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RGIII had total reconstructive surgery on his knee

by Rodan ( 182 Comments › )
Filed under NFL, Open thread, Sports at January 9th, 2013 - 7:14 pm

In the playoff game against the Seattle Seahwaks, Robert Griffin III hurt his knee. Despite that, he kept on playing in the game. Many sports analysts and fans felt he  should have been taken out of the game. It was obvious he was in pain and was no longer playing with the same mobility. Well it turns out, he had a very nasty injury. It was so bad, he had to have reconstructive surgery on his right knee.

RGIII put his new career at risk. Although I applaud his bravery, he really should have sat it out. Making the playoffs your rookie year is a great feat. But risking your long term career, is not good. I wish him full recovery.

On a positive note, ESPN has fired Rob Parker by not renewing his contract.


Rob Parker, the commentator who created controversy when he questioned whether Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III is a “cornball brother” because he has a white fiancee, has been fired by ESPN.

“Rob Parker’s contract expired at year end. Evaluating our needs and his work, including his recent RGIII comments, we decided not to renew,” an ESPN spokesman said in a written statement.

ESPN can spin this as simply a decision not to renew his contract, rather than a firing, but the reality is that ESPN specifically stated on December 20 that Parker had been suspended for 30 days, and as of December 20, ESPN was expecting Parker back at the end of his 30-day suspension. (He made the comments on December 13, so a 30-day suspension from that date would have ended on January 12.)

Rob Parker will probably get a gig at MSNBC or NBC sports.

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182 Responses to “RGIII had total reconstructive surgery on his knee”
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  1. 1 | January 9, 2013 7:17 pm

    Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant!


  2. 2 | January 9, 2013 7:21 pm

    Rodan -- what surgery did Peterson have last year? Same type?


  3. heysoos
    3 | January 9, 2013 7:21 pm

    Ronnie Lott bit off his dislocated foot and kept playing…they don’t make em like that anymore


  4. heysoos
    4 | January 9, 2013 7:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Rodan — what surgery did Peterson have last year? Same type?

    he had a redo, both ACL and MCL…epic comeback


  5. 5 | January 9, 2013 7:24 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yes, I think he did.


  6. 6 | January 9, 2013 7:24 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yup, that’s really something rough.


  7. unclassifiable
    7 | January 9, 2013 7:25 pm

    RGIII

    1) Has white fiancee
    2) Publicly professed Christianity as his faith
    3) Publically professed that he is racially indifferent

    Yes that is three strikes at the liberal plate so of course there is a huge amount of hate for him.


  8. heysoos
    8 | January 9, 2013 7:25 pm

    @ Rodan:
    unbelievable comeback…that is one tough hombre


  9. buzzsawmonkey
    9 | January 9, 2013 7:27 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Hey, CG—comment to you towards the bottom of the last thread.


  10. eaglesoars
    10 | January 9, 2013 7:29 pm

    Rob Parker, the commentator who created controversy when he questioned whether Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III is a “cornball brother” because he has a white fiancee
    what does ‘cornball brother’ mean and what does it have to do with a white fiance?

    (gah, I’m SO caucasian…)


  11. 11 | January 9, 2013 7:33 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    what does ‘cornball brother’ mean

    It means he’s not authentically Black aka Ghetto thug. In other words, he’s decent guy.


  12. 12 | January 9, 2013 7:34 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    unbelievable comeback…that is one tough hombre

    Yeah he’s in the running for MVP this year.


  13. 13 | January 9, 2013 7:34 pm

    I think Washington’s coach bears some responsibility here. The kid’s a real trooper, but the coach should have been the voice of reason and pulled him; knee injuries can end careers. I really hope the kid will be OK, he’s such a beneath of fresh air.


  14. 14 | January 9, 2013 7:34 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Notice when that came out, the media turned on him. How dare he leave the plantation!


  15. unclassifiable
    15 | January 9, 2013 7:34 pm

    The thing is that a coach should never base playing a person on what they say for their fitness level. Most professional football players are very tough and have very high thresholds of pain. By the end of the season almost everyone is playing with some type of injury.

    I’m not sure Cousins starting would have given the Redskins a better chance of beating Seattle (which has a very salty defensive unit).


  16. heysoos
    16 | January 9, 2013 7:35 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Rob Parker, the commentator who created controversy when he questioned whether Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III is a “cornball brother” because he has a white fiancee
    what does ‘cornball brother’ mean and what does it have to do with a white fiance?
    (gah, I’m SO caucasian…)

    not to worry…I’m sure you have a little bit of Frederick Douglas in you….maybe Louis Armstrong


  17. 17 | January 9, 2013 7:35 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I think Washington’s coach bears some responsibility here. The kid’s a real trooper, but the coach should have been the voice of reason and pulled him; knee injuries can end careers. I really hope the kid will be OK, he’s such a beneath of fresh air.

    I agree, this is on Shanahan as well. I should have included in my post.


  18. 18 | January 9, 2013 7:35 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    racially indifferent

    I like that phrase -- we need more “racial indifference” in this country!


  19. 19 | January 9, 2013 7:38 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    not to worry…I’m sure you have a little bit of Frederick Douglas in you….maybe Louis Armstrong

    Hell, I’d love to have a little Sachmo in me but, alas, I’m so white I could be used as a night light.


  20. unclassifiable
    20 | January 9, 2013 7:38 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    You know what.

    Football is not his life.

    He really is a great kid and he’ll be fine no matter what happens.


  21. eaglesoars
    21 | January 9, 2013 7:39 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    The thing is that a coach should never base playing a person on what they say for their fitness level

    My understanding is that he basically lied to the trainer and the coach followed the trainer’s lead. Also, that the field wasn’t in the best condition.


  22. 22 | January 9, 2013 7:39 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    He’s pretty sharp.


  23. heysoos
    23 | January 9, 2013 7:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:
    He’s pretty sharp.

    on top of his superb physique, talent and high skill level….he is extremely smart…he walked into the NFL and everything was in slow motion for him….the speed of the game alone takes a couple of seasons to get used to….he was unfazed, a dream come true


  24. 24 | January 9, 2013 7:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I agree, this is on Shanahan as well. I should have included in my post.

    Yeah, even aside from the “human concern” factor, RGIII is a terribly valuable asset -- you wouldn’t run a thoroughbred in that condition.


  25. 25 | January 9, 2013 7:49 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    You know what.

    Football is not his life.

    He really is a great kid and he’ll be fine no matter what happens.

    No, it’s not life, but playing in the NFL is a dream he’s been working toward for a good part of his life. Because he’s a great kid, I’d hate to see it end after his rookie year.


  26. 26 | January 9, 2013 7:50 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    He’s a huge marketing asset. If he plays his cards right, he can become a cultural icon


  27. unclassifiable
    27 | January 9, 2013 7:53 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    He basically did what about 1/2 the starters do when the playoffs come.

    Was it right? It’s pretty appearant it wasn’t.

    But do I heap scorn on him?

    Nope.

    I point you at Ben Rothlesberger as someone who probably should have been shut down this season. Ray Lewis probably should not have played but you know, its Ray Rays last hurrah. J.J. Watt has been playing all year with a monster arm brace.

    That’s a bit of the cream of the crop and the kid is just trying to be great.


  28. 28 | January 9, 2013 7:54 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Making the playoffs in his rookie season was a huge feat.


  29. 29 | January 9, 2013 7:55 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Any college player who wants to play Safety in the NFL needs to watch film of Ronnie Lott. THAT’s how you play Safety. Ronnie said “I follow the ball. Sure there’s sometimes a player or two in my way, but I always follow the ball.”


  30. 30 | January 9, 2013 7:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    He’s a huge marketing asset. If he plays his cards right, he can become a cultural icon

    Absolutely. He’s not going to make me a Redskin fan, but I’ll sure as hell pull for whatever team he’s playing for (as long as they’re not playing the Saints) ;)

    Seriously though, yeas, he could well become a cultural that is actually good for the culture. That’d be pretty rare.


  31. 31 | January 9, 2013 7:58 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Excellent point Buzz -- I lived it here in real time. Do they think as a conservative I hurt less when my friends were dying?


  32. Aussie Infidel
    32 | January 9, 2013 7:58 pm

    May I comment on gun controls?


  33. 33 | January 9, 2013 7:59 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Seriously though, yeas, he could well become a cultural that is actually good for the culture.

    Exactly! Hopefully he learns from this.


  34. 34 | January 9, 2013 7:59 pm

    @ Rodan:

    And (OHNONONONO!) there’s even speculation that he voted for (GASP!!!) Romney!

    The biggest fear these ghetto poverty pimps have about RGIII is that he is going to show a whole new generation of black kids that not being liberal and thinking for yourself is cool.


  35. heysoos
    35 | January 9, 2013 7:59 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Any college player who wants to play Safety in the NFL needs to watch film of Ronnie Lott. THAT’s how you play Safety. Ronnie said “I follow the ball. Sure there’s sometimes a player or two in my way, but I always follow the ball.”

    not only that, he played both safety and both corner postions…a real stud, that gut


  36. Aussie Infidel
    36 | January 9, 2013 8:00 pm

    I do agree with you that the current situation in regard to the illicit gun crime such as it is in the US is tragic. There are two quite separate legal entities at work here that reflect the complexity that is the US culture of the gun. The first is the Federal and Constitutional guarantees under the Second Amendment. The second legal entity is the individual States and the State legislation pertaining to the control and regulation of gun ownership. Legally Federal law has precedence over State law but only in the broadest sense. The Federal legal points have already been covered but not so the individual States and their legal controls on gun ownership. State law especially that pertaining to local gun control is a direct outgrowth of guarantees enunciated in the Constitutional Amendments, but reflecting local culture and attitudes. The old saw that if legal gun ownership was forbidden that only the lawless would possess guns, has a germ of truth within it. Actually two germs of truth. The first obvious comment is that in those less populous States that are based on an agrarian economy, gun ownership works reasonably well. The case of gun ownership, in urban based highly populous States, especially in the North East and Great Lakes States, is obvious a problem but I will address that later. The second germ of truth contained in that old saw is that many conservatives in agrarian ‘fly-over’ States consider a massive all powerful Federal government to be the much quoted ‘domestic enemy’ of the people. They rightly or wrongly hold the view that individual gun ownership is the ultimate guarantee against a Federal government turning dictatorial. This Civil War scenario has gained much traction over the past 40 years with the rise of Progressive movements and their call for more centralized power and control of populations.

    Like the current fiscal nemesis, stalking the US economy, it is not a taxation problem, though the US taxation system really needs a good clean out, but a spending problem. Similarly the US ‘gun butchery’ problem is not about the guns and the rules per se but a mental health and cultural problem. To say that since the Progressive outbreak of the 1960s the US has lost its mores and principles and has become more corrupted and libertine. At the same time the mental health system collapsed under the weight of new politically correct inclusiveness mandates that thrust mentally ill people back out into the community and away from a treatment environment. There are many drivers for what happened in the 1960s and 70s but the breakdown in the family stands above all else. The Progressives viewed the family as an impediment between the State and the individual. The Statists of the left see the individual as the basic building block in society. The Conservatives saw the family as the basic unit of society as they viewed a single individual as vulnerable to the power of the State. Family and extended family networks can support members to stand up to Statist power much more that any individual could. We see the results of the imbalance between Statist power and individuals in the products of the Statist education system. Selfish narcissi, who have an overwhelming sense of entitlement that is not ameliorated by family mores and values, based on family and community power and expectations. These anti-social denizens of Statist education have been deluded by their education to believe that they are ‘special’, in a materialist sense when they obviously are not. This cognitive dissonance between what they have been told in school and what happens in the real world gives rise to bitterness, anger and violence, that are explicit in the alcohol, drugs and narcissism that infects society. Heap on that rotting cultural ‘pile’, a new information technology that allows easy and 24/7 access to corrupting material bereft of any familial /community moderation or sanction and you have a feral population of low information easy manipulated isolated individuals with zero power compared to an overwhelming Statist power structure. Mix in a dose of reasonably free access to firearms and you have an explosive mix. Urban environments especially are breeding grounds for this social isolation of individuals, within the power structures of an increasingly powerful State.

    It is an interesting perspective that this new technology that allows the easy corruption of the individual also allows the State to grab unheard of power. Imagine NAZI Germany or Stalin’s Russia or Mao’s China with the coercive power of the web overlaying society. As the power of the State over its citizens grows through the use of this technology, that same technology corrupts the increasingly powerless isolated individual and forces his compliance to the dictates of the State. WE end up with a form of Fascist Progressivism, with an all powerful and increasingly remote elite and a ‘lumpen mass’ of isolated, semi educated individuals, angry, corrupted, selfish and prone to the manipulations of the State. Democracy, expressed as the power of the (manipulated) mob, is especially vulnerable but Republican government is not far behind, especially when there arises a professional political class that is there to main power and not necessarily reflect the wishes of the represented. Given the first hand pronouncements about mandatory population ‘controls’ by the elite political class, the fears of individuals may have some basis in fact. A quick overview of Progressive writings over the past century and a bit, from the late 19th Century German philosophers, Woodrow Wilson, Roosevelt, Sanger and the myriad of actual examples of unbridled Statist power, in Progressive States such as the USSR, Communist China, NAZI Germany and Pol Pot’s Cambodia should give all cause for concern. Even watered down examples such as Fascist Italy and Lee’s Singapore, where the trains all run on time, but the people are suppressed and controlled by a power Statist administration, is still a ‘bridge too far’ when it comes to the balance of power between the State and the electorate.

    The heady mix of Statist power, crowded and degenerate urban landscapes, populations of isolated semi-educated individuals, hedonistic lifestyles fuelled by IT and media, economic hopelessness, drugs and insanity and illicit access to guns, without the modifying power of family bonds, community support, and access to support structures that require meeting societal norms begs the question of why there is not more gun slaughter. Looking at the statistics the rate of illicit gun violence is actually dropping in most places across the US. Those States where gun violence is dropping fastest are actually those with the most legally owned guns. That is a false premise however. It’s not the number of guns that makes these societies stand out as reducing the instance of violence, it’s the accompanying societal conditions that also crop up in those States.

    There are examples aplenty of the symptoms of societal degeneration, especially in the Progressive regions of the US North West and Great Lakes States where gun violence is a way of life. Accompanying this wave of killing in places like Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and Philadelphia are examples of the bitter harvest of Progressivism. Single parent homes. Social isolation. Up to 80% out of wedlock birth amongst minorities most vulnerable to Statist power. Drugs addiction and attendant gangsterism. A mental health tsunami. The growth of gang culture to replace family and community support amongst isolated individuals, Poor and failing education standards. A corrupt and corrupting media and attendant IT industry. The rise and rise of Statism and isolated big Government.

    In this moral sewer, bereft of principles and mores, other than the ‘red tooth and claw’ law of the urban jungle’, it is a wonder that society has not totally broken down already. As the rule of the mental defective with an automatic rifle, looking for his 15 minutes of fame, before he commits suicide by cop or by his own hand, to release himself from his degrading and degenerate life, is played out every day in the US we should ponder another scenario. That of the rich Progressive , socially aware, community organized enclave. In this place the rotting underbelly of drugs, alcohol and moral sleaze exists but it is swept under the carpet. These denizens of gated communities with their hired armed guards (excuse the hypocrisy here) where gun ownership is publically disavowed but privately adopted (because we as an elite class are ‘special’ and entitled), yet the same rot is evident in the hypocritical stands on issues that they are wont to comment on but not to adopt. Whole communities like this exist in the leafy North East States of the US and in California, Washington State and urban Colorado. The obvious commonality is that they are all Progressive and all wax lyrical about gun ownership but ignore the drivers of true gun slaughter. These arte also the communities of entitles children isolated from family. Of the highest rates of divorce, social isolation, drug use and mental health issues. Into this libertine mix there is a strong political mantra that runs counter to general gun ownership, though privately and hypocritically some do in fact own guns. These socially disarmed communities, replete with mentally ill and morally corrupted individuals, are prime targets for mased gun slaughter. There communities with their ‘buttoned down progressive attributes’ are totally vulnerable to the mentally ill armed and dangerous looking to exorcise his demons in a bloodbath of killing. These communities are also believers that the State can protect them from the dark underbelly of their community. The State can’t, and we see this played out time and again where the slaughter is complete before the organs of the State have time to react.

    The particular conditions of gun ownership within the US are reasonably rare globally in the other western democracies. The US is what it is because of how it came into being and as a consequence of its founding law and the conditions that were in play at that time. As technology and State power has evolved so have the controls, State by State, on forearms under the guarantees of the Second Amendment. The fact that technology, the growth of Progressive Statism and a period of libertine degeneracy within society, and economic crisis, have come together to be the ‘perfect storm’ of gun initiated violence and social breakdown. Arming guards at schools is a ‘band aid’ quick fix treatment of symptoms and not the underlying problem, for what is a deep societal dilemma of societal disintegration, that has little to do with whether people need to register guns or not.


  37. 37 | January 9, 2013 8:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I was never a big fan of Shanahan -- something about him always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s nothing I can put my finger on or anything.


  38. 38 | January 9, 2013 8:01 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    May I comment on gun controls?

    Absolutely and good day to you!


  39. eaglesoars
    39 | January 9, 2013 8:01 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    I point you at Ben Rothlesberger as someone who probably should have been shut down this season

    I agree. And I’m a Stillers fan by birth.

    Well, we have our first Darwin Award of the year.

    Chilean man high on drugs dies after attempting acrobatics on top of power electricity pylon

    Neighbours said that it wasn’t the first time the man had performed dangerous acrobatics on pylons in the area after becoming high on drugs.

    But this time his legs touched one of the cables, killing him instantly and causing an explosion which set fire to two nearby houses.

    And yes, there are pics.


  40. huckfunn
    40 | January 9, 2013 8:02 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    May I comment on gun controls?

    By all means. However… House rules. Clear your weapon weapon before you take a seat at the bar.


  41. heysoos
    41 | January 9, 2013 8:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I was never a big fan of Shanahan — something about him always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s nothing I can put my finger on or anything.

    agreed, for one thing he’s no fun….I like a lively, animated, funny coach, like Mooch was or Hank Stramm….those kinda guys


  42. eaglesoars
    42 | January 9, 2013 8:06 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Imagine NAZI Germany or Stalin’s Russia or Mao’s China with the coercive power of the web overlaying society

    Actually, I don’t think there is enough appreciation of the role radio played in Nazi Germany. Goebbels made sure EVERY household had one. It was an enormous propaganda tool. People were in thrall to the Fuhrer’s voice. It was magic.


  43. Aussie Infidel
    43 | January 9, 2013 8:06 pm

    A couple of typos in there but you get the drift! :)


  44. Aussie Infidel
    44 | January 9, 2013 8:09 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    And guess where Goebbels got the media savvy to run the NAZI propaganda machine. He took a carbon copy out of the US media playbook that was in play over the last 14 months of WWI. A playbook that kept US qualms about involvement in WWI in Europe totally under control.


  45. waldensianspirit
    45 | January 9, 2013 8:10 pm

    Gee! Just got around to listening to Cuomo, your 2016 POTUS; he sounds like he should be pal’ing around with Alex Jones!


  46. eaglesoars
    46 | January 9, 2013 8:12 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    He took a carbon copy out of the US media playbook that was in play over the last 14 months of WWI

    I did not know that! See, that’s why I come here……gawd knows it ain’t the beer.


  47. Aussie Infidel
    47 | January 9, 2013 8:14 pm

    @ Rodan:
    G’day Rodan..

    This was a cut and paste on a piece I wrote in draft as a response to a professor who is arguing from an opposite perspective. The guy is a bit of a worry. He’s a former SAS Sword troop commander, got a double doctorate (microbiology and zoology) is married to a Chinese lady and holds a university chair in Hong Kong. He’s taken a strong liking to communist China of late. Some of his recent contributions to our talking group have been a little bizarre.


  48. Aussie Infidel
    48 | January 9, 2013 8:18 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    He took a carbon copy out of the US media playbook that was in play over the last 14 months of WWI

    I did not know that! See, that’s why I come here……gawd knows it ain’t the beer.

    Hehehe. Here have a pint of Speights , like those good Southern Men of the NZ Alps. :)

    Actually not only did the NAZIs copy the PR genius of the US but they took serious notice of the US based leftist eugenics movement when considering the Final Solution.


  49. eaglesoars
    49 | January 9, 2013 8:19 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    is married to a Chinese lady == He’s taken a strong liking to communist China of late

    ahem


  50. eaglesoars
    50 | January 9, 2013 8:21 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    the US based leftist eugenics movement when considering the Final Solution.

    That little tidbit I was aware of. It’s one of the (many) reasons Ann Coutler pissed me off -- she wrote about the eugenics movement and then quipped she’d ‘rather hear it in the original German’

    sheesh


  51. Aussie Infidel
    51 | January 9, 2013 8:23 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    No .. not that way.

    They have been married for 28 years and their son has just been awarded his PHd in agriculture from Lincoln University in the South Island of NZ.

    It isn’t the sex. Maybe it’s something he ate that made him go all strange! :)


  52. Aussie Infidel
    52 | January 9, 2013 8:27 pm

    Hey no wonder I’m hungry. It’s almost 1430 here. Tennis is on the sun is shining and the beer is cold. What more could a man want?

    Before I depart some poetry:-


  53. Aussie Infidel
    53 | January 9, 2013 8:29 pm

    Extremely touching and thought provoking!!

    I found this beautiful Aussie Summer poem and thought it might be a comfort to you. It was to me and it’s so very well written, I hope you enjoy it because it’s the best piece of literature I’ve seen in quite a while …

    ‘An Aussie Summer’

    a poem by Abigail Elizabeth McIntyre

    Fuck, it’s HOT!


  54. eaglesoars
    54 | January 9, 2013 8:34 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    No .. not that way.

    They have been married for 28 years and their son has just been awarded his PHd in agriculture from Lincoln University in the South Island of NZ.

    It isn’t the sex. Maybe it’s something he ate that made him go all strange!

    well, then……..???

    Jamie Rosen on O’Reilly said that congress critters are telling him John Brennan is so arrogant he makes Obama look humble.


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    55 | January 9, 2013 8:36 pm

    New Buzz Ballad: The New Dictatorship.

    Comments @ PJM avidly solicited.


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | January 9, 2013 8:40 pm

    nfl chews up running quarterbacks.

    every one of them ends up battered and injured and their career shortened.


  57. Speranza
    57 | January 9, 2013 8:55 pm

    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.


  58. 58 | January 9, 2013 9:00 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    He’s taken a strong liking to communist China of late.

    Many on the Left and in the Globalist Right love China. They love a system where the government can mold society to it’s will.


  59. livefreeor die
    59 | January 9, 2013 9:10 pm

    We’re Skins’ season ticket holders and I can’t fully put into words what this kid has done for fan enthusiasm. As my husband noted, “I no longer have a sinking feeling as the Redskins’ offense approaches the other team’s endzone.” It goes beyond him being absolutely amazing to watch-he is great off the field too. Same goes for Morris, another rookie this year. I just hope that crappy field hasn’t destroyed him.


  60. heysoos
    60 | January 9, 2013 9:13 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.

    my son was a star in high school…played for twelve years and was never hurt…all conference safety…I sure don’t consider myself insane


  61. heysoos
    61 | January 9, 2013 9:14 pm

    @ livefreeor die:
    other teams have complained about their turf too…not sure what the deal is


  62. lobo91
    62 | January 9, 2013 9:17 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I sure don’t consider myself insane

    I’m not suggesting that you are, but do most insane people actually realize it themselves?


  63. heysoos
    63 | January 9, 2013 9:17 pm

    @ heysoos:
    whoops…my bot played Rocket football at 8 and graduated at 18, 10 years


  64. Speranza
    64 | January 9, 2013 9:17 pm

    Today (January 9) is the 100th anniversary of Richard Nixon’s birth. Tomorrow I will have a Nixon thread.


  65. Speranza
    65 | January 9, 2013 9:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.

    my son was a star in high school…played for twelve years and was never hurt…all conference safety…I sure don’t consider myself insane

    Just consider your self (and him) lucky. Go ask Nick Buoniconti if he thinks his sons paralysis was worth it.
    Daryl Stingley is not available for comment.


  66. coldwarrior
    66 | January 9, 2013 9:19 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.

    farm work is pretty rough too.


  67. eaglesoars
    67 | January 9, 2013 9:19 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    I just hope that crappy field hasn’t destroyed him.

    Do you have details on what was wrong w/the turf? All I heard was the non-specific “not in the best shape”


  68. lobo91
    68 | January 9, 2013 9:19 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    Arming guards at schools is a ‘band aid’ quick fix treatment of symptoms and not the underlying problem, for what is a deep societal dilemma of societal disintegration, that has little to do with whether people need to register guns or not.

    Absolutely correct.


  69. eaglesoars
    69 | January 9, 2013 9:20 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Today (January 9) is the 100th anniversary of Richard Nixon’s birth. Tomorrow I will have a Nixon thread.

    It would have been my parents 64th wedding anniversar.

    And it’s our grandson’s 7th b-day


  70. heysoos
    70 | January 9, 2013 9:20 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.
    my son was a star in high school…played for twelve years and was never hurt…all conference safety…I sure don’t consider myself insane

    Just consider your self (and him) lucky. Go ask Nick Buoniconti if he thinks his sons paralysis was worth it.
    Daryl Stingley is not available for comment.

    so?….has anybody ever been run over by a car?…we understood the risks and he loved playing with a passion


  71. Speranza
    71 | January 9, 2013 9:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    so?….has anybody ever been run over by a car?

    That is a weird retort.


  72. Speranza
    72 | January 9, 2013 9:22 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Today (January 9) is the 100th anniversary of Richard Nixon’s birth. Tomorrow I will have a Nixon thread.

    It would have been my parents 64th wedding anniversar.
    And it’s our grandson’s 7th b-day

    Happy anniversary and birthday to all three of them.


  73. heysoos
    73 | January 9, 2013 9:23 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    so?….has anybody ever been run over by a car?
    That is a weird retort.

    whatever, there is risk everywhere…some you choose, some not


  74. Speranza
    74 | January 9, 2013 9:23 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.

    farm work is pretty rough too.

    Again the analogy is strange. Farm work is necessary as is building a skyscraper or being a police or fireman.


  75. Bumr50
    75 | January 9, 2013 9:24 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That is a weird retort.

    Why?

    He’s talking about inherent risk, willingly taken.

    Life.


  76. eaglesoars
    76 | January 9, 2013 9:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Happy anniversary and birthday to all three of them.

    Thanks!


  77. heysoos
    77 | January 9, 2013 9:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.
    farm work is pretty rough too.

    Again the analogy is strange. Farm work is necessary as is building a skyscraper or being a police or fireman.

    and guess what?…those are choices people make


  78. Speranza
    78 | January 9, 2013 9:25 pm

    Hey let your kids become professional football players (for example receivers) and let them run a pass a pattern across the middle of the field and have a psychopath such as Jack Tatum hit them when they are stretched out and vulnerable.


  79. eaglesoars
    79 | January 9, 2013 9:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    psychopath such as Jack Tatum

    srsly?

    I remember the Eagles used to have a player who played dirty whose last name was Waters. Everyone called him Dirty Waters.


  80. Calo
    80 | January 9, 2013 9:27 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Marc Buoniconti was my boyfriend in 7th grade.
    My dad coached him and used to argue with his dad a lot on how Marc would tackle with his head down.

    What a tragedy at Citidel for Marc.


  81. heysoos
    81 | January 9, 2013 9:29 pm

    @ Speranza:
    or an easier way to get really fucked up dead is join the Marines…are they insane?


  82. Speranza
    82 | January 9, 2013 9:31 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    or an easier way to get really fucked up dead is join the Marines…are they insane?

    Jeezus Louizas -- the Marines are there protecting the nation,policemen are protecting the public. The comparison is ludicrous.
    I am done for the night.
    Good grief!


  83. coldwarrior
    83 | January 9, 2013 9:32 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.
    farm work is pretty rough too.
    Again the analogy is strange. Farm work is necessary as is building a skyscraper or being a police or fireman.

    and guess what?…those are choices people make

    jeeze, lets see, i played 13 years of rugby, went through basic, sniper school, arctic warfare school, air assault school, raced cars for 4 years (amateur), owned a very fast jap bike…i have had some injuries but these tests of physical endurance, pain, and injury and wouldnt trade them for the world.


  84. Colin Powell
    84 | January 9, 2013 9:32 pm

    In my infinite wisdom and judgement, I endorse Chuck Hagel.

    “Chuck displays his courage in many ways,” Powell said. “You can always count on him to analyze a difficult situation and take a position that reflects his best judgment. I believe that more than ever we need that kind of independent and bold leader who thinks in and out of the box.”

    I have spoken!


  85. 85 | January 9, 2013 9:34 pm

    @ Speranza:

    It’s tough being a Cowboys fan this year. Cheer up, there’s always next year!

    :lol:


  86. heysoos
    86 | January 9, 2013 9:34 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    It’s a brutal “sport” and anyone who lets their boys play it is insane.
    farm work is pretty rough too.
    Again the analogy is strange. Farm work is necessary as is building a skyscraper or being a police or fireman.
    and guess what?…those are choices people make

    jeeze, lets see, i played 13 years of rugby, went through basic, sniper school, arctic warfare school, air assault school, raced cars for 4 years (amateur), owned a very fast jap bike…i have had some injuries but these tests of physical endurance, pain, and injury and wouldnt trade them for the world.

    exactly the point…and if you survived all that in one piece, you must be pretty good….that means alot and worth the risk


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | January 9, 2013 9:36 pm

    @ heysoos:

    rugby is all form tackle and played on grass, its easier on the body than american football.


  88. eaglesoars
    88 | January 9, 2013 9:37 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    arctic warfare school

    STORIES! I WANT STORIES!!


  89. coldwarrior
    89 | January 9, 2013 9:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    arctic warfare school
    STORIES! I WANT STORIES!!

    norway, on a glacier, december, 3 weeks


  90. heysoos
    90 | January 9, 2013 9:40 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    rugby is all form tackle and played on grass, its easier on the body than american football.

    football is dangerous for one premier reason…speed and power…devastating injuries in Rocket and school ball are pretty rare…college and the pros is an altogether different animal…speed, velocity, impact…everybody knows it and almost everybody is concerned…but things go bump, whether it’s NASCAR, hockey or football


  91. lobo91
    91 | January 9, 2013 9:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    rugby is all form tackle and played on grass, its easier on the body than american football.

    Are there cheerleaders in rugby?


  92. eaglesoars
    92 | January 9, 2013 9:43 pm

    oh good lord. Haven’t seen this in any U.S. media -- this U.K. media

    Barack Obama ‘seriously considering’ hosting climate summit

    more executive orders, no doubt.


  93. eaglesoars
    93 | January 9, 2013 9:44 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    norway, on a glacier, december, 3 weeks

    what/how did you eat?


  94. coldwarrior
    94 | January 9, 2013 9:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    rugby is all form tackle and played on grass, its easier on the body than american football.

    Are there cheerleaders in rugby?

    well…


  95. eaglesoars
    95 | January 9, 2013 9:44 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    norway, on a glacier, december, 3 weeks

    what/how did you eat?

    oh, and how did you stay warm/dry?


  96. heysoos
    96 | January 9, 2013 9:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    oh good lord. Haven’t seen this in any U.S. media — this U.K. media
    Barack Obama ‘seriously considering’ hosting climate summit
    more executive orders, no doubt.

    yeah, to hell with unemployment…
    that little fucker has a mental/emotional problem…he’s very childlike


  97. coldwarrior
    97 | January 9, 2013 9:47 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    norway, on a glacier, december, 3 weeks
    what/how did you eat?

    cold weather MRE’s…i think 7-10 thousand calories a day.


  98. 98 | January 9, 2013 9:49 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    oh good lord. Haven’t seen this in any U.S. media — this U.K. media
    Barack Obama ‘seriously considering’ hosting climate summit
    more executive orders, no doubt.

    He can get away with it!


  99. eaglesoars
    99 | January 9, 2013 9:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    he’s very childlike

    oh, I dunno. I never thought of Mao as ‘childlike’. Nor Stalin.


  100. livefreeor die
    100 | January 9, 2013 9:49 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    livefreeor die wrote:
    I just hope that crappy field hasn’t destroyed him.
    Do you have details on what was wrong w/the turf? All I heard was the non-specific “not in the best shape”

    Sorry-had to step away for kid related stuff.
    The turf was in bad shape for the last two games, and Pete Carrol was complaining about it. I’ve heard they’re discussing putting in an artificial surface for next year. After RG3′s injury, I’m sure Snyder is taking bids as we type.


  101. heysoos
    101 | January 9, 2013 9:50 pm

    any BO EO that involves me will be ignored…we do not ‘govern’ by EO…
    I hate the feds, and ignore them anyway


  102. heysoos
    102 | January 9, 2013 9:52 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    livefreeor die wrote:
    I just hope that crappy field hasn’t destroyed him.
    Do you have details on what was wrong w/the turf? All I heard was the non-specific “not in the best shape”
    Sorry-had to step away for kid related stuff.
    The turf was in bad shape for the last two games, and Pete Carrol was complaining about it. I’ve heard they’re discussing putting in an artificial surface for next year. After RG3′s injury, I’m sure Snyder is taking bids as we type.

    yup…he’s loaded and heavily invested…either get your turf up to speed or go with the fake stuff…cost is no object


  103. coldwarrior
    103 | January 9, 2013 9:58 pm

    see, ‘coldwarrior’ is a double entendre


  104. eaglesoars
    104 | January 9, 2013 9:58 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    any BO EO that involves me will be ignored…we do not ‘govern’ by EO…

    What was it that marine said in his letter to Feinswine? An unconstitutional law is not a law.

    I have a sinking feeling I’m gonna go to jail……….


  105. heysoos
    105 | January 9, 2013 10:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    any BO EO that involves me will be ignored…we do not ‘govern’ by EO…
    What was it that marine said in his letter to Feinswine? An unconstitutional law is not a law.
    I have a sinking feeling I’m gonna go to jail……….

    I’d rather die than go to jail…jail is the pits, freaks me out to be locked up


  106. heysoos
    106 | January 9, 2013 10:02 pm

    if the feds don’t trust me with my guns, then why would I trust them with theirs?…and HHS buying millions of 9 rounds? do the voters deserve some explanation?


  107. eaglesoars
    107 | January 9, 2013 10:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    jail is the pits, freaks me out to be locked up

    I can imagine. But as I am expecting massive civil disobedience, I think there will be some ‘friendlies’ there.

    I hope.

    Newt is on Greta talking about Obama’s power grab.


  108. heysoos
    108 | January 9, 2013 10:04 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    jail is the pits, freaks me out to be locked up
    I can imagine. But as I am expecting massive civil disobedience, I think there will be some ‘friendlies’ there.
    I hope.
    Newt is on Greta talking about Obama’s power grab.

    I’m pretty sure it won’t work…defiance is about all that’s left, and I’m a pro at defying authority


  109. eaglesoars
    109 | January 9, 2013 10:05 pm

    Newt: Congress can cut off monies to ATF -- as an example.

    Yeah, but they won’t.


  110. eaglesoars
    110 | January 9, 2013 10:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’m pretty sure it won’t work…

    WHAT won’t work?

    btw, if I have to run, leave the light on m’kay?


  111. heysoos
    111 | January 9, 2013 10:07 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Newt: Congress can cut off monies to ATF — as an example.
    Yeah, but they won’t.

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Newt: Congress can cut off monies to ATF — as an example.
    Yeah, but they won’t.

    the entire ATF is a complete waste of money…it’s redundant to the FBI…just another multi billion dollar hog fest


  112. 112 | January 9, 2013 10:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    oh, I dunno. I never thought of Mao as ‘childlike’. Nor Stalin.

    Actually, Mao went after little girls….


  113. heysoos
    113 | January 9, 2013 10:08 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I’m pretty sure it won’t work…
    WHAT won’t work?
    btw, if I have to run, leave the light on m’kay?

    an EO gun grab will not work, and it’s highly likely that some boob will take a potshot at BO


  114. heysoos
    114 | January 9, 2013 10:10 pm

    there is only one reason the BO admin fears gunners…and we all know the answer


  115. 115 | January 9, 2013 10:13 pm

    @ heysoos:

    If not some boob, then perhaps a False Flag operation….


  116. eaglesoars
    116 | January 9, 2013 10:15 pm

    @ Macker:

    There has been a longstanding belief in Chinese society that men can reinvigorate themselves by absorbing life energy from younger women through sexual contact

    that seems to be the belief in much of American male society too.


  117. lobo91
    117 | January 9, 2013 10:28 pm

    GOP Rep. Jeff Duncan: Obama Using Executive Order On Gun Control Smacks Of “Dictatorship”…

    The gloves are officially off in the gun control fight in Washington. After Vice President Biden reiterated the White House intention to use executive power to reduce gun violence following the Newtown shooting, a Republican congressman warned on Wednesday the idea sounded like “dictatorship” to him.

    It’s a handy reminder that all the gun control talk following Newtown could run into smack into the same kind of congressional opposition that’s scuttled many big legislative projects since the Republican takeover of the House in 2010. It’s also another sign that the tough rhetoric is back on guns after the Newtown lull.

    “The Founding Fathers never envisioned Executive Orders being used to restrict our Constitutional rights,” Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) said in a statement Wednesday. “We live in a republic, not a dictatorship.”


  118. eaglesoars
    118 | January 9, 2013 10:31 pm

    @ lobo91:

    which raises an interesting question -- did the founders set up executive orders or was that a later development?

    I can see Texas, the Carolinas, Virginia, etc. gaining in secession sentiments.


  119. lobo91
    119 | January 9, 2013 10:33 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    which raises an interesting question — did the founders set up executive orders or was that a later development?

    I can see Texas, the Carolinas, Virginia, etc. gaining in secession sentiments.

    The use of executive orders goes all the way back to Washington, as I recall, but the numbers issued by individual presidents were tiny up until FDR.


  120. eaglesoars
    120 | January 9, 2013 10:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The use of executive orders goes all the way back to Washington, as I recall

    thanks. It’s not something I’ve looked into.


  121. lobo91
    121 | January 9, 2013 10:42 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Here’s a list.

    Washington issued 8.

    FDR had 3,522.


  122. eaglesoars
    122 | January 9, 2013 10:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    looks like it exploded w/Teddy. I suspect most of them were about things like naming Tuesdays Peanut Butter day or some such thing


  123. Aussie Infidel
    123 | January 9, 2013 10:59 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    oh good lord. Haven’t seen this in any U.S. media — this U.K. media

    Barack Obama ‘seriously considering’ hosting climate summit

    more executive orders, no doubt.

    I know how you feel. Today’s New Zealand Herald (socialist rag that it is) published 3 pages of Global warmist propaganda. These guys are like rust. They never sleeps.

    The same old demonstrably false arguments are recycled over and over again. Each time so ‘cub-reported’ hangs his name on it in the hope of being recognised as one of the ‘insider true believers.

    The arguments have all be thoroughly been trashed yet the warmists trot them out again and again as if they just thought of them …. again.

    I don’t know what their tactic is, I really don’t. Maybe they believe that by chanting a lie often enough it’ll eventually be believed. It’s just so embarrassing to read these missionary warmists preaching their Gaia worship Bulldust. Do they take the public for idiots? Really?


  124. heysoos
    124 | January 9, 2013 11:00 pm

    an EO can be over turned by the SC or by a super majority in the Senate


  125. Aussie Infidel
    125 | January 9, 2013 11:02 pm

    Typos aplenty.. I must proof read… X 100 times!

    But you get my drift eagle :)


  126. Aussie Infidel
    126 | January 9, 2013 11:03 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Roll on 2014 :)

    There will be work aplenty for all … in the Senate


  127. eaglesoars
    127 | January 9, 2013 11:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    an EO can be over turned by the SC or by a super majority in the Senate

    Well it won’t happen with THIS Senate. And my understanding -- could be wrong -- is that Obama could veto it anyway.

    As for SCOTUS -- how long does that take? Years?


  128. lobo91
    128 | January 9, 2013 11:08 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    What would actually be required for Congress to “overturn” an Executive Order is for them to pass a law that reversed the substance of it. It would have to pass by a 2/3 majority of both houses, because anything less could be vetoed by the president.


  129. heysoos
    129 | January 9, 2013 11:10 pm

    the GOP senate should contest every single EO with vigor, win or lose and make it national news…the resources are there, there is money…don’t tell me we cannot mock and ridicule every breath BO takes and not use his own strategy against him…don’t tell me we cannot trash these stupid gun grabs…we can take this country back to it’s constitution…no guts, no glory


  130. heysoos
    130 | January 9, 2013 11:11 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    an EO can be over turned by the SC or by a super majority in the Senate

    Well it won’t happen with THIS Senate. And my understanding — could be wrong — is that Obama could veto it anyway.
    As for SCOTUS — how long does that take? Years?

    don’t yell at me…I’m just passing facts


  131. lobo91
    131 | January 9, 2013 11:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Another route for preventing the implementation of something by Executive Order is for Congress to cut off funding for it.

    That’s what they did to block the transfer of detainees from Gitmo to prisons in the US.


  132. eaglesoars
    132 | January 9, 2013 11:19 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Typos aplenty

    My typos are the fault of my keyboard. Always. As are lily’s -- and, I expect yours. That’s our story and you may join us.

    The MSM seems to think there are no alternative media such as wattsupwiththat, bishophill, etc. At this point, they know global warming is a hoax and that people have caught on. The only rationale for perpetrating it now is to remain in good standing in their little clique. They never left high school.

    The funniest groupthink example I’ve seen recently -- the term high capacity ammunition. Saw it the other day in WaPo and had seen it first in NYT.

    I think they think they actually know what they’re talking about. Tell them a clip is not a magazine and they’ll accuse you of being pendantic.

    Tell them an AR-15 is illegal for deer hunting -- because it’s not powerful enough to kill the animal humanely -- and they’ll call you a liar. IT’S AN ASSAULT WEAPON FOR GOD’S SAKE they’ll say.

    When I had my first lesson at the range to qualify there were a bunch of liberals working for the Agency for International Development (part of the State Dept). They were being shipped to Afghanistan and would be issued Barettas. The NRA instructor accordingly secured Barettas for them to use/learn. After I qualified, I cleared my lane and offered it to any of them. None of them wanted to go. Half an hour later after I had bought my ammo and some other gear at the shop I went back to the range to thank the instructor. They STILL hadn’t started shooting. The instructor just grinned. He said “Donuts to dollars, they’ll find an excuse to ‘come back later’


  133. rain of lead
    133 | January 9, 2013 11:20 pm

    Gunman killed at Sullivan Central HS
    http://www.tricities.com/news/article_35434f30-00d3-522f-98f1-58f372591713.html

    On Monday morning, Thomas Richard Cowan loaded 13 bullets into two handguns, left his German shepherd chained to the fence and drove eight miles from his home in Kingsport to Sullivan Central High School. Whatever his mission, it was the 62-year-old Vietnam veteran’s final drive.

    For about an hour, Cowan’s armed invasion spread panic throughout the school before a burst of officers’ gunfire brought him down. No others were injured.


  134. rain of lead
    134 | January 9, 2013 11:20 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    don’t try that shit in tennessee


  135. lobo91
    135 | January 9, 2013 11:20 pm

    It’s Official, NYC Is Moonbat Heaven: 81% Voted For Barack Obama, Highest Percentage In 114 Years…

    President Barack Obama’s support from New York City in the 2012 election was the highest recorded for a candidate in more than 100 years, according to a final tally of votes.

    Obama beat Republican challenger Mitt Romney by 81 percent to 18 percent in the nation’s largest city, according to a certified vote count released Dec. 31 by the state board of elections. Some New York ballots were counted late in part because of complications caused by Hurricane Sandy.


  136. eaglesoars
    136 | January 9, 2013 11:24 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    don’t yell at me…I’m just passing facts

    I’m not yelling at you sweetie -- I’m yelling at the facts! It’s frustrating as hell. Impeachment proceeding should have been started years ago.

    lobo91 wrote:

    Another route for preventing the implementation of something by Executive Order is for Congress to cut off funding for it.

    That’s what Newt said. Cut off the ATF or whatever agency Obama assigns the implementation to.

    But the Republicans in the house are spineless and testicle-free. They won’t do it.

    Which means I go to jail or heysoos gets to meet me, hubby and the dog.


  137. lobo91
    137 | January 9, 2013 11:25 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    On Monday morning, Thomas Richard Cowan loaded 13 bullets into two handguns

    That should be “cartridges” or “rounds of ammunition.”

    a burst of officers’ gunfire brought him down.

    Unless the police were using automatic weapons, they don’t fire in “bursts.”

    //Yes, I am getting annoyed at the media ignorance


  138. eaglesoars
    138 | January 9, 2013 11:26 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    On Monday morning

    August 2010. Which just goes to show that people landing on Wayne LaPierre don’t know jack.


  139. lobo91
    139 | January 9, 2013 11:30 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:

    On Monday morning

    August 2010. Which just goes to show that people landing on Wayne LaPierre don’t know jack.

    Roughly 1/3 of US schools already have armed security at them now.


  140. rain of lead
    140 | January 9, 2013 11:31 pm

    So they opened fire. Some students counted five shots, others counted six. Anderson would not say how many rounds hit the gunman

    maybe he felt lucky?


  141. rain of lead
    141 | January 9, 2013 11:33 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    the county I live in has sro officers at all schools part time
    the sheriff has asked to get 11 more officers to have them at all schools all the time


  142. eaglesoars
    142 | January 9, 2013 11:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Roughly 1/3 of US schools already have armed security at them now.

    My guess is that the majority of them are in urban environments. With very strict gun control laws.


  143. rain of lead
    143 | January 9, 2013 11:35 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I live in a semi rurel co


  144. lobo91
    144 | January 9, 2013 11:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Roughly 1/3 of US schools already have armed security at them now.

    My guess is that the majority of them are in urban environments. With very strict gun control laws.

    Yup


  145. lobo91
    145 | January 9, 2013 11:38 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    So they opened fire. Some students counted five shots, others counted six. Anderson would not say how many rounds hit the gunman

    maybe he felt lucky?


  146. heysoos
    146 | January 9, 2013 11:42 pm

    go for the knees


  147. rain of lead
    147 | January 9, 2013 11:43 pm

    Fox’s ‘The Five’ Retaliates Against Gawker’s NYC Gun Owner List by Airing Founder’s Phone Number
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/foxs-the-five-retaliates-against-gawkers-nyc-gun-owner-list-by-airing-founders-phone-number/

    On Tuesday, the website Gawker sparked controversy when it published a 446-page list of all the licensed gun owners in New York City, initially labeling them “a**holes.” And on Wednesday, Fox News’ “The Five” turned the tables and aired the website founder’s phone number and email in retaliation.

    Co-host Greg Gutfield began by saying the “left” wants the public to think that anyone who owns a gun is crazy, but that is simply not the case. He said no one wants guns in the hands of crazy people.

    “Those stupid wimps,” he said of Gawker, explaining that the site linked the NYPD to rape and corruption but then ironically called the police when they received death threats.

    “[Gawker called] people crazy a-holes who own guns legally in New York City. So what we thought we would do is maybe point out who runs Gawker, the founder of Gawker, Nick Denton. Greg, you may know him as well,” co-host Eric Bolling chimed in.

    Then Denton’s name, picture, phone number and email address appeared on the screen. “There he is. Nick Denton. Here is is phone number,” Bolling said, advising viewers to email him if “you’re really ticked off.”

    “You know what, Nick, I’m going to call you later on today,” he added


  148. eaglesoars
    148 | January 9, 2013 11:50 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    I watch the five every day. That was a great segment. I hope Eric tapes the call. I hope Denton has to move -- to a different country. I hope his wife -- if he has one -- divorces him for endangering their family and I hope he ends up on the street where he is often robbed by thugs with knives.


  149. rain of lead
    149 | January 9, 2013 11:55 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    stacy mccain had a good take on the nice gentleman

    http://theothermccain.com/2013/01/09/everybody-hates-gawkers-johnjcook-and-its-about-damned-time-too/


  150. eaglesoars
    150 | January 10, 2013 12:05 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    stacy mccain had a good take on the nice gentleman

    http://theothermccain.com/2013/01/09/everybody-hates-gawkers-johnjcook-and-its-about-damned-time-too/

    As Twitchy points out, what Gawker has accidentally done is to provide an excellent argument against registering your guns.

    EXCELLENT POINT!


  151. lobo91
    151 | January 10, 2013 12:06 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Register journalists, not guns!


  152. rain of lead
    152 | January 10, 2013 12:12 am

    night ya’ll


  153. eaglesoars
    153 | January 10, 2013 12:14 am

    @ lobo91:

    Hey lobo, I’ve been sniffing around this for my next buy. I’d like your opinion.

    Taurus Millenium Pro 111


  154. 154 | January 10, 2013 12:21 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I bought mine a few years ago and really enjoy it.


  155. 155 | January 10, 2013 12:23 am

    See ya’ll tomorrow.


  156. eaglesoars
    156 | January 10, 2013 12:24 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I bought mine a few years ago and really enjoy it.

    I’ve never handled anything by Taurus -- not sure if my shop even carries it -- but wanted to know if it’s worth pursuing.

    Sigs for some reason feel too heavy for me and I don’t like the slides on Glocks.


  157. lobo91
    157 | January 10, 2013 12:27 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Hey lobo, I’ve been sniffing around this for my next buy. I’d like your opinion.

    Taurus Millenium Pro 111

    That particular model isn’t one I’ve dealt with before. I have more experience with their revolvers.

    The only real negative I have about Taurus is the fact that they have no US service facilities. If you ever have to send anything to them for service, it goes to Brazil. From what I’ve heard, average turnaround is 6 weeks.

    Of course, I’ve also never had to send a gun back to the manufacturer for anything, so it’s sort of academic.


  158. eaglesoars
    158 | January 10, 2013 12:29 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    The only real negative I have about Taurus is the fact that they have no US service facilities. If you ever have to send anything to them for service, it goes to Brazil. From what I’ve heard, average turnaround is 6 weeks.

    Nevermind. Thanks.


  159. lobo91
    159 | January 10, 2013 12:32 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Sigs for some reason feel too heavy for me and I don’t like the slides on Glocks.

    Have you ever looked at the small Kel-Tecs?

    PF-9

    P-11


  160. lobo91
    160 | January 10, 2013 12:33 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m perfectly happy with my Taurus 850, but it’s an S&W J-frame clone. After 80 years or so, I think they’ve got that design down pretty well by now :)


  161. coldwarrior
    161 | January 10, 2013 12:37 am


    mrs coldwarrior and i are having drinks.

    :lol:


  162. eaglesoars
    162 | January 10, 2013 12:40 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Kel-Tecs?

    Oh man, I have been trying to remember that name -- Kel-Tec -- because I remember the discussion with Mars. The 9 lb trigger pull on the P-11 may be problematic but I will try both.

    And the semi-automatic thingy ain’t bad either.

    THANKS!!


  163. coldwarrior
    163 | January 10, 2013 12:44 am


  164. lobo91
    164 | January 10, 2013 12:46 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    The P-11 is a little bigger, with a double-stack magazine and aluminum frame. The PF-9 has a narrower profile, with a single-stack magazine and a polymer frame. If you have small hands, it might work better for you.

    I see Kel-Tecs in my classes at least once a week. They seem to be pretty solid guns.

    I do own one of their products, but its not a pistol. I have a Sub-2000 carbine. Makes a nice backpack gun, since it folds in half.


  165. eaglesoars
    165 | January 10, 2013 12:52 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    If you have small hands, it might work better for you.

    Heh. I am small period. 5′ 4″, 113 lbs. Not to mention 60 yrs old. But my bones and muscles are still good(doc checked me out yesterday)

    I have a Sub-2000 carbine.

    Ok, you can stop now. I’m beginning to drool. It’s unseemly in a lady of my age.


  166. eaglesoars
    166 | January 10, 2013 12:57 am

    And I shall say goodnite.

    Thanks lobo. Tickles to leia.


  167. lobo91
    167 | January 10, 2013 12:58 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Ok, you can stop now. I’m beginning to drool. It’s unseemly in a lady of my age.

    It’s kind of a neat idea. It comes in either 9mm or .40, and you can get it configured to take your choice of major pistol brand magazines so that it matches your pistol.

    It was designed to be a back-up gun for law enforcement. They designed it so that it fits in its case under the driver’s seat of a Crown Vic.


  168. lobo91
    168 | January 10, 2013 12:59 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Night


  169. lobo91
    169 | January 10, 2013 1:15 am

    “He’s the Judge Executive. What’s he gonna do? Tell everyone he was shot in a whorehouse wearing a bear costume?”

    I love Justified. You just don’t get dialogue like that in network TV…


  170. coldwarrior
    170 | January 10, 2013 2:41 am

    oh shit


  171. 171 | January 10, 2013 2:49 am

    Aw, shucks. Missed what was becoming a gun thread.

    Taurus makes a decent revolver for the price. S&Ws and Rugers are better, but S&Ws are definitely pricier and Rugers are only available in a couple of DA designs and calibers.

    Everybody loves them some semi-auto pistols -- hell, I like mine. But a good revolver will likely handle any problem the average person encounters just as well. Other than .22, I’d say always go for the .357 magnum -- more ammo choices.

    Having said that, if that uber-fancy Ruger Speed Six I temporarilly owned had been chambered in 9 mm rather than .357 magnum, I would have sold it. Fancy or not, those things are rare.


  172. 172 | January 10, 2013 2:50 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Er, make that “I would have NEVER sold it.”


  173. coldwarrior
    173 | January 10, 2013 3:19 am

    @ Mike C.:

    wish i had some guns.


  174. Bumr50
    174 | January 10, 2013 5:27 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    oh shit

    Yinz ok?


  175. 175 | January 10, 2013 5:31 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    MOLAN LABE…


  176. 176 | January 10, 2013 7:23 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    I sold all mine. As y’all know, I’ve been desperate for cash. That house nearly bankrupted me.


  177. eaglesoars
    177 | January 10, 2013 7:45 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Taurus makes a decent revolver for the price. S&Ws and Rugers are better, but S&Ws are definitely pricier and Rugers are only available in a couple of DA designs and calibers.

    Good morning Mike. I already have a very pretty S&W .38 revolver. Her name is Faith. Last year I acquired a .12 ga shotgun (w/guidance from Iron Fist). Her name is No Charity. For my next buy I want something concealable w/a magazine. Her name will be Hope.

    With all 3 floors of the house ‘covered, over time perhaps I can ‘play’ -- starting w/that SUB-2000 carbine lobo91 showed me upthread.

    :lol:


  178. 178 | January 10, 2013 7:57 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    YOu need an AR 15, but those can’t be found for love or money (well, maybe a lot of money) right now. An AR has low recoil, and the newer ones based on the M-4 design have adjustible stocks, so you can adjust it to fit your body. I am not thrilled with the 5.56′s stopping power, but there will always be ammo available for them. I prefer the 6.8 SPC round as a caliber, but unfortunately it doesn’t look like our military will be switching calibers in the foreseeable future. If Hagel gets in, they’ll be lucky to get ammo for the weapons that they have.


  179. eaglesoars
    179 | January 10, 2013 8:02 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hopefully, by the time I’m ready for that, the market will have settled down and Obama will have been thoroughly chastised.

    Didn’t we fire M-4s at Ft Bragg that day?


  180. 180 | January 10, 2013 8:06 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Oh, pish-tosh. You could get a Mini-14. Doesn’t blow gas back in your face like an AR (excluding the gas piston models.) Most versions are less spooky looking, too. Doesn’t scare the Fudds as much.


  181. 181 | January 10, 2013 8:27 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yes, those were M-4s. You can’t get a civillian M-4, really. They outlawed the manufacture of automatic weapons for civillians in 1986. One of those “Grand Bargins” that was supposed to be the do-all, end-all of gun control. That lasted less than 4 years. Proof positive that the DDemocrats don’t negiotiate in good faith on guns (or anything else for that matter). That’s why there should be no compromises at all with them. Even the background check was manipulated inot being something that wasn’t agreed on. The Brady Law was just supposed to cover pistols, but when the background checks became “instant” they applied them to rifles and shotguns as well. The background check is bullshit, anyway. If a person is a criminal and a threat to the community, why are they being let out of jail where they could get a gun and hurt somebody? The Democrats are the ones pushing to let dangerous criminals out of prison, and then they want background checks to “make sure” they don’t buy a gun. Like they can’t steal one, or, for that matter, beat someone to death with their fists. The Democrats are famous for manufacturing a problem so that they can then provide a “solution”. That solution always means less freedom for the individual and more power for the government.


  182. 182 | January 10, 2013 8:30 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I prefer the gas piston models, myself. One thing I noted about the M-4s that Eaglesoars was talking about is that they overheated badly. We had to keep stopping shooting to let them cool down. The gas piston models don’t have that problem. Other than that, though (and the anemic 5.56 round), the AR platform is about the best that anybody’s come up with. There’s a reason that it has stayed the military’s choice weapon and become the choice of law enforcement as well. And I like the “scary” looks. I don’t mind pissing the Liberals off. They piss me off just by existing.


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