, so on to win 8 (not a touch screen 8 but a touch pad win 8. so I’ll be on a steep learning curve. I’m use to banging on the keyboard (old school mechanical typewriter) technique. Win 8 doesn’t like to be overly aggressively touched.


  95. unclassifiable
    95 | January 9, 2013 2:52 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    So…

    You are here and read VDH’s critique. Prehaps you could speak to why a CEO of a company built in a capatalist system would support the destruction of that system (or more accurately it’s replacement with a statist comand & control economy).

    I am asking because of the folks you may have been involved with — not your personal beliefs.


  96. unclassifiable
    96 | January 9, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    OT: The flu has me down for 2 weeks over the holidays. Never had anything like it.

    Did you have a flu shot?


  97. darkwords
    97 | January 9, 2013 5:46 pm

    @ 22 Rodan: hindsight says both McCain and Romney were tepid candidates at best. foresight says any future winner has to officially embrace alinsky tactics and use them better than the opponent. that is what persuades the low info voter. To have a moral hesitation about alinksky tactics is to not understand them or even ones own political self. any voter that fails to get on board with alinsky tactics will find their political voice becoming extinct. In a short time.


  98. Speranza
    98 | January 9, 2013 6:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    You have to remember the Party Mandarins didn’t want Reagan, either. They wanted Bush. Reagan was forced on the Party by the much-derrided base.

    Yes but this is not the same country as it was in 1980.


  99. Speranza
    99 | January 9, 2013 6:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    But winning the low information voters is not so easy.

    We must try, I think that at least 50% of the voters are low information voters and their vote counts just as much as ours.


  100. Speranza
    100 | January 9, 2013 6:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Romney also refused to recant on RomneyCare which was the model for ObamaCare. By doing that, Romney threw away his most potent weapon against Obama.

    That I agree with you on.


  101. 101 | January 9, 2013 6:56 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    OT: The flu has me down for 2 weeks over the holidays. Never had anything like it.
    Did you have a flu shot?

    I got the flu shot.

    I also got influenza B (tested at the doc).

    Doc said that wasn’t in the shot.


  102. unclassifiable
    102 | January 9, 2013 7:06 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    That’s what I heard.

    Thanks for the info.


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