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Journalists reject personal ‘gun-free zone’ signs

by 1389AD ( 341 Comments › )
Filed under Media, Open thread, Second Amendment, Weapons at January 13th, 2013 - 12:11 pm
Yard sign: Citizens Against Senseless Violence. THIS HOME IS PROUDLY GUN FREE!

World Net Daily has the story:

Although many members of the news media publicly endorse officially designating schools, movie theaters and other venues as “gun-free zones,” you’d never know it from their private actions.

Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe – best known for his devastating 2009 undercover video exposé of ACORN, and many other hidden-camera scoops, including a recent video of a Democrat campaign operative plotting vote fraud – says many media members are reluctant to proclaim their support for “gun-free zones” if it gets too close to home.

The project already is viral, with thousands on a Facebook page about it, even though the video is not yet available.

O’Keefe’s crew asked journalists working for CNN, MSNBC and others whether they would put a sign in their lawn that says “Citizens Against Senseless Violence. THIS HOME IS PROUDLY GUN FREE!”

“No journalist wanted the sign,” he says. “Many journalists had armed guards.”

“We also showed up at Eric Holder’s house,” O’Keefe added. “Authorities came to protect him.”

“Incidentally, the sign was left on only one person’s lawn (a non-journalist we used as a decoy to legitimize across the street). … Someone driving by later took a pic. It has now gone viral on Facebook via pro-gun groups,” O’Keefe said.

The video that will result from the interviews and visits will be released soon, he said.
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  1. brookly red
    1 | January 13, 2013 1:57 pm

    corrupt does not mean stupid…


  2. 2 | January 13, 2013 2:00 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    corrupt does not mean stupid…

    Bingo…. Thread winnar…. :twisted:


  3. brookly red
    3 | January 13, 2013 2:02 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    corrupt does not mean stupid…

    Bingo…. Thread winnar….

    and on the first try! Dyam!


  4. Mars
    4 | January 13, 2013 2:03 pm

    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.


  5. brookly red
    5 | January 13, 2013 2:04 pm

    Seriously O’Keefe style activism is the best weapon we have against tyranny


  6. brookly red
    6 | January 13, 2013 2:05 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.

    I just figured out what to tell the fund raisers when they call… sorry loser I am sending it to Veritas.


  7. Mars
    7 | January 13, 2013 2:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.

    I just figured out what to tell the fund raisers when they call… sorry loser I am sending it to Veritas.

    Heck yes. Could you imagine how effective O’Keefe could be if we actually had an independent press?


  8. brookly red
    8 | January 13, 2013 2:09 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.

    I just figured out what to tell the fund raisers when they call… sorry loser I am sending it to Veritas.

    Heck yes. Could you imagine how effective O’Keefe could be if we actually had an independent press?

    if we had that we wouldn’t need him…


  9. RIX
    9 | January 13, 2013 2:12 pm

    Journalists tend not to be the most consistent types.
    They tend to be very trendy & empty headed.
    I took some journalism in College as electives.
    The J majors were not threatening to overrun Mensa


  10. 10 | January 13, 2013 2:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Journalists tend not to be the most consistent types.
    They tend to be very trendy & empty headed.
    I took some journalism in College as electives.
    The J majors were not threatening to overrun Mensa

    Hell, they couldn’t even overrun Densa


  11. Mars
    11 | January 13, 2013 2:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.
    I just figured out what to tell the fund raisers when they call… sorry loser I am sending it to Veritas.
    Heck yes. Could you imagine how effective O’Keefe could be if we actually had an independent press?

    if we had that we wouldn’t need him…

    Unfortunately true.


  12. RIX
    12 | January 13, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    That’s funny & clever, Proud Densa Members!
    When J school students are polled for their reasons
    for taking Journalism today, the rarely say to report
    the facts.
    They say “to make a difference”. That is a fundamental
    misunderstanding of their role & why they censor & can
    no longer be trusted.


  13. brookly red
    13 | January 13, 2013 2:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.
    I just figured out what to tell the fund raisers when they call… sorry loser I am sending it to Veritas.
    Heck yes. Could you imagine how effective O’Keefe could be if we actually had an independent press?

    if we had that we wouldn’t need him…

    Unfortunately true.

    I can remember last Fall when the Acorn (or whatever they call them selves now) people had a booth in Union Sq. registering foreign tourists to vote (they thought they were signing a petition) using their hotel address…


  14. 14 | January 13, 2013 2:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.

    The GOP a the national level is useless. They are unimaginative. Take foreign policy, all the GOP calls for is military intervention on behalf of Islamic groups. Yet the party claims it’s against Islamic terror. The treat the press with respect as well.

    I’ve come to conclusion the GOP at the national level is useless and just a straw man for Democrats.

    Look at this idiot Gingrey talking about Rape again. They really do not learn.

    I do not see the GOP winning another national election until 2020 at the earliest.


  15. Mars
    15 | January 13, 2013 2:20 pm

    The collective tech and geek blogosphere has lost their collective minds.

    http://mashable.com/2013/01/12/obama-star-wars-tribute/

    This is probably the 100th article I’ve stumbled in the last couple days proclaiming the “genius” of Obamas response to the White House petition to build a death star.

    One small problem.

    Obama didn’t write it, Paul Shawcross did. Obama probably didn’t even see it. Yet every single site applauds Obama and credits him. And of course they have to list all of the wons geek cred when they do it.

    How do we penetrate this level of ignorance? These are supposedly geeks and techies, the smartest of the smart, yet none of them are capable of an ounce of objective thought in order to analyze the actual facts. Instead the proceed with the mindless idol worship copied by the MSM.

    How do you make people actually think?


  16. Mars
    16 | January 13, 2013 2:22 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    That’s funny & clever, Proud Densa Members!
    When J school students are polled for their reasons
    for taking Journalism today, the rarely say to report
    the facts.
    They say “to make a difference”. That is a fundamental
    misunderstanding of their role & why they censor & can
    no longer be trusted.

    I have a link I found yesterday. Let me see if I can find it again. It’s from Rush and is pretty enlightening.


  17. Mars
    17 | January 13, 2013 2:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.

    The GOP a the national level is useless. They are unimaginative. Take foreign policy, all the GOP calls for is military intervention on behalf of Islamic groups. Yet the party claims it’s against Islamic terror. The treat the press with respect as well.
    I’ve come to conclusion the GOP at the national level is useless and just a straw man for Democrats.
    Look at this idiot Gingrey talking about Rape again. They really do not learn.
    I do not see the GOP winning another national election until 2020 at the earliest.

    Like I said on the other thread. How do we separate the fairly effective local GOP from the corrupt and elitist national party? Creating a new party is going to be nearly impossible because of this dichotomy.


  18. brookly red
    18 | January 13, 2013 2:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Obama didn’t write it, Paul Shawcross did.

    and make 176,000 to do so

    Mars wrote:

    How do you make people actually think?

    cut of their welfare


  19. Mars
    19 | January 13, 2013 2:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    That’s funny & clever, Proud Densa Members!
    When J school students are polled for their reasons
    for taking Journalism today, the rarely say to report
    the facts.
    They say “to make a difference”. That is a fundamental
    misunderstanding of their role & why they censor & can
    no longer be trusted.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/11/journalists_think_you_re_stupid

    Here you go.


  20. Lily
    20 | January 13, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ Mars:

    How do you make people actually think?

    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.


  21. Mars
    21 | January 13, 2013 2:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Once again Veritas is doing the work the law and the GOP won’t do.
    I just figured out what to tell the fund raisers when they call… sorry loser I am sending it to Veritas.
    Heck yes. Could you imagine how effective O’Keefe could be if we actually had an independent press?
    if we had that we wouldn’t need him…
    Unfortunately true.

    I can remember last Fall when the Acorn (or whatever they call them selves now) people had a booth in Union Sq. registering foreign tourists to vote (they thought they were signing a petition) using their hotel address…

    Yeah I have a feeling that the booths outside OPA are done by some form of ACORN style group.


  22. Mars
    22 | January 13, 2013 2:26 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Obama didn’t write it, Paul Shawcross did.
    and make 176,000 to do so
    Mars wrote:
    How do you make people actually think?
    cut of their welfare

    Doesn’t work with the people on the tech blogs. These are people working in the tech industry and they still can’t think critically.

    Try again.


  23. brookly red
    23 | January 13, 2013 2:27 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:

    How do you make people actually think?

    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.

    you cut off their entitlements… plain and simple. The hungrier you are the better you think.


  24. Mars
    24 | January 13, 2013 2:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.

    It’s gone beyond odd. People at all levels of intellect and community standing have completely given themselves over to this. It’s like demonic possession.


  25. Lily
    25 | January 13, 2013 2:28 pm

    @ Mars:

    When it comes to obama people really, really refuse to see the truth. Obama is like teflon nothing sticks if it’s negative…if it is something postitive yet untrue..it does stick like it’s burnt on.


  26. brookly red
    26 | January 13, 2013 2:29 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Obama didn’t write it, Paul Shawcross did.
    and make 176,000 to do so
    Mars wrote:
    How do you make people actually think?
    cut of their welfare

    Doesn’t work with the people on the tech blogs. These are people working in the tech industry and they still can’t think critically.

    Try again.

    when people can’t buy their shit with other people’s money they will cease to exist.


  27. Mars
    27 | January 13, 2013 2:31 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.

    you cut off their entitlements… plain and simple. The hungrier you are the better you think.

    You’re fooling yourself if you think those are the only people supporting the won and this line of ignorant thinking. The example I put up is of generally intelligent people in industry. People at EVERY level in this country have lost their shit.

    Cutting of entitlements is a great dream, but if you do it the way you have stated then you have just handed the dems exactly what they are looking for. Cloward Piven wins. The riots begin and the great and powerful liberal leaders begin proscribing cures that end all freedom once and for all.

    I find it amazing how many conservatives are just willing to hand liberals their communist utopia to prove a point.


  28. brookly red
    28 | January 13, 2013 2:31 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.

    It’s gone beyond odd. People at all levels of intellect and community standing have completely given themselves over to this. It’s like demonic possession.

    not like demonic possession, actual demonic possession a total Godlessness that will not be allowed to go on forever.


  29. Lily
    29 | January 13, 2013 2:32 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    It’s gone beyond odd. People at all levels of intellect and community standing have completely given themselves over to this. It’s like demonic possession.

    A rather apt observation. Because they cannot tell the difference between good and evil either.


  30. brookly red
    30 | January 13, 2013 2:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    It’s gone beyond odd. People at all levels of intellect and community standing have completely given themselves over to this. It’s like demonic possession.

    A rather apt observation. Because they cannot tell the difference between good and evil either.

    the road to hell is paved with what? LOL


  31. Mars
    31 | January 13, 2013 2:34 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Obama didn’t write it, Paul Shawcross did.
    and make 176,000 to do so
    Mars wrote:
    How do you make people actually think?
    cut of their welfare
    Doesn’t work with the people on the tech blogs. These are people working in the tech industry and they still can’t think critically.
    Try again.

    when people can’t buy their shit with other people’s money they will cease to exist.

    ??? Are you even reading what you write today? I’m talking about people in industry that won’t particularly be affected by entitlement cuts. These are people largely supported by the middle class. I’m talking about people operating tech support for corporations. I’m glad you see that entitlements need to be done away with, but I don’t really see how that has anything to do with a damn thing I’ve said.


  32. Lily
    32 | January 13, 2013 2:35 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    you cut off their entitlements… plain and simple. The hungrier you are the better you think.

    It goes beyond the people that get *free* stuff. I mean there is a lot of people who pull their on load in life and refuse to see obama is bad for this country. In fact they twist themselves into pretzels to defend the loser. It is something to behold and personally you cannot reason with them either. You are wrong they are right. Period.


  33. Mars
    33 | January 13, 2013 2:36 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    It’s gone beyond odd. People at all levels of intellect and community standing have completely given themselves over to this. It’s like demonic possession.

    not like demonic possession, actual demonic possession a total Godlessness that will not be allowed to go on forever.

    You could be right.


  34. Mars
    34 | January 13, 2013 2:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    you cut off their entitlements… plain and simple. The hungrier you are the better you think.
    It goes beyond the people that get *free* stuff. I mean there is a lot of people who pull their on load in life and refuse to see obama is bad for this country. In fact they twist themselves into pretzels to defend the loser. It is something to behold and personally you cannot reason with them either. You are wrong they are right. Period.

    Exactly it. Critical thinking and debate no longer exist with these people. It is completely insane. The cognitive dissonance is beyond belief.

    It used to be we had debate in this country. Now we have lectures. The President lectures us as children, the press lectures us, the congress lectures us, the schools lecture us.

    There is no form of debate in this country anymore.


  35. brookly red
    35 | January 13, 2013 2:41 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Obama didn’t write it, Paul Shawcross did.
    and make 176,000 to do so
    Mars wrote:
    How do you make people actually think?
    cut of their welfare
    Doesn’t work with the people on the tech blogs. These are people working in the tech industry and they still can’t think critically.
    Try again.

    when people can’t buy their shit with other people’s money they will cease to exist.

    ??? Are you even reading what you write today? I’m talking about people in industry that won’t particularly be affected by entitlement cuts. These are people largely supported by the middle class. I’m talking about people operating tech support for corporations. I’m glad you see that entitlements need to be done away with, but I don’t really see how that has anything to do with a damn thing I’ve said.

    well yes I am being a bit snarky, but so much is generated by consumerism. A lot of these teckies work making consumer products, and consumers pay their salaries… it all come down to money in the end


  36. Da_Beerfreak
    36 | January 13, 2013 2:45 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    the road to hell is paved with what? LOL

    The 10 o’clock news reports… :twisted:


  37. RIX
    37 | January 13, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ Mars:
    Sums it up well, doesn’t it?
    Piers Mogan is a perfect example of low talent insulting journalist.
    He is not smart enough to know that he is not smart.
    Yet he calls any disagreement stupid.


  38. brookly red
    38 | January 13, 2013 2:46 pm

    Mars wrote:

    There is no form of debate in this country anymore.

    There is plenty of debate, the problem is agenda, not lack of debate. I give Obamacare as an example, it has been debated, the majority does not want it, but the agenda of the elites trumps the will of the people. THAT is the problem.


  39. Lily
    39 | January 13, 2013 2:47 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    you cut off their entitlements… plain and simple. The hungrier you are the better you think.
    It goes beyond the people that get *free* stuff. I mean there is a lot of people who pull their on load in life and refuse to see obama is bad for this country. In fact they twist themselves into pretzels to defend the loser. It is something to behold and personally you cannot reason with them either. You are wrong they are right. Period.
    Exactly it. Critical thinking and debate no longer exist with these people. It is completely insane. The cognitive dissonance is beyond belief.
    It used to be we had debate in this country. Now we have lectures. The President lectures us as children, the press lectures us, the congress lectures us, the schools lecture us.
    There is no form of debate in this country anymore.

    There is no debate at all and if you try to debate the *emotional* ranting comes to the surface and all kinds of stupid come with it. And yes the media the news everyone who can get some media time is telling everyone what to do. It is even going on at the personnal level also. These people see themselves as living the *perfect* life and you need to follow them because they know better than you. It is really annoying. Good grief. They also blow a problem or a negative situation out of whack….it’s to the moon they go with it. Like it has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it’s that bad.


  40. Da_Beerfreak
    40 | January 13, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ Mars:
    Clever Mushrooms vs. the stupid Mushrooms. They are all still Mushrooms eating all the same crap the msm feeds them.


  41. Mars
    41 | January 13, 2013 2:49 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    There is no form of debate in this country anymore.
    There is plenty of debate, the problem is agenda, not lack of debate. I give Obamacare as an example, it has been debated, the majority does not want it, but the agenda of the elites trumps the will of the people. THAT is the problem.

    Ok more to the point. We debate, the lecture. The libs have given up debate, they no longer debate in a fashion that would be recognizable to anyone who understands the process.


  42. brookly red
    42 | January 13, 2013 2:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Sums it up well, doesn’t it?
    Piers Mogan is a perfect example of low talent insulting journalist.
    He is not smart enough to know that he is not smart.
    Yet he calls any disagreement stupid.

    that is the cardinal sin of warfare to underestimate your enemy, he is very smart, and also completely evil. my very first post on this thread “corrupt does not mean stupid” … he has his, and is perfectly willing to lie and mislead to maintain it. He carries the devils water, no more & no lees.


  43. Mars
    43 | January 13, 2013 2:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    you cut off their entitlements… plain and simple. The hungrier you are the better you think.
    It goes beyond the people that get *free* stuff. I mean there is a lot of people who pull their on load in life and refuse to see obama is bad for this country. In fact they twist themselves into pretzels to defend the loser. It is something to behold and personally you cannot reason with them either. You are wrong they are right. Period.
    Exactly it. Critical thinking and debate no longer exist with these people. It is completely insane. The cognitive dissonance is beyond belief.
    It used to be we had debate in this country. Now we have lectures. The President lectures us as children, the press lectures us, the congress lectures us, the schools lecture us.
    There is no form of debate in this country anymore.
    There is no debate at all and if you try to debate the *emotional* ranting comes to the surface and all kinds of stupid come with it. And yes the media the news everyone who can get some media time is telling everyone what to do. It is even going on at the personnal level also. These people see themselves as living the *perfect* life and you need to follow them because they know better than you. It is really annoying. Good grief. They also blow a problem or a negative situation out of whack….it’s to the moon they go with it. Like it has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it’s that bad.

    Oh but don’t you know, it will be different this time, because they are in charge. After all every lib believes there has never been anyone as aware as they are, as smart as they are, and as important as they are.

    They don’t realize that every generation of communist has believed exactly the same thing.


  44. Lily
    44 | January 13, 2013 2:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    There is no form of debate in this country anymore.
    There is plenty of debate, the problem is agenda, not lack of debate. I give Obamacare as an example, it has been debated, the majority does not want it, but the agenda of the elites trumps the will of the people. THAT is the problem.

    I don’t know. I know a lot of the little people who voted for obama who don’t know what is coming down the pipe with obamacare and refuse to believe obamacare is going to cost you a rather large chunk of money. You would be surprised how many people think it is a *good* thing! So I ask them how is it going to be paid for???? Well taxes is the answer…but they will not be effected by these taxes apparently. No matter what you tell them…the answer is always “THAT’S NOT TRUE!” Then I say “PROVE ME WRONG THEN!” For instance just this week I have told one that IRS agents are going to be in charge of obamacare…”OH COME ON THAT IS NOT TRUE AND REALLY OUT OF LINE.” Really they don’t know and refuse to look into it too. Again I say “Prove me wrong then!”


  45. brookly red
    45 | January 13, 2013 2:54 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Ok more to the point. We debate, the lecture. The libs have given up debate, they no longer debate in a fashion that would be recognizable to anyone who understands the process.

    they haven’t given up anything debate was never a part of the liberal mindset… why debate with inferiors? Does a dog ask why he should sit?


  46. RIX
    46 | January 13, 2013 2:55 pm

    @ Lily:
    Hi Lilly. There is no way to tell this story without the anti-stalker stalkers
    calling it racism, so I’ll just tell it.
    I was at the health club this morning and notices a rather large Black woman
    taking a break.
    My thought was , “good for you, you’re getting in shape for the New Year.
    A little later she walked past me & I noticed she was wearing a shirt with
    a big picture of Obama on the front , front framed by the Presidential Seal.The whole time that I was there, she just kept walking around.
    This is a Republican area, so it seemed like, “In your face!”


  47. Lily
    47 | January 13, 2013 2:56 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Clever Mushrooms vs. the stupid Mushrooms. They are all still Mushrooms eating all the same crap the msm feeds them.

    Yep!


  48. brookly red
    48 | January 13, 2013 2:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    There is no form of debate in this country anymore.
    There is plenty of debate, the problem is agenda, not lack of debate. I give Obamacare as an example, it has been debated, the majority does not want it, but the agenda of the elites trumps the will of the people. THAT is the problem.

    I don’t know. I know a lot of the little people who voted for obama who don’t know what is coming down the pipe with obamacare and refuse to believe obamacare is going to cost you a rather large chunk of money. You would be surprised how many people think it is a *good* thing! So I ask them how is it going to be paid for???? Well taxes is the answer…but they will not be effected by these taxes apparently. No matter what you tell them…the answer is always “THAT’S NOT TRUE!” Then I say “PROVE ME WRONG THEN!” For instance just this week I have told one that IRS agents are going to be in charge of obamacare…”OH COME ON THAT IS NOT TRUE AND REALLY OUT OF LINE.” Really they don’t know and refuse to look into it too. Again I say “Prove me wrong then!”

    I will quote my grandparents back in Germany. “It couldn’t happen here” they were wrong, dead wrong.


  49. Mars
    49 | January 13, 2013 2:57 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Sums it up well, doesn’t it?
    Piers Mogan is a perfect example of low talent insulting journalist.
    He is not smart enough to know that he is not smart.
    Yet he calls any disagreement stupid.

    that is the cardinal sin of warfare to underestimate your enemy, he is very smart, and also completely evil. my very first post on this thread “corrupt does not mean stupid” … he has his, and is perfectly willing to lie and mislead to maintain it. He carries the devils water, no more & no lees.

    Yep. He’s not the brightest bulb in the bunch but he does realize that he can lie out his ass and still get the mindless worship of the drones. Of course if he goes back to England he’ll get his ass in trouble.

    There is one thing though, with that kind of attitude comes a high level of arrogance. And where there’s arrogance there’s a tendency to repeat your past mistakes, after all you’re smarter than the people around you and only got caught because they were lucky. Give him time, eventually he’ll pull something else along the lines of his phone tapping scandal. He’s way to cocky not to.


  50. brookly red
    50 | January 13, 2013 2:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Sums it up well, doesn’t it?
    Piers Mogan is a perfect example of low talent insulting journalist.
    He is not smart enough to know that he is not smart.
    Yet he calls any disagreement stupid.

    that is the cardinal sin of warfare to underestimate your enemy, he is very smart, and also completely evil. my very first post on this thread “corrupt does not mean stupid” … he has his, and is perfectly willing to lie and mislead to maintain it. He carries the devils water, no more & no lees.

    Yep. He’s not the brightest bulb in the bunch but he does realize that he can lie out his ass and still get the mindless worship of the drones. Of course if he goes back to England he’ll get his ass in trouble.

    There is one thing though, with that kind of attitude comes a high level of arrogance. And where there’s arrogance there’s a tendency to repeat your past mistakes, after all you’re smarter than the people around you and only got caught because they were lucky. Give him time, eventually he’ll pull something else along the lines of his phone tapping scandal. He’s way to cocky not to.

    pride commeth before the fall…


  51. Mars
    51 | January 13, 2013 2:59 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    There is no form of debate in this country anymore.
    There is plenty of debate, the problem is agenda, not lack of debate. I give Obamacare as an example, it has been debated, the majority does not want it, but the agenda of the elites trumps the will of the people. THAT is the problem.
    I don’t know. I know a lot of the little people who voted for obama who don’t know what is coming down the pipe with obamacare and refuse to believe obamacare is going to cost you a rather large chunk of money. You would be surprised how many people think it is a *good* thing! So I ask them how is it going to be paid for???? Well taxes is the answer…but they will not be effected by these taxes apparently. No matter what you tell them…the answer is always “THAT’S NOT TRUE!” Then I say “PROVE ME WRONG THEN!” For instance just this week I have told one that IRS agents are going to be in charge of obamacare…”OH COME ON THAT IS NOT TRUE AND REALLY OUT OF LINE.” Really they don’t know and refuse to look into it too. Again I say “Prove me wrong then!”

    Take a look at all the outrage on the dem forums (most of which have been deleted) about how the taxes on their paychecks have jumped after the first of the year. It wasn’t supposed to happen to them. The most common thing I’ve seen is this comment “But, Obama said only the rich would pay!”


  52. Lily
    52 | January 13, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ Mars:

    Oh but don’t you know, it will be different this time, because they are in charge. After all every lib believes there has never been anyone as aware as they are, as smart as they are, and as important as they are.

    They don’t realize that every generation of communist has believed exactly the same thing

    And the really odd thing is a lot of people who believe this way don’t even realize that they thinking and agreeing with the communists!!! Unreal to be honest.


  53. brookly red
    53 | January 13, 2013 3:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    And the really odd thing is a lot of people who believe this way don’t even realize that they thinking and agreeing with the communists!!! Unreal to be honest.

    I am better than you, do it my way so we can be equal.


  54. Mars
    54 | January 13, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Yep. Tenet one of liberalism, there is nothing more important or powerful than yourself. Tenet two: the only reason that communism/socialism/liberalism failed in the past is because you weren’t in charge. Tenet three: The only reason you got caught before when you did something wrong is because the other side was lucky, you are far too smart to make a mistake that would get you caught.


  55. RIX
    55 | January 13, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Morgan may not be stupid, but he does think that everybody else is.
    At the very least though, he is incapable of critical thought.


  56. Mars
    56 | January 13, 2013 3:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    And the really odd thing is a lot of people who believe this way don’t even realize that they thinking and agreeing with the communists!!! Unreal to be honest.
    I am better than you, do it my way so we can be equal.

    However, keep in mind that your equality will not be equal to my equality. Since I am the one who has all the ideas I of course will have to be in charge. This comes with various perks and benefits that of course I will have to suffer with in order to make sure that your life is as standardized as possible.


  57. Mars
    57 | January 13, 2013 3:06 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Morgan may not be stupid, but he does think that everybody else is.
    At the very least though, he is incapable of critical thought.

    Oh trust me, he’s stupid. I’ve read up on his crap in Britain and he didn’t even do a halfway decent job of covering up. He is a prime example of arrogance combined with stupidity.


  58. Lily
    58 | January 13, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ RIX:

    Well it sounds like it was in your face to be honest.
    We won, you lost! Get over it and deal with it!

    When I had my two spells of chest pain…..at least 3 people told me I was over reacting that obama was re-elected and that I just needed to get over it and deal with it. After my surgery ….they never said they were sorry…but just we didn’t know you were sick (so therefore I am not responsible for the horrible things I said to you). I honestly cannot tell you how many people have told me, “We didn’t know you were sick!” Well guess what I didn’t know either but didn’t treat all of you like you treated me.


  59. Lily
    59 | January 13, 2013 3:10 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I will quote my grandparents back in Germany. “It couldn’t happen here” they were wrong, dead wrong

    .

    Oh indeed! When you refuse to look at the person you are voting for, when you refuse to do a little research, when you go on the sound bites alone, when you believe the lies and don’t question what you are being told you have no idea what you are voting into office.


  60. brookly red
    60 | January 13, 2013 3:12 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Morgan may not be stupid, but he does think that everybody else is.
    At the very least though, he is incapable of critical thought.

    Really? incapable of critical thought? do you think him innocent? do you wish to forgive him because he knows not what he does? I would not be so forgiving. He knows damn well what he is doing and so do the people who pay him to do it. Rule 1 name the enemy.


  61. Lily
    61 | January 13, 2013 3:14 pm

    @ Mars:

    Take a look at all the outrage on the dem forums (most of which have been deleted) about how the taxes on their paychecks have jumped after the first of the year. It wasn’t supposed to happen to them. The most common thing I’ve seen is this comment “But, Obama said only the rich would pay!”

    Fools! Boy are they in store for a lot of surprises now aren’t they? This is only the beginning. I really am annoyed with these fools who believed all the damn lies.


  62. Mars
    62 | January 13, 2013 3:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Take a look at all the outrage on the dem forums (most of which have been deleted) about how the taxes on their paychecks have jumped after the first of the year. It wasn’t supposed to happen to them. The most common thing I’ve seen is this comment “But, Obama said only the rich would pay!”
    Fools! Boy are they in store for a lot of surprises now aren’t they? This is only the beginning. I really am annoyed with these fools who believed all the damn lies.

    Both Dem underground and Kos have begun deleting threads and blocking users for posting about their taxes increasing. If you can’t talk about it, then it didn’t happen.


  63. brookly red
    63 | January 13, 2013 3:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I will quote my grandparents back in Germany. “It couldn’t happen here” they were wrong, dead wrong

    .

    Oh indeed! When you refuse to look at the person you are voting for, when you refuse to do a little research, when you go on the sound bites alone, when you believe the lies and don’t question what you are being told you have no idea what you are voting into office.

    I am not a big gun nut but I can read the writing on the wall… my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.


  64. brookly red
    64 | January 13, 2013 3:20 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Take a look at all the outrage on the dem forums (most of which have been deleted) about how the taxes on their paychecks have jumped after the first of the year. It wasn’t supposed to happen to them. The most common thing I’ve seen is this comment “But, Obama said only the rich would pay!”
    Fools! Boy are they in store for a lot of surprises now aren’t they? This is only the beginning. I really am annoyed with these fools who believed all the damn lies.

    Both Dem underground and Kos have begun deleting threads and blocking users for posting about their taxes increasing. If you can’t talk about it, then it didn’t happen.

    Hunan fried rice.


  65. Lily
    65 | January 13, 2013 3:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Morgan may not be stupid, but he does think that everybody else is.
    At the very least though, he is incapable of critical thought.
    Really? incapable of critical thought? do you think him innocent? do you wish to forgive him because he knows not what he does? I would not be so forgiving. He knows damn well what he is doing and so do the people who pay him to do it. Rule 1 name the enemy.

    I don’t consider people who are not thinking critically …innocent. We are talking about people who are *willfully* not thinking.


  66. Mars
    66 | January 13, 2013 3:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I will quote my grandparents back in Germany. “It couldn’t happen here” they were wrong, dead wrong
    .
    Oh indeed! When you refuse to look at the person you are voting for, when you refuse to do a little research, when you go on the sound bites alone, when you believe the lies and don’t question what you are being told you have no idea what you are voting into office.

    I am not a big gun nut but I can read the writing on the wall… my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.

    Not quite there yet, but getting closer every day. That’s why I oppose registration. It just hands your name and address and how many guns you own over to the feds.

    Then again, I heard a call on one of the AM talk shows the other day from a cop who said there was no way in hell he was going to assist in confiscation.

    I think there’s a good number out there that feel that way.


  67. Lily
    67 | January 13, 2013 3:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Take a look at all the outrage on the dem forums (most of which have been deleted) about how the taxes on their paychecks have jumped after the first of the year. It wasn’t supposed to happen to them. The most common thing I’ve seen is this comment “But, Obama said only the rich would pay!”
    Fools! Boy are they in store for a lot of surprises now aren’t they? This is only the beginning. I really am annoyed with these fools who believed all the damn lies.
    Both Dem underground and Kos have begun deleting threads and blocking users for posting about their taxes increasing. If you can’t talk about it, then it didn’t happen.

    What are they afraid of? The truth getting out? This has been a problem for a while…THE TRUTH. They abhor it for some reason.
    (Yes Brookly I know why they reject the truth. The truth is not in them. ;) )


  68. Mars
    68 | January 13, 2013 3:24 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Take a look at all the outrage on the dem forums (most of which have been deleted) about how the taxes on their paychecks have jumped after the first of the year. It wasn’t supposed to happen to them. The most common thing I’ve seen is this comment “But, Obama said only the rich would pay!”
    Fools! Boy are they in store for a lot of surprises now aren’t they? This is only the beginning. I really am annoyed with these fools who believed all the damn lies.
    Both Dem underground and Kos have begun deleting threads and blocking users for posting about their taxes increasing. If you can’t talk about it, then it didn’t happen.

    Hunan fried rice.

    ????


  69. brookly red
    69 | January 13, 2013 3:24 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I will quote my grandparents back in Germany. “It couldn’t happen here” they were wrong, dead wrong
    .
    Oh indeed! When you refuse to look at the person you are voting for, when you refuse to do a little research, when you go on the sound bites alone, when you believe the lies and don’t question what you are being told you have no idea what you are voting into office.

    I am not a big gun nut but I can read the writing on the wall… my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.

    Not quite there yet, but getting closer every day. That’s why I oppose registration. It just hands your name and address and how many guns you own over to the feds.

    Then again, I heard a call on one of the AM talk shows the other day from a cop who said there was no way in hell he was going to assist in confiscation.

    I think there’s a good number out there that feel that way.

    not there yet? dude the government wants us defenseless… we are there.


  70. 70 | January 13, 2013 3:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.

    Molon Labe. Never, never, never surrender your ability to resist! Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership havbe done some critical research about disarmament and Genocide. It isn’t just Nazi Germany. People who think it can’t happen here aren’t paying attention. There’s a guy in California? who is in jail basically for blasphemy against the “prophet” Mohammed. The Left would make Islam the official religion in a heartbeat, all their protests against mixing religion and State notwithstanding. And they’d prosecute blasphemy with the enthusiasim of the Taliban.


  71. Lily
    71 | January 13, 2013 3:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I will quote my grandparents back in Germany. “It couldn’t happen here” they were wrong, dead wrong
    .
    Oh indeed! When you refuse to look at the person you are voting for, when you refuse to do a little research, when you go on the sound bites alone, when you believe the lies and don’t question what you are being told you have no idea what you are voting into office.
    I am not a big gun nut but I can read the writing on the wall… my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.

    A lot of people should see the writing on the wall! They refuse to see what is to see!


  72. heysoos
    72 | January 13, 2013 3:27 pm

    old Jamaican saying…
    speak the truth and speak it ever, cost it what it will


  73. Lily
    73 | January 13, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ Mars:

    Then again, I heard a call on one of the AM talk shows the other day from a cop who said there was no way in hell he was going to assist in confiscation.

    I think there’s a good number out there that feel that way.

    And you would be correct. The one element these leftist forget is Americans aren’t sheeple. They are curr dogs. There maybe a lot of leftists in charge but there still is a lot of curr’s here in the U.S. still.


  74. Mars
    74 | January 13, 2013 3:28 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I will quote my grandparents back in Germany. “It couldn’t happen here” they were wrong, dead wrong
    .
    Oh indeed! When you refuse to look at the person you are voting for, when you refuse to do a little research, when you go on the sound bites alone, when you believe the lies and don’t question what you are being told you have no idea what you are voting into office.
    I am not a big gun nut but I can read the writing on the wall… my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.
    Not quite there yet, but getting closer every day. That’s why I oppose registration. It just hands your name and address and how many guns you own over to the feds.
    Then again, I heard a call on one of the AM talk shows the other day from a cop who said there was no way in hell he was going to assist in confiscation.
    I think there’s a good number out there that feel that way.

    not there yet? dude the government wants us defenseless… we are there.

    They want us defenseless. We are not. Public opinion is not with them. They have no way of disarming us.

    Thus, we are not there yet. We are definitely in the stage where we need to watch and resist.


  75. RIX
    75 | January 13, 2013 3:29 pm

    Mars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Morgan may not be stupid, but he does think that everybody else is.
    At the very least though, he is incapable of critical thought.

    Oh trust me, he’s stupid. I’ve read up on his crap in Britain and he didn’t even do a halfway decent job of covering up. He is a prime example of arrogance combined with stupidity.

    He seems like it to me.


  76. brookly red
    76 | January 13, 2013 3:31 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.

    Molon Labe. Never, never, never surrender your ability to resist! Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership havbe done some critical research about disarmament and Genocide. It isn’t just Nazi Germany. People who think it can’t happen here aren’t paying attention. There’s a guy in California? who is in jail basically for blasphemy against the “prophet” Mohammed. The Left would make Islam the official religion in a heartbeat, all their protests against mixing religion and State notwithstanding. And they’d prosecute blasphemy with the enthusiasim of the Taliban.

    they want your Bible too… politics can delay this for a generation but sooner or later it shall be,


  77. RIX
    77 | January 13, 2013 3:31 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Well it sounds like it was in your face to be honest.
    We won, you lost! Get over it and deal with it!

    When I had my two spells of chest pain…..at least 3 people told me I was over reacting that obama was re-elected and that I just needed to get over it and deal with it. After my surgery ….they never said they were sorry…but just we didn’t know you were sick (so therefore I am not responsible for the horrible things I said to you). I honestly cannot tell you how many people have told me, “We didn’t know you were sick!” Well guess what I didn’t know either but didn’t treat all of you like you treated me.

    I hear that. The Obama people seem pretty damn mean.
    You just get better.


  78. Mars
    78 | January 13, 2013 3:32 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.
    Molon Labe. Never, never, never surrender your ability to resist! Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership havbe done some critical research about disarmament and Genocide. It isn’t just Nazi Germany. People who think it can’t happen here aren’t paying attention. There’s a guy in California? who is in jail basically for blasphemy against the “prophet” Mohammed. The Left would make Islam the official religion in a heartbeat, all their protests against mixing religion and State notwithstanding. And they’d prosecute blasphemy with the enthusiasim of the Taliban.

    they want your Bible too… politics can delay this for a generation but sooner or later it shall be,

    Very accurate. And there will be a large number of so called conservatives working with them in the name of political correctness.


  79. RIX
    79 | January 13, 2013 3:33 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Morgan may not be stupid, but he does think that everybody else is.
    At the very least though, he is incapable of critical thought.

    Really? incapable of critical thought? do you think him innocent? do you wish to forgive him because he knows not what he does? I would not be so forgiving. He knows damn well what he is doing and so do the people who pay him to do it. Rule 1 name the enemy.

    Um dude, I was not giving him a compliment.
    It was an insult to him. Carry on.


  80. Lily
    80 | January 13, 2013 3:33 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Yes they do want our Bible. But I’m seeing a lot of the younger generation more Christian and not falling for it. That will be the day at least where I live.


  81. brookly red
    81 | January 13, 2013 3:34 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Very accurate. And there will be a large number of so called conservatives working with them in the name of political correctness.

    we are there.


  82. brookly red
    82 | January 13, 2013 3:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Um dude, I was not giving him a compliment.
    It was an insult to him. Carry on.

    insult harder.


  83. Mars
    83 | January 13, 2013 3:35 pm

    http://conservativebyte.com/2013/01/obama-to-swear-in-on-marxs-das-kapital/

    Heh, O and Larry O’Donnel both got Alinsky’d. Ridicule your enemies and their suggestions.


  84. Mars
    84 | January 13, 2013 3:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Very accurate. And there will be a large number of so called conservatives working with them in the name of political correctness.
    we are there.

    Let’s also not forget conservatives who seem to believe any trace of someone having a personal moral code is apparently radical soconism.

    Not into religion or being preached to, but even I can recognize that someone having an opinion is way way freaking different than prohibiting things.


  85. Lily
    85 | January 13, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ RIX:

    Thanks Rix! That was one thing I made sure not to do is talk about politic’s around the election to people who I knew were going to vote for obama. I didn’t need the grief. So their elited remarks to me were simply to gloat that their guy won so I need to learn to live with it. Most the time I would say, “Where the hell did that come from? Did I say anything about the election? No!”.


  86. Calo
    86 | January 13, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ Mars:
    Hunan Fried Rice for dinner.

    The reason Brokly got banned from LGF.


  87. 87 | January 13, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ Mars:

    If I had answer, I would email it to you!

    :-)


  88. Mars
    88 | January 13, 2013 3:43 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Hunan Fried Rice for dinner.
    The reason Brokly got banned from LGF.

    Ok. That’s just really really strange.


  89. RIX
    89 | January 13, 2013 3:43 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Um dude, I was not giving him a compliment.
    It was an insult to him. Carry on.

    insult harder.

    LOL! I will make a better effort.


  90. Lily
    90 | January 13, 2013 3:44 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Very accurate. And there will be a large number of so called conservatives working with them in the name of political correctness.
    we are there.
    Let’s also not forget conservatives who seem to believe any trace of someone having a personal moral code is apparently radical soconism.
    Not into religion or being preached to, but even I can recognize that someone having an opinion is way way freaking different than prohibiting things.

    Yep….can’t comment on a moral code because you are going offend someone…so what? it’s anything goes then? There are things in society that need to be condemned!


  91. Calo
    91 | January 13, 2013 3:45 pm

    @ Mars:
    It was even stranger to watch in real time.


  92. brookly red
    92 | January 13, 2013 3:45 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Hunan Fried Rice for dinner.
    The reason Brokly got banned from LGF.

    Ok. That’s just really really strange.

    you were talking about lefty sites blocking/banning for mentioning tax increases… I just wanted to remind people it takes much less than that.


  93. brookly red
    93 | January 13, 2013 3:47 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    It was even stranger to watch in real time.

    I would prefer to be remembered for abusing ice weasel…


  94. Mars
    94 | January 13, 2013 3:47 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    It was even stranger to watch in real time.

    I imagine.


  95. Lily
    95 | January 13, 2013 3:47 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Hunan Fried Rice for dinner.
    The reason Brokly got banned from LGF.

    Was Brookly using some kind of code that cj only understood??? Good grief …the man is really nutz!


  96. Mars
    96 | January 13, 2013 3:49 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Calo wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Hunan Fried Rice for dinner.
    The reason Brokly got banned from LGF.
    Ok. That’s just really really strange.

    you were talking about lefty sites blocking/banning for mentioning tax increases… I just wanted to remind people it takes much less than that.

    Only amongst the deranged.


  97. Mars
    97 | January 13, 2013 3:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ Mars:
    It was even stranger to watch in real time.

    I would prefer to be remembered for abusing ice weasel…

    Yeah, but that’s kind of a fish/barrel situation.


  98. Calo
    98 | January 13, 2013 3:50 pm

    @ Lily:
    Raaaaacist woman.

    Next thing you know, you’ll be rooting for the Patriots this afternoon.


  99. RIX
    99 | January 13, 2013 3:50 pm

    @ Lily:
    There is no sense debating Obama supporters.
    They just get all pissy & go into denial.
    It always devolves into swapping insults.
    As an example, if you point out that Obama wrote that he sought the companionship
    of Marxists and that he was mentored by Grandad and Frank Marshall Davis &
    that therefore Obama might be a you know , a Marxist!!!!!!!The race card is played.


  100. brookly red
    100 | January 13, 2013 3:51 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Hunan Fried Rice for dinner.
    The reason Brokly got banned from LGF.

    Was Brookly using some kind of code that cj only understood??? Good grief …the man is really nutz!

    no but ethnic food is not PC… Italian Wedding Soup is now people’s union celebratory soup…


  101. Lily
    101 | January 13, 2013 3:51 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Calo wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Hunan Fried Rice for dinner.
    The reason Brokly got banned from LGF.
    Ok. That’s just really really strange.
    you were talking about lefty sites blocking/banning for mentioning tax increases… I just wanted to remind people it takes much less than that.

    Well most people understand that those lefty sites are what shall I say….just pure propaganda and odd to boot. ;)


  102. RIX
    102 | January 13, 2013 3:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    It was even stranger to watch in real time.

    I would prefer to be remembered for abusing ice weasel…

    It was impossible not to get into it with Weasel.
    A truly disgusting individual.


  103. Mars
    103 | January 13, 2013 3:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    There is no sense debating Obama supporters.
    They just get all pissy & go into denial.
    It always devolves into swapping insults.
    As an example, if you point out that Obama wrote that he sought the companionship
    of Marxists and that he was mentored by Grandad and Frank Marshall Davis &
    that therefore Obama might be a you know , a Marxist!!!!!!!The race card is played.

    Yep the race card has turned into a get out of everything free card. And odd that it gets used on a man that is far more white than black.


  104. Lily
    104 | January 13, 2013 3:54 pm

    @ brookly red:

    LOL!!! Really I honestly don’t understand WHY? you were banned for mentioning rice. I got the boot for doing nothing…reading a thread was my cardinal sin. It was the secret thread were where zombie got banned. I didn’t comment so that was a bannable offense.


  105. brookly red
    105 | January 13, 2013 3:54 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    It was even stranger to watch in real time.

    I would prefer to be remembered for abusing ice weasel…

    It was impossible not to get into it with Weasel.
    A truly disgusting individual.

    I always put a condom over my mouse…


  106. eaglesoars
    106 | January 13, 2013 3:57 pm

    Good afternoon everyone!

    Speaking ofPiss Morgan in his arrogant ignorance -- it was on full display in a tweet war w/Dana Loesch. He does not know the caliber of AR-15 ammo, he does not understand what an assault weapon is (and is not), he doesn’t know the ‘military style’ weapons have been banned for decades……..

    quite amusing

    h/t Instapundit


  107. Lily
    107 | January 13, 2013 3:57 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Raaaaacist woman.
    Next thing you know, you’ll be rooting for the Patriots this afternoon.

    The Patriots????????????? Dear heavens woman that would be like me rooting for the Falcons!!! Those darn dirty birds…. I really, really would like to Seattle putll off an upset.


  108. brookly red
    108 | January 13, 2013 3:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    LOL!!! Really I honestly don’t understand WHY? you were banned for mentioning rice. I got the boot for doing nothing…reading a thread was my cardinal sin. It was the secret thread were where zombie got banned. I didn’t comment so that was a bannable offense.

    lefties are dangerous we joke about it but this is no joke these assholes will be deciding who gets health care…


  109. brookly red
    109 | January 13, 2013 3:58 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    he does not understand what an assault weapon is

    well neither do I


  110. Calo
    110 | January 13, 2013 4:00 pm

    @ Lily:
    It’s a good game getting interesting right about now.


  111. Tanker
    111 | January 13, 2013 4:00 pm

    Question that came up yesterday at our gun shop which no one seemed to know the answer. Is home insurance documents public records?

    Many people that don’t have registered guns have them listed on their insurance documents.

    It seems many believed that the info could be obtained through a FOIA request!


  112. Lily
    112 | January 13, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ RIX:

    You are so right. Trying to debate obama voters especially right now would only send me back to the hospital. They are truly some strange birds who never, ever think they are wrong. It’s weird. They defend obama more than their belief in God.


  113. brookly red
    113 | January 13, 2013 4:02 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Question that came up yesterday at our gun shop which no one seemed to know the answer. Is home insurance documents public records?

    Many people that don’t have registered guns have them listed on their insurance documents.

    It seems many believed that the info could be obtained through a FOIA request!

    sure if you insure the weapon… or liability for it.


  114. Mars
    114 | January 13, 2013 4:02 pm

    Assault weapon is a bullshit nonsense term. There truly is not such thing. When pressed on Hannity one moron said he wanted all guns that could go through a hundred rounds in under a minute banned. Somehow he is completely unaware that is already the case.

    Listen to what the gun grabbers are saying on tv, radio, and internet. They are talking about semi-auto weapons, but they are using the stats and info on full auto weapons. They have twisted the debate into something completely non-recognizable. When you confront them and explain they are talking about full auto weapons which are already illegal to the general public they get flustered and refuse to answer any further questions.


  115. Lily
    115 | January 13, 2013 4:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    LOL!!! Really I honestly don’t understand WHY? you were banned for mentioning rice. I got the boot for doing nothing…reading a thread was my cardinal sin. It was the secret thread were where zombie got banned. I didn’t comment so that was a bannable offense.
    lefties are dangerous we joke about it but this is no joke these assholes will be deciding who gets health care…

    No kidding and that is scary! Really scary!


  116. 116 | January 13, 2013 4:03 pm

    @ Tanker:

    No. That’s a private contract.


  117. Lily
    117 | January 13, 2013 4:04 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s a good game getting interesting right about now.

    The Seahawks are fixing to win!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yeah!!!!


  118. brookly red
    118 | January 13, 2013 4:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    You are so right. Trying to debate obama voters especially right now would only send me back to the hospital. They are truly some strange birds who never, ever think they are wrong. It’s weird. They defend obama more than their belief in God.

    and there you have it, they don’t believe in God… what can I say that has not been written.


  119. eaglesoars
    119 | January 13, 2013 4:05 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Question that came up yesterday at our gun shop which no one seemed to know the answer. Is home insurance documents public records?

    Many people that don’t have registered guns have them listed on their insurance documents.

    It seems many believed that the info could be obtained through a FOIA request!

    FOIA relates only to gov’t agencies and institutions. They cannot be used for private companies.


  120. 120 | January 13, 2013 4:06 pm

    @ Mars:

    Full auto weapons are NOT illegal, or at least not in most states. They are not illegal under federal law.


  121. heysoos
    121 | January 13, 2013 4:06 pm

    wow…Seattle had to go 21-0 in the fourth quarter to win, and they have…almost


  122. Lily
    122 | January 13, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ Tanker:

    I really don’t know. I don’t think so.


  123. Mars
    123 | January 13, 2013 4:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    You are so right. Trying to debate obama voters especially right now would only send me back to the hospital. They are truly some strange birds who never, ever think they are wrong. It’s weird. They defend obama more than their belief in God.

    and there you have it, they don’t believe in God… what can I say that has not been written.

    That would require the belief there is anything more powerful or important than themselves.


  124. Mars
    124 | January 13, 2013 4:08 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Full auto weapons are NOT illegal, or at least not in most states. They are not illegal under federal law.

    Not available to anyone not possessing the proper license. Same thing as illegal to the general public.


  125. Lily
    125 | January 13, 2013 4:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    You are so right. Trying to debate obama voters especially right now would only send me back to the hospital. They are truly some strange birds who never, ever think they are wrong. It’s weird. They defend obama more than their belief in God.
    and there you have it, they don’t believe in God… what can I say that has not been written.

    The ones I know say they believe in God…but defend obama more. It’s weird.


  126. heysoos
    126 | January 13, 2013 4:09 pm

    what a finish in Atlanta


  127. RIX
    127 | January 13, 2013 4:09 pm

    @ Mars:
    You’re right Obama has more Whiteness than Black.
    White is now a pejorative, so Obama must be Black.


  128. Calo
    128 | January 13, 2013 4:09 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    wow…Seattle had to go 21-0 in the fourth quarter to win, and they have…almost

    Heh!

    Time out


  129. eaglesoars
    129 | January 13, 2013 4:10 pm

    And I call bullshit.

    Legal experts say the most significant changes being considered by Biden’s task force – including an assault weapons ban, a prohibition on high-capacity ammunition magazines and universal background checks for gun sales – would all require congressional action.

    “His options are limited,” Adam Winkler, constitutional scholar at the UCLA School of Law, said by phone Friday. “He can seek to better enforce existing federal law, but he can’t act contrary to existing federal law.”

    Obama faces ‘limited’ options on executive action on gun violence

    He already did JUST that when he bailed out the auto companies. He violated Federal bankruptcy law when he put the equity stakeholders last in line for recovery. And he did it with an executive order.


  130. Lily
    130 | January 13, 2013 4:11 pm

    Seahawks coach tried to ice the kicker…it never works. First they miss it and on the second try they make it. Darn it. Oh so close!


  131. RIX
    131 | January 13, 2013 4:11 pm

    Falcons kick the go ahead field goal! Two seconds left.


  132. Tanker
    132 | January 13, 2013 4:11 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    No. That’s a private contract.

    See, I got two answers that are different here! It is a issue I will research for my state.

    Could be a way for the Gov to find out what people have even if they aren’t registered, which isn’t required in my state!

    By the way, I argued the private contract side, but a insurance guy said it was possible through a FOIA request!


  133. brookly red
    133 | January 13, 2013 4:11 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    You are so right. Trying to debate obama voters especially right now would only send me back to the hospital. They are truly some strange birds who never, ever think they are wrong. It’s weird. They defend obama more than their belief in God.

    and there you have it, they don’t believe in God… what can I say that has not been written.

    That would require the belief there is anything more powerful or important than themselves.

    and there you have it… the rub is they only acknowledge government as something that can justify their behavior, as Lord knows God won’t. :)


  134. Mars
    134 | January 13, 2013 4:12 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Full auto weapons are NOT illegal, or at least not in most states. They are not illegal under federal law.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

    Ok, not illegal, but so bound up in red tape as to make it effectively so.


  135. 135 | January 13, 2013 4:12 pm

    @ Mars:

    No, not the same. I can buy one. All I have to do is fill out the paperwork and pay the $ 200 permit tax. And cough up a huge amount of money for the weapon itself. I think you’re conflating buying a registered, pre-85 Class III weapon with a Class III FFL buying a post-85 weapon. Not the same thing.


  136. heysoos
    136 | January 13, 2013 4:12 pm

    well that was one hell a game…Seattle must be really disappointed, like near death


  137. Lily
    137 | January 13, 2013 4:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    what a finish in Atlanta

    Not finished yet….short kick.


  138. brookly red
    138 | January 13, 2013 4:13 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    No. That’s a private contract.

    See, I got two answers that are different here! It is a issue I will research for my state.

    Could be a way for the Gov to find out what people have even if they aren’t registered, which isn’t required in my state!

    By the way, I argued the private contract side, but a insurance guy said it was possible through a FOIA request!

    OK like the gun owners in NY yes it was illegal to access the data base. Big deal they did it anyway. So no they can’t but yes they will.


  139. Mars
    139 | January 13, 2013 4:14 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And I call bullshit.
    Legal experts say the most significant changes being considered by Biden’s task force – including an assault weapons ban, a prohibition on high-capacity ammunition magazines and universal background checks for gun sales – would all require congressional action.
    “His options are limited,” Adam Winkler, constitutional scholar at the UCLA School of Law, said by phone Friday. “He can seek to better enforce existing federal law, but he can’t act contrary to existing federal law.”
    Obama faces ‘limited’ options on executive action on gun violence
    He already did JUST that when he bailed out the auto companies. He violated Federal bankruptcy law when he put the equity stakeholders last in line for recovery. And he did it with an executive order.

    He’s well aware that it takes a lot of effort to overturn an executive order. In the house and senate we would have to have the numbers. In the supreme court the average time to overturn an EO is something like 5-10 years the way I read it.

    He’s willing to violate the law in his EO’s because he knows he will be long out of office before anyone can do anything about it.


  140. RIX
    140 | January 13, 2013 4:14 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    You are so right. Trying to debate obama voters especially right now would only send me back to the hospital. They are truly some strange birds who never, ever think they are wrong. It’s weird. They defend obama more than their belief in God.

    They kind of think that that mope is God.


  141. Calo
    141 | January 13, 2013 4:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    well that was one hell a game…Seattle must be really disappointed, like near death

    That was a fun game to watch.

    I didn’t have a dog in the hunt, so to speak, but I do enjoy some good football.


  142. 142 | January 13, 2013 4:16 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Full auto weapons are NOT illegal, or at least not in most states. They are not illegal under federal law.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
    Ok, not illegal, but so bound up in red tape as to make it effectively so.

    No again. The “red tape” is actually fairly easy to go through if you live in a state that doesn’t itself ban them. What makes the purchase unrealistic for most is not the red tape, but rather the 1985 amendment to the NFA that banned any new registrations of weapons, thereby capping the supply and causing prices to go completely through the roof. In 1984, at a gun show in OKC, my local Class III dealer was selling MAC-10s, with suppressor, NiB for $ 400. That will run you roughly $ 9000 now, used, if you can find one.


  143. Mars
    143 | January 13, 2013 4:16 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mars:
    No, not the same. I can buy one. All I have to do is fill out the paperwork and pay the $ 200 permit tax. And cough up a huge amount of money for the weapon itself. I think you’re conflating buying a registered, pre-85 Class III weapon with a Class III FFL buying a post-85 weapon. Not the same thing.

    Makes sense.

    Still my point is that they are already heavily regulated, but the libs are using the description of full auto firearms to describe semi-auto firearms.

    They need confronted with this everytime they put forth their absurd stats on firing rates. It is feasibly possible for someone really really fast to hit some of their numbers, but the average person is not an exhibition shooter.


  144. heysoos
    144 | January 13, 2013 4:17 pm

    @ Calo:
    Wilson played exceptionally well…
    24/36 for 385
    3 td’s
    1 int


  145. eaglesoars
    145 | January 13, 2013 4:18 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    OK like the gun owners in NY yes it was illegal to access the data base. Big deal they did it anyway. So no they can’t but yes they will.

    Are you talking about that newspaper that put up that interactive google map?


  146. brookly red
    146 | January 13, 2013 4:18 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Makes sense.

    Still my point is that they are already heavily regulated, but the libs are using the description of full auto firearms to describe semi-auto firearms.

    They need confronted with this everytime they put forth their absurd stats on firing rates. It is feasibly possible for someone really really fast to hit some of their numbers, but the average person is not an exhibition shooter.

    why even waste time on semantics? they want you unarmed, period.


  147. brookly red
    147 | January 13, 2013 4:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    OK like the gun owners in NY yes it was illegal to access the data base. Big deal they did it anyway. So no they can’t but yes they will.

    Are you talking about that newspaper that put up that interactive google map?

    among other things but yes.


  148. Mars
    148 | January 13, 2013 4:19 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Full auto weapons are NOT illegal, or at least not in most states. They are not illegal under federal law.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
    Ok, not illegal, but so bound up in red tape as to make it effectively so.
    No again. The “red tape” is actually fairly easy to go through if you live in a state that doesn’t itself ban them. What makes the purchase unrealistic for most is not the red tape, but rather the 1985 amendment to the NFA that banned any new registrations of weapons, thereby capping the supply and causing prices to go completely through the roof. In 1984, at a gun show in OKC, my local Class III dealer was selling MAC-10s, with suppressor, NiB for $ 400. That will run you roughly $ 9000 now, used, if you can find one.

    I give. I’ve just been apparently suckered by the same bullshit as everyone else.

    Won’t help with full auto weaponry, but my state has come out ahead on some of this.

    Montana House Bill 246, the Montana Firearms Freedom Act, was signed into law by Governor Brian Schweitzer on April 15, 2009, and became effective October 1, 2009. This legislation declares that certain firearms and firearms accessories manufactured, sold, and kept within the state of Montana are exempt from federal firearms laws, since they cannot be regulated as interstate commerce.[28][29] However, this law does not apply to a firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person, a firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 ½ inches and uses smokeless powder, ammunition that uses exploding projectiles or fully automatic firearms. While it is likely to face a court challenge (and is widely believed[according to whom?] to have been specifically intended to provoke one), this Montana law would put firearms accessories such as suppressors actually made in Montana, marked “Made in Montana”, and sold only to Montana citizens outside federal jurisdiction and not subject to the $200 federal transfer tax.

    Similar laws have since been enacted by Tennessee, Wyoming, South Dakota, Utah, Arizona, Idaho and Alaska.[30]


  149. Lily
    149 | January 13, 2013 4:21 pm

    Calo wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    well that was one hell a game…Seattle must be really disappointed, like near death
    That was a fun game to watch.
    I didn’t have a dog in the hunt, so to speak, but I do enjoy some good football.

    Seattle’s rookie QB is something to watch. Russell Wilson is really good. I was rooting for Seattle!!!!


  150. Mars
    150 | January 13, 2013 4:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Makes sense.
    Still my point is that they are already heavily regulated, but the libs are using the description of full auto firearms to describe semi-auto firearms.
    They need confronted with this everytime they put forth their absurd stats on firing rates. It is feasibly possible for someone really really fast to hit some of their numbers, but the average person is not an exhibition shooter.
    why even waste time on semantics? they want you unarmed, period.

    It’s not a waste of time. The average person hears these stats and believes them. Being confronted with the actual information makes them think. Since the baseline thought in this country is pro-gun, you are far more likely to keep people from buying the bullshit the grabbers are selling, but stating the actual facts.

    The feds are not winning this fight. They will win if their propaganda is not confronted with the facts.


  151. eaglesoars
    151 | January 13, 2013 4:24 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    OK like the gun owners in NY yes it was illegal to access the data base. Big deal they did it anyway. So no they can’t but yes they will.

    Are you talking about that newspaper that put up that interactive google map?

    among other things but yes.

    The news paper did not illegally access a database. They simply asked the counties for the information. As that info is classified as ‘public record’ no FOIA was needed.


  152. Mars
    152 | January 13, 2013 4:26 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    OK like the gun owners in NY yes it was illegal to access the data base. Big deal they did it anyway. So no they can’t but yes they will.
    Are you talking about that newspaper that put up that interactive google map?
    among other things but yes.

    The news paper did not illegally access a database. They simply asked the counties for the information. As that info is classified as ‘public record’ no FOIA was needed.

    From what I recall though, that information was not supposed to be public record. I seem to remember reading that firearm registration information is supposed to be restricted from public release.


  153. Lily
    153 | January 13, 2013 4:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Calo:
    Wilson played exceptionally well…
    24/36 for 385
    3 td’s
    1 int

    Russell Wilson is a good rookie QB!!! He is going to be something.


  154. 154 | January 13, 2013 4:27 pm

    @ Mars:

    My local range/Class III dealer has told me they could set me up with an M2 (belt-fed heavy machine gun in .50 BMG) for as little as $ 18,000. Uh, no. I don’t even want a suppressor for a .22 pistol, because then I would be on an official federal list of gun nuts to raid first. And while I’m not certain about AOW weapons (short-barreled rifles and shotguns and suppressors), I do know that transporting a Class III weapon across a state line requires written notification to the BATFE.


  155. Mars
    155 | January 13, 2013 4:28 pm

    Mars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    eaglesoars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    OK like the gun owners in NY yes it was illegal to access the data base. Big deal they did it anyway. So no they can’t but yes they will.
    Are you talking about that newspaper that put up that interactive google map?
    among other things but yes.
    The news paper did not illegally access a database. They simply asked the counties for the information. As that info is classified as ‘public record’ no FOIA was needed.

    From what I recall though, that information was not supposed to be public record. I seem to remember reading that firearm registration information is supposed to be restricted from public release.

    Never mind. I just looked it up and it was found out that it was considered public information releasable with a FOIL request. Apparently on NY county is about to get in trouble because they are refusing to release the info to the press.


  156. Da_Beerfreak
    156 | January 13, 2013 4:30 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    he does not understand what an assault weapon is

    well neither do I

    A rock becomes an assault weapon when a U.S. Marine picks it up.

    Anything can become an assault weapon if you attack someone with it.


  157. eaglesoars
    157 | January 13, 2013 4:30 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I seem to remember reading that firearm registration information is supposed to be restricted from public release.

    Not in New York. Keep in mind that the ‘public information’ status covered only names and addresses of permit holders. Actual owned firearms is not covered (if it’s even kept). Also remember, when the newspaper tried it with another county, the county clerk had to hold a press conference explaining that yes, it is a matter of public record, yes the newspaper has a legal right to the information and NOT i’M NOT GIVING IT TO THE BASTARDS.


  158. Mars
    158 | January 13, 2013 4:30 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mars:
    My local range/Class III dealer has told me they could set me up with an M2 (belt-fed heavy machine gun in .50 BMG) for as little as $ 18,000. Uh, no. I don’t even want a suppressor for a .22 pistol, because then I would be on an official federal list of gun nuts to raid first. And while I’m not certain about AOW weapons (short-barreled rifles and shotguns and suppressors), I do know that transporting a Class III weapon across a state line requires written notification to the BATFE.

    Under the rule here in MT they are not even allowed to report to the feds purchase of any accessories for your firearms that would theoretically include suppressors.


  159. brookly red
    159 | January 13, 2013 4:30 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Makes sense.
    Still my point is that they are already heavily regulated, but the libs are using the description of full auto firearms to describe semi-auto firearms.
    They need confronted with this everytime they put forth their absurd stats on firing rates. It is feasibly possible for someone really really fast to hit some of their numbers, but the average person is not an exhibition shooter.
    why even waste time on semantics? they want you unarmed, period.

    It’s not a waste of time. The average person hears these stats and believes them. Being confronted with the actual information makes them think. Since the baseline thought in this country is pro-gun, you are far more likely to keep people from buying the bullshit the grabbers are selling, but stating the actual facts.

    The feds are not winning this fight. They will win if their propaganda is not confronted with the facts.

    wtf are you talking about, the average person? how do we claim a majority if “the average person” is watching Honey Boo-boo? I am a city boy and I know the difference between a .380 and a .308… there are no average people, that is like saying undecided voter.


  160. Mars
    160 | January 13, 2013 4:31 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I seem to remember reading that firearm registration information is supposed to be restricted from public release.
    Not in New York. Keep in mind that the ‘public information’ status covered only names and addresses of permit holders. Actual owned firearms is not covered (if it’s even kept). Also remember, when the newspaper tried it with another county, the county clerk had to hold a press conference explaining that yes, it is a matter of public record, yes the newspaper has a legal right to the information and NOT i’M NOT GIVING IT TO THE BASTARDS.

    Yeah, apparently that Putnam country clerk is going to face charges.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/01/newspaper-that-printed-gun-owner-names-hires-armed-guards/

    That newspaper is a bunch of hypocrites anyway.


  161. Mars
    161 | January 13, 2013 4:35 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Makes sense.
    Still my point is that they are already heavily regulated, but the libs are using the description of full auto firearms to describe semi-auto firearms.
    They need confronted with this everytime they put forth their absurd stats on firing rates. It is feasibly possible for someone really really fast to hit some of their numbers, but the average person is not an exhibition shooter.
    why even waste time on semantics? they want you unarmed, period.
    It’s not a waste of time. The average person hears these stats and believes them. Being confronted with the actual information makes them think. Since the baseline thought in this country is pro-gun, you are far more likely to keep people from buying the bullshit the grabbers are selling, but stating the actual facts.
    The feds are not winning this fight. They will win if their propaganda is not confronted with the facts.

    wtf are you talking about, the average person? how do we claim a majority if “the average person” is watching Honey Boo-boo? I am a city boy and I know the difference between a .380 and a .308… there are no average people, that is like saying undecided voter.

    Most of the time only people who own firearms or have spent time around them understand anything about them.

    There is a large class of people out there who don’t have a freaking clue. A lot of them still support the constitutional right to have them though. Read the polls, most of the time they are bullshit, but for some reason they are pretty dead on this time. The large majority of this country supports firearms ownership. But, a large percentage of that can be mislead by the bullshit spewed by the “common sense rules” group.

    Hell, I know quite a bit about guns and even I was fooled into thinking full autos were illegal.

    Information is never a waste of time.


  162. eaglesoars
    162 | January 13, 2013 4:35 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Yeah, apparently that Putnam country clerk is going to face charges.

    ???

    I haven’t heard that and the article/newsreport you linked to says nothing about it that I can see.


  163. 163 | January 13, 2013 4:39 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    They are highly (I’d say UNconstitutionally) regulated, though. Full auto weapons are toys for rich people. That doesn’t stop the gangbangers from getting them, though.


  164. RIX
    164 | January 13, 2013 4:39 pm

    @ Mars:
    Unfortunately , public opinion favoring gun rights does not impress
    Obama and his people.
    ObamaCare was not & is not popular, but he did it anyway.
    He is playing for a legacy of immortality.
    IMO he is one disturbed guy.


  165. Mars
    165 | January 13, 2013 4:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Yeah, apparently that Putnam country clerk is going to face charges.
    ???
    I haven’t heard that and the article/newsreport you linked to says nothing about it that I can see.

    The article I linked was in reference to the hypocrisy of the newspaper.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/03/ny-county-clerk-not-backing-down-releasing-gun-owner-information-puts-my-public-in-danger/

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/01/putnam-county-refuses-to-give-journal-news-more-gun-owner-info-would-create-unprecedented-public-safety-issue/

    Oops I said charges, should have said lawsuits.


  166. eaglesoars
    166 | January 13, 2013 4:41 pm

    @ Mars:

    got it, thanks


  167. Mars
    167 | January 13, 2013 4:41 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Unfortunately , public opinion favoring gun rights does not impress
    Obama and his people.
    ObamaCare was not & is not popular, but he did it anyway.
    He is playing for a legacy of immortality.
    IMO he is one disturbed guy.

    Never said it did. Also explained how he can get away with EO’s on gun control.

    Just saying if we want to keep public opinion on our side we have to keep hammering the facts and keep them in peoples heads. The time will come were the libs will start pushing some of their bullshit “common sense” gun legislation and public opinion will start to drift their way.


  168. 168 | January 13, 2013 4:42 pm

    @ Mars:

    Here in Tennessee it is the same way, but I wouldn’t take the risk of having an unregistered suppressor even though it is legal under State law. I might win in a fight to the Supreme Court, but I might lose too. It’d be a decade of my life lost in a battle that, while important, is not critical. It just isn’t worth the risk.


  169. Mars
    169 | January 13, 2013 4:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Here in Tennessee it is the same way, but I wouldn’t take the risk of having an unregistered suppressor even though it is legal under State law. I might win in a fight to the Supreme Court, but I might lose too. It’d be a decade of my life lost in a battle that, while important, is not critical. It just isn’t worth the risk.

    Agreed. I will support the person willing to do that though.


  170. Da_Beerfreak
    170 | January 13, 2013 4:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Unfortunately , public opinion favoring gun rights does not impress
    Obama and his people.
    ObamaCare was not & is not popular, but he did it anyway.
    He is playing for a legacy of immortality.
    IMO he is one disturbed guy.

    I see his legacy as likely being on par with King George III’s legacy. If he’s lucky. :mrgreen:


  171. 171 | January 13, 2013 4:50 pm

    @ Mars:

    I would too. It’s a big risk, though. My dad knows a guy that got five years Federal time for a suppressed .22. Basically a toy. Way not worth the risk. That is, of course, one way that they get away with these unconstitutional laws. No one is willing to be a test case. In my opinion, the sentances for such “crimes” is unconstitutionally harsh. It is ment to chill political “speech” resisting said laws. If the punishment for violating segregation laws had been five years Federal time, there’d not have been the sit-ins that were critical to the Civil Rights movement. Gun rights Are civil rights, so these laws are the last vestages of anti-civil rights legislation.


  172. Mars
    172 | January 13, 2013 4:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I would too. It’s a big risk, though. My dad knows a guy that got five years Federal time for a suppressed .22. Basically a toy. Way not worth the risk. That is, of course, one way that they get away with these unconstitutional laws. No one is willing to be a test case. In my opinion, the sentances for such “crimes” is unconstitutionally harsh. It is ment to chill political “speech” resisting said laws. If the punishment for violating segregation laws had been five years Federal time, there’d not have been the sit-ins that were critical to the Civil Rights movement. Gun rights Are civil rights, so these laws are the last vestages of anti-civil rights legislation.

    Oh Wyoming has gone one step further this year. They are now going to vote on a law that makes it illegal for the feds to enforce federal firearms rules made after this month within the borders of the state.

    If it wasn’t for my kids I would find a way to move my ass right back to Wyoming. I miss common sense politicians and a state where even the dems are generally sane.


  173. RIX
    173 | January 13, 2013 4:57 pm

    @ Mars
    I hear ya.


  174. RIX
    174 | January 13, 2013 4:59 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Unfortunately , public opinion favoring gun rights does not impress
    Obama and his people.
    ObamaCare was not & is not popular, but he did it anyway.
    He is playing for a legacy of immortality.
    IMO he is one disturbed guy.

    I see his legacy as likely being on par with King George III’s legacy. If he’s lucky.

    I guess it depends on who is writing the history.
    If it is Obamas Brave New World, he will be a hero.
    If sanity prevails, he won’t do well.


  175. Calo
    175 | January 13, 2013 4:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    In case you missed this yesterday.

    NRA convention/Blogmoc meetup in May


  176. 176 | January 13, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ Calo:

    I know. I can’t make it. I’d love to, but it just isn’t in the budget this year.


  177. Mars
    177 | January 13, 2013 5:05 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    In case you missed this yesterday.
    NRA convention/Blogmoc meetup in May

    Can’t make it to TX. Just not feasible on my pittance.


  178. buzzsawmonkey
    178 | January 13, 2013 5:05 pm

    They want a national database of firearms, but a database of legally-registered voters is out of the question.

    They want to find and confiscate 150 million guns, but cannot find and deport 20 million illegal aliens.


  179. Lily
    179 | January 13, 2013 5:07 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Unfortunately , public opinion favoring gun rights does not impress
    Obama and his people.
    ObamaCare was not & is not popular, but he did it anyway.
    He is playing for a legacy of immortality.
    IMO he is one disturbed guy.

    Oh boy indeed he is! The mystery is that a lot of people can’t see it!


  180. buzzsawmonkey
    180 | January 13, 2013 5:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Gun rights Are civil rights

    In my opinion, not only should this constantly be stressed in conversation, but all gun-rights advocates should be repeating this in every single public statement.


  181. 181 | January 13, 2013 5:10 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Well he already is Mad King Обама!


  182. brookly red
    182 | January 13, 2013 5:11 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mars:

    I would too. It’s a big risk, though. My dad knows a guy that got five years Federal time for a suppressed .22. Basically a toy. Way not worth the risk. That is, of course, one way that they get away with these unconstitutional laws. No one is willing to be a test case. In my opinion, the sentances for such “crimes” is unconstitutionally harsh. It is ment to chill political “speech” resisting said laws. If the punishment for violating segregation laws had been five years Federal time, there’d not have been the sit-ins that were critical to the Civil Rights movement. Gun rights Are civil rights, so these laws are the last vestages of anti-civil rights legislation.

    I agree with you 99% but a .22 is not a toy and a suppressor? I got no problem with AR’s AK’s all manor of black rifles, but a suppressed .22? sounds like something a criminal would use.


  183. Mars
    183 | January 13, 2013 5:11 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    They want a national database of firearms, but a database of legally-registered voters is out of the question.
    They want to find and confiscate 150 million guns, but cannot find and deport 20 million illegal aliens.

    Yeah, their math is bizarre.


  184. 184 | January 13, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It is actually closer to 300 million guns, but you are essentially correct. They’ll kill people over the gun control, though. More people were killed at Waco, Texas than in any of these high-profile mass shootings, but no one was ever even mildly punished for that.


  185. Lily
    185 | January 13, 2013 5:12 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    In case you missed this yesterday.
    NRA convention/Blogmoc meetup in May

    I’ll probably be there. I should be a lot better by then. I’ll be hitting my 6 month mark by then…and plus hubby said he’d come too. Now there was a big surprise.


  186. Mars
    186 | January 13, 2013 5:14 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Gun rights Are civil rights
    In my opinion, not only should this constantly be stressed in conversation, but all gun-rights advocates should be repeating this in every single public statement.

    Yes. The NRA also needs to get out and stress their history of civil rights and opposition to the KKK and other hate groups.


  187. Lily
    187 | January 13, 2013 5:17 pm

    Mars wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    Gun rights Are civil rights
    In my opinion, not only should this constantly be stressed in conversation, but all gun-rights advocates should be repeating this in every single public statement.
    Yes. The NRA also needs to get out and stress their history of civil rights and opposition to the KKK and other hate groups.

    True. But the people who need to hear this, would they even believe it or research it?? I know when I cite a fact about something they are against…they simple dismiss it out of hand and never give it a second thought. That’s the problem we are dealing with right now. Just like those liberal sites deleting anything and everything about obama’s tax hikes. To hell with the facts or the truth!


  188. RIX
    188 | January 13, 2013 5:18 pm

    @ Lily:
    Obamas younger acolytes can’t believe that their paychecks are lighter.
    But the still love him.


  189. Lily
    189 | January 13, 2013 5:19 pm

    @ Mars:

    I guess it’s just you and me left! Where did everyone go? Must be the football game! ;)


  190. Mars
    190 | January 13, 2013 5:19 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    Gun rights Are civil rights
    In my opinion, not only should this constantly be stressed in conversation, but all gun-rights advocates should be repeating this in every single public statement.
    Yes. The NRA also needs to get out and stress their history of civil rights and opposition to the KKK and other hate groups.
    True. But the people who need to hear this, would they even believe it or research it?? I know when I cite a fact about something they are against…they simple dismiss it out of hand and never give it a second thought. That’s the problem we are dealing with right now. Just like those liberal sites deleting anything and everything about obama’s tax hikes. To hell with the facts or the truth!

    I know it’s a challenge when people won’t listen to facts.

    The nice part is that that’s usually the true believers. Other people are a little more “knee jerk” and can be swayed.

    Don’t forget some of our best conservatives were liberal converts.


  191. buzzsawmonkey
    191 | January 13, 2013 5:21 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Yes. The NRA also needs to get out and stress their history of civil rights and opposition to the KKK and other hate groups.

    That’s good, and I agree—but what IF was pointing out, and what all too often gets lost in the conversation, is that the very fact of gun ownership is a civil right just as much as the right to vote, to freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right against self-incrimination, etc.

    They are all rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights; they are all rights held by the individual against the government for the purpose of guarding against government encroachment upon the individual.

    There should be a Civil Rights Movement march for the Second Amendment that covers the Mall as much as, or more than, the famous Civil Rights Movement march at which King gave his “Dream” speech.


  192. Lily
    192 | January 13, 2013 5:22 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Obamas younger acolytes can’t believe that their paychecks are lighter.
    But the still love him.

    *Shaking head*….You know Rix I have never, ever seen the worship of man like obama before. Sure there was presidents that the media has given lee-way to…but I have never seen how the media, how a lot of people act towards obama!!! The man can do no wrong..and when he does a lot of wrong people and the media go into denial. Any other president would have never, ever got the media pass obama has gotten!!


  193. Mars
    193 | January 13, 2013 5:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Obamas younger acolytes can’t believe that their paychecks are lighter.
    But the still love him.

    Yeah, they are outraged, but somehow it still isn’t his fault. I actually heard one bonehead locally blame the Republicans for not agreeing to the Wons deal.


  194. buzzsawmonkey
    194 | January 13, 2013 5:23 pm

    @ Mars:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    In short, the history of gun rights advocacy being opposed to the KKK, while noble, is utterly irrelevant. The ability to own firearms would be a civil right even if that were not true.


  195. buzzsawmonkey
    195 | January 13, 2013 5:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obamas younger acolytes can’t believe that their paychecks are lighter.

    President Light in the Loafers lightens the loafers…


  196. Mars
    196 | January 13, 2013 5:24 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Yes. The NRA also needs to get out and stress their history of civil rights and opposition to the KKK and other hate groups.
    That’s good, and I agree—but what IF was pointing out, and what all too often gets lost in the conversation, is that the very fact of gun ownership is a civil right just as much as the right to vote, to freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right against self-incrimination, etc.
    They are all rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights; they are all rights held by the individual against the government for the purpose of guarding against government encroachment upon the individual.
    There should be a Civil Rights Movement march for the Second Amendment that covers the Mall as much as, or more than, the famous Civil Rights Movement march at which King gave his “Dream” speech.

    There’s a reason it’s the second amendment. It was required to protect the first.


  197. Lily
    197 | January 13, 2013 5:24 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    Gun rights Are civil rights
    In my opinion, not only should this constantly be stressed in conversation, but all gun-rights advocates should be repeating this in every single public statement.
    Yes. The NRA also needs to get out and stress their history of civil rights and opposition to the KKK and other hate groups.
    True. But the people who need to hear this, would they even believe it or research it?? I know when I cite a fact about something they are against…they simple dismiss it out of hand and never give it a second thought. That’s the problem we are dealing with right now. Just like those liberal sites deleting anything and everything about obama’s tax hikes. To hell with the facts or the truth!
    I know it’s a challenge when people won’t listen to facts.
    The nice part is that that’s usually the true believers. Other people are a little more “knee jerk” and can be swayed.
    Don’t forget some of our best conservatives were liberal converts.

    True…but something terrible is going to have to happen to shift this from what I see!!


  198. eaglesoars
    198 | January 13, 2013 5:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    You know Rix I have never, ever seen the worship of man like obama before

    Um, Lily? there is precedent -- FDR


  199. Calo
    199 | January 13, 2013 5:27 pm

    @ Mars:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Darn, it would have been nice to meet you both.

    IF, I stalked my way to this site when you were banned from LGF.

    And Mars, I enjoy reading your thoughts on the current meme of the day.

    I do understand the budgetary constraints you are both under.

    So, maybe next meet up…


  200. Mars
    200 | January 13, 2013 5:28 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Mars:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    In short, the history of gun rights advocacy being opposed to the KKK, while noble, is utterly irrelevant. The ability to own firearms would be a civil right even if that were not true.

    Yes. I was just trying to say that it would be nice if the low info had a freaking clue.

    Like I said. It was made the second amendment for a reason, it was that important.


  201. Mars
    201 | January 13, 2013 5:30 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    You know Rix I have never, ever seen the worship of man like obama before
    Um, Lily? there is precedent — FDR

    There are still alot of conservatives out there that go ballistic if you say anything against FDR. Many of that generation were buffaloed and can’t accept it.

    Wilson had a problem with totalitarian tendencies too, it’s probably a good thing he wasn’t as worshiped as FDR would be.


  202. 202 | January 13, 2013 5:33 pm

    I have just never gotten the fascination with suppressors. The only quasi-valid argument I’ve heard is that you can fire suppressed weapon without ear protection, which is technically true, but not practically. On an average day at the range I use, people are firing all sorts of things, so you better have those muffs on, even if your weapon has a suppressor. Pay extra, unbalance the weapon, raise the sight plane, lower the muzzle velocity and energy, AND sign yourself up with the feds. I just don’t see the attraction myself.


  203. RIX
    203 | January 13, 2013 5:34 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    The Libs are now getting away from their interpretation of a “Well Regulated Militia”
    as just a reference to a group to fight King George.
    George Mason, the coauthor of the 2nd Amendment said that the Militia refers to
    the braoad American population and the SCOTUS agrees
    So now the pich is that the Constitution was written by a bunch of slave holding
    Honlies, so screw it.
    It is now being disrespected by that effete English fop, Piers Morgan.


  204. 204 | January 13, 2013 5:35 pm

    @ Calo:

    Maybe IF can visit you and run over your mailbox. He’s done it before…


  205. Lily
    205 | January 13, 2013 5:35 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    You know Rix I have never, ever seen the worship of man like obama before
    Um, Lily? there is precedent — FDR

    Before my time…and it was a different time. World War II and all and the massive depression too. I think WWII over shadows him and there were more than a few people who didn’t care for him. Even FDR doesn’t get the hero worship obama has gotten.


  206. Mars
    206 | January 13, 2013 5:36 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    I have just never gotten the fascination with suppressors. The only quasi-valid argument I’ve heard is that you can fire suppressed weapon without ear protection, which is technically true, but not practically. On an average day at the range I use, people are firing all sorts of things, so you better have those muffs on, even if your weapon has a suppressor. Pay extra, unbalance the weapon, raise the sight plane, lower the muzzle velocity and energy, AND sign yourself up with the feds. I just don’t see the attraction myself.

    I agree. I really don’t care for any added weight on my weapon. I’ve heard that it plays havoc with accuracy too. That’s just from some of my friends though. Don’t know if thats true.


  207. Mars
    207 | January 13, 2013 5:39 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    The Libs are now getting away from their interpretation of a “Well Regulated Militia”
    as just a reference to a group to fight King George.
    George Mason, the coauthor of the 2nd Amendment said that the Militia refers to
    the braoad American population and the SCOTUS agrees
    So now the pich is that the Constitution was written by a bunch of slave holding
    Honlies, so screw it.
    It is now being disrespected by that effete English fop, Piers Morgan.

    Many brits still have their knickers in a twist over the whole revolution thing.


  208. Mars
    208 | January 13, 2013 5:40 pm

    Lily wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    You know Rix I have never, ever seen the worship of man like obama before
    Um, Lily? there is precedent — FDR
    Before my time…and it was a different time. World War II and all and the massive depression too. I think WWII over shadows him and there were more than a few people who didn’t care for him. Even FDR doesn’t get the hero worship obama has gotten.

    Actually he seems to. I’ve known quite a few people from that generation and they go ballistic if you say anything against him. And these are people that are otherwise solid conservative.


  209. RIX
    209 | January 13, 2013 5:41 pm

    @ Lily:
    Yeah, FDR was treated like a god, but was never referred to as “our Lord &
    Savior” like Obama wqs.


  210. Calo
    210 | January 13, 2013 5:42 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    And, of course, you would be a delight to meet in person as well. :smile:


  211. 211 | January 13, 2013 5:43 pm

    @ RIX:

    I believe God Himself has something very special planned for Jamie Foxx’s sheer and utter Blasphemy.


  212. RIX
    212 | January 13, 2013 5:44 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I believe God Himself has something very special planned for Jamie Foxx’s sheer and utter Blasphemy.

    I would hope that he has to spend eternity with Iceweasel.


  213. Mars
    213 | January 13, 2013 5:45 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yeah, FDR was treated like a god, but was never referred to as “our Lord &
    Savior” like Obama wqs.

    Not quite that bad, but bad enough.

    http://thebrennerbrief.com/2012/12/03/when-history-repeats-itself-fdr-and-bho/


  214. 214 | January 13, 2013 5:47 pm

    @ Calo:

    Most people I know would assure you that it’s not that big a thrill…


  215. Bumr50
    215 | January 13, 2013 5:47 pm

    Boy that Hansel and Gretel movie looks pretty friggin’ stupid.


  216. 216 | January 13, 2013 5:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I would hope that he has to spend eternity with Iceweasel.

    Hmmm…perhaps that means he got nuked along with Iceweasel & Killgore Trout (not to mention selrahC) back in Episode X!


  217. RIX
    217 | January 13, 2013 5:49 pm

    Mars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yeah, FDR was treated like a god, but was never referred to as “our Lord &
    Savior” like Obama wqs.

    Not quite that bad, but bad enough.

    http://thebrennerbrief.com/2012/12/03/when-history-repeats-itself-fdr-and-bho/

    The Greatest Generation (God bless them) never made the connection that
    the Japanese ended tee Depression not FDR.


  218. RIX
    218 | January 13, 2013 5:50 pm

    Macker wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I would hope that he has to spend eternity with Iceweasel.

    Hmmm…perhaps that means he got nuked along with Iceweasel & Killgore Trout (not to mention selrahC) back in Episode X!

    Toss Ludwig in there and you have a sitcom.


  219. buzzsawmonkey
    219 | January 13, 2013 5:50 pm

    RIX wrote:

    So now the pich is that the Constitution was written by a bunch of slave holding
    Honlies, so screw it.
    It is now being disrespected by that effete English fop, Piers Morgan.

    What Piers Morgan says is not that important. The fact that the New York Times, the Zardoz of Liberalism (“Zardoz! Zardoz! Zardoz! The Penis is Good. The Gun is Evil!”), recently published an op-ed by a law professor which talked about how the Constitution was garbage is much more worrisome than anything the fat-faced Brit might utter.


  220. Lily
    220 | January 13, 2013 5:52 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Calo:
    Maybe IF can visit you and run over your mailbox. He’s done it before…

    Say it ain’t so!!!!!!!!!
    /LOL! LOL! LOL!


  221. buzzsawmonkey
    221 | January 13, 2013 5:52 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Boy that Hansel and Gretel movie looks pretty friggin’ stupid.

    I don’t know what movie that is, but we are in a Hansel and Gretel movie. Hansel and Gretel, two innocent Americans, see a gingerbread house of Free Stuff in which there dwells a wicked witch that looks startlingly like Obama. As Hansel and Gretel start gorging them on Free Gingerbread, the witch imprisons them with the intent of devouring them.


  222. Bumr50
    222 | January 13, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Here’s the trailer.

    They’ve been pushing it a lot during NFL playoffs.


  223. RIX
    223 | January 13, 2013 5:59 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    So now the pich is that the Constitution was written by a bunch of slave holding
    Honlies, so screw it.
    It is now being disrespected by that effete English fop, Piers Morgan.

    What Piers Morgan says is not that important. The fact that the New York Times, the Zardoz of Liberalism (“Zardoz! Zardoz! Zardoz! The Penis is Good. The Gun is Evil!”), recently published an op-ed by a law professor which talked about how the Constitution was garbage is much more worrisome than anything the fat-faced Brit might utter.

    The blatant assaults on the Constitution are very dangerous imo.
    That Document keeps us away from rule of the jungle.


  224. buzzsawmonkey
    224 | January 13, 2013 6:02 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    That looks extremely stupid.

    It’s grotesque that it is almost impossible to find classic versions of original fairytales, but that this overblown revisionist nonsense gets wide play.


  225. 225 | January 13, 2013 6:02 pm

    Calo wrote:

    So, maybe next meet up…

    Hopefully. I’d like to meet you, too.


  226. buzzsawmonkey
    226 | January 13, 2013 6:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The blatant assaults on the Constitution are very dangerous imo.
    That Document keeps us away from rule of the jungle.

    Left-Liberals then: “The Constitution is a living document.”

    Left-Liberals now: “…So, let’s beat it to death and put it out of its misery.”


  227. buzzsawmonkey
    227 | January 13, 2013 6:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    rule of the jungle.

    That’s Kim Jung-Il to you…


  228. Lily
    228 | January 13, 2013 6:05 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yeah, FDR was treated like a god, but was never referred to as “our Lord &
    Savior” like Obama wqs.

    Well at least maybe we know we can survive the worship of a president hopefully again.


  229. Mars
    229 | January 13, 2013 6:05 pm

    Anyone know when one should or shouldn’t carry? My state is open carry except for govt buildings, banks, and schools. My natural tendency is just to say screw it, carry everywhere. Is this considered a violation of any kind of social custom?

    I know I’ve seen a few people doing open carry this summer at yard sales, but just am not sure if there’s any kind of standards of etiquette.


  230. RIX
    230 | January 13, 2013 6:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    The blatant assaults on the Constitution are very dangerous imo.
    That Document keeps us away from rule of the jungle.

    Left-Liberals then: “The Constitution is a living document.”

    Left-Liberals now: “…So, let’s beat it to death and put it out of its misery.”

    And they see no contradiction.


  231. RIX
    231 | January 13, 2013 6:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    rule of the jungle.

    That’s Kim Jung-Il to you…

    You didn’t!


  232. Lily
    232 | January 13, 2013 6:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Yeah, FDR was treated like a god, but was never referred to as “our Lord &
    Savior” like Obama wqs.
    Not quite that bad, but bad enough.
    http://thebrennerbrief.com/2012/12/03/when-history-repeats-itself-fdr-and-bho/
    The Greatest Generation (God bless them) never made the connection that
    the Japanese ended tee Depression not FDR.

    I most of got edumacated right…because I was taught it was the war that ended the depression not FDR..and a lot of FDR’s stuff didn’t work out well.


  233. Calo
    233 | January 13, 2013 6:09 pm

    @ Mars:

    I know I’ve seen a few people doing open carry this summer at yard sales, but just am not sure if there’s any kind of standards of etiquette.

    Carrying at a garage sale might bring the bartering to a dead halt.


  234. RIX
    234 | January 13, 2013 6:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yeah, FDR was treated like a god, but was never referred to as “our Lord &
    Savior” like Obama wqs.

    Well at least maybe we know we can survive the worship of a president hopefully again.

    This seems different. It w2ill be tough for Society to recover.
    The yoots are brainwashed.


  235. RIX
    235 | January 13, 2013 6:11 pm

    @ Lily</b
    You were well ejubacated!


  236. Lily
    236 | January 13, 2013 6:15 pm

    @ RIX:

    Well that was kind of what I meant that I have never, ever seen the worship of a president like obama is worshipped. It wasn’t that I was ignoring FDR..but in my opinion obama even surpasses FDR. In my opinion FDR seems rather centrist compared to obama in my opinion!


  237. Lily
    237 | January 13, 2013 6:18 pm

    @ RIX:

    LOL! LOL! LOL!

    I did a lot of reading when I was young and still read a lot … WWII was one of my more interesting subjects to read about. But as many books as I have read….there is still more stuff for me to learn. ;)


  238. buzzsawmonkey
    238 | January 13, 2013 6:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Well that was kind of what I meant that I have never, ever seen the worship of a president like obama is worshipped.

    “And they announced, “When you hear the media, all must bow down to the image of Obamanezzar. He who does not bow down shall be cast into a Fiery Fairness.”


  239. 239 | January 13, 2013 6:18 pm

    @ Mars:

    In most states that allow it, open carry will give you the chance to meet and greet a wide array of local and state LEOs when people freak out and call them.


  240. Lily
    240 | January 13, 2013 6:21 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I know I’ve seen a few people doing open carry this summer at yard sales, but just am not sure if there’s any kind of standards of etiquette.
    Carrying at a garage sale might bring the bartering to a dead halt.

    Etiquette for carrying a gun?? Hmmmmmmmm? Now there is something that hasn’t been ventured. How did they do it back in the Western days maybe???


  241. Lily
    241 | January 13, 2013 6:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Well that was kind of what I meant that I have never, ever seen the worship of a president like obama is worshipped.
    “And they announced, “When you hear the media, all must bow down to the image of Obamanezzar. He who does not bow down shall be cast into a Fiery Fairness.”

    Damn. My future looks bad then. I’m not bowing down to him or any man for that fact. :(


  242. RIX
    242 | January 13, 2013 6:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Well that was kind of what I meant that I have never, ever seen the worship of a president like obama is worshipped. It wasn’t that I was ignoring FDR..but in my opinion obama even surpasses FDR. In my opinion FDR seems rather centrist compared to obama in my opinion!

    I think that the adoration & and the willingness to open a vain
    surrounding Obama has no precedent.
    Someone said that Chris Matthews wants to carry his baby.


  243. RIX
    243 | January 13, 2013 6:26 pm

    @ Lily:
    Bill O’Rielys Killing Lincoln is excellent.


  244. Lily
    244 | January 13, 2013 6:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Well that was kind of what I meant that I have never, ever seen the worship of a president like obama is worshipped. It wasn’t that I was ignoring FDR..but in my opinion obama even surpasses FDR. In my opinion FDR seems rather centrist compared to obama in my opinion!
    I think that the adoration & and the willingness to open a vain
    surrounding Obama has no precedent.
    Someone said that Chris Matthews wants to carry his baby.

    Oh I agree! Like I said up-thread there are people who will defend obama with more passion than they will defend their belief in God!!
    It’s insane!


  245. buzzsawmonkey
    245 | January 13, 2013 6:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Like I said up-thread there are people who will defend obama with more passion than they will defend their belief in God!!

    What “belief in God?”


  246. Lily
    246 | January 13, 2013 6:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Bill O’Rielys Killing Lincoln is excellent.

    I have that book. My son bought it for me. I haven’t been in a reading mood yet. Once I do though I will devour several books. I’ll make sure I keep that one in mind in my next pile. There are several books that are waiting for me to read.


  247. 247 | January 13, 2013 6:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hear Hear! They are Godless Communists!


  248. Bumr50
    248 | January 13, 2013 6:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    What “belief in God?”

    Indeed.

    It is their non-belief that allows them to operate under the assumption that their very existence is the most important thing in the universe.


  249. Lily
    249 | January 13, 2013 6:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Like I said up-thread there are people who will defend obama with more passion than they will defend their belief in God!!
    What “belief in God?”

    Trust me there are some people who believe in God and still are obama supporters. It’s a bit of a quagmire I must admit. But they do exsist.
    I don’t know how….the only explanation is they no longer can see the difference between good and evil.


  250. RIX
    250 | January 13, 2013 6:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Bill O’Rielys Killing Lincoln is excellent.

    I have that book. My son bought it for me. I haven’t been in a reading mood yet. Once I do though I will devour several books. I’ll make sure I keep that one in mind in my next pile. There are several books that are waiting for me to read.

    There are parts of the Civil War in the book that I was not aware of.
    Really interesting. I think that you will enjoy it.


  251. Lily
    251 | January 13, 2013 6:34 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    There are some obama lovers who believe in God….really they do exsist. They seem to believe in obama more. But they exsist.


  252. Calo
    252 | January 13, 2013 6:36 pm

    Congrats to mfhorn for winning the Buzzsaw Award this year.


  253. Lily
    253 | January 13, 2013 6:39 pm

    @ RIX:

    I probably will enjoy it! I need to get in a reading mood. I still have my cranky moods right now.


  254. Bumr50
    254 | January 13, 2013 6:41 pm

    Great.

    Then all they’ll need to do is declare all Republicans insane.

    Gov. Bobby Jindal Proposing “Gun Safety” Legislation Based On Mental Health Issues

    ht- WZ


  255. RIX
    255 | January 13, 2013 6:42 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I probably will enjoy it! I need to get in a reading mood. I still have my cranky moods right now.

    Maybe audio books?


  256. 256 | January 13, 2013 6:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Like I said up-thread there are people who will defend obama with more passion than they will defend their belief in God!!
    What “belief in God?”

    Actually I think the correct question is not “What “belief” in god” but “Belief in “which” God”…


  257. buzzsawmonkey
    257 | January 13, 2013 6:43 pm

    @ Lily:

    Away in Chicago, in what some call a “crib”
    The Chicago Jesus practiced speaking so glib
    His mentor Bill Ayers looked on, that he not err
    As Chicago Jesus mastered the Teleprompter

    Thanks to learning his lines, and to votes fraudulent
    The Chicago Jesus became President
    Those on the dole worship him, and progressives too
    He’ll give you an Obamaphone™, or perhaps two

    Chicago Jesus is generous, quite without peer
    For he drives the US debt up to the stratosphere
    The nation may be bankrupt, but he does not care
    As long as he can force you to “pay your fair share”


  258. RIX
    258 | January 13, 2013 6:44 pm

    Hark! I hear the dinner bell. Later.


  259. eaglesoars
    259 | January 13, 2013 6:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Is this considered a violation of any kind of social custom?

    Well, it may be differenct where you are -- but here in Northern Virginia, I’ve found grocery stores problematic. There are often small children there and Moms tend to freak a bit.

    The same is true for big box Pet stores -- but I ignore that because some bangers like to bring whatever intimidating breed that’s currently in fashion and strut it. They get polite quick.


  260. Lily
    260 | January 13, 2013 6:48 pm

    @ RIX:

    Later Rix!


  261. lobo91
    261 | January 13, 2013 6:49 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Great.
    Then all they’ll need to do is declare all Republicans insane.
    Gov. Bobby Jindal Proposing “Gun Safety” Legislation Based On Mental Health Issues
    ht- WZ

    The real question is why are only a handful of states reporting such data now?

    The NRA has supported this idea for years, BTW.


  262. Lily
    262 | January 13, 2013 6:50 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    LOL!!!!

    Buzz you really out did yourself on that one!


  263. buzzsawmonkey
    263 | January 13, 2013 6:50 pm

    Calo wrote:

    Congrats to mfhorn for winning the Buzzsaw Award this year.

    Yes, indeed. I hadn’t seen that; it’s a real beaut.


  264. eaglesoars
    264 | January 13, 2013 6:50 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Then all they’ll need to do is declare all Republicans insane.

    They’re already trying. How many articles have I read that portray conservatives as mentally ill/deviant? Quite a few.


  265. Lily
    265 | January 13, 2013 6:52 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Great.
    Then all they’ll need to do is declare all Republicans insane.
    Gov. Bobby Jindal Proposing “Gun Safety” Legislation Based On Mental Health Issues
    ht- WZ

    Easy game the system. Be a democrat that only votes Republican. It really messes with the stats.


  266. buzzsawmonkey
    266 | January 13, 2013 6:53 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    They’re already trying. How many articles have I read that portray conservatives as mentally ill/deviant? Quite a few.

    Any “science” that can declare something a disease or disorder by vote—as the mental-health establishment has done with homosexual behavior, with transgenderism, and is now contemplating doing with pedophilia—is not a science but a modern-day priesthood of Ba’al.


  267. Lily
    267 | January 13, 2013 6:56 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    Then all they’ll need to do is declare all Republicans insane.
    They’re already trying. How many articles have I read that portray conservatives as mentally ill/deviant? Quite a few.

    Oh indeed! But this is nothing new at all. Even a few years ago my mother said, “Lily you are a conservative!!!!!!” and started crying. I looked at her and said “and you are not??????” Being a conservative is like being a serial killer!!!! That is how bad it is and has been for several years now. I would rather be a conservative than a liberal or a leftist any day of the week.


  268. buzzsawmonkey
    268 | January 13, 2013 6:57 pm

    By the way, what is the whole “Milyo” thing?


  269. brookly red
    269 | January 13, 2013 7:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Then all they’ll need to do is declare all Republicans insane.

    They’re already trying. How many articles have I read that portray conservatives as mentally ill/deviant? Quite a few.

    I hate to be rude but I don’t find the opinion of a man with another man up his ass qualified to define yet another man as deviant.


  270. eaglesoars
    270 | January 13, 2013 7:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    and is now contemplating doing with pedophilia—is not a science but a modern-day priesthood of Ba’al.

    I didn’t want to distract from the thread, but I saved something for you. The other day Rush noted a column in the Guardian (UK) that seemed to promote paedophilia as just another point on the continuum of human sexuality. And THEN I found this:

    Rush Limbaugh Is Right: The Academic Pro-Pedophile Movement Is a Real Danger

    The point is that the “research” cited in favor of the normalization of pedophilia is generally produced by “experts” of a very dubious nature, whose interest in the subject matter does not seem to be merely academic. And yet, as evidenced by Columbia University’s hiring of Professor Sandfort, there are evidently those in the academic community who do not see this movement as dangerous.

    Robert Stacey McCain has apparently been following tis for some years. He’s got the background -- chapter and verse -- on all the players.

    The normalization of paedophilia. It’s here.


  271. Lily
    271 | January 13, 2013 7:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    First I have heard of it.


  272. brookly red
    272 | January 13, 2013 7:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    They’re already trying. How many articles have I read that portray conservatives as mentally ill/deviant? Quite a few.

    Any “science” that can declare something a disease or disorder by vote—as the mental-health establishment has done with homosexual behavior, with transgenderism, and is now contemplating doing with pedophilia—is not a science but a modern-day priesthood of Ba’al.

    Indeed there is a Godlessness here that will not go unrewarded…


  273. eaglesoars
    273 | January 13, 2013 7:03 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    By the way, what is the whole “Milyo” thing?

    Milyo is a beagle famous for silly exploits on youtube. The most recent I’ve seen is one where she’s trying to play with an orange.


  274. brookly red
    274 | January 13, 2013 7:03 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Great.
    Then all they’ll need to do is declare all Republicans insane.
    Gov. Bobby Jindal Proposing “Gun Safety” Legislation Based On Mental Health Issues
    ht- WZ

    Easy game the system. Be a democrat that only votes Republican. It really messes with the stats.

    shut up!


  275. Lily
    275 | January 13, 2013 7:04 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    You know that is really sick! So the movement of everything bad is good is still on track.


  276. heysoos
    276 | January 13, 2013 7:05 pm

    Tom Brady is doing his typical thing…he really can make pizza pie outa horse shit


  277. buzzsawmonkey
    277 | January 13, 2013 7:05 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Milyo is a beagle famous for silly exploits on youtube. The most recent I’ve seen is one where she’s trying to play with an orange.

    I’ve seen it over in DoD w/reference to the Mad King.


  278. lobo91
    278 | January 13, 2013 7:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Everything is normal now.

    Except normalcy.


  279. eaglesoars
    279 | January 13, 2013 7:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’ve seen it over in DoD w/reference to the Mad King.

    Ok, then I’m clueless.


  280. Lily
    280 | January 13, 2013 7:06 pm

    @ brookly red:

    8-)


  281. CynicalConservative
    281 | January 13, 2013 7:08 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I believe it was a mispronuciation of “milieu” during an interview or some such.

    /galt


  282. 282 | January 13, 2013 7:08 pm

    @ Calo:

    Thank you! :D


  283. Lily
    283 | January 13, 2013 7:08 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Milyo is a beagle famous for silly exploits on youtube. The most recent I’ve seen is one where she’s trying to play with an orange.
    I’ve seen it over in DoD w/reference to the Mad King.

    Maybe in reference that cj is nothing but a beagle now playing with an orange.


  284. brookly red
    284 | January 13, 2013 7:09 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Robert Stacey McCain has apparently been following tis for some years. He’s got the background — chapter and verse — on all the players.

    The normalization of paedophilia. It’s here.

    a liberal quagmire kill the baby or fuck it? sorry to be rude but it is what it is.


  285. lobo91
    285 | January 13, 2013 7:10 pm

    @ Lily:

    Maybe in reference that cj is nothing but a beagle now playing with an orange.

    Don’t insult beagles like that


  286. Lily
    286 | January 13, 2013 7:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Everything is normal now.
    Except normalcy.

    Everything that is really evil is normal now. That is the kicker. Especially when it comes to ones sexuality. No boundries ….is a-ok.


  287. heysoos
    287 | January 13, 2013 7:10 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    eaglesoars wrote:
    They’re already trying. How many articles have I read that portray conservatives as mentally ill/deviant? Quite a few.
    Any “science” that can declare something a disease or disorder by vote—as the mental-health establishment has done with homosexual behavior, with transgenderism, and is now contemplating doing with pedophilia—is not a science but a modern-day priesthood of Ba’al.

    Indeed there is a Godlessness here that will not go unrewarded…

    it’s a riff from CJ’s mispronunciation of ‘milieu’


  288. eaglesoars
    288 | January 13, 2013 7:10 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Ok, then I’m clueless.

    I’ll say. The dog’s name is Maymo

    LOL!


  289. Calo
    289 | January 13, 2013 7:12 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    By the way, what is the whole “Milyo” thing?

    Mil Yo is how CJ pronounces milieu in an interview.


  290. Lily
    290 | January 13, 2013 7:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Maybe in reference that cj is nothing but a beagle now playing with an orange.
    Don’t insult beagles like that

    :lol: I have to admit that a beagle has a higher I.Q. than cj and better morals too.


  291. Lily
    291 | January 13, 2013 7:14 pm

    @ Calo:

    Dammit I should have remembered that!!!! Of course cj rolling a orange around on the floor for entertainment is rather fitting too.


  292. Calo
    292 | January 13, 2013 7:17 pm

    @ Lily:
    Some of those DoD posters are quite clever.
    I enjoy peeking in and seeing what they are cooking up, call it a guilty pleasure.


  293. buzzsawmonkey
    293 | January 13, 2013 7:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The normalization of paedophilia. It’s here.

    In other words, now that the normalization of homosexual behavior has been nearly achieved, the longterm objective of Harry Hay, communist founder of the Mattachine Society and, later, NAMBLA, is being achieved through—you should pardon the expression—the back door.

    The gay-rights lobby politically normalized homosexual behavior, which paved the way for the mental-health establishment to accomplish by “medical” decree what the lobby could never achieve politically.


  294. 294 | January 13, 2013 7:19 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Register as an independent. Of course, then the ‘Republicans’ that are left will mainly be the establishment types, or at least those that follow the urgings of the RNC & other establishment groups.


  295. eaglesoars
    295 | January 13, 2013 7:19 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I have to admit that a beagle has a higher I.Q. than cj and better morals too.

    Beagles have higher IQs than a lot of people -- trust me.


  296. eaglesoars
    296 | January 13, 2013 7:21 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mattachine Society

    Ok, I have to go look that up -- brb


  297. buzzsawmonkey
    297 | January 13, 2013 7:21 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    Hey, mf! Congrats on your award!


  298. heysoos
    298 | January 13, 2013 7:25 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I have to admit that a beagle has a higher I.Q. than cj and better morals too.
    Beagles have higher IQs than a lot of people — trust me.

    a friend of mine had several redbone hounds….really smart dogs, super friendly but noisy like a beagle…they just can’t shut up


  299. heysoos
    299 | January 13, 2013 7:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    I have to admit that a beagle has a higher I.Q. than cj and better morals too.
    Beagles have higher IQs than a lot of people — trust me.

    a friend of mine had several redbone hounds….really smart dogs, super friendly but noisy like a beagle…they just can’t shut up

    NOT noisy that is


  300. 300 | January 13, 2013 7:25 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Thank you! I’d been planning that flounce for a long time.


  301. eaglesoars
    301 | January 13, 2013 7:28 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mattachine Society

    Ok, that was unpleasant. Found out the FBI maintains an online vault tho’. That should be fun to peruse.


  302. Lily
    302 | January 13, 2013 7:29 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I have to admit that a beagle has a higher I.Q. than cj and better morals too.
    Beagles have higher IQs than a lot of people — trust me.

    Now days I most certainly believe you for sure.


  303. Lily
    303 | January 13, 2013 7:32 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    You were still posting at lgf?


  304. Lily
    304 | January 13, 2013 7:33 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Mattachine Society
    Ok, that was unpleasant. Found out the FBI maintains an online vault tho’. That should be fun to peruse.

    For some reason I’ll take your word for it.


  305. buzzsawmonkey
    305 | January 13, 2013 7:36 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Ok, that was unpleasant. Found out the FBI maintains an online vault tho’. That should be fun to peruse.

    Curious as to what you found that was unpleasant, aside from the Mattachine Society being the first “homophile rights” organization in the US, and communist-founded.

    You are aware, are you not, that Harry Hay was a personal hero to Obama’s Safe Fisting Schools Czar Kevin Jennings?


  306. eaglesoars
    306 | January 13, 2013 7:36 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    but noisy like a beagle…

    They can be VERY vocal. Not good for apartment living. But it makes them good alert dogs. One night, home alone and in bed, somebody -- probably kids -- pounded ferocously on the outer glass door of the house. I was fine -- good locks, alarm system, weapon -- but I called the cops just to let them know in case something was going on in the neighborhod -- I didn’t need them come. The cop on the phone said “M’am is that your dog?”

    Yeah, she’s pissed and she wants to kill somebody but she’s just a beagle. Hung up and went back to bed. Phone rings. “Mrs. Eaglesoars, please secure your weapon, we have officers en route”

    When the cops got here, they said the dispatcher thought Molly sounded so upset he thought someone might still be lurking outside.

    Good Dog!!


  307. eaglesoars
    307 | January 13, 2013 7:39 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    You are aware, are you not, that Harry Hay was a personal hero to Obama’s Safe Fisting Schools Czar Kevin Jennings?

    I couldn’t figure out why the name Harry Hay sounded familiar. Then, as I was reading that nightmare I realized -- and that’s when I started to feel ill.


  308. heysoos
    308 | January 13, 2013 7:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    but noisy like a beagle…
    They can be VERY vocal. Not good for apartment living. But it makes them good alert dogs. One night, home alone and in bed, somebody — probably kids — pounded ferocously on the outer glass door of the house. I was fine — good locks, alarm system, weapon — but I called the cops just to let them know in case something was going on in the neighborhod — I didn’t need them come. The cop on the phone said “M’am is that your dog?”
    Yeah, she’s pissed and she wants to kill somebody but she’s just a beagle. Hung up and went back to bed. Phone rings. “Mrs. Eaglesoars, please secure your weapon, we have officers en route”
    When the cops got here, they said the dispatcher thought Molly sounded so upset he thought someone might still be lurking outside.
    Good Dog!!

    I’ve been around beagles and I like most any critter…my point, which I mess all up is that beagles bark like crazy and howl like the devil, whereas the redbones do as well but with a purpose…most hound breeds are pretty smart….in the end they are all good doggies


  309. Lily
    309 | January 13, 2013 7:45 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Well I did have someone trying to break in to my house when I was 26. My dog wasn’t any help. They were very quiet and we just moved into the house so the phone wasn’t hooked up yet. No phone, a 4 year old and a newborn and husband at work. I was very scared..then remembered the shotgun. I opened up the blinds and let them know I had a shotgun and would shoot anyone who entered my house. At that time it was unloaded. But I was so past fear if they would have entered the house they would have been met with me using the gun like a bat.


  310. 310 | January 13, 2013 7:46 pm

    New Thread.


  311. eaglesoars
    311 | January 13, 2013 7:47 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    beagles bark like crazy and howl like the devil,

    Our UPS, Fed Ex and USPS delivery people get such a kick out of Molly. She howls and howls when they come and then when we open the door she rolls over for a tummy rub. It makes their day. There are times, tho, when I have to isolate her in a room because she just loses it. Don’t get me started on those Domino’s pizza commercials where they rang a doorbell. sheesh


  312. eaglesoars
    312 | January 13, 2013 7:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    they would have been met with me using the gun like a bat.

    And it’s not like they weigh nothing, either.


  313. heysoos
    313 | January 13, 2013 7:52 pm

    @ Lily:
    back when I was sick and couldn’t walk, my ex came to the bunkhouse to pick up my laundry for me, on her way to work at 4am…she went from door to door trying to sneak in quietly….my heart was pounding, following this intruder around from the inside…she snick in through the back slider and my 12ga was in her face…that was a weird incident for me…scratching around this door, trying to push open another…I wasn’t scared but my BR was for sure elevated


  314. 314 | January 13, 2013 8:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Any “science” that can declare something a disease or disorder by vote—as the mental-health establishment has done with homosexual behavior, with transgenderism, and is now contemplating doing with pedophilia—is not a science but a modern-day priesthood of Ba’al.

    Indeed….


  315. 315 | January 13, 2013 9:06 pm

    @ Lily:

    No, I hadn’t posted in a long time, but my account was still active.


  316. 316 | January 13, 2013 9:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    It’s gone beyond odd. People at all levels of intellect and community standing have completely given themselves over to this. It’s like demonic possession.

    not like demonic possession, actual demonic possession a total Godlessness that will not be allowed to go on forever.

    Exactly.

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Obama didn’t write it, Paul Shawcross did.
    and make 176,000 to do so
    Mars wrote:
    How do you make people actually think?
    cut of their welfare
    Doesn’t work with the people on the tech blogs. These are people working in the tech industry and they still can’t think critically.
    Try again.
    when people can’t buy their shit with other people’s money they will cease to exist.

    ??? Are you even reading what you write today? I’m talking about people in industry that won’t particularly be affected by entitlement cuts. These are people largely supported by the middle class. I’m talking about people operating tech support for corporations. I’m glad you see that entitlements need to be done away with, but I don’t really see how that has anything to do with a damn thing I’ve said.

    When their jobs get outsourced, and they can’t get another one, they’ll join the 47 percent and go on the dole. And they still won’t think.

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    How do you make people actually think?
    This is a question I have been asking myself for a while. Ignorance has been in style for too long. People actually refuse to believe the truth for some reason. It’s rather odd.
    It’s gone beyond odd. People at all levels of intellect and community standing have completely given themselves over to this. It’s like demonic possession.
    A rather apt observation. Because they cannot tell the difference between good and evil either.

    They know the difference, all right, and they prefer EVIL. And they call evil good, and good evil.

    brookly red wrote:

    I am not a big gun nut but I can read the writing on the wall… my grandparents gave up their guns and they died in a concentration camp. I see clearly what is going on here.

    Same thing happened to a lot of the Serbs in Kosovo. NATO and the Clinton Administration took their guns away, did NOT take away the guns from the Albanian narcoterrorists, and the latter killed of many of the former and had a considerable number of them butchered for their organs.

    Worst of all, I was on this side of the pond, knew what was happening, tried to tell everyone I could…and it didn’t do any good.

    And people wonder why my feelings toward the US are mixed, at best.


  317. Calo
    317 | January 13, 2013 9:59 pm

    had a considerable number of them butchered for their organs.

    Link please. Seems highly improbable.

    my feelings toward the US are mixed, at best.

    No doubt, you have never said otherwise.

    Now, give me the foreigner who was banned from this blog and made his way in the States successfully and loves this country back, instead.


  318. 318 | January 13, 2013 10:18 pm

    Macker wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Any “science” that can declare something a disease or disorder by vote—as the mental-health establishment has done with homosexual behavior, with transgenderism, and is now contemplating doing with pedophilia—is not a science but a modern-day priesthood of Ba’al.
    Indeed….

    Indeed.

    Lily wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ Mars:
    I know I’ve seen a few people doing open carry this summer at yard sales, but just am not sure if there’s any kind of standards of etiquette.
    Carrying at a garage sale might bring the bartering to a dead halt.
    Etiquette for carrying a gun?? Hmmmmmmmm? Now there is something that hasn’t been ventured. How did they do it back in the Western days maybe???

    There’s only two things that should be in the etiquette for carrying a gun:

    1) Know how to use it.
    2) Don’t leave home without it.

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Obamas younger acolytes can’t believe that their paychecks are lighter.
    But the still love him.
    *Shaking head*….You know Rix I have never, ever seen the worship of man like obama before. Sure there was presidents that the media has given lee-way to…but I have never seen how the media, how a lot of people act towards obama!!! The man can do no wrong..and when he does a lot of wrong people and the media go into denial. Any other president would have never, ever got the media pass obama has gotten!!

    I’ve seen it. You’ll see it on a future thread.


  319. Lily
    319 | January 13, 2013 10:21 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    See what on a future thread?????


  320. 320 | January 13, 2013 10:24 pm

    Calo wrote:

    had a considerable number of them butchered for their organs.
    Link please. Seems highly improbable.
    my feelings toward the US are mixed, at best.
    No doubt, you have never said otherwise.
    Now, give me the foreigner who was banned from this blog and made his way in the States successfully and loves this country back, instead.

    Not that I owe you an answer.

    I have catalogued some information about organ theft on my blog. If that is not enough information for you LOOK IT ALL UP YOURSELF. I have posted information about it on THIS blog too. I can’t believe you wouldn’t remember -- unless you only read stuff that makes the US look like the magic city on a hill that you still want to believe it is.

    What sort of foreigner has been banned from this blog?

    Are you arrogating to yourself the power to ban people from here?

    I didn’t realize you were one of the owners! My, my!

    Oleg Atbashian of the People’s Cube fled from the USSR, made good here, learned to love the US, and now is beyond horrified that the US is turning into exactly the place he left.


  321. 321 | January 13, 2013 10:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    See what on a future thread?????

    “You know Rix I have never, ever seen the worship of man like obama before.”

    That’s what I will show y’all on a future thread.


  322. Calo
    322 | January 13, 2013 10:34 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    makes the US look like the magic city on a hill that you still want to believe it is.

    I believe in this country, I am sorry you don’t.


  323. huckfunn
    323 | January 13, 2013 10:37 pm

    Judge Jeanine Piro totally smokes the Journal News


  324. coldwarrior
    324 | January 13, 2013 11:13 pm

    that sound you hear is not a vent, nor is it a pca pump.

    that sound is a guinness draught can being opened and poured


  325. huckfunn
    325 | January 13, 2013 11:17 pm

    I was wondering what that was. Prosit! Cap’n Morgan & Coke Zero here.


  326. Calo
    326 | January 13, 2013 11:17 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I ain’t gonna respond to her.

    Diprivan, please.


  327. coldwarrior
    327 | January 13, 2013 11:20 pm

    oh jeeze.

    well. i will stay and fight. between mrs coldwarrior and me we have highly portable and desirable skills. we are eligible to go to aussie land (this is a tough one to turn down), could move to costa rica and make $$$ on private medicine, and we could easily move to russia and be well off as they are more interested in my ms in econ than anything else.

    we will stay. we will fight. we will win. mrs coldwarrior is especially in that camp.


  328. Lily
    328 | January 13, 2013 11:20 pm

    @ Calo:

    Darn it and all I have is a damn de-caff Dr. Pepper!!!!!!


  329. coldwarrior
    329 | January 13, 2013 11:20 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I ain’t gonna respond to her.
    Diprivan, please.

    i can titrate versed…but that means a vent.

    :!


  330. huckfunn
    330 | January 13, 2013 11:21 pm

    Robbery victim wants to thank Good Samaritans who came to his rescue.

    HOUSTON — A couple of strangers came to the rescue when a man was robbed at gunpoint. Now, the victim wants to say thank you to the Good Samaritans.
    Police believe the criminal who was canvassing a neighborhood in the 2500 block of Wichita near Hermann Park had no idea what he was in for when he picked his target.
    The victim in this case had just walked back to his car from a bar around the corner.
    Kevin Dorsey says he hadn’t even closed his car door Thursday night when a man wearing all black and a ski mask put a gun to his chest. The man took Dorsey’s wallet, cell phone and car keys.
    After he was robbed, Dorsey began running down the street and says two men in a Mercedes asked him what had happened.
    Dorsey told them and they not only caught up with the suspect, but they started shooting at him.
    The suspect fired back. In the end, the two witnesses turned vigilantes won and took down the bad guy.
    [...]
    After the robber had been shot, police say he jumped over a fence and was attacked by a German Shepherd. [Heh] That attack prevented him from getting away.
    The suspect, identified as Christopher Hutchins, is being treated at Ben Taub Hospital. He’s expected to recover.


  331. coldwarrior
    331 | January 13, 2013 11:21 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    See what on a future thread?????

    “You know Rix I have never, ever seen the worship of man like obama before.”
    That’s what I will show y’all on a future thread.

    i cant wait.

    this should be good


  332. Lily
    332 | January 13, 2013 11:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Oh but way better than a by-pass machine for her CW!!!! ;)


  333. coldwarrior
    333 | January 13, 2013 11:24 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Oleg Atbashian of the People’s Cube fled from the USSR, made good here, learned to love the US, and now is beyond horrified that the US is turning into exactly the place he left.

    you and he dont understand, the pendulum swings, it swings unmercifully, and it swings.

    it is to the left now. certainly.

    can you say it wont swing back? if so, then i wish you well on your travels. if we manage to get the pendulum back to our side then you might return.

    i stay and i fight.


  334. Lily
    334 | January 13, 2013 11:26 pm

    This will bring you back Calo!!!

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1533927/


  335. Calo
    335 | January 13, 2013 11:27 pm

    @ Lily:
    OMG! Stop it

    He is hot.


  336. coldwarrior
    336 | January 13, 2013 11:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Oh but way better than a by-pass machine for her CW!!!!

    dunno, its easier to get off a bypass machine than a vent.


  337. Lily
    337 | January 13, 2013 11:32 pm

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0185819/


  338. Calo
    338 | January 13, 2013 11:33 pm

    @ Lily:
    Imma gonna melt.


  339. Lily
    339 | January 13, 2013 11:33 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The vent and the by-pass machine are bitches!!


  340. coldwarrior
    340 | January 13, 2013 11:34 pm

    new thread.

    move it upstairs, mmmmkay


  341. Calo
    341 | January 14, 2013 12:49 am

    @ 1389AD:
    Do you know how crazy you sound?

    I’m thinking back to when you claimed your husband was critically ill.
    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/11/06/election-2012-post-3/#comment-1109657

    And, your other half was a bit puzzled with his diagnosis
    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/01/01/a-new-lighter-thread/#co_1141281

    But, yep, I believe the links back to your blog on organ theft.

    Good night 1389. Sleep well, toes up, and don’t forget to leave the keys when you check out of the USA.


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