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On the 100th anniversary of his birth, an examination of Richard Nixon’s political legacy

by Speranza ( 346 Comments › )
Filed under Conservatism, History, Republican Party at January 10th, 2013 - 8:00 pm

Richard E. Nixon (yes I know his middle name was “Milhous”, I am using the “E” the way Archie Bunker used to refer to him as “Richard E. Nixon”) in addition to being a creep, was one of the worst presidents we ever had. Nixon was no conservative, in fact he was the last of the New Deal presidents. Nixon set the blueprint that people such as Bush 41, Bush 43, McCain, and Romney followed – tossing out red meat meaningless rhetoric to the “base” all the while governing (or as in the case of McCain and Romney) as a Republican progressive. Mr. Tobin points out that just because the Left hates you, does not necessarily mean that you are a conservative. LBJ would concur if he were alive as would George W. Bush. Mr. Tobin also makes a very interesting point that Nixon’s detente with the U.S.S.R. enabled the Soviet expansion of the 1970′s and  probably allowed the Soviet  Union  to survive longer then it should have. Nixon’s most favorable foreign policy decision was his resupply of Israel during the Yom Kippur War – an action to which all freedom loving peoples should be forever grateful. As we note the 100th anniversary of Richard Nixon’s birth (January 9), we need to reflect on the deeper legacy of the influence of Richard Nixon in today’s Republican Party.

by Jonathan S. Tobin

For many people, Richard Nixon’s centennial is yet another excuse for trotting out Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein and reliving one of the great triumphs of 20th century liberalism. Richard Nixon was the bête noire of a generation of Democrats and the process by which he received what they believed were his just deserts seemed to vindicate every epithet that had ever been thrown at a man who first came to the country’s attention as a dedicated opponent of Communism. As Politico notes, unlike other former presidents who have their fans, the tribe of Nixonians is pretty small. That’s because Republicans as well as Democrats associate him primarily with Watergate, rendering any good or bad done during a long political career to the margins of history.

Yet there is more to his legacy than the tapes and the break-in. The more one thinks about his record as president the less there is to like. That’s because the 37th president is someone who teaches us that character is a fungible quality in politics. The lack of it not only allows a president to violate the law and to misuse his power. It also can lead to the abandonment of principle with regard to political issues. Though there is always the temptation for conservatives to take up the cudgels for anyone liberals hate (a factor that helped Nixon retain the loyalty of many Republicans during his career) he also ought to be remembered as an example of a Republican who betrays the voters in a vain attempt to gain popularity. [........]

Evaluating Nixon’s presidency is hard work for anyone who wants to talk about anything but Watergate. But as much as Nixon provided liberals with a target, it should also be remembered that he gave conservatives an example to avoid too. That’s because Nixon’s principle domestic achievements as president were important milestones in the descent of America into the malaise of big government liberalism.

While his creation of the Environmental Protection Agency is most often cited as an interesting historical irony, it was just one of many excursions into the creation of the superstate that conservatives of our own day are struggling to cut back. Nixon’s willingness to use his war powers was seen as an “imperial presidency” by his liberal opponents, but the same tendency led him to breach every principle of conservative governance to impose wage and price controls on the economy. [.......]

[......]  His trip to China and the establishment of ties with Beijing are rightly praised as a bold stroke that discomfited the Soviets. But the abandonment of his anti-Communist roots was not limited to that initiative. It was Nixon’s championing of détente with Moscow that kept the evil empire alive for longer that it should have. It was also primarily responsible for the dark decade of Soviet expansionism and proxy wars around the globe that followed. Far from being a foreign policy genius, as some would have it, his cynical realpolitik approach did as much damage to the world as his liberal economic schemes did at home.

Nixon isn’t the only example of a Republican who abandoned conservative ideas when he got personal control of the federal leviathan. But there is no better example of the consequences of such folly. Nixon’s presidency will always be seen as a tragic failure because of his resignation in disgrace. But even if we leave that aside, his presidency ought to remain a toxic example for future generations of conservatives.

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346 Responses to “On the 100th anniversary of his birth, an examination of Richard Nixon’s political legacy”
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  1. waldensianspirit
    1 | January 10, 2013 8:03 pm

    I saw a news clip where they reveal Nixon was a close personal adviser of Clinton’s


  2. 2 | January 10, 2013 8:17 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Nixon was no Conservative.


  3. heysoos
    3 | January 10, 2013 8:19 pm

    nor could he hold his liquor…a monumental failure


  4. Mars
    4 | January 10, 2013 8:21 pm

    Nixon was a progressive and a thug. And he still isn’t one tenth the criminal that O and Klinton are.


  5. 5 | January 10, 2013 8:21 pm

    Just because the Left hates you, does not make you a Conservative.


  6. Xeon
    6 | January 10, 2013 8:22 pm

    Nixon was no Conservative….but the alternatives at the time were worse.


  7. heysoos
    7 | January 10, 2013 8:22 pm

    there needs to be an historic investigation regarding Nixon’s Fruit Of The Loom stock


  8. 8 | January 10, 2013 8:22 pm

    @ Mars:

    JFK was more Conservative than he was.


  9. eaglesoars
    9 | January 10, 2013 8:23 pm

    Far from being a foreign policy genius, as some would have it, his cynical realpolitik approach did as much damage to the world as his liberal economic schemes did at home.

    Was it his policy or Kissenger’s?


  10. 10 | January 10, 2013 8:23 pm

    Xeon wrote:

    Nixon was no Conservative….but the alternatives at the time were worse.

    That’s a fair point.


  11. 11 | January 10, 2013 8:24 pm

    One thing I will give Nixon credit for, he did know how to win Presidential elections. Something Republicans have forgotten.


  12. brookly red
    12 | January 10, 2013 8:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Just because the Left hates you, does not make you a Conservative.

    no but you must be doing something right. :)


  13. heysoos
    13 | January 10, 2013 8:25 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Far from being a foreign policy genius, as some would have it, his cynical realpolitik approach did as much damage to the world as his liberal economic schemes did at home.
    Was it his policy or Kissenger’s?

    I don’t knee jerk believe that…visiting China was epic at that time and cooled a growing hostility…what came later is another subject


  14. 14 | January 10, 2013 8:25 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Not always. The Left hated LBJ, he did nothing right.


  15. brookly red
    15 | January 10, 2013 8:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    One thing I will give Nixon credit for, he did know how to win Presidential elections. Something Republicans have forgotten.

    “Dirty tricks”, “enemies list” if you want you can compare Nixon to Obama and there are some similarities…


  16. 16 | January 10, 2013 8:28 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Yes there are similarities.


  17. brookly red
    17 | January 10, 2013 8:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Not always. The Left hated LBJ, he did nothing right.

    at the time yes but without his “great society” there would be a lot less libs around today.


  18. heysoos
    18 | January 10, 2013 8:29 pm

    nor am I claiming that Nixon was a foreign policy genius, but that his gig with China was inevitable…I’m not sure what he thought of it I have not read a memoir…but Rosemary Woods was blowing him at the time so maybe she has a more clear insight


  19. heysoos
    19 | January 10, 2013 8:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Not always. The Left hated LBJ, he did nothing right.

    give him a break…he conquered Viet Nam


  20. 20 | January 10, 2013 8:31 pm

    @ brookly red:

    LBJ was a scumbag.


  21. 21 | January 10, 2013 8:31 pm

    @ heysoos:

    :lol:


  22. brookly red
    22 | January 10, 2013 8:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    LBJ was a scumbag.

    I’ll drink to that! and a racist scumbag at that.


  23. 23 | January 10, 2013 8:33 pm

    The Republicans of the Eisenhower-Nixon-Ford era were not Conservatives. But they won elections. This is something today’s GOP has forgotten to win. Both the Establishment and Purists are to blame. They refuse to adapt to the times or even fight effectively.


  24. 24 | January 10, 2013 8:33 pm

    @ brookly red:

    His war on poverty was intended to make Blacks slaves again.


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    25 | January 10, 2013 8:34 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Lengthy reply to you, bottom of last thread.


  26. heysoos
    26 | January 10, 2013 8:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    LBJ was a scumbag.

    if LBJ was a scumbag, the McNamara was the devil himself…he knifed LBJ, consider that


  27. 27 | January 10, 2013 8:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    McNamara was the worst Dec of Defense.


  28. heysoos
    28 | January 10, 2013 8:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Republicans of the Eisenhower-Nixon-Ford era were not Conservatives. But they won elections. This is something today’s GOP has forgotten to win. Both the Establishment and Purists are to blame. They refuse to adapt to the times or even fight effectively.

    events dictate winning…the re-election of BO is astounding in that regard…you knew that tho


  29. brookly red
    29 | January 10, 2013 8:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    His war on poverty was intended to make Blacks slaves again.

    but only for 200 years :)


  30. heysoos
    30 | January 10, 2013 8:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    McNamara was the worst Dec of Defense.

    58k dead guys n his dime…fucking liberal that tossed those boys away for some perverted ideology…58 thousand


  31. brookly red
    31 | January 10, 2013 8:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    His war on poverty was intended to make Blacks slaves again.

    it is amazing how much damage was done in so little time… kinda echos Rome.


  32. Speranza
    32 | January 10, 2013 8:41 pm

    Nixon was a creep and paranoid -- when he was in office.


  33. 33 | January 10, 2013 8:42 pm

    @ heysoos:

    fucking liberal that tossed those boys away for some perverted ideology…58 thousand

    It’s a shame that Conservative today have adopted the Progressive Nation Building Ideology. If most Conservatives read up on the origins of Nation Building Interventionism, they would realize how they have been had. As much as some Conservatives bitch about the establishment, when it comes to foreign policy, they do not question.


  34. Speranza
    34 | January 10, 2013 8:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Nixon was no Conservative.

    He certainly was no conservative. He was however a good adviser with a lot of common sense -- when he was not running for election. In a way he was one of our better ex-presidents.


  35. 35 | January 10, 2013 8:43 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You and I get reality.


  36. 36 | January 10, 2013 8:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    he actually knew how to win. Something Republicans have forgotten about.


  37. Speranza
    37 | January 10, 2013 8:44 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Nixon was a progressive and a thug. And he still isn’t one tenth the criminal that O and Klinton are.

    I agree, however he was also poorly served by Spiro Agnew who by the way was a liberal Republican governor of Maryland, someone whom many here would refer to as a “RINO”.


  38. heysoos
    38 | January 10, 2013 8:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    fucking liberal that tossed those boys away for some perverted ideology…58 thousand

    It’s a shame that Conservative today have adopted the Progressive Nation Building Ideology. If most Conservatives read up on the origins of Nation Building Interventionism, they would realize how they have been had. As much as some Conservatives bitch about the establishment, when it comes to foreign policy, they do not question.

    you know how I feel about, so I won’t go into it..but the feds have blood on their hands, from then til now


  39. Speranza
    39 | January 10, 2013 8:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    he actually knew how to win. Something Republicans have forgotten about.

    He was a very good political strategist and gave Reagan some excellent advice when he was running in 1980 and running for re-election in 1984. His detente policy vis a vis the USSR was disastrous.


  40. eaglesoars
    40 | January 10, 2013 8:46 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I don’t knee jerk believe that

    Nor do I. It’s like trying to untangle a plate of spaghetti.

    heysoos wrote:

    McNamara was the devil himself…he knifed LBJ, consider that

    I don’t think that. He gave an interview shortly before he died that revealed how tormented he was over Viet Nam. His problem was that he was a technocrat


  41. eaglesoars
    41 | January 10, 2013 8:46 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Lengthy reply to you, bottom of last thread.

    responded


  42. heysoos
    42 | January 10, 2013 8:47 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    he actually knew how to win. Something Republicans have forgotten about.

    He ws a very good political strategist and gave Reagan some excellent advice when he was running in 1980 and running for re-election in 1984. His detente policy vis a vis the USSR was disastrous.

    yet, few died from those policies


  43. brookly red
    43 | January 10, 2013 8:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    fucking liberal that tossed those boys away for some perverted ideology…58 thousand

    It’s a shame that Conservative today have adopted the Progressive Nation Building Ideology. If most Conservatives read up on the origins of Nation Building Interventionism, they would realize how they have been had. As much as some Conservatives bitch about the establishment, when it comes to foreign policy, they do not question.

    Ron Paul :)


  44. eaglesoars
    44 | January 10, 2013 8:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Spiro Agnew who by the way was a liberal Republican governor of Maryland, someone whom many here would refer to as a “RINO”.

    No, not a RINO. A crook. Totally corrupt crook.


  45. Speranza
    45 | January 10, 2013 8:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    The Republicans of the Eisenhower-Nixon-Ford era were not Conservatives. But they won elections. This is something today’s GOP has forgotten to win. Both the Establishment and Purists are to blame. They refuse to adapt to the times or even fight effectively.

    events dictate winning…the re-election of BO is astounding in that regard…you knew that tho

    Nothing is more important then winning something many of the posters at Weasel Zippers seem to ignore. Winning takes precedence over everything. I am not into this “Well we at least stand for something” argument -- the only thing you will “stand for” is defeat. The Democrats play to win, what we play for I am not all that certain of.


  46. heysoos
    46 | January 10, 2013 8:49 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I don’t knee jerk believe that
    Nor do I. It’s like trying to untangle a plate of spaghetti.
    heysoos wrote
    McNamara was the devil himself…he knifed LBJ, consider that
    I don’t think that. He gave an interview shortly before he died that revealed how tormented he was over Viet Nam. His problem was that he was a technocrat

    too little, too late…when it counted, he failed


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | January 10, 2013 8:50 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    too little, too late…when it counted, he failed

    No argument.


  48. Speranza
    48 | January 10, 2013 8:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I don’t think that. He gave an interview shortly before he died that revealed how tormented he was over Viet Nam. His problem was that he was a technocrat

    He really was one of the worst examples of the so-called “Best and the brightest”.


  49. 49 | January 10, 2013 8:52 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Not Ron Paul at all, he’s an isolationist. What I am calling for is the Reagan Doctrine, Peace through strength. Reagan rejected Nation Building. But today, The GOP Establishment and many Conservatives want unlimited war and nation building. They even want to go to war in Syria to help al-Qaeda.


  50. 50 | January 10, 2013 8:53 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The Democrats play to win, what we play for I am not all that certain of.

    That’s why Democrats have won the popular vote in 5/6 elections.


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | January 10, 2013 8:54 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    responded

    Likewise.


  52. eaglesoars
    52 | January 10, 2013 8:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    They even want to go to war in Syria to help al-Qaeda.

    Don’t be ridiculous. That’s not WHY they want to intervene -- it may be the end result, but it’s not the rationale.


  53. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | January 10, 2013 8:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    He really was one of the worst examples of the so-called “Best and the brightest”.

    More Harvard crapola.


  54. Mars
    54 | January 10, 2013 8:55 pm

    I think one problem we have were it involves war is that ever since Kronkite and the Dem treason caucus lost us Viet Nam, we have stopped trying to win wars and only look for how to best “manage” them.

    GHWB had a victory in hand in a fairly popular war. He could have destroyed Bagdhad and killed Saddam. It would have taken the Iraqis 50 to 100 years to go to Al Qaeda style nastiness if we had done things right.

    Instead he pulled out without finishing the job. We did just exactly as much as the Saudis wanted us to do and not one iota more.

    And that now seems to be the blueprint. Afghanistan and Iraq 2, were both “managed” wars. Politicians were allowed to conduct and decide the outcomes.

    Only the military leaders on the ground know the situation, and they are now ignored at every step.


  55. Speranza
    55 | January 10, 2013 8:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Spiro Agnew who by the way was a liberal Republican governor of Maryland, someone whom many here would refer to as a “RINO”.

    No, not a RINO. A crook. Totally corrupt crook.

    Spiro Agnew was a horrible pick for V.P. By the way the more I replay the Biden-Ryan debate the more convinced I am that Paul Ryan was not a good choice to be the running mate, in fact he SUCKED. He is a brilliant guy but his wonkishness and his coming across like a community college economics professor was not what we needed. He should have pointedly called Biden out on his boorish rudeness instead of showing him the deference that he did.


  56. brookly red
    56 | January 10, 2013 8:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Not Ron Paul at all, he’s an isolationist. What I am calling for is the Reagan Doctrine, Peace through strength. Reagan rejected Nation Building. But today, The GOP Establishment and many Conservatives want unlimited war and nation building. They even want to go to war in Syria to help al-Qaeda.

    a little isolationism might be a good thing these days. Build a nation? start with this one. Syria? wtf let them kill each other


  57. brookly red
    57 | January 10, 2013 8:59 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    They even want to go to war in Syria to help al-Qaeda.

    Don’t be ridiculous. That’s not WHY they want to intervene — it may be the end result, but it’s not the rationale.

    with Obama I am not so sure…


  58. Brick
    58 | January 10, 2013 8:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I think one problem we have were it involves war is that ever since Kronkite and the Dem treason caucus lost us Viet Nam, we have stopped trying to win wars and only look for how to best “manage” them.
    GHWB had a victory in hand in a fairly popular war. He could have destroyed Bagdhad and killed Saddam. It would have taken the Iraqis 50 to 100 years to go to Al Qaeda style nastiness if we had done things right.
    Instead he pulled out without finishing the job. We did just exactly as much as the Saudis wanted us to do and not one iota more.
    And that now seems to be the blueprint. Afghanistan and Iraq 2, were both “managed” wars. Politicians were allowed to conduct and decide the outcomes.
    Only the military leaders on the ground know the situation, and they are now ignored at every step.

    Could it be that modern wars are prosecuted to achieve something other than military objectives?


  59. Speranza
    59 | January 10, 2013 9:00 pm

    Mars wrote:

    GHWB had a victory in hand in a fairly popular war. He could have destroyed Bagdhad and killed Saddam. It would have taken the Iraqis 50 to 100 years to go to Al Qaeda style nastiness if we had done things right.

    The Bush family being a completely owned subsidiary of the House of Saud did what their Wahabi masters told them to do.


  60. brookly red
    60 | January 10, 2013 9:00 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We did just exactly as much as the Saudis wanted us to do

    funny that


  61. Speranza
    61 | January 10, 2013 9:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    a little isolationism might be a good thing these days. Build a nation? start with this one. Syria? wtf let them kill each other

    The Assad Baathist/Alawite loyalists with their Hezbollah/Iranian allies killing and being killed by the al Qaeda lead rebels is a win-win situation if there ever was one.


  62. Mars
    62 | January 10, 2013 9:03 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I think one problem we have were it involves war is that ever since Kronkite and the Dem treason caucus lost us Viet Nam, we have stopped trying to win wars and only look for how to best “manage” them.
    GHWB had a victory in hand in a fairly popular war. He could have destroyed Bagdhad and killed Saddam. It would have taken the Iraqis 50 to 100 years to go to Al Qaeda style nastiness if we had done things right.
    Instead he pulled out without finishing the job. We did just exactly as much as the Saudis wanted us to do and not one iota more.
    And that now seems to be the blueprint. Afghanistan and Iraq 2, were both “managed” wars. Politicians were allowed to conduct and decide the outcomes.
    Only the military leaders on the ground know the situation, and they are now ignored at every step.

    Could it be that modern wars are prosecuted to achieve something other than military objectives?

    Yeah.

    Wars are about body counts and strategic locations, not hearts and minds or press polling.


  63. 63 | January 10, 2013 9:03 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah the excuse is “Democracy” or “Human Rights”. Either way It’s not a Conservative principle, It’s Progressive and I wish Conservatives would wake up and resist the Establishment on this.


  64. 64 | January 10, 2013 9:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You’re right…Tricky Dick is a SAINT compared to the SCOAMF.


  65. Speranza
    65 | January 10, 2013 9:04 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    He really was one of the worst examples of the so-called “Best and the brightest”.

    More Harvard crapola.

    The same Harvard/Yale/Colombia/Stanford/Wharton MBA geniuses helped create the 2008 economic meltdown too.


  66. 66 | January 10, 2013 9:04 pm

    @ Speranza:

    This is like Nazis vs. Communists minus a world war. Grab the popcorn and enjoy!


  67. buzzsawmonkey
    67 | January 10, 2013 9:05 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I think one problem we have were it involves war is that ever since Kronkite and the Dem treason caucus lost us Viet Nam, we have stopped trying to win wars and only look for how to best “manage” them.

    Goes back farther than that: to the Korean War, where we did not win but merely agreed to a cease-fire.

    I blame this on the abolition of the War Department and its replacement with the “Department of Defense”: a “War Department” knows what business it’s in, and knows that the choices are victory or defeat. A “Defense Department” merely fends off, and kicks the can down the road by removing the immediate threat. A “Defense Department” is not concerned with victory; the shift from “War” to “Defense” broadened the mission of the Department while at the same time diluting that mission.


  68. 68 | January 10, 2013 9:05 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Assad Baathist/Alawite loyalists with their Hezbollah/Iranian allies killing and being killed by the al Qaeda lead rebels is a win-win situation if there ever was one.

    All because of a teeny tiny difference between the two sides over just how to sing The Muslim National Anthem™!


  69. 69 | January 10, 2013 9:05 pm

    @ Mars:

    Now they want to intervene in Syria. Some people do not learn.


  70. brookly red
    70 | January 10, 2013 9:06 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Could it be that modern wars are prosecuted to achieve something other than military objectives?

    well that goes back to Sun Tzu…


  71. 71 | January 10, 2013 9:06 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    One thing I recall you criticize Bush on was his not doing a FDR style WWII fireside chat. That way he could have weekly rallied the public to his wars.


  72. Speranza
    72 | January 10, 2013 9:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Wars are about body counts and strategic locations, not hearts and minds or press polling.

    1. I believe in the cliche “Grab them by thier balls and pull, their hearts and minds will follow:” philosophy
    2, Nothing does so much for public morale then photos of scores of our dead enemies lying along the road. (See photos of Nazi dead a the Falaise Gap, August, 1944.)


  73. eaglesoars
    73 | January 10, 2013 9:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    with Obama I am not so sure…

    I was taking issue with Rodan’s characterization of the GOP.

    As to your comment -- I am absolutely sure. If it hurts America, Obama is all for it.

    Benghazi was a gun-running operation directly to AQ. Chris Stevens was sacrificed to shut him up.


  74. 74 | January 10, 2013 9:08 pm

    @ Brick:

    Could it be that modern wars are prosecuted to achieve something other than military objectives?

    Yes, do the bidding of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood to establish a Caliphate. Our elites who claim to be smart are so stupid and are used by Arab Muslims.


  75. Mars
    75 | January 10, 2013 9:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Wars are about body counts and strategic locations, not hearts and minds or press polling.
    1. I believe in the cliche “Grab them by thier balls and pull, their hearts and minds will follow:” philosophy
    2, Nothing does so much for public morale then photos of scores of our dead enemies lying along the road. (See photos of Nazi dead a the Falaise Gap, August, 1944.)

    This.


  76. Speranza
    76 | January 10, 2013 9:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    One thing I recall you criticize Bush on was his not doing a FDR style WWII fireside chat. That way he could have weekly rallied the public to his wars.

    For some odd reason he decided to live his Christian faith as president which meant being overly modest, turning the other cheek, and not fighting back against the most vile criticism. How did that work out for ya’ W. (you dunderhead)?


  77. Mars
    77 | January 10, 2013 9:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Could it be that modern wars are prosecuted to achieve something other than military objectives?
    Yes, do the bidding of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood to establish a Caliphate. Our elites who claim to be smart are so stupid and are used by Arab Muslims.

    The mindset of the left on this issue is covered really well in my new article.


  78. eaglesoars
    78 | January 10, 2013 9:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah the excuse is “Democracy” or “Human Rights”. Either way It’s not a Conservative principle, It’s Progressive and I wish Conservatives would wake up and resist the Establishment on this.

    On that we are in total agreement. They are misguided but not venal.


  79. buzzsawmonkey
    79 | January 10, 2013 9:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    One thing I recall you criticize Bush on was his not doing a FDR style WWII fireside chat. That way he could have weekly rallied the public to his wars.

    Bush didn’t do shit to put his side of the argument over. He was pathetic.

    Not only should he have done outreach on a regular basis to the country, there should have been an Office of War Information that put maps of Iraq and Afghanistan into the public schools and made them available to the newspapers. There should have been a blizzard of press releases which explained where we were going and why, what our objectives are, who we were fighting, how many of them we killed. Instead, he ceded all of this to the media, and all we got were our own body counts with no sense of context or objective.

    He was a disaster in this regard.


  80. Speranza
    80 | January 10, 2013 9:11 pm

    @ Mars:
    I never tire of pictures of
    1. dead Nazis (particularly Waffen S.S. but any Germans will do)
    2. dead World War II Japanese soldiers
    3. dead Muslim/Arab terrorists be they Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda, Taliban, PFLP, KLA, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, etc.


  81. 81 | January 10, 2013 9:12 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Don’t they realize that Americans are tired of nation building? The GOP used to be against that, now it’s their foreign policy doctrine. ARe they really in a bubble?


  82. Speranza
    82 | January 10, 2013 9:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Bush didn’t do shit to put his side of the argument over. He was pathetic.

    Not only should he have done outreach on a regular basis to the country, there should have been an Office of War Information that put maps of Iraq and Afghanistan into the public schools and made them available to the newspapers. There should have been a blizzard of press releases which explained where we were going and why, what our objectives are, who we were fighting, how many of them we killed. Instead, he ceded all of this to the media, and all we got were our own body counts with no sense of context or objective.

    He was a disaster in this regard.

    George W. Bush (basically a very good man) demoralized the Republican Party and eased the way in for Barack Obama and the current nightmare we are living under.


  83. 83 | January 10, 2013 9:13 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is exactly what you were writing circa 05-07. It’s stuck in my head.


  84. buzzsawmonkey
    84 | January 10, 2013 9:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Don’t they realize that Americans are tired of nation building?

    They sure are. Look at the state our nation is in.


  85. brookly red
    85 | January 10, 2013 9:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Brick:

    Could it be that modern wars are prosecuted to achieve something other than military objectives?

    Yes, do the bidding of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood to establish a Caliphate. Our elites who claim to be smart are so stupid and are used by Arab Muslims.

    I don’t know that they do this out of stupidity, I suspect prostitution.


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | January 10, 2013 9:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That is exactly what you were writing circa 05-07. It’s stuck in my head.

    It’s still true. I should add, too, that there should have been morale posters, and there should have been, if not “scrap drives” (though why not? It would just be repurposing the recycling people are already doing), something of that sort to make the population at large continue to feel that it was part of the war effort, instead of letting that “Marines went to war, America went to the mall” mentality flourish.

    This is so basic, you have to wonder what these people were on to not know it instinctively.


  87. eaglesoars
    87 | January 10, 2013 9:16 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    turning the other cheek,

    That is one of the most historically mis-understood tenents of Christianity.

    Striking a Roman citizen was a capitol crime. But a Roman citizen could strike anyone who was not with no consequence. The instruction to turn the other cheek was about that scenario. A Roman soldier just smacked you across the face. Turn the other cheek. DARE him to strike you again and make him think twice about your status -- because if he fucks up, he’s dead.

    It was not meant as a posture of humility.


  88. Mars
    88 | January 10, 2013 9:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    One thing I recall you criticize Bush on was his not doing a FDR style WWII fireside chat. That way he could have weekly rallied the public to his wars.
    Bush didn’t do shit to put his side of the argument over. He was pathetic.
    Not only should he have done outreach on a regular basis to the country, there should have been an Office of War Information that put maps of Iraq and Afghanistan into the public schools and made them available to the newspapers. There should have been a blizzard of press releases which explained where we were going and why, what our objectives are, who we were fighting, how many of them we killed. Instead, he ceded all of this to the media, and all we got were our own body counts with no sense of context or objective.
    He was a disaster in this regard.

    I didn’t like his father, but I have to admit that was an area he excelled at. A day didn’t go by where he didn’t have one general or another on the news channels with a map showing exactly what was happening and how it was happening. He also didn’t shy away from showing the videos and photos of what we did to our enemies. He could have flattened Baghdad without anyone raising an ounce of fuss. He had things communicated and detailed that well.


  89. Speranza
    89 | January 10, 2013 9:17 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I didn’t like his father, but I have to admit that was an area he excelled at. A day didn’t go by where he didn’t have one general or another on the news channels with a map showing exactly what was happening and how it was happening. He also didn’t shy away from showing the videos and photos of what we did to our enemies. He could have flattened Baghdad without anyone raising an ounce of fuss. He had things communicated and detailed that well.

    Too bad he promoted Colin Powell way above his abilities.


  90. 90 | January 10, 2013 9:18 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    That’s correct!


  91. eaglesoars
    91 | January 10, 2013 9:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    He was a disaster in this regard.

    The videos of Danny Pearl’s and Nick Berg’s beheading and every other atrocity should have been on the whitehouse.gov website.


  92. Speranza
    92 | January 10, 2013 9:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    That is one of the most historically mis-understood tenents of Christianity.

    Striking a Roman citizen was a capitol crime. But a Roman citizen could strike anyone who was not with no consequence. The instruction to turn the other cheek was about that scenario. A Roman soldier just smacked you across the face. Turn the other cheek. DARE him to strike you again and make him think twice about your status — because if he fucks up, he’s dead.

    It was not meant as a posture of humility.

    The Roman legions were the perfect killing machines. The only way they could be beat was if you got them onto terrain in which they could not deploy as they did on open ground -- such as in a forest (Teutoburg Forest, in Germany in 9 A.D.) or in a mountain valley (Beth-Horon in Judea in 66A.D.).


  93. Moe Katz
    93 | January 10, 2013 9:21 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Hi Rodan, just a reminder, are you going to put Calo and me in touch with one another?


  94. Mars
    94 | January 10, 2013 9:21 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I didn’t like his father, but I have to admit that was an area he excelled at. A day didn’t go by where he didn’t have one general or another on the news channels with a map showing exactly what was happening and how it was happening. He also didn’t shy away from showing the videos and photos of what we did to our enemies. He could have flattened Baghdad without anyone raising an ounce of fuss. He had things communicated and detailed that well.

    Too bad he promoted Colin Powell way above his abilities.

    Very true. But, I never did like Powell to the degree that I liked Schwarzkopf. Powell just seemed to politically motivated. Norman reminded me of the WW2 generals in his bluster and straight talk.


  95. Colin Powell
    95 | January 10, 2013 9:22 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I take objection to that. I am the most thoughtful man in America.


  96. Speranza
    96 | January 10, 2013 9:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Very true. But, I never did like Powell to the degree that I liked Schwarzkopf. Powell just seemed to politically motivated. Norman reminded me of the WW2 generals in his bluster and straight talk.

    I never was a huge Powell fan even before he turned out to be a back stabber.


  97. buzzsawmonkey
    97 | January 10, 2013 9:23 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The videos of Danny Pearl’s and Nick Berg’s beheading and every other atrocity should have been on the whitehouse.gov website.

    The visuals of people jumping to their deaths from the Towers should also have been shown, instead of hidden away on the grounds they were “too graphic.”

    We have a nation that goes to splatter movies for fun. Seeing the real thing is very different—and yes, it is disturbing. It should be. We are creating a nation of wimps where real life is concerned who nonetheless amuse themselves with violence porn. That is a very bad trend.

    Show the damn footage and let people see what we are really fighting in the real world.


  98. Speranza
    98 | January 10, 2013 9:24 pm

    Colin Powell wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I take objection to that. I am the most thoughtful man in America.

    Well General you did not act with honor in the Valerie Plame “kerfuffle” when you allowed Scooter Libby to be falsely accused of things that we know your “man” Richard Armitage was the guilty party.


  99. The Osprey
    99 | January 10, 2013 9:24 pm

    Libs and the media never forgave him for exposing that commie Alger Hiss.
    I like Nixon because unlike Bush he fought back against the media.


  100. 100 | January 10, 2013 9:26 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Hi Rodan, just a reminder, are you going to put Calo and me in touch with one another?

    Check your mail!


  101. 101 | January 10, 2013 9:27 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Libs and the media never forgave him for exposing that commie Alger Hiss.
    I like Nixon because unlike Bush he fought back against the media.

    That is a very valid point and I mentioned that above. Despite my issues with Nixon’s Liberal policies, he did actually fight to win elections. Alger Hiss was his original sin, hence why the Left never accepted Nixon despite his Liberalism.


  102. Speranza
    102 | January 10, 2013 9:27 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    I like Nixon because unlike Bush he fought back against the media.

    Nixon fought like a 4th grade jerk and shot himself in the head. Nixon was emotionally immature (and as he was a liberal that is not surprsing).


  103. eaglesoars
    103 | January 10, 2013 9:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    ARe they really in a bubble?

    More like a time-warp. They think the U.S. still carries a big stick.

    Look at the Benghazi report. Mistakes were made. But nobody made them.

    Speaking of the Nixon admin I remember that Saturday Night massacre -- where men of good conscience actually resigned instead of carrying out orders that would have comprimised their integrity as public servants.

    That’s gone.


  104. Speranza
    104 | January 10, 2013 9:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That is a very valid point and I mentioned that above. Despite my issues with Nixon’s Liberal policies, he did actually fight to win elections. Alger Hiss was his original sin, hence why the Left never accepted Nixon despite his Liberalism.

    Helen Gahagan Douglas was the other Nixon “sin”.


  105. Moe Katz
    105 | January 10, 2013 9:29 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Tx!


  106. Speranza
    106 | January 10, 2013 9:30 pm

    Ray Price one of Nixon’s speechwriters said “The Left could forgive Nixon for being wrong on Alger Hiss, but they could never forgive him for being right” -- which he was.


  107. Speranza
    107 | January 10, 2013 9:36 pm

    Colin Powell wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I take objection to that. I am the most thoughtful man in America.

    How have you spent your 30 pieces of silver?


  108. eaglesoars
    108 | January 10, 2013 9:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Roman legions were the perfect killing machines

    What always has impressed me was their engineering skills. Masada being a prime example.


  109. The Osprey
    109 | January 10, 2013 9:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:

    I like Nixon because unlike Bush he fought back against the media.

    Nixon fought like a 4th grade jerk and shot himself in the head. Nixon was emotionally immature (and as he was a liberal that is not surprsing).

    He got elected twice so he must have been doing something right.


  110. Moe Katz
    110 | January 10, 2013 9:36 pm

    There is only one Ray Price.
    httpvs://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oFrXx8ogI


  111. Moe Katz
    111 | January 10, 2013 9:37 pm

    httpsv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oFrXx8ogI


  112. Moe Katz
    112 | January 10, 2013 9:38 pm


  113. Speranza
    113 | January 10, 2013 9:41 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    The Roman legions were the perfect killing machines

    What always has impressed me was their engineering skills. Masada being a prime example.

    Great fighters, great engineers.


  114. Speranza
    114 | January 10, 2013 9:42 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    The Osprey wrote:
    I like Nixon because unlike Bush he fought back against the media.
    Nixon fought like a 4th grade jerk and shot himself in the head. Nixon was emotionally immature (and as he was a liberal that is not surprsing).

    He got elected twice so he must have been doing something right.

    He barely won in 1968 (Wallace took votes away from Humphrey) and anyone could have beaten McGovern in 1972.


  115. lobo91
    115 | January 10, 2013 9:44 pm

    More Arab Spring goodness:

    Egyptian Cleric Calls For Establishment Of Saudi-Style Islamic Vice Police..

    A televised call by radical Salafi cleric Hisham el-Ashry for the introduction of religious vice police akin to those in Saudi Arabia has many in Egypt concerned, Reuters reports.

    “In order for Egypt to become fully Islamic, alcohol must be banned and all women must be covered,” el-Ashry said amid comments saying he supports the establishment of a police force to enforce Islamic law.

    The cleric lived in New York during the 1990s, and boasts about having brought numerous Christians to Islam.


  116. Speranza
    116 | January 10, 2013 9:46 pm

    Had Nixon won the California governorship in 1962 there would have been no Governor Reagan in 1966 and most probably no President Reagan in 1980.


  117. Speranza
    117 | January 10, 2013 9:47 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Those Egyptian Islamists are a real fun bunch.


  118. Moe Katz
    118 | January 10, 2013 9:47 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Had Nixon won the California governorship in 1962 there would have been no Governor Reagan in 1966 and most probably no President Reagan in 1980.

    And if my grandmother had runways she’d be an airport.


  119. 119 | January 10, 2013 9:49 pm

    Evaluating Nixon’s presidency is hard work for anyone who wants to talk about anything but Watergate. But as much as Nixon provided liberals with a target, it should also be remembered that he gave conservatives an example to avoid too. That’s because Nixon’s principle domestic achievements as president were important milestones in the descent of America into the malaise of big government liberalism.

    This is something we have written in many comments here at the Blogmocracy. EPA, QE, Affirmative Action, Wage and Price Controls, Caps on gasoline prices, and many more. He out Democrated the Democrats, and all it got him was an increase in Vitriol.


  120. Speranza
    120 | January 10, 2013 9:55 pm

    Donald Trump making a hellof a lot of sense on Hannity although I wish Sean Hannity would stop stroking Trump’s ego.

    Trump (paraphrasing “Romney’s son saying that his dad really did not want to be president was a slap in the face for all those who worked so hard for Mitt”.

    “Romney won the first debate and then was told by his handlers ‘dont be so hard the next debates, take it easy on Obama’, was just plain stupid as he virtually disappeared”.

    “Romney failed to resonate because Obama played the ‘rich man/poor man’ strategy on him”.

    “Hurricane Sandy although not the end all, really hurt Romney”.


  121. eaglesoars
    121 | January 10, 2013 9:55 pm

    BWAHAHAHA!! Another high capacity ammunition moment from the MSM.

    More minutes to hunt, meanwhile, might be gained by employing a noise suppressor, those metallic tubes better known as silencers. By muffling the noise generated with every shot by sonic booms and gas release, a silencer would provide a new degree of intimacy for public mass murder, delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moment when someone calls the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from Theater 4 or Classroom D. The same qualities that make silencers the accessory of choice for targeted assassination offer advantages to the armed psychopath set on indiscriminate mass murder

    These people have never fired a weapon with or without a silencer.


  122. Speranza
    122 | January 10, 2013 9:57 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    This is something we have written in many comments here at the Blogmocracy. EPA, QE, Affirmative Action, Wage and Price Controls, Caps on gasoline prices, and many more. He out Democrated the Democrats, and all it got him was an increase in Vitriol.

    As I wrote, he was the last of the New Deal presidents.


  123. 123 | January 10, 2013 9:57 pm

    @ Rodan:

    For how much he was despised by the media, he got great press in both 1968 and in 1972. Our current group of guys and gals need to read how he did it, and copy that technique. And the thing is this, there is a book in print that is a step by step guide on exactly how this worked.


  124. Mars
    124 | January 10, 2013 9:58 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    BWAHAHAHA!! Another high capacity ammunition moment from the MSM.
    More minutes to hunt, meanwhile, might be gained by employing a noise suppressor, those metallic tubes better known as silencers. By muffling the noise generated with every shot by sonic booms and gas release, a silencer would provide a new degree of intimacy for public mass murder, delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moment when someone calls the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from Theater 4 or Classroom D. The same qualities that make silencers the accessory of choice for targeted assassination offer advantages to the armed psychopath set on indiscriminate mass murder
    These people have never fired a weapon with or without a silencer.

    No joke. All it does is change the sound profile of the weapon. I’ve only ever heard one gun actually silenced and it was a bolt action rifle.


  125. eaglesoars
    125 | January 10, 2013 9:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    and then was told by his handlers ‘dont be so hard the next debates, take it easy on Obama’,

    I’m not sure that’s true


  126. Speranza
    126 | January 10, 2013 9:59 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Had Nixon won the California governorship in 1962 there would have been no Governor Reagan in 1966 and most probably no President Reagan in 1980.

    And if my grandmother had runways she’d be an airport.

    And if mi madre had cojones she would be mi padre.


  127. Speranza
    127 | January 10, 2013 10:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    and then was told by his handlers ‘dont be so hard the next debates, take it easy on Obama’,

    I’m not sure that’s true

    Oh I believe it. He went on cruise control and had a terrible second debate. That whole town hall format with Candy Crowley moderating revived Obama. Stupid assholes for agreeing to that format and that moderator. Where was Bret Baier????


  128. Speranza
    128 | January 10, 2013 10:03 pm

    Romney should have brought up Fast & Furious and the BP Oil spill. The Left always brought up Hurricane Katrina.


  129. 129 | January 10, 2013 10:07 pm

    @ Speranza:

    There was sooooooooooooo much left on the table in terms of winning issues it is still making me sick. Obamacare, F and F, Pigford, XL Pipeline, Solyndra, Benghazi, Drill baby Drill, WOT and the loss of Islamic Terrorism from our language, Welfare Reform, Budget, Not having a Budget forever, Spending deficits like water, ……………….


  130. Speranza
    130 | January 10, 2013 10:09 pm

    Trump also said that the GOP should have allowed things to go “over the fiscal cliff, the GOP would get blamed anyway but the Obama voters would really feel some pain”.


  131. 131 | January 10, 2013 10:11 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Trump also said that the GOP should have allowed things to go “over the fiscal cliff, the GOP would get blamed anyway but the Obama voters would really feel some pain”.

    Trump nailed it.


  132. Brick
    132 | January 10, 2013 10:12 pm

    Mars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    BWAHAHAHA!! Another high capacity ammunition moment from the MSM.
    More minutes to hunt, meanwhile, might be gained by employing a noise suppressor, those metallic tubes better known as silencers. By muffling the noise generated with every shot by sonic booms and gas release, a silencer would provide a new degree of intimacy for public mass murder, delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moment when someone calls the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from Theater 4 or Classroom D. The same qualities that make silencers the accessory of choice for targeted assassination offer advantages to the armed psychopath set on indiscriminate mass murder
    These people have never fired a weapon with or without a silencer.

    No joke. All it does is change the sound profile of the weapon. I’ve only ever heard one gun actually silenced and it was a bolt action rifle.

    Target velocity/subsonic .22LR can be shot indoors without hearing protection. No need for a can. CCI quiet, or CB caps for the win.


  133. Speranza
    133 | January 10, 2013 10:12 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    There was sooooooooooooo much left on the table in terms of winning issues it is still making me sick. Obamacare, F and F, Pigford, XL Pipeline, Solyndra, Benghazi, Drill baby Drill, WOT and the loss of Islamic Terrorism from our language, Welfare Reform, Budget, Not having a Budget forever, Spending deficits like water, ……………….

    Yeah and we here at blogmocracy were talking about it constantly, who was advising Romney, John McCain?


  134. Speranza
    134 | January 10, 2013 10:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Trump also said that the GOP should have allowed things to go “over the fiscal cliff, the GOP would get blamed anyway but the Obama voters would really feel some pain”.

    Trump nailed it.

    I was impressed by his analysis, I really was.


  135. Mars
    135 | January 10, 2013 10:16 pm

    @ Brick:
    I wish I could remember what this rifle is. I saw a video at the CATM range while I was in Germany. Very small bolt action rifle, the sound suppresor was integrated, and all you could hear was the bolt slamming forward.

    The gun was chrome with wooden stock. Shorter than a normal rifle too.


  136. Brick
    136 | January 10, 2013 10:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    There was sooooooooooooo much left on the table in terms of winning issues it is still making me sick. Obamacare, F and F, Pigford, XL Pipeline, Solyndra, Benghazi, Drill baby Drill, WOT and the loss of Islamic Terrorism from our language, Welfare Reform, Budget, Not having a Budget forever, Spending deficits like water, ……………….

    Yeah and we here at blogmocracy were talking about it constantly, who was advising Romney, John McCain?

    The final GOP candidates for the last 2 elections did NOT want to win. The ones that did -- were destroyed/vetted out early by the MSM and the ridiculous primary system. It’s all for appearances now.


  137. Brick
    137 | January 10, 2013 10:20 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ Brick:
    I wish I could remember what this rifle is. I saw a video at the CATM range while I was in Germany. Very small bolt action rifle, the sound suppresor was integrated, and all you could hear was the bolt slamming forward.
    The gun was chrome with wooden stock. Shorter than a normal rifle too.

    Not sure what it could have been, but it sounds pretty neat. I like the suppressed .22lrs I’ve seen pictured used by the Israelis for crowd control. Modified 10/22s I believe.


  138. lobo91
    138 | January 10, 2013 10:21 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    What utter crap:

    If the current campaign succeeds in delisting silencers from NFA regulation, the gun lobby likely won’t wait long before targeting the remaining regulatory regimes limiting the circulation of fully automatic machine guns and even hand grenades. Do not be surprised when you see a 2014 Gun World feature extolling freshwater blast fishing as a great way to connect kids and nature, while reducing the risks of fishing with sharp steel hooks, some of which have dangerous double jags. If you can’t see the safety rationale here, or the Freedom Logic that undergirds it, then you obviously do not care about America’s children and their millions of young tender fingers.


  139. Mars
    139 | January 10, 2013 10:24 pm

    http://www.newsmax.com/US/walsh-civil-disobedience-obamacare/2013/01/10/id/470913

    Former Rep. Walsh: ‘We May Have to Shed Blood’ to ‘Preserve Freedoms’

    Thursday, 10 Jan 2013 04:46 PM

    Former Rep. Joe Walsh has told supporters they may have to “shed blood’’ to halt implementation of the Affordable Care Act and new proposed gun regulations, The Hill reports.

    The Republican firebrand said conservatives may have to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” to make a point.

    But he also paraphrased Thomas Jefferson, saying: “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.’’

    Walsh, a tea party favorite, insisted the GOP is losing the “war” for voters, but said he’s “not there yet” on possibly quitting his party.

    “By May, June, July, August, we’re going to have a movement in this state that’s going to scare Republicans and Democrats,” he said.

    Walsh, who lost his re-election bid to Democrat Tammy Duckworth in November, said conservatives are losing to progressives, he said, because “our side doesn’t understand we’re at war.”

    According to DNAInfo Chicago, Walsh said there is a battle between the old values of freedom against the new emphasis on government control.
    “These two Americas are having it out,” he said.

    Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner.


  140. lobo91
    140 | January 10, 2013 10:24 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Supressors are not only readily available but are actually required in some European countries.

    There’s absolutely no reason they should be regulated under the NFA in the first place.


  141. Mars
    141 | January 10, 2013 10:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    What utter crap:
    If the current campaign succeeds in delisting silencers from NFA regulation, the gun lobby likely won’t wait long before targeting the remaining regulatory regimes limiting the circulation of fully automatic machine guns and even hand grenades. Do not be surprised when you see a 2014 Gun World feature extolling freshwater blast fishing as a great way to connect kids and nature, while reducing the risks of fishing with sharp steel hooks, some of which have dangerous double jags. If you can’t see the safety rationale here, or the Freedom Logic that undergirds it, then you obviously do not care about America’s children and their millions of young tender fingers.

    Hey kids look at the strawman. That way we don’t have to confront the actual facts.


  142. eaglesoars
    142 | January 10, 2013 10:28 pm

    @ lobo91:

    then you obviously do not care about America’s children and their millions of young tender fingers.

    yeah, I know. Projection much? We’d much prefer our kids just pull a pin.


  143. eaglesoars
    143 | January 10, 2013 10:32 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The Republican firebrand said conservatives may have to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” to make a point.

    Greta just covered a radio interview our attorney general (Virginia) Ken Cuccenelli gave yesterday. He’s Catholic. He said he was talking to his bishop who told him “I’m ready to go to jail”. Cuccenelli told him “Don’t take this personally but you NEED to go to jail. People need to see this stuff going down”

    I’m afraid he’s right.


  144. 144 | January 10, 2013 10:34 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I wish more in the GOP thought like him.


  145. lobo91
    145 | January 10, 2013 10:34 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m afraid he’s right.

    So am I.


  146. AZfederalist
    146 | January 10, 2013 10:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Supressors are not only readily available but are actually required in some European countries.

    There’s absolutely no reason they should be regulated under the NFA in the first place.

    Do suppressors also reduce concussion? I’m recovering from retinal tear/detachment and will need to be careful about the amount of concussion I subject the eye to. I’m thinking a suppressor on the AR may be a means of being able to keep shooting. Hmmm, maybe there’s an access argument to be made against outlawing suppressors.


  147. eaglesoars
    147 | January 10, 2013 10:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m afraid he’s right.

    So am I.

    I think it was on the thread downstairs I posted that the Catholic Church will NOT back down. When they cart Timothy Cardinal Dolan off to jail, things are going to get really REALLY weird.


  148. lobo91
    148 | January 10, 2013 10:42 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Are you talking about recoil or muzzle blast?

    A supressor in and of itself won’t reduce felt recoil, but in order for it to work properly, you have to use it with subsonic ammo, which would probably have lower recoil.


  149. eaglesoars
    149 | January 10, 2013 10:45 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Do suppressors also reduce concussion?

    Not by much. The decibel level is decreased by only 25% or so, so even if the concussive force were decreased by that amount, I wouldn’t risk my eyesight for it.


  150. AZfederalist
    150 | January 10, 2013 10:46 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    When they cart Timothy Cardinal Dolan off to jail, things are going to get really REALLY weird.

    I seem to recall another regime doing similar things. Back in the 30′s IIRC. Soviets did similar things starting in the late teens.


  151. eaglesoars
    151 | January 10, 2013 10:49 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    When they cart Timothy Cardinal Dolan off to jail, things are going to get really REALLY weird.

    I seem to recall another regime doing similar things. Back in the 30′s IIRC. Soviets did similar things starting in the late teens.

    I read a quip the other day and I’m sorry I can’t remember where.

    “I saw a movie once where only the police and the military had guns. It was called Schindler’s List.”


  152. AZfederalist
    152 | January 10, 2013 10:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ AZfederalist:

    Are you talking about recoil or muzzle blast?

    A supressor in and of itself won’t reduce felt recoil, but in order for it to work properly, you have to use it with subsonic ammo, which would probably have lower recoil.

    Concussion from muzzle blast. I don’t think recoil will be an issue. So subsonic ammo is needed for a suppressor to work properly? I did not know that. I need to see what my 223 ammo is rated at for muzzle velocity.


  153. Brick
    153 | January 10, 2013 10:50 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    When they cart Timothy Cardinal Dolan off to jail, things are going to get really REALLY weird.
    I seem to recall another regime doing similar things. Back in the 30′s IIRC. Soviets did similar things starting in the late teens.

    The question is…if it happens…will anyone see it? A media sympathetic to the regime’s cause -- would give it the same air time it gave F&F.


  154. eaglesoars
    154 | January 10, 2013 10:55 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Concussion from muzzle blast.

    lobo’s point about the ammo is well taken. also keep in mind -- outside or in an enclosed space? I’ve only stood next to a silenced weapon and that was outside.


  155. lobo91
    155 | January 10, 2013 10:55 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Concussion from muzzle blast. I don’t think recoil will be an issue. So subsonic ammo is needed for a suppressor to work properly? I did not know that. I need to see what my 223 ammo is rated at for muzzle velocity.

    It would have to be less than 1126 fps. Standard .223 ammo is well above that. Usually around 3,000 fps.


  156. Mars
    156 | January 10, 2013 10:59 pm

    Found it! Except the one I saw was chrome.


  157. Brick
    157 | January 10, 2013 10:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ AZfederalist:
    Concussion from muzzle blast. I don’t think recoil will be an issue. So subsonic ammo is needed for a suppressor to work properly? I did not know that. I need to see what my 223 ammo is rated at for muzzle velocity.
    It would have to be less than 1126 fps. Standard .223 ammo is well above that. Usually around 3,000 fps.

    Yep. You could work up a handload to do that…but it’s tougher I think to work velocity down, than up.


  158. lobo91
    158 | January 10, 2013 11:00 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    There’s a reason the most common pistol round used with a suppressor is a .45ACP. It’s all subsonic.

    9mm subsonic ammo is readily available. There is subsonic 5.56, and even 7.62x51, but it’s less common.


  159. AZfederalist
    159 | January 10, 2013 11:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Do suppressors also reduce concussion?

    Not by much. The decibel level is decreased by only 25% or so, so even if the concussive force were decreased by that amount, I wouldn’t risk my eyesight for it.

    Oh, believe me, I have no intention of taking that kind of risk. If this third surgery has been successful, I will thank The Lord for his grace in healing this eye and will not be taking anything for granted.

    That’ why I’m asking questions; I’m trying to find out what safe options may be available. I won’t be doing anything without consulting with my ophthalmologist.


  160. lobo91
    160 | January 10, 2013 11:01 pm

    @ Brick:

    Biggest problem using subsonic 5.56 in an AR would be getting the action to cycle reliably.


  161. Brick
    161 | January 10, 2013 11:02 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Found it! Except the one I saw was chrome.

    .45acp….that’s pretty slick. :)


  162. AZfederalist
    162 | January 10, 2013 11:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Concussion from muzzle blast.

    lobo’s point about the ammo is well taken. also keep in mind — outside or in an enclosed space? I’ve only stood next to a silenced weapon and that was outside.

    This will be outside. What impact does a suppressor have on range and accuracy?


  163. lobo91
    163 | January 10, 2013 11:03 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    A local cop was firing an MP-5SD at the indoor range where I shoot one afternoon. That has an integrated suppressor.

    On full auto with subsonic ammo, it sounded like a sewing machine.


  164. Mars
    164 | January 10, 2013 11:05 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Found it! Except the one I saw was chrome.

    .45acp….that’s pretty slick.

    When you hear it without the background firing it is unbelievable. I’ve heard other guns with silencers and they just sound different. That thing all I can hear is the bolt.


  165. eaglesoars
    165 | January 10, 2013 11:05 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    If this third surgery has been successful

    Hubby had his twice before it ‘took’. Just be patient. However if YOU were Hubby, I’d tell you to knock it off until you are completely healed.

    {AZ}


  166. Mars
    166 | January 10, 2013 11:05 pm

    @ Brick:
    Apparently the new repros use an unmodified 1911 magazine.


  167. Brick
    167 | January 10, 2013 11:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Biggest problem using subsonic 5.56 in an AR would be getting the action to cycle reliably.

    I was thinking bolt action. The extra strength in the receiver would give a little more buffer. I’m just paranoid of light loads going kaboom.


  168. lobo91
    168 | January 10, 2013 11:07 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    This will be outside. What impact does a suppressor have on range and accuracy?

    Significantly decreased velocity is going to reduce range some.

    Accuracy shouldn’t be affected from one round to the next, but subsonic ammo isn’t going to hit the same point as standard ammo with the same gun, so you’d have to sight it in using that ammo. Might be affected more by crosswinds, too.


  169. AZfederalist
    169 | January 10, 2013 11:09 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Thanks. :-)


  170. eaglesoars
    170 | January 10, 2013 11:10 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    What impact does a suppressor have on range and accuracy?

    No clue. I’ve only observed, never used.

    lobo91 wrote:

    On full auto with subsonic ammo, it sounded like a sewing machine.

    Oh, yeah, that’s EXACTLY what I want! pfft.

    Nope, even if I miss, yer gonna shit your pants.

    Interesting, but I don’t get the point of something like that. Unless there is pre-existing hearing damage.


  171. lobo91
    171 | January 10, 2013 11:13 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Interesting, but I don’t get the point of something like that. Unless there is pre-existing hearing damage.

    The MP-5SD is widely used by special ops, SWAT, etc. Sometimes it’s nice to be able to not alert the whole building full of bad guys at once.


  172. eaglesoars
    172 | January 10, 2013 11:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The MP-5SD is widely used by special ops, SWAT, etc. Sometimes it’s nice to be able to not alert the whole building full of bad guys at once.

    Oh, ok, you’re talking battlefield conditions. I’m talking about protecting the Fat Beagle -- and my own skinny ass


  173. Brick
    173 | January 10, 2013 11:16 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:
    What impact does a suppressor have on range and accuracy?
    No clue. I’ve only observed, never used.
    lobo91 wrote:
    On full auto with subsonic ammo, it sounded like a sewing machine.
    Oh, yeah, that’s EXACTLY what I want! pfft.
    Nope, even if I miss, yer gonna shit your pants.
    Interesting, but I don’t get the point of something like that. Unless there is pre-existing hearing damage.

    If shooting indoors, quiet is better. It’s hard to have a conversation with the 911 operator when all you can hear is a high pitched ringing.


  174. lobo91
    174 | January 10, 2013 11:18 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Oh, ok, you’re talking battlefield conditions. I’m talking about protecting the Fat Beagle — and my own skinny ass

    You can’t buy one of those, anyway. You can get a standard MP-5, if you’ve got a truckload of cash (or maybe a nice truck to trade for it). Last one I saw for sale was $17,000.


  175. Brick
    175 | January 10, 2013 11:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Oh, ok, you’re talking battlefield conditions. I’m talking about protecting the Fat Beagle — and my own skinny ass
    You can’t buy one of those, anyway. You can get a standard MP-5, if you’ve got a truckload of cash (or maybe a nice truck to trade for it). Last one I saw for sale was $17,000.

    All the cool toys are always way out of budget. :(


  176. eaglesoars
    176 | January 10, 2013 11:22 pm

    Brick wrote:

    It’s hard to have a conversation with the 911 operator when all you can hear is a high pitched ringing.

    That particular scenario has been considered and dealt with. I push a button. If I’m home alone, it’s worn around my neck.

    :evil:


  177. eaglesoars
    177 | January 10, 2013 11:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Last one I saw for sale was $17,000.

    Did I tell you about the last time I was in Nordstrom’s? No?

    If I had $17K to toss, it would be for mink.


  178. lobo91
    179 | January 10, 2013 11:27 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    If I win the lottery, I’ll buy one. German submachine guns are just as nice as their cars.


  179. Mars
    180 | January 10, 2013 11:27 pm

    http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013/01/09/building-a-generation-of-im-all-that/?subscriber=1

    Expansion on todays hipster article. We are now in the age of narcissism. No wonder they want to remove NPD from the DSM, it’s not considered a mental illness anymore it’s a way of life for far too many people in this country. They vote for the won because they see themselves in him.


  180. eaglesoars
    181 | January 10, 2013 11:30 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We are now in the age of narcissism.

    Earlier today someone -- I think it was unclassifiable -- suggested that article for a thread. I think it’s a good idea.


  181. lobo91
    182 | January 10, 2013 11:32 pm

    @ Mars:

    I saw that coming years ago. We have a generation of kids who have been told that they’re “special” since the day they were born, played sports where nobody kept score, and think that cutting and pasting from the internet equals learning.


  182. Lily
    183 | January 10, 2013 11:32 pm

    @ Mars:

    I have to agree with you Mars…there are too many people who are self-centered and have no idea of thinking about someone else before themselves. It is a shame really that this is going on.


  183. lobo91
    184 | January 10, 2013 11:32 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I agree.


  184. Lily
    185 | January 10, 2013 11:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    When my sons were playing sports it was the parents that was more concerned about being fair. The kids wanted to win and knew when they were losing or winning and they didn’t want to lose. This is the adults fault in my opinion.


  185. eaglesoars
    186 | January 10, 2013 11:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    If I win the lottery, I’ll buy one. German submachine guns are just as nice as their cars.

    Will you buy me that SUB-2000 carbine? I’ll cook dinner……….

    (Look yer gettin off easy -- if dorian wins the lottery I’m asking for a ‘vette -- in canary yellow)

    :wink:


  186. Calo
    187 | January 10, 2013 11:38 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Blasphemy!@ eaglesoars:
    And to you as well.


  187. Lily
    188 | January 10, 2013 11:38 pm

    @ Mars:

    Where I saw a huge problem was the emo teenagers they were all about themselves and their parents let them wallow in this stage. They cut themselves, they wore nothing but black and then wondered why people stared at them. The emo’s in my opinion was the worst. Because it was all about themselves. What I couldn’t understand was parents allowing this type of behavior. They just chalked it up as a stage they were going through. Wrong, it stuck.


  188. eaglesoars
    189 | January 10, 2013 11:41 pm

    Lily wrote:

    This is the adults fault in my opinion.

    From what I’ve seen -- and I mean observed personally, as I don’t have children -- this comes from parents competing among THEMSELVES. My kid is more special than yours.The kids are proxy trophies. If they get into Harvard, the credit rebounds on the parents.


  189. Lily
    190 | January 10, 2013 11:42 pm

    Dammit…talking about emo’s and again I have killed the thread. Well I must be getting better, my mojo is back. :(


  190. eaglesoars
    191 | January 10, 2013 11:43 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Blasphemy!@ eaglesoars:
    And to you as well.

    WHAT?! What did we do wrong? Oh, crap, Calo is pissed…….


  191. Mars
    192 | January 10, 2013 11:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Where I saw a huge problem was the emo teenagers they were all about themselves and their parents let them wallow in this stage. They cut themselves, they wore nothing but black and then wondered why people stared at them. The emo’s in my opinion was the worst. Because it was all about themselves. What I couldn’t understand was parents allowing this type of behavior. They just chalked it up as a stage they were going through. Wrong, it stuck.

    Reposted from this morning.


  192. Lily
    193 | January 10, 2013 11:44 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    This is the adults fault in my opinion.
    From what I’ve seen — and I mean observed personally, as I don’t have children — this comes from parents competing among THEMSELVES. My kid is more special than yours.The kids are proxy trophies. If they get into Harvard, the credit rebounds on the parents.

    Indeed in a lot of cases this is what is going on. Adults living through their children…but there was also adults letting their kids get away with anything too. So you had a couple of things going on with the adults.


  193. Calo
    194 | January 10, 2013 11:50 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    For not being a parent, you are very astute.


  194. lobo91
    195 | January 10, 2013 11:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Dammit…talking about emo’s and again I have killed the thread. Well I must be getting better, my mojo is back.

    Sorry…I was distracted. I actually got a response to an email I sent someone on Match.com.

    That’s a rare occurence…


  195. Lily
    197 | January 10, 2013 11:51 pm

    @ Mars:


  196. Lily
    198 | January 10, 2013 11:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    WOW! Congratulations!!!! Hope it works out!


  197. Calo
    199 | January 10, 2013 11:55 pm

    @ Lily:
    Ditto.

    Would like to see nothing more for you, Lobo.


  198. rain of lead
    200 | January 10, 2013 11:56 pm

    hey ya’ll
    just something to make you go hmmmm
    then i’m out
    been a long week and I am beat up, sore and tired

    http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Tocqueville-in-China

    the People’s Republic embarked on a path to commercial development that flew in the face of the indoctrination that the Communist Party in China had drummed into the long-suffering people of that country for the previous four decades. The contradiction between what the party had preached and what it came to practice could not have been more flagrant, and it seemed to me that it was, in the process, subverting its own legitimacy.

    All that it would take, I argued, would be an economic downturn — and the place would blow up. Beneath the surface, deep resentment of the inequalities that came with economic growth was becoming pervasive, and this resentment was bound to be reinforced by the fact that — given the level of government control and the profound familial orientation of traditional Chinese culture — the party would quickly turn into a crony-capitalist cabal, as the descendants of famous communist revolutionaries enriched themselves and displayed their ill-gotten lucre in ostentatiously obnoxioux ways. All of this might be tolerated as long as rapid economic growth continued and nearly everyone profited. But, I contended, if and when a contraction takes place, if and when unemployment grows, if and when the dreams of ordinary Chinese are dashed, there will be hell to pay.

    I mention all of this — not only because I think and have long thought the analogy apt, but because I am clearly no longer alone. The article to which I linked above indicates that Tocqueville’s minor masterpiece is now the rage in China and that senior figures in the Communist Party there are recommending that party functionaries read it.

    Take this piece of information and ruminate on it, and consider it in light of the recent scandals — which threatened to reach into the Politburo itself. If Tocqueville’s book is being read, it is because at least some of the men who rule China are wondering whether their country is near a tipping point — in which a seemingly minor event (the self-immolation of a Tunisian street vendor, for example) sets off a conflagration.

    Twenty-three years ago, at the time of Tiananmen Square, China very nearly came apart. Some Chinese, who know a lot more than I do about the state of affairs in their country, evidently think that it may do so again, and the very fact that are contemplating such a nightmare suggests that it may be on the horizon. If and when such a regime stops delivering the goods — even if only for a short time — there will be a fury unleashed.

    yeah, we aint the only country in the world and we ain’t the only ones
    who have troubles


  199. eaglesoars
    201 | January 10, 2013 11:57 pm

    From the article:

    On Facebook, young people can fool themselves into thinking they have hundreds or thousands of “friends.” They can delete unflattering comments. They can block anyone who disagrees with them or pokes holes in their inflated self-esteem. They can choose to show the world only flattering, sexy or funny photographs of themselves (dozens of albums full, by the way), “speak” in pithy short posts and publicly connect to movie stars and professional athletes and musicians they “like.”

    Social media didn’t flower until long after the self-esteem movement took hold. It simply acted as an accelerator on an already lit fire.

    Case in point: social media has contributed to an increase in bullying and teen suicide as a result of that bullying.

    Bullying is not new. When I was in school -- before god started making dirt -- there was something called ‘slam books’. Every page had someone’s name at the top and anonymous snarky comments written on the remainder of the page. They got passed around during lunch in the cafeteria and on the school bus. ONLY THE GIRLS DID THIS.

    The difference I see is that a slam book died at the end of the term. The internet is forever. These kids see no light at the end of the tunnel.


  200. lobo91
    202 | January 10, 2013 11:59 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ Calo:

    Hopefully, she’s not crazy.

    Why is it that I seem to attract that type?


  201. Lily
    203 | January 11, 2013 12:00 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Hey rain! No need to run off too soon! Hope everything is going well with you and your family! :)


  202. rain of lead
    204 | January 11, 2013 12:01 am

    @ lobo91:

    maybe she’s only just slightly crazy
    that would be ok.right?

    night all


  203. eaglesoars
    205 | January 11, 2013 12:01 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    For not being a parent, you are very astute.

    I didn’t say I didn’t raise any, now did I? I had a stepdaughter from when she was 11 thru 18. I learned a lot just from watching her scum bag parents -- until I divorced her dad. She and I stayed in touch for awhile.


  204. Lily
    206 | January 11, 2013 12:02 am

    @ lobo91:

    My brother is the same way. LOL! Just take it slow so you can get to know her..is the best way to see if she is crazy. But I’m guessing she isn’t! ;)


  205. rain of lead
    207 | January 11, 2013 12:03 am

    @ Lily:

    hey lily
    yeah we’re good
    the young lady (can’t call her a girl anymore) got her report card
    today straight a’s as usual and free krispy kreme doughnuts


  206. Calo
    208 | January 11, 2013 12:05 am

    @ rain of lead:
    Night Rain

    Kiss your better half like you mean it.


  207. rain of lead
    209 | January 11, 2013 12:06 am

    @ Calo:

    :-)

    nite all


  208. Lily
    210 | January 11, 2013 12:07 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    This is the new reality and can be very hurtful and dangerous too. Plus it can be too much of putting their selfs out there for all to see. Kids now days are too plugged in and tuned out also. Some live in their own made up world. I’m glad the internet didn’t exist when I was a teenager….I can just imagine the hell I would have gone through. The phone was enough. Not to mention was outside more than I was inside.


  209. lobo91
    211 | January 11, 2013 12:07 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    maybe she’s only just slightly crazy
    that would be ok.right?

    night all

    Not all crazy is bad, I suppose…


  210. Lily
    212 | January 11, 2013 12:08 am

    @ rain of lead:

    You must be very proud!!!! I would be! Glad to hear things are going well too! :)


  211. eaglesoars
    213 | January 11, 2013 12:09 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Why is it that I seem to attract that type?

    I could probably count off the reasons but I’d have to take my socks off.


  212. Mars
    214 | January 11, 2013 12:10 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    We are now in the age of narcissism.
    Earlier today someone — I think it was unclassifiable — suggested that article for a thread. I think it’s a good idea.

    Article now written and in pending.


  213. lobo91
    215 | January 11, 2013 12:10 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Why is it that I seem to attract that type?

    I could probably count off the reasons but I’d have to take my socks off.

    Hmm…


  214. eaglesoars
    216 | January 11, 2013 12:11 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    today straight a’s as usual

    I was a pretty good student but I never pulled that off…kudos to the young lady


  215. eaglesoars
    217 | January 11, 2013 12:12 am

    Mars wrote:

    Article now written and in pending.

    Oh good -- that will be fun. I’ll check in tomorrow morning -- have to go to bed soon.


  216. Lily
    218 | January 11, 2013 12:13 am

    @ lobo91:

    Never know lobo….and boy this song brings back memories for me when I was in my late teens!


  217. lobo91
    219 | January 11, 2013 12:14 am

    Well, there certainly aren’t going to be any outdoor activities this weekend.

    Saturday’s high is supposed to be 16.


  218. Calo
    220 | January 11, 2013 12:14 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:
    today straight a’s as usual
    I was a pretty good student but I never pulled that off…kudos to the young lady

    Your student days hark back a few eons ago?

    I forget these things.


  219. Mars
    221 | January 11, 2013 12:14 am

    Yep, last day with my kids, have to send them off to school and they get picked up by their mother in the afternoon.

    Just not looking forward to the med battle tomorrow with my youngest. Just started ADHD meds and somehow finds himself unable to swallow even half a tiny little pill.

    Night all.


  220. Lily
    222 | January 11, 2013 12:15 am

    @ Mars:

    Looking forward to it. I love those types of articles. ;)


  221. Lily
    224 | January 11, 2013 12:16 am

    @ Mars:

    Nite Mars….my oldest was like that. He would throw-up any and all meds when he was in elementary school. I had to get creative when he got sick.


  222. lobo91
    225 | January 11, 2013 12:17 am

    @ Mars:

    Just not looking forward to the med battle tomorrow with my youngest. Just started ADHD meds and somehow finds himself unable to swallow even half a tiny little pill.

    Try peanut butter.

    //Works for Leia…


  223. eaglesoars
    226 | January 11, 2013 12:18 am

    Calo wrote:

    Your student days hark back a few eons ago?

    heh. I’m 60 yrs old


  224. Calo
    227 | January 11, 2013 12:19 am

    @ lobo91:
    You are very astute for not having kids.


  225. lobo91
    228 | January 11, 2013 12:19 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    Your student days hark back a few eons ago?

    heh. I’m 60 yrs old

    I feel like I’m 60 lately…


  226. Lily
    229 | January 11, 2013 12:20 am

    Feel like music for some reason. ;)


  227. Calo
    230 | January 11, 2013 12:20 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    :lol:

    Just teasing you tonight eagles.

    Thank you for taking it in stride.


  228. eaglesoars
    231 | January 11, 2013 12:20 am

    Mars wrote:

    Just started ADHD meds and somehow finds himself unable to swallow even half a tiny little pill.

    see if he can drink it down -- swallow the liquid, not the pill.


  229. lobo91
    232 | January 11, 2013 12:21 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    You are very astute for not having kids.

    Dogs…kids…same thing


  230. Calo
    233 | January 11, 2013 12:24 am

    @ lobo91:
    Exercise, discipline and then love.

    In that order.


  231. lobo91
    234 | January 11, 2013 12:26 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Exercise, discipline and then love.

    In that order.

    And peanut butter-filled pretzels.


  232. Lily
    235 | January 11, 2013 12:27 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Calo wrote:
    Your student days hark back a few eons ago?
    heh. I’m 60 yrs old
    I feel like I’m 60 lately…

    Dear heavens lobo! You are younger than me!!!!! The doctor said the outside of me looks like 30 but my insides are in their 70′s! Oh yeah that was a pick me up. I’m 53 ….try and enjoy what you can…look for the little things that will pick you up you don’t want to have to go through some life altering event to remind you trust me. One day at a time. I was reading my Bible the other day…the definition of LOVE hit me hard. Love is the most powerful. Healing. Patient. Doesn’t hold grudges. Erases many sins. Is healing. After I read it..I really took notice of things I hadn’t before. It meant something very powerful. And in my opinion was the single main reason for me still being here.


  233. eaglesoars
    236 | January 11, 2013 12:29 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    I feel like I’m 60 lately…

    I know people think aging is so much more difficult for women than it is for men. I don’t think so.

    For women the expectations are so much lower than they were when we were young and drop-dead pretty or just too cute. There is a huge release in that. We’re done with that crap. If I need help getting something off a grocery shelf I go find the cutest guy in the store and ask -- and nobody thinks I’m hitting on him. If I yell at high school kids on their lunch break at Wendy’s, they know I’m serious and I WILL kick their ass. I’m everybody’s mother/grandmother and that’s not a bad cultural slot to be put in.


  234. Calo
    237 | January 11, 2013 12:30 am

    @ Lily:
    Crap, Lily is trying to pick up Lobo.

    Lobo loves Leia.

    And Leia only wants peanut butter and kicked Lily to the curb.


  235. Calo
    238 | January 11, 2013 12:32 am

    And,Eagle is kicking all our asses across the room tonight.

    Where is Bunk?


  236. Lily
    239 | January 11, 2013 12:34 am

    @ Calo:

    Got my rear kicked again didn’t I???? ;)


  237. eaglesoars
    240 | January 11, 2013 12:36 am

    Calo wrote:

    Crap, Lily is trying to pick up Lobo.

    she’s secretely married to heysoos…..they have the best fights EVEH


  238. lobo91
    241 | January 11, 2013 12:37 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I know people think aging is so much more difficult for women than it is for men. I don’t think so.

    When I wrote that, I was mostly thinking about joint pains and stuff, mostly related to my time in uniform. There’s a reason military personnel can retire after 20 years. Of course, they screwed me out of that…

    I know that a lot of women over 40 or so feel like they become “invisible” to men, somehow. I pretty much feel the same way most of the time, so I understand the concept.


  239. Lily
    242 | January 11, 2013 12:38 am

    An oldie from my teens again…


  240. Lily
    243 | January 11, 2013 12:41 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    Crap, Lily is trying to pick up Lobo.
    she’s secretely married to heysoos…..they have the best fights EVEH

    Hush your mouth! OMG!!!!!!!!!!
    /but I must admit looks like a good business venture…maybe we could sell tickets? It’s a thought. LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! ;)


  241. Lily
    244 | January 11, 2013 12:44 am


  242. lobo91
    245 | January 11, 2013 12:44 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Did you get a chance to watch the season premiere of Justified yet?


  243. lobo91
    246 | January 11, 2013 12:46 am

    My life would be much better with Elmore Leonard dialogue…


  244. Lily
    247 | January 11, 2013 12:46 am

    Is it just me and lobo????


  245. Calo
    248 | January 11, 2013 12:47 am

    @ Lily:
    ROLFLMAO


  246. eaglesoars
    249 | January 11, 2013 12:47 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    I know that a lot of women over 40 or so feel like they become “invisible” to men, somehow

    And these are the women who do not know how to appreciate men. Far too many women think of men in terms of validating THEM instead of thinking of men as the most fascinating creatures on the planet.

    Which, frankly, they are.

    I was disgusted at the faux outrage over that sports caster’s comments about the Alabama quarterback’s girlfriend being beautiful. Find me a man who doesn’t get knocked off his feet by that woman or is afraid to say so. I want and admire unrepentant testosterone. Hubby comments frequently how stunning he thinks Andrea Tanteros is. He’s 72. When he stops noticing or stops caring I hope it’s because he’s not breathing.


  247. Lily
    250 | January 11, 2013 12:47 am

    @ lobo91:

    Just be you. Your smart. Your kind. Those are things you don’t see all the time. ;)


  248. lobo91
    251 | January 11, 2013 12:48 am

    Lily wrote:

    Is it just me and lobo????

    Leia’s still here, too.

    I’m watching a Poison show from a few years ago.

    Leia doesn’t want to dance.


  249. Lily
    252 | January 11, 2013 12:50 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Have to agree…let men be men. Of course with some manners. But not girly manners …men manners. ;)


  250. lobo91
    253 | January 11, 2013 12:50 am


  251. eaglesoars
    254 | January 11, 2013 12:50 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Did you get a chance to watch the season premiere of Justified yet?

    YESS!! I LOVED it! The only thing I’m missing is ‘place’. I picked up -- I think -- Harlan County. Is this taking place in Kentucky?


  252. CynicalConservative
    255 | January 11, 2013 12:51 am

    I’m here, but being the /lurk /galt doesn’t add up to much.

    /galt


  253. lobo91
    256 | January 11, 2013 12:52 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Megyn Kelly had Kirstin Powers and Monica Crowley on yesterday to talk about that.

    All three of them thought the whole thing was nuts.


  254. Lily
    257 | January 11, 2013 12:52 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    ROLFLMAO

    Perfect song….for that comment!


  255. Calo
    258 | January 11, 2013 12:52 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    Ditto eagle.

    Men appreciate and are biologically attuned to appreciate beauty.

    Women are wired a bit differently.


  256. lobo91
    259 | January 11, 2013 12:53 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    YESS!! I LOVED it! The only thing I’m missing is ‘place’. I picked up — I think — Harlan County. Is this taking place in Kentucky?

    You haven’t seen the first 3 seasons?

    Yes, it’s Harlan County.


  257. Calo
    260 | January 11, 2013 12:55 am

    @ CynicalConservative:
    A 3 peat please, before I ask you about which nail polish to use tonight.


  258. lobo91
    261 | January 11, 2013 12:55 am

    @ Calo:

    Women are wired a bit differently.

    Women are supposed to be wired to appreciate someone who would be a good provider.

    But feminists have spent the past 40 years reprogramming them.


  259. AZfederalist
    262 | January 11, 2013 12:55 am

    Lily wrote:

    Is it just me and lobo????

    Nah, the rest of us are just watching. ;-)

    As far as pretty women, on a whim, Mrs Federalist and I decided to take a peek at Double Divas since nothing else was on that we haven’t seen already (when you are stuck in one position for weeks on end, you watch lots of TV). They were fitting some dude with something for his moobs. We got out of that one quick and moved on to Rocket City Rednecks.


  260. lobo91
    263 | January 11, 2013 12:56 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I loved the scene where the hooker shot the judge who was wearing the bear costume.


  261. Lily
    264 | January 11, 2013 12:58 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ CynicalConservative:
    A 3 peat please, before I ask you about which nail polish to use tonight.

    Well the answer of course would be red. ;)
    /and you know I live by that. 8-)


  262. lobo91
    265 | January 11, 2013 12:59 am

    “He’s the Judge Executive. What’s he gonna do? Tell everyone he was shot in a whorehouse wearing a bear costume?”


  263. lobo91
    266 | January 11, 2013 1:02 am

    I’ve decided that I want to be Raylan Givens when I grow up.

    But I don’t want to live in eastern Kentucky.


  264. Lily
    267 | January 11, 2013 1:03 am

    @ AZfederalist:

    Oh my!!!!! I saw previews of that show but they never showed a man! Yeah I know the feeling. I’m stuck on the couch. Let’s see…I have gone through all 5 seasons of Sons of Anarchy (excellent show..but not for the faint of heart)…I have gone through all 7 seasons of The Shield (very good I must say)….now something for you and your wife an excellent show which I’m watching now just one season but wraps up real well Moonlight (my husband loved it and so did I) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0955346/

    Tonight I giving a whirl on the computer. ;)


  265. eaglesoars
    268 | January 11, 2013 1:04 am

    Calo wrote:

    Women are wired a bit differently.

    Bullshit. The definition of beauty in terms of instinct/biology may be different.

    ‘Feminists’ have given us the ‘metro-sexual’ -- who get their chests waxed blah blah blah.

    The triggers are different -- that’s all. I want a thread on the destruction of masculinity by commie feminists.

    Does anyone really think of Obama as terribly masculine? No. Zip once posted a side-by-side photo of Reagan jumping a horse next to Obama riding a girl bike, in mom jeans, wearing a helmet. I printed it and framed it. It’s on my desk.


  266. Calo
    269 | January 11, 2013 1:04 am

    @ lobo91:
    Might be the problem tonight, you want it all and will give up nothing.


  267. Lily
    270 | January 11, 2013 1:05 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’ve decided that I want to be Raylan Givens when I grow up.
    But I don’t want to live in eastern Kentucky.

    Oh Kentucky is a pretty state now. ;)
    /at least you aren’t wanting to grow up to be a Ninja Turtle.


  268. eaglesoars
    271 | January 11, 2013 1:06 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    You haven’t seen the first 3 seasons?

    Nope. I’m going to order the DVD. Way too good to pass up. This stuff is on the order of Lonesome Dove.


  269. eaglesoars
    272 | January 11, 2013 1:08 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Women are supposed to be wired to appreciate someone who would be a good provider.PROTECTOR

    There is no providing w/o protection.


  270. lobo91
    273 | January 11, 2013 1:08 am

    @ eaglesoars:


  271. lobo91
    274 | January 11, 2013 1:09 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    You haven’t seen the first 3 seasons?

    Nope. I’m going to order the DVD. Way too good to pass up. This stuff is on the order of Lonesome Dove.

    Pretty much my favorite show since Miami Vice.


  272. Calo
    275 | January 11, 2013 1:10 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    What are you talking about?

    I like metrosexuals because I said women were wired to like things in men different than beauty?


  273. lobo91
    276 | January 11, 2013 1:11 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Might be the problem tonight, you want it all and will give up nothing.


  274. Lily
    277 | January 11, 2013 1:12 am

    @ lobo91:

    Some of the actors in that show were in the Shield.


  275. eaglesoars
    278 | January 11, 2013 1:13 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    What are you talking about?

    I like metrosexuals because I said women were wired to like things in men different than beauty?

    Sorry -- I wasn’t clear I guess.

    Metrosexuals are de-masculine-ized. They are not feminine -- they are just neutered.


  276. AZfederalist
    279 | January 11, 2013 1:16 am

    @ Lily:

    Thanks, we’ll have to look into that. The iPad has been really good for this since I can read and post while still properly positioned; it is kind of hard on the arm using the keypad from laying on my side, so postings are slow, but do-able.


  277. Lily
    280 | January 11, 2013 1:18 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    What are you talking about?
    I like metrosexuals because I said women were wired to like things in men different than beauty?

    Yep…real women like real men. Men are attracted by looks…women are attracted by different things…how the man handles himself…looks too but not in the way men do….the arms or the legs or the way the man carries himself. Women want someone who is gentle but tough at the same time. Men go straight for looks and sometimes go for women that just aren’t right for them. Women too do this…but smart women know that when looking for a man they need to not only go with their hearts but also use their brains. Personality also matters to a woman. Men well ….will always shoot for a beauty queen …..until they realize that isn’t the real deal at times.


  278. lobo91
    281 | January 11, 2013 1:20 am

    I love this promo from last year’s Superbowl:


  279. Lily
    282 | January 11, 2013 1:22 am

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Thanks, we’ll have to look into that. The iPad has been really good for this since I can read and post while still properly positioned; it is kind of hard on the arm using the keypad from laying on my side, so postings are slow, but do-able.

    Don’t know what type of shows you like but if you haven’t seen these 3 shows ….wow you are in for a treat. And there is 3 seasons of Justified too out there. Good show also. I have months until I get better. I’ll be really onto a lot of shows.


  280. lobo91
    283 | January 11, 2013 1:25 am

    @ Lily:

    Men well ….will always shoot for a beauty queen …..until they realize that isn’t the real deal at times.

    I’d just like to find someone reasonably attractive who isn’t evil. Or crazy.

    I don’t need a beauty queen.


  281. Lily
    284 | January 11, 2013 1:27 am

    @ lobo91:

    Then look for personality. If a woman has a great one…they look beautiful despiste their faults. Someone is out there for you!


  282. eaglesoars
    285 | January 11, 2013 1:28 am

    Lily wrote:

    I’ll be really onto a lot of shows.

    Have youtried 24? I got addicted.


  283. lobo91
    286 | January 11, 2013 1:28 am

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Some of the actors in that show were in the Shield.

    have you seen Vegas on CBS?

    Michael Chiklis is in that.


  284. AZfederalist
    287 | January 11, 2013 1:28 am

    @ Lily:

    Wife likes CSI. I’m more into Duck Dynasty, Storage Wars, etc for fun and Military Channel type shows for information. Also Velocity channel shows. But they haven’t been showing their usual fare lately. They’ve been doing nature shows instead; not sure what’s up with that. Have also been using some NetFlix.


  285. Lily
    288 | January 11, 2013 1:29 am


  286. lobo91
    289 | January 11, 2013 1:30 am

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Then look for personality. If a woman has a great one…they look beautiful despiste their faults. Someone is out there for you!

    I’m fairly certain they’re all crazy.

    Or way too young for me.


  287. Calo
    290 | January 11, 2013 1:30 am

    @ lobo91:
    Lobo, you have a wicked sense of humor.
    That is what makes me respond to you most nights, your sense of humor.

    Use it wisely, never maliciously.


  288. Lily
    291 | January 11, 2013 1:31 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Some of the actors in that show were in the Shield.
    have you seen Vegas on CBS?
    Michael Chiklis is in that.

    Nope but my mom mentioned it. I need to look into it! Thanks for reminding me.


  289. eaglesoars
    292 | January 11, 2013 1:33 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    I don’t need a beauty queen.

    Good thing. My sister and my 3 girlfriends all thru school were beauty queen material. It sucks. Only one came thru it to early adulthood sane. It took about a decade for the other 3 to adjust appropriately. When people are so distracted by your looks, it’s very difficult to connect in a healthy manner. I remember my sister didn’t wear makeup for about a year, she got so tired of it.

    Some never make it.


  290. lobo91
    293 | January 11, 2013 1:33 am

    @ Lily:

    Michael Chiklis…Dennis Quaid…Jason O’Mara

    And for the non-metrosexuals among us, there’s Carrie-Anen Moss and Sarah Jones


  291. Lily
    294 | January 11, 2013 1:34 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Then look for personality. If a woman has a great one…they look beautiful despiste their faults. Someone is out there for you!
    I’m fairly certain they’re all crazy.
    Or way too young for me.

    Check into someone a little older. You might be surprised and Calo is right…your sense of humor is awesome. A older women isn’t insecure. A older women doesn’t care if you watch your baseball. A older women cooks like a chef. A older women doesn’t have to be like a child and consume you …… there are a lot of lonely older women. And they aren’t hurting for money either. Just saying.


  292. lobo91
    295 | January 11, 2013 1:37 am

    @ Lily:

    I’m ideally looking for someone a few years younger than I am, like early-mid 40s.

    I’ve run across several in my classes recently who really made me wish I was 20 years younger, though…


  293. Lily
    296 | January 11, 2013 1:37 am

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Wife likes CSI. I’m more into Duck Dynasty, Storage Wars, etc for fun and Military Channel type shows for information. Also Velocity channel shows. But they haven’t been showing their usual fare lately. They’ve been doing nature shows instead; not sure what’s up with that. Have also been using some NetFlix.

    The shows I mentioned are a bit different than these. You might like them…..Moonlight I think you should try first and your wife will like it. I had my misgivings about it…until I watched it. Way cool. ;)


  294. lobo91
    297 | January 11, 2013 1:39 am

    @ Lily:

    Vegas is loosely based on the exploits of the actual sheriff who was in office there from the early ’60s to the 80s.


  295. Lily
    298 | January 11, 2013 1:39 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’m ideally looking for someone a few years younger than I am, like early-mid 40s.
    I’ve run across several in my classes recently who really made me wish I was 20 years younger, though…

    Well if you are striking out in that area…go older. Not a lot older just a few years older. You will be really surprised. Trust me.


  296. Calo
    299 | January 11, 2013 1:40 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    Beauty fades…

    Personality lingers on like a pair of sandals gone wrong. WTF?


  297. lobo91
    300 | January 11, 2013 1:41 am

    @ Lily:

    I thought you were talking about Moonlighting at first.

    I have most of that on DVD.


  298. Lily
    301 | January 11, 2013 1:41 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Vegas is loosely based on the exploits of the actual sheriff who was in office there from the early ’60s to the 80s.

    You know that isn’t much different than The Shield….because The Shield was loosely based on a group of cops that were in the Rampart area of Los Angeles…they are in jail now.


  299. Lily
    302 | January 11, 2013 1:43 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I thought you were talking about Moonlighting at first.
    I have most of that on DVD.

    Oh no the show. It’s a good show. It lasted only one season but it wrapped itself up in one season too. I was really surprised with that show. I loved it.


  300. lobo91
    303 | January 11, 2013 1:44 am

    @ Lily:

    You know that isn’t much different than The Shield….because The Shield was loosely based on a group of cops that were in the Rampart area of Los Angeles…they are in jail now.

    Where they belong.

    Michael Chiklis plays a mob-connected casino boss in Vegas. Dennis Quaid is the sheriff, who was an MP in WWII (the show is set in 1961 or so).


  301. eaglesoars
    304 | January 11, 2013 1:44 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Beauty fades…

    Personality lingers on like a pair of sandals gone wrong. WTF?

    keeee-RIST woman! You have way too much time on your hands.
    Now I’m going to have nightmares……..


  302. Lily
    305 | January 11, 2013 1:45 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Beauty fades…
    Personality lingers on like a pair of sandals gone wrong. WTF?

    Oh my! Shoes should enhance the foot….this is abuse of shoes and feet. I could only peek at that. That is horrible!!!!!!!!!!


  303. AZfederalist
    306 | January 11, 2013 1:46 am

    @ Lily:

    I’ll look into Moonlight. After all, I’ve got time. :-)


  304. Calo
    307 | January 11, 2013 1:46 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    I just sit at home and scour the web everyday for weird stuff.

    Night eaglesoars!


  305. Lily
    308 | January 11, 2013 1:48 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    You know that isn’t much different than The Shield….because The Shield was loosely based on a group of cops that were in the Rampart area of Los Angeles…they are in jail now.
    Where they belong.
    Michael Chiklis plays a mob-connected casino boss in Vegas. Dennis Quaid is the sheriff, who was an MP in WWII (the show is set in 1961 or so).

    Sounds like a show I would like. As far as The Shield…..rogue team of cops….not sure they committed the crimes that are in the show though…but they did over-step the line big time.


  306. Lily
    309 | January 11, 2013 1:49 am

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’ll look into Moonlight. After all, I’ve got time.

    I do too! Small world heh?


  307. lobo91
    310 | January 11, 2013 1:51 am

    @ Lily:

    Nicholas Pillegi is one of the producers.

    He wrote the stories that were made into Wiseguys and Casino.


  308. Lily
    311 | January 11, 2013 1:53 am

    @ lobo91:

    Sounds good! I’ll look into it.


  309. lobo91
    312 | January 11, 2013 1:53 am

    @ Lily:

    And I just like looking at Sarah Jones. She looks surprisingly good in the period costumes.


  310. eaglesoars
    313 | January 11, 2013 1:56 am

    bedtime. nite all.


  311. lobo91
    314 | January 11, 2013 1:57 am

    Sarah Jones


  312. lobo91
    315 | January 11, 2013 1:58 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Night


  313. Lily
    316 | January 11, 2013 2:03 am

    @ lobo91:

    Wow! Yeah a much younger lady there lobo! ;)


  314. Lily
    317 | January 11, 2013 2:04 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Nite!!!!


  315. lobo91
    318 | January 11, 2013 2:06 am

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Wow! Yeah a much younger lady there lobo!

    As I said, I sometimes wish I was 20 years younger.

    I had a 25 year old Air Force officer in my class the other day. I really felt old that day.


  316. Calo
    319 | January 11, 2013 2:09 am

    @ lobo91:
    Yep, and I wish I was 20 years younger some days too.
    But I am not and neither are you.

    Now, move along and forward, Lobo.


  317. lobo91
    320 | January 11, 2013 2:11 am

    Oh well, as someone mentioned earlier, looking just means I’m not dead.

    I’m grounded enough in reality to know that nobody like that would ever be interested in me.


  318. AZfederalist
    321 | January 11, 2013 2:12 am

    Well, bed time here. Good night all


  319. Lily
    322 | January 11, 2013 2:22 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yep, and I wish I was 20 years younger some days too.
    But I am not and neither are you.
    Now, move along and forward, Lobo.

    No kidding! I do wish I was 20 years older…even though I know what is in store for me in my future. Maybe I’d be better prepared. ;)


  320. Lily
    323 | January 11, 2013 2:23 am

    @ Lily:

    Make that younger….damn not older.


  321. Lily
    324 | January 11, 2013 2:30 am

    @ lobo91:


  322. Calo
    325 | January 11, 2013 2:31 am

    @ lobo91:
    Whatever Lobo.

    You are throwing a lot of good women your age away who might be single instead for a young hottie who is good for what? A roll in the hay for a few years?

    Meh, you might as well stock up on peanut butter pretzels instead.


  323. Lily
    326 | January 11, 2013 2:33 am

    @ Calo:

    Yep! Lot’s of lonely women out there in their late 40′s and earlier 50′s! Not bad looking either if you give them a chance…and oh by the way they are what shall I say …..educated well? ;)


  324. Calo
    327 | January 11, 2013 2:37 am

    @ Lily:
    :shock:

    Whaaat?


  325. Lily
    328 | January 11, 2013 2:39 am

    @ Calo:

    LOL! Said as it as softly as I could. :oops:
    /you know it’s the truth.


  326. Lily
    329 | January 11, 2013 2:42 am

    @ Calo:

    Plus came straight from a guy who was dating a older woman and that’s the truth. I swear.


  327. Calo
    330 | January 11, 2013 2:42 am

    @ Lily:
    My hubbie is sound asleep, and I made it so, even though it is only Thursday night.

    Night Lily.

    Enjoyed the dialogue tonight.


  328. Lily
    331 | January 11, 2013 2:44 am

    @ Calo:

    Nite Calo! Time for me to hit the hay myself. Hope you have a good day tomorrow! :)


  329. 332 | January 11, 2013 2:52 am

    Day late and a dollar short again, I see. Nothing on the last few subjects, as I’ve been married for what is now starting to be a long time, and I don’t watch TV.


  330. 333 | January 11, 2013 3:34 am

    Back on topic, Nixon was one of the best when fighting the spread of communism, despite Speranza’s ill-informed rant against Republican Presidents. Nixon was straddled by a liberal democrat-controlled congress, a mess in VietNam and Cronkite’s propaganda machine. Nixon was not charismatic, but he was not evil.

    The name of this game is called “Ain’t no one good enough.”


  331. 334 | January 11, 2013 3:43 am

    In other words, this post should be retitled “The 100th Birthday Of Richard Milhous Nixon -- Let’s Give Him A Load Of Crap.”


  332. 335 | January 11, 2013 3:45 am

    STATEMENT FROM THE NRA

    01/10/2013

    The National Rifle Association of America is made up of over 4 million moms and dads, daughters and sons, who are involved in the national conversation about how to prevent a tragedy like Newtown from ever happening again. We attended today’s White House meeting to discuss how to keep our children safe and were prepared to have a meaningful conversation about school safety, mental health issues, the marketing of violence to our kids and the collapse of federal prosecutions of violent criminals.

    We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment. While claiming that no policy proposals would be “prejudged,” this Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners — honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation’s most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works — and what does not.

    Gee -- what a surprise.

    Not.


  333. 336 | January 11, 2013 3:49 am

    @ Bunk X:

    Well, at least it a change from campaigning against W. Personally, I’m waiting until we get back at least as far as Adams.


  334. 337 | January 11, 2013 5:54 am

    Lily wrote:

    @ Calo:

    Yep! Lot’s of lonely women out there in their late 40′s and earlier 50′s! Not bad looking either if you give them a chance…and oh by the way they are what shall I say …..educated well?

    Divorbce #2 is about to be finalized. Tell me more! ;)


  335. 338 | January 11, 2013 6:29 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Bunk X:

    Well, at least it a change from campaigning against W. Personally, I’m waiting until we get back at least as far as Adams.

    I took last night off to play with my new TV but it seems I didn’t miss much -- a thread devoted to trashing a dead Republican (yeah, he wasn’t a conservative-no shit!) who hasn’t been in office for nearly 40 years. Seems kinda pointless, except that I’m sure it afforded some the occasion to give every Republican before and after Reagan their dose of abuse, with an extra dose for the execrable Bush (take yer pick).

    Before long, we’ll all be on a thread lamenting how we don’t have the cohesion to present a “united front” like the Democrats. Sheesh.


  336. African Moondog
    339 | January 11, 2013 6:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    JFK was more Conservative than he was.

    JFK was also a speed (in the drugs sense) addict.


  337. 340 | January 11, 2013 6:58 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Ayup. A subsidiary of the Democratic Party -- “It’s all W’s fault.”

    Oh, sorry -- I didn’t mean to worship him. My bad.

    The GOP needs this, the GOP needs that. What some need is to stop fighting campaigns long past. There’s somewhat more pressing issues to deal with at the moment.


  338. 341 | January 11, 2013 7:02 am

    Short day at work. I’m taking 2 hours off this afternoon for a doctor’s appointment and my better half’s insistence. She dragged me over to the immediate care place about 5-6 weeks ago because of leg pain- she was worried that it might be more blockages like I had with my heart. They said it was just a pulled muscle, but it’s still bothering me, so I’m going to my regular MD to see what he says.


  339. 342 | January 11, 2013 7:07 am

    @ Mike C.:

    100% on target there. We’ve GOT to work to fight what’s destroying America. Reagan was a great leader, but we need to find a Reagan for today, who can articulate values that will strengthen us as well as he did. And we need someone who’ll fight, and not give in like (sadly) Reagan did when he went along with Tip O’Neil with the ‘I’ll raise taxes today if you’ll cut spending tomorrow’ deal. We need to learn our lesson, that the left will never be willing to cut spending except the military.


  340. 343 | January 11, 2013 7:54 am

    On Fox’s site, written by a liberal, Douglas Schoen: Richard Nixon — the last great liberal

    It’s pretty spot-on. Now, let’s let the man rest in peace and move on to the task at hand.


  341. Speranza
    344 | January 11, 2013 8:50 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    In other words, this post should be retitled “The 100th Birthday Of Richard Milhous Nixon — Let’s Give Him A Load Of Crap.”

    You really are a Nixonian. I guess we can no longer talk about the Carter administration either?


  342. Speranza
    345 | January 11, 2013 8:53 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    Back on topic, Nixon was one of the best when fighting the spread of communism, despite Speranza’s ill-informed rant against Republican Presidents. Nixon was straddled by a liberal democrat-controlled congress, a mess in VietNam and Cronkite’s propaganda machine. Nixon was not charismatic, but he was not evil.
    The name of this game is called “Ain’t no one good enough.”

    Horseshit. Nixon gave so much to the USSR in the great grain robbery and ultimately he lead to Jimmy Carter.
    By the way do your own political threads. Now wonder why I come on less frequently anymore, carp, carp, carp.


  343. 346 | January 11, 2013 9:17 am

    I will give Nixon credit on one thing. He was against nation building!


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