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Colin Powell offers a poor defense of Chuck Hagel and his comments about the ‘Jewish lobby.’

by Speranza ( 202 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, Israel at January 16th, 2013 - 11:00 am

Colin Powell can get away with saying the most outrageous things.  Fortunately we have people such as Brit Hume and Bret Stephens who are not afraid to point out his blatant hypocrisies. We are all used to liberal double standards when it comes to crying racism, yet once in a while it is nice to stand up to them and ask for proof.

by Bret Stephens

Colin Powell thinks Chuck Hagel’s use of the term “Jewish lobby” was an innocent mistake, for which he should atone by writing “Israel lobby” 100 times on a blackboard.

“That term slips out from time to time,” the former secretary of state told David Gregory on Sunday’s “Meet the Press.” Mr. Powell also thinks that when Mr. Hagel’s critics “go over the edge and say because Chuck said ‘Jewish lobby,’ he is anti-Semitic, that’s disgraceful. We shouldn’t have that kind of language in our dialogue.”

OK, I get it. An errant slip of the tongue isn’t proof of prejudice. We have all said things the offensiveness of which we perhaps didn’t fully appreciate when we opened our mouth.

Like the time when, according to Bob Woodward, Mr. Powell accused Douglas Feith, one of the highest-ranking Jewish officials in the Bush administration and the son of a Holocaust survivor, of running a “Gestapo office” out of the Pentagon. Mr. Powell later apologized personally to Mr. Feith for what he acknowledged was a “despicable characterization.”

Or the time when, according to George Packer in his book “The Assassins’ Gate,” Mr. Powell leveled another ugly charge at Mr. Feith, this time in his final Oval Office meeting with George W. Bush. “The Defense Department had too much power in shaping foreign policy, [Powell] argued, and when Bush asked for an example, Powell offered not Rumsfeld, the secretary who had mastered him bureaucratically, not Wolfowitz, the point man on Iraq, but the department’s number three official, Douglas Feith, whom Powell called a card-carrying member of the Likud Party.”

Anyway, on this business of hypersensitivity to prejudicial remarks, real or perceived, here is Mr. Powell in the same interview talking about what ails the Republican Party:

 

“There’s also a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. What do I mean by that? I mean by that is they still sort of look down on minorities. How can I evidence that? When I see a former governor [Alaska's Sarah Palin] say that the president is shuckin’ and jivin,’ that’s a racial-era slave term. When I see another former governor [New Hampshire's John Sununu] say after the president’s first debate when he didn’t do well, he said he was lazy. Now it may not mean anything to most Americans but to those of us who are African-Americans, the second word is shiftless and then there’s a third word that goes along with it.”

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William B. Plowman/NBCThe former secretary of state defends Chuck Hagel, Jan. 13.

So let’s get this straight. Mr. Powell holds it “disgraceful” to allege anti-Semitism of politicians who invidiously use the phrase “the Jewish lobby.” But he has no qualms about accusing Mr. Sununu—along whose side he worked during the George H.W. Bush administration—of all-but whispering the infamous N-word when he called Mr. Obama’s first debate performance “lazy.”

[.......]

Consider the following hypothetical sentence: “The African-American lobby intimidates a lot of people up here.” Would this pass Mr. Powell’s smell test?

Or this: “I’m a United States senator, not a Kenyan senator.”  [.......]

Now maybe someone can explain how that’s materially different from Mr. Hagel’s suggestion that “The Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here” and “I’m a United States senator, not an Israeli senator.”

One of the arguments I’ve come across recently is that there’s nothing unwarranted about using the word “intimidate” and that it’s something all lobbies do. Remarkably, however, a Google search yields zero results for the phrases “the farm lobby intimidates,” “the African-American lobby intimidates,” or “the Hispanic lobby intimidates.” Only the Jewish lobby does that, apparently.

There is also the argument that supporters of Israel really do intimidate politicians on Capitol Hill. The word itself means “to make timid or fearful,” to “frighten,” and “to compel or deter as if by threats.” It would be interesting to see valid evidence that any group commonly associated with the Israel lobby ever employed such Mafia-like tactics. What I’ve seen instead are crackpot allegations, such as the letter I recently received charging that the Jewish lobby was responsible for William Fulbright’s 1974 senatorial defeat in Arkansas.  [......]

In the meantime, maybe Mr. Powell could show that he’s as sensitive to the whiff of anti-Semitism as he is to the whiff of racism. If George Packer’s description of Mr. Powell’s last meeting with President Bush is inaccurate, he should publicly disavow it. If it’s accurate, he should publicly apologize for it. [.......] If he has called the loyalties of other patriotic American public servants into question, that would be, to use his word, disgraceful.

Read the rest – Colin Powell’s double standard.

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202 Responses to “Colin Powell offers a poor defense of Chuck Hagel and his comments about the ‘Jewish lobby.’”
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  1. 1 | January 16, 2013 11:05 am

    From the man who said Sarah Palin was racist because she used the words “shuck and jive” yet forgets that Mario Cuomo used it as well.

    Perhaps he’d like to comment on Jesse Jerkson’s use of “Hymietown” – or is that just another “term [that] slips out from time to time”?

    You still haven’t answered for Armitage, you piece of crap.


  2. buzzsawmonkey
  3. 3 | January 16, 2013 11:16 am

    Douglas Feith is a Nation Building jerk, But Colin Powell is a bigger one. Powell is an opportunist pure and simple.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | January 16, 2013 11:31 am

    i’m confused. its bad to say the jewish lobby is powerful in DC? isn’t that the point of having a lobby? use power/ coercion to twist arms to get your policies into actions?

    it would be an insult to say that the lobby is not powerful, then that would be accusing th4 lobbyists of not doing their jobs effectively and wasting tons of cash and time.hell, if someone said that the lobby i ran was intimidating, i would take that as a compliment!


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | January 16, 2013 11:32 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    hmmmm, as bad as israel is being treated by DC it looks like the jewish lobby is actually failing.


  6. buzzsawmonkey
    6 | January 16, 2013 11:34 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    True, but when you get people talking about “the powerful Jewish lobby,” you start getting into accusations that Jews are “not loyal to this country” (the dual-loyalty calumny goes back to the Middle Ages, if not before), and that “the Jews run the country.”


  7. 7 | January 16, 2013 11:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    hmmmm, as bad as israel is being treated by DC it looks like the jewish lobby is actually failing.

    If anything it’s the Islamic lobby which calls the shots.


  8. 8 | January 16, 2013 11:36 am

    Colon Bowel is a racist punk and a damned Marxist useless imbecile.


  9. Speranza
    9 | January 16, 2013 11:36 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    True, but when you get people talking about “the powerful Jewish lobby,” you start getting into accusations that Jews are “not loyal to this country” (the dual-loyalty calumny goes back to the Middle Ages, if not before), and that “the Jews run the country.”

    Powell would not be so forgiving of anyone mentioning the African-American lobby.


  10. buzzsawmonkey
    10 | January 16, 2013 11:37 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Powell would not be so forgiving of anyone mentioning the African-American lobby.

    He states outright that calling a lazy President lazy is a “racial slur.”


  11. Speranza
    11 | January 16, 2013 11:37 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    You still haven’t answered for Armitage, you piece of crap.

    Because nobody calls him out on that.


  12. citizen_q
    12 | January 16, 2013 11:38 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    I believe the problem is the implied anti-Semitic accusations that Jews have divided loyalty, control the media, are the hidden hand in world events…

    Yes, it would be nice to have a powerful lobby to advocate for issues the concern you, but I take the implication of a powerful Jewish lobby in this context having the meanings I cited.


  13. lobo91
    13 | January 16, 2013 11:38 am

    Egyptian President Morsi In 2010: “We Must Nurse Our Children And Grandchildren On Hatred Of Jews”…

    Following are excerpts from an address delivered by Mohamed Morsi, which was posted on the Internet on January 10, 2010.

    Mohamed Morsi: One American president after another – and most recently, that Obama – talks about American guarantees for the safety of the Zionists in Palestine. [Obama] was very clear when he uttered his empty words on the land of Egypt. He uttered many lies, of which he couldn’t have fulfilled a single word, even if he were sincere – which he is not.

    Dear brothers, we must not forget to nurse our children and grandchildren on hatred towards those Zionists and Jews, and all those who support them. They must be nursed on hatred. The hatred must continue.


  14. 14 | January 16, 2013 11:38 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    If someone said the Colombian lobby was powerful, I would give them a high 5. But I see your point as well. The truth: It’s the Islamic lobby who has power!


  15. Speranza
    15 | January 16, 2013 11:38 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Powell would not be so forgiving of anyone mentioning the African-American lobby.
    He states outright that calling a lazy President lazy is a “racial slur.”

    That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. They used to say that Reagan was “lazy” all the time.


  16. 16 | January 16, 2013 11:39 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Colon Bowel is a racist punk and a damned Marxist useless imbecile.

    I hate him.


  17. buzzsawmonkey
  18. MikeA
    18 | January 16, 2013 11:46 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    What was its magazone capacity? If it was over 7, then we have a problem.


  19. randian
    19 | January 16, 2013 11:48 am

    I assume Powell defends Hagel because he’s an anti-Semite, as so many blacks are.


  20. 20 | January 16, 2013 11:48 am

    Rodan wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Colon Bowel is a racist punk and a damned Marxist useless imbecile.

    I hate him.

    I don’t,I refuse to allow him to live rent free in my head. I fell nothing towards him at all. Just as if he didn’t even exist.


  21. buzzsawmonkey
    21 | January 16, 2013 11:49 am

    @ randian:

    Blunt, yet accurate.


  22. Moe Katz
    22 | January 16, 2013 11:55 am

    randian wrote:

    I assume Powell defends Hagel because he’s an anti-Semite, as so many blacks are.

    I don’t believe he’s an antisemite, he speaks fondly of Jewish associations during his youth in the Bronx, uses a lot of Yiddishisms. He’s just a bit dovish on the Middle East, like most liberals. Let’s keep these things in perspective.


  23. 23 | January 16, 2013 11:58 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    randian wrote:
    I assume Powell defends Hagel because he’s an anti-Semite, as so many blacks are.

    I don’t believe he’s an antisemite, he speaks fondly of Jewish associations during his youth in the Bronx, uses a lot of Yiddishisms. He’s just a bit dovish on the Middle East, like most liberals. Let’s keep these things in perspective.

    Does your version of “in perspective” include massive amounts of wishful thinking?


  24. coldwarrior
    24 | January 16, 2013 12:00 pm

    Algeria’s official APS news agency cited provincial officials for news of the death, which came after an early morning attack by Islamists.

    The militants say they are holding an seven Americans and an unspecified number of British, Japanese and French amongst other nationalities, a spokesman is cited as saying by two Mauritanian news agencies – Agence Nouakchott information et Sahara Medias. A security source quoted by Algeria’s El Watan newspaper quoted the same figure.

    “A second person, a British national, died in the terrorist attack carried out early on Wednesday morning in Tigantourine,” the APS news agency said, citing local officials.

    Six other people have been wounded.

    Prime Minister David Cameron will chair a meeting of the Government’s crisis committee Cobra on the incident later on Wednesday.


  25. 25 | January 16, 2013 12:01 pm

    I understand O is on right now, gutting the 2nd like a fish.


  26. Moe Katz
    26 | January 16, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    “In perspective” means not labeling as antisemitic everyone who takes a more dovish line than the current Israeli coalition. Otherwise, at least a third of Israel’s Jews are, by definition, antisemites.

    By the way, CW, “Jews” and its variants are spelled with initial capital, unless one is posting on Stormfront. Sorry, but I used to edit for food, and I can’t let something like that go by.


  27. waldensianspirit
    27 | January 16, 2013 12:07 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    everyone who takes a more dovish line than the current Israeli coalition.

    How do you move the goal post so far without ripping up the turf?


  28. heysoos
    28 | January 16, 2013 12:09 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    I understand O is on right now, gutting the 2nd like a fish.

    let him, it’s just tightening the noose further…I think he’s in for a lot of blowback


  29. Moe Katz
    29 | January 16, 2013 12:09 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    ????


  30. lobo91
    30 | January 16, 2013 12:09 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    I understand O is on right now, gutting the 2nd like a fish.

    Yes, he is.


  31. waldensianspirit
    31 | January 16, 2013 12:11 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    ????

    ????????


  32. 32 | January 16, 2013 12:11 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Otherwise, at least a third of Israel’s Jews are, by definition, antisemites.

    From what I have seen from some of those Jews on the left, it fits. Like on a news program a couple years ago covering the huge protest being led by Palestine House here in Toronto they interviewed one of the marchers and he started off by saying “I am Jewish, and I don’t support Israel’s attacks”. The same protest had flags from Hezzbollah flying, people carrying pictures of the Ayatollah Khomeni, and lots of other overt cases of anti-semitism.

    Sometimes if the shoe fits.


  33. buzzsawmonkey
    33 | January 16, 2013 12:12 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    everyone who takes a more dovish line than the current Israeli coalition.

    Everyone who takes a more dovish line than the current Israeli coalition is working for the destruction of Israel, whether knowingly or not. “The current Israeli coalition” is being slagged as “hard-line” merely for refusing to roll over and die like nice little ghetto Jewboys.


  34. Doppelganger
    34 | January 16, 2013 12:13 pm

    MAKE MURDERING CHILDREN ILLEGAL

    NOW

    I demand it


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    35 | January 16, 2013 12:14 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Otherwise, at least a third of Israel’s Jews are, by definition, antisemites.

    Yes? Your point?


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | January 16, 2013 12:16 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    By the way, CW, “Jews” and its variants are spelled with initial capital, unless one is posting on Stormfront. Sorry, but I used to edit for food, and I can’t let something like that go by.

    you are barking up the wrong tree.

    this isnt stormfront nor am i anti-jewish. those who know me know that my pro-israel pro-jewish bona fides are rock solid not only in words but in action.


  37. 37 | January 16, 2013 12:16 pm

    The EOs are just a pile of horseshit. Nothing real about them.


  38. coldwarrior
    38 | January 16, 2013 12:19 pm

    Germany’s central bank is set to reclaim some of its vast gold reserves held in the US and France, a German daily reported. The move follows an audit criticizing Bundesbank for mismanagement, stating the funds had never been “verified physically.”

    Bundesbank voiced plans to withdraw its entire 450-ton store of gold bullion from the Bank of France in Paris, and a portion of the 1,500 tons currently held by the New York Federal Reserve, Handelsblatt reported.

    The German government refrained from commenting on the reports ahead of its presentation of a new plan for the management of its gold reserves on Wednesday. Germany boasts the world’s second-largest bullion reserves at 270,000 gold bars ($177.5 billion), second only to the US.

    interesting move.


  39. waldensianspirit
    39 | January 16, 2013 12:19 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    The EOs are just a pile of horseshit. Nothing real about them.

    Biden would like to see them activated.

    /He may be President yet!


  40. citizen_q
    40 | January 16, 2013 12:20 pm

    O/T Comrade zero has made excersizing your rights under the 2nd Amendment a medical issue as one of this EOs

    Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns

    PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO PROTECT THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES FROM GUN VIOLENCE: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands.

    Protect the rights of health care providers to talk to their patients about gun safety: Doctors and other health care providers also need to be able to ask about firearms in their patients’ homes and safe storage of those firearms, especially if their patients show signs of certain mental illnesses or if they have a young child or mentally ill family member at home. Some have incorrectly claimed that language in the Affordable Care Act prohibits doctors from asking their patients about guns and gun safety. Medical groups also continue to fight against state laws attempting to ban doctors from asking these questions. The Administration will issue guidance clarifying that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit or otherwise regulate communication between doctors and patients, including about firearms

    .


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | January 16, 2013 12:21 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    The EOs are just a pile of horseshit. Nothing real about them.

    i couldn’t bring myself to watch it. anything serious or is this all fluff


  42. buzzsawmonkey
    42 | January 16, 2013 12:21 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Biden would like to see them activated.

    /He may be President yet!

    Frankly, were Obama to be impeached—he won’t be, but I can dream—Biden should be impeached with him for aiding and abetting Obama’s various powergrabs.

    Of course, “President Boehner” is not something to really dream about…


  43. 43 | January 16, 2013 12:22 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Good! I don’t think anything is going to get passed the Legislature. I don’t think. It’ll be a near thing in the Senate, but I don’t think Reid can get 60 votes to move anything forward.


  44. 44 | January 16, 2013 12:23 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    If my doctor asks me any questions like this, I’ll find another doctor.


  45. citizen_q
    45 | January 16, 2013 12:25 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    As an aside, I bet these EOs will give any gun owner pause in considering any kind of mental health services or counselling.


  46. 46 | January 16, 2013 12:25 pm

    Here’s the list of EOs. So far it looks like fluff, but I haven’t finished reading through it.


  47. AZfederalist
    47 | January 16, 2013 12:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Long Island school goes into panic lockdown over Nerf gun.

    Good grief! I like the link’s suggestion regarding universal firearms safety training. If kids can be taught to put condoms on cucumbers, they can be taught to identify firearms and basic safety training. After all, if it saves just one child’s life, it is worth it, right?


  48. buzzsawmonkey
    48 | January 16, 2013 12:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If my doctor asks me any questions like this, I’ll find another doctor.

    It’s part of using “health issues” to control the citizenry and to trump constitutional freedoms.

    From banning pre-1985 children’s books for “health reasons” to confiscating guns for “health reasons.”


  49. Moe Katz
    49 | January 16, 2013 12:26 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Then spell Jewish with a cap. What are you trying to prove?


  50. citizen_q
    50 | January 16, 2013 12:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I will have to have another talk about this with my wife. I will have to figure out how to instruct her, to avoid the question – ignore it, or simply lie knowing this is not a medical but a political question.


  51. heysoos
    51 | January 16, 2013 12:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Here’s the list of EOs. So far it looks like fluff, but I haven’t finished reading through it.

    all blather that could have figured out by a high school student….stuff like hire armed guards…duh


  52. lobo91
    52 | January 16, 2013 12:29 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Long Island school goes into panic lockdown over Nerf gun.
    Good grief! I like the link’s suggestion regarding universal firearms safety training. If kids can be taught to put condoms on cucumbers, they can be taught to identify firearms and basic safety training. After all, if it saves just one child’s life, it is worth it, right?

    Fortunately, that one’s easy to implement. The NRA already has the best firearms safety program for children there is in the Eddie Eagle campaign.

    Somehow, though, I doubt that’s what they have in mind.


  53. Moe Katz
    53 | January 16, 2013 12:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    Otherwise, at least a third of Israel’s Jews are, by definition, antisemites.
    Yes? Your point?

    Exactly my point. A skewed perspective, disorientation as to where the center of the spectrum lies.


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | January 16, 2013 12:30 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Then spell Jewish with a cap. What are you trying to prove?

    not trying to prove anything. and trust me, if i dont like a group i come out and say it straight, not play games like selective formatting.

    i pretty much dont cap anything. its a habit from using secure telex machines back in the day, everything was capped.

    so excuse me if my formatting does not meet your standards.


  55. Moe Katz
    55 | January 16, 2013 12:30 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    “Jew” is capped unless the writer is either an antisemite, illiterate, or both. Which are you?


  56. 56 | January 16, 2013 12:31 pm

    @ heysoos:

    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

    That’s the only one I worry about. Could Holder just decide an individual is “dangerous” and forbid them weapons? Say, someon ewho was a Conservative? There’s a lot of room for slippery interpretation there.


  57. heysoos
    57 | January 16, 2013 12:32 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    “Jew” is capped unless the writer is either an antisemite, illiterate, or both. Which are you?

    wtf?…that’s not cool amigo


  58. lobo91
    58 | January 16, 2013 12:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
    That’s the only one I worry about. Could Holder just decide an individual is “dangerous” and forbid them weapons? Say, someon ewho was a Conservative? There’s a lot of room for slippery interpretation there.

    I suspect that the intention on that one is to include everyone who’s on a “no fly” or “terrorist watch” list into the NICS database as prohibited purchasers.

    That’s one that has to be opposed, because there’s no way for a person to appeal a rejection, since the reason they’re on the list is secret.


  59. coldwarrior
    59 | January 16, 2013 12:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Here’s the list of EOs. So far it looks like fluff, but I haven’t finished reading through it.

    issuing memorandae and starting a national dialogue?

    yeah…ok. see prof lott for our side of the dialogue.


  60. buzzsawmonkey
    60 | January 16, 2013 12:35 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Exactly my point. A skewed perspective, disorientation as to where the center of the spectrum lies.

    You seem to be laboring under the delusion that 1/3 of Israel’s Jews cannot, by some definitional process known only to you, be antisemites. Well, why not? Many Israelis are wholly secular. They are Jews by ethnicity (an ethnicity determined by religious law), but they do not accept the strictures of the religion even though their own ethnicity depends on it. There is certainly Biblical precedent for this in the Prophets–but we needn’t go so far back. All we need do is look at the avid assimilation of American Jews (including Reform Jews who are no longer, in the main, even halachically Jewish). Or we can look at former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Olmert, who stated that he wants people in Israel to be Israelis, not Jews, and that “Israelis are tired of being heroic.”

    There are many Jews in Israel who are antisemites. There are also many Jews in Israel who are infected with the mental disease of Leftism, who believe that if they cut their own throats their enemies will embrace them after they’ve bled enough.


  61. heysoos
    61 | January 16, 2013 12:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
    That’s the only one I worry about. Could Holder just decide an individual is “dangerous” and forbid them weapons? Say, someon ewho was a Conservative? There’s a lot of room for slippery interpretation there.

    I think the people are getting fed up…apparently, mag caps and assault weapons get kicked back to congress…I’ll bet BO got a call from S Martinez…woman, Latina, governor and CC advocate…it all adds up


  62. 62 | January 16, 2013 12:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    The EOs are just a pile of horseshit. Nothing real about them.
    i couldn’t bring myself to watch it. anything serious or is this all fluff

    Essentially all fluff. O leading from behind again, while he urges congress to stick their collective dicks in the sausage grinder.


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | January 16, 2013 12:36 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    “Jew” is capped unless the writer is either an antisemite, illiterate, or both. Which are you?

    i guess illiterate. odd, i swore i could read just a few minutes ago.


  64. waldensianspirit
    64 | January 16, 2013 12:36 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    Place two bricks on either side of your stupid hardon and slammit

    /doctor’s cure


  65. Moe Katz
    65 | January 16, 2013 12:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    they do not accept the strictures of the religion even though their own ethnicity depends on it.

    Only as long as the orthodox call the shots as to “who is a Jew.”


  66. 66 | January 16, 2013 12:37 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    My personal favorite:

    Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

    You mean like they were doing before FAST AND FURIOUS when you directed them not to?

    And my second:

    Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

    Hey dumbo – there’s an organization already doing that task for you. Maybe you’ve heard of it. It’s called the National
    Rifle Association.


  67. coldwarrior
    67 | January 16, 2013 12:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
    That’s the only one I worry about. Could Holder just decide an individual is “dangerous” and forbid them weapons? Say, someon ewho was a Conservative? There’s a lot of room for slippery interpretation there.

    yeah…who is dangerous?


  68. AZfederalist
    68 | January 16, 2013 12:38 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Fortunately, that one’s easy to implement. The NRA already has the best firearms safety program for children there is in the Eddie Eagle campaign..

    Yep, that’s a good start I do think that more detailed identification and basic principles should be taught as well to higher grade levels.


  69. lobo91
    69 | January 16, 2013 12:38 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

    If the feds actually start prosecuting criminals for violating gun laws, that would be a good start.

    There’s already a 5 year federal prison term on the books for a felon who simply touches a gun. It’s almost never used, though.


  70. waldensianspirit
    70 | January 16, 2013 12:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    yeah…who is dangerous?

    Wingnuts has the word nuts in it for a reason


  71. lobo91
    71 | January 16, 2013 12:39 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I thought that’s what I was already doing for a living…


  72. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | January 16, 2013 12:39 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Only as long as the orthodox call the shots as to “who is a Jew.”

    Yes? Go on.


  73. 73 | January 16, 2013 12:39 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    What the hell is wrong with the block quote????


  74. coldwarrior
    74 | January 16, 2013 12:40 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    @ Carolina Girl:

    and a dialogue requires two sides. i am so sure that 0 will include prof lott, the nra, and gun owners in this exercise.


  75. lobo91
    75 | January 16, 2013 12:40 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Fortunately, that one’s easy to implement. The NRA already has the best firearms safety program for children there is in the Eddie Eagle campaign..
    Yep, that’s a good start I do think that more detailed identification and basic principles should be taught as well to higher grade levels.

    Of course. The Eddie Eagle program is designed for small children.


  76. Moe Katz
    76 | January 16, 2013 12:40 pm

    I’m outta here for today, this group and I have had our fill of one another for now.


  77. lobo91
    77 | January 16, 2013 12:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    and a dialogue requires two sides. i am so sure that 0 will include prof lott, the nra, and gun owners in this exercise.

    I’m sure they’ll include the full range of viewpoints, from X to Z…


  78. Moe Katz
    78 | January 16, 2013 12:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    Only as long as the orthodox call the shots as to “who is a Jew.”
    Yes? Go on.

    Laws can be changed. Other definitions of “who is a Jew” can be entertained.


  79. 79 | January 16, 2013 12:42 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I’ve been fielding some emails from folks in my office since these came down. I’m not fooled. He’s waiting to see what happens in 2014. If he keeps the Democrat Senate, he’s home free. His plan is to demonize the NRA and gun owners and whine that if only he had a Democratic HOUSE he could make America safer from those eeeeebil gun peoples and jump start the economy (which should be esconced in the toilet bowl by then).


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | January 16, 2013 12:42 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    yeah…who is dangerous?
    Wingnuts has the word nuts in it for a reason

    undefined adjectives like ‘dangerous’ are problematic when making policy. the lack of the definition then usually leaves it up to a bureaucrat to define. and that usually does not go very well.


  81. 81 | January 16, 2013 12:42 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I learned today that there are twenty Senate Democrats up for re-election. I am sure some of them are safe seats, but I know some of them are not. The last thing that those people are going to want to do is make a tough vote on a divisive issue. I bet Reid can’t get the 60 votes to move forward when Feinstein’s bill is presented.


  82. waldensianspirit
    82 | January 16, 2013 12:43 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    I’m outta here for today, this group and I have had our fill of one another for now.

    Bricks are cheap


  83. coldwarrior
    83 | January 16, 2013 12:43 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    I’m outta here for today, this group and I have had our fill of one another for now.

    see ya! hockey starts next week!

    hooooray, eh?


  84. 84 | January 16, 2013 12:43 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    NRA has already fired the warning shot:

    The National Rifle Association cast its opposition to Obama’s plans as “the fight of the century” in a letter circulated at the 35th annual Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show and Conference, known in the trade as “the SHOT show,” in Las Vegas.

    “I warned you this day was coming and now it’s here,” Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s fiery executive vice president, wrote in a fund-raising letter to the group’s 4 million members. “It’s not about protecting your children. It’s not about stopping crime. It’s about banning your guns … PERIOD!”

    The letter reflected the NRA’s tough, no-holds-barred campaign against tighter restrictions on weapons and echoed a sharp video released by the group that calls Obama an “elitist hypocrite” for having the Secret Service protect his two daughters at school while saying that he is “skeptical” about armed guards in all schools.


  85. lobo91
    85 | January 16, 2013 12:45 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I’m almost certain that that particular one is code for incorporating the “watch lists” used by TSA and the NCTC into the NICS database.

    That’s something the Dems have been pushing for awhile now.


  86. coldwarrior
    86 | January 16, 2013 12:45 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    His plan is to demonize the NRA and gun owners and whine that if only he had a Democratic HOUSE he could make America safer from those eeeeebil gun peoples and jump start the economy (which should be esconced in the toilet bowl by then).

    could be a plan.

    or even he is smart enough to realize that gun laws will get his party decapitated again. the dems learned this well. don’t mess with the guns lest you get eviscerated in the election.


  87. waldensianspirit
    87 | January 16, 2013 12:45 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Obama grabbed a tiger by the tail!


  88. Da_Beerfreak
    88 | January 16, 2013 12:46 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    “In perspective” means not labeling as antisemitic everyone who takes a more dovish line than the current Israeli coalition. Otherwise, at least a third of Israel’s Jews are, by definition, antisemites.

    By the way, CW, “Jews” and its variants are spelled with initial capital, unless one is posting on Stormfront. Sorry, but I used to edit for food, and I can’t let something like that go by.

    In case you haven’t noticed CW is “Capitalization challenged”. :wink:


  89. coldwarrior
    89 | January 16, 2013 12:46 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I learned today that there are twenty Senate Democrats up for re-election. I am sure some of them are safe seats, but I know some of them are not. The last thing that those people are going to want to do is make a tough vote on a divisive issue. I bet Reid can’t get the 60 votes to move forward when Feinstein’s bill is presented.

    why give a republican party that is in disarray any help.


  90. 90 | January 16, 2013 12:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    There’s already a 5 year federal prison term on the books for a felon who simply touches a gun. It’s almost never used, though.

    I have a problem with that, though. If a guy’s paid his debt to society and isn’t a threat to the community, I don’t care what he did ten or fifteen years ago. OTOH, if you know he is a threat to the community, why are you letting him out of jail in the first place? Background checks may not be entirely useless, but I doubt that they make any real difference in crime. Dangerous people will find a way to be dangerous. Lock up the people who are a real threat to the community the first time they comitt an armed robbery or assault, and you won’ thave to worry about them getting a gun.


  91. AZfederalist
    91 | January 16, 2013 12:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’m sure they’ll include the full range of viewpoints, from X to Z…

    I’m thinking full range from A to D: A: Abuse gun owners and supporters
    B: Ban
    C: Confiscate
    D: Destroy


  92. coldwarrior
    92 | January 16, 2013 12:48 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    In case you haven’t noticed CW is “Capitalization challenged”. :wink:

    i believe that all letters are equal!

    capitalized letters, capitalists…oh yes…caps are a tool of the man to keep other letters down!

    :lol:


  93. taxfreekiller
    93 | January 16, 2013 12:48 pm

    Obama drew a pair of 4′s asked for three cards got a 5, 10, and 3 from the dealer, so he raised by “I’ll do EO’s on gun laws”.

    We the People joined the NRA at around a 350,000 month average.

    Gun’s and ammo flew off shelves like the Russians had landed and were headed inland.

    Now BO has had his silly bluff called, We the People have a stright flush ready in hand if he thinks we are bluffing.

    Piss poor bluff O’hole, show your cards and shut the f’up.


  94. waldensianspirit
    94 | January 16, 2013 12:48 pm

    :mrgreen:


  95. 95 | January 16, 2013 12:48 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    There are times, though, when their liberal theology overrides their grip on reality. In turn, if I’m the GOP, I start campaigning NOW about how NONE of these measures will make a single person safer in that it does nothing about guns obtained illegally for use in crimes.
    What it does do is burden and punish those who have done nothing wrong.


  96. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | January 16, 2013 12:49 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Laws can be changed. Other definitions of “who is a Jew” can be entertained.

    Please elucidate.

    Israel has criteria for accepting people under the Law of Return who are not Jews under halacha. But if someone is not a Jew under halacha, that person is not a Jew.

    If you disagree—and you clearly do—kindly state, straight out, what criteria you support/believe in/would set for “being a Jew,” and on what basis you would propose to slough and replace the criteria that have defined Jews since Biblical times.

    Straight out statemets: no hinting, sentence fragments, or mushmouthing.


  97. coldwarrior
    97 | January 16, 2013 12:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    there ya go talkin sense again.


  98. coldwarrior
    98 | January 16, 2013 12:50 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    There are times, though, when their liberal theology overrides their grip on reality. In turn, if I’m the GOP, I start campaigning NOW about how NONE of these measures will make a single person safer in that it does nothing about guns obtained illegally for use in crimes.
    What it does do is burden and punish those who have done nothing wrong.

    this fight will never be over. ever. it waxes and wains form one side to the other.


  99. 99 | January 16, 2013 12:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yeah, Obama isn’t a masterful poitician. He’s gotten as far as he has based mostly on the break he gets from his race. Everywhere he goes, people make exceptions for him. He’s never actually had to produce anything in his life. Did you know he’s going to miss filing his budget again this year? No real surprise now. No budget in what, going on four years? And Obama’s worried about guns? Instapundit has this egged as a distraction from Obama’s very real deficit problem. That may be so, but we still have to forcefully counter every move in this direction. Previous compromises have been proven to be a mistake. I am glad theat the NRA is taking no prisoners on this one.


  100. coldwarrior
    100 | January 16, 2013 12:51 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I’m sure they’ll include the full range of viewpoints, from X to Z…

    I’m thinking full range from A to D: A: Abuse gun owners and supporters
    B: Ban
    C: Confiscate
    D: Destroy

    alinsky tactics then act. this has just started. this fight will never be over


  101. taxfreekiller
    101 | January 16, 2013 12:52 pm

    So, these 20 million illegals.

    I will guarantee every last one of their fake ID’s will pass a gun buy.

    They work with fake ID’s, they pay Federal Taxes with fake ID’s, hell they have Union Work Records on fake ID’s.

    The Fed’s can’t find their collevtive ass’s with every last over paid hand they got.


  102. coldwarrior
    102 | January 16, 2013 12:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    And Obama’s worried about guns? Instapundit has this egged as a distraction from Obama’s very real deficit problem.

    i said that from day one. this is a shiny object, although we have to assume it isnt and that he is serious


  103. lobo91
    103 | January 16, 2013 12:53 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The issue there isn’t someone who spent a year in prison for tax evasion 15 years ago, though. The majority of crimes are committed by a relatively small number of repeat offenders. There are people who literally spend their entire adult lives either in prison or on parole, going back and forth.

    Despite the confusion of the NY Times, there actually is a good reason that crime has gone down over the past 20 years. It’s because we locked up a lot of the career criminals.

    Prosecutions are way down under Obama, though, probably because the majority of the offenders are other than white males.


  104. coldwarrior
    104 | January 16, 2013 12:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    He’s gotten as far as he has based mostly on the break he gets from his race. Everywhere he goes, people make exceptions for him. He’s never actually had to produce anything in his life.

    no doubt about that. he is the culmination of the racial hire. he is perfect in that respect. i used to see it in business all the time. fortunately now i dont see it in the medical field because this field is a serious meritocracy.


  105. taxfreekiller
    105 | January 16, 2013 12:55 pm

    Too,

    On what the Fed’s can not find.

    “Richard Windsors” e-mails.

    http://www.wattsupwiththat.com


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | January 16, 2013 12:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ coldwarrior:

    Colin Powell’s now on your trail because you both said “shuck and jive” in more highfalutin words…


  107. heysoos
    107 | January 16, 2013 12:58 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    There are times, though, when their liberal theology overrides their grip on reality. In turn, if I’m the GOP, I start campaigning NOW about how NONE of these measures will make a single person safer in that it does nothing about guns obtained illegally for use in crimes.
    What it does do is burden and punish those who have done nothing wrong.

    bomb them with facts and stats…I keep waiting but see much bombing, have to wake people up that are ambivalent


  108. 108 | January 16, 2013 12:58 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    “Jew” is capped unless the writer is either an antisemite, illiterate, or both. Which are you?

    This is the intertubes, spelling and capitalization are optional, being an anally retentive asshole is as well, but neither are actually required.


  109. buzzsawmonkey
    109 | January 16, 2013 1:00 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    It is interesting to see “Moe Katz” get all pissy about capitalizing “Jew,” while apparently supporting the idea of totally rewriting what a Jew is and how a Jew is defined.


  110. coldwarrior
    110 | January 16, 2013 1:00 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Colin Powell’s now on your trail because you both said “shuck and jive” in more highfalutin words…

    colon blow – race detective!


  111. coldwarrior
    111 | January 16, 2013 1:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Colin Powell’s now on your trail because you both said “shuck and jive” in more highfalutin words…

    i’d like to say far worse, but this is civil discourse.


  112. coldwarrior
    112 | January 16, 2013 1:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    bomb them with facts and stats…I keep waiting but see much bombing, have to wake people up that are ambivalent

    long is the struggle, hard the fight.


  113. 113 | January 16, 2013 1:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    It is interesting to see “Moe Katz” get all pissy about capitalizing “Jew,” while apparently supporting the idea of totally rewriting what a Jew is and how a Jew is defined.

    I’m not Jewish (See Moe I capitalized it) so I don’t even pretend to understand. But I have been online since before the Internet even existed (A lot longer I might add) and complaining that someone doesn’t capitalize or spell or use correct punctuation on the internet is about as pedantic as on can get. To the often used phrases of Spelling Nazi or Grammar Nazi I guess we now need to add the term, Capitalization Nazi.


  114. 114 | January 16, 2013 1:09 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    When everyone is a racist, no one is a racist. I haven’t heard Colin Powell condem Jamie Foxx’s little racially incitful flick. I guess it’s OK to be joyous over killing white people.


  115. heysoos
    115 | January 16, 2013 1:09 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    bomb them with facts and stats…I keep waiting but see much bombing, have to wake people up that are ambivalent
    long is the struggle, hard the fight.

    I’d like to see more, consistent pressure to exploit this powder puff EO crap…it’s a can’t lose opportunity, but I’m not holding my breath


  116. lobo91
    116 | January 16, 2013 1:10 pm

    The idea of letting the ATF include people who are on the “terrorist watch list” or “no fly list” as prohibited purchasers is truly frightening.

    For one thing, it’s going to thoroughly screw up the background check system, because those lists don’t include identifying information. They’re just lists of names. If there’s a guy name Bob Smith on one of them, any other Bob Smith in the US is going to be rejected when he tries to buy a gun.

    The truly evil part of it, though, is the fact that they can literally put anyone they want on those lists, and you can’t effectively appeal it, because they won’t tell you why you’re on the list.

    Someone at ATF could get ahold of the NRA’s membership list and just put every member on the terrorist watch list if they wanted to.


  117. unclassifiable
    117 | January 16, 2013 1:10 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I answered my cardiologist when he was checking for swollen ankles last year and felt my holster.


  118. 118 | January 16, 2013 1:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    Biden would like to see them activated.
    /He may be President yet!
    Frankly, were Obama to be impeached—he won’t be, but I can dream—Biden should be impeached with him for aiding and abetting Obama’s various powergrabs.
    Of course, “President Boehner” is not something to really dream about…

    Of course he won’t be impeached even though he dearly deserves it. That pretty much what my latest very sardonic blog post is about by the way.

    President Obama to be arrested and Impeached.


  119. coldwarrior
    119 | January 16, 2013 1:13 pm

    Rand Paul on Gun Control Executive Order: Obama is Not ‘King’

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA3jwOFjHhw


  120. AZfederalist
    120 | January 16, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    :-) Comment of the day


  121. coldwarrior
    121 | January 16, 2013 1:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Someone at ATF could get ahold of the NRA’s membership list and just put every member on the terrorist watch list if they wanted to.

    and at that point congress will have no choice but to stop funding the program or stop funding atf.


  122. coldwarrior
    122 | January 16, 2013 1:15 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    I answered my cardiologist when he was checking for swollen ankles last year and felt my holster.

    :lol:

    is that edema or are ya just happy to see me?


  123. lobo91
    123 | January 16, 2013 1:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Someone at ATF could get ahold of the NRA’s membership list and just put every member on the terrorist watch list if they wanted to.
    and at that point congress will have no choice but to stop funding the program or stop funding atf.

    Too bad Obama has unilaterally assumed the authority to borrow and spend money…


  124. coldwarrior
    124 | January 16, 2013 1:19 pm

    here’s this bad idea again:

    He’s seeking more than $1 billion a year in new revenue to fund projects designed to fund public transit and highway operations, reduce MBTA debt and borrow money to double infrastructure spending. Beacon Hill leaders reportedly signaled agreement.

    Boston.com reports legislative leaders agree more money is needed to build up the state’s transportation system, and that they are willing to discuss new taxes. Massachusetts has avoided raising the gas tax since 1991.

    According to Boston.com, Patrick listed possible revenue sources including:

    Raising the gas tax from 21 cents to 51 cents per gallon
    Raising the sales tax from 6.25 percent to 7.75 percent
    Raising the state income tax to 5.66 percent from 5.25 percent
    Levying a vehicle miles-traveled tax at 2.4 cents per mile
    New, emissions-based vehicle title and registration fees could raise $175 million
    A payroll tax on workers in regions with transit service could raise $140 million to $207 million


  125. coldwarrior
    125 | January 16, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ lobo91:

    true, i never thought i would see a government entity (congress) willingly give up power.

    its an unnatural act!


  126. lobo91
    126 | January 16, 2013 1:21 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    true, i never thought i would see a government entity (congress) willingly give up power.
    its an unnatural act!

    The Dem leadership in the House actually sent him a letter asking him to do it.


  127. waldensianspirit
    127 | January 16, 2013 1:22 pm

    Takes a massive kick back. Follow the money


  128. lobo91
    128 | January 16, 2013 1:24 pm

    Here we go again…

    Dem Rep. Hank Johnson Plays Race Card On The NRA: “They Still Cannot Get Over” That Obama Is “Black”…

    Representative Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) said that the National Rifle Association (NRA) opposed President Barack Obama’s gun control plans because the group “still cannot get over” the fact that the president is “black.”

    Following a Capitol Hill press conference on Wednesday, Rep. Johnson suggested that NRA opposition to Obama’s gun control policies was personal. CNSNews.com then asked Johnson, “You said just a minute ago that part of the NRA’s true colors was a personal dislike of the president. Why do you think that is?”

    Rep. Johnson said, “First of all, he is a black. And as a black person being the president of the United States, that is something they still cannot get over.”


  129. Speranza
    129 | January 16, 2013 1:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Colon Bowel is a racist punk and a damned Marxist useless imbecile.

    I hate him.

    I ain’t a fan of his either or of his puppet master Mr. Obama.


  130. heysoos
    130 | January 16, 2013 1:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Here we go again…
    Dem Rep. Hank Johnson Plays Race Card On The NRA: “They Still Cannot Get Over” That Obama Is “Black”…
    Representative Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) said that the National Rifle Association (NRA) opposed President Barack Obama’s gun control plans because the group “still cannot get over” the fact that the president is “black.”
    Following a Capitol Hill press conference on Wednesday, Rep. Johnson suggested that NRA opposition to Obama’s gun control policies was personal. CNSNews.com then asked Johnson, “You said just a minute ago that part of the NRA’s true colors was a personal dislike of the president. Why do you think that is?”
    Rep. Johnson said, “First of all, he is a black. And as a black person being the president of the United States, that is something they still cannot get over.”

    BWAHAHA!..he’s white! and BO cannot get over that


  131. coldwarrior
    131 | January 16, 2013 1:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    i dont care if i am called a racists anymore. that term has lost any meaning.


  132. Speranza
    132 | January 16, 2013 1:29 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Then spell Jewish with a cap. What are you trying to prove?

    CW is against using capital letters. I don’t read anything into it.


  133. unclassifiable
    133 | January 16, 2013 1:32 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    mOe,

    i’M a jAva pRogrammer aNd i cAmel cAse eVerything iN mY jOb.

    cOntext mAn, cOntext.


  134. lobo91
    134 | January 16, 2013 1:36 pm

    Second Republican Considers Impeaching Obama…

    A second House Republican has suggested impeaching President Barack Obama, saying “all options should be on the table” in an interview posted Wednesday.

    “It’s just one of those times in our history,” said Rep. Trey Radel (R-Fla.) said in an interview with the Florida political blog “The Shark Tank.” “We’re at this kind of breaking point.”

    Radel was asked about Obama’s use of executive orders to bypass an often intractable Congress. The administration has identified 19 executive orders it may issue to crack down on gun violence. Most of the orders focus on stricter enforcement of existing laws or on improving communication between federal agencies and states.

    “And to be bipartisan for a second, the thing that I would stress to Democrats and Republicans: Let’s say you’re a big fan of President Obama, and you support everything that he’s doing and you don’t mind these executive orders and you want an executive order to ban guns and take guns away, to raise the debt ceiling with unlimited amounts of spending or ignore laws,” said Radel, who replaced former Rep. Connie Mack in the House. “What I would say to Democrats who are friends with President Obama right now is, ask yourself, what are you going to do when a Republican gets in, and you may not agree with or like very much, and begins doing the same thing?”


  135. unclassifiable
    135 | January 16, 2013 1:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hank cannot get over that Obama is white.


  136. The Osprey
    136 | January 16, 2013 1:37 pm

    All this talk about who is or isn’t a Jew is making me hungry for a good corn beef on rye bread sandwich. :lol:


  137. 137 | January 16, 2013 1:37 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The interesting thing is of all the organizations they thought to take one, there isn’t one more in-your-face than the NRA – it does not roll over and play dead because they get bad press. They effed with the wrong amendment this time.

    I think Uncle Ted should hold a presser tomorrow. He can surround himself with children saved by adults protecting their homes from the bad guys (who I am sure even now are quaking in their boots over the weight of the 23 Executive Strongly Worded Letters).


  138. citizen_q
    138 | January 16, 2013 1:37 pm

    @ unclassifiable:
    @ coldwarrior:
    LOL!


  139. coldwarrior
    139 | January 16, 2013 1:38 pm

    @ lobo91:

    if they didnt go after f n f or benghazi, why do it now? i just dont see this getting anywhere yet.


  140. 140 | January 16, 2013 1:38 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    My doctor asks me if I own guns, I’ll answer that that’s only relevant if he suspects I’m afflicted with lead poisoning.


  141. citizen_q
    141 | January 16, 2013 1:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    i dont care if i am called a racists anymore. that term has lost any meaning.

    Welcome into the pool, the water’s fine.


  142. unclassifiable
    142 | January 16, 2013 1:39 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I’d say GMTA think alike but the way my mind is working right now I’ll settle for mean SOBs think alike.


  143. coldwarrior
    143 | January 16, 2013 1:40 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    All this talk about who is or isn’t a Jew is making me hungry for a good corn beef on rye bread sandwich.

    i’m thinkin a run to the jewish deli in squirrel hill…yummers!


  144. buzzsawmonkey
    144 | January 16, 2013 1:41 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Hey, CG! New ballad link @ the top of the thread.


  145. coldwarrior
    145 | January 16, 2013 1:41 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    My doctor asks me if I own guns, I’ll answer that that’s only relevant if he suspects I’m afflicted with lead poisoning.

    ask him if he’s like you drum up some business for him.

    :lol:

    seriously, most docs dont want anything to do with this


  146. citizen_q
    146 | January 16, 2013 1:42 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    My doctor asks me if I own guns, I’ll answer that that’s only relevant if he suspects I’m afflicted with lead poisoning.

    Exactly, it is irrelevant.

    I will, discuss with my wife to ignore, obfuscate, lie.

    It is nobody’s business but mine how I do or don’t excersize any of my civil rights.


  147. coldwarrior
    147 | January 16, 2013 1:43 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    i dont care if i am called a racists anymore. that term has lost any meaning.

    Welcome into the pool, the water’s fine.

    obama and his crew have beat it out of me. i just dont care anymore. if i am a racist, so what.


  148. lobo91
    148 | January 16, 2013 1:43 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I’d just hand him a business card and say “What do you think?”

    I gave the vet one of Leia’s business cards. She showed it to everyone else at the clinic.


  149. coldwarrior
    149 | January 16, 2013 1:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’d just hand him a business card and say “What do you think?”

    well, yeah!


  150. citizen_q
    150 | January 16, 2013 1:46 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    seriously, most docs dont want anything to do with this

    That is what I am hoping.

    Most of my physicians seem busy enough without being the grabbermint’s informer, but members of my local shooting blog have reported them or their kids being asked.


  151. lobo91
    151 | January 16, 2013 1:46 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Leia is probably the only Sheltie in town who has business cards.


  152. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | January 16, 2013 1:47 pm

    It is interesting to see that the formerly-loquacious “Moe Katz,” when asked in effect to put up or shut up in #96, has …shut up.


  153. 153 | January 16, 2013 1:47 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I hope ol’ Hank is keeping a weathered eye on the status and shifting of personnel on Guam.

    BTW Hank — there are Black people (GASP!) that are members of the NRA.


  154. coldwarrior
    154 | January 16, 2013 1:48 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    but members of my local shooting blog have reported them or their kids being asked.

    then it is time to have a serious conversation with these pediatricians. they can lose business over this


  155. coldwarrior
    155 | January 16, 2013 1:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Leia is probably the only Sheltie in town who has business cards.

    the star of the sales force had better have a card!


  156. coldwarrior
    156 | January 16, 2013 1:49 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I hope ol’ Hank is keeping a weathered eye on the status and shifting of personnel on Guam.
    BTW Hank — there are Black people (GASP!) that are members of the NRA.

    oh snap! was that him?

    :lol:


  157. lobo91
    157 | January 16, 2013 1:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    oh snap! was that him?

    Yup. One of the leading minds of the House Dems.


  158. 158 | January 16, 2013 1:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yeah, Colon Bowell – and “ROOTS” really happened juuuust the way Alex Haley said it did – right down to not a decent white person in the bunch.


  159. citizen_q
    159 | January 16, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I worked for Xerox for a short-time back in the 80′s to help work my way through school, I still remember in my training how they wnated us to refer to copies as photo-copies, not Xerox’es because they could lose their trademark if the term Xerox became a synonym for photo-copy. They are over using the racism charge, same principal.


  160. The Osprey
    160 | January 16, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    It depends where you are. When I lived in NorCal the Palo Alto Medical Center gave me a health questionnaire that asked if I had firearms in the home. Here in AZ it’s never come up. Except for my chiropractor. He always wants to tell me about whatever new gun he has just bought.


  161. 161 | January 16, 2013 1:52 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Would be nice if that no-balled Speaker of the House came out against it as swell.


  162. coldwarrior
    162 | January 16, 2013 1:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    oh snap! was that him?
    Yup. One of the leading minds of the House Dems.

    perfect!


  163. taxfreekiller
    163 | January 16, 2013 1:55 pm

    So, from the list today.

    B. Todd Jones, current acting director of the ATF and also the U.S. Atty. for Minnesota. Has been from Aug. 31, 2012.

    What is knows and when he knew it will be redacted post hast regarding Fast and Furious.

    One thing sure, no one works for this con man commie puck thug from Chicago unless they are a yes person 100%.


  164. coldwarrior
    164 | January 16, 2013 1:55 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    yep, desensitized to the word.


  165. coldwarrior
    165 | January 16, 2013 1:56 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Would be nice if that no-balled Speaker of the House came out against it as swell.

    he has got to go, i mean really, if we are going to lose on a national level, lets go big!


  166. citizen_q
    166 | January 16, 2013 1:57 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    but members of my local shooting blog have reported them or their kids being asked.

    then it is time to have a serious conversation with these pediatricians. they can lose business over this

    Think of what this will mean for mental health professionals. The way I read the EOs, and current climate visiting one could be a minefield.


  167. 167 | January 16, 2013 1:57 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Here’s the list of EOs. So far it looks like fluff, but I haven’t finished reading through it.

    It’s much ado about nothing.


  168. buzzsawmonkey
    168 | January 16, 2013 1:57 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    and “ROOTS” really happened juuuust the way Alex Haley said it did

    “Roots” was Alex Haley’s great work of plagiarism. His great work of fiction was “The Autobiography of Malcolm X.”


  169. lobo91
    169 | January 16, 2013 1:58 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    One thing sure, no one works for this con man commie puck thug from Chicago unless they are a yes person 100%.

    He’s a long-time associate of Eric Holder.

    And of course he’s black. Not that I care, but it means that nobody will be allowed to ask any questions about him without being called racist.


  170. buzzsawmonkey
    170 | January 16, 2013 1:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    It’s much ado about nothing.

    Not entirely; the pushing for “health-related” measures as pertains to guns would be worrying even if Obamacare did not exist; with Obamacare, it is cause for much watchfulness.


  171. lobo91
    171 | January 16, 2013 1:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Here’s the list of EOs. So far it looks like fluff, but I haven’t finished reading through it.
    It’s much ado about nothing.

    Number 13 isn’t.


  172. heysoos
    172 | January 16, 2013 2:03 pm

    BO is my most admired role model…therefor I will obey only the laws that I see fit and ignore the rest….thanks Barry!


  173. citizen_q
    173 | January 16, 2013 2:06 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    It depends where you are. When I lived in NorCal the Palo Alto Medical Center gave me a health questionnaire that asked if I had firearms in the home. Here in AZ it’s never come up. Except for my chiropractor. He always wants to tell me about whatever new gun he has just bought.

    I have heard a few reports from members of my local gun blog.

    I have not been asked, and lord knows I have seen several physicians in the last few years, so it may be as practice specific as geographic.


  174. coldwarrior
    174 | January 16, 2013 2:08 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    “Roots” was Alex Haley’s great work of plagiarism.

    really? do tell!


  175. heysoos
    175 | January 16, 2013 2:09 pm

    I guess I’ll just have to wait and read the language to see the logic between a doctors visit and gun ownership…I’m sure it will make sense, I’m just too dull witted


  176. buzzsawmonkey
    176 | January 16, 2013 2:11 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    really? do tell!

    After “Roots” came out, it was revealed that he’d cribbed large parts of it from another novel, called “The African.” Wiki covers it pretty extensively.


  177. coldwarrior
    177 | January 16, 2013 2:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    After “Roots” came out, it was revealed that he’d cribbed large parts of it from another novel, called “The African.” Wiki covers it pretty extensively.

    ah! see, i learned something today.

    and a day where one does not learn something is like a day without sunshine.


  178. 178 | January 16, 2013 2:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    What’s Number 13, I didn’t hear that one? Is it the one that’s health related?


  179. heysoos
    179 | January 16, 2013 2:15 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    After “Roots” came out, it was revealed that he’d cribbed large parts of it from another novel, called “The African.” Wiki covers it pretty extensively.
    ah! see, i learned something today.
    and a day where one does not learn something is like a day without sunshine.

    how cool is that!….I just learned why people in Seattle are so stupid!…thanks bro


  180. 180 | January 16, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It calls for “vigorous” enforcement of existing laws. When the Democrats say things like that, they see the Waco Massacre as a model, not a mistake. Lobo’s right. It is troubling.


  181. citizen_q
    181 | January 16, 2013 2:18 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I guess I’ll just have to wait and read the language to see the logic between a doctors visit and gun ownership…I’m sure it will make sense, I’m just too dull witted

    The way I see their approach is pretty much anything could be twisted into impacting your health, thus they can use access to healthcare to punish behaviours our betters in the grabbermint don’t like.


  182. darkwords
    182 | January 16, 2013 2:19 pm

    @ 49 Moe Katz: It’s the internet. If you want to make the educational point of spelling jewish versus Jewish just saying it is so because you are an editor? that is just a logical error. I’d have to see the actual story.

    Adding the stormfront slant seems to say that you think you are talking to stormfront here on this blog? Or you are trying to raise a word boundary on what is a slur to you and what isn’t and advocating an implied emotional context that is yours mostly.

    I have no problem capping the word. But j versus J means nothing to me. I sometimes write america but I mean AMerica. It’s the internet.


  183. lobo91
    183 | January 16, 2013 2:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    What’s Number 13, I didn’t hear that one? Is it the one that’s health related?

    Sorry…#4, not #13.

    They want to add new criteria for prohibitng people from buying guns, which probably means adding the names from the no fly list and terrorist watch lists.


  184. coldwarrior
    184 | January 16, 2013 2:20 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    how cool is that!….I just learned why people in Seattle are so stupid!…thanks bro

    see how that works!


  185. 185 | January 16, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They want to add new criteria for prohibitng people from buying guns, which probably means adding the names from the no fly list and terrorist watch lists.

    That’s scary actually, it creates the groundwork for a national gun owner database down the road.


  186. buzzsawmonkey
    186 | January 16, 2013 2:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They want to add new criteria for prohibitng people from buying guns, which probably means adding the names from the no fly list and terrorist watch lists.

    Women can’t buy guns unless they wear pants?


  187. Da_Beerfreak
    187 | January 16, 2013 2:22 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    The interesting thing is of all the organizations they thought to take one, there isn’t one more in-your-face than the NRA — it does not roll over and play dead because they get bad press. They effed with the wrong amendment this time.

    I think Uncle Ted should hold a presser tomorrow. He can surround himself with children saved by adults protecting their homes from the bad guys (who I am sure even now are quaking in their boots over the weight of the 23 Executive Strongly Worded Letters).

    The NRA is just starting to get warmed up… :twisted:
    Jay Carney: NRA Ad “Repugnant And Cowardly”
    The NRA hit the bullseye with their new add…


  188. darkwords
    188 | January 16, 2013 2:24 pm

    @ 181 citizen_q: i find it odd that the dentist wants to check for cancer. I always consider it ludicrousness. But I suppose it saves some people.

    Who trains these doctors then on gun safety? It still does noting to solve the deeper mental health issue. I’m ok if the family removes the guns from the mentally ill person. But they also have to remove the baseball bat and the knives. That is just a start.

    This is just passing on the cost to the family also with no real support.

    The doctor is going to annotate this in the medical record? The medical record is going to be filed and cross indexed to a criminal database? The IRS is going to flag the returns if the proper behavior doesn’t occur?

    Or what if I joke to my doctor in all seriousness that I have a machine gun at home. Does the TSA show up at my doorstop and tell me it’s not nice to prank the government and in fact its a felony with penalities?


  189. 189 | January 16, 2013 2:25 pm

    New Thread.


  190. unclassifiable
    190 | January 16, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hey look at that.

    No EOs on media, entertainment, or video games.

    Well at least we now know Barry is for the all for First Amendment.

    In that spirit let me say that Barry you are a fascist POS.


  191. 191 | January 16, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The evidence of copying from The African in both the novel and the television dramatization of Roots is clear and irrefutable. The copying is significant and extensive … Roots … plainly uses The African as a model: as something to be copied at some times, and at other times to be modified, but always it seems, to be consulted … Roots takes from The African phrases, situations, ideas, aspects of style and plot. Roots finds in The African essential elements for its depiction of such things as a slave’s thoughts of escape, the psychology of an old slave, the habits of mind of the hero, and the whole sense of life on an infamous slave ship. Such things are the life of a novel; and when they appear in Roots, they are the life of someone else’s novel

    I thought this charming:

    After a five-week trial in the federal district court, Courlander and Haley settled the case with a financial settlement and a statement that “Alex Haley acknowledges and regrets that various materials from The African by Harold Courlander found their way into his book Roots.”

    Like the passages were just wandering around like the homeless and jumped into Haley’s typewriter when he wasn’t looking.


  192. heysoos
    192 | January 16, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    I read that brazen BS and laughed out loud…that guy say the stupidest stuff ever


  193. darkwords
    193 | January 16, 2013 2:26 pm

    I think the state of Israel needs to provide Jewish people worldwide a chance to visibly offer a simple show of support.

    One that declares the State of Israel as supported. One that requires the supporter to recognize the right to exist as Israel. One that requires the support to disapprove of the Hamas charter. One that puts some common sense in peoples minds.


  194. taxfreekiller
    194 | January 16, 2013 2:27 pm

    How many jobs in a black market gun mang. and sales operation has Obama just created?


  195. buzzsawmonkey
    195 | January 16, 2013 2:30 pm

    I thought magazines were protected under the First Amendment…

    Hey, that’s the ticket! Firing bullets is a form of free speech!


  196. darkwords
    196 | January 16, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ 96 buzzsawmonkey: People think I am Jewish because of my name and the way I look. The state of Israel doesn’t count me as Jewish though I think. Born and raised a Methodist. I’ve been called a dirty Jew Bastard several times by black people who would rather take drugs than pay their rent. But I hold them to a sense of responsibility without trying to screw their lives over because they are ignorant in their anger.

    All in all. I think any one who is an actual good guy in the world supports Israel. It’s the bad guys who vocalize against Jewish who are the really bad guys in the world. Really bad. Colin Powell in his position should be clear as to where he stands. To me he is not being clear. Polarize it. Make him say it.


  197. unclassifiable
    197 | January 16, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I like to think of guns as mechanical engineering works of art.

    The boldness of lines combined with the virile completeness of form evoke a feeling of saftey and security in the 1911 .45 ACP within me.

    I have to stop writing now as I am now overcome with emotion.


  198. buzzsawmonkey
    198 | January 16, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Lots of people have a Jew or two lurking somewhere in the family tree; there was lots of conversion—unforced as well as forced—in Europe over the centuries, and some intermarriage. And lots of people take German/Eastern European-sounding names as “Jewish”; though I knew some people who were most definitely Catholic, their last name was Zimmerman, just as the “white Hispanic’s” name is.


  199. lobo91
    199 | January 16, 2013 2:41 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I like to think of guns as mechanical engineering works of art.
    The boldness of lines combined with the virile completeness of form evoke a feeling of saftey and security in the 1911 .45 ACP within me.
    I have to stop writing now as I am now overcome with emotion.

    You know they’re going to put your name on the list now, right?
    //


  200. Buckeye Abroad
    200 | January 16, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Dear brothers, we must not forget to nurse our children and grandchildren on hatred towards those Zionists and Jews, and all those who support them. They must be nursed on hatred. The hatred must continue.

    Because taking responsiblity for our plight and taking corrective action is just too damn hard. Better to scapegoat some unknown entity beyond our supposed control, no matter how many years have passed, for all your woes is much easier.

    I think some people really do deserve to suffer. It’s G-d’s will.


  201. Moe Katz
    201 | January 16, 2013 3:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It is interesting to see that the formerly-loquacious “Moe Katz,” when asked in effect to put up or shut up in #96, has …shut up.

    Sorry, “buzzsawmonkey,” I fell asleep under the stimulating thrall of your unparalleled chochmes. If you want to know more about the “who-is-a-Jew” debate I suggest you check the Wikipedia entry.
    I don’t feel the need to propound or defend any particular definition, my only point is that orthodox rabbinic Judaism has no exclusive claim to authority on this question, except in the eyes of those who subscribe to said flavor of Judaism. I’m not interested in falling into your trap and, besides, I don’t believe you’re capable of making an argument on this subject that doesn’t beg the question in the manner I just described.


  202. buzzsawmonkey
    202 | January 16, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Coward. All you’ve said is that you’ve got nothing, and taken far too long to say it.

    Orthodox rabbinic Judaism does have an exclusive claim to authority in this matter; it has been the exclusive authority since Biblical times. If you believe that you will be “falling into a trap” by actually putting forth some reason why you believe that millennia-old authority is not legitimate, then you are merely trolling.


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