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Hagel matters only because of what his nomination says about Obama

by Speranza ( 142 Comments › )
Filed under Ahmadinejad, Barack Obama, Iran, Israel, Palestinians, Russia at January 12th, 2013 - 12:00 pm

A sad commentary on how far we have declined since the times of Reagan, the top four foreign policy honchos in America are Barack Obama, John Kerry, Chuck Hagel and John Brennan. Obama is the most moderate of all of them! Besides his palpable hostility towards Israel’s struggle with Islamofascism, the most glaring weakness of Hagel at the Pentagon are his nasty disposition, and his desire to cut the guts out of our defenses.

by Charles Krauthammer

This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”

Barack Obama

to Dmitry Medvedev,
March 26, 2012

The puzzle of the Chuck Hagel nomination for defense secretary is that you normally choose someone of the other party for your Cabinet to indicate a move to the center, but, as The Post’s editorial board pointed out, Hagel’s foreign policy views are to the left of Barack Obama’s, let alone the GOP’s. Indeed, they are at the fringe of the entire Senate.

So what’s going on? Message-sending. Obama won reelection. He no longer has to trim, to appear more moderate than his true instincts. He has the “flexibility” to be authentically Obama.

Hence the Hagel choice: Under the guise of centrist bipartisanship, it allows the president to leave the constrained first-term Obama behind and follow his natural Hagel-like foreign policy inclinations. On three pressing issues, in particular:

(1) Military Spending

Current Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said in August 2011 that the scheduled automatic $600 billion defense cuts (”sequestration”) would result in “hollowing out the force,” which would be “devastating.” And he strongly hinted that he might resign rather than enact them.

Asked about Panetta’s remarks, Hagel called the Pentagon “bloated” and needing “to be pared down.” Just the man you’d want to carry out a U.S. disarmament that will shrink America to what Obama thinks is its proper size on the world stage; i.e., smaller.  [......]

(2) Israel

The issue is not Hagel’s alleged hostility but his public pronouncements. His refusal to make moral distinctions, for example. At the height of the second intifada, a relentless campaign of indiscriminate massacre of Israelis, Hagel found innocence abounding: “Both Israelis and Palestinians are trapped in a war not of their making.”

This pass at evenhandedness is nothing but pernicious blindness. Just last month, Yasser Arafat’s widow admitted on Dubai TV what everyone has long known — that Arafat deliberately launched the intifada after the collapse of the Camp David peace talks in July 2000. He told his wife to stay in the safety of Paris. Why, she asked? Because I’m going to start an intifada.

In July 2002, with the terror still raging, Hagel offered further exquisite evenhandedness: “Israel must take steps to show its commitment to peace.” Good God. Exactly two years earlier Israel had proposed an astonishingly generous peace that offered Arafat a Palestinian state — and half of Jerusalem, a previously unimaginable Israeli concession. Arafat said no, made no counteroffer, walked away and started his terror war. Did no one tell Hagel?

(3) Iran

Hagel doesn’t just oppose military action, a problematic option with serious arguments on both sides. He actually opposed any unilateral sanctions. You can’t get more out of the mainstream than that.

He believes in diplomacy instead, as if talk alone will deter the mullahs. He even voted against designating Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization at a time when they were supplying and supporting attacks on U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Most tellingly, he has indicated that he is prepared to contain a nuclear Iran, a position diametrically opposed to Obama’s first-term, ostensibly unalterable opposition to containment.  [.......]

And that’s the point. Hagel himself doesn’t matter. He won’t make foreign policy. Obama will run it out of the White House even more tightly than he did in the first term. Hagel’s importance is the message his nomination sends about where Obama wants to go. The lessons are being duly drawn. Iran’s official media have already cheered the choice of what they call this “anti-Israel” nominee.  [......]

The rest of the world can see coming the Pentagon downsizing — and the inevitable, commensurate decline of U.S. power. Pacific Rim countries will have to rethink reliance on the counterbalance of the U.S. Navy and consider acquiescence to Chinese regional hegemony. Arab countries will understand that the current rapid decline of post-Kissinger U.S. dominance in the region is not cyclical but intended to become permanent.

Hagel is a man of no independent stature. He’s no George Marshall or Henry Kissinger. A fringe senator who left no trace behind, Hagel matters only because of what his nomination says about Obama.

However the Senate votes on confirmation, the signal has already been sent. Before Election Day, Obama could only whisper it to his friend Dmitry. Now, with Hagel, he’s told the world.

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  1. RIX
    1 | January 12, 2013 12:16 pm

    I don’t think that Obama has anymore than an average intellect,
    but he is cunning.
    This nomination of Hagel is a can’t lose for Obama.
    He is either confirmed or not, but there will be a battle.
    The White House and the Media will portray the Republicans
    as extreme for denying the President his choice.
    Oh & by the way they will point out that Hagel is a Viet Vet.
    They love anti-military vets.


  2. unclassifiable
    2 | January 12, 2013 12:19 pm

    @ RIX:

    How the hell can we be extreme if the Muslim Brotherhood is considered moderate?


  3. 3 | January 12, 2013 12:41 pm

    Hagel would also like to see us reduce our nukes to what could be reasonably be carried in a stock F-250 pickup truck. Then we could get rid of all those icky missiles, bombers and boomers.


  4. heysoos
    4 | January 12, 2013 1:04 pm

    looking into my crystal ball, I see mushroom clouds


  5. RIX
    5 | January 12, 2013 1:29 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ RIX:
    How the hell can we be extreme if the Muslim Brotherhood is considered moderate?

    A mystery only revealed to the Progressive mind.


  6. 6 | January 12, 2013 1:33 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    looking into my crystal ball, I see mushroom clouds

    Yep.


  7. heysoos
    7 | January 12, 2013 1:56 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    looking into my crystal ball, I see mushroom clouds

    Yep.

    would not surprise me in the least if it were Albuquerque, where I live


  8. Lily
    8 | January 12, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Doubt where you live. Isn’t high enough population and isn’t enough energy being produced there. Think somewhere on either coast to be honest.


  9. Lily
    9 | January 12, 2013 2:44 pm

    New York, San Francisico, Los Angeles, Miami etc.


  10. 10 | January 12, 2013 2:48 pm

    Oh Noes! Not Miami!

    /


  11. Lily
    11 | January 12, 2013 2:48 pm

    Oh my this is a very dead thread here…I’m so lonely now. :(
    /I swear it was dead before I got here. Honest.


  12. Lily
    12 | January 12, 2013 2:49 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Oh Noes! Not Miami!
    /

    I know!!!!!!!!!!!! The horrors!!!!!!!!!!!
    //////////// ;)


  13. RIX
    13 | January 12, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Lily:
    Lilly, how are you today.


  14. Lily
    14 | January 12, 2013 3:05 pm


  15. huckfunn
  16. Lily
    16 | January 12, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ RIX:

    Healing up Rix…sore and I start Cardio Rehab Monday. So beginning the long journey of getting well. I hope. ;)


  17. rain of lead
    17 | January 12, 2013 3:07 pm

    hey ya’ll
    well the young lady and I have just returned fron the nashville gun show.

    it was insane
    we got there about 30 minutes after it opened and we had to wait 30 minutes to get in.
    we were there for about 3 hrs (gotta check everything don’t ya know)
    when we came out the line to get in was not one bit shorter
    but if you had the money you could get what you wanted

    one vendor told me that the state had processed about 15,000 background checks just in the last 2-3 days


  18. 18 | January 12, 2013 3:08 pm

    As far as I’m concerned, the entire Обама Режим are a bunch of [Deleted] [Deleted]s!


  19. rain of lead
    19 | January 12, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ Macker:

    awww macker, stop sugar coating it, tell us how you really feel. :-)


  20. Lily
    20 | January 12, 2013 3:14 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    My, my, my!!! Lots of people out buying guns now aren’t they? obama dividing the nation even more…it’s what he does for kicks.


  21. rain of lead
    21 | January 12, 2013 3:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    I have been to several of these local shows and I have NEVER, not in 25 years seen this many people or had to wait that long to get in.

    I did find out that the young lady really like knives


  22. Lily
    22 | January 12, 2013 3:18 pm

    Go BOOM!!

    httpV://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgrnoDPqyq4


  23. Lily
    23 | January 12, 2013 3:19 pm

    Darn it!


  24. Lily
    24 | January 12, 2013 3:21 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Obama is at least keeping one area filled with jobs….certainly accidental I’m sure.
    Knives??? Interesting. Easy to keep in your purse. ;)


  25. rain of lead
    25 | January 12, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    errrr no
    she liked the big sharp scary ones
    sniff, I’m so proud


  26. Lily
    26 | January 12, 2013 3:26 pm


  27. 27 | January 12, 2013 3:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ rain of lead:

    Obama is at least keeping one area filled with jobs….certainly accidental I’m sure.
    Knives??? Interesting. Easy to keep in your purse.

    Don’t give those [Deleted] [Deleted]s I mentioned in my previous comment any ideas! Didn’t Britain outlaw certain knives?


  28. Lily
    28 | January 12, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    Just need a nice belt or a big purse. ;)


  29. rain of lead
    29 | January 12, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m thinking the school would not be to happy if she showed up with one strapped to her leg


  30. rain of lead
    30 | January 12, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ Macker:

    yeah, anything larger than a spork


  31. Lily
    31 | January 12, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ Macker:

    The problem is with Americans…if it is outlawed..a black market pops up…think of prohibition …worked out sooooooooo well there now it didn’t it??


  32. Lily
    32 | January 12, 2013 3:30 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’m thinking the school would not be to happy if she showed up with one strapped to her leg

    LOL!!! Weekend only wear there. ;)


  33. AZfederalist
    33 | January 12, 2013 3:31 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Lily:

    errrr no
    she liked the big sharp scary ones
    sniff, I’m so proud

    … and any future boyfriend should be very, very respectful.


  34. Lily
    34 | January 12, 2013 3:33 pm

    Song that reminds me of the obamas…really!


  35. RIX
    35 | January 12, 2013 3:37 pm

    @ Lily:
    Sounds like you are on the right track.


  36. Lily
    36 | January 12, 2013 3:37 pm

    Today is my anniversary!!! 33 years and counting!

    A song my hubby said reminded him of me….


  37. Lily
    37 | January 12, 2013 3:38 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yep getting there…thanks for asking Rix…


  38. Lily
    38 | January 12, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ Lily:

    Uhmmmm hubby just corrected me….it’s this song… :oops:


  39. heysoos
    39 | January 12, 2013 3:45 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:
    @ Lily:
    errrr no
    she liked the big sharp scary ones
    sniff, I’m so proud

    … and any future boyfriend should be very, very respectful.

    speaking of girls…mine and her best friend were juniors in HS, coming home in the friends car, late and dark…they were at a stop light when some guy casually strolled up unnoticed and threw a chunk of concrete through the open window and hit my daughter on the cheek and laid it open…she was instantly out of the, she caught the guy and nearly pulled him dowm…he popped her another time and got away…this was all from the police report…two years later she was college and they caught the guy for various stuff and one wass tossing bricks at cars…she ID’d on that then testified in court against him…I was there for that…the guy was 22 at that time a bit bigger than me and a lot bigger than her…and I actually believe he was afraid of her…he went to jail for a couple of years…some girls don’t take any shit and she’s one of them….daddy’s little girl


  40. Lily
    40 | January 12, 2013 3:48 pm


  41. AZfederalist
    41 | January 12, 2013 3:53 pm

    @ heysoos:

    There is hope for America. You’ve got a treasure there.


  42. heysoos
    42 | January 12, 2013 3:54 pm

    @ Lily:
    S&H Green Stamp sign…that goes back a ways…I somehow lost the ability to posts vids, other than just the link…I like people to see what it is without having to open the link….over at DoD, just cut and paste, which is about the limit of my skillz


  43. heysoos
    43 | January 12, 2013 3:56 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    There is hope for America. You’ve got a treasure there.

    I do and I thank my stars every day…she has two super kids and a good life going….she will be 30 tomorrow


  44. Lily
    44 | January 12, 2013 3:58 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Really? I know what you mean I like to have the little vid instead of just the link…are you putting the “v” in the right place. Like this:

    httpV://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tRdBsnX4N4 but make sure it is a lower case ‘v’….


  45. Lily
    45 | January 12, 2013 3:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    There is hope for America. You’ve got a treasure there.
    I do and I thank my stars every day…she has two super kids and a good life going….she will be 30 tomorrow

    One year younger than my oldest son. Who is a hero to me too!


  46. yenta-fada
    46 | January 12, 2013 4:00 pm

    @ Lily:

    HAPPY ANNIVERSARY! {{Lily}}


  47. heysoos
    47 | January 12, 2013 4:02 pm

    @ Lily:
    no…let me try it


  48. Lily
    48 | January 12, 2013 4:02 pm


  49. heysoos
    49 | January 12, 2013 4:03 pm

    @ Lily:
    YAAAAY!…thank you….
    you’ve opened my pandoras music box!….too cool


  50. Lily
    50 | January 12, 2013 4:05 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Got your skillz back!! ;)


  51. Lily
    51 | January 12, 2013 4:06 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Thanks {{Yenta}}!!!!! ;)


  52. heysoos
    52 | January 12, 2013 4:07 pm


  53. Lily
    53 | January 12, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Any time hey, any time. ;)


  54. Lily
    54 | January 12, 2013 4:08 pm


  55. heysoos
    55 | January 12, 2013 4:12 pm

    @ Lily:
    I used to post a ton of music at LGF back in the day…tried to post stuff that fit the mood or thread…sometimes I’d go nuts….but I turned folks on to quality music they never heard before, that was the best part, the whole intention


  56. Lily
    56 | January 12, 2013 4:13 pm

    I like this song because the bad hurricanes came in September in the last few years here …so wake me up when Sept. ends.


  57. Lily
    57 | January 12, 2013 4:15 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Welcome then….on dead threads like this..I post music. Whatever seems to flow with me is the case. ;)
    /oh and now you can post more than just a darn link. ;)


  58. heysoos
    58 | January 12, 2013 4:15 pm

    storm music?….no problam


  59. Calo
    59 | January 12, 2013 4:16 pm


  60. Lily
    60 | January 12, 2013 4:17 pm

    @ Calo:

    Hey {{{{Calo}}}! :)


  61. heysoos
    61 | January 12, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ Calo:
    oh shit…now that takes my breath away, every time


  62. Lily
    62 | January 12, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I’ll up you there….


  63. heysoos
    63 | January 12, 2013 4:19 pm

    rain music…


  64. heysoos
    64 | January 12, 2013 4:20 pm

    stiff competition


  65. Lily
    65 | January 12, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Indeed. ;)


  66. heysoos
    66 | January 12, 2013 4:22 pm

    hurricane music…


  67. Lily
    67 | January 12, 2013 4:24 pm


  68. heysoos
    68 | January 12, 2013 4:25 pm

    flood music…cool slide show


  69. 69 | January 12, 2013 4:26 pm

    That kinda thread? Okay…


  70. heysoos
    70 | January 12, 2013 4:26 pm

    burning bandwidth…but ya gotta get the message out


  71. Lily
    71 | January 12, 2013 4:27 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I have created a monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    /LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!


  72. Lily
    72 | January 12, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ heysoos:

    They will open up another thread if this one gets sluggish.


  73. Lily
    73 | January 12, 2013 4:29 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    You go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)


  74. Lily
    74 | January 12, 2013 4:31 pm

    @ Mike C.:


  75. heysoos
    75 | January 12, 2013 4:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    They will open up another thread if this one gets sluggish.

    I could post ‘southern’ music all day and never repeat myself


  76. 76 | January 12, 2013 4:33 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    You go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Okay…


  77. Lily
    77 | January 12, 2013 4:34 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I could too…until hubby says it’s time for the football game.
    /but I might repeat myself. ;)


  78. Lily
    78 | January 12, 2013 4:35 pm


  79. heysoos
    79 | January 12, 2013 4:35 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    I need something with more edge, dirty r/b


  80. heysoos
    80 | January 12, 2013 4:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I could too…until hubby says it’s time for the football game.
    /but I might repeat myself.

    most people are totally unaware of the musical legacy of NOLA, the Mississippi Delta blues, southern rock etc…the volume alone dwarfs any other region or style….southern music of all genres is the soul of America


  81. Lily
    81 | January 12, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Half to agree with you there. The music is rich.


  82. Lily
    82 | January 12, 2013 4:42 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMP…….HAVE
    /it’s Saturday and I’m still recovering. That’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it. ;)


  83. 83 | January 12, 2013 4:43 pm

    Or one I’ve personally sung/played around a campfire maybe a hundred times. Political song, too!

    And check out that long neck banjo!


  84. 84 | January 12, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Um, actually, a lot of southern/country music is basically Celtic in origin.


  85. Lily
    85 | January 12, 2013 4:47 pm

    Yeah I do believe the Bronco’s are going to beat the Ravens. Just a guess on my part and a little football song.


  86. heysoos
    86 | January 12, 2013 4:47 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Um, actually, a lot of southern/country music is basically Celtic in origin.

    and the Delta blues and gospel comes straight out of west Africa


  87. Lily
    87 | January 12, 2013 4:49 pm


  88. RIX
    88 | January 12, 2013 4:53 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Um, actually, a lot of southern/country music is basically Celtic in origin.

    True


  89. Lily
    89 | January 12, 2013 4:55 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yeah I do believe the Bronco’s are going to beat the Ravens.

    I might be wrong too.
    /thankfully I have not put any money on the game. ;)


  90. Lily
    90 | January 12, 2013 4:56 pm


  91. 91 | January 12, 2013 4:56 pm

    Two of my favorite songs (excluding the real ballads) from one of my all-time favorite performers…

    And my God, but he was young then. Weren’t we all?


  92. heysoos
    92 | January 12, 2013 4:59 pm

    to clarify…the blues and gospel are slave genres, directly related back to their African origins…turn of the century country music was heavily influenced by the Celts as MikeC points out…as these European immigrants moved into and through Appalachia, down across the south, they took with them the Celtic rhythms and the fiddle…and the music evolved into country music, western swing, rockabilly and eventually early rock and roll…as music travels it evolves due to the regional influences…pretty interesting stuff, at least to me


  93. Lily
    93 | January 12, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You forgot to add in there Blue Grass music…just sayin. ;)
    And speaking of that….


  94. heysoos
    94 | January 12, 2013 5:07 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You forgot to add in there Blue Grass music…just sayin.
    And speaking of that….

    I meant country music in terms of rural, not Nashville…American bluegrass is the purist form of music that MickC was alluding to…Celtic music with an American twang…but they are joined at the hip…every bluegrass festival you’ll ever attend will have some Celtic people there…and I’ve seen Celtic acoustic bands that flat out blew me away with the pounding rhythms and fine string work…the Celts, in my view, are the earliest rock and rollers


  95. Lily
    95 | January 12, 2013 5:13 pm

    @ heysoos:

    And there you have it. I actually had that song I posted played to me by a Blue Grass music player (I guess you can call it that) back in the day…well waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day. ;)


  96. heysoos
    96 | January 12, 2013 5:14 pm

    Ringo could never do this…
    Celtic drums
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96mB11cPYWY


  97. heysoos
    97 | January 12, 2013 5:17 pm

    Celts…this is just too cool


  98. Lily
    98 | January 12, 2013 5:22 pm


  99. heysoos
    99 | January 12, 2013 5:24 pm

    anybody here familiar with these guys?…awesome idea
    any music lover will dig this


  100. brookly red
    100 | January 12, 2013 5:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    I actually have that album… no turn table but lots of albums


  101. Lily
    101 | January 12, 2013 5:29 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I have tons of albums and my husband decided to update my stereo….guess what no turn table. I’m like what did you do????
    It was supposed to be a surprise for me…I wish he would have asked.
    I think they need to start making turn-tables again!!!!


  102. Lily
    102 | January 12, 2013 5:30 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Not to mention I love Bad Company! Hands down.


  103. heysoos
    103 | January 12, 2013 5:30 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I actually have that album… no turn table but lots of albums

    I have almost 2k vinyl records in storage, no way to play them


  104. Lily
    104 | January 12, 2013 5:31 pm


  105. brookly red
    105 | January 12, 2013 5:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I have tons of albums and my husband decided to update my stereo….guess what no turn table. I’m like what did you do????
    It was supposed to be a surprise for me…I wish he would have asked.
    I think they need to start making turn-tables again!!!!

    oh they make em and really good inexpensive ones… thats how all the hip-hop DJs do the scratching thing. You can get a really good on for 100 bucks.


  106. heysoos
    106 | January 12, 2013 5:33 pm

    Playing For Change
    Stevie Wonder
    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=3hGSqqhhokE


  107. Da_Beerfreak
    107 | January 12, 2013 5:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ RIX:
    How the hell can we be extreme if the Muslim Brotherhood is considered moderate?
    A mystery only revealed to the Progressive mind.

    Progressive’s have a mind??!! Learn something new everyday around here… :wink:


  108. brookly red
    108 | January 12, 2013 5:35 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ RIX:
    How the hell can we be extreme if the Muslim Brotherhood is considered moderate?
    A mystery only revealed to the Progressive mind.

    Progressive’s have a mind??!! Learn something new everyday around here…

    mostly they just mind…


  109. Lily
    109 | January 12, 2013 5:36 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I have tons of albums and my husband decided to update my stereo….guess what no turn table. I’m like what did you do????
    It was supposed to be a surprise for me…I wish he would have asked.
    I think they need to start making turn-tables again!!!!
    oh they make em and really good inexpensive ones… thats how all the hip-hop DJs do the scratching thing. You can get a really good on for 100 bucks.

    What I am going to have to do is basically buy me a whole new stereo system on my own. Because my hubby has no idea what I do with it or what I want in it. I just hate to hurt his feelings….but the time will come where I get what I need.


  110. Lily
    110 | January 12, 2013 5:40 pm

    @ brookly red:

    The main problem was he bought a reciever that just didn’t go with my turn-table and I really am just going to have to give what I do have to someone who will use it and start all over from the beginning…which reminds me of this song…


  111. brookly red
    111 | January 12, 2013 5:40 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I have tons of albums and my husband decided to update my stereo….guess what no turn table. I’m like what did you do????
    It was supposed to be a surprise for me…I wish he would have asked.
    I think they need to start making turn-tables again!!!!
    oh they make em and really good inexpensive ones… thats how all the hip-hop DJs do the scratching thing. You can get a really good on for 100 bucks.

    What I am going to have to do is basically buy me a whole new stereo system on my own. Because my hubby has no idea what I do with it or what I want in it. I just hate to hurt his feelings….but the time will come where I get what I need.

    89 bucks will get you this…http://www.staples.com/Jensen-JTA-475-3-Speed-Stereo-Turntable-with-CD-System-Cassette-and/product_486632… youi will feel like your back in high school


  112. Lily
    112 | January 12, 2013 5:44 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Not bad…even cassette (which I want)….can you make a cassette too with that? Once I get better I’m going to have to put that on my to do list.


  113. Lily
    113 | January 12, 2013 5:46 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    unclassifiable wrote:
    @ RIX:
    How the hell can we be extreme if the Muslim Brotherhood is considered moderate?
    A mystery only revealed to the Progressive mind.
    Progressive’s have a mind??!! Learn something new everyday around here…
    mostly they just mind…

    Always up in everybodies business for sure!


  114. 114 | January 12, 2013 5:46 pm

    I actually own a bodhrain -- a McClatchy, the only full-time maker in the ROI.

    ‘Course, I can’t play it worth a crap…


  115. brookly red
    115 | January 12, 2013 5:47 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Not bad…even cassette (which I want)….can you make a cassette too with that? Once I get better I’m going to have to put that on my to do list.

    don’t know but the point is you can get what you want for very little money


  116. heysoos
    116 | January 12, 2013 5:47 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    I actually own a bodhrain — a McClatchy, the only full-time maker in the ROI.
    ‘Course, I can’t play it worth a crap…

    yet, it’s a significant icon…keep it


  117. Lily
    117 | January 12, 2013 5:49 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Not bad…even cassette (which I want)….can you make a cassette too with that? Once I get better I’m going to have to put that on my to do list.
    don’t know but the point is you can get what you want for very little money

    Oh I know! Thanks. I just haven’t looked around either. But I do need to undo what my hubby did to my stereo system. I’ve been sick so long I never even thought to look around on the net. “Duh!” on my part really. Thanks.


  118. Lily
    118 | January 12, 2013 5:51 pm

    I just have a ton of music on albums, cassettes and cd’s…so whatever I get I need all three.


  119. Lily
    119 | January 12, 2013 5:57 pm

    Everyone left?


  120. heysoos
    120 | January 12, 2013 5:58 pm

    you got this record?…it’s a must for blues folk


  121. Lily
    121 | January 12, 2013 6:02 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Nope I don’t have that one. Me and music are personal. I don’t know how to explain it other than the lyric’s and the music have to connect to me and then it becomes personnal. If I listen to a song that I listened to in the 70′s I suddenly am back in the 70′s…or if I listen to a song with lyric’s that connect to me then it becomes personnal too. I like just about all types of music. Each song …is a feeling, memory or a connection to me if I like it.


  122. brookly red
    122 | January 12, 2013 6:03 pm

    OT… i hear the man on the radio saying we got a flu epidemic in NYC, but I don’t know a single sick person and no one called in sick at work last week (we got over 400)… but the man one the radio says I need a flu shot right away !!11!


  123. Lily
    123 | January 12, 2013 6:05 pm

    So this song is awesome to me..for some reason.


  124. heysoos
    124 | January 12, 2013 6:07 pm

    @ Lily:
    I think that’s universal…you might like this take on Motown


  125. Lily
    125 | January 12, 2013 6:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    OT… i hear the man on the radio saying we got a flu epidemic in NYC, but I don’t know a single sick person and no one called in sick at work last week (we got over 400)… but the man one the radio says I need a flu shot right away !!11!

    WOW!!! Same thing is going on down here too! An epidemic flu problem. I know no one sick either. And the paper said I NEED A FLU SHOT PDQ!!!
    A flu shot will make me very, very sick. So the whole country has a flu epidemic?????


  126. Lily
    126 | January 12, 2013 6:10 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Only music lovers feel this way!!! I know some people that don’t feel as connected as I do. They just like music…me it goes a little more than like….it’s poetry in motion. ;)


  127. heysoos
    127 | January 12, 2013 6:10 pm

    the blues…it’s an acquire taste, like Blue Mountain coffee


  128. Calo
    128 | January 12, 2013 6:10 pm

    @ Lily:
    Heh. I was in the pharmacy yesterday and turned my “free” flu shot down.


  129. Da_Beerfreak
    129 | January 12, 2013 6:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I just have a ton of music on albums, cassettes and cd’s…so whatever I get I need all three.

    If your new stereo system has an unused aux input you could use something like this pre-amp for the short term.


  130. Calo
    130 | January 12, 2013 6:12 pm

    @ heysoos:
    But, I will never turn down Blue Mountain coffee.


  131. Da_Beerfreak
    131 | January 12, 2013 6:14 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I just have a ton of music on albums, cassettes and cd’s…so whatever I get I need all three.

    If your new stereo system has an unused aux input you could use something like this pre-amp for the short term.

    Hey you big dummy. You forgot the link thingy… :oops:
    Magnetic Cartridge Stereo Pre-Amp

    It’s been one of those days…


  132. Lily
    132 | January 12, 2013 6:15 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Heh. I was in the pharmacy yesterday and turned my “free” flu shot down.

    No kidding! That is a sure thing on getting me sick if I get one of those. I may be odd…but I will get the flu if I get that damn shot. I am living proof that the shot makes you sick….I don’t care what they say…and that is just what I need right now of all times!!!


  133. brookly red
    133 | January 12, 2013 6:16 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Heh. I was in the pharmacy yesterday and turned my “free” flu shot down.

    /hello I am here from the government to give you free germs…


  134. heysoos
    134 | January 12, 2013 6:18 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    But, I will never turn down Blue Mountain coffee.

    I don’t like it, but I always bought it to give away…Krogers is fine with me


  135. Lily
    135 | January 12, 2013 6:20 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Thanks! But hubby even got rid of my turn-table. He really thought he was getting me a nice stereo…problem is I don’t even know how to work it! And that is a new one…I can figure stereo systems out. I need to start all new from the ground up and basically build it myself or when my brother visits have him hook me up with what I want and need in a system. My husband just doesn’t understand what type of system I need or what. He thought he was doing good!


  136. Lily
    136 | January 12, 2013 6:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Heh. I was in the pharmacy yesterday and turned my “free” flu shot down.
    /hello I am here from the government to give you free germs…

    No kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  137. Lily
    137 | January 12, 2013 6:23 pm


  138. Da_Beerfreak
    138 | January 12, 2013 6:26 pm

    @ Lily:
    Ouch!!


  139. Lily
    139 | January 12, 2013 6:27 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Everyday is one of those days for me. Really!


  140. Lily
    140 | January 12, 2013 6:29 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Ouch!!

    Yeah! I thought “What did you do?” But said “Thank-you!” Bless his heart he tried.


  141. Lily
    141 | January 12, 2013 6:31 pm


  142. heysoos
    142 | January 12, 2013 7:20 pm

    I hope Manning loses, I don’t any of them


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