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Obama thinks that Israel does not understand its own “best interests”; and Netanyahu tells Obama that “I know what’s best for Israel”

by Speranza ( 191 Comments › )
Filed under Gaza, IDF, Iran, Israel, Palestinians at January 17th, 2013 - 7:00 am

Obama’s arrogant, condescending attitude towards the real threats that Israel faces is astounding. Also for him to refer to Benjamin Netanyahu as a “coward”  (Netanyahu was a commando leader while Obama was a coke snorting undergrad)  tells me that Obama is mentally unstable.

by Seth Mandel

The headline writers at Bloomberg knew exactly which part of Jeffrey Goldberg’s column would prove juiciest to those perusing the web today: “Obama: ‘Israel Doesn’t Know What Its Best Interests Are’”. The quote from the president will bother Israel’s defenders for the same reason Obama is usually able to push their buttons: Obama’s lack of knowledge about Jewish history, his decision to take potshots at the Likud party as a way to win over those hostile to the Jewish state during the 2008 election, and his refusal to learn basic facts about issues before throwing temper tantrums about them make him among the least credible public officials on the issue of what is in Israel’s best interests.

Goldberg’s access to Obama’s inner circle has made him an excellent source on the Obama administration’s perspective on Israel, though stories like this don’t exactly paint the president in a particularly positive light–especially the president’s belief that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a “coward.” But childish name-calling aside, the president, according to the column, seems to have given up on Netanyahu. He can’t muster outrage at Israeli actions that elicit rage from leftist activists and cartoonishly biased and inaccurate “news” stories. (The New York Times deserves special mention here for publishing an article on the E-1 corridor around Jerusalem and then publishing a “correction” noting that the entire premise of the article was wrong, having since consulted a map.)  [........]

For example, Obama thinks the only thing that can save Israel long-term is a negotiated settlement over a two-state solution with the Palestinians. But as everyone knows, Obama was the one who pulled the Palestinians away from the negotiating table. Thus, it seems Obama knows what’s in Israel’s best interests and acted against those interests anyway. [.......] Additionally, Goldberg writes:

And if Israel, a small state in an inhospitable region, becomes more of a pariah — one that alienates even the affections of the U.S., its last steadfast friend — it won’t survive. Iran poses a short-term threat to Israel’s survival; Israel’s own behavior poses a long-term one.

It’s unclear if this is Goldberg’s opinion or if he is paraphrasing Obama (or both). Of course an isolated Israel would be an increasingly threatened and weakened Israel. But Iran is only a “short-term” threat if the threat is disposed of in the near future. A nuclear Iran would probably be a long-term threat to Israel. [........] Obama promised not to allow Iran to go nuclear, but Obama isn’t exactly famous for keeping promises, to say the least, and his steadfast opposition to sanctions, which usually results in his own efforts to water them down if he’s been unable to stop them from passing, puts understandable doubts in the minds of some Israeli officials.

Additionally, if you believe Iran to be a “short-term” threat, then you believe soon Iran will not be a threat. Once that threat is removed, it would become substantially easier to move on the Israeli-Palestinian negotiating track anyway, since the terrorist groups that are supplied by Iran reliably disrupt the peace process whenever they (or Iran) feel like it.  [........] So if Obama’s really about to remove the Iranian threat, why should he lose patience now?

The truth is, no one knows what Obama is going to do–possibly not even Obama. But he pushed the Palestinians away from the negotiating table and has yet to figure out a way to get them back to it. And he has sent both Israel and Iran contradictory messages by promising to stop Iran but then being the primary obstacle to tougher sanctions and nominating to be his defense secretary a vocal opponent of all the tools that could be used to stop Iran. (Though Chuck Hagel has recanted in return for support from key Democrats, Obama chose Hagel before he flip-flopped.)  [......]

Read the rest – Obama and Israel’s “Best Interests”

It did not take long for Benjamin Netanyahu to respond. I see the ugly face of failed Prime Minister Ehud Olmert whispering in Obama’s ear.

by Herb Keinon

A day after US columnist Jeffrey Goldberg quoted US President Barack Obama as saying that Israel under Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu does not know what is in its own best interest, Netanyahu visited the Gaza border Wednesday, was told that December was the quietest month in the last 12 years, and essentially replied to Obama: “Yes I do.”

“I think everyone understands that only Israel’s citizens will be the ones to determine who faithfully represents Israel’s vital interests,” Netanyahu said on a visit to an army base near Gaza in his first direct response to Obama’s reported criticism.  [........]

Netanyahu, who was joined on his visit by Defense Minister Ehud Barak and top IDF brass, was told that according to the security establishment’s figures, December was the quietest month in the south since January 2001.

“I am very impressed by the advanced technological means, and even more so by our young soldiers operating them here,” he said. “The IDF, Shin Bet, and security force are doing very important work here. They are maintaining the quiet which has been kept since Operation Pillar of Defense.”

[........]

Senior Likud officials had already accused Obama on Tuesday of leaking sharp criticism Netanyahu’s leadership in order to sway voters in next Tuesday’s election.

Sources close to Netanyahu responded carefully, saying that the prime minister would continue to protect the country’s vital national security interests in the coming government that he would lead. The sources noted that Obama had said Israeli-US defense and security cooperation were at unprecedented levels, which was evident in US support for Israeli missile defense systems and diplomatic backing during Operation Pillar of Defense.

But Likud officials accused Obama of “gross interference” in the Israeli election and said the president was “taking revenge” against Netanyahu for his perceived intervention in the November US election on behalf of unsuccessful Republican challenger Mitt Romney. The officials said Obama had been swayed against Netanyahu by President Shimon Peres and former prime minister Ehud Olmert.

Goldberg told The Jerusalem Post that he was amused by the reactions of Israeli politicians, especially accusations that he had conspired with the Israeli Left to maximize damage to Netanyahu. He said what he had written was consistent with statements Obama had made in the past about the need for Israel’s friends to hold up a mirror and tell the truth.

“In the administration, they saw that after Obama supported Israel in the Gaza conflict and at the UN, the next day Netanyahu wanted to build a new settlement in E1, and they threw up their hands in frustration,” Goldberg said. “I have picked up this chatter in the White House over the past two weeks, so I wrote it. I’m a journalist, writing about what’s happening, not trying to steer an Israeli election.”

Read the rest – PM hits back at Obama:  I know what’s best for Israel

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191 Responses to “Obama thinks that Israel does not understand its own “best interests”; and Netanyahu tells Obama that “I know what’s best for Israel””
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  1. unclassifiable
    1 | January 17, 2013 7:31 am

    I can see the press conference already.

    Major Garret will ask the question about this.

    Jay Carney will raise his hand and in a Jedi mind trick swirl will say…

    He was quoted out of context.

    And the FCTM will repeat in hypnotic unison…

    He was quoted out of context.


  2. 2 | January 17, 2013 7:41 am

    All this presupposes that Obama actually wants what is in Israel’s best interest. I think that is not correct. Obama wants the Jews to be quite wile they are dying. That is all he wants from them. That and, in the case of American Jews, their vote. After the last election, I think Obama figures the Democrat Party has a lock on the Jewish vote. He can do anything to Israel that he wants to without fear.


  3. unclassifiable
    3 | January 17, 2013 7:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    IF, I kind of need to get this PSA out to Jay because he’ll need it.

    Jay, dude, you have been covering the Obama’s asses for some time now. I know, it’s a damn big job because, let’s face it, they show their asses a lot. Your probably a normal guy. Took the job to grab that brass ring. We all understand honestly we do.

    But Jay, that headache you get at the end of the day is growing. That’s cognitive dissonance there buddy. The BS is backing up in your system.

    Let me ask you a question. Do you have props — er um — a wife and kids, significant others, or maybe a dog or two or a sick mom or dad?

    You’re going to need those friend. Because if you don’t those headaches will turn into migraines and then you’ll start blathering about “How dare you question the wisdom of the Supreme Being?” which, while it is the way you truly feel, is just a little too real for the present time.

    No Jay you’re gonna need those props because you are going to have to quit to end your personal malaise. And those props are going to be the one’s who you are going to have to spend more time with buddy.

    Trust me. This is the way it’s done these days.

    Sorry to interrupt IF. Carry on!


  4. 4 | January 17, 2013 8:01 am

    @ unclassifiable:

    Heh™ :P


  5. rain of lead
    5 | January 17, 2013 8:11 am

    mornin ya’ll

    “but,but,but…I don’t want to live in interesting times!”


  6. 6 | January 17, 2013 8:13 am

    @ rain of lead:

    But you’ll have interesting stories to tell the grandkids! Of course, I don’t have kids, I have cats. They’re all spayed and neutered, so no grandcats 8O


  7. citizen_q
    7 | January 17, 2013 8:14 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I believe comrade zero is happy to accept dirty Jewish money.


  8. rain of lead
    8 | January 17, 2013 8:16 am

    now this…..
    this is weel done

    How to crush Democrats’ dumbest (but pervasive) gun control argument

    The never-let-a-crisis-go-to-waste Left is in assault mode on your Second Amendment rights. These gun grabbers think they’re so clever with this line of questioning which (frustratingly) seems to stump the unprepared:

    The Framers didn’t write the Second Amendment with AR-15′s in mind. Where do you stop? Should citizens be allowed to have nuclear weapons?
    This is a hanging curve ball just waiting for you to crush it.

    First of all, remind Democrats that the Framers didn’t write the First Amendment with cable television, Internet communications or even the telegraph in mind. Should we limit the press’s freedom of speech to the movable type printing press which was the primary means of mass communication at the time of the Framers?

    More importantly, don’t let the nuclear weapon ruse intimidate you. The limits of the Second Amendment is a fair question that deserves an answer. It’s simple: Law-abiding, free people should have the right to arm themselves with whatever weapons their government would use against them.

    If the world is sufficiently dangerous that the police require semi-automatic rifles with large-capacity magazines, then do not the free citizens who are sovereign over the police and who also live in the same dangerous world deserve to similarly protect themselves from it? In fact, are not the citizens — not the police — always the first ones who are forced to face those dangers?

    There is no justification for the public servant police to be more heavily armed than the law-abiding public they serve … unless … the government’s intention is to be more powerful than the people. When the police are the only ones armed, then it is a police state


  9. rain of lead
    9 | January 17, 2013 8:17 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    what about nieces or nephews,they are almost as good


  10. 10 | January 17, 2013 8:27 am

    @ rain of lead:

    I’ve got three nieces and a nephew, but I hardly ever see them. I’m like you. I don’t want to live in interesting times.


  11. RIX
    11 | January 17, 2013 8:39 am

    Good morning. I don’t think that Obama was encouraged to support
    Israel in the Islamic & Marxist circles that he traveled in.
    He sees Israel as a colonial power , much as he views the U.S
    & Britain.


  12. Speranza
    12 | January 17, 2013 8:42 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. I don’t think that Obama was encouraged to support
    Israel in the Islamic & Marxist circles that he traveled in.
    He sees Israel as a colonial power , much as he views the U.S
    & Britain.

    Given the academic and social environments he ran around in, should we be surprised?


  13. RIX
    13 | January 17, 2013 8:43 am

    @ Speranza:
    No, no surprise.


  14. rain of lead
    14 | January 17, 2013 8:45 am

    @ RIX:

    mornin rix

    heh
    (48 hr rule here)

    Algeria siege: Hostages ‘escape Islamist captors’

    A number of hostages have escaped the Islamist militants who took them captive at a gas facility in eastern Algeria, media and officials say.

    Details of the escape and the numbers involved remain unclear, but some 30-40 Algerians and 15-25 foreign nationals were reported to have escaped.

    The militants earlier said they were holding 41 foreign nationals.

    A siege is ongoing, with Algerian soldiers surrounding the facility near In Amenas.

    The kidnappers occupied the complex on Wednesday, after killing a Briton and an Algerian.

    The details on the escapes remain confused


  15. huckfunn
    15 | January 17, 2013 8:50 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ RIX:

    mornin rix

    heh
    (48 hr rule here)

    Algeria siege: Hostages ‘escape Islamist captors’

    A number of hostages have escaped the Islamist militants who took them captive at a gas facility in eastern Algeria, media and officials say.

    Details of the escape and the numbers involved remain unclear, but some 30-40 Algerians and 15-25 foreign nationals were reported to have escaped.

    The militants earlier said they were holding 41 foreign nationals.

    A siege is ongoing, with Algerian soldiers surrounding the facility near In Amenas.

    The kidnappers occupied the complex on Wednesday, after killing a Briton and an Algerian.

    The details on the escapes remain confused

    UPDATE… BREAKING: MILITANTS: ALGERIAN HELICOPTERS KILL 35 HOSTAGES


  16. Speranza
    16 | January 17, 2013 8:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    All this presupposes that Obama actually wants what is in Israel’s best interest. I think that is not correct. Obama wants the Jews to be quite wile they are dying. That is all he wants from them. That and, in the case of American Jews, their vote. After the last election, I think Obama figures the Democrat Party has a lock on the Jewish vote. He can do anything to Israel that he wants to without fear.

    Obama thinks that it is in Israel’s best interests to be merged into “one-state” with the Palestinian Arabs and accept their role as a “protected” minority in “Greater Palestine”.


  17. RIX
    17 | January 17, 2013 8:54 am

    @ rain of lead:
    Good morning Rain. I do hope that some of the hostages
    did escape.


  18. rain of lead
    18 | January 17, 2013 8:54 am

    bwahahahaha
    now this is funny, I don’t care who you are!

    Google denies Street View car ran over donkey

    A scene captured by a Google Street View vehicle in Kweneng, Botswana, that went viral Monday seems to show the car hitting and possibly killing a donkey on the road.

    The scene is still visible on Google Street View: The Google vehicle appears to come up upon a standing donkey before knocking it over.

    But Google has a different version of the incident and insists the animal is fine.


  19. Speranza
    19 | January 17, 2013 8:55 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    No, no surprise.

    After all he went to undergrad school at Columbia University which Caroline Glick (a fellow Columbia undergrad) called “Bir Zeit on the Hudson”.


  20. 20 | January 17, 2013 8:55 am

    Speranza wrote:

    accept their role as a “protected” minority in “Greater Palestine”.

    Read dhimmitude. I agree with your assessment. Obama may not be a Muslim (I think he is an atheist), but he is damned sure down with Muslim attitudes towards Jews and Christians. And Americans, too.


  21. rain of lead
    21 | January 17, 2013 8:56 am

    @ huckfunn:

    2nd “source?”

    Many dead at site of Algerian kidnapping

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-sahara-crisis-idUSBRE90F1JJ20130117


  22. 22 | January 17, 2013 8:59 am

    If Obama can’t get Al Franken on his team on gun control, it is a dead issue:

    Sen Al Franken (D-MN) on Wednesday indicated that he’s undecided on an assault weapons ban, the Post-Bulletin of Rochester, Minn. reported.

    Speaking at an event in Rochester, Franken pledged support for a number of provisions in the gun control package outlined by President Barack Obama at a news conference on Wednesday — including limiting high-capacity magazines and instituting stricter nationwide background checks — but the junior senator from Minnesota did not mention a ban on assault weapons.

    When asked if Franken would back an assault weapons ban, Marc Kimball, a spokesman for the senator, couldn’t say for sure.

    “I guess I don’t have an answer for you,” Kimball said. “He’s been listening to Minnesota, trying to be thoughtful on this and trying to get input from people from a wide spectrum of views.”

    Given that Franken is a reliable vote for teh Won, I’d say this is bad news for Obama. Like I said yesterday, I doubt that Reid can get 60 votes for this thing to move forward. Given that it is DOA in the House, no one is going to want to jeopardize their seat to give Obama a pat on the back here.


  23. 23 | January 17, 2013 9:08 am

    @ Speranza:

    He wants Israelis to be Dhimmis.


  24. 24 | January 17, 2013 9:09 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    He’s an Islamophile.


  25. 25 | January 17, 2013 9:12 am

    @ Rodan:

    No doubt about that. It is like in the middle of WWII we elected Joe Kennedy or Charles Lindbergh to the White House. Bush may have lacked the will to prosecute the war the way it needed to be prosecuted, but Obama clearly is on the other side.


  26. citizen_q
    26 | January 17, 2013 9:12 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    accept their role as a “protected” minority in “Greater Palestine”.
    Read dhimmitude. I agree with your assessment. Obama may not be a Muslim (I think he is an atheist), but he is damned sure down with Muslim attitudes towards Jews and Christians. And Americans, too.

    OTOH, we seem to be doing all we can to advance islam, From our so-called foreign policy, wholesale importation of muslims, and cleansing the language used by government agencies who are putatively charged with protecting us from the subversion and violence islam requires of it’s slaves so that they cannot be effective in that task, I can’t see much the difference from what they are doing if were muslims advancing their totalitarian cult, and other rationalizations of their behaviour.

    Dorian Grey had some interesting observations on the overnight thread on this subject however. Postulating that by keeping the mideast ins turmoil we are injuring China because of their need for oil. That along with our printing of money to devalue our currency, so China get paid back on our debt it has purchased with dollars that have diminished value. This possibly in response to their trying to crash our economy during the fiscal crisis in 2008.


  27. Speranza
    27 | January 17, 2013 9:13 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Read dhimmitude. I agree with your assessment. Obama may not be a Muslim (I think he is an atheist), but he is damned sure down with Muslim attitudes towards Jews and Christians. And Americans, too.

    Absolutely. I think he is an atheist too but is also an Islamophile.


  28. Speranza
    28 | January 17, 2013 9:15 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He wants Israelis to be Dhimmis.

    I think he wants Israel to disappear and Israelis to follow the advice of Helen Thomas and go back to Poland.


  29. Speranza
    29 | January 17, 2013 9:16 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    No doubt about that. It is like in the middle of WWII we elected Joe Kennedy or Charles Lindbergh to the White House. Bush may have lacked the will to prosecute the war the way it needed to be prosecuted, but Obama clearly is on the other side.

    Heh, Joe Kennedy and Charles Lindbergh would be Pat Buchanan’s ideal ticket.


  30. huckfunn
    30 | January 17, 2013 9:19 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    2nd “source?”

    Many dead at site of Algerian kidnapping

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-sahara-crisis-idUSBRE90F1JJ20130117

    I’d hate it if my life depended on the surgical strike skilz of the Algerians or Fwench.

    Gotta hit the road.

    Later


  31. Speranza
    31 | January 17, 2013 9:19 am

    Outside of George W. Bush (who no longer is president) I don’t think that any leader of a free and democratic nation in the recent past who gets demonized as much as Benjamin Netanyahu.


  32. 32 | January 17, 2013 9:20 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    No doubt about that. It is like in the middle of WWII we elected Joe Kennedy or Charles Lindbergh to the White House. Bush may have lacked the will to prosecute the war the way it needed to be prosecuted, but Obama clearly is on the other side.

    I think the Democrats and the national GOP are on the other side. We are a Dhimmi tributary state of the Caliphate.


  33. 33 | January 17, 2013 9:21 am

    @ Speranza:

    Alvaro Uribe of Colombia was, but unlike American or Israeli leaders Colombians don’t care about world opinion.


  34. RIX
    34 | January 17, 2013 9:34 am

    This Notre Dame Manti Te’o story about the non-existent dead girfriend gets
    worse & worse.


  35. 35 | January 17, 2013 9:36 am

    RIX wrote:

    This Notre Dame Manti Te’o story about the non-existent dead girfriend gets
    worse & worse.

    That story is crazy!


  36. MikeA
    36 | January 17, 2013 9:39 am

    @ Rodan:
    @ RIX:

    Heard it on the radio this morning. He is either dumb as a box of rocks or he is so busted and still dumb as a box of racks for even trying something like this.


  37. theoutsider
    37 | January 17, 2013 9:40 am

    @ Speranza:
    Are you kidding me? Have you heard of Barack Obama?


  38. coldwarrior
    38 | January 17, 2013 9:41 am

    @ unclassifiable:

    jay carney is nothin more than a well dressed hipster


  39. 39 | January 17, 2013 9:43 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Are you kidding me? He doesn’t get demonized he gets put on a pedestal.


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | January 17, 2013 9:43 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Are you kidding me? Have you heard of Barack Obama?

    seriously? just stop now. i dont put up with trolls.

    0 has the entire media behind him carrying water. so really, knock it off with the talking points. if you want to play up here with the adults try to raise your game, ok.


  41. 41 | January 17, 2013 9:45 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    How you going to demonize someone who isn’t even allowed to be criticized without cries of racism?


  42. 42 | January 17, 2013 9:47 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ RIX:
    Heard it on the radio this morning. He is either dumb as a box of rocks or he is so busted and still dumb as a box of racks for even trying something like this.

    He’s lying, this whole thing smells fishy.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | January 17, 2013 9:47 am

    mskelly wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    How you going to demonize someone who isn’t even allowed to be criticized without cries of racism?

    the racial hire will get angry if he hears you talking like that, then he will report you to human resources. we must protect the lazy racial hire at all costs!

    so there!


  44. 44 | January 17, 2013 9:49 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Are you kidding me? Have you heard of Barack Obama?

    You are being very dishonest. Obama receives nothing but praise from the media. At his last press conference, the press just gave him softballs and never followed up on him. Obama is the most cocooned President ever.


  45. Speranza
    45 | January 17, 2013 9:50 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Are you kidding me? Have you heard of Barack Obama?

    Barack Obama the fellow who Evan Thomas has been proclaimed to be like God, above it all?


  46. 46 | January 17, 2013 9:50 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:
    jay carney is nothin more than a well dressed hipster

    We have an Administration of Hipsters and 3rd World Liberation types.


  47. RIX
    47 | January 17, 2013 9:50 am

    Rodan wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    This Notre Dame Manti Te’o story about the non-existent dead girfriend gets
    worse & worse.

    That story is crazy!

    It is absolutely nuts. I wonder how many people were in on the hoax.


  48. 48 | January 17, 2013 9:51 am

    @ Speranza:

    I just laugh at the dishonesty of the Left. Obama is practically a demi-god.


  49. Speranza
    49 | January 17, 2013 9:51 am

    mskelly wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    How you going to demonize someone who isn’t even allowed to be criticized without cries of racism?

    You cannot even call him “lazy” because the Great Colin Powell (the greatest general and statesman of all time) says that is a dark vein of racism if you do that.


  50. 50 | January 17, 2013 9:51 am

    @ RIX:

    I do not get the point of hoax.


  51. theoutsider
    51 | January 17, 2013 9:52 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m not a troll CW, you should know that. What other president has had his citizenship questioned? What other president has been told he has to learn how to be an American? What other president has been accused of hating America? I could on and on, but I don’t have enough time to go through every insult and smear.


  52. 52 | January 17, 2013 9:52 am

    @ mskelly:

    RAAAAACIST! How dare you question the One!

    That’s all we get from the other side. They don’t debate the issues, they demonize the entire opposing arguement. We did get Obama to back down on gun control, though. Ulsterman is reporting that Obama originally wanted to go full-bore confiscation, but backed off after all the outrage. I don’t kno whow reliable that report is, but Obama sure did back down from what was billed as the most “far-reaching gun control in a generation”. Yeah, he wants the AWB back, but that doesn’t look like it’ll even pass the Senate, let alone the House.


  53. Speranza
    53 | January 17, 2013 9:52 am

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    This Notre Dame Manti Te’o story about the non-existent dead girfriend gets
    worse & worse.
    That story is crazy!

    It is absolutely nuts. I wonder how many people were in on the hoax.

    The term “catfish” or “catfishing” joins “fiscal cliff” on the list of terms I never want to hear again.


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | January 17, 2013 9:52 am

    i have never in all my years seen the press preform fellatio so often on one man. but then again, i dont expect much out of people with journalism degrees.


  55. Speranza
    55 | January 17, 2013 9:53 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I just laugh at the dishonesty of the Left. Obama is practically a demi-god.

    He is Jesus Christ Hipsterstar.


  56. Colin Powell
    56 | January 17, 2013 9:53 am

    @ Speranza:

    Thank for recognizing my greatness!


  57. RIX
    57 | January 17, 2013 9:53 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ RIX:

    Heard it on the radio this morning. He is either dumb as a box of rocks or he is so busted and still dumb as a box of racks for even trying something like this.

    It’s hard to come up with a scenario that Te’o is an innocent victim
    He recounts phone conversations, meetings & “She is the most beautiful
    girl that I ever met.”


  58. RIX
    58 | January 17, 2013 9:54 am

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    This Notre Dame Manti Te’o story about the non-existent dead girfriend gets
    worse & worse.
    That story is crazy!

    It is absolutely nuts. I wonder how many people were in on the hoax.

    The term “catfish” or “catfishing” joins “fiscal cliff” on the list of terms I never want to hear again.

    Yup


  59. Speranza
    59 | January 17, 2013 9:54 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m not a troll CW, you should know that. What other president has had his citizenship questioned? What other president has been told he has to learn how to be an American? What other president has been accused of hating America? I could on and on, but I don’t have enough time to go through every insult and smear.

    Tell that to W. who was called a chimp, a war criminal, a Nazi, an idiot, a draft dodger, and a usurper. Obama gets his anus licked clean by Hollywood, Academia, the media, and the thuggish unions.


  60. 60 | January 17, 2013 9:55 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m not a troll CW, you should know that. What other president has had his citizenship questioned? What other president has been told he has to learn how to be an American? What other president has been accused of hating America? I could on and on, but I don’t have enough time to go through every insult and smear.

    You are full of it. The Media mocked people making those claims. I remember when you Leftists were claiming Bush did 9/11.

    Do you deny the Media is on Obama’s side?


  61. heysoos
    61 | January 17, 2013 9:55 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m not a troll CW, you should know that. What other president has had his citizenship questioned? What other president has been told he has to learn how to be an American? What other president has been accused of hating America? I could on and on, but I don’t have enough time to go through every insult and smear.

    what other president has ever gone to such length to keep his past covered up?….he deserves whatever bad stuff people sat about him..his words and behavior aspeak for themselves if your not too blind to see…just like him, you have no objectivity


  62. RIX
    62 | January 17, 2013 9:56 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I do not get the point of hoax.

    All that I can think of is to ginn up the Heisman Trophy.
    I hope that is not true.


  63. 63 | January 17, 2013 9:56 am

    @ RIX:

    Delusional? I don’t know that much about the situation, but why did he ever think he could get away with it? Sure, the media are a bunch of lazy hacks, but someday someone was going to follow up on it.


  64. 64 | January 17, 2013 9:56 am

    @ Speranza:

    Tell that to W. who was called a chimp

    Although he does look like one!

    :lol:


  65. coldwarrior
    65 | January 17, 2013 9:56 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m not a troll CW, you should know that. What other president has had his citizenship questioned? What other president has been told he has to learn how to be an American? What other president has been accused of hating America? I could on and on, but I don’t have enough time to go through every insult and smear.

    he probably wasnt born here.

    he does hate america because he is a third world revenge bent minority hire, do go on and on, troll.

    seriously, if you cant see the press coddling this racial hire then i cant have a serious conversation with you. and i mean it, i dont put up with trolls.


  66. Speranza
    66 | January 17, 2013 9:57 am

    Colin Powell wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Thank for recognizing my greatness!

    Your saintliness is manifest to those who have eyes to see.


  67. coldwarrior
    67 | January 17, 2013 9:58 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m not a troll CW, you should know that. What other president has had his citizenship questioned? What other president has been told he has to learn how to be an American? What other president has been accused of hating America? I could on and on, but I don’t have enough time to go through every insult and smear.

    you sir are a troll and an unoriginal thinker.

    good day to you.


  68. Speranza
    68 | January 17, 2013 9:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Tell that to W. who was called a chimp
    Although he does look like one!

    But that’s raaaaacist!

    Obama with his big ears looks like Curious George. ////
    ooops can’t say that. Sorry.


  69. 69 | January 17, 2013 10:00 am

    @ RIX:

    It’s not looking good for him.


  70. 70 | January 17, 2013 10:01 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    He’s being intellectually dishonest. Even the LGFers brag how the media has Obama’s back.


  71. 71 | January 17, 2013 10:01 am

    @ Speranza:

    Obama actually looks like a Space Alien.


  72. RIX
    72 | January 17, 2013 10:01 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Delusional? I don’t know that much about the situation, but why did he ever think he could get away with it? Sure, the media are a bunch of lazy hacks, but someday someone was going to follow up on it.

    I think that he went with it & just kept doubling down.
    how complicit was Notre Dame is another question.


  73. Speranza
    73 | January 17, 2013 10:03 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Obama actually looks like a Space Alien.

    Big eared, scrawny ass.


  74. RIX
    74 | January 17, 2013 10:03 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    It’s not looking good for him.

    Not at all. He probably hurt himself in the NFL draft.


  75. 75 | January 17, 2013 10:04 am

    @ RIX:

    Stupid, but then again, most of these athletes have room-temperature IQs, so maybe it isn’t that surprising.


  76. coldwarrior
    76 | January 17, 2013 10:04 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    He’s being intellectually dishonest. Even the LGFers brag how the media has Obama’s back.

    i get burned every time. i always expect those ‘on the left’ who post here to be more brave and honest than their counterparts elsewhere.

    alas, seldom is that the case. i can see many agruements from the left, but not admitting that the press completely covers for this lazy, shiftless, racial hire and his wife the professional grifter is too much for even me. and i am very willing to put up with a lot of crap. that is just too much.


  77. coldwarrior
    77 | January 17, 2013 10:05 am

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ RIX:
    It’s not looking good for him.

    Not at all. He probably hurt himself in the NFL draft.

    i’ll take him in the first round.


  78. coldwarrior
    78 | January 17, 2013 10:06 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Stupid, but then again, most of these athletes have room-temperature IQs, so maybe it isn’t that surprising.

    so stupid that they get to go to college for free, have all he hotties and then after graduations have ZERO student loans.

    yeah, real stupid.


  79. 79 | January 17, 2013 10:07 am

    @ theoutsider:

    I’m not a troll CW, you should know that.

    Well…

    What other president has had his citizenship questioned?
    No other president’s grandmother said he was born in another country. No other president had stories wrote up about him in college calling him a foreign student. No other president hemmed and hawed over having to provide a birth certificate and then released an obviously fake one.

    What other president has been told he has to learn how to be an American?
    No other president acted like he was above America.

    What other president has been accused of hating America?
    No other president went on a tour around the world to tell other countries how slack we are and to denigrate everything that we stand for.

    I could on and on, but I don’t have enough time to go through every insult and smear.
    Quitters never win.


  80. theoutsider
    80 | January 17, 2013 10:08 am

    @ Rodan:
    I’m not a leftist. Stop calling me that. I’m a JFK-FDR liberal. BTW, the people that accused President Bush of orchestrating 9/11 were not liberals or conservatives, they were anti-government nuts like Alex Jones.


  81. 81 | January 17, 2013 10:08 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Well thank God for loud mouths!


  82. 82 | January 17, 2013 10:12 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    They get degrees in worthless crap, often with “no show” classes, and for the most part have pretty grim prospects when college is over with. Most of them don’t go on to the pros.


  83. RIX
    83 | January 17, 2013 10:13 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Stupid, but then again, most of these athletes have room-temperature IQs, so maybe it isn’t that surprising.

    this is looking like more than stupidity.
    He made comments that indicted they met quite a bit.
    She never existed.


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | January 17, 2013 10:13 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    I’m not a leftist. Stop calling me that. I’m a JFK-FDR liberal.

    you’re right, you arent a liberal.

    you are a progressive. and that is far worse.


  85. 85 | January 17, 2013 10:13 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’m not a leftist. Stop calling me that. I’m a JFK-FDR liberal. BTW, the people that accused President Bush of orchestrating 9/11 were not liberals or conservatives, they were anti-government nuts like Alex Jones.

    JFK was not an FDR liberal. In fact he was skeptical of the New Deal. JFK was a Conservative Democrat. You are a LBJ Democrat. Be honest at least.


  86. 86 | January 17, 2013 10:13 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    He is cut from the same cloth as LBJ and Woodrow Wilson.


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | January 17, 2013 10:15 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They get degrees in worthless crap, often with “no show” classes, and for the most part have pretty grim prospects when college is over with. Most of them don’t go on to the pros.

    you using your undergrad degree? nope.

    me neither.

    but we get to pay for it every month.


  88. heysoos
    88 | January 17, 2013 10:15 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’m not a leftist. Stop calling me that. I’m a JFK-FDR liberal. BTW, the people that accused President Bush of orchestrating 9/11 were not liberals or conservatives, they were anti-government nuts like Alex Jones.

    the fact that you blindly support the economic destruction of our country speaks for itself…who gives a shit what you call yourself


  89. RIX
    89 | January 17, 2013 10:16 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’m not a leftist. Stop calling me that. I’m a JFK-FDR liberal. BTW, the people that accused President Bush of orchestrating 9/11 were not liberals or conservatives, they were anti-government nuts like Alex Jones.

    Van Jones, Rosie O’Donnell etc.?


  90. heysoos
    90 | January 17, 2013 10:17 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They get degrees in worthless crap, often with “no show” classes, and for the most part have pretty grim prospects when college is over with. Most of them don’t go on to the pros.

    then there are guys like RG3 who’s back at Baylor to finish…he’s deeply committed to his education


  91. 91 | January 17, 2013 10:18 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Not me. I had a full academic scholorship. I had to pay for my AA, though, but I am using that. From my experience, Community College offers better bang for the buck. You actually come out with a skill that can translate into work.


  92. 92 | January 17, 2013 10:18 am

    @ RIX:

    Keith Olbermann.


  93. 93 | January 17, 2013 10:18 am

    @ heysoos:

    Oh, there are exceptions, yes, but this guy clearly wasn’t one of them.


  94. RIX
    94 | January 17, 2013 10:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Keith Olbermann.

    A whole bunch of Libs.


  95. 95 | January 17, 2013 10:19 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Not me. I had a full academic scholorship. I had to pay for my AA, though, but I am using that. From my experience, Community College offers better bang for the buck. You actually come out with a skill that can translate into work.

    We should emphasize Community College for most people. That’s actually an idea I saw Rubio floating. If we can get more people into Community College, we can start to destroy the Education Industrial Complex.


  96. 96 | January 17, 2013 10:19 am

    Rick Perry’s response to Obama on guns. I really wish Perry had been able to do a better job in the Primaries. He didn’t, though.


  97. buzzsawmonkey
    97 | January 17, 2013 10:20 am

    mskelly wrote:

    What other president has had his citizenship questioned?
    No other president’s grandmother said he was born in another country. No other president had stories wrote up about him in college calling him a foreign student. No other president hemmed and hawed over having to provide a birth certificate and then released an obviously fake one.

    Don’t forget that Obama himself claimed to have been born in Kenya, in the bio that he himself provided to his publisher—then he scrubbed that when he realized it would undercut his presidential ambitions


  98. Speranza
    98 | January 17, 2013 10:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Keith Olbermann.

    Is he still alive?


  99. Speranza
    99 | January 17, 2013 10:21 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rick Perry’s response to Obama on guns. I really wish Perry had been able to do a better job in the Primaries. He didn’t, though.

    Romney and his posse jumped all over him. Romney was tougher on Perry and Gingrich then he ever was on Obama. Shocker.


  100. heysoos
    100 | January 17, 2013 10:21 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Oh, there are exceptions, yes, but this guy clearly wasn’t one of them.

    I didn’t get his story at all…makes no sense to me, but I promise you it will not hurt his future in the NFL, which gets back to the degree thing…all the top players are going to be millionaires


  101. Speranza
    101 | January 17, 2013 10:22 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I’ve no doubt he is an American however it is the Left who keeps the birther issue going, not the Right.


  102. 102 | January 17, 2013 10:22 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rick Perry’s response to Obama on guns. I really wish Perry had been able to do a better job in the Primaries. He didn’t, though.

    Same here. Perry was the most qualified person in the race and appealed to all segments on the Right. He also would have gotten a Bush like 40-45% of the Hispanic vote.

    But what’s done is done and this country lost out on someone who would have been a good President.


  103. buzzsawmonkey
    103 | January 17, 2013 10:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    We should emphasize Community College for most people. That’s actually an idea I saw Rubio floating. If we can get more people into Community College, we can start to destroy the Education Industrial Complex.

    Forget “community college.” Trade schools that are unapologetically trade schools. We don’t need Gender Studies majors; we need people who understand how electronics and machinery work.

    And concentrate on making a high school diploma worth what it was 70 years ago. Most high school graduates of the pre-Vietnam War era were more educated than somebody with a bachelor’s degree is today.


  104. 104 | January 17, 2013 10:23 am

    @ Speranza:

    Romney was tougher on Perry than that Socialist Santorum. He treated Santorum with respect he did not deserve.


  105. 105 | January 17, 2013 10:24 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I agree with you but as Iron Fist can point out, many Community Colleges double as Trade Schools. But your bigger point still stands and I agree with you 100%.


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | January 17, 2013 10:25 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I’ve no doubt he is an American however it is the Left who keeps the birther issue going, not the Right.

    I have no idea whether he is or not, but it’s a moot point, because he’s not going to be removed over that issue. It’s not an issue of whether he managed to crawl out of his mother’s womb on American soil, anyway; the problem is that he both hates this country and loves himself too much.


  107. 107 | January 17, 2013 10:26 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I’ve no doubt he is an American however it is the Left who keeps the birther issue going, not the Right.

    But too many on the Right keep falling for this trap. They always seek a magic bullet to undue Obama.


  108. theoutsider
    108 | January 17, 2013 10:26 am

    @ Rodan:
    JFK was an FDR liberal. JFK would have never escalated the idiotic war in Vietnam. If you want to compare a president to LBJ, it is George W Bush, who you and everyone else here voted for twice.


  109. 109 | January 17, 2013 10:26 am

    @ Rodan:

    Community college of vocational training. There is nothing wrong with being an electrician or a plumber. Our whole educational complex is designed to funnel kids into a four-year academic program, but that isn[‘t what will serve most of them best. Degrees in “African-American” studes, gender studies, and the like aren’t worth the time and money it takes to get them. Had I gone on to law school, my undergraduate would have been valuable training, but I decided against that. Given were the legal industry is today, I think I made the right choice. I’d have had big student loans if I’d gone to law school. And there are way too many lawyers today. The competition for work is enormous. OTOH, there will likely never be enough computer programmers. It took me a month to find a new job when I decided to leave my previous employer. Less than that, really. I had just started looking seriously when the recruiter called me up on this job. There is some unemployment in the tech industry, but far less than in industry as a whole. We’ve settled into a “new normal” of high unemployment. That should be a concern to everyone.


  110. buzzsawmonkey
    110 | January 17, 2013 10:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Romney was tougher on Perry than that Socialist Santorum. He treated Santorum with respect he did not deserve.

    Everyone is intimidated when they tiptoe around the Sanctum Santorum…


  111. 111 | January 17, 2013 10:28 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yup if you acquire a skill, you get a job. Getting a degree in Transgender Studies will not get you a job.


  112. 112 | January 17, 2013 10:28 am

    heysoos wrote:

    all the top players are going to be millionaires

    Yeah, but you are looking at seriously a handful of players. The rest of them will be lucky to become High School football coaches and the like.


  113. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | January 17, 2013 10:28 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    JFK would have never escalated the idiotic war in Vietnam.

    Nonsense. He got us into it in the first place—and it was his advisors, whom LBJ kept, that were behind the escalation.


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    114 | January 17, 2013 10:30 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Getting a degree in Transgender Studies will not get you a job.

    Well, it might these days. The Left is working hard to make Lettuce, Guacamole, Bacon and Tomato the new hot Grievance Gravy Train.


  115. RIX
    115 | January 17, 2013 10:31 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    JFK was an FDR liberal. JFK would have never escalated the idiotic war in Vietnam. If you want to compare a president to LBJ, it is George W Bush, who you and everyone else here voted for twice.

    You know that about JFK how?
    Eisenhower had nothing but advisors there. It was JFK
    that introduced American Combat troops.I’ll bet that Viet Nam
    would not be idiotic to you if it was Obamas war.


  116. buzzsawmonkey
    116 | January 17, 2013 10:32 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    the idiotic war in Vietnam

    What was idiotic was creating rules of engagement that ensured we would lose. Slapping down communist expansion was hardly “idiotic.”


  117. 117 | January 17, 2013 10:32 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    If I had been on the same stage as him, I would have called him a Marxist hiding behind his religion. I would have destroyed that doofus and made him cry.

    I hate Marxists like Santorum who use social issues to trick Conservatives.


  118. 118 | January 17, 2013 10:32 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Don’t forget that Obama himself claimed to have been born in Kenya

    EGGGZACKLY.

    But point it out and you’re a racist demonizing “teh WON”.


  119. 119 | January 17, 2013 10:33 am

    @ Rodan:

    As the Occupests have learned. It was the same wy when I went to college. I had an advisor tell me that it didn’t matter what kind of degree I got so long as I got one. This is only true if you plan on going into government. There are jobs with the Feds that require a degree, but don’t require a skillset to come with it. My undergraduate degree wasn’t a complete wast of time. I learned a lot about law and the courts and such, and I learned a lot of political theory (not just Marxism) that pays off when I am listening to politicians. I learned to study, a skill I didn’t learn in public schools, and that paid off with a 4.0 when I went back for my computer degree. If I had it to do over, well, I’d join the Marines and get a real-world education before I attempted college.


  120. 120 | January 17, 2013 10:35 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    JFK was an FDR liberal. JFK would have never escalated the idiotic war in Vietnam. If you want to compare a president to LBJ, it is George W Bush, who you and everyone else here voted for twice.

    JFK cut taxes and was pro Business. He was a staunch anti-Communist, whereas FDR was soft on the Commies.

    JFK was a man of the Right, not the Left.


  121. RIX
    121 | January 17, 2013 10:35 am

    @ mskelly:
    And Obama kept doing a fan dance with his birth certificate.
    By the way where are the transcripts & Law Review articles?
    I always found that more interesting.


  122. 122 | January 17, 2013 10:38 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I would have joined the Army if I had to do it all over again. But I was caught up too much in the Street thing and did not like Clinton’s foreign policy. I regret my youthful Ideologicalness.


  123. 123 | January 17, 2013 10:38 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yup all for the Hipsters.


  124. 124 | January 17, 2013 10:43 am

    @ RIX:

    I’d like to know his SAT score. I bet mine was higher.


  125. Chris Matthews
    125 | January 17, 2013 10:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I’d like to know his SAT score. I bet mine was higher.

    You are racist for questioning the intellect of the perfect man!


  126. heysoos
  127. citizen_q
    127 | January 17, 2013 10:46 am

    Chris Matthews wrote:

    You are racist for questioning the intellect of the perfect man!

    Who said anything about moe-ham-head?


  128. theoutsider
    128 | January 17, 2013 10:48 am

    @ Rodan:
    JFK cut taxes. He cut the top rate to 70%. He and every president since then have been staunchly anti-communist. FDR did have to make a deal with Stalin in WW2 to win the War. We won. The communists are nearly extinct.


  129. buzzsawmonkey
    129 | January 17, 2013 10:48 am

    @ heysoos:

    National Proggie Radio had a thing this morning on the school bus strike, concentrating of course on the brave struggles of the mothers to get their kiddies to school. They profiled a disabled kid with cerebral palsy, in keeping with the Lefty habit of finding the extreme and personalizing it.

    Not a word about—let alone against—the union bus drivers, of course. Over at WeaselZippers they had something a few days ago about how it costs the city something like $6900 per kid per year to bus a kid to school under the former union contract.


  130. citizen_q
    130 | January 17, 2013 10:49 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I’d like to know his SAT score. I bet mine was higher.

    I find the subject of how a mediocre student got into Ivy league schools and the sources of financing his education more interesting.


  131. RIX
    131 | January 17, 2013 10:49 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I’d like to know his SAT score. I bet mine was higher.

    Bet that you’re right.


  132. buzzsawmonkey
    132 | January 17, 2013 10:49 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    The communists are nearly extinct.

    “Nearly extinct?” They are running our government.


  133. 133 | January 17, 2013 10:51 am

    @ theoutsider:

    The communists are nearly extinct.

    Really, the Democrat Party is a coalition of Black Nazis, White Supremacists, Globalists and Communists. The communists are still around in your party.


  134. 134 | January 17, 2013 10:51 am

    @ Rodan:

    Our community college system in California used to have GREAT 2-year programs where you could either get a trade certificate or an Associate’s degree. And it used to be FREE. Now it costs more to attend it for two years as it cost me to do four years at Cal.


  135. heysoos
    135 | January 17, 2013 10:52 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    National Proggie Radio had a thing this morning on the school bus strike, concentrating of course on the brave struggles of the mothers to get their kiddies to school. They profiled a disabled kid with cerebral palsy, in keeping with the Lefty habit of finding the extreme and personalizing it.
    Not a word about—let alone against—the union bus drivers, of course. Over at WeaselZippers they had something a few days ago about how it costs the city something like $6900 per kid per year to bus a kid to school under the former union contract.

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    National Proggie Radio had a thing this morning on the school bus strike, concentrating of course on the brave struggles of the mothers to get their kiddies to school. They profiled a disabled kid with cerebral palsy, in keeping with the Lefty habit of finding the extreme and personalizing it.
    Not a word about—let alone against—the union bus drivers, of course. Over at WeaselZippers they had something a few days ago about how it costs the city something like $6900 per kid per year to bus a kid to school under the former union contract.

    the union ain’t talkin…but it sounds like that union won’t be hauling kids much longer…public service unions are on the ropes…
    and there is growth in manufacturing but union shops are still closing up…private sector business is catching the drift


  136. RIX
    136 | January 17, 2013 10:52 am

    @ citizen_q:
    By Obamas own admission he was stoned & drunk most of the
    time in high school with poor grades.
    Yet he got an academic scholarship to Occidental College?


  137. 137 | January 17, 2013 10:53 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    You can thank the Education Industrial Complex for that.


  138. heysoos
    138 | January 17, 2013 10:55 am

    when the feds got into the student loan racket, tuition skyrocketed…they and the students have been getting soaked ever since


  139. lobo91
    139 | January 17, 2013 10:56 am

    @ theoutsider:

    The communists are nearly extinct.

    They just changed their names. Now they call themselves progressives, or democratic socialists.


  140. buzzsawmonkey
    140 | January 17, 2013 10:56 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Our community college system in California used to have GREAT 2-year programs where you could either get a trade certificate or an Associate’s degree. And it used to be FREE. Now it costs more to attend it for two years as it cost me to do four years at Ca

    The NYC college system, which was the envy of the world, was absolutely free until the 1960s. Admission was based entirely on merit; if you qualified, you got a top-level college education at no charge. At that point, the burgeoning student-radical movement, together with the Leftist “human-rights” degeneration of the Civil Rights Movement, demanded that the university system switch to open admissions. It was “racist,” you see, to restrict admission on a merit basis.

    You can have free education with merit-based admissions, or you can have open admissions—but you can’t have free open admissions. They went with open admissions, and something like half of the classes are now remedial. The value of a CUNY degree has plummeted, cost of tuition keeps going up (and the students keep complaining).


  141. 141 | January 17, 2013 10:56 am

    @ Rodan:

    And the illegals flooding our system and draining our resources here in California.


  142. 142 | January 17, 2013 10:57 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Plus the Hipster freeloaders.


  143. buzzsawmonkey
    143 | January 17, 2013 10:57 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    And the illegals flooding our system and draining our resources here in California.

    ?Donde esta mi queso del gobierno?


  144. Speranza
    144 | January 17, 2013 10:57 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I’ve no doubt he is an American however it is the Left who keeps the birther issue going, not the Right.

    But too many on the Right keep falling for this trap. They always seek a magic bullet to undue Obama.

    Yeah they get played like the proverbial fiddle.


  145. 145 | January 17, 2013 10:59 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Cal’s CC system was designed so that anyone with a high school diploma could get themselves a free education -- you did have to take placement tests, but there were “remedial” classes if you didn’t score high enough. And every single county had one -- some with two and three branches if they were large (such as San Bernardino). Now it’s needed to make up for the abysmal education our kids get in high school.

    In fact it’s so bad at the CC system now that several of them have lost their accreditation -- ours in Solano County did for a time and I think even San Francisco City College has lost theirs.


  146. Speranza
    146 | January 17, 2013 10:59 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    JFK was an FDR liberal. JFK would have never escalated the idiotic war in Vietnam. If you want to compare a president to LBJ, it is George W Bush, who you and everyone else here voted for twice.

    Are you kidding me? JFK ran on a “missile gap” platform against Nixon -- which was false. He was an ardent cold warrior.


  147. 147 | January 17, 2013 11:00 am

    @ lobo91:

    When Obama was elected in 2008, I will never forget the crowd in front of the White House waving Communist Flags and Che pictures.


  148. Speranza
    148 | January 17, 2013 11:00 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yup if you acquire a skill, you get a job. Getting a degree in Transgender Studies will not get you a job.

    No it will get you a job as a hostess at Starbucks in the East Village.


  149. theoutsider
    149 | January 17, 2013 11:01 am

    @ Rodan:
    You were@ Rodan:
    Explain to me where all of those people are? I’ve never met any of them.


  150. 150 | January 17, 2013 11:01 am

    @ Speranza:

    Of course, nobody mentions that it was supporters of Hillary Clinton that first raised the issue during the primary season in 2008.


  151. Speranza
    151 | January 17, 2013 11:01 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    theoutsider wrote:
    JFK would have never escalated the idiotic war in Vietnam.

    Nonsense. He got us into it in the first place—and it was his advisors, whom LBJ kept, that were behind the escalation.

    Correctamundo. The “Best and the Brightest” i.e Robert McNamara, McGeorge Bundy, et al all came from JFK’s administration.


  152. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | January 17, 2013 11:01 am

    Speranza wrote:

    No it will get you a job as a hostess at Starbucks in the East Village.

    Or, possibly, a host. Your choice.


  153. 153 | January 17, 2013 11:01 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Where in San Fran are the Hipsters congregated in, Berkley?


  154. RIX
    154 | January 17, 2013 11:02 am

    I wonder if Manti Te’o & Ludwig ever double dated with
    the girlfriends?


  155. heysoos
    155 | January 17, 2013 11:02 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You were@ Rodan:
    Explain to me where all of those people are? I’ve never met any of them.

    explain to me how much debt is too much


  156. theoutsider
    156 | January 17, 2013 11:03 am

    @ Rodan:
    Pictures? Didn’t think so.


  157. 157 | January 17, 2013 11:03 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You were@ Rodan:
    Explain to me where all of those people are? I’ve never met any of them.

    They are in your party but you refuse to see the truth. There are elements of the Republican party I don’t like. The difference between you and I is that I am intellectually honest and call them out. You on the other hand make excuses for your side.


  158. 158 | January 17, 2013 11:03 am

    RIX wrote:

    I wonder if Manti Te’o & Ludwig ever double dated with
    the girlfriends?

    :lol:


  159. citizen_q
    159 | January 17, 2013 11:04 am

    @ RIX:
    Precisely.

    I have read articles discussing a muslim convert whose new muslime name was mansour who facilitated comrade zero access by getting people he knew who were large donors to write letters or reccomendation. I think mansour also helped zero get some saudi funding.

    Did a quick google search and found the following article that speaks to what I was alluding to. I can’t speak to its veracity, so as with much on the net take it with a grain of salt, and maybe if your are interested try to find second sources.

    The Saudi Agent Behind Barack Obama -- Khalid Al Mansour


  160. Speranza
    160 | January 17, 2013 11:04 am

    Rodan wrote:

    JFK cut taxes and was pro Business.

    JFK cut taxes across the board, something that Richard Nixon NEVER did. But then again we are prohibited on this blog by the rules of engagement from talking about Nixon because he has been out of office since August 1974.


  161. 161 | January 17, 2013 11:04 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Pictures? Didn’t think so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K5_orMQRY


  162. 162 | January 17, 2013 11:05 am

    @ Rodan:

    South of Market, probably. It’s where the clubs are. You have to remember this is an entire city that thinks they’re all still in the 20′s and the 60′s have never left.

    Berkeley is still pretty much old hippies and Cal students that never left. You can still buy tie-dye there by the ton.


  163. 163 | January 17, 2013 11:05 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Pictures? Didn’t think so.

    Here’s more.

    http://expreacherman.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/obama-commie-flag.jpg?w=500

    Want to stay in denial?


  164. buzzsawmonkey
    164 | January 17, 2013 11:06 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Correctamundo. The “Best and the Brightest” i.e Robert McNamara, McGeorge Bundy, et al all came from JFK’s administration.

    Oh, me name is McNamara, I’m the best and brightest too
    Because I went to Harvard, be sure I know what to do
    I crafted policies so we could lose in Vietnam
    I was the first indication Harvard degrees are a scam


  165. 165 | January 17, 2013 11:06 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    South of Market, probably. It’s where the clubs are. You have to remember this is an entire city that thinks they’re all still in the 20′s and the 60′s have never left.
    Berkeley is still pretty much old hippies and Cal students that never left. You can still buy tie-dye there by the ton.

    So San Fran is basically a Hipster run town then.


  166. heysoos
    166 | January 17, 2013 11:06 am

    Rodan wrote:

    theoutsider wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Pictures? Didn’t think so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K5_orMQRY

    what a bunch of bots…makes me want to hurl


  167. Speranza
    167 | January 17, 2013 11:07 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    South of Market, probably. It’s where the clubs are. You have to remember this is an entire city that thinks they’re all still in the 20′s and the 60′s have never left.
    Berkeley is still pretty much old hippies and Cal students that never left. You can still buy tie-dye there by the ton.

    Heh they probably have some leisure suits and wide ties and wide lapels on their polysester suits still in their closets.


  168. RIX
    168 | January 17, 2013 11:08 am

    There was a lot of myth surrounding JFK. Jackie kennedy actually coined Camelot.
    He was a compulsive womanizer even with a mob plant.
    After his death Kenneth O’Donnell said that after his reelection he would have
    pulled out of Viet Nam. Really?
    Having said all of that I did like him.


  169. citizen_q
    169 | January 17, 2013 11:08 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    muslime

    LOL! My Freudian slip is showing.


  170. Speranza
    170 | January 17, 2013 11:09 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I was the first indication Harvard degrees are a scam

    The geniuses who gave us the 2008 financial meltdown all got their MBA’s from Columbia, Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Stanford Schools of Business.


  171. buzzsawmonkey
    171 | January 17, 2013 11:09 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    The Saudi Agent Behind Barack Obama — Khalid Al Mansour

    Ex-Black Panther convert to Islam. Look at him with Vernon Jarrett’s article from the 1970s in mind—yes, that Vernon Jarrett, pal of Frank Marshall Davis and Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law—about how radical American blacks should make common cause with the Arabs in general and Saudis in particular.


  172. 172 | January 17, 2013 11:10 am

    @ Rodan:

    It’s gotten worse over the years. They have elected a conservative mayor, if you could call him that -- Frank Jordan. But that was more a response to the Homeless Problem and he only lasted one term. Since then it’s been mayor after mayor (especially that shyster con man Willie Brown) who has let the City slide into sewer category. Oh and as info, Willie Brown really believed that HE would be the first Black Democrat Presidential candidate. Unfortunately, he was, shall we say, advised that there were an awful lot of people who had some real dirt on him.


  173. 173 | January 17, 2013 11:10 am

    @ RIX:

    I don’t think JFK would have escalated Vietnam. He was not a nation builder like LBJ. The irony of history is that George W. Bush was more of a LBJ Democrat than he was a Reagan Republican.


  174. 174 | January 17, 2013 11:11 am

    @ Speranza:

    Polyester and white shoes? In San Francisco? NEVAH!!


  175. Speranza
    175 | January 17, 2013 11:11 am

    RIX wrote:

    There was a lot of myth surrounding JFK. Jackie kennedy actually coined Camelot.
    He was a compulsive womanizer even with a mob plant.
    After his death Kenneth O’Donnell said that after his reelection he would have
    pulled out of Viet Nam. Really?
    Having said all of that I did like him.

    Jackie conned Theodore White (who later regretted using the term “Camelot”) into calling the JFK administration “Camelot”. Actually the term used during JFK’s time was “The New Frontier”. JFK was a prodigious womanizer and had a girlfriend Judith Campbell who also was shacking up with Sam Giancanna a big mafia chieftain.


  176. Speranza
    176 | January 17, 2013 11:12 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Polyester and white shoes? In San Francisco? NEVAH!!

    Sorry. Probably tie dyed jeans.


  177. 177 | January 17, 2013 11:12 am

    New Thread.


  178. 178 | January 17, 2013 11:13 am

    @ Speranza:

    There you go. My BART train every night is filled with the smell of Patchouli as they go back to their homes in Berkeley.


  179. Speranza
    179 | January 17, 2013 11:13 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    It’s gotten worse over the years. They have elected a conservative mayor, if you could call him that — Frank Jordan. But that was more a response to the Homeless Problem and he only lasted one term. Since then it’s been mayor after mayor (especially that shyster con man Willie Brown) who has let the City slide into sewer category. Oh and as info, Willie Brown really believed that HE would be the first Black Democrat Presidential candidate. Unfortunately, he was, shall we say, advised that there were an awful lot of people who had some real dirt on him.

    Willie Brown actually seemed to me to be (putting aside his politics) a nice guy when I have seen him on TV.


  180. buzzsawmonkey
    180 | January 17, 2013 11:13 am

    RIX wrote:

    Jackie kennedy actually coined Camelot.

    Not a big stretch The musical “Camelot,” based on the book “The Once and Future King” was a big hit at the time.


  181. Speranza
    181 | January 17, 2013 11:14 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Jackie kennedy actually coined Camelot.

    Not a big stretch The musical “Camelot,” based on the book “The Once and Future King” was a big hit at the time.

    She claimed it was JFK’s favorite song. Jackie wanted to deify JFK.


  182. coldwarrior
    182 | January 17, 2013 11:14 am

    Rodan wrote:

    theoutsider wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Pictures? Didn’t think so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K5_orMQRY

    if you force feed facts to trolls, they cry.

    why are you so mean to trolls?


  183. Speranza
    183 | January 17, 2013 11:16 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    There you go. My BART train every night is filled with the smell of Patchouli as they go back to their homes in Berkeley.

    Most of the beautiful buildings in San Francisco were erected when George Christopher (a Republican) was mayor in the 1950′s.


  184. citizen_q
    184 | January 17, 2013 11:17 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Unfortunately, he was, shall we say, advised that there were an awful lot of people who had some real dirt on him.

    Dirt and apparently a lack of powerful enough allies?

    Look at comrade zero. Full disclosure and abstract affirmative action, who the hell would hire him, much less elect him president. I doubt he would qualify for the lowest level security clearance.


  185. RIX
    185 | January 17, 2013 11:18 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Jackie kennedy actually coined Camelot.

    Not a big stretch The musical “Camelot,” based on the book “The Once and Future King” was a big hit at the time.

    It was.


  186. 187 | January 17, 2013 11:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    Hey, where did the “non-troll” troll go?


  187. Speranza
    188 | January 17, 2013 1:10 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Hey, where did the “non-troll” troll go?

    Probably to get a Starbucks latte.


  188. Speranza
    189 | January 17, 2013 1:10 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    @ theoutsider:
    Picture of commie flags waving ouside of the whitehouse after oBozo won.

    The Gazans were happy.


  189. Speranza
    190 | January 17, 2013 1:11 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Look at comrade zero. Full disclosure and abstract affirmative action, who the hell would hire him, much less elect him president. I doubt he would qualify for the lowest level security clearance.

    It is a lot easier when the popular culture is in your back pocket.


  190. Lily
    191 | January 17, 2013 1:58 pm

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    JFK was an FDR liberal. JFK would have never escalated the idiotic war in Vietnam. If you want to compare a president to LBJ, it is George W Bush, who you and everyone else here voted for twice.

    This makes no sense at all. And you don’t know how any of us voted unless we told you who we voted for. JFK was not like FDR. You need to do better with your reading skills and history.


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