I stumbled on this article today. I know it’s almost a year old, but it is still relevant, possibly moreso in view of recent events and our current administrations unwillingness to confront Islam. Or should I say our current administrations embrace and support of Islam.
The High Price of Telling the Truth About Islam
February 7, 2012 By Eric Allen Bell
[Editor's note: The article below is written by Eric Allen Bell, a filmmaker who was recently banned from blogging at the “Daily Kos” because he wrote three articles that ran afoul of the mindset there, specifically naming “Loonwatch.com” as a “terrorist spin control network.” Frontpage invited him to tell his story, which he does below.]
A strange thing happened to me the other day when I was driving past the Federal Building in Los Angeles. There were a crowd of people assembled there with signs which said that Israel is an aggressive force in the Middle East and that Iran is being picked on. As I stopped at a red light I heard a man with a mega phone lead the protesters in a chant charging Obama with genocide. I saw many young people and several Muslim women with their heads covered. It was an anti-war demonstration that probably a year ago I would have supported. But although I am not in favor of military action, I know that Iran is not another Iraq, and that in fact there is more going on here than the overly-simplified picture that the protestors were painting, as cars drove by honking in support. As the light turned green another sign caught my eye – a picture of the Twin Towers burning which read “911 Was an Inside Job”. As I looked at a sea of Palestinian flags and college kids banging on drums I felt a certain frustration – frustration based on a series of events that have changed my world view.
In the Summer of 2010, having recently escaped Hollywood, CA to take a much needed break from my profession as a film maker, I was driving in my car listening to a story on NPR. It seems the people in my new home of Murfreesboro, TN were up in arms over the proposed construction of a 53,000 square foot mega mosque, to be built in their small town in the middle of the American Bible Belt.
I listened carefully, to the sound bytes, of those who had shown up to a town hall meeting to voice their opposition and, as someone who was rather new to the South, I was surprised by what I was hearing. “America is a Christian nation and there is only one God and his name is not Allah and his son is Jesus Christ” and “America is a Christian Nation” and “These Muslims do not share my values and I don’t want them in my backyard”. Growing up in Southern California, I had never heard anything like this before in my life. And I started to follow the story with great interest.
On the outer edge of town, off a small country road, there was a large parcel of land, right next door to a Baptist church, with a big sign that read, “Future Home of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro”. Over the past 6 months that sign had been defaced twice. Once it was broken in half and another time the words “Not Welcome” were spray painted over it.
Rutherford County, which includes Murfreesboro, only has a little over 100,000 residents and yet the area boasts nearly 200 Christian churches. Having not been much of a fan of Islam or Christianity or religion in general (and that’s putting it mildly) I saw this as something of a David vs. Goliath story – with fanatical Evangelicals bullying a peaceful Muslim population, which had been in the community for over 30 years without there ever being any trouble. And, after learning that in July there was to be a big parade down Main Street to the town square, protesting the construction of this new mosque, I decided someone really needed to make a documentary about this. And even though I had gone to Murfreesboro to escape the film world for a while, it seemed pretty clear that if I did not document this in a movie, no one else would. I wanted to show the world what I was seeing. So I put together a small film crew and began production on a documentary I would title, “Not Welcome”.
I had never seen more American flags assembled together in one place than I had on that hot July morning as the anti-mosque crowd gathered at the base camp to prepare for the parade. Many of the marchers showed up wearing red, white and blue. I had 4 cameras covering the event with one crew embedded with the Liberal activists who were going to counter-demonstrate and the rest of the cameras with me, embedded with those who were to march against the mosque. I conducted several interviews in the school parking lot where locals and those who had driven for hours gathered, prepared to march against what they perceived to be not only a threat to their way of life, but also something of an insult given the events of September 11, 2001. Two Congressional candidates, both promising to “stop the Islamic training camp” showed up and used this opportunity to campaign, one of whom even gave a speech through a mega phone reminding folks to vote for him if they wanted to stop Sharia Law from coming to Murfreesboro. The pastor of Baptist church gathered everyone together in prayer, and the parade took off down Main Street with signs that read “Google the Koran” and “Stop Homegrown Terrorism” and someone in the crowd handed out hundreds of small Israeli flags as several hundred Southerners marched against the mosque.
About six months later I had accumulated over 300 hours of footage, interviewing the parade organizer, both Congressional candidates, the Mayor, the Imam at the mosque and several of its board members, numerous concerned residents on both sides of the issue, Muslim residents, city council members, a Christian Zionist lobbyist who was organizing the opposition to the mosque – and I had even filmed weeks of court proceedings, as a local group had filed suit against the County to stop them from issuing any construction permits to the Islamic Center. The court proceedings were truly a circus with a country lawyer in loud suit with a bow tie argued that Islam is not a religion and that he was prepared to take this matter to the Supreme Court if necessary. That legal action had failed and failed miserably. And although many of the townspeople did in fact have a number of very valid concerns, I felt that those whom they had chosen to represent them were not their best foot forward. In many ways, for the people of Murfreesboro, TN this turned out to be an international embarrassment – given the level of interest from the press.
Also, someone tried to set fire to some construction equipment at the site of the new mosque and the student activist group, calling themselves “Middle Tennesseans for Religious Freedom” put together a candle light vigil where hundreds of townspeople showed up in support of tolerance. A few young men showed up in a pickup truck and honked their horn repeatedly throughout the vigil. Their clothes seemed to indicate they had spent the work day hanging drywall. And when they put up a huge sign in the back of their truck which read “No Mosque” while misspelling the word mosque, I did not hesitate to film them but to also sort of taunt them, in order to provoke a good response on camera. And I got it. One of them said we should suspend the Constitution and went on to say that “All them Mooslums should be shipped home” even the ones who were born here.
Read the rest here:
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/eric-allen-bell/the-high-price-of-telling-the-truth-about-islam/
Here we have a man, a good liberal who believed that liberalism had the right idea about everything. He went out to make a documentary blasting the “Apocalyptic Christianity” of those who opposed the building of a mosque in Tennessee. What he eventually discovered was far more interesting.
Before I go any further, I should mention that, while all of this was happening, I had become involved in the story itself. I took sides. I sided with the Islamic community in their legal right to build a house of worship and when I was interviewed by the local papers (it’s not every day that a small town like this has someone shooting a documentary there) when I was asked where I stood on the issue I never hesitated to give my point of view. And after a time my point of view was sought out by larger newspapers and several local and syndicated radio programs – mostly Conservative and mostly taking issue with my stance. And I was also invited to write several pieces for Michael Moore’s blog as well.
Although I had left town to edit, there continued to be letters to the editor on a few of the local papers saying that I should leave TN and go back to where I came from. I could not believe the cartoonish way in which those who opposed the mosque were making their case. I felt like I was on the right side of this thing – absolutely certain. But in fact, I was wrong.
Soon he began hearing things that began to challenge his simplistic worldview.
But something kept nagging at me on a gut level. Something about all of this didn’t quite feel right. The Arab Spring, which I supported, started to degenerate into the Islamist Winter, and I grew more and more concerned. I flew back to Nashville to shoot a conference on whether or not Islam was conducive with Democratic Values and on the way to my hotel room I learned that my cab driver was from Egypt. I asked him how he felt about the fall of Mubarak, a dictator worth over $70 billion dollars while so much of his country was living in poverty and he told me he was concerned. Concerned? Wasn’t this good news? The cab driver was a Coptic Christian and he told me that he feared for his family back home. “If the Muslims take control, and they will, it will be very dangerous for my parents and my sisters. I’m scared for them right now”. After that conversation, I started to pay more attention to the news coming from the Islamic world in the Middle East.
Over the coming months I watched as the Muslim Brotherhood gained political power in Egypt. I saw that cab driver’s worst fears come true as Coptic Christians were attacked by Islamic mobs. I saw Tunisia institute Sharia, the brutal Islamic Law. After Libya fell, the Transitional Council also instituted Islamic Law. The nuclear armed Islamic government of Pakistan arrested and punished those who cooperated with the United States in killing Osama Bin Laden. A woman under the Islamic government of Afghanistan faced execution for the crime of being raped. Similar news stories emerged from Iran. A man who typed “there is no god” as his Facebook status in Indonesia, the largest Islamic country in the world, was arrested for blasphemy.
He wrote for Michael Moore and was a frequent contributor to Daily Kos and Loonwatch. Neither of these credentials protected him from what happened.
It was at this time that I went to my backers and told them that we were not making an honest documentary. I felt that everything I had put into the 25 minute short version (the one I used to raise the completion funds) was true, but only half true. It was critical that we also show the very real threats that exist within Islam. We needed to show that what is happening to these small communities of peaceful Muslims in America are the exception to the rule. I wanted to show what happens to countries when they gain a Muslim majority, how women are treated, that homosexuals were executed, that free speech did not exist, that the forced Islamic Law was not consistent with Democratic Values – anything and everything I could think of that ought to strike a chord with the Liberal mindset. And the response I received was, “Eric you are starting to sound like an Islamophobe. We don’t want to make a movie that promotes fear. Let’s just stick with the existing plan, okay?”
I fought and I fought. I showed them a book called “The Truth About Mohammed” but was struck down since the author was a man named Robert Spencer and my backers pointed out that the Southern Poverty Law Center named his “Jihad Watch” site as part of a hate group. I asked them to watch a documentary called “Islam: What the West Needs to Know” and pointed out that I had researched independently and verified the truth of what was being presented there, but they would not even watch this documentary as they were sure in advance that it was “hate speech” and “propaganda designed to spread fear”. It probably goes without saying that by now I was very frustrated. I showed my new backers several verses from the Koran that call for the killing of infidels and was told that these verses were probably being taken out of context. I showed them a video clip from MEMRI TV of a young Egyptian child reciting a Hadith that calls for the killing of Jews and was told that “you can’t trust MEMRI because they have an agenda”.
I mentioned the popular Islamophobia watchdog site “Loonwatch” and how I had noticed a pattern of deflection all criticisms of radical and violent Islam by calling anyone who publicly raises these concerns a “Loon” and how I felt this was an intentional effort to provide a smoke screen for the terrorists. I also noted that everything Loonwatch said was in lockstep with the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and now CAIR was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the prosecution of the Holy Land Foundation – the largest Islamic charity at one time, which was found to be funneling monies to Islamic terrorist organizations. I also noted that CAIR had ties to both Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and that Al Qeada had come out of the Muslim Brotherhood. I expressed my concerns that the Egyptian Imam of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro might have ties to the MB, something I had failed to properly investigate. But since CAIR had the support of Glenn Greenwald and Amy Goodman’s show, Democracy Now, I was told that I had my facts all wrong. It was also pointed out to me that if CAIR was allegedly some kind of terrorist front then why do they still have a special tax status and why are they still around? When I said I do not know but it was possible that the government might prefer to watch them out in the open rather than risk them going underground I was told that my judgment was sounding less and less clear and that maybe I needed to take a step back from the project for a while.
And it didn’t stop there.
In January of 2012 I wrote 3 consecutive articles for the Daily Kos. The first was entitled “Loowatch.com and Radical Islam”. Here I pointed out the how Loonwatch only deflects criticism of radical Islam. I was also critical of Islamic theology while noting over and over that most Muslims were peaceful. The comments section of Daily Kos made me feel like I was attending my own funeral. It was like a public stoning. There wasn’t much in the way of responding to any of the points laid out in my article but hundreds of comments accusing me of being “right wing” a “bigot” and an “lslamophobe”. This was disappointing.
The next day I received an email from Loonwatch.com with an article showing my name and a photograph of my face, going out to much of the Islamic world, calling me the “Loon at Large”. This article was picked up by IslamophobiaToday.com and TheAmericanMuslim.org – later being repurposed by numerous Islamic blogs around the world, including in places where we all know what happens to anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of Allah or who dares to “insult” Islam.
My next article sought to further substantiate my point with regard to these wolves in sheep’s clothing calling themselves “Islamophobia Watchdog sites” and their first line of defense, that being a blogosphere of liberal lemming infidels who are pre-programmed to blurt out the word “Islamophobe” on cue. That article was called “How and Why Loonwatch is a Terrorist Spin Control Network”. And as you might have guessed, this piece was met with the same mob mentality of those who, rather than read the article and criticize it on its merits, instead shot the messenger with charges of “Islamophobia”. There were also 2 Daily Kos articles written in response attacking me personally, another Loonwatch article where someone suggested I must be from TN and have no education, etc. And once again, my name was put out on the street through a network of Islamic Blogs, including the landing page for CAIR, using a form of Islamic double speak which translated to any serious Jihadist means “enemy of Allah” and “insulting Islam”.
Given the incredible density of the popular Liberal mind, how the readers of my articles were unable to see how the beliefs of Islam were in direct conflict with human rights, gay rights, women’s rights and basic Democratic Values, I wrote a final piece called, “Are You In Favor of Human Rights?” and that one of course got me banned from Daily Kos. It should be noted that in one of the Loonwatch.com articles the author, a person simply calling himself “Danios” demanded that DKOS silence me and provided a link for its readers to email the editors of the Daily Kos, demanding that this “Islamophobe” be censored. And it worked – once again proving the oil and water relationship between Islam and tolerance for free speech.
He found out the hard way. Liberals promote diversity, unless it’s diversity of opinion. Then they will go to any length to censor you and ensure no one hears what you have to say.
The evil alliance of liberalism and Islam is an atrocity and should not be allowed to continue. It is completely in opposition to everything our country stands for. It is an affront to our constitutional principles and everything the country was founded on.
This man is a liberal, probably unrepentant, but he learned a lesson the hard way. Now on at least this issue, he is on the right side.
Tags: Islamic Imperialism, Islamists, Leftists, Moonbats, Politics, Progressive-Islamic Axis, Progressives
Progressives love Islam. They view it as a 3rd World Revolutionary movement.
Loonwatch ran the information about me Charles posted. That site is Pro Muslim Brotherhood.
Example:
The ones who attacked Amb. Stevens and the others Bengazie, most likely those very ones are now or have crossed our wide open Mexican Border. Guided by Mexican Cartel “coyotes” who via the drug cartel money had paid off “union member” Border Patrol officers to aid with security. The price is known even to “viglanties such as tfk and his little unpaid band of over the hill Vietnam Vets” who know a thing or two about operating on the other side of the fence in small units.
@ Rodan:
Coptic Christians in Egypt, however, were unavailable for comment….
Never fear, the FRENCH are taking care of business:
France confirms Mali intervention
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20991719
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/mali/9796618/France-launches-air-strikes-on-al-Qaeda-in-Mali.html
Problem solved!
Carolina Girl wrote:
nor were the orthodox chritians in syria available
@ taxfreekiller:
They don’t even have to do that. They just get vissa and come here legally. Look at Deaborn, those people are legally here but are Hizballah operative. The Muslim Brotherhood operates openly in Virginia.
@ Daffy Duck:
At elast the French are fighting Al-Qaeda there!
Tried to post comment on last thread, got message comments cut off. WTH!!
Carolina Girl wrote:
They don’t count according to Obama, Hillary and John McCain. Democracy is more important.
what a very interesting story.
@ coldwarrior:
They don’t count. They are evil Assad supporters and are getting what they deserve. That’s what Obama and McCain think.
@ Rodan:
Yep -- and look what happened to Christians’ civil rights there.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Yup, but it doesn’t matter. Not even Fox News reports this.
Tanker wrote:
Too many people supporting the Constitution.
Tanker wrote:
i ended it as we were going to have the same argument again. this gives peeps a chance to cool off and bitch at me instead of fighting with others and maybe getting a little too angry/upset in the process.
but by all means, post away. i’ll turn the comments back on
lobo91 wrote:
yeah, that’s real nice.
coldwarrior wrote:
As opposed to being called a “socialist” “ankle-biter”?
@ Rodan:
Unfortunately, in islamic parlance, democracy means one person, one vote for sharia, one time.
coldwarrior wrote:
It is fun watching stupid people learn things, isn’t it?
coldwarrior wrote:
Don’t bother on my account, I’m as you state at the bottom of the last thread “done here for a while” must rethink!
@ Tanker:
Same here.
Something about all of this didn’t quite feel right. The Arab Spring, which I supported, started to degenerate into the Islamist Winter, and I grew more and more concerned.
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beliefs of Islam were in direct conflict with human rights, gay rights, women’s rights and basic Democratic Values
Wait. What?
This is over a DECADE after 9/11 and this genius is just figuring it out?
I’m impressed.
OT, but Rodan will like this: Retiring Democrat Senator Jay Rockefeller Just May Be a Racist.
Apparently, Rockefeller was instrumental in stymieing the federal judicial nomination of Miguel Estrada, on the grounds that “he is Latino.” Can’t have the Republicans elevating Hispanics in government, because that might interfere with keeping ‘em on the Democrat Plantation.
Tanker wrote:
sometimes its a good thing to let peeps cool out for a few minutes before they say something they might regret.
this way peeps can get pissed off at me and the situation at hand can cool out for a little. i dont care if peeps get angry with me. i do care when the name calling starts. it is conduct unbecoming.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Christian civil rights are disappearing here, too.
AZfederalist wrote:
its like when the dog ‘gets it’ the light goes on and there is a moment of clarity
update on the Murfreesboro mosque
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20121119/NEWS06/311190022/Murfreesboro-mosque-celebrates-opening
Chairman of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro acknowledges ‘long and bumpy road’
Attorney John Green, the Rev. Joseph Breen of the Diocese of Nashville and the Rev. Bryan Brooks of Blackman United Methodist Church also shared remarks.
“I don’t know about you, but I like walking around in my socks,” said Breen, referring to everyone having to remove their shoes before entering the hall.
arggghhhhh
the stupid, it burns!!!
coldwarrior wrote:
Hey cw, is this a service you can offer even for non-blog related anger?
You could have a 1-800# and charge $3.95 a minute for people to bitch at you.
I’d use it…
And the cheap shots continue.
Screw this.
Tanker wrote:
lobo91 wrote:
well, i thought i did the right thing.
see yinz later.
@ momcat:
Words escape me.
“I don’t know about you, but I like walking around with my throat slit…”
@ momcat:
i cant imagine a mosque in that town…i just cant get my head around it.
Daffy Duck wrote:
it is quite painful.
@ coldwarrior:
cancer can strike anywhere
@ coldwarrior:
Maybe, but not for long…
momcat wrote:
i would have never guessed in that burg, that is for damn sure!
@ coldwarrior:
our “leaders” let it happen
claimed there was no way they could legally stop it
momcat wrote:
well, that is probably true. such is the price of freedom
I wonder if maybe we’ve already passed the tipping point -- we’ve already lost.
Maybe that’s it, and the suspicion, or realization of that, is what sets off the squabbles we see downstairs.
People, you ain’t gonna find better allies than what you have here; we’re not going to ever agree 100%. Liberals don’t agree 100% either, but they keep it mostly to themselves, and march in lockstep like automatons.
That doesn’t appeal to me at all.
when the “judges” decide something should happen, they will find a way
to make it so
bye
momcat wrote:
I bet they could stop a Wal-Mart building and opening for legitimate commerce on land it had legally purchased. They’ve done it in NYC for years: despite Wal-Mart merely trying to open a legal business on legally purchased land, they’ve been tied up in zoning and land-use and who knows what.
The authorities can stop anything they really want to stop.
@ coldwarrior:
Gee I was going to write a witty replay that my 5000 fps magnetic rail actuated federal omnibus bill hole puncher was not on the banned weapons list.
Oh well. Your right. Let the peeps chill.
@ momcat:
So can super slingshotted Spam:)
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
true. true.
unclassifiable wrote:
ha!
AZfederalist wrote:
Yup, one man one vote one time. Then Totalitarianism. Besides the Christians, I am really worried about the Israelis. A monster is starting to surround them. AN evil that many refuse to see.
@ momcat:
Unreal, in the Middle of Tennessee. I bet you that Mosque is Muslim Brotherhood.
coldwarrior wrote:
it’s really scary if you think about it.
unclassifiable wrote:
i would love to open a bbq/strip club/bar right on top of that mosque.
Rodan wrote:
i’ve been down there, seriously blows my mind!
@ coldwarrior:
So I take it you don’t find the call to prayers to be the most beautiful sound to hear in the morning — unlike President Choom?
coldwarrior wrote:
You need to start the new pork-barbeque franchise: Mo-Hammed!™
All pork products. The buildings look like mosques, but the dome over the center, and the dome over the door, are painted to look like a pig’s body and head.
Rodan wrote:
Almost certain. The writer even makes reference to the disturbing talks that the Imam has given.
As for this guy not learning his lesson on 9-11 I’m sure he was probably one of the navel gazers that was standing there trying to figure out what WE did wrong.
@ Mars:
It would not shock me to find out that he found the Truthers’ ridiculous claims to have some basis in reality.
Oh, and in case the jury was still out on whether Ed Rendell is a pig:
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/11/former-dem-gov-ed-rendell-the-good-thing-about-newtown-is-well-get-more-gun-control-laws/#disqus_thread
Words fail me — “the GOOD thing about Newton”?????
@ unclassifiable:
There was a mosque near one of my apartments in San Francisco. I found the morning call to prayer to be a sound worthy of a rock thrown from my upstairs window.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
And the toilets are black cubes called ka’a-bowls.
From out of the East—the Korannnnnnnnn Ranger!
“Who was that mosqued imam? I wanted to spank him.”
Carolina Girl wrote:
From the sounds of things by the end of the article it looks like he thought the truthers are insane.
Rendell is just saying what all the dems are thinking. “Never let a crisis go to waste.”
@ citizen_q:
I guess calling the bathrooms themselves mo-ham-heads would be a bit much.
Though I could envision a conversation after a few hallal beers, “Pardon me I must make the haj and hit the mo-ham-head.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
brilliant!
@ Carolina Girl:
way to go ed!
Speaking of trillion-dollar coins, anyone know when the new three-dollar bill with Obama’s face on it is coming out?
citizen_q wrote:
@ Mars:
I got to give this Liberal credit. He went in trying to defend Islam and came out against it. I wish more on the Left were like him.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Probably in a couple years after they build the Obama monument in DC.
Rodan wrote:
According to WZ, there is an actual movement afoot to deface Mount Rushmore with his countenance.
Rodan wrote:
He’s apparently not fact resistant like most of his brethren.
The taxi drivers statement about the Copts really got him thinking.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Little POS lib scum were pushing for that even before his election. That was one of the red flags that something wasn’t normal about this assclown.
coldwarrior wrote:
As I said over at ZIP’s place, the most unwelcome and disturbing image that pops in my head about Newton is their excitement upon hearing about it and salivating over the prospect of real gun grabbing coming out of this.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Remember how obama and hillary acted towards the family at the funerals for our people who died in the Benghazi attack?
These are sociopathic political creatures. Nothing is beyond, or below them.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I’m not shocked at all.
@ Mars:
The love affair Progressives have with Islam is very disturbing.
citizen_q wrote:
They are political vultures, fattening themselves off corpses here and abroad.
Senate Democrats on Friday urged President Obama to do an end-run around Congress and claim the power to borrow more money on the credit of the U.S.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/11/top-dems-tell-obama-ignore-congress-debt-limit/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS#ixzz2HhehHTfs
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it will take a miracle for the govt not to implode in the next four years…this is madness
As we can see in the UK, legislating firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens has changed human nature itself! No more violence, criminality, or so-called crimes of passion./////
Caught on camera: Moment ‘controlling’ ex-police officer calmly bought kitchen knife before stabbing estranged wife to death in her beauty salon
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I was gong to say animals before I chose creatures, but I did want to insult animals.
Good Shabbos, all.
I love this story. It’s never ‘too old’ when a former liberal comes to their senses, never to return to the delusion of the Prog-o-sphere.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
and good sabbath to you!
@ citizen_q:
well, the only thing you need a knife that large for is carving meat! outlaw meat!
I agree with his sentiment but he is a little vague in his focus. We do need to work on a better gun consciousness in the country. And people seeking individual liberty still need to band together to fight off the alinskites.
Here’s your Friday edition of Liberalism is a Steaming Pile of Hypocrisy
Michel Totten writes on the elite liberal information bubble. When the liberal elite manufacture causes based on poor perceptions of reality.
@ Urban Infidel:
Not sure what is wrong with the link. Looks ok when I mouse over it, but I get http 404 error when I try to follow it.
citizen_q wrote:
Aha!
Here it is.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2013/01/10/msnbc-contributor-taylor-again-attacks-black-conservatives-harmful-min
This woman has a severe mental disorder.
Oh, now it’s War on the NRA:
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/11/obama-to-try-and-rally-groups-against-the-nra/
Mind you, when we rally against groups like Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and the Black Panthers, we’re just plain old RAAAAACIST.
@ citizen_q:
Thing was that when this gun control started, the pro-freedom crowd mocked the gun grabbers asking them if they were also going to ban knives and bats as well. The gun grabbers accused the pro-freedom people of hyperbole and stated that was ridiculous. Guess what? Formerly Great Britain is now talking about exactly such things since the gun bans haven’t stopped murder.
/stupid libs never learn.
@ 28 momcat: That makes a mosque have a stench to it. The grand mosque in morocco stinks to hell.
Carolina Girl wrote:
I think they’re going to learn the same lesson the Japanese did…
lobo91 wrote:
?
what lesson?
@ 22 lobo91:
Closing threads is probably not a good idea. Sends the wrong message to the audience. maybe just make a profanity thread and float it some where and let people take it there. Personalizing an argument between fellow posters is a bad idea. I do it and I always regret I couldn’t form my thoughts better or take the time to deliver them reasonably. You have lots of time and opportunity here to get a point across.
@ Urban Infidel:
Interesting picture, so the little girl is a Crip?
Biden -- the idiot that keeps on giving:
Does he ever effing LISTEN to himself?
Carolina Girl wrote:
ummm….tax free status…
AZfederalist wrote:
No they don’t. They seem to think failure means they were not radical enough, and double down.
@ Carolina Girl:
the comedy writes itself.
@ Carolina Girl:
what’s the ‘problem’ Joe?….
lay out the stats and facts please
@ lobo91:
They sure as hell aren’t looking at the polling. The country isn’t behind this.
@ coldwarrior:
The one about waking a sleeping giant.
@ coldwarrior:
@ heysoos:
And you know that if someone like McCain, Romney or anyone else deemed “Republican” or “right wing” had made these statements, it would be the lead on every news channel about the “insensitivity” in their choice of words.
Plugs, of course gets a pass. I hope Levin gets hold of this. He’ll be able to milk it for at least half an hour.
lobo91 wrote:
ahhh…copy that
i fear we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve
Read some of the last thread. It was getting out of hand. All I can say is that every post will have its strengths and weaknesses. And the author is the one who profits most by the string of commentary about either side. Good authorship is going to require accepting disagreement somewhat impersonally. There is always a chance to adjust and author another piece down the road. Take the long term view.
I don’t author posts because I don’t think I can cover all the points were and am a crude debater. No positive results yet when i am really under pressure.
I’m not really in favor of closing posts, but what do you do there. Two people ad hominem each other back and forth until both are unhappy. It has no useful purpose when it gets like that.
For me I can over generalize and be somewhat flip or glib about issues other people are pretty serious on. I respect all the posters, so I try to make the effort to understand what the key logic items they post are about.
I read authors for items that stand out to me as information that is new and helps me think better. Then I read threads for expansion of those ideas and interesting OT contributions. I don’t care if they are topic related.
What is sticking in my mind are some stories about.
1. Boston fire
2. Gun arguments
3. Football
4. Christians abroad in trouble.
5. How to logically think about issues
6. Deep insight into israel
@ 97 Carolina Girl: I think he is trying to make psychological suggestions and manipulate the low info voter. Like he did in his debate. He has a group of shrinks as advisors and makes up a song. he says a lot of noise that emotionally rouses people, then throws in a few key phrases designed to focus thinking. What would the term “no silver bullet” mean to the consciousness of the country.
1. has a common media association in entertainment. Everyone understands it.
2. suggests bullets don’t work and that the users of them in entertainment are mostly fighting fantasy.
That is just looking at it quickly. A response would be to caricature the VP as a werewolf and then ask him if silver bullets work or not.
I watched him and Obama wear color coordinated ties one time and decided they have a shrink boiler room working with them. bidens role is to be ‘crazy like a fox’ even if he is really ‘crazy like a coyote’ As long as he gets that image across.
I just wish some fool would articulate what the problem is
Carolina Girl wrote:
He doesn’t have to. Even a dim clod as such as he knows the fix is in, what he says or anybody says on this issue matters not. I guess the only thing that does matter is that they go through the motions so the media has something to cover. Even without knowing how fully the Admin was committed against the 2nd Amendment. just the fact that they put bite-me in charge showed how unserious they were about accepting any countervailing thought, it was all a dog and pony show.
@ 108 heysoos: For me it is Gun Consciousness versus gun control.
The gun control advocates are somewhat hysterical over guns because they were used to kill kids. When you ask them the what the key issue is they seems to say ‘access to all firearms’. It means they want a total ban and confiscation of all firearms. And they are cynically using the school shooting to get their foot in the door.
I say they are shortsighted tories.
Gun Consciousness is a much better approach. Make hollywood represent guns in a safe manner. Make the psycho loner seem like a worthless useless individual when they have to resort to a gun to feel good about their poor mental state. Portray it that way on TV and model a better outcome via relationships. Start designing schools to hold a police presence where kids are protected and also learn to communicate well with authority.
@ 100 darkwords: that makes me some fool
Carolina Girl wrote:
Wasn’t behind obamacare either. Didn’t stop them.
@ 109 citizen_q: One problem is that they are a POTUS and VPOTUS that have just won an election and feel like they have political capital they can spend. The low info voter. Send them an NRA membership form.
darkwords wrote:
like i said last week, move the cops and sheriffs into the schools. put their offices inside the schools. i would be damn hard to tell if they are there or not.
citizen_q wrote:
More like Baby Occupy.
@ 112 AZfederalist: Obama just seems to be a large ponzi scheme that was given power to the biggest office in the world. He is going to borrow as much money as he can and throw it against the wall to see if anything sticks. If nothing does well at least he tried.
It’s sort of a ouiji board way of wisdom in running a country.
@ AZfederalist:
Yes, sadly, you’re right about that. And those that were vocal were as demonized as those of us that support gun rights are about to be.
@ 114 coldwarrior: i’m going to take the time out this week to write that to my local school board. and in their online forums.
coldwarrior wrote:
Modifying the law and removing the gun free zone silliness would be the rational and logical thing to do. After all of the mayhem conducted in gun free zones over the years, this just makes sense. Alas, rational thought and logic will not rule the day here.
@ 119 AZfederalist: On TV here last night the local fox station anchor was moaning why conservatives were blocking better state gun control laws. He had on the main State DEM talking about the value of gun free zones in schools. They can’t even wrap their heads around the issue that that might be the bigger problem.
AZfederalist wrote:
of course not…how can you have a solution to a problem you cannot even articulate?….all this crap is totally illogical…what the hell do shotgun shells have to do with mass murder?….splain it to me Joe
@ 121 heysoos: Well on their side I think they are articulating that anything gun related outside of the police and military is evil. That is how I hear it at least. That is the only message they want to get out.
@ 121 heysoos: The GI Joe doll is a gateway drug to future serial killers. /Joe Biden talk
@ heysoos:
They aren’t looking for solutions in the first place. Liberals never want to actually solve problems. If they did, they’d be out of a job.
Now I see why Obama wants to get rid of NASA.
If guns trouble him, rockets must make him pee his pants.
new thread
lobo91 wrote:
I know that… but they need to express themselves publicly, so their beef can be dissected, ridiculed and mocked
Is lobo around? I need that link he has for his NRA.
Or if anyone has it.
Lily wrote:
https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?campaignid=XI024024
@ Lily:
What link are you looking for?
The one for discounted memberships?
@ lobo91:
Your site lobo…
@ Mars:
Thanks!
@ Lily:
Signing up?
@ lobo91:
Maybe!!!!!
New thread is up. Another liberal telling us that in order to be successful we need to be more like the Won.
@ Mars:
Really? Geez!
@ Lily:
Heh! Knew you would come.
Houston, home if the 2013 NEA convention in May.
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