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Fitch may downgrade U.S. credit rating

by Rodan ( 144 Comments › )
Filed under Business, Debt, Economy, unemployment at January 16th, 2013 - 7:00 am

These are the glory days of the Progressive movement. They have control of every facet of American life. Obama gets whatever he wants and does as he pleases. He has become a god-king to many Americans and acts like a 3rd World dictator. The media publishes daily stories about how strong the US economy is and that these are the greatest economic times in this nation’s history. Statistics of long term unemployment being at it’s highest levels since WWII get no play in the media. Reality is not playing along with the Progressive fairy tale.

The credit rating agency Fitch is now warning that it may downgrade the America’s credit rating. They cite our dysfunctional political system, deficit and debt as the reasons.

LONDON (AP) — The United States could lose its top credit rating for the second time from a leading credit agency if there’s a delay in raising the country’s debt ceiling, Fitch Ratings warned Tuesday.

[....]

Fitch already has a negative outlook on the U.S. as the country’s debt burden has risen to around 100% of its gross domestic product and has said it will make a decision on the rating this year, regardless of how the debt ceiling discussions pan out.

The U.S. government reached its statutory debt limit of nearly $16.4 trillion at the end of 2012 but has engineered extraordinary measures that should see it through February.

[....]

Despite his cautious tone on the rating, Riley said the U.S. has a number of huge advantages and that getting the country’s public finances into shape will not require the same level of austerity that many countries in Europe have had to enact over the past few years, partly because the U.S. economy is growing at a steady rate.

Other factors Fitch says support the U.S.’s AAA rating are the country’s economic dynamism, lower financial sector risks, the rule of law as well as the global benchmark status of the country’s bonds and the dollar.

However it says these “fundamental credit strengths are being eroded by the large, albeit steadily declining, structural budget deficit and high and rising public debt.

We are just like a 3rd world nation. We do not have a free press, one political party controls business, academia and politics. We are printing money to monetize the debt and we have huge deficits yearly. We deserve a credit downgrade for our fiscal irresponsibility.

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  1. 1 | January 16, 2013 7:12 am

    Fitch already has a negative outlook on the U.S. as the country’s debt burden has risen to around 100% of its gross domestic product

    It’ll be close to 150% of GDP by the end of Obama’s second four years. Downgrades are the least of our worries. Sooner or later our creditors are going to decide that they won;t continue to loan us money at 0% effective interest. We may not default at that moment, but that’ll be the moment default becomes inevitible. Something that can’t go on forever won’t go on forever. Our current debt binge (up 60% in the last 4 years) can’t last.


  2. 2 | January 16, 2013 7:17 am

    For a moment there, Rodan, I thought that photo was of General Seti…. 8)


  3. MikeA
    3 | January 16, 2013 7:31 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    This is so true. Most of the credit agencies did not downgrade the failing banks until was too late. They are not the carnary in the coal mine. By the time they “sing”, the mine has collapsed.


  4. unclassifiable
    4 | January 16, 2013 7:32 am

    @ Macker:

    That’s Supreme Commander of Heaven and Earth, the Light Bringer and Builder of All that is Taxable, Holder of the Stash and Lord of the Holder, His Highness and Gifted Being, President Barack Hussein Mugabe Obama to you mister.

    And don’t you forget it infidel.


  5. 5 | January 16, 2013 7:44 am

    @ MikeA:

    Yeah, after their performance in 2008, I am surprised that anyone pays attention to these agencies. If they couldn’t predect the housing collapse (which was pretty obviously coming; something that can’t go on forever won’t), what else are they missing? America’s coming collapse is the handwriting on the wall. It won’t happen next year unless Obama starts a Civil War over guns, but it is coming, and Obama and the Democrats are doing their level best to bring it on.


  6. unclassifiable
    6 | January 16, 2013 7:46 am

    Other factors Fitch says support the U.S.’s AAA rating are the country’s economic dynamism, lower financial sector risks, the rule of law as well as the global benchmark status of the country’s bonds and the dollar.

    That bolded part is the one that The One and his minions want to ignore.

    Vote Democrat and you will get what you asked for but not what you wanted.


  7. 7 | January 16, 2013 7:51 am

    @ unclassifiable:

    Obama’s is going to detail his plans on ignoring the Second Amendment later today. I am most interested in what he is going to try to get away with. They say it is the most expansive gun control agenda since 1968. The Democrats have been going after the guns since 1933. They won’t stop until they get a Civil War started.


  8. unclassifiable
    8 | January 16, 2013 8:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have really tried to avoid and discourage the civil war topic.

    First reason is the history I have read. The last U.S. Civil War was horrible. Even if you extrapolate the figures (and these are gross estimates only) you are still talking about 9 -- 15 million Americans killed. And I have not even factored in utilization of modern warfare technology and techniques.

    Second is my own complicity. I had a chance to go into the military and obtain the training and perspective that would enable me to think through a possible situation as we might be facing. Instead given the choice coupled with an immature mind secure in the present circumstances (Reagan just took office) I chose to follow the easy path.


  9. 9 | January 16, 2013 8:16 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:
    Obama’s is going to detail his plans on ignoring the Second Amendment later today. I am most interested in what he is going to try to get away with. They say it is the most expansive gun control agenda since 1968. The Democrats have been going after the guns since 1933. They won’t stop until they get a Civil War started.

    Even worse, he will use children in his unveiling.


  10. 10 | January 16, 2013 8:16 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    This is so true. Most of the credit agencies did not downgrade the failing banks until was too late. They are not the carnary in the coal mine. By the time they “sing”, the mine has collapsed.

    The US should be downgraded already.


  11. unclassifiable
    11 | January 16, 2013 8:21 am

    @ Rodan:

    If he thought he could get away with digging up those coffins and stand on them while delivering his diktat, he would do it.

    Fortunately someone in his advisory junta still has a little foresight past a soundbite or youtube clip.


  12. rain of lead
    12 | January 16, 2013 8:27 am

    Let. It. Burn!
    .
    .
    huh? It’s on fire? Really?
    oh. ok.
    .
    .
    “Watch. IT. Burn!”


  13. 13 | January 16, 2013 8:28 am

    unclassifiable wrote:

    Instead given the choice coupled with an immature mind secure in the present circumstances (Reagan just took office) I chose to follow the easy path.

    I tried to get into the Military Academy, and didn’t quite make it. Instead of joining the military as an Enlisted Man, and trying that route, I went on to college, but didn’t do ROTC. That was a big mistake. I had looked at joining the Marine Corps Reserves out of high school, and wish that I had made that decision now. It is too late to turn back, though. I am very much 4-F due to physical ailments. As for the Civil War, the only thing worse than a Civil War would be allowing the fundamental transformation ogf the United States without fighting. Obviously, we should use every device at hand. Frederick Douglass said that there were three boxes that Liberty was protected by: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. We certainly hope that our liberties can be protected with the two former ones, but we should never allow ourselves to be disarmed. If you didn't read it, go back and read my ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ thread. The quote from Gulag Archipelago is very pertinant to the current discussion.


  14. 14 | January 16, 2013 8:30 am

    @ unclassifiable:

    He has no shame.


  15. unclassifiable
    15 | January 16, 2013 8:37 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    There is not anymore cartridge box. The whole idea that most folks would even get a chance to face their enemy is going the way of the bayonet (joke but not really).

    I always harken back to the Hollywood myth that that you would start the war and make it through the first frontal assault, continue the assault on your enemy, and vanquish them in the end becoming a hero.

    Reality is that most folks are killed in the first 5 minutes of the “movie” and even in the end they are in some way broken even if they are victorious.

    Mythology has a way of hiding history.


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | January 16, 2013 8:41 am

    fitch understands economics.

    obama and his crew do as well. they are destroying us for a reason.


  17. RIX
    17 | January 16, 2013 8:41 am

    Good morning. We are witnessing the demise of America & many
    progressives think that we deserve it.
    We need something dramatic to turn this around.


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | January 16, 2013 8:42 am

    Michael Walsh has an appropo story up about civil disobedience during prohibition.

    In the Roaring Twenties, after the passage of the 18th Amendment and the Volstead Act, Prohibition was the law of the land — but it wasn’t necessarily the law of the states. After an initial burst of enthusiasm for shuttering bars and raiding breweries, many cities and states lost their appetite for local enforcement once they started hearing from their constituents, including the gangsters who’d quickly taken over the lucrative black market in booze. So they simply stopped enforcing the law, figuring if the feds wanted to give it a try, that was their problem.


  19. 19 | January 16, 2013 8:42 am

    @ unclassifiable:

    Actually, most ot the people on even Civil War battlefields survived. On both sides. Attrition was a problem, but not such that “most folks are killed in the first 5 minutes of the “movie””, not even for the South. What do you advise, then? Simply giving up? That is not something I am prepared to do.


  20. coldwarrior
    20 | January 16, 2013 8:43 am

    my 15month old took a chunk out of my eye a day ago with her fingernail. she just bought me a week off work. my eye doc is a member at my country club so….i guess i kinda wrote my own excuse.

    :lol:


  21. Tanker
    21 | January 16, 2013 8:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:
    Obama’s is going to detail his plans on ignoring the Second Amendment later today. I am most interested in what he is going to try to get away with. They say it is the most expansive gun control agenda since 1968. The Democrats have been going after the guns since 1933. They won’t stop until they get a Civil War started.

    This will probably never get to this. Bravado we see all over the internet is just that. Most of these brave internet warriors will fold at the first opportunity. Sure the Media will call it a civil war, but in reality it will be a few that pay the price and the fundamental change will still happen.

    I asked one of these brave warriors the other day if he really had it in him to draw down on another human and pull the trigger, and his hesitation told me all I needed to know.

    The fight is really over, we will just see how many deaths it will take to see it complete!


  22. RIX
    22 | January 16, 2013 8:47 am

    @ Rodan:
    Using children as props proves that there is no depth that Obama
    will not sink to.
    You can’t underestimate this guy.


  23. unclassifiable
    23 | January 16, 2013 8:48 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    No you have to fight but you have to do it with the realization that all you may do is cause attrition in the enemy ranks. Your own personal well being maybe optional especially if you aren’t trained (like me).

    I’d like to think I would pull through but admittedly my chances are lower than a professional soldier.

    If and when the sh*t comes down we can only hope that the rank and file of the military are with us. I think they are but I also thought Americans would never be stupid enough to let this happen in the first place.


  24. citizen_q
    24 | January 16, 2013 8:48 am

    Just a thought.

    Obama will be happily acting the dictator and gut the 2nd Amendment. And if he doesn’t do the job completely he has a coven of wannabes who are only too happy to make their totalitarian bones on the backs of their constituents.

    If we are throwing out the Bill Of Rights, why is islam still untouched? By it’s own admission it is subversive seeking to suppliant our government and religions with itself and sharia. There have already been legal attacks on the Christian faith for the most innocuous of things. Why is islam untouched?


  25. coldwarrior
    25 | January 16, 2013 8:49 am

    @ Tanker:

    i think what we will see is states defying DC in ever growing numbers. just look at all the states that refuse to set up exchanges for obamacare and the states who are making law to make it illegal to hamper the 2d amendment. if enough state ‘outlaw’ the 1040 form, collect the taxes and hold them in escrow then DC has to come to heel.


  26. unclassifiable
    26 | January 16, 2013 8:50 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Holy crap CW you got ya a ninja kid:-)


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | January 16, 2013 8:51 am

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Holy crap CW you got ya a ninja kid:-)

    she took a pretty nice divot. my left field of vision is a blur.


  28. 28 | January 16, 2013 8:52 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Pretty good article.


  29. 29 | January 16, 2013 8:52 am

    @ RIX:

    It’s sick.


  30. citizen_q
    30 | January 16, 2013 8:52 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Using children as props proves that there is no depth that Obama
    will not sink to.
    You can’t underestimate this guy.

    That is a given. There are so many instances of how low can you go with him and his fellow travellers that it is a job to keep track. Remember the strange fund raising appeals? Put donations to obama on your wedding regestry? obama and hillary’s telling the family members of the Benghazi murdered that they will get the maker of the video that they knew had nothing to do with the attack. etc…


  31. unclassifiable
    31 | January 16, 2013 8:54 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    And I do admit you are probably dealing with my own personal dour mood on this whole set of events that unfolded in November.

    I’ll try to find my happy but it’s not happening today.


  32. 32 | January 16, 2013 8:57 am

    Tanker wrote:

    The fight is really over, we will just see how many deaths it will take to see it complete!

    We’ll see. If ten percent of the gun owner are willing to fight, that is ten million people. I am bouyed by what the States are doing. The existance of State Governments is supposed to be a bulkwork against a tyrannical government. We are in 1859 here. We are going to see what happens when our system goes off the rails. This time it is with a tyrant Federal government. We’ll see what kind of opposition they get from the States. Many states have Republican majorities in their legislatures. We are going to see if the Republican Party is worth supporting, or if it is indeed time for a new party.


  33. 33 | January 16, 2013 8:57 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Tanker:
    @ citizen_q:
    @ unclassifiable:
    @ RIX:
    @ eaglesoars:

    Time to ban tire irons and bats!

    A Brooklyn man was been charged with attempted murder in the beating of 24-year-old Kevin McCarron, who was stomped and pummeled with a tire iron, baseball bat and blackjack by a gang on MacDougal St. early Sunday, police and witnesses said.

    A heinous beatdown in the heart of Greenwich Village has left a Massachusetts man fighting for his life.

    Kevin McCarron, 24, was bashed with a tire iron, baseball bat and blackjack and stomped repeatedly by a gang of toughs in the middle of MacDougal St. early Sunday, police and witnesses said.

    Cops on Monday busted 24-year-old Hatem Farsakh of Brooklyn, who was arraigned on charges of attempted murder and assault.


  34. coldwarrior
    34 | January 16, 2013 8:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Tanker:
    @ citizen_q:
    @ unclassifiable:
    @ RIX:
    @ eaglesoars:
    Time to ban tire irons and bats!
    A Brooklyn man was been charged with attempted murder in the beating of 24-year-old Kevin McCarron, who was stomped and pummeled with a tire iron, baseball bat and blackjack by a gang on MacDougal St. early Sunday, police and witnesses said.

    A heinous beatdown in the heart of Greenwich Village has left a Massachusetts man fighting for his life.
    Kevin McCarron, 24, was bashed with a tire iron, baseball bat and blackjack and stomped repeatedly by a gang of toughs in the middle of MacDougal St. early Sunday, police and witnesses said.
    Cops on Monday busted 24-year-old Hatem Farsakh of Brooklyn, who was arraigned on charges of attempted murder and assault.

    outlaw footwear as well! they used shoes to stomp him!!!!


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | January 16, 2013 8:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Cops on Monday busted 24-year-old Hatem Farsakh of Brooklyn, who was arraigned on charges of attempted murder and assault.

    ban muslim men as well!


  36. RIX
    36 | January 16, 2013 8:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    It’s sick.

    Yes


  37. Prebanned
    37 | January 16, 2013 9:00 am

    I am for completely disarming all city folk. Then take the weapons from thier police.
    The dims would then kill each other.


  38. 38 | January 16, 2013 9:01 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    To be successful in an insurgency, you need to go after the opponent’s base of support. Example you do not fight directly LEO’s nor the military. You start with soft targets like Imams, Academics, Movie Stars, Athletes, Musicians and Wall Streeters. That’s how you begin a real insurgency.

    Like Tanker said, many people are just talk and all this is just hypothetical anyway..


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | January 16, 2013 9:01 am

    SHUT UP, COMMONERS!!!

    President Barack Obama’s deputies have quadrupled the number of signatures that petitioners on the administration’s “We the People” website must collect to get an official response from the White House, following a series of popular, provocative and disrespectful signature drives by his critics.


  40. 40 | January 16, 2013 9:01 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    ban muslim men as well!

    I could support that!

    :evil:


  41. RIX
    41 | January 16, 2013 9:02 am

    @ citizen_q:
    Obama & his crew believe in the Alynski principal that the end justifies
    the means.
    That fees them to lie & mislead.


  42. Prebanned
    42 | January 16, 2013 9:03 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    haw haw


  43. unclassifiable
    43 | January 16, 2013 9:04 am

    @ Rodan:

    I lost my all my tire irons and bats in a boating assident on the Brazos River.

    OK maybe I am finding my happy anyway.

    See y’all later. Off to work.


  44. 44 | January 16, 2013 9:04 am

    BTW Obama’s gun proposals are DOA in the Senate.


  45. unclassifiable
    45 | January 16, 2013 9:06 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    disrespectful signature drives by his critics

    Well he can just !@#$%^&* off and kiss my big ass…

    …please.


  46. Tanker
    46 | January 16, 2013 9:07 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Many states have Republican majorities in their legislatures. We are going to see if the Republican Party is worth supporting, or if it is indeed time for a new party.

    Not sure if what I heard this morning about NY passing their law only with the support of republicans. If that is true then My hope for states being our way out is somewhat diminished! I see some standing up, but will it be enough? Time will tell. I really hope you are correct in your assumption!


  47. citizen_q
    47 | January 16, 2013 9:09 am

    @ Rodan:
    I think the most egregious infringements will be from states and localities.

    As this process progresses you might see a shifting of populations and polarization of states away from each other.

    I’m toying with the idea of eventually getting the hell out of MD.


  48. 48 | January 16, 2013 9:10 am

    @ Tanker:

    Not sure if what I heard this morning about NY passing their law only with the support of republicans.

    Yes it was a Coalition of “Moderate” Republicans and Democrats that passed it. See my #44, Obama’s proposals are DOA in the Senate.


  49. eaglesoars
    49 | January 16, 2013 9:11 am

    There’s a very pernicious side effect to all this -- the absolute disintegration of respect for the gov’t at all levels. The Washington Examiner has a good piece up on how obscure, vague regulations promulgated by nanny bureaucrats criminalize just about everybody. And the punishments are draconian in comparison to the offense.

    “Although this report focuses primarily on the economic ramifications of overcriminalization, the most important reason for reform is simply that overcriminalization is a failure of the government’s responsibility to secure liberty,” Marc Levin, director of TPPF’s Center for Effective Justice, said in a statement. “Rather than allowing individuals and business owners along the Gulf Coast to maximize their liberty and opportunity up to the point that they do not harm others, our laws far too often create confusion and injustice by reaching far beyond the goal of punishing those who engage in blameworthy conduct that causes real harm.”

    The report indicates that this opaque process tends to empower bureaucrats, with many “offenses created by rulemaking pursuant to
    blanket statutes that permit agencies to effectively create crimes

    gotta go.


  50. 50 | January 16, 2013 9:11 am

    @ citizen_q:

    I think the most egregious infringements will be from states and localities.

    Yup, Obama is just providing a national blueprint. Many Progressive states will implement Obama’s ideas at the local level.


  51. RIX
    51 | January 16, 2013 9:11 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    The issue is criminals, not legal gun owners.
    Chicago is becoming some futuristic bad movie.
    Instead of really cracking down they have “take back the Streets”
    marches led by Father Flager.


  52. Tanker
    52 | January 16, 2013 9:12 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    Not sure if what I heard this morning about NY passing their law only with the support of republicans.
    Yes it was a Coalition of “Moderate” Republicans and Democrats that passed it. See my #44, Obama’s proposals are DOA in the Senate.

    I’m really not worried about his proposals, it’s the EO’s and the Ball-less congress that worries me.


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | January 16, 2013 9:14 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    we operate in smaller and smaller boxes of compliance.

    eventually, even this collapses.


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | January 16, 2013 9:15 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The issue is criminals, not legal gun owners.
    Chicago is becoming some futuristic bad movie.
    Instead of really cracking down they have “take back the Streets”
    marches led by Father Flager.

    yeah. like that’s gonna work

    :roll:


  55. 55 | January 16, 2013 9:17 am

    @ Tanker:

    I’m really not worried about his proposals, it’s the EO’s and the Ball-less congress that worries me.

    Eunuch Boehner will cry!


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | January 16, 2013 9:18 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Yup, Obama is just providing a national blueprint. Many Progressive states will implement Obama’s ideas at the local level.

    the sooner the better. this way we can see where everyone stands. ny’s gun law showed me to never bother going there again. and as soon as my inlaws die i wont ever set foot into NJ again.


  57. 57 | January 16, 2013 9:21 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    You bet the Fat fake Guido will push something in NJ. Deval Patrick will do something in Mass.


  58. coldwarrior
    58 | January 16, 2013 9:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    You bet the Fat fake Guido will push something in NJ. Deval Patrick will do something in Mass.

    western upstate ny can join pa and we will send them phillie in trade.

    :lol:


  59. EBL
  60. RIX
    60 | January 16, 2013 9:24 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Chicagos police chief Gary McCarthy was recruited from back East
    somewhere.
    One of the first things he did was to visit St. Sabinna, Father Flagers church
    to talk about crime. St. Sabina is in a crime ridden area.
    He blamed most violence on people like the Tea Party!
    Problem solved./


  61. 61 | January 16, 2013 9:25 am

    @ Rodan:

    It’ll be interesting to see what the Supreme Court does with that. They’ve basically let Chicago get away with flouting McDonald. They have avoided scrutiny with the Second Amendment because to be consistent they have to go with strict scrutiny. Unfortunately, Roberts has shown that consistency is not his strong suit. I think he is afraifd of Obama, but gun conrol may become a test of the Court’s authority. If you can ignore the Court on gun control, why not abortion?


  62. coldwarrior
    62 | January 16, 2013 9:26 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Chicagos police chief Gary McCarthy was recruited from back East
    somewhere.
    One of the first things he did was to visit St. Sabinna, Father Flagers church
    to talk about crime. St. Sabina is in a crime ridden area.
    He blamed most violence on people like the Tea Party!
    Problem solved./

    he was police chief newark, nj


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | January 16, 2013 9:28 am

    You’ve really got to love RahmVille. Chicago Police Chief Gary McCarthy is now threatening that he will train cops to shoot civilians if they have a gun in their hand, regardless if they are licensed firearms or not.

    “You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”

    McCarthy would not say what specific training officers will undertake if any. However, he did admit that in the past his department has made mistakes in shooting unarmed civilians. He believes the concealed carry law will increase those types of unfortunate incidents.

    yeah, real nice, pig.


  64. RIX
    64 | January 16, 2013 9:29 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    That’s it.


  65. coldwarrior
    65 | January 16, 2013 9:32 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    That’s it.

    and i’m sure this goon was a smashing success in newark as well.

    how does this thug still have a job. hell, he looks a strong arm for some union boss.


  66. 66 | January 16, 2013 9:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Like Tanker said, many people are just talk and all this is just hypothetical anyway..

    People who are buying guns today aren’t buying them so they can turn them in tomorrow. I think there will be Massive civil disobediance to anything that Obama comes up with. That is the first plce we have to start. States passing laws criminalizing enforcement of gun control laws is the next step. ATF Agents aren’t immune to State Law when they execute their duties. Thus, they can be brought up on murder charges if the unlawfully kill someone serving a warrent. Here, if they are illegally serving a warrent, well, that will be interestin gto see how the Courts come out. During th eCivil Rights Era, it was the Federal government standing up to rogue states that wanted to violate people’s civil rights. This time it will be the States standing up to a rogue Federal government that is trying to violate people’s civil rights.


  67. RIX
    67 | January 16, 2013 9:32 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    So first McCarthy cleaned up Newark, now Chicago.
    Interesting though, I was in Newark on a hot Summer Friday Night not
    long ago.
    Newark didn’t seem all that cleaned up.


  68. citizen_q
    68 | January 16, 2013 9:33 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    The Onion is dead.

    Who needs parody when we are living it.


  69. RIX
    69 | January 16, 2013 9:34 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    That’s it.

    and i’m sure this goon was a smashing success in newark as well.

    how does this thug still have a job. hell, he looks a strong arm for some union boss.

    That is an apt description. His success is slavish devotion to whoever the
    Mayor is.


  70. 70 | January 16, 2013 9:34 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Supreme Court is powerless now. As for Abortion I take a 10th Amendment stance. If states want to ban it, go ahead. Since Gun rights are restricted by states, the same should go for abortion. The Supreme Court is useless and The House of Representatives is just a rubber stamp.


  71. 71 | January 16, 2013 9:35 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    That sounds suspiciously like the orders that were given at Ruby Ridge. Randy Weaver was acquitted of killing a Federal Marshal that operated unde r those ROE. I think it is very interesting that they want to have the police in the United States operating under less restrictive ROE than the troops in Afghanistan. They aren’t interested in winning the hearts and minds of Americans.


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | January 16, 2013 9:36 am

    @ RIX:

    shame of it is that chicago is one of my favorite places. too bad this crew is ruining it.


  73. 73 | January 16, 2013 9:36 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    think there will be Massive civil disobediance to anything that Obama comes up with.

    Yeah I think most Pro Gun States will pass laws making federal officials criminals.


  74. 74 | January 16, 2013 9:37 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    That’s Fascism right there.


  75. coldwarrior
    75 | January 16, 2013 9:37 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    ruby ridge indeed. now there is a model for law enforcement!

    /


  76. 76 | January 16, 2013 9:41 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Using children as props proves that there is no depth that Obama
    will not sink to.
    You can’t underestimate this guy.

    Is there anyone who believes that this children just spontaneously “wrote the President” asking that he do something about gun control and gun violence? Suuuuuuure they did. Probably a class project in every proggie third-grade classroom across the U.S. Word went out to the NTA to get letters to Jerk the Wonder Prez because he needed the props. I’d love too have a reporter ask just ONE of these kids what made them write to the President. I’ll bet my next paycheck that the answer would be “because Ms. Watson told us to.”

    (Actually, I’ll bet Ms. Watson wrote the letters and dictated them to the little darlings -- to be written out in the appropriate Crayola color for such things.)


  77. 77 | January 16, 2013 9:42 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Must be hell on your short game.


  78. 78 | January 16, 2013 9:42 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Hey, no one ever got punished for it. It is just that the Feds lost in court both with their prosecution of Weaver and then with Weaver’s civil suit against the rogue agency. It was a model of how the Left want to enforce gun control. So is the Chicago Chief of Police. He is a thug, and he should be treated as a thug.


  79. coldwarrior
    79 | January 16, 2013 9:43 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    That’s Fascism right there.

    he just said that he intends to train his officers to murder innocent civilians.
    yeah, big tough cop there…accomplice to murder? how long would this schmuck survive in general lockup?


  80. 80 | January 16, 2013 9:43 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    OFA made the kids write these letters.


  81. coldwarrior
    81 | January 16, 2013 9:44 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Must be hell on your short game.

    ahhhh! its the off season until march. i’ve got zero depth perception tho!


  82. 82 | January 16, 2013 9:45 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    This means that Chicago residents have a right to view the Police as occupiers.


  83. coldwarrior
    83 | January 16, 2013 9:46 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    This means that Chicago residents have a right to view the Police as occupiers.

    or a threat, a hostile enemy, criminals, anti-americans.

    ‘ “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

    –Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.’


  84. 84 | January 16, 2013 9:47 am

    @ Rodan:

    Chicago continues to oppress and disarm her people in defiance of a Supreme Court decision. It is becoming a test of Supreme Court authority. If Chicago and New York are given a pass on the Second Amendment, then Red States should begin to outlaw Abortion, and to hell with Roe v. Wade. Heller and McDonald are every bit as much law as Roe. It is put up or shut up for the Supreme Court.


  85. citizen_q
    85 | January 16, 2013 9:49 am

    Why the hell should I or we take advice on limiting a civil right from 8 and 10 year olds?

    While it’s cute and in a bygone era when we had or at least had the appearance of a representational form of government for children to write their representatives as a lesson in civics, it is insanity to rationalize a totalitarian robbing of our rights on it.

    In a sane world or if we had a functioning media that wasn’t simply the propaganda arm of the grabbermint he would be called on it and made a laughingstock.

    W.H. Releases Letters from Little Kids Pleading for Gun Control

    The White House today released letters from little kids pleading for gun control, just hours before President Obama is to release a comprehensive proposal to limit guns and ammunition. The letters were released to the Associated Press in what appears to be a coordinated effort to help shape the narrative the day of Obama’s announcement.

    “Three days after six teachers and 20 students were killed by a rampaging gunman at their elementary school in Newtown, Conn., an 8-year-old from Maryland pulled out a sheet of paper and asked President Barack Obama for ‘some changes in the laws with guns,’” the AP reports.

    “It’s a free country but I recommend there needs (to) be a limit with guns,” Grant wrote in a letter dated Dec. 17. “Please don’t let people own machine guns or other powerful guns like that.”

    In the days after the shooting, children around the country had the same idea as Grant. They put their feelings about the massacre on paper and sent those letters to a receptive White House.

    “I am writing to ask you to STOP gun violence,” wrote Tajeah, a 10-year-old from Georgia. “I am very sad about the children who lost their lives. So, I thought I would write to you to STOP gun violence.”

    Half way through the article, the AP admits, “The White House shared three such letters with The Associated Press, from young writers who seemed to agree that Obama should do what’s necessary to make it harder for people to get guns.”


  86. 86 | January 16, 2013 9:50 am

    @ Rodan:

    Which is where you get the real problem with the Roe decision -- it couches abortion in the terms of a medical procedure. Which it is. The problem? Regulation of the professions, including medical procedures, is a enumerated power of the individual states.


  87. 87 | January 16, 2013 9:51 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    …[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

    Changing that is one of the biggest goals of Obama in his fundamental transformaion of America. We’ll see what happens. I am heartened to see States taking pre-emptive action against this power grab. I hop ethat we see more states step up to the plate.


  88. 88 | January 16, 2013 9:52 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Weaver had Gerry Spence defending him. If I were in trouble, he’d be my first call.


  89. 89 | January 16, 2013 9:54 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Not all Red States would ban abortions. I’m OK with it legal in the case of rape or incest. But it’s up to the Individual states. If Gun Rights are not enforce neither should any other.


  90. 90 | January 16, 2013 9:54 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Tell me about it. Flyboy and I hit the restaurant at the local course for breakfast on Saturday, like we usually do, and it was completely full with people waiting -- the entire course was completely frozen over and they pushed everyone’s tee times up 2 hours.


  91. 91 | January 16, 2013 9:54 am

    @ citizen_q:

    The main problem with the 60s was that people started listening to children and giving them a seat at the cultural table. We continue to make the same error…


  92. 92 | January 16, 2013 9:55 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Oh please -- that is NOT the prose style of an 8 year old.


  93. 93 | January 16, 2013 9:56 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Which is where you get the real problem with the Roe decision — it couches abortion in the terms of a medical procedure. Which it is. The problem? Regulation of the professions, including medical procedures, is a enumerated power of the individual states.

    It was a horrible decision. It ruined politics for the last 40 years and it’s hurt the GOP politically. I wish that decision never happened. I think politics would be a alot different today.


  94. RIX
    94 | January 16, 2013 9:58 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ RIX:

    shame of it is that chicago is one of my favorite places. too bad this crew is ruining it.

    I really love Chicago & it is not beyond redemption.


  95. citizen_q
    95 | January 16, 2013 9:59 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Agreed.

    It is bull excrement from one end to the other.


  96. RIX
    96 | January 16, 2013 9:59 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ citizen_q:

    The main problem with the 60s was that people started listening to children and giving them a seat at the cultural table. We continue to make the same error…

    If ten year olds are so wise , let’s elect one President.
    Um, maybe we did.


  97. 97 | January 16, 2013 10:03 am

    @ Rodan:

    Roe v. Wade is the worst Supreme Court decision since Dred Scott. It has been as divisive, but it hasn’t sparked a hot Civil War. It is one of the kety flashpoints in th eCold Civil War, though. As is gun control. I am really interested to hear what Obama says today. His exhortations to the Congress are meaningless. He’s not getting a new “Assault Weapons” ban through the Congress, and if they pass it in the Senate the Democrats may lost the Senate in 2012. It won’t get through the House. I am concerned about what he’ll do through Executive Orders.


  98. 98 | January 16, 2013 10:05 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I am concerned about what he’ll do through Executive Orders.

    That’s what I am worried about. The rest of it he knows is DOA in Congress, but will be a blueprint for Blue States to pass legislation.


  99. RIX
    99 | January 16, 2013 10:07 am

    Hmmm, The Obama children have armed security in their schools.


  100. 100 | January 16, 2013 10:11 am

    Rodan wrote:

    will be a blueprint for Blue States to pass legislation.

    Yeah, I think he’ll use New York as the model. You’ll see a few States follow it. I am sure California is gearing up to get stricter than New York. Can’t have their East Coast rival mor fascistic than they are. I hope Wyoming serves as a model for Red States, though. Tennessee already has a Firearms Freedom law that technically covers suppressors and “assault weapons” (but not machineguns; it is silent on short-barreled rifles and shotguns), but I’d like to see us put something along the lines of what is proposed in Wyoming into play.


  101. RIX
    101 | January 16, 2013 10:11 am

    RIX wrote:

    Hmmm, The Obama children have armed security in their schools.

    To clarify, it is Secret Service.


  102. 102 | January 16, 2013 10:13 am

    @ citizen_q:

    If I were a kid I’d be writing to Obama asking why he’s burdening me with a debt we can never pay back and why I’m probably looking at 70% tax rates by the time I’m an adult.


  103. 103 | January 16, 2013 10:13 am

    RIX wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Hmmm, The Obama children have armed security in their schools.
    To clarify, it is Secret Service.

    No. That school already had armed security before the president’s kids showed up.


  104. 104 | January 16, 2013 10:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    O’Malley is proposing some gun restrictions. I am sure Deval Patrick will as well. The sad part is one of these 2 men will be our next President after 2016.


  105. Daffy Duck
    105 | January 16, 2013 10:17 am

    Rodan wrote:

    BTW Obama’s gun proposals are DOA in the Senate.

    Taqiyya


  106. 106 | January 16, 2013 10:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    The sad part is one of these 2 men will be our next President after 2016.

    See, I’m not as confident of that as you are. No where near. It is a long time until 2016. A lot can happen in that time. We coudl take back the Senate in 2014. It isn’t a done deal, not, but it is a possibility. The Supreme Court could step up to the plate. I am certainly not giving up. Worst case scenario is pretty bd, yes, but we aren’t there yet.


  107. 107 | January 16, 2013 10:20 am

    @ Daffy Duck:

    I think it really is dead. The Republican party is on the verge of collapse, Gun Control is the only issue that unites the Right at this point. Why give your enemy a lifeline when they are the verge of implosion? This is all show for Obama.


  108. coldwarrior
    108 | January 16, 2013 10:21 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Tell me about it. Flyboy and I hit the restaurant at the local course for breakfast on Saturday, like we usually do, and it was completely full with people waiting — the entire course was completely frozen over and they pushed everyone’s tee times up 2 hours.

    no golfing on frosty greens.


  109. 109 | January 16, 2013 10:22 am

    @ Daffy Duck:

    No, there are 20 Democrat Senators up for re-election in 2014, and I don’t think they want a vote for gun control on their record. That kind of vote might help a Californa or New York Senator, but they are safe anyway. It could doom a Louisiana (Landrieu is up in 2014) or other Red State Senator. I’m sure they wish Obama would STFU, though I don’t expect them to publicly say so.


  110. 110 | January 16, 2013 10:23 am

    @ Rodan:

    I’m sure Moonbeam and the Democrat Super Majority are dusting off some oppressive Second Amendment restrictions for California as we speak.


  111. 111 | January 16, 2013 10:23 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Republican party as currently structured can not win a Presidential election. It can’t compete in much of the country and it’s message is stale. The Media-Entertainment Complex has a death grip on the nation that can’t be shaken until they over reach. it’s the political truth. As for 2014, judging from the last Senate Races where we ran lame Establishment types like Tommy Thompson or Loons like Akins, I would not be so confident. The truth is the GOP will be in the political wilderness until the 2020′s.


  112. 112 | January 16, 2013 10:26 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yup.


  113. 113 | January 16, 2013 10:27 am

    @ Rodan:

    The first thing the Republicans need to do is get rid of the open primaries.


  114. 114 | January 16, 2013 10:28 am

    @ Rodan:

    Then we’re doomed. The wheels come completely off around 2025 if we don’t do something to stop it. That is an optomistic take on it. They could come off sooner than that. It is around 2025 that interest on the debt and entitlements eat up the entire available tax revenue of the nation. They can B>try raising taxes at that point, but that’ll just cause revenues to decrease. We’ll be in a death spiral. 2016 is probably too late to fix it. Obama’s trillion dollar a year (plus!) deficits will have us at such a huge national debt. We are already at 100% GDP. We were only at about 60% GDP when Obama took office. He’s increased the national debt about 60% total. It is really unreal the kind of money he has blown.


  115. 115 | January 16, 2013 10:32 am

    We need to get back to dispassionate governance and leave the emotional heat of the moment out of it. Everything Obama has done has dripped with emotion and immediacy, both of which preclude studied debate and the causation that should accompany any law or regulation. The very worst mindset in approaching legislation is, in fact, the whole of his playbook.

    Emotions are fleeting, law is not.

    My heart aches for the families of these 20 children, but that doesn’t mean they should have any more influence on law than should any of us here. That’s another bullshit hallmark of the liberal argument; “moral authority”.

    I’m sure that he’ll pull out all the stops this afternoon, pulling at our hearts and ignoring our heads. I’ll be halfway surprised if he doesn’t douse the children in blood, just to drive the point home.


  116. Daffy Duck
    116 | January 16, 2013 10:32 am

    @ Rodan:
    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t neccessarily disagree with your logic, but I remember being told that Congress wouldn’t pass ObamaCare, etc…

    I don’t trust Democrats in the Senate to kill any AWB, and I don’t trust Crybaby Boehner to kill it when it gets to the House.

    The Regime still has the ability to twist arms and bribe.


  117. 117 | January 16, 2013 10:35 am

    @ Rodan:

    Rodan, Jonah Goldberg has a good column up, i, the event you haven’t read it….


  118. Daffy Duck
    118 | January 16, 2013 10:37 am

    @ Daffy Duck:

    Not that it matters one iota to me what EO comes out today, or what gun ban comes down the pike tomorrow.

    I will not be in compliance.


  119. coldwarrior
    119 | January 16, 2013 10:40 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Rodan, Jonah Goldberg has a good column up, i, the event you haven’t read it….

    i just read it. he needs to get out of dc and talk to folks in flyover country. the leadership IS the problem.


  120. buzzsawmonkey
    120 | January 16, 2013 10:43 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Hey, CG! Did you see yesterday’s Buzz Ballad?

    There’s another one in the pipeline for today, but it’s not up yet.


  121. 121 | January 16, 2013 10:44 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Speaking of publishing conservative works, Mark Levin’s “Liberty and Tyranny” came out yesterday in a Spanish translation. It will be interesting to see how it fares on the Spanish language lists.


  122. coldwarrior
    122 | January 16, 2013 10:46 am

    Scarborough: William F. Buckley Would Have Endorsed Hagel

    :lol:

    NOT!


  123. 123 | January 16, 2013 10:47 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Just checked it out and left a comment!! I’m still working on the ugly project from hell at work. Almost completed. However, I may have to take up heavy medication to counteract it.

    I love it when attorneys kiss a partner’s butt using my lips.


  124. 124 | January 16, 2013 10:48 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Schmoe is like Colon Bowel -- you aren’t a Republican, you aren’t a conservative, but you’ll pretend for the bucks. We call that a whore where I come from.


  125. 125 | January 16, 2013 10:49 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Then we’re doomed. The wheels come completely off around 2025 if we don’t do something to stop it. That is an optomistic take on it. They could come off sooner than that.

    That’s why I think in 2020 a Reformed GOP or a New Center-Right Party will come into power. Things will get nasty around 2018 and the Democrats will eb thrown out. By then the GOP or New Party will have figured out how to appeal to a large segment of America and will drop the nation building BS. We will be so broke we can’t nation build!

    It will be a rough patch but I think we will end up OK.


  126. 126 | January 16, 2013 10:51 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Scarborough: William F. Buckley Would Have Endorsed Hagel

    NOT!

    WFB should rise up and strike him dead. I used to like Scarborough back in the 90s, he’s become the pod person from hell….


  127. coldwarrior
    127 | January 16, 2013 11:10 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Schmoe is like Colon Bowel — you aren’t a Republican, you aren’t a conservative, but you’ll pretend for the bucks. We call that a whore where I come from.

    i’m just gonna start calling him colon blow.


  128. lobo91
    128 | January 16, 2013 11:11 am

    PETA Wants Obama To Include Hunting Ban In His Anti-Gun Measures…

    Wondering if the administration is “against senseless violence and slaughter, or it isn’t,” People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is making an 11th hour pitch to President Obama to include a hunting ban in his gun control measures to be unveiled Wednesday.

    “Americans’ views are evolving on many issues, from same-sex marriage to gun control, and the time is right to reconsider the dangerous message that the practice of killing animals for fun is acceptable and should even be protected,” Tracy Reiman, PETA’s executive vice president said in a letter to Obama.

    The animal rights group is angered that Vice President Biden has been calling hunting “responsible” gun ownership.


  129. coldwarrior
    129 | January 16, 2013 11:11 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Scarborough: William F. Buckley Would Have Endorsed Hagel
    NOT!

    WFB should rise up and strike him dead. I used to like Scarborough back in the 90s, he’s become the pod person from hell….

    while buckly rightly despised teh neo-conservatives, and just because hegel is not a neo-con, that does not follow that wfb would support this pick.


  130. 130 | January 16, 2013 11:12 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Speaking of publishing conservative works, Mark Levin’s “Liberty and Tyranny” came out yesterday in a Spanish translation. It will be interesting to see how it fares on the Spanish language lists.

    About Time!


  131. 131 | January 16, 2013 11:13 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Thank you for that!


  132. coldwarrior
    132 | January 16, 2013 11:15 am

    @ lobo91:

    heh, i’m wearing my PETA tee shirt today.

    People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

    on the back it says:

    vegetarian -- ancient tribal slang for the village idiot who cant hunt, fish or ride.


  133. buzzsawmonkey
  134. lobo91
    134 | January 16, 2013 11:16 am

    MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski: NRA Leaders “Sick In The Head”…

    … Former White House Press Secretary and Obama advisor Robert Gibbs slammed the ad on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Wednesday morning.

    “I mean, it is disgusting on many levels,” Gibbs said. “It’s also just stupid.”

    He added, “This reminds me of an ad that somebody made about 2:00 in the morning after one too many drinks, and no one stopped it in the morning.”

    “What’s wrong with these people, Mika? What’s wrong with these people?” Joe Scarborough, host of “Morning Joe,” asked co-host Mika Brzezinksi in disbelief.

    “They are out of step, out of the mainstream, totally out of sync with what’s going on in our society, and quite frankly after seeing that, I think some of the people who run that thing are sick,” Brzezinski said. “I really do. I think they are sick in the head.

    “And I’m serious,” she continued. “I am embarrassed right now.”


  135. 135 | January 16, 2013 11:16 am

    New Thread.


  136. 136 | January 16, 2013 11:17 am

    @ lobo91:

    I saw that. ou can’t get far Left enough for some people. I don’t expect Dear Leader to pay attention to them right now. There’s time enough to outlaw hunting after all the guns are registered. The Second Amednemnt isn’t about hunting, though.


  137. buzzsawmonkey
    137 | January 16, 2013 11:21 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The Second Amednemnt isn’t about hunting, though.

    Venison isn’t a constitutional right?


  138. lobo91
    138 | January 16, 2013 11:34 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I saw that. ou can’t get far Left enough for some people. I don’t expect Dear Leader to pay attention to them right now. There’s time enough to outlaw hunting after all the guns are registered. The Second Amednemnt isn’t about hunting, though.

    It’s an interesting approach, though. The left has always used the throwaway line that they “aren’t going to take your deer rifle or shotgun” as a way to con some gun owners into going along with their crap. Now part of their coalition of nutbars is saying “Well, yeah, we actually do want to take those away, too.”


  139. buzzsawmonkey
    139 | January 16, 2013 11:39 am

    @ lobo91:

    That’s why I say that gun stores should say they sell “Tyranny Resistance Tools” instead of “Sporting Goods.”


  140. Daffy Duck
    140 | January 16, 2013 11:49 am

    @ lobo91:

    Most of us know that the ultimate Proggie wet dream is total elimination of private firearms.

    Every incremental “compromise” we agree to erodes our position.

    Give them an inch, they will take a mile.


  141. Da_Beerfreak
    141 | January 16, 2013 11:49 am

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Macker:

    That’s Supreme Commander of Heaven and Earth, the Light Bringer and Builder of All that is Taxable, Holder of the Stash and Lord of the Holder, His Highness and Gifted Being, President Barack Hussein Mugabe Obama to you mister.

    And don’t you forget it infidel.

    Baby Doc Baraq is so much easier to type… :wink:


  142. randian
    142 | January 16, 2013 11:58 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    The wheels come completely off around 2025 if we don’t do something to stop it. That is an optomistic take on it. They could come off sooner than that. It is around 2025 that interest on the debt and entitlements eat up the entire available tax revenue of the nation. They can B>try raising taxes at that point, but that’ll just cause revenues to decrease. We’ll be in a death spiral.

    Then we repudiate the debt. Plenty of nations have done so and come out ok, including Russia in the 90s.


  143. 143 | January 16, 2013 7:41 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    I asked one of these brave warriors the other day if he really had it in him to draw down on another human and pull the trigger, and his hesitation told me all I needed to know.

    This might be a terrible thing to say but I don’t think I’d find it particularly difficult. But then, that’s because I think things through ahead of time -- situations in which that level of force would, or would not, be necessary and justified.

    Suffice it to say I have had some experience with facing down a stalker who was endangering family members. Didn’t have to kill anybody thus far though it could come to that in the future. Said stalker had, and still has, *ahem* Muslim connections.

    I would defend literally anybody, even a complete stranger, against a Muslim.


  144. 144 | January 16, 2013 7:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski: NRA Leaders “Sick In The Head”…
    … Former White House Press Secretary and Obama advisor Robert Gibbs slammed the ad on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Wednesday morning.
    “I mean, it is disgusting on many levels,” Gibbs said. “It’s also just stupid.”
    He added, “This reminds me of an ad that somebody made about 2:00 in the morning after one too many drinks, and no one stopped it in the morning.”
    “What’s wrong with these people, Mika? What’s wrong with these people?” Joe Scarborough, host of “Morning Joe,” asked co-host Mika Brzezinksi in disbelief.
    “They are out of step, out of the mainstream, totally out of sync with what’s going on in our society, and quite frankly after seeing that, I think some of the people who run that thing are sick,” Brzezinski said. “I really do. I think they are sick in the head.
    “And I’m serious,” she continued. “I am embarrassed right now.”

    Her father was, and still is, a major shill for the Serb-killers. She’s obviously no better.


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