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Essential VDH: The Hipsters

by Rodan ( 138 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Election 2008, Elections 2012, Fascism, Liberal Fascism, Multiculturalism, Progressives, Tranzis at January 10th, 2013 - 2:00 pm

The Hipster movement is one of the least spoken about phenomena in recent times. They are politically the most powerful constituencies in American politics. They help fuel the rise of Obama in 2007 and propelled him to victory over Hillary Clinton for the Democrat nomination. In 2012, Hipsters were the decisive edge for Obama over Romney.

Hipsters are near the top of the Progressive Caste System. Most of the issues Democrats push are a result of Hipster activism. The push a very Far Left world view, but love the benefit of the free market. Victor Davis Hanson explains the hypocrisy of the Hipster movement.

No longer in our post-modern, post-industrial, metrosexual fantasyland. The nexus of big government, big money, and globalization has created a new creed of squaring the circle of being both liberal and yet elitist, egalitarian-talking but rich-acting, talking like a 99 percenter and living like a 1 percenter. And the rub is not that the two poles are contradictory, but that they are, in fact, necessary for each other: talking about the people means it is OK to live unlike the people.

In short, we can all be just what we profess to be. The key in our world of blue-jeaned billionaires is being hip — or rather at least professing to be hip.

But what is hip? Mostly it is a state of mind, a religion, a talk, a look, an outward persona that is the key that unlocks you from the ramifications of your ideology.

Hip is like “cool”, whose power I wrote about not long ago: a general sense of tapping into the popular youth culture of music, fashion, food, electronics, easy left-wing politics, and adolescent habit. Hipness is a tool designed to justify enjoying the riches and leisure produced by the American brand of Western market capitalism by poking fun at it, teasing it some, dressing it up a bit to suggest ambivalence over its benefits without ever seriously either understanding their source or, much less, losing them. We feel hip at Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods, but not so much in the organic section of Safeway.

Hip also plays out as professed caring — worrying in the abstract about all sorts of endangered species, starving peoples, or degraded environments. It is being loudly angry at retrograde forces — white males, the rich, gun owners, Christians, family types, and suburbanites, the sorts who ostensibly crafted the toxicity of Western civilization that you are forced to use and enjoy. Yet embrace hip, and all things become possible.

[....]

Palestinians are hip in a way that Israelis are not; but pro-Palestinian reporters stay in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv without a clue why the two cities are different from Ramallah.

Hipsters are no laughing matter. They are a very dangerous group who seek to establish a Totalitarian Regime with them at the top. Their ideology is based of Plato’s the Republic. Hipsters view themselves at the forefront of shaping society. They have elected one President and seek to elect another one.

Make no mistake, Hipsters are a political force to be reckoned with.

(Hat Tip: The Osprey)

 

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  1. MikeA
    1 | January 10, 2013 2:14 pm

    I great analysis. It is always interesting to see what happens to a hipster when reality bites them in the butt… and it always does eventually.


  2. 2 | January 10, 2013 2:16 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    I great analysis. It is always interesting to see what happens to a hipster when reality bites them in the butt… and it always does eventually.

    The sad part is they are such ideologues that they think they will end up ruling. I live around Hipsters, they guys are really a stone throw away from Nazis or Soviets. Hitler was a Hipster himself in his youth.


  3. heysoos
    3 | January 10, 2013 2:18 pm

    fortunately, Al Capone was no hipster


  4. 4 | January 10, 2013 2:19 pm

    @ heysoos:

    This crowd is very dangerous.


  5. heysoos
    5 | January 10, 2013 2:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    This crowd is very dangerous.

    I’m donning my blog armor as we speak


  6. 6 | January 10, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ MikeA:

    The thing is, they are the moneyed class. Reality rarely bites them. They are insulated from the consequences of their actions. There are exceptions. I still get a giggle out of Susan Estrich being appalled that her taxes were going up. I’m sure she makes more money than I do, and my taxes have gone up (depending on what they’ve done with the AMT, maybe a lot). Why shouldn’t her’s?


  7. The Osprey
    7 | January 10, 2013 2:23 pm


  8. darkwords
    8 | January 10, 2013 2:24 pm

    This type of person is one of the most bigoted I have ever come across. They might be hip and cool. But that is all built on nacissist rules. They lack true wisdom, lack spiritual values. And are really “flip” and “fools” The problem is they vote then.

    The way to re orient them is to put a stark reality onto them the alinsky way before they do it to you.


  9. heysoos
    9 | January 10, 2013 2:26 pm

    if there are hipsters in AQB, and I’m sure there are, I don’t run into them in my hood….ABQ is almost 190sq miles and those neighborhoods are far from me so I have had little mixing with them….but I think the demographic is actually real…places like Cincy, Columbus, Burlington VT are crawling with them


  10. darkwords
    10 | January 10, 2013 2:26 pm

    Tax Hollywood is a good place to start.

    Point out to the diversity police that rather than prosecuting poor black for marijuana possesion. ( the easy and racist way to work). Prosecute hipsters for their designer drugs. Social justice at its best.


  11. 11 | January 10, 2013 2:26 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    The thing is, they are the moneyed class. Reality rarely bites them. They are insulated from the consequences of their actions. There are exceptions. I still get a giggle out of Susan Estrich being appalled that her taxes were going up. I’m sure she makes more money than I do, and my taxes have gone up (depending on what they’ve done with the AMT, maybe a lot). Why shouldn’t her’s?

    This is the Feudal elite. The Hipsters are close to the top of the left’s Caste system. They view themselves as entitled to rule.


  12. 12 | January 10, 2013 2:27 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Tax Hollywood is a good place to start.
    Point out to the diversity police that rather than prosecuting poor black for marijuana possesion. ( the easy and racist way to work). Prosecute hipsters for their designer drugs. Social justice at its best.

    I’ve been saying this for weeks. But the GOP is too cowardly to do this.


  13. darkwords
    13 | January 10, 2013 2:29 pm

    @ 9 heysoos: I think grew up out of the emo movement which grew up out of young males being neutered by the “young boys are bad news part of the feminist movement” in the school systems. too many women teachers following an institutionalized approach to managing male behavior.

    One reason I like the idea of street hip hop. Don’t care for the music much, but it is in opposition to metrosexuals.

    Hip Hoppers meet Hipsters. Who wins in the end.


  14. 14 | January 10, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Little bit of trivia on that song….there are members of the 49ers singing the “hip to be square” mantra at the end.


  15. darkwords
    15 | January 10, 2013 2:33 pm

    A School is foolish these days to not have a few armed guards.

    It’s been drilled into the subsconscious now by the media. Lots of marginal people think that a school is the place to do a shooting. if a person feels a need to air their grievances on society prey on the weak.


  16. 16 | January 10, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Hip Hoppers meet Hipsters. Who wins in the end.

    Hip Hoppers do not like Hipsters. We hated it when they started listening to rap. They determined the type of records sold and the music got watered down. That’s why I listen to Electro-House Music now and the Hipsters are getting into that. They ruin everything they get involved with.


  17. darkwords
    17 | January 10, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl: 14 I take that slight unintentional slip on your part to mean a Packers win. Thank you. I have adjusted my Vegas slips accordingly.


  18. 18 | January 10, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ darkwords:

    These people aren’t looking to get into a shootout and go out in a blaze of glory. If they were, they’d go try to do their mass-shooting in a police department. They are looking for helpless victims, and the Gun-Free Schools Act helps assure that that is what they’ll find at a school.


  19. darkwords
    19 | January 10, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ 15 darkwords: One good thing to do is to write the local school board and school district admin that you will hold them responsible for any shootings in schools. CC the local media. Put a lot of pressure on them up front so they can’t have these long term cozy meetings to nickel and dime the second amendment.


  20. Da_Beerfreak
    20 | January 10, 2013 2:38 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    fortunately, Al Capone was no hipster

    But did he shot from the hip??


  21. Mars
    21 | January 10, 2013 2:39 pm

    I don’t agree with a lot of what the writer of this webcomic says, but this video is perfect for this conversation.


  22. darkwords
    22 | January 10, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ 18 Iron Fist: I agree. As some as someone shoots back at them they will panic and not know what to do. It’s like running an experienced soldier against someone just out of boot camp. The noob will cry, run, or die.


  23. heysoos
    23 | January 10, 2013 2:43 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    fortunately, Al Capone was no hipster

    But did he shot from the hip??

    not sure, but he was right handed batter


  24. lobo91
    24 | January 10, 2013 2:43 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 18 Iron Fist: I agree. As some as someone shoots back at them they will panic and not know what to do. It’s like running an experienced soldier against someone just out of boot camp. The noob will cry, run, or die.

    As soon as Adam Lanza heard the first sirens, he shot himself. The moment the cops showed up in Aurora, Holmes surrendered.

    These people are cowards who fold at the slightest resistance.


  25. 25 | January 10, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m shocked the Muzz haven’t done this more.


  26. 26 | January 10, 2013 2:44 pm

    @ lobo91:

    These people are cowards who fold at the slightest resistance

    .

    That’s why they target Movie Theaters or Schools.


  27. lobo91
    27 | January 10, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Notice that there hasn’t been an attempt at a mass shooting in Colorado Springs since that guy tried to shoot up a church here a couple of years ago and got his ass shot.


  28. darkwords
    28 | January 10, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ 21 Mars:Autism is a form of mental illness that has all the potential for a positive outcome. Just emotionally and financially draining on the family. Paranoid Schizophrenics are a different problem, but develop later in life after puberty.

    The problem is the US is that we try and heal both types of mentally unhealthy by immersion into a school system with little to no support. It’s a peer centered cure where the peers can be uncommonly cruel and do a lot of damage before stopped. Teachers are poorly trained to reognize the effects of autism much less deal with them.

    Intervention into an autistic kids life also needs to be intervention into the parents life. With some resources that have actual positive outcomes. A lot of parents will be in denial. And in some cases it will be assisted living homes. In others it will all work out well because of the parents. In some cases medication is needed. But in all cases a positive interaction with a person is needed. That person becomes the model for the unhealthy person.


  29. Da_Beerfreak
    29 | January 10, 2013 2:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Notice that there hasn’t been an attempt at a mass shooting in Colorado Springs since that guy tried to shoot up a church here a couple of years ago and got his ass shot.

    Deterrence. Something the progressives don’t want to talk about…


  30. darkwords
    30 | January 10, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ 29 Da_Beerfreak: There is probably a color map for CNN somewhere that colors the states where someone shot a perp and then the reoccurence of shootings.


  31. 31 | January 10, 2013 2:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Notice that there hasn’t been an attempt at a mass shooting in Colorado Springs since that guy tried to shoot up a church here a couple of years ago and got his ass shot.

    Yup, it’s not a coincidence.


  32. 32 | January 10, 2013 2:52 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Well written.


  33. heysoos
    33 | January 10, 2013 2:53 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Notice that there hasn’t been an attempt at a mass shooting in Colorado Springs since that guy tried to shoot up a church here a couple of years ago and got his ass shot.

    Deterrence. Something the progressives don’t want to talk about…

    cheap and effective direct, proactive solution…it’s so simple a Neanderthal would think of it…these asshole donks are simply swapping lives for their perverted ideology, then turn around and call conservatives hateful and uncaring…somebody has a serious mental flaw


  34. heysoos
    34 | January 10, 2013 2:56 pm

    I’d ask Biden…
    so if all the citizens turn in their weapons, who will protect the children? and why hasn’t your plan been implemented decades ago?….you gotta hammer these idiots


  35. 35 | January 10, 2013 2:58 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The Hipsters are behind alot of the Democrat’s agenda. LGF is a hipster hangout and that gives you a glimpse of their thoughts.


  36. 36 | January 10, 2013 2:58 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’d ask Biden…
    so if all the citizens turn in their weapons, who will protect the children? and why hasn’t your plan been implemented decades ago?….you gotta hammer these idiots

    He would not answer.


  37. heysoos
    37 | January 10, 2013 3:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I’d ask Biden…
    so if all the citizens turn in their weapons, who will protect the children? and why hasn’t your plan been implemented decades ago?….you gotta hammer these idiots

    He would not answer.

    tape it, flash it all across the country, then mock him and BO without mercy…I’m old and slow, but I still burn hot and I’m fixing for a fight


  38. heysoos
    38 | January 10, 2013 3:04 pm

    I’d ask Biden…
    will you rationalize you’re failed economic policies with even more federal laws concerning guns, and explain why Americans should trust you to do the right thing?…a twofer


  39. 39 | January 10, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Honestly, I am too. We’ve seen thousands of terrorist actions oversease, but relatively few here in the States. YOU had the Ft. Hood shooter, that kid ‘splodeydope in Oklahoma, a few other shootings, but all in all fewer than I’d expected. It is heartening, really.


  40. Lily
    40 | January 10, 2013 3:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    fortunately, Al Capone was no hipster

    Al Capone is nothing to be proud of. Really.


  41. RIX
    41 | January 10, 2013 3:07 pm

    Stuck in the Miami Airport last night I was punished with
    Piers Morgan.
    I have never seen him.before. What an insulting snarling
    snake with an.effete British accent.
    Let’s deport him!


  42. lobo91
    42 | January 10, 2013 3:07 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Notice that there hasn’t been an attempt at a mass shooting in Colorado Springs since that guy tried to shoot up a church here a couple of years ago and got his ass shot.

    Deterrence. Something the progressives don’t want to talk about…

    Except when it comes to Islamic nutcases.

    Them they think we can deter…


  43. Da_Beerfreak
    43 | January 10, 2013 3:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Honestly, I am too. We’ve seen thousands of terrorist actions oversease, but relatively few here in the States. YOU had the Ft. Hood shooter, that kid ‘splodeydope in Oklahoma, a few other shootings, but all in all fewer than I’d expected. It is heartening, really.

    Most if not all were carried out in helpless victim zones. Truly one of the greatest failures of public policy ever…


  44. heysoos
    44 | January 10, 2013 3:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Stuck in the Miami Airport last night I was punished with
    Piers Morgan.
    I have never seen him.before. What an insulting snarling
    snake with an.effete British accent.
    Let’s deport him!

    I’m not proud of Capone, never even met him


  45. lobo91
    45 | January 10, 2013 3:08 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’d ask Biden…
    will you rationalize you’re failed economic policies with even more federal laws concerning guns, and explain why Americans should trust you to do the right thing?…a twofer

    He’d tell you that their economic policies haven’t failed.


  46. 46 | January 10, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m shocked Pro Life Liberal from LGF hasn’t done a shooting.


  47. lobo91
    47 | January 10, 2013 3:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Honestly, I am too. We’ve seen thousands of terrorist actions oversease, but relatively few here in the States. YOU had the Ft. Hood shooter, that kid ‘splodeydope in Oklahoma, a few other shootings, but all in all fewer than I’d expected. It is heartening, really.

    It’s ironic that our military installations are some of the biggest “gun free zones” in the country.


  48. Da_Beerfreak
    48 | January 10, 2013 3:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Notice that there hasn’t been an attempt at a mass shooting in Colorado Springs since that guy tried to shoot up a church here a couple of years ago and got his ass shot.

    Deterrence. Something the progressives don’t want to talk about…

    Except when it comes to Islamic nutcases.

    Them they think we can deter…

    Never underestimate the power of a strongly worded letter… ///


  49. MikeA
    49 | January 10, 2013 3:10 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Deterrence. Something the progressives don’t want to talk about…

    Thats is because deterrence at its core is about cause and effect. It also shows the outcome of irresponsible behavior. If you do something stupid, you pay for it. It also means YOU are responsible for your own safety and have to have the tools to accomplish the act. Like a nasty black rifle or handgun.


  50. heysoos
    50 | January 10, 2013 3:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    I’d ask Biden…
    will you rationalize you’re failed economic policies with even more federal laws concerning guns, and explain why Americans should trust you to do the right thing?…a twofer

    He’d tell you that their economic policies haven’t failed.

    perfect…pound him on that as well, there is substantial evidence otherwise…just get him to say anything stupid then broadcast it


  51. 51 | January 10, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Or John McCain calling them heroes!


  52. heysoos
    52 | January 10, 2013 3:14 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Deterrence. Something the progressives don’t want to talk about…
    Thats is because deterrence at its core is about cause and effect. It also shows the outcome of irresponsible behavior. If you do something stupid, you pay for it. It also means YOU are responsible for your own safety and have to have the tools to accomplish the act. Like a nasty black rifle or handgun.

    just stack up about twenty AR’s at the theater door so dad and aunt Fern can grab one for the movie…like 3D glasses


  53. lobo91
    53 | January 10, 2013 3:14 pm

    So…this latest school shooting took place in CA, which already has Soviet-style gun laws, and it was carried out using a shotgun.

    I guess we’ll need to restrict those now, too…


  54. 54 | January 10, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ darkwords:

    To be honest, I don’t know who’s gonna do it. If Rodgers is on top of his game, I think his playoff experience might have an edge over the newbie helming San Francisco. In fact, I’m wondering if Atlanta is going to be able to vanquish Seattle. It’s pretty up in the air at this point.


  55. heysoos
    55 | January 10, 2013 3:16 pm

    alert!…newbie at the helm!….prepare to dive!


  56. lobo91
    57 | January 10, 2013 3:17 pm

    I can hear Cuomo now:

    “Nobody needs a shotgun that fires dozens of pellets in order to hunt ducks!”
    //


  57. heysoos
    58 | January 10, 2013 3:18 pm

    Seahawks QB is also a rookie


  58. 59 | January 10, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    There was a psychologist that was being interviewed or that wrote a column basically saying she/he believes there is a suicidal element to these -- that they want to draw real attention to the fact that they are killing themselves. Notice that they almost always kill themselves rather than surrender or be gunned down by police, and always do so when armed enforcement arrives. I wonder if that madman in Aurora was simply apprehended before he could off his monstrous self. Notice now that he’s playing all cray-cray for the cameras.


  59. heysoos
    60 | January 10, 2013 3:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I can hear Cuomo now:
    “Nobody needs a shotgun that fires dozens of pellets in order to hunt ducks!”
    //

    and I’d reply, dude you are more stupid than three people…the pellets are not for ducks, they are to kill or maim politicians like you that defy the Constitution…you are a fucking idiot, a disgrace…somebody needs to dial up the new GOP/Alinsky tactic


  60. Da_Beerfreak
    61 | January 10, 2013 3:21 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2013/01/09/a-petty-decision-by-obama-n1484529/page/full/

    It’s just what Obama does best.
    Sowing hate and discontent everywhere he goes… :evil:


  61. 62 | January 10, 2013 3:22 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That surprised me when I went to Ft. Bragg for Reaganite’s retirement party. They didn’t search us or anything, but they had signs up at the entrance about firearms being forbidden.


  62. 63 | January 10, 2013 3:22 pm

    @ darkwords:

    One thing the media continually suppresses is how the possession of a firearm has SAVED lives. I heard about the guy who shot up the restaurant and went door to a movie theater and was shot by the off-duty cop only on Fox and on talk radio. I do not recall hearing it on any of the other major news outlets.

    Has anyone heard on ABC for example, that there was a father who shot a robber with his concealed weapon after the man had robbed them, started to leave and then turned around and pointed the gun at the dad and his little boy. I’m thinking not.

    More lives are saved home weapons against robbery, rape and home invasion every year than madmen like Lanza take. Even George Zimmerman was shooting in self-defense; the media just won’t report it as such.


  63. Mars
    64 | January 10, 2013 3:22 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    There was a psychologist that was being interviewed or that wrote a column basically saying she/he believes there is a suicidal element to these — that they want to draw real attention to the fact that they are killing themselves. Notice that they almost always kill themselves rather than surrender or be gunned down by police, and always do so when armed enforcement arrives. I wonder if that madman in Aurora was simply apprehended before he could off his monstrous self. Notice now that he’s playing all cray-cray for the cameras.

    It’s a combination of the suicide thing with a desire for immortality. These nuts have seen the anniversary of Columbine (celebrated by the press) every year and want that kind of immortality too.

    The number one reason these shooting happen is because the press won’t let them rest. This just encourages another to try and repeat or surpass the previous one in order to get the same kind of eternal coverage.

    This time around the press’s agenda against guns is literally killing people.


  64. Mars
    65 | January 10, 2013 3:25 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    One thing the media continually suppresses is how the possession of a firearm has SAVED lives. I heard about the guy who shot up the restaurant and went door to a movie theater and was shot by the off-duty cop only on Fox and on talk radio. I do not recall hearing it on any of the other major news outlets.
    Has anyone heard on ABC for example, that there was a father who shot a robber with his concealed weapon after the man had robbed them, started to leave and then turned around and pointed the gun at the dad and his little boy. I’m thinking not.
    More lives are saved home weapons against robbery, rape and home invasion every year than madmen like Lanza take. Even George Zimmerman was shooting in self-defense; the media just won’t report it as such.

    It doesn’t fit the narrative. They would rather sacrifice more children if it helps the great cause.


  65. Mars
    66 | January 10, 2013 3:25 pm

    @Rodan Check your email.


  66. heysoos
    67 | January 10, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ Mars:
    well, honestly…
    I hope I make the news in the aftermath of the Battle of Ft Willow…but I’m not going to them, they will come to me…
    (wish I had more firepower)


  67. 68 | January 10, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    According to Politico, the choice “appeals to Obama’s bipartisan spirit.”

    A bigger fictitious statement has never been written. This jerk has NO “bipartisan spirit.”


  68. 69 | January 10, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, they almost always kill themselves at the first sign of resistance. They have a script in their head that they are following, and the moment that it starts to deviate from that they end it. Why not deviate from it at the beginning, rather than after all the fatalities? The only real solution to these kinds of things is armed victims. You had something similar going on among the Moros in th ePhilipines at the turn of the 20th Century. That is where the phrase “run amok” comes from. They’d do it with a sword, usually, and the death toll was usually something similar. That is why we went from the .38 to the .45 ACP, too. A .45 will sit someone down.


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | January 10, 2013 3:27 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    One thing the media continually suppresses is how the possession of a firearm has SAVED lives.

    There are a couple of such stories up on the PJM Tatler now.

    By the Joe Biden criterion of “If it saves even one life…”, Obama, Biden and the rest of the gun-grab crew should STFU and go away.


  70. Da_Beerfreak
    71 | January 10, 2013 3:28 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    According to Politico, the choice “appeals to Obama’s bipartisan spirit.”

    A bigger fictitious statement has never been written. This jerk has NO “bipartisan spirit.”

    Lies and fear is all Obama has to offer.


  71. 72 | January 10, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Gunsd save more lives than they take, but you have to remember that saving lives is not the motivation of the gun controllers. Their aim is political control. Crime prevention is just opiate for the masses to distract from their true aims.


  72. Mars
    73 | January 10, 2013 3:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yeah, they almost always kill themselves at the first sign of resistance. They have a script in their head that they are following, and the moment that it starts to deviate from that they end it. Why not deviate from it at the beginning, rather than after all the fatalities? The only real solution to these kinds of things is armed victims. You had something similar going on among the Moros in th ePhilipines at the turn of the 20th Century. That is where the phrase “run amok” comes from. They’d do it with a sword, usually, and the death toll was usually something similar. That is why we went from the .38 to the .45 ACP, too. A .45 will sit someone down.

    True. In Africa it is the machete. In Japan it is a knife. Britain likes it’s knives and bludgeoning instruments. This is not a new phenomena and it is not one that is going to be stopped or even slowed by the restriction of firearms, ammo, or magazines to legal owners.


  73. lobo91
    74 | January 10, 2013 3:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    That surprised me when I went to Ft. Bragg for Reaganite’s retirement party. They didn’t search us or anything, but they had signs up at the entrance about firearms being forbidden.

    The really amazing thing is when someone tries to use the Ft Hood shootings as proof that having armed people around doesn’t help stop mass shootings. I actually heard someone on TV say that “if all those thousands of armed soldiers couldn’t stop one man, what makes you think ordinary people can?”

    Firearms are more closely regulated on military installations than pretty much anywhere else in America. They actually back up the “gun free zone” signs. If the gate guards do decide to search your car and find a gun, you’re probably going to federal prison.

    All privately-owned weapons have to be registered on post, and you can only have them in your quarters or to transport them to the range. There is no concealed carry.


  74. 75 | January 10, 2013 3:30 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Of course, they don’t give a crap about how their ludicrous CAFE standards are responsible for deaths and maiming of the occupants of a lightweight automobile involved in an accident.


  75. 76 | January 10, 2013 3:31 pm

    @ MikeA:

    I can think of nothing I’d want more for home defense than a short-barreled AR rifle with a suppressor. Of course, such weapons are strictly controlled.


  76. 77 | January 10, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ lobo91:

    IIRC, didn’t he open fire in one of the areas of Ft. Hood where service personnel are NOT allowed to carry their weapons.

    And in true keeping with the ObamaOstrich’s belief that there is no more terrorism, they’ve re-defined it as “workplace violence.”


  77. buzzsawmonkey
    78 | January 10, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    @ Carolina Girl:

    Absolutely. Obama is nominating Hagel in the hope that he will be rejected with an overwhelming Republican vote.

    That way, he can posture and preen for the cameras about how he “tried to be bipartisan, tried to reach across the aisle, but the intransigence of the Republicans (nice fat “negrophobia” dogwhistle sounded here) makes dealing with them impossible, because they’ll even reject one of their own if I nominate one of them.” He hopes to ramp up a wave of anti-Republican sentiment that will intimidate John Boehner (no great task) and carry him victorious through the debt ceiling donnybrook that looms, and beyond.

    And if the gamble fails, and Hagel is confirmed, then he’s got an anti-Israel, pro-Iran dunderhead in the SecDef position.

    It’s win-win for him.


  78. lobo91
    79 | January 10, 2013 3:34 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    IIRC, didn’t he open fire in one of the areas of Ft. Hood where service personnel are NOT allowed to carry their weapons.

    Nobody carries around loaded weapons anywhere on post, aside from the rifle range. The only armed people are MPs and/or DoD civilian police.


  79. 80 | January 10, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ Mars:

    They killed how many hundreds of thousands with machetes in Rwanda? Were those people better off not having guns?


  80. MikeA
    81 | January 10, 2013 3:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yeah, they almost always kill themselves at the first sign of resistance. They have a script in their head that they are following, and the moment that it starts to deviate from that they end it. Why not deviate from it at the beginning, rather than after all the fatalities? The only real solution to these kinds of things is armed victims. You had something similar going on among the Moros in th ePhilipines at the turn of the 20th Century. That is where the phrase “run amok” comes from. They’d do it with a sword, usually, and the death toll was usually something similar. That is why we went from the .38 to the .45 ACP, too. A .45 will sit someone down.

    I was reading some info on the Columbine shooting. They said the 2 idiots got “bored” with the shooting when no one was left and then counted down from 3 to 1 and shot themselves in the head. They were on a suicide mission from the start. I also read the same thing you stated above. They want to die and be famous. Some scholar (don’t have the link) did some research and said that after a mass shooting, there will be another one or attempt at one, in the next few weeks because the next nut case thinks they can be famous if they do the same thing.


  81. Speranza
    82 | January 10, 2013 3:38 pm

    A hipster doofus -- that’s the way someone described Kramer the other night.


  82. buzzsawmonkey
    83 | January 10, 2013 3:40 pm

    A chicken in every pot, and a .45 round in every despot!


  83. 84 | January 10, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Exactly. If you shoot yourself in your bedroom on a Saturday night, you get two column-inches in the Monday edition of the paper.

    If you stroll into a kindergarten class and commit an atrocity beyond imagining and then shoot yourself in the head, you’re infamous and people will know your name. The fact that you’ve destroyed families is incidental -- because it was from first to last, all about YOU.


  84. buzzsawmonkey
    85 | January 10, 2013 3:44 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    If you stroll into a kindergarten class and commit an atrocity beyond imagining and then shoot yourself in the head, you’re infamous and people will know your name. The fact that you’ve destroyed families is incidental — because it was from first to last, all about YOU.

    Heads off you want to blow, so everybody knows your name
    They’ll remember when you came
    You shoot wildly so you can see the color of blood’s the same
    Heads you want to blow so everybody knows your name…


  85. 86 | January 10, 2013 3:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I can hear Cuomo now:
    “Nobody needs a shotgun that fires dozens of pellets in order to hunt ducks!”
    //

    You know that is coming!


  86. 87 | January 10, 2013 3:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    A hipster doofus — that’s the way someone described Kramer the other night.

    The Hipsters have much power.


  87. 88 | January 10, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Crime prevention is just opiate for the masses to distract from their true aims.

    When you hear Democrats say “public safety” or Republicans say “law and order”, be very leery!


  88. Da_Beerfreak
    89 | January 10, 2013 3:56 pm

    How is printing the name of a shooter any different than shouting “fire!” in a theater?? Both are going to harm people; one just takes a little longer to do damage.


  89. 90 | January 10, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hey Hagel has not come out in support of the Muslim Brotherhood. So at least that’s a positive!
    ///

    Just trying to look at the bright-side!

    :lol:


  90. 91 | January 10, 2013 3:57 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @Rodan Check your email.

    Got it.


  91. lobo91
    92 | January 10, 2013 3:59 pm

    Now it’s Rush limbaugh’s fault:

    House Democrats Blame Rush Limbaugh For Opposition To Gun Control…

    Drew –

    Rush Limbaugh is at it again.

    He’s riling up his audience with threats of “liberal Democrats” coming for a “gun grab,” trying to mobilize his followers against Vice President Biden’s task force on gun violence.

    It’s ridiculous — but it’s the type of talk that could scare Republicans in Congress away from taking common sense action to curb gun violence. Don’t let it happen.

    Help us reach 100,000 strong telling Speaker Boehner and House Republicans to take action on gun violence.

    We have the momentum to get this done and keep military-style weapons out of the hands of criminals, but Republicans continue to get in the way.

    Tell House Republicans not to give in to Rush’s scare tactics, that now is the time to take action on gun violence:

    http://dccc.org/End-Gun-Violence

    With you on our side, we can get this done.

    Thanks for standing with us,

    Mike

    Mike Ryan
    DCCC Policy Director


  92. Da_Beerfreak
    93 | January 10, 2013 4:00 pm

    Chuck is not Al Capone.
    That has to be one more point in his favor. :twisted:


  93. 94 | January 10, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Of course, Piss Morgan screaming for gun confiscation in violation of the Second Amendment -- that’s okay, right Mikey?


  94. buzzsawmonkey
    95 | January 10, 2013 4:01 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Chuck is not Al Capone.
    That has to be one more point in his favor.

    If he’s willing to work for Obama, he’s El Capon.


  95. lobo91
    96 | January 10, 2013 4:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Of course, Piss Morgan screaming for gun confiscation in violation of the Second Amendment — that’s okay, right Mikey?

    And he’s not even a citizen.


  96. Da_Beerfreak
    97 | January 10, 2013 4:03 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Chuck is not Al Capone.
    That has to be one more point in his favor.

    If he’s willing to work for Obama, he’s El Capon.

    If not now, will soon be. :shock:


  97. waldensianspirit
    98 | January 10, 2013 4:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Piss Morgan screaming for gun confiscation in violation of the Second Amendment1559 Act of Uniformity


  98. 99 | January 10, 2013 4:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Doncha love it when assholes actually travel to this country, live here, get rich and then proceed to tell US what’s wrong with us? Hmm…Piss really doesn’t want to go back to the U.K., though -- I understand he’s facing some very very tough questioning about his tenure at the Daily Mirror if he shows his face.


  99. heysoos
    100 | January 10, 2013 4:06 pm

    as I predicted several years ago….sooner or later the 1st Amendment is gonna take a hit and become more restrictive…media deceit and propaganda that gets people killed will have to be addressed…how, I have no clue


  100. lobo91
    101 | January 10, 2013 4:06 pm

    MSNBC Race-Hustler Melissa Harris Perry On Diversity: Clarence Thomas Isn’t A Real Black Person So He Doesn’t Count…

    MSNBC host and commentator Melissa Harris Perry excuses the lack of diversity in President Obama’s cabinet by saying just because someone is of one gender or has a certain skin color doesn’t mean that they represent that specific group. Harris Perry cites Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as an example, who she says doesn’t represent “the vast majority” of African-Americans.

    Okay, now I’m getting really confused. We’ve been told for years that “diversity” is based on skin color or gender, not actual viewpoint. Now they tell us that skin color or gender don’t count, either.

    //My head hurts


  101. Speranza
    102 | January 10, 2013 4:10 pm

    Rodan remember that night in Williamsburg, Brooklyn when we made fun of all the hipsters after the first debate? Well they had the last laugh didn’t they?


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    103 | January 10, 2013 4:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    MSNBC host and commentator Melissa Harris Perry excuses the lack of diversity in President Obama’s cabinet by saying just because someone is of one gender or has a certain skin color doesn’t mean that they represent that specific group. Harris Perry cites Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as an example, who she says doesn’t represent “the vast majority” of African-Americans.

    She’s suffering from an acute case of “negrophobia,” as one of her co-hosts might put it.


  103. Speranza
    104 | January 10, 2013 4:11 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Doncha love it when assholes actually travel to this country, live here, get rich and then proceed to tell US what’s wrong with us? Hmm…Piss really doesn’t want to go back to the U.K., though — I understand he’s facing some very very tough questioning about his tenure at the Daily Mirror if he shows his face.

    He can take that caveman Martin Bashir (as well as Tina Brown and Anna Wintour) back to not so Jolly Old England with him.


  104. 105 | January 10, 2013 4:11 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan remember that night in Williamsburg, Brooklyn when we made fun of all the hipsters after the first debate? Well they had the last laugh didn’t they?

    Yup, Their man was re-elected. Another observation we made. Obama’s natural home is a place like Williamsburg. He comes from that Hipster scene. If he took the L train 2 more stops to Bed-Stuy, he would shit his pants. He has nothing to do with Black Americans. Obama is a Hipster.


  105. Speranza
    106 | January 10, 2013 4:12 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I guess she agreed with that guy Rob Parker (fired from ESPN) who thought that RG III was not a brother but a cornball brother.


  106. Da_Beerfreak
    107 | January 10, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ lobo91:
    They just don’t know what they are talking about and are too stupid to know that they don’t know what they are talking about. It’s the worst kind of stupid found anywhere on Earth.


  107. Speranza
    108 | January 10, 2013 4:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yup, Their man was re-elected. Another observation we made. Obama’s natural home is a place like Williamsburg. He comes from that Hipster scene. If he took the L train 2 more stops to Bed-Stuy, he would shit his pants. He has nothing to do with Black Americans. Obama is a Hipster.

    Yes I do remember that. Good point. He has far more in common with the latte drinking white Starbucks crowd then he ever does with the brothers in Bed-Stuy.


  108. buzzsawmonkey
    109 | January 10, 2013 4:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He has nothing to do with Black Americans.

    Not quite. Like many born in the ghetto, Obama is the bastard child of a baby-mama who gave him a different “daddy”—and like the ghetto children who become gangbangers, Obama too is constantly trying to prove he has a manhood he himself does not believe in to make up for it.

    Just as Bill Ayers is Charles Manson with a trust fund, Barack Obama is an inner-city gangbanger with a Harvard gloss.


  109. 110 | January 10, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s where the similarity ends. Obama was raised in a mostly White Hipster environment.


  110. 111 | January 10, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He has far more in common with the latte drinking white Starbucks crowd then he ever does with the brothers in Bed-Stuy.

    That’s the culture Obama comes from. He’s the “Black friend” Hipsters have to prove they are not racist.


  111. buzzsawmonkey
    112 | January 10, 2013 4:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That’s where the similarity ends. Obama was raised in a mostly White Hipster environment.

    Fatherlessness, and the inadequacy and compensatory posturing that result from it, know no race.

    Yes, Obama exhibits “hipster” ganglia—but his defining core is the lack of core which is the legacy of being a baby-momma’s fatherless child.


  112. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | January 10, 2013 4:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That’s the culture Obama comes from. He’s the “Black friend” Hipsters have to prove they are not racist.

    I knew a few of those in Chicago who hung around the white college students. Con men, all of them, without exception.


  113. 114 | January 10, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s why Obama loves the adulation of the crowd.


  114. 115 | January 10, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I’d love to take a vote of inner city kids and ask if they’d rather be RGIII or that nobody with a microphone.


  115. 116 | January 10, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    This will interest you, but you probably already know this. Hitler was himself a Hipster. He was a product of the Vienna Hipster movement of the early 20th Century.


  116. buzzsawmonkey
    117 | January 10, 2013 4:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This will interest you, but you probably already know this. Hitler was himself a Hipster. He was a product of the Vienna Hipster movement of the early 20th Century.

    Certainly he was a would-be artist. And the emphasis on regalia which the Nazis had shows some similarity to hipsterism.


  117. heysoos
  118. 119 | January 10, 2013 4:26 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yup, I saw a special on Hitler’s early years and it struck me how in today’s world he would be a Hipster. He rejected traditional religion, loved Socialism, was an artist and hung around “trend setters.”.

    That is why I do not view Hipsters as harmless. They are very dangerous and too many people underestimate them.


  119. heysoos
    120 | January 10, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ Rodan:
    a trendsetting ‘stash too, and that cool greasy combover!


  120. 121 | January 10, 2013 4:30 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    a trendsetting ‘stash too, and that cool greasy combover!

    The Nazis were a Hipster movement.


  121. buzzsawmonkey
    122 | January 10, 2013 4:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yup, I saw a special on Hitler’s early years and it struck me how in today’s world he would be a Hipster. He rejected traditional religion, loved Socialism, was an artist and hung around “trend setters.”.

    That is why I do not view Hipsters as harmless. They are very dangerous and too many people underestimate them.

    If you want to get psychological—and who doesn’t?—you can draw a parallel between the “in-group/out-group” aspect of hipsterism and such phenomena as being worthless if you are not a member of the (Whatever) Party or (whatever) race—or, for that matter, expressing opinions which are at odds with the “in-group,” which will be dismissed as “uncool”, or even “hate speech.”


  122. 123 | January 10, 2013 4:55 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’d love to stick them in a room with Princess Natasha for an afternoon while she describes for them their future if they keep this up.


  123. Da_Beerfreak
    124 | January 10, 2013 4:57 pm

    Shamelessly stolen from somewhere else…

    In 2009, the most recent year for which data is available, 547 people lost their lives in aviation accidents, most of which involved general aviation aircraft. Accidents related to trains and railroad systems killed 695 people. Recreational boating claimed the lives of 736 participants. On our nation’s highways, we experienced 33,868 fatalities involving cars, trucks, buses, and motorcycles.

    It is not very realistic to assume that weapons legally owned by private citizens are this Country’s most pressing safety problem requiring immediate action by Congress.

    On the other hand there are progressives that would be very happy to see us both disarmed AND walking…


  124. 125 | January 10, 2013 5:05 pm

    New Thread


  125. Lily
    126 | January 10, 2013 5:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    There was a psychologist that was being interviewed or that wrote a column basically saying she/he believes there is a suicidal element to these — that they want to draw real attention to the fact that they are killing themselves. Notice that they almost always kill themselves rather than surrender or be gunned down by police, and always do so when armed enforcement arrives. I wonder if that madman in Aurora was simply apprehended before he could off his monstrous self. Notice now that he’s playing all cray-cray for the cameras.

    Really this isn’t unusual. If you look at a lot of mass shootings the shooter normally ends up killing himself. This is not something new.


  126. The Osprey
    127 | January 10, 2013 5:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    This will interest you, but you probably already know this. Hitler was himself a Hipster. He was a product of the Vienna Hipster movement of the early 20th Century.

    Heil Hipster!


  127. Lily
    128 | January 10, 2013 5:10 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    http://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2013/01/09/a-petty-decision-by-obama-n1484529/page/full/
    It’s just what Obama does best.
    Sowing hate and discontent everywhere he goes…

    No kidding! He likes chaos! It is what he does best. He loves the country divided…then speaks of other people dividing the country when it’s him doing it! He is so un-American it is un-believable!


  128. Lily
    129 | January 10, 2013 5:13 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    There was a psychologist that was being interviewed or that wrote a column basically saying she/he believes there is a suicidal element to these — that they want to draw real attention to the fact that they are killing themselves. Notice that they almost always kill themselves rather than surrender or be gunned down by police, and always do so when armed enforcement arrives. I wonder if that madman in Aurora was simply apprehended before he could off his monstrous self. Notice now that he’s playing all cray-cray for the cameras.
    It’s a combination of the suicide thing with a desire for immortality. These nuts have seen the anniversary of Columbine (celebrated by the press) every year and want that kind of immortality too.
    The number one reason these shooting happen is because the press won’t let them rest. This just encourages another to try and repeat or surpass the previous one in order to get the same kind of eternal coverage.
    This time around the press’s agenda against guns is literally killing people.

    Yep! Yeah and this happened even before Columbine in my opinion. The press really takes these crimes to the moon and glorifies them….so in essanse someone wanting to check-out of this world goes one extra and makes sure he takes as many innocent souls with him as he commits suicide.


  129. Lily
    130 | January 10, 2013 5:15 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    According to Politico, the choice “appeals to Obama’s bipartisan spirit.”
    A bigger fictitious statement has never been written. This jerk has NO “bipartisan spirit.”

    NO KIDDING! The man has no actually spirit in the first place….much less some fictious bipartisan spirit!


  130. buzzsawmonkey
    131 | January 10, 2013 5:19 pm

    Lily wrote:

    If you look at a lot of mass shootings the shooter normally ends up killing himself. This is not something new.

    Indeed. Hitler, for instance.


  131. Lily
    132 | January 10, 2013 5:22 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yeah, they almost always kill themselves at the first sign of resistance. They have a script in their head that they are following, and the moment that it starts to deviate from that they end it. Why not deviate from it at the beginning, rather than after all the fatalities? The only real solution to these kinds of things is armed victims. You had something similar going on among the Moros in th ePhilipines at the turn of the 20th Century. That is where the phrase “run amok” comes from. They’d do it with a sword, usually, and the death toll was usually something similar. That is why we went from the .38 to the .45 ACP, too. A .45 will sit someone down.
    True. In Africa it is the machete. In Japan it is a knife. Britain likes it’s knives and bludgeoning instruments. This is not a new phenomena and it is not one that is going to be stopped or even slowed by the restriction of firearms, ammo, or magazines to legal owners.

    Oh and lets not forget baseball bats either. There are all types of weapons that are not guns and someone who is hell-bent on killing someone before they check out themselves are going to do it one way or another. Nature of the beast.


  132. Lily
    133 | January 10, 2013 5:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mars:
    They killed how many hundreds of thousands with machetes in Rwanda? Were those people better off not having guns?

    Not only that the U.N. sat around and watched it happen!!!! What happened in Rwanda is a disgrace!


  133. buzzsawmonkey
    134 | January 10, 2013 5:33 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Not only that the U.N. sat around and watched it happen!!!!

    They were probably Obama’s model for inaction on Benghazi.


  134. Lily
    135 | January 10, 2013 5:44 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    How is printing the name of a shooter any different than shouting “fire!” in a theater?? Both are going to harm people; one just takes a little longer to do damage.

    Normally they print the suspects name in the paper and especially if the criminal killed himself because no trial will be had. They really need to be careful on how they print this stuff. But the media hasn’t been careful for a long time. They have been irresponible for a long time now. If it bleeds it leads.


  135. Lily
    136 | January 10, 2013 5:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    a trendsetting ‘stash too, and that cool greasy combover!
    The Nazis were a Hipster movement.

    Maybe so but they were so much more than that. Many were criminal and most certainly into pagean religious belief’s. Just calling them hipster doesn’t excatly explain the true nature of Nazi’s. Being hipster was only one aspect of the movement and there were some that were just criminal to the core.


  136. 137 | January 10, 2013 6:42 pm

    @ Lily:

    most certainly into pagean religious belief’s.

    Which is a Hipster trait. But yes, the Nazis were more than Hipsters.


  137. 138 | January 10, 2013 6:42 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    :lol:


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