We should pass this around…often…
Here are some thoughts from our founding fathers that might shed a little light on the gun control issue.
★ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.”
~Thomas Jefferson
★ “Those who trade liberty for security have neither.” ~ John Adams
★ Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
★ An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
★ Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
★ Gun control is not about guns; it’s about control.
★ You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
★ Know guns, know peace, know safety.
No guns, no peace, no safety.
★ You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
★ Assault is a behavior, not a device.
★ 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
★ The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.
★ The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
★ What part of ‘shall not be infringed’ do you NOT understand?
★ Guns have only two enemies; rust and politicians.
★ When you remove the people’s right to bear arms, you create slaves.
★ The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.
PLEASE PASS THIS ‘REFRESHER’ TO TEN FREE CITIZENS.
“I love this country, it’s the government I’m afraid of.”
Also see:
★ America’s Founders on the right to keep and bear arms
(h/t: Sparta)
Tags: Guns, Open thread
Great new ad from the NRA:
@ lobo91:
I saw that earlier…it says it all! The time for civility and dialogue are over, the gloves are off when it comes to dealing with these cretins that would disarm us under the guise of ‘safety’!
lobo91 wrote:
Have to say, I’ve not been real happy with the NRA in the past few years, but by lord they may have found the balls to stand up to the BS Media. I hope they keep the pressure on.
Life Member/Rifle, Pistol and Range Safety Officer certified!
lobo91 wrote:
he needs a new haircut
once conservatives realize the significance of shoes and hair, we will begin to make inroads back into power…Americans understand a sharp dressed man…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_EFdod4YDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_EFdod4YDo
fuck…
4 posts to make an insignificant post…fail
now this is not hard to figure out… http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/nationwide-ammo-shortages-police
when all the federal agencies started to order MILLIONS of rounds each I guess there is none left for the cops.
heysoos wrote:
Top ain’t insignificant
brookly red wrote:
yup, you are paying for your own demise…DHS bought all that ammo on your dime
Tanker wrote:
we parted ways when they endorsed Reid, but if the continue to stand up to O I will renew my membership
brookly red wrote:
my brain is shot, my keyboard is shot, I’m doing shots
The essentials for a sharp dressed man
heysoos wrote:
When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.
Joseph Stalin
Rumor has it that “Grant” is being nominated to head the ATF…
//
A few minutes ago on O’Reilly:
brookly red wrote:
there you have it…we already have a vast, minority population locked into the system…as govt grows, capitalists become the enemy…and voila! here we are
lobo91 wrote:
I want him to produce the 8 yr old that wrote that… does he really think anyone believes an 8 yr old wrote that
@ brookly red:
I don’t think he really gives a crap what anyone believes. He knows that anyone who questions it will be called a racist by his friends in the media, so it doesn’t matter.
@ lobo91:
good for Rubio…we need to push back with a vengeance…challenge BO to debate and when he resists call him a coward and belittle him, call him stupid, call him destructive, but call him out…every time, on every issue…gun grabbing should be easy to cut him up good…the GOP has to attack him in unison tho
I really don’t like to post anything from Infowars BUT when he is right he is right http://www.infowars.com/other-tyrants-who-have-used-children-as-props/
lobo91 wrote:
Ding Ding Ding…we have a winner!
@ Tanker:
true *sigh* we are sooo screwed
lobo91 wrote:
It’s not just the Second Amendment, Obama hates the whole damn Constitution and the freedoms it protects.
brookly red wrote:
*WASS
@ Tanker:
BO is vain, max vain…he’s in love with himself and his perceived vision…attack him..drag him down and kick him, ridicule his manhood and his inability to lead, call him a punk Chicago organizer with no talent for leading, mock his staff and his cabinet, point out hypocrisy and slam him with his own words….go on the offensive, get off you ass and play the game…seems to me the GOP doesn’t want to win and they are tossing even more votes…they better wake up to all the pissed off people…this looks very much like a last stand for the GOP…what a cool job tho, huh?…House Rep? are you kidding me?…fuck these whimps
But Marco Rubio is a (insert bad things here)
Cant’ be our spokesman!
brookly red wrote:
Deer Prezdint Obama,
Thank you for saddling me and my classmates with crippling debt that will bankrupt the country before I am old enough to work. The perpetual recession is nice, too. I like living on beans!
My name is Government Grant, and I am 8 years old
heysoos wrote:
Would be glad to have you on my 12 or 6 any day!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
makes me want to puke
Tanker wrote:
I’d give my left leg to head butt BO…he’s trash, a punk
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
PS your wife shouldn’t eat so many lobsters they make her look very big from behind.
@ brookly red:
Tea meet monitor.
That’s funny, I don’t care who your are!
@ brookly red:
her ass looks like Kansas and her shoulders like Vermont…please, spare me this attractiveness BS…and for gods sake don’t let her bite you
Tanker wrote:
??? over my head
@ heysoos:
But she has both Superbly Toned Arms™ and The Perpetual Scowl of the Incompetent Supervisor™.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Zombie Apoca-hips
Mooch the Heifer and Barry Lugs make a very nice couple…if Chicago corruption is your hobby
brookly red wrote:
Sprayed sweet southern tea on my monitor!
@ heysoos:
You are so right…Obama is nothing but a bully who has never been stood up to as he hides behind affirmative action resources, much less had his ass kicked…it is far past time to kick his sniveling ass!
heysoos wrote:
where is Elliot Ness when you need him?
brookly red wrote:
I thought the Elliot Ness Monster was just a legend…
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
whatever, she looks like some undiscovered deep water flesh eating fish to me….I can’t stand the sight of her
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
i have used that description…and have seen it first hand in some real losers who should have never been promoted to their station, racial hires mostly
heysoos wrote:
The Creature from the Black Separatist Lagoon.
heysoos wrote:
dyam now I want sushi…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
and you knock em down
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
they just call it Chicago these days…
Ulsterman Report’s Republican Insider: Obama livid over gun rights backlash.
@ lobo91:
He’s right.
The Osprey wrote:
The Osprey wrote:
I’ll bet he is…I’d like to make him even more livid…what a pussy, totally removed from reality
Rand Paul was on Hannity pointing out how Gun Control is racist.
heysoos wrote:
can i get a witness!!!
BO is like a speed bag…just find a rhythm and bang away…keep pounding til he loses it
The Osprey wrote:
good.
this ‘obc’ is very happy about that.
The Osprey wrote:
And the backlash hasn’t even started yet, what is going to be when it has, plaid?
I didn’t see anything in the 23 item list directly related to weapons that doesn’t have to go thru the leislative process, so won’t be passed.
What does churn my stomach is this deputization of medical/health care providers. Example: Your parents have been responsible gun owners all their lives. Dad begins to exhibit signs of dementia but Mom is ok. Dad’s doc goes to whatever the controlling authority is and your parents’ weapons are -- what? -- confiscated? What about Mom’s 2nd amendment rights? Now the household is absolutely defenseless.
Or, your Dad’s doc says nothing, Dad’s illness leads him to shoot the neighbor while in the throes of a paranoid break -- and what happens to the doc?
See where I’m going with this?
coldwarrior wrote:
Maybe he’ll get so worked up that he has a stroke… A body can dream can’t they…
One last post-pimp for the newest Ballad: “The Newest, Predicted, Federal, Needless Gun-Grab—Like New York.”
And, in case you missed it: “Carry Guns.”
Comments, of course, welcomed.
Oh good Hannity is talking about this now with Dr. Hammer.
doriangrey wrote:
i just want to see him lose his cool and make some more bad mistakes. coddled narcissistic racial hires are notoriously thin skinned.
doriangrey wrote:
I don’t think some sort of emotional ‘stroke’ is off the table…BO is a fragile pussy…keep hammering him and he’ll step into a huge pile of shit…his critics are growing
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Buzz… Write another one… “Carry Gun’s my westward Son” with apologizes to Kansas of course… “Carry on my wayward Son”…
coldwarrior wrote:
yup…pound him
doriangrey wrote:
so far 2 congressmen have said the I word… I think it will be more by the end of the week.
coldwarrior wrote:
Like the twat who fired me from BofA!
heysoos wrote:
Make him cry like a little girl…
@ eaglesoars:
‘patient refuses to answer’
‘patient does not know’
‘patient answers in the negative’
doriangrey wrote:
There, fixed that for ya!
brookly red wrote:
Maybe there can be a children’s book, so Congress can understand it; “Barack and the Giant Impeach.”
brookly red wrote:
Honestly I suspect it’s all bluster and bluff…
President Obama to be arrested and Impeached.
heysoos wrote:
he will take just take a few weeks of golf in Hawaii and chill out
coldwarrior wrote:
Patient asked I we had any Tapioca…
@ doriangrey:
more or less…attack him where he is most vain and hope for a big mistake…but attack
brookly red wrote:
Loves
Loves
Loves
to smack white balls around…
doriangrey wrote:
hey why not put him on the ropes and make him play defense? the worm is turning
brookly red wrote:
go ahead, that’s points against
@ buzzsawmonkey:
an article for ya buzz
@ eaglesoars:
In the Soviet Union, the Communists used doctors to declare people crazy and had them arrested. Just a thought.
coldwarrior wrote:
So civil disobedience?
Dr Hammer used the example of someone who clearly expresses the desire/intent to harm someone else and is correct that the laws already on the books give providers and affirmative obligation to report. So he basically poo-pooed the whole concern.
But I am not sanguine.
Rodan wrote:
we used to do it here… well not arrested, committed. much faster and cheaper than divorce.
eaglesoars wrote:
Does that make you a tangerine?
@ coldwarrior:
Thank you! Very interesting!
Removing “offensive” terms from books destroys historical context; makes it impossible for people to see what we’ve come from, and how far; encourages censorship and revisionism; and, of course, attacks the integrity of the author’s work.
@ eaglesoars:
guidance of the professions is up to the individual state. if 0 pushes this, the state boards push back.
coldwarrior wrote:
and can see him in a padded cell issuing executive orders all day
coldwarrior wrote:
I hope you are right, but personally I believe we are being set up for the biggest screwing in World History.
@ eaglesoars:
You can’t do anything without due process.
The libs actually assured that when they rewrote the commitment laws.
So in a way, they have hung themselves. The very effort to get the insane “their rights” will undermine this legislation.
Done.
Oh and my new greeting…
F*ck Obama!
doriangrey wrote:
a blood orange
unclassifiable wrote:
And a lovely F*ck Obama! day to you too…
by one twist of logic or another, we are all felons, brigands, and pirates now…I’ve not felt so invigorated in years
@ coldwarrior:
Control of the language is the first play of the liberal handbook.
FO
unclassifiable wrote:
Tell it to Nakoula Basseley Nakoula
heysoos wrote:
i have to wear an eye patch for 2 more days!
arrrrrrrr!!!! ahoy matey!
heysoos wrote:
So does that make us all Australians now?
unclassifiable wrote:
You first.
@ doriangrey:
Why thank you good sir.
FO
doriangrey wrote:
that is exactly what obamacare is.
coldwarrior wrote:
ROTFLMAO…. Sorry, just remembering Puti calling you a Pirate on her birthday…
doriangrey wrote:
I do too…the feds are just too much, all bravado aside…these guys know how to follow you and take care of business
eaglesoars wrote:
I’m still not entirely convinced that he wasn’t paid by the government to produce the damn video in the first place, and that his “arrest” was done to spirit him away from possible scrutiny/questioning. The Obama, Hillary, and the rest were too much on top of that obscure and amateurish video to not make me wonder.
@ eaglesoars:
I’m using a different connotation of the most flexible word in the English language. It does not convey intercourse.
FO
unclassifiable wrote:
It was indeed a righteous FO day out here, why thank you sir…
doriangrey wrote:
yep. thats me till staurday
@ heysoos:
long is the struggle, hard the fight.
coldwarrior wrote:
Daddy’s a pirate, daddy’s a pirate…
(Wonder where she got that idea… 
)
@ eaglesoars:
Oh but he’s not crazy.
But your point is well taken. I’m afraid he put himself in that position with the parole terms.
FO
coldwarrior wrote:
No. that is the tip of the iceberg… if we are disarmed we will have bigger problems than obamacare
doriangrey wrote:
The Last Saskatchewan Pirate.
brookly red wrote:
Yup, if the Obamanation Administration succeeds in disarming American Citizen, Obamacare will be the least of our worries.
Full disclosure.
I have just begun my drinking (wine).
If you kind folks will alert me if I am out of control for your sensibilities I would be much obliged since I can hold no enmity which such an esteemed group of patriots.
FO
@ brookly red:
@ doriangrey:
its all part of the same ball of horribleness.
unclassifiable wrote:
Hmmm, Isn’t coldwarrior holding a beer summit of something tonight???
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
That is I think, quite possible. It supports my working hypothesis that Chris Stevens was set up. Benghazi was a gun running operation on the order of Fast & Furious. Why did he have to meet the Turkish ambassador there instead of Tripoli? About what?
Arm Al Queda, disarm Americans. Perfect.
doriangrey wrote:
i am discussing the finer points with the irish delegation right now.
We have a commander in chief who has admitted that the story of his life is fabricated yet the media is all over a Mormon kid who plays football at a Catholic school who got his wires crossed with some help from a few of his team mates.
FO
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
arrrrr!
coldwarrior wrote:
Bill Ayer’s (Prairie Fires) 25 million Americans eliminated, who refuse to become Marxists is where this is all leading.
eaglesoars wrote:
something rotten in libya fer sure
@ coldwarrior:
I’m here what’s to discuss?
There is Guinness.
There is all the other crap.
Any questions?
FO
coldwarrior wrote:
Yer all bastages, every sodden one of ya’s…
eaglesoars wrote:
I said he was set up the day it happened… I got laughed at. Glad to see reasonable people are coming around.
unclassifiable wrote:
Really? Ask yourself this: Why would he violate those conditions for a crappy video and 8 year old would be embarrassed to show?
- he expected nothing more than a slap on the wrist, which in a case like his is the norm
- he had been given assurances
doriangrey wrote:
throw some agenda 21 in the pot, now we are getting somewhere
doriangrey wrote:
aye!
@ unclassifiable:
OK there’s Bushmills.
Finish your Guinness and we can start on that.
FO
‘Nite, folks.
unclassifiable wrote:
murphy’s…
brookly red wrote:
I wasn’t THAT fast -- it took me about 3 days to establish a timeline I thought was reasonable -- then I knew.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
‘nite to the Balladeer!
doriangrey wrote:
and that is where an all volunteer military comes in…
@ brookly red:
I call it Обамаград….
@ eaglesoars:
Oh I’m not discounting the setup aspect.
But did he have to make the deal and why?
He’ll be dead before he talks.
My guess is that he’ll be far away before that.
FO
kick your ass…
@ coldwarrior:
Where? In your basement?
FO
eaglesoars wrote:
motive + opportunity = suspect.
@ heysoos:
If you ask me, I think he’s not a pussy, but a catamite….
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Would a ‘negro’ in Germany be an African-German?
Would a white person in Africa be a European-African?
unclassifiable wrote:
right now, yep.
i’m replanning the layout of the bar and reflecting on competing designs whilst partaking in cork’s own stout.
doriangrey wrote:
Country Cop refuses to enforce unconstitutional gun laws,Chicago Cops threaten to shoot anyone with a gun in thier hand. Philly cops suck, too.
No wonder city folks do not cooperate with police.
@ mfhorn:
‘Negro’ -- Untermensch.
eaglesoars wrote:
The fact that Stevens was in Benghazi raised all kinds of flags with me.
Usually when all hell breaks loose you are either at the main embassy or getting the heck out — not at some 3rd rate diplomatic post.
unclassifiable wrote:
Coptic Christian. Any family in Egypt under threat from MB?
I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
eaglesoars wrote:
..or the doc does what they did in the old days; tell the relatives the diagnosis and say, as my Gradfather said when one of his neighbors was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s, “If you have any firearms in the house, you need to get shut of them”. Relatives then took care of the issue. No government intervention, all good Texan farmer common sense.
oh yes they are, they are.
@ unclassifiable:
Bushmill’s, Black Bush, Bushmill’s Honey Irish, Tullamore Dew, Kilbeggan’s…
unclassifiable wrote:
Even that was a facade.
It was a CIA outpost.
@ coldwarrior:
My God my Dad’s side of the family emigrated from Cork.
Finish one off for me.
Actually I am quaffing some “The Prisoner” 2009.
FO
unclassifiable wrote:
gospel. the LAST place you want your ambassador was in that rat trap…unless you wanted him dead.
AZfederalist wrote:
Precisely. When my mother’s dementia became obvious, the rifle was unloaded, ammo and handguns were put in the safe which Mom was no longer capable of opening.
cheap vodka and Gatoraid.we are the champions, my friend
unclassifiable wrote:
i have some sam smith’s for later this weekend.
@ coldwarrior:
In the videos, the ‘Muslim Patrol’ is heard to say, “Alcohol banned. This is a Muslim area. Muslims patrol the area.”
Pee on a mosque? Christen it with a bottle of cheap booze? And how long before they demand bacon & ham be removed from grocery stores in the area?
@ mfhorn:
Oh holy crap I’m such an amateur.
I bow before you collective knowledge — simpleton that I am.
FO
@ eaglesoars:
You nailed it! It was to arm the Al Qaeda in Syria.
hello, hello?
heysoos wrote:
there is much to be said for ‘inexpensive vodka’.
sobieski, luksusowa vodka, and wyborowa should never be passed up
mfhorn wrote:
only a matter of time
@ eaglesoars:
So Obama is funneling hush money to the MB under Egyptian assistance to the tune of a few billion dollars which is an oxymoron on several levels.
A billion is not a few of anything.
FO
@ eaglesoars:
I thought that outpost was about a mile away from there.
FO
coldwarrior wrote:
called it the day it happened… rule of thumb: if obama is in charge it is not incompetence it is agenda.
@ heysoos:
I’m working on it.
FO
@ brookly red:
rodan can attest that i called bullshit on this on day one as well (worked embassy and diplomatic security for 4 years). we had a phone conversation about it. this whole thing stinks
@ Rodan:
Actually I understood that they were taking Libyan weapons and the locals got PO’ed. One thing I read stated something like 20K SAMs.
I think I’d be PO’ed too.
FO
unclassifiable wrote:
both I think. I saw a layout. Let me see if I can find it.
@ coldwarrior:
I like the pale ale.
gibsonz wrote:
I posted a comment to that effect on another forum and was greeted with a reply from a leftie troll who accused me of not being able to get over the fact that a nonwhite is in the white house.
Put it this way…I didn’t start out being all that prejudiced but I’ve gotten to the point where all I see when I look at a person is: “Did that person vote for democrats and thereby help to ruin what’s left of my life?” Given that I work in a store in a ghetto neighborhood, that’s a big temptation to the sin of despair.
@ unclassifiable:
Oh and I forgot…
F*ck Obama
heysoos wrote:
Lose the gatorade. Just the vodka. No ice.
dig this…one of the great live solos ever
these guys were amazing
coldwarrior wrote:
I didn’t call BS, I said set up but questioned what the motive could be… stupid me, I was thinking profit when it was islam all along.
@ unclassifiable:
Hamas had Nato weapons. Gee I wonder how they got there!
I’m heavily into the blues…but I’m not a rodger…I bow you all..
but I can’t help myself
coldwarrior wrote:
For anybody who doesn’t know what Agenda 21 is…
One of their tenets is to cut back the worldwide population to 1 billion.
Okay, THEY can volunteer to die first.
McCain is a foreign agent.
John McCain supports more aid for Muslim Brotherhood Egypt
coldwarrior wrote:
Something stinks alright, but trying to tie Nakoula Basseley Nakoula into it is a stretch.
Rule one of every Covert Operation: Keep it as simple as possible because anything that can possibly go wrong will go wrong.
Nakoula Basseley Nakoula was a convenient scapegoat, nothing more.
Ambassador Stevens was
a) supplying Syrian insurgents with small arms.
b) attempting to recover American made Stinger missiles
c) suppose to be kidnapped so that he could be traded for the Blind Sheik. He was not suppose to get killed.
@ mfhorn:
@ coldwarrior:
To be frank my Dad’s side of the family is from Cork but America is my mother and father country.
I dropped the hyphenated stuff when I woke up to the reality that is the IRA.
FO
eaglesoars wrote:
here.
@ Rodan:
Muslim outreach and student exchange program?
FO
unclassifiable wrote:
They were Stingers, also known as Manpad’s, and closer to 200.
@ doriangrey:
Many of them ended up in Gaza. I saw Hamas fighters with NATO weapons.
unclassifiable wrote:
ex wife is from kinsale.
coldwarrior wrote:
The struggle against evil will last until Judgment Day.
We don’t get to take a rest.
eaglesoars wrote:
With a red-hot radioactive chainsaw.
brookly red wrote:
There’s a pretty good book on that called “Soviet Psychoprisons.”
You always have to be careful about making sure there is due process.
You don’t want people having a harmless and innocent relative committed in order to gain control over that person’s property, or over their offspring.
Rodan wrote:
what a turd.
Rodan wrote:
And they are being used right this second in Syria, which the Russian are rather pissed off about I might add.
Rodan wrote:
The proper word is “traitor.”
doriangrey wrote:
That sums it up pretty well.
Macker wrote:
That’s also what they thought of Slavs (and what they still think of us).
@ eaglesoars:
Well that don’t look like a mile away unless your jogging the perimeter trying to avoid “stuff”.
This thing seems like it has already been catboxed.
Hillary is going to have something else come up — manufactured appearance of the Clenis in something not Hillary is my guess since he has been off the leash the whole time anyway.
FO
doriangrey wrote:
WAY too convenient. How did a movie no one ever heard of get made/blamed?
I don’t believe in coincidence when it comes to this admin. Especially when Hillary lies to Wood’s father WHILE standing by his coffins telling him they were going to arrest the filmmaker. When she knew the whole thing was a lie.
unclassifiable wrote:
There was another facility about a mile away
eaglesoars wrote:
The movie was made almost a year before. You are ascribing to the Obamanation Administration a degree of advanced planning that they have shown no evidence of.
eaglesoars wrote:
they managed to find a fig leaf
@ doriangrey:
Here’s a picture of Hizballah fighters.
Does that Uniform look familiar?
Rodan wrote:
nice kevlars
@ coldwarrior:
See my link in 191, Does that Uniform the Hezzies have remind you of any?
@ coldwarrior:
I wonder where they got it?
Rodan wrote:
Not saying it does, but I have an old 90′s Marine Corps Blouse in my closet that could be swapped out without anyone knowing the difference.
doriangrey wrote:
How did they find it? Keep in mind that what Obama wanted to roll out today was developed by DOJ in 2011 and held in a drawer until after the election. Sandy Hook was a gift.
Now -- did they intend to use the film for what they ended up using it for? Maybe not -- but they had that arrow in the quiver if they needed it.
coldwarrior wrote:
Yup, that’s exactly what he was. A convenient distraction to muddle the waters. No special op’s team would ever agree to engage in an operation with that many operational variables. When covert ops go bad, people die. Thus the number one rule, keep them as simple as humanly possible.
The problem in Benghazi was… That nobody read Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty into the part about Ambassador Stevens being intentionally kidnapped. They rushed in all gunge-ho and screwed up Obama and Clinton’s plan.
eaglesoars wrote:
Believe me when I tell you this. Langley knows what every single video put on youtube is.
The whole thing about the Arab Spring is why?
Destabilization is provocation is cover?
But unlike all of the chaffe they have thrown domestically to hide their Cloward-Piven strategy domestically, this stuff does not have an easily identifiable end game.
Knocking off Israel (despite the prevailing sentiments on this blog) is fairly small potatoes for this gang. Something else is up. Particularly when we seem to be going head to head with Russia again in Syria.
unclassifiable wrote:
Think “Long Game” and Crude Oil”…
doriangrey wrote:
I find that plausible.
I should hope so.
Why did Clapper, the DNI take the fall? (I mean I know he is utterly useless and I suspect that’s why he’s useful……)
eaglesoars wrote:
Misdirection.
doriangrey wrote:
Whenever any covert operation goes bad, the first thing that the agency involved does… Is to begin the misdirection campaign. Make people look in the wrong places for the wrong answers as to what was going on.
@ doriangrey:
Dorian its always about Oil. Hell you couldn’t get every chip manufacturer and cement maker in the world to take sand from the damn place even if they were paying them to. Oil is the only thing and everyone has known that for about 70 years.
No this is about global political alignment. There are 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world and they are starting to feel they could be a Caliphate if they could just get past their sectarianism. Think about that. It is China except they have been in some kind of battle the whole damn time.
doriangrey wrote:
Thought so.
Joe Scarborough is on Charlie Rose saying it’s no longer safe to send our kids to school, the mall, etc., and Sandy Hook was the last straw.
Guess what Joe -- it’s not people like me that’s making those venues unsafe. It’s the criminals who don’t give a monkey’s butt about your laws. That’s why they’re criminals.
@ unclassifiable:
Black Bush is aged in sherry casks. Nice amber color, fuller flavor. Honey Irish is very good & smooth. Tullamore is even smoother, very light. Let’s see… there’s also Knappogue Castle, Tyrconnel, John Powers, Red Breast, Feckin’, Brennan’s, Jameson, Green Spot & Midleton’s. Midleton is VERY expensive- never tried it. I’ve had at least a little of all of those except the Green Spot.
Black Bush, Tullamore & the Bushmill’s Honey are my favorites.
unclassifiable wrote:
It’s a long game chess game. China needs oil, needs it bad or their economy goes key-blooy. Destabilizing the Middle East puts a world of hurt on the Chinese plans for regional dominance. Take a careful look at which countries are being destabilized. It isn’t the ones supplying the US with oil.
The Russians are playing along with this game because, well, they don’t particularly like the Chinese. Iran, Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda (yes they are one and the same) are fighting over who will lead the new Islamic Caliphate.
In the mean time, who is getting hurt. China.
@ mfhorn:
Thank you very much for the recommendation. I have a pretty good liquor store in town. I’ll cut and paste your recommendations and see if I can pick something up for the games on Sunday.
Folks, the night is winding down for me. I am but a humble programmer trying to make sense of all of this madness. My fellow Americans (the liberals) are lost and adrift of a sea of troubles. They know not where they are being lead and are only just beginning to realize their impending seasickness which will leave them retching at the rails.
And we here are desperately looking for a calm bay to settle our ship of state. Despite the invective (which is a normal sailors wrath) we too are in the boat and are simply looking for good anchorage for all.
And um,
F*ck Obama!
doriangrey wrote:
There is something to what you say. But do we really want a destabilized China? Look at their demographics. The male-to-female ratio is appalling and I have not read one analysis that says anything but that it’s a recipe for military adventurism in order to vent the social steam.
doriangrey wrote:
I appreciate your world view… it is actually a world view.
@ doriangrey:
Is China going to stand around while the oil rich countries jack them around?
I always go back and think about how many young Chinese men they have aged 25 and younger, of prime fighting age and disciplined.
@ eaglesoars:
Word!
You said that much better than I.
hey ya’ll
good thread tonight
btw
my beer tonight is lagunitas IPA
tasty
eaglesoars wrote:
We don’t want a destabilized anything, but if the Chinese decide to hold the “Million Man Booty Run” we don’t have much to fear… heck we could air lift them a million welfare chicks as part of debt “service” and it’s a win-win in my opinion.
brookly red wrote:
well it would be cheaper than giving them California…
Calo wrote:
Thank you dear, but I didn’t say it -- I just read other people who have.
I’ve worked with people from mainland China. Most are ok -- but there have been a few whose paranoia runs deep and true. Kind of like when we started getting refugees from the Soviet Union before the wall came down and they didn’t trust anyone with a window office.
brookly red wrote:
that would take carew of New york, but why stop there?
chicago, atlanta,…etc many lib cities could help with this effort
brookly red wrote:
Oh hell, give ‘em California already. I’m sick of that place. We have to get dorian out first tho.
You’re in NYC. I assume you’ve read about the Chinese anchor baby hotels they’re starting to close down?
Now THAT is a ‘long game’ play……
rain of lead wrote:
well I did intend that a a rude joke, but now that you mention it this could work… I mean we got over 2 million husbands/baby daddies in the lock-up for serious time and that is a freebie to the GFs/wives to collect welfare… hey you want free phone? you assemble phone
eaglesoars wrote:
read the Art of War… it is for real.
@ brookly red:
1. Women
2 ?
3. Profit!
rain of lead wrote:
I have just invested in a company that makes blond hair dye… and with that I say good night.
@ eaglesoars:
China doesn’t really have anywhere to vent, they are basically boxed in. They do not have a deep water Navy, and pretty much everyone wants to keep it that way. They can provide their citizens with electricity via coal or hydro-electric, but they need oil for a deep water Navy, and nuclear power is as yet out of their reach for Navel vessels.
@ brookly red:
Thank you, I try to keep abreast of what is going on in the world. While doing it I also make every attempt to remember, that in that great big world out there, everyone else (for the most part) feels as patriotic about their own country as most conservatives here feel about America. What is in their best interests isn’t necessarily what is in America’s best interests.
@ Calo:
Keep in mind that the Chinese attempted to crash the American Economy back in September of 2007. What China wants is pretty much irrelevant at this point. The folks at Foggy Bottom and Langley have never ever been known to let things like that go without a serious response.
The Chinese are in a box tactically and strategically speaking. Surrounding by the Himalayas on one side, Siberia on the other and India, their only outward expansion route is into the South China Sea and the Pacific Ocean after that, BUT China has no deep water Navy. YET…
Combine the Quantitative Easing that the Fed has been doing with the instability of their Middle Eastern oil supply and China is getting a world of hurt thrown down on them.
By the way, if you don’t understand what Quantitative Easing is doing to the Chinese economy, think of it like this. America borrowed 1 trillion dollars from China, then the Fed deflated our currency 100 to 1, meaning that… For every 100 dollars China lent us, they will now get paid back 1 dollar.
brookly red wrote:
Ok, now that’s just MEAN! Why would you assume I haven’t read such a classic?
I’m hurt. Deeply.
doriangrey wrote:
Have you read what’s going on with the 5 Gorges Dam? It’s sides are collapsing. They built it on an accelerated (unrealistic) schedule and didn’t let the cement cure apparently. Basically, their infrastructure is shoddy before it comes online. These people are in deep trouble and I scoff whenever I hear crappola about GASP! -- THE TIGER!
I saw apiece in the WSJ the other day -- on a scale of 1 -- 500 the air pollution in one city was over 700.
Which is why they’re buying gold.
eaglesoars wrote:
That, I’m afraid was enviro-Nazi propaganda. Beijing has always had that problem, has to do with the Himalayas and the Gobi desert. Monsoonal winds pile up against the Himalayas and get forced back towards Beijing via the Gobi where they pick up fine dust and sand.
The Chinese have been planting trees like crazy for the last 30 or 40 years in an attempt to defuse those winds and force them to drop the dust and sand before they get to Beijing. Their efforts have been pretty successful in that now they only have a hand full of really bad air quality days each year in Beijing where as before they had month and month of those really bad air quality days.
@ eaglesoars:
I heard the report about the chinese air pollution
the most air polluted city in america is about 150/160
theirs is at over 700
like being an instant 3pack a day smoker
eaglesoars wrote:
Yup,heard about that, knew it was going to happen even before I heard about it. I’ve done concrete work before and I knew they were going way to fast.
@ doriangrey:
ahhh, I did not know that
/
Johnny Carson off
@ doriangrey:
Actually, that reminds me of So Cal.
@ eaglesoars:
I remember a story on BBC radio last year where the Chinese were all pissed off at our embassy in Beijing for posting air pollution figures on their website.
It seems that the numbers they post don’t match the official Chinese figures (big surprise).
doriangrey wrote:
To be fair, my attention was not what it could have been and I only skimmed the article -- it may have mentioned that (Molly was vomiting blood and I kinda lost it)
@ doriangrey:
I want no part of anything built by the Chinese. When I was in Saudi Arabia, we stayed in a building for a few days that was about 6 weeks old and had been built by Chinese contractors.
There was a big floor-to-ceiling crack in the center of the building from where it was settling, the light switches would spark when you turned them on, and the A/C units all dripped water inside.
I doubt that building is still standing.
lobo91 wrote:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH…. Sucks to be Chinese…
@ lobo91:
hey lobo
with all the gun crazy going on, has you’re shooting classes increased
are you getting some ka-ching? even just a little?
eaglesoars wrote:
Here is a good piece that seems to cover all aspects of the issue.
And it’s my bedtime.
nite all.
@ rain of lead:
Heh, he posted some stats that showed about a 700% increase from Sept to December.
4
@ eaglesoars:
And, one more down.
Night eaglesoars. Sleep well.
lobo91 wrote:
not to mention their dog food.
rain of lead wrote:
Some days are better than others, but yeah.
eaglesoars wrote:
that too
a little smooth wind it down for the day mellow out so to be able to sleep music
@ lobo91:
good
having money come in is good to lower BP
Gates of Vienna: dead link
I’m watching last year’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. Guns ‘n’ Roses minus Axl Rose really isn’t worth watching.
This year should be good. Heart and Rush are both being inducted, finally.
Maybe they’ll get around to Foreigner and Boston someday.
Zimriel wrote:
Please, please help. We’ve been removed from Blogger. No message why.
@ Moe Katz: Google has crappy support on things like this. You want to spread the risk around and buy a $5 per month wordpress site, attach a wordpress.com site to it. Then write about blogger.
@ darkwords:
What is gates of vienna?
is that a blog that has been disamapearred?
Calo wrote:
Yup.
Let’s see…it’s an anti-jihad site on Blogspot, which is owned by Google. Google has a history of caving in to demands by totalitarians.
I’m guessing that some poor Muslim complained that his “prophet” was being insulted, so Google took the site down.
Calo wrote:
Anit-Islam blog. Involved in a lot of BlogWarz.
@ lobo91:
@ Mike C.:
Obviously, I don’t get around much.
Thank you.
Calo wrote:
There are times when I really wish that I lived in the Harlan County, Kentucky of Justified.
When people irritate you, you can shoot them in the head.
@ lobo91:
With the current ammo shortage, there probably isn’t enough to shoot everyone at Google who needs it.
@ lobo91:
You know, I feel the same way most days, metaphorically, of course.
Calo wrote:
It’s usually metaphorical for me, too.
But not always.
@ lobo91:
There are some on this blog who would drag out their best ammo, in your honor, if you ever suggested Foreigner or Boston should be in the Hall of Fame.
Calo wrote:
Fortunately, they’re a minority.
Plus, there’s the fact that Abba is in there. Pretty much ends that discussion.
@ 249 Calo:
Yah old blog friend of LGF. A little more odd than here. Harder hitting against islam.
@ lobo91:
I might have to call you an ankle biter for bringing up Abba tonight.
@ Calo:
Hell, Tom Scholz of Boston should be in there just for the electronics he’s invented for the music industry.
Calo wrote:
I didn’t vote them in.
@ lobo91:
Let’s pick on darkwoods instead, he seems easy.
@ darkwords:
LOL
Well, seeing mostly a whole lot of nothing from yesterday’s Big Deal presser with the EOs. I rather imagine that that “leadership from behind” killed any chance of any Dem congress critters up for re-election in 2014 from wanting to fall on their swords. Only those in the very safest districts/states will be voting “yea” on anything gun related.
hmmmm….
@ coldwarrior:
versus
or
or.
for fun.
and they put on a great show the other night:
Humpf…
As “Uncle” Dave Macon said about Earl, “He can play the banjer, but he ain’t one bit funny!”
Too old-timey, eh? Okay, one of my modern favorites. The composition, the overall sound, the lyrics…
Rock music for thinking people…
OTOH, there are those times when one must drop the Tull, drop the Bach, and let one’s “inner redneck” out to party…
Now that’s what I’m talking about…
@ eaglesoars:
It’s the criminals we let walk over the border and the ones we catch and turn right around and release.