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The Republican party is ideologically sound — it’s just not very persuasive; Republicans have a messaging problem

by Speranza ( 250 Comments › )
Filed under Conservatism, Elections 2012, Liberal Fascism, Mitt Romney, Politics, Progressives, Republican Party, Tea Parties, The Political Right at January 17th, 2013 - 2:00 pm

What bothers me the most about the past GOP primaries was that two of the more successful and qualified governors Mitt Romney and Rick Perry felt the need to be something that they were not – hard core social cons instead of the  pragmatic center-right people that they are.  Romney’s advisers  admitted that it was a mistake to do that.

http://www.ibtimes.com/romney-adviser-admits-we-were-wrong-immigration-917793

An immigration strategy that helped Mitt Romney win the Republican primary likely cost him in the general election, a top adviser admitted in a postmortem.

In audio of a Harvard panel released on Monday morning, a group of top Romney strategists dissect the reasons their candidate fell short. At one point, someone in the audience asks whether the hard-line immigration positions Romney took during the primaries may have damaged his standing among the general electorate.

“I regret that,” campaign chief Matt Rhoades said after a pause.

by Jonah Goldberg

It’s hard for a lot of people, particularly on the right, to recognize that the conservative movement’s problems are mostly problems of success. But the Republican party’s problems are much more recognizable as the problems of failure, including the failure to recognize the limits of that movement’s success.

American conservatism began as a kind of intellectual hobbyists’ group with little hope of changing the broader society. Albert Jay Nock, the cape-wearing libertarian intellectual — he called himself a “philosophical anarchist” — who inspired a very young William F. Buckley Jr., argued that political change was impossible because the masses were rubes, goons, fools, or sheep, victims of the eternal tendency of the powerful to exploit the powerless.

Buckley, who rightly admired Nock for many things, rightly disagreed on this point. Buckley trusted the people more than the intellectuals. [.......]

It took time. In an age when conservative books make millions, it’s hard to imagine how difficult it once was to get a right-of-center book published. Henry L. Regnery, the founder of the publishing house that bears his name, started his venture to break the wall of groupthink censorship surrounding the publishing industry. With a few exceptions, Regnery was the only game in town for decades.

That’s hardly the case anymore. While there’s a higher bar for conservative authors at mainstream publishers (which remain overwhelmingly liberal), profit tends to trump ideology.

[.......] It’s only in the legacy institutions — newspapers, the broadcast networks, and most especially academia and Hollywood — that conservatism is still largely frozen out. Nonetheless, conservatism is a mass-market enterprise these days, for good and for ill.

The good is obvious. The ill is less understood. For starters, the movement has an unhealthy share of hucksters eager to make money from stirring rage, paranoia, and an ill-defined sense of betrayal with little concern for the real political success that can come only with persuading the unconverted.

A conservative journalist or activist can now make a decent living while never once bothering to persuade a liberal. Telling people only what they want to hear has become a vocation. [.......] Many liberals lived in such an ideological cocoon for decades, which is one reason conservatives won so many arguments early on. Having the right emulate that echo chamber helps no one.

Ironically, the institution in which conservatives had their greatest success is the one most besieged by conservatives today: the Republican party. To listen to many grassroots conservatives, the GOP establishment is a cabal of weak-kneed sellouts who regularly light votive candles to a poster of liberal Republican icon Nelson Rockefeller.

This is not only not true, it’s a destructive myth. The Rockefeller Republicans were purged from the GOP decades ago. Their high-water mark was in 1960, when the Goldwater insurgency was temporarily crushed. Richard Nixon agreed to run on a platform all but dictated by Rockefeller and to tap Rockefeller’s minion Henry Cabot Lodge as his running mate. When the forebears of today’s tea partiers threatened to stay home or bolt the party in 1960, Senator Barry Goldwater proclaimed, “Let’s grow up, conservatives!”

It’s still good advice. It’s not that the GOP isn’t conservative enough, it’s that it isn’t tactically smart or persuasive enough to move the rest of the nation in a more conservative direction. Moreover, thanks in part to the myth that all that stands between conservatives and total victory is a philosophically pure GOP, party leaders suffer from a debilitating lack of trust — some of it well earned — from the rank and file.

But politics is about persuasion, and a party consumed by the need to prove its purity to its base is going to have a very hard time proving anything else to the rest of the country.

Read the rest – The myth of an impure GOP


Rodan Addendum: Republicans have a messaging problem

The Republican Party’s messaging is so bad, it could not even explain how to use a toilet seat. The cowardly Establishment wants the Progressive Media to accept it. Purists refuse to adapt to the electorate or accept new ideas.. This is pure dysfunction which enables the Obama Regime to run circles around the GOP.

The Republican party has a serious problem, and it’s not that the party isn’t conservative enough. The problem is that Americans are having a hard time understanding what we stand for and whom we represent. Put plainly, it is an identity crisis.

This identity crisis recently almost cost John Boehner his speakership. Those who voted against him — and those who planned to vote against him — did so because they feel that the GOP is being pushed in a direction that requires abandonment of their conservative principles. They went to Congress to defend these principles, not compromise them.

[....]

While many will argue that these deals were meant to ensure that Republicans would not be seen as “mean and nasty,” they destroyed Republican credibility. And herein lies the problem: Boehner is more concerned with the media’s perception of the party than with the actual integrity of the party’s philosophy.

Republicans like him are willing to be “Democrat-Lite” as long as they believe it will allow them to keep sitting at the table of power. However, this theory is counterproductive in the advancement of conservative principles — something the GOP should have learned in the Bush years of “compassionate conservatism,” when Bush and Cheney were no less vilified. Did they forget the pummeling we took in 2006 and 2008?

The national Republican Party needs message discipline and find a way to communicate directly to the American people.

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  1. Da_Beerfreak
    1 | January 17, 2013 2:17 pm

    The primary system is broken. Nothing will change until it has been repaired.


  2. Speranza
    2 | January 17, 2013 2:21 pm

    There is no reason why Republican primaries should be open to non registered Republicans. Also there need to be runoffs if nobody gets 50% of the vote.


  3. 3 | January 17, 2013 2:23 pm

    Republicans need to hire a PR firm. Instead of having all these useless PACS, they should emulate OFA and start recruiting local people in communities that can persuade people to vote for them I also thing a name change is in order. Republican has become a scarlet letter.


  4. 4 | January 17, 2013 2:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    There is no reason why Republican primaries should be open to non registered Republicans. Also there need to be runoffs if nobody gets 50% of the vote.

    I agree, we need a runoff system. Also with regards to Presidential Primaries, Iowa and New Hampshire should NOT go first. Instead we should do a system of states from different geographic areas going on the same day.


  5. 5 | January 17, 2013 2:25 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The primary system is broken. Nothing will change until it has been repaired.

    Totally agree.


  6. Speranza
    6 | January 17, 2013 2:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I agree, we need a runoff system. Also with regards to Presidential Primaries, Iowa and New Hampshire should NOT go first. Instead we should do a system of states from different geographic areas going on the same day.

    Iowa does not even vote Republican for president in the general election.


  7. 7 | January 17, 2013 2:29 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Republican has been around for 150+ years. If the Democrat Party could survive being the Party of the South in the Civil War, the Party of Segregation during Civil Rights, and the Party of Government at a time when spending is beyond out of control, the Republican Party can survive Bush. The problem is one, as you say, of messaging. It is also a problem with the culture, though. Low information voters hven’t yet begun to feel enough pain from their actions and the actions of government in their name to statrt to care enough to actually break out of the low information path. OWS is a perfect example. They were upset that they had worthless degrees, but instead of blaming (and maybe suing) the Colleges that have essentially defrauded them, they blame the businesses that won’t hire them because their degrees in trangendered studies are worthless. UNtil they hurt enough to begin learning, nothing will change with them. A paramicium quickly learns to flinch away from the needle, but low info voters aren’t generally as bright as a paamicium. They’re going to take a lot more pain to convince.


  8. Speranza
    8 | January 17, 2013 2:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Republicans need to hire a PR firm. Instead of having all these useless PACS, they should emulate OFA and start recruiting local people in communities that can persuade people to vote for them I also thing a name change is in order. Republican has become a scarlet letter.

    Matt Rhoades and Stuart Stevens were frankly incompetent nincompoops. Trying to suck up to the Rick Santorum loyalists cost him in the general election.


  9. lobo91
    9 | January 17, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The caucuses need to be done away with, as well. Especially in Iowa, where Obama showed how easy it is to game the system in 2008.


  10. Speranza
    10 | January 17, 2013 2:31 pm

    I am not the huge Rush Limbaugh fan that so many people here are but Limbaugh did say something prescient during the primaries when looking at the Romney ads attacking Gingrich he said “You can bet that he will never run those type of ads against Obama”.


  11. Speranza
    11 | January 17, 2013 2:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I agree, we need a runoff system. Also with regards to Presidential Primaries, Iowa and New Hampshire should NOT go first. Instead we should do a system of states from different geographic areas going on the same day.

    A runoff system would have spared us Sharron Angle and Todd Akins.


  12. Lily
    12 | January 17, 2013 2:33 pm

    I think a lot of things are broken. For one the media was so in the bag for obama…how do you change that? Obama made sure this was a divided nation going into the election…and no matter how poorly obama did it didn’t change the minds of Americans voting for him. Right now I do believe we are dealing with a very unusual person…called obama….not sure how you defeat him ( and honestly that ship has sailed ..he got re-elected). Right now it is damage control and Congress is basically spine-less here especially with obama ruling by decree and EO’s and ignoring Congress all together. That is the reality we are dealing with now. We can’t change the last election. And the number one problem with the last election was obama. Plain and simple. Right now I would like to see someone standing up against him!!! It is getting to the point of insanity letting him run rogue and no one, not the press, not the different parts of government …no one is doing anything!


  13. 13 | January 17, 2013 2:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The caucuses need to be done away with, as well. Especially in Iowa, where Obama showed how easy it is to game the system in 2008.

    Yup, Caucuses allow the Dems to infiltrate and play Havoc.


  14. Lily
    14 | January 17, 2013 2:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The caucuses need to be done away with, as well. Especially in Iowa, where Obama showed how easy it is to game the system in 2008.

    That’s another problem….gaming the system. Ignoring the law when it is being broken.


  15. 15 | January 17, 2013 2:36 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They were upset that they had worthless degrees, but instead of blaming (and maybe suing) the Colleges that have essentially defrauded them,

    This is an issue Republicans should jump on. We should take on The Education Industrial Complex and push Community Colleges that teach skills. This is really a winning issue. The only one I see talking about this is Rubio.


  16. lobo91
    16 | January 17, 2013 2:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    The caucuses need to be done away with, as well. Especially in Iowa, where Obama showed how easy it is to game the system in 2008.
    Yup, Caucuses allow the Dems to infiltrate and play Havoc.

    In 2008, the Obama campaign bused people in from Illinois to take advantage of Iowa’s same-day voter registration. Those fraudulent voters were then able to swamp the caucuses and steal the state from Hillary Clinton.


  17. 17 | January 17, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Exactly In Nevada Lowden or Trakanian would have beaten Reid. In Missouri Steelman or Brunner would have beaten McCaskill.


  18. Da_Beerfreak
    18 | January 17, 2013 2:38 pm

    A primary election is a party function and must be limited to only the membership of that party if it is to have any real merit in selecting the party’s candidate. With open primaries there really is no reason to have parties since an open primary is not a genuine party function.


  19. 19 | January 17, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes, you have to be willing to take the fight to the enemy to win. Romney left so much on the table that he didn’t have to. I think it was partially because he didn’t believe it. Take the gun control issue. People are now rightly concerned about what Barack Obama will do on the issue, but Romney made a point of not making a point of that before the election. Yes, he went and spoke to the NRA, and he gave a good speech, but what else did he do? He did the same with taxes. Obama ran on a platform of raising taxes. Romney should have made his appeal against the Tax-and-Spend Democrats. Such an appeal would have been factual, and might would have benefited not merely himself, but the down-ticket races where things were close. I could go on. Romney never fought against Obama half as hard as he fought against Perry or Gingrich. What is worse is that he never had any intention of doing so even while he was engaging in scorched earth tactics against his Republican rivals.


  20. 20 | January 17, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Obama stole the Dem nod for Hillary. I bet you any amount that in 2016, He will be behind his “brutha” Deval patrick who will steal it again from Hillary or O’Malley.

    I would not be shocked if OFA played havoc with the GOP in 2012 as well.


  21. lobo91
    21 | January 17, 2013 2:40 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    A primary election is a party function and must be limited to only the membership of that party if it is to have any real merit in selecting the party’s candidate. With open primaries there really is no reason to have parties since an open primary is not a genuine party function.

    The worst situation is what they have in California, where there’s only 1 primary. The top two candidates go on the general election ballot.

    If it ends up being 2 Democrats, that’s just how it goes.


  22. buzzsawmonkey
    22 | January 17, 2013 2:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Republicans need to hire a PR firm.

    The problem with Romney—and with Perry—was that they hired campaign consultants, and believed them and followed their advice.

    I’ve said before, and will say again, that Perry should have shown up at the debates in a cowboy shirt and boots, and jeans, and gotten off a couple of yee-haws. He’d have been completely relaxed, would have come across as genuine, and would have wowed people simply because he wasn’t another blue-suited cipher.

    Instead, he buckled himself physically and mentally into his Sunday-go-to-meetin’ suit, looked like an uncomfortable hired hand, and his brain shut down—because he followed his consultants’ advice to try and out-Romney Romney. So he went down in flames.

    If Romney had hired Bill Whittle to run his campaign he would have trounced Obama. Whittle’s enunciation of Romney’s message was far better than anything Romney uttered. Romney ran a Cautious Campaign—and we can see how well that turned out.

    It’s not a PR firm the Republicans need; they have to find their soul first. If they don’t, any money on PR is money thrown away, because they won’t know what to tell the PR firm to promote.


  23. 23 | January 17, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Romney never fought against Obama half as hard as he fought against Perry or Gingrich. What is worse is that he never had any intention of doing so even while he was engaging in scorched earth tactics against his Republican rivals

    .

    That was the problem with Romney. I did not see any Romney ads until late September here in Florida. The ones he ran were a joke. There is part of me that belives Tag Romney that his dad was not serious.


  24. 24 | January 17, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    If it ends up being 2 Democrats, that’s just how it goes.

    Marxist Democrat vs. Socialist Democrat! Great choice, huh?


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    25 | January 17, 2013 2:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Romney left so much on the table that he didn’t have to.

    He needed his own catchphrases, endlessly repeated, the way Obama did with “millionaires and billionaires” and “fair share.”

    That he did not do this—and that his consultants didn’t insist on it—shows they were clueless.


  26. Lily
    26 | January 17, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Speaking to someone who did vote for obama …..they said there was this huge uproar in obama’s first four years about him going for the 2nd Amendment and guess what he didn’t.
    They didn’t see Fast and Furious for what it was and with obama failing in the first four years at his grab at the 2nd Amendment actually helped him get re-elected and be more successful at his grab for the guns.


  27. 27 | January 17, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It’s not a PR firm the Republicans need; they have to find their soul first.

    That is so true!


  28. 28 | January 17, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ Lily:

    Exactly. Fox is ONE Sunday morning show and it’s on cable. ABC, CBS, and NBC all have morning shows, on the channels people are watching on Sunday morning getting ready to watch sports. All you have to do is hear Bob Schieffer’s ridiculous, partisan comments after Obama’s Broadway Show yesterday to see why there will never be honest debate on the networks.

    In case you missed it, Schieffer compared Obama going after the NRA to getting the Nazi’s in WWII and the killing of Osama bin Laden -- more specically, as something it should be easier for him to do.


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | January 17, 2013 2:44 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    CG—did you see my message to you in the last thread?


  30. citizen_q
    30 | January 17, 2013 2:45 pm

    Guess I am a bit of a Luddite. Or maybe its a combination of my IT background and growing mistrust of government, but I don’t trust that the votes I cast via electronic ballot are actually counted.

    Maybe I just need a better tin-foil hat.


  31. 31 | January 17, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ Lily:

    Tell them the same thing I tell anyone who informs me that guns shouldn’t be allowed and the Second Amendment should be repealed. “Put a big “This Home is Gun Free” sign in front of your house tonight when you get home. Because that is exactly what would happen.”

    I don’t know what it is about libturds that they harbor the ridiculous belief that criminals buy them at Cabellas and Bass Pro Shop like the rest of us.


  32. lobo91
    32 | January 17, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    In case you missed it, Schieffer compared Obama going after the NRA to getting the Nazi’s in WWII and the killing of Osama bin Laden — more specically, as something it should be easier for him to do.

    Tom Brokaw compared it to the Civil Rights movement of the ’60s.


  33. 33 | January 17, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’ll go check right now, Buzzy!


  34. 34 | January 17, 2013 2:46 pm

    The RNC should hire people on this blog for their next campaign

    Iron Fist knows how to get the base motivated, I know how to get Hispanics, Asians over and Younger voters, Speranza can get Independents and Urban/Suburban Voters and Lobo can get Military/Gun Right type. Buzzsaw can provide messaging advise.

    But it will never happen!

    :-(


  35. 35 | January 17, 2013 2:46 pm

    @ lobo91:
    You see Gibs saying that OFA will crush the NRA?


  36. lobo91
    36 | January 17, 2013 2:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    You see Gibs saying that OFA will crush the NRA?

    Wishful thinking.


  37. Da_Beerfreak
    37 | January 17, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Easing the way for the one party state.

    Liberals all over the Country are working very hard on election reforms that will insure them complete control in the coming years… :evil:


  38. citizen_q
    38 | January 17, 2013 2:50 pm

    O/T but….

    Hooded ‘Muslim Patrol’ vigilantes remove alcohol from drinkers and tell women to cover up as they stalk London suburb

    Police are investigating reports a gang claiming to be Islamic vigilantes have been confronting members of the public and demanding they give up alcohol and women cover their flesh in their ‘Muslim area’.

    The hooded men, who call themselves Muslim Patrol, have been filmed walking London’s streets and calling white women ‘naked animals with no self respect.’

    The group is also shown taking ‘evil’ booze from revellers and film a cyclist being treated after a road accident, claiming they were injured because they were unclean.

    In one exchange a member of the group says: ‘We don’t care if you are appalled at all’, before calling themselves ‘vigilantes implementing Islam upon your own necks’.

    They have uploaded videos to their YouTube channel with the most recent three-minute clip causing a stir online.

    ‘The Truth About Saturday Night’, which was uploaded on Sunday, has already been viewed more than 42,000 times.

    Scotland Yard says it is investigating.

    It was shot on a mobile phone at night in what the Met say is Waltham Forest, London, with a number of men seen shouting ‘this is a Muslim area’ towards white Britons they’ve confronted.

    Yeah, Scotland Yard is investigating. /


  39. 39 | January 17, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I was stunned at how confident he was.


  40. 40 | January 17, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The Republicans don’t seem to understand the value of propaganda. The Left certainly does. That is how you go after the low information voters. You have to connect with them emotionally, because they aren’t going to waste a minute thinking about things. You need to stay factual. The MFM will eat a Republican who lies alive (Democrats, of course, get a pass on this one), but if they can’t debate your facts, they are pushed back to relying on “common sense”, which means “Agree with me, or you are a poopyhead!” Sure, that’ll still appeal to some of those low info voters, but emphasize how it is Obama coming after their rights. How it is Obama that raised their taxes. How it is Obama economic policies that have them unemployed. And do so constantly. One of my biggest gripes with the GOP is that they act like these “games” are beneath them. It’s called politics, goddamnit. If you don’t want to fight to win, get out of the way.


  41. 41 | January 17, 2013 2:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Amazing, isn’t it -- the ACLU is all about the people, but they don’t get that the NRA is just as much a civil rights organization. Probably better, since they aren’t trying to INFRINGE on Second Amendment rights.

    Okay, I suddenly want onion rings.


  42. Lily
    42 | January 17, 2013 2:52 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Exactly. Fox is ONE Sunday morning show and it’s on cable. ABC, CBS, and NBC all have morning shows, on the channels people are watching on Sunday morning getting ready to watch sports. All you have to do is hear Bob Schieffer’s ridiculous, partisan comments after Obama’s Broadway Show yesterday to see why there will never be honest debate on the networks.
    In case you missed it, Schieffer compared Obama going after the NRA to getting the Nazi’s in WWII and the killing of Osama bin Laden — more specically, as something it should be easier for him to do.

    The sad part is that people are behind whatever is being force fed to them!! Not sure how one combats this. But I don’t think more sound bites or better campaigning by the Republicans in the last election would have helped. For one if you didn’t know by September how horrific obama was as a president….nothing is going to change your mind. If people REALLY want to keep going over WHY the Republicans lost the last election they need to honestly ask an obama voter why they voted for obama!!!! The answers are all over the place and nothing and I mean nothing was going to change their mind about voting for obama! They defend the man like he was their flesh and blood. They defend with more vigor and passion than their own belief in God! It really is insane.


  43. 43 | January 17, 2013 2:52 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Answered you, Buzzy -- and of course, left a comment. I have to find new ways to say “BRILLIANT!”


  44. citizen_q
    44 | January 17, 2013 2:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Tom Brokaw compared it to the Civil Rights movement of the ’60s.

    A civil rights movement to block a civil right? Spock says that is illogical.


  45. lobo91
    45 | January 17, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    It was shot on a mobile phone at night in what the Met say is Waltham Forest, London, with a number of men seen shouting ‘this is a Muslim area’ towards white Britons they’ve confronted.

    Notice they don’t do this in the US, because they know they’d get shot.

    Except in the Detroit suburbs, which nobody cares about anyway.


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    46 | January 17, 2013 2:53 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Answered you, Buzzy — and of course, left a comment. I have to find new ways to say “BRILLIANT!”

    Thanks! Glad you liked it!


  47. 47 | January 17, 2013 2:53 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I don’t know what it is about libturds that they harbor the ridiculous belief that criminals buy them at Cabellas and Bass Pro Shop like the rest of us.

    Instead of picking them up from their coke dealer or stealing them, which is where criminals really get their guns. The Left know this, though. They are simply hoping that the low info voters they rely on don’t know it or don’t care.


  48. 48 | January 17, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Republicans don’t seem to understand the value of propaganda

    .

    Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

    Hey look at my #34, what do you think of that dream team I proposed for the RNC?


  49. Lily
    49 | January 17, 2013 2:57 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Tell them the same thing I tell anyone who informs me that guns shouldn’t be allowed and the Second Amendment should be repealed. “Put a big “This Home is Gun Free” sign in front of your house tonight when you get home. Because that is exactly what would happen.”
    I don’t know what it is about libturds that they harbor the ridiculous belief that criminals buy them at Cabellas and Bass Pro Shop like the rest of us.

    The thing is they thought it was all propaganda that obama wanted to go after our guns. They didn’t believe what they didn’t want to believe. It’s bizarre. Now that obama has made a huge and public power grab…at first they refused to believe that obama was going to go around Congress with EO’s…then they went with “I’d freely give up my right to guns if it saves one child.” This is plain insanity. They have no idea they are vomiting forth something that Hitler said back in the day.


  50. Da_Beerfreak
    50 | January 17, 2013 2:57 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Guess I am a bit of a Luddite. Or maybe its a combination of my IT background and growing mistrust of government, but I don’t trust that the votes I cast via electronic ballot are actually counted.

    Maybe I just need a better tin-foil hat.

    I’ve worked in electronics all my career (I’m the guy with the soldering iron and screwdrivers that gets called in to fix stuff) and I will never trust an all electronic voting system ever!!


  51. 51 | January 17, 2013 2:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Which is why Drug decriminalization is the answer, but many on our side don’t see it like me and you. Prohibition which is a Progressive concept never works.


  52. citizen_q
    52 | January 17, 2013 2:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Notice they don’t do this in the US, because they know they’d get shot.

    My understanding from the news reports I have been reading is that muzz often are given a pass on criminal acts.

    On the flip side, self-defense is practically illegal.

    Looks to me like if the average Britons decide they want their country back, they will have to fight both the muzz and their government.

    Will this be the US in 10 or 20 years?


  53. Speranza
    53 | January 17, 2013 3:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The RNC should hire people on this blog for their next campaign
    Iron Fist knows how to get the base motivated, I know how to get Hispanics, Asians over and Younger voters, Speranza can get Independents and Urban/Suburban Voters and Lobo can get Military/Gun Right type. Buzzsaw can provide messaging advise.
    But it will never happen!

    Nope, they prefer dopes like Matt Rhoades, Steven Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace.


  54. lobo91
    54 | January 17, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I’ve worked in electronics all my career (I’m the guy with the soldering iron and screwdrivers that gets called in to fix stuff) and I will never trust an all electronic voting system ever!!

    I trust the system.

    I don’t trust the people running it, though.


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    55 | January 17, 2013 3:00 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Will this be the US in 10 or 20 years?

    Less than eight, if the Democrats take the next presidential election.


  56. 56 | January 17, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Lily:

    Obama’s big problem with his gun grabber game plan is that the NRA is not your average organization that gives a crap what the media thinks about them or whether they will get invitations to the cocktail parties. Obama thought that if they came out “guns blazing” against in NRA in the hours and days after Newtown, the country would do what it always does when Odumbo speaks ex cathedra -- he and the rest of the proggie jerks were surprised when the reverse happened.

    He’s bitten off more than he knows how to chew with the NRA. He has a real problem dealing with opposition -- look at the way he whined and sniffled about the TEA Party. And the NRA is not just an opposition group like the TEA Party -- they’re the TEA Party on steroids.


  57. 57 | January 17, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    But the EDL are the bad guys!
    ////

    Will this be the US in 10 or 20 years?

    Americans will not tolerate the Islamic crap. What the 2 parties do not realize is that many Americans hate Islam. It’s just socially not acceptable to say it. For Now.


  58. 58 | January 17, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It’d be interesting, and couldn’t be worse than what they have in place now. But you have to have the right candidates. The Republicans too often go with the wrong candidate. While you give the Tea PArty down the road for Sharon Angle and Christine O’Donnell, they were also responsible for Marco Rubio and Rand Paul. Rubio especially was supposed to get out of the way for prima donna and turn coat Charlie Crist. Mike Castle n Delaware would have been no better than whatever Democrat they actually elected. He’d have just been in the Senate to give a “bi-partisan” veneer to Obama’s gun control inititives.


  59. 59 | January 17, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Nope, they prefer dopes like Matt Rhoades, Steven Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace.

    Let’s not forget The Architect: Karl Rove! :lol:


  60. 60 | January 17, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    George Soros always maintained it was not controlling the vote — it was controlling the person who COUNTS the votes.


  61. lobo91
    61 | January 17, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Obama thought that if they came out “guns blazing” against in NRA in the hours and days after Newtown, the country would do what it always does when Odumbo speaks ex cathedra — he and the rest of the proggie jerks were surprised when the reverse happened.

    The NRA’s strategy of remaining silent for the first week was brilliant. They just sat back and watched the left become more and more shrill.


  62. citizen_q
    62 | January 17, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    dearbonstan not withstanding.


  63. 63 | January 17, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    No women? So m, Eaglesoars, Lily and I will be doing what?


  64. 64 | January 17, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    That was Stalin, though George Soros is an accptible fascimile of Joe Stalin…


  65. lobo91
    65 | January 17, 2013 3:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    George Soros always maintained it was not controlling the vote — it was controlling the person who COUNTS the votes.

    Actually, I think it was Stalin who said that first. Soros just borrowed it.

    But it’s still true.


  66. 66 | January 17, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    While you give the Tea Party down the road for Sharon Angle and Christine O’Donnell, they were also responsible for Marco Rubio and Rand Paul.

    Actually I don’t blame the Tea Party for Angle and O’Donnell. They were NOT Tea Party candidates. They were Rick Santorum/Mike Huckabee candidates. I am convinced they were Democrat plants along with Todd Akins.

    I do not like the Tommy Thompson type candidates either. We need more Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Pat Toomey types as candidates.


  67. lobo91
    67 | January 17, 2013 3:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    No women? So m, Eaglesoars, Lily and I will be doing what?

    Baking cookies?

    //Ducks


  68. 68 | January 17, 2013 3:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    No women? So m, Eaglesoars, Lily and I will be doing what?

    Yes you, Eaglesoars, Lilly and M would do the female strategy! I was going to follow up with that. My apologies!


  69. 69 | January 17, 2013 3:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I meant to ask because I hadn’t been paying a lot of attention to it -- I need to re-up with the NRA -- did you provide a link where you get credit if I do?


  70. heysoos
    70 | January 17, 2013 3:05 pm

    I hate Islam…they snatch my beer I’ll pitch a hissy


  71. Lily
    71 | January 17, 2013 3:06 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    I don’t know what it is about libturds that they harbor the ridiculous belief that criminals buy them at Cabellas and Bass Pro Shop like the rest of us.
    Instead of picking them up from their coke dealer or stealing them, which is where criminals really get their guns. The Left know this, though. They are simply hoping that the low info voters they rely on don’t know it or don’t care.

    The type of people who support taking away guns for the good of the country will never look at this issue with critical thinking. They think it is their RIGHT TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE A GUN IN YOUR HOUSE. They refuse to believe that it isn’t the people who actually FOLLOW THE LAWS that aren’t the problem. They twist themselves in knots to make sure they don’t even think about the people who own guns illegally that are the problem. You can tell them that you can pass a million laws about guns but it isn’t going to solve the problem because the people you don’t want to have guns are not going to obey the law to begin with.


  72. lobo91
    72 | January 17, 2013 3:06 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I meant to ask because I hadn’t been paying a lot of attention to it — I need to re-up with the NRA — did you provide a link where you get credit if I do?

    This goes through my account


  73. unclassifiable
    73 | January 17, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Are you a GOP Precinct captian?


  74. 74 | January 17, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I thought that had to do with Soros’ funding of Secretary of State races.


  75. buzzsawmonkey
    75 | January 17, 2013 3:08 pm

    If you want your rights you’ll have to have a background check
    If you want your rights you’ll have to have a background check
    If you want your rights you’ll have to have a background check
    If you want your rights you’ll have to have a background check
    If you want your rights you’ll have to have a background check

    —Beyonce, at the inauguration


  76. citizen_q
    76 | January 17, 2013 3:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    It’s just socially not acceptable to say it. For Now.

    If our 2nd Amendment rights can be so attacked as they have been recently, I see no reason to let the hateful, intolerant, violent, political/religious cult of moe-ham-head to hide behind the 1st.


  77. lobo91
    77 | January 17, 2013 3:09 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I thought that had to do with Soros’ funding of Secretary of State races.

    That was the logic behind it, yes.


  78. 78 | January 17, 2013 3:10 pm

    We need to purge the Santorum Theocrat Socialist wing of the GOP. I am not talking about Social Conservatives, I am talking about people using Social issues to advance Socialism in the name of the family. Rubio and Jindal are Socially Conservatives, but they are not Socialists like Huckabee and Santorum.

    I make huge distinction between some who is Pro Free Market/Individual Liberty but Socially Conservative as opposed to someone who appears Socially Conservative, but their economic policies are Socialist.

    I hope this clears up my stance.


  79. 79 | January 17, 2013 3:11 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Are you a GOP Precinct captian?

    I actually thought of doing that, but the GOP is very dysfunctional. They provide no support and honestly I do not have time. The Democrats are organized, the GOP is not.


  80. 80 | January 17, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Just signed up for three years!


  81. Lily
    81 | January 17, 2013 3:14 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Obama’s big problem with his gun grabber game plan is that the NRA is not your average organization that gives a crap what the media thinks about them or whether they will get invitations to the cocktail parties. Obama thought that if they came out “guns blazing” against in NRA in the hours and days after Newtown, the country would do what it always does when Odumbo speaks ex cathedra — he and the rest of the proggie jerks were surprised when the reverse happened.
    He’s bitten off more than he knows how to chew with the NRA. He has a real problem dealing with opposition — look at the way he whined and sniffled about the TEA Party. And the NRA is not just an opposition group like the TEA Party — they’re the TEA Party on steroids.

    Oh indeed!!! Already the progressives are trying to make fun of the NRA. They have no concept of what the 2nd Amendment is all about. (Trust me I have had to listen to what they believe in ..in person here lately). They think it is outlandish that people are buying guns up like crazy. The honestly believe whatever obama says…obama said he isn’t going to take away our guns!!!!! So why are people worried about it???????????? They go right down the line to “it’s for the children”. Really? I ask? Let’s remove every gun and every bullet off the face of the earth and guess what? You haven’t reduced crime..nope. You haven’t reduced wars….nope. You have reduced accidents either…nope. You haven’t changed a thing except possibly the way people will kill you. Trust me you cannot break through the wall of ignorance concerning this issue. At all! And yes BLAME THE MEDIA and BLAME THE PEOPLE FOR BEING SO DAMN FOOLISH TO BELIEVE THE BULLSH*T TOO! It really is incredible.


  82. lobo91
    82 | January 17, 2013 3:15 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Just signed up for three years!

    Thanks!


  83. 83 | January 17, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I am with you my friend. One of my homelands (Lebanon) has fallen to Islam. They are targeting yours (Israel). You and I both have the same enemy.


  84. Lily
    84 | January 17, 2013 3:16 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    No women? So m, Eaglesoars, Lily and I will be doing what?

    Making coffee??? LOL!!!!
    /hey I got the touch on how the progressives think…front prouch seat right here.


  85. 85 | January 17, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    What’s odd for me is that so many of the “socially conservative” viewpoints are shared with minorities. Abortion and gay marriage are not supported by Hispanics and Blacks do not support gay marriage or amnesty for illegals. I explained to a Black friend of my son’s once that no, I don’t believe in Affirmative Action -- why? Because that’s like saying to a race of people -- “you’re inferior and you can’t succeed unless we dumb it all down for you.”


  86. 86 | January 17, 2013 3:22 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    What’s odd for me is that so many of the “socially conservative” viewpoints are shared with minorities.

    The Republicans do not do outreach. If I was in charge of outreach I can easily get Hispanics and some Blacks to hate White Democrats. That is the way to win them. Make them resent the White Hipsters living good while they live as dirt. The GOP keeps wanting to grab more White Democrats, that is their big mistake. Divide and conquer.


  87. Lily
    87 | January 17, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ Lily:

    Darn it!

    PIMF…..porch


  88. Da_Beerfreak
    88 | January 17, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I really don’t trust either one.


  89. Speranza
    89 | January 17, 2013 3:27 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    It’d be interesting, and couldn’t be worse than what they have in place now. But you have to have the right candidates. The Republicans too often go with the wrong candidate. While you give the Tea PArty down the road for Sharon Angle and Christine O’Donnell, they were also responsible for Marco Rubio and Rand Paul. Rubio especially was supposed to get out of the way for prima donna and turn coat Charlie Crist. Mike Castle n Delaware would have been no better than whatever Democrat they actually elected. He’d have just been in the Senate to give a “bi-partisan” veneer to Obama’s gun control inititives.

    Yes but Castle would have been one more Republican needed to take back the Senate and turn Harry Reid into Senate Minority leader.


  90. 90 | January 17, 2013 3:27 pm

    I think the different factions of the Right should have a pow wow and agree to disagree on some thing, but pick 4 issues we have in common and unite on them.


  91. Speranza
    91 | January 17, 2013 3:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Nope, they prefer dopes like Matt Rhoades, Steven Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace.
    Let’s not forget The Architect: Karl Rove!

    That fat bastard was on Hannity last night with his chalkboards.


  92. unclassifiable
    92 | January 17, 2013 3:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Are you a GOP Precinct captian?
    I actually thought of doing that, but the GOP is very dysfunctional. They provide no support and honestly I do not have time. The Democrats are organized, the GOP is not.

    But when I tried to get into GOP politics in Texas this is where you start. You have to put in the time and the money before people even start to notice you.

    There are extrodinary circumstances. Public figures and big donors are fast tracked. The Tea Party obviously has its own gravitas with in the party but is IMHO still considered on the outside looking in.


  93. 93 | January 17, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    But when I tried to get into GOP politics in Texas this is where you start. You have to put in the time and the money before people even start to notice you.

    This is part of the problem. The Democrats fund their precinct captains and pay for expenses. The GOP does not. Each Precinct captain is left on their own. Look at OFA, it’s funny funded and people are paid. There is no GOP equivalent.

    The problem is at the national level where the GOP needs a coherent message. A precinct captain can have great ideas, but if the party message is not the same as what a captain speaks then it becomes inconsistent.


  94. unclassifiable
    94 | January 17, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Furthermore al along the way there are test of party “compliance”. Here in Texas there was great pressure to agree to a whole slate of social points. If you ever want to know why someone changes a position it usually is an exchange for gaining power.

    It is a damn slimy process and I was only seeing it on the GOP side. From the Dem side I probably couldn’t look at myself in the mirror in the morning after a meeting.


  95. Da_Beerfreak
    95 | January 17, 2013 3:34 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I thought that had to do with Soros’ funding of Secretary of State races.

    That’s the motive for Soros’s SOS project. Just ask Al Franken how well it worked for him… :evil:


  96. unclassifiable
    97 | January 17, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I think your not seeing the full exchange. They may fund the captains but you are not going to be one for long if you don’t put in the time and the Dems have a special emphasis on locking down votes. The GOP has been likened in that respect to herding cats.

    And you see this really goes down to a personality issue. Conservatives tend to be rather independent creatures who have politics second to running a business or profession. Dems tend to have politics as there profession. That is a difficult paradigm to crack.


  97. unclassifiable
    98 | January 17, 2013 3:38 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Obvious their/there scew up at the end.

    Multitasking


  98. 99 | January 17, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Dems have a special emphasis on locking down votes. The GOP has been likened in that respect to herding cats.

    That is what needs to change. Republicans should hire people full time with a salary like OFA does. It works, you pay someone to do this full time, they will get the votes.


  99. 100 | January 17, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That is Communist former Czar. He knows all about treason, having done it so often himself…


  100. 101 | January 17, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That takes money that the party doesn’t have. For all the talk about the GOP being the Party of the Rich, most of the rich side with the Democrats. Money isn’t as big a concern for the Democrat Party. Too, they have big money donors in the Unions, who extort the money for the donations from their members. The GOP lacks these sources of funds.


  101. lobo91
    102 | January 17, 2013 3:42 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    That is Communist former Czar. He knows all about treason, having done it so often himself…

    His definition of treason is opposing Obama.


  102. 103 | January 17, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yep, and he’d like to shoot you for it…


  103. lobo91
    104 | January 17, 2013 3:48 pm

    Gee…who could’ve seen this coming?

    Second Home That Was Listed On NY Newspaper’s Map Of Gun Owners Broken Into, Thieves Steal Two Guns…

    Two handguns and two pistol permits were stolen from the New City home of a man whose name and address are listed on the website of a local newspaper as possessing gun permits, police said.

    The thieves ransacked the house Wednesday night, breaking into two safes on the home’s third floor and stealing a third safe. The guns were in the stolen safe, police said.

    The burglary comes less than a week after a White Plains homeowner who, too, was listed on the Journal News website as having gun permits, arrived home to find his home burglarized with jewelry missing and an attempted break-in of his gun safe. The thieves were not successful and no guns were stolen.

    The Journal News has come under fire from elected officials and police groups for posting the interactive map Dec. 23 that showed the names and addresses of all legal gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.

    Hopefully, this paper will be sued out of existence.


  104. citizen_q
    105 | January 17, 2013 3:48 pm

    @ lobo91:
    If van jones is interested in treason, he needs do no more than look in a mirror.


  105. lobo91
    106 | January 17, 2013 3:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yep, and he’d like to shoot you for it…

    I’d like to see him try.


  106. lobo91
    107 | January 17, 2013 3:50 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    If van jones is interested in treason, he needs do no more than look in a mirror.

    He can’t possibly be guilty of treason. He supports Emperor Obama.

    And he’s black.

    It’s only people who support the Constitution who are guilty of treason.

    //Through the looking glass…


  107. heysoos
    108 | January 17, 2013 3:53 pm

    I’m a racist traitor….feel pretty good about it tho


  108. heysoos
    109 | January 17, 2013 3:56 pm

    it looks like AQ is gonna stand and fight…not sure I understand that strategy..should be a good one
    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2013/1/18/worldupdates/french-surround-malian-town-await-african-troops&sec=Worldupdates


  109. unclassifiable
    110 | January 17, 2013 3:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Rodan,

    You are ignoring the most significant part of the post but perhaps I need to explain it further.

    Democrats beleive that government is a profession. Conservatives beleive it is a service.

    This has everything to do with Democrats having a totalitarian impulse to involve government in every aspect of our lives. Conservatives do not beleive that.

    In other words the funding pattern is very much entwined in the belief sets.

    In order to have it your way you would be better served trying to change the Democratic party from the inside. But in that case you are now faced with the mirror issue from the GOP — you will have a bunch of party members expecting to make a long and prosperous living from a successful campaign and you will be faced with telling them not to expect that. You won’t get far.


  110. heysoos
    111 | January 17, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ heysoos:
    bad news, there are still many civilians left in this town


  111. citizen_q
    112 | January 17, 2013 4:02 pm

    NY Gun Control Laws Anger Retired Police Who Believe They Should Be Exempted From Some Restrictions

    Buried in the state’s new anti-gun law, retired officers — like the general public — are restricted to only seven bullets in an ammo clip.

    Police officers, federal agents, prison guards, state police and other members of law enforcement are already clamoring for an amendment to the law to allow the state’s 100,000 retired officers to keep 10 and 15-bullet magazines for their guns, insisting they need the extra firepower should they ever confront a Newtown, Conn., situation.

    Technically, any retired cop with more than seven bullets in a clip would be in violation of the law.

    “As a law enforcement officer for over 20 years, I understand the importance of instituting a new policy on mandating the limits of bullets that a regular citizen can possess, but as a matter of fact
    the bad guys are not going to follow this law,” said Norman Seabrook, president of the correction officers union, the city’s second largest.

    “The way the current legislation is drafted, it actually handcuffs the law enforcement community from having the necessary ammunition needed to save lives,” he said. “We must not allow this to happen.

    Uhhmmmm…..yeah

    No concerns about the average citizen’s need for necessary ammunition to save their or their family’s lives?


  112. Daffy Duck
    113 | January 17, 2013 4:02 pm

    @ heysoos:

    And that’s probably why AQ is vowing to fight…. What else? Are the French going to burn the village to save it?

    I doubt it.


  113. heysoos
    114 | January 17, 2013 4:04 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    And that’s probably why AQ is vowing to fight…. What else? Are the French going to burn the village to save it?
    I doubt it.

    an old fashioned siege…typical of them to ensure civilian casualties


  114. heysoos
    115 | January 17, 2013 4:06 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    these people are pathetic…maybe nice folks, but I have zero use for such conceit


  115. heysoos
    116 | January 17, 2013 4:09 pm

    what the fuck is an ‘irregular citizen’?…more liberal doublespeak…their hypocrisy is bottomless


  116. 117 | January 17, 2013 4:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Instead of the Super PACS, the GOP donors should focus on infrastructure. They spent close to 1 billion and still lost. If they had invested 200 million in building infrastructure, the election might have turned out different. The Democrats do have a money advantage, but the GOP could change where they spend their money.


  117. Daffy Duck
    118 | January 17, 2013 4:10 pm

    @ heysoos:

    We’ll see if the Frogs go all Fallujah on AQ.


  118. lobo91
    119 | January 17, 2013 4:11 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I like the way he says that he “understands” why we have to limit what law-abiding people can have, while acknowledging that it will have absolutely no effect on criminals in the same sentence.


  119. unclassifiable
    120 | January 17, 2013 4:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Maybe I am not in the majority here but shouldn’t folks have their guns locked in a gun safe when thay are away from home?


  120. Daffy Duck
    121 | January 17, 2013 4:14 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    I see where you’re coming from, but a lock only keeps an honest man out. Article says stolen guns were in a safe.


  121. heysoos
    122 | January 17, 2013 4:14 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:
    my gut tells me this is gonna be a bad rabbit….need some technology where a small town, or even part of a city could be gassed with some non-lethal substance…I saw it on the radio


  122. 123 | January 17, 2013 4:14 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    I get your point and you are right, but if the GOP is to win elections, then they will need to get people who will dedicate their lives to the party. That means paying people full time. Conservatives need a change in attitude.

    In order to have it your way you would be better served trying to change the Democratic party from the inside.

    They are Marxist, Black Nazis, Globalists and White Supremacists and Hipsters. I oppose their ideology and would never vote nor work for them.


  123. lobo91
    124 | January 17, 2013 4:14 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Maybe I am not in the majority here but shouldn’t folks have their guns locked in a gun safe when thay are away from home?

    That person’s guns were in a safe. They stole the safe, too.


  124. heysoos
    125 | January 17, 2013 4:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I like the way he says that he “understands” why we have to limit what law-abiding people can have, while acknowledging that it will have absolutely no effect on criminals in the same sentence.

    yeah, everything is so convoluted with these people it’s stunning…it’s just mindless babble…no point in even talking to them, just mock their illogical stupidity


  125. lobo91
    126 | January 17, 2013 4:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Daffy Duck:
    my gut tells me this is gonna be a bad rabbit….need some technology where a small town, or even part of a city could be gassed with some non-lethal substance…I saw it on the radio

    The problem is that there’s no way to regulate the dose of the agent. A bunch of people will die from it.

    That’s what happened when the Russians tried it a few years ago.


  126. Mars
    127 | January 17, 2013 4:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:
    I get your point and you are right, but if the GOP is to win elections, then they will need to get people who will dedicate their lives to the party. That means paying people full time. Conservatives need a change in attitude.
    In order to have it your way you would be better served trying to change the Democratic party from the inside.
    They are Marxist, Black Nazis, Globalists and White Supremacists and Hipsters. I oppose their ideology and would never vote nor work for them.

    Alan West has a new partnership with PJTV that has some interesting ideas. Saw it when watching Alonzo Rachels newest show. (Alonzo also has a show almost custom made for you, I think you’ll enjoy it.)

    If I get the time I’ll put all the info up on a thread with some of the videos.


  127. 128 | January 17, 2013 4:17 pm

    Here’s another thing the GOP needs to stop doing.

    GOP pollster: Stop talking about rape


  128. heysoos
    129 | January 17, 2013 4:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Maybe I am not in the majority here but shouldn’t folks have their guns locked in a gun safe when thay are away from home?
    That person’s guns were in a safe. They stole the safe, too.

    next EO…
    you must own a federally approved gun safe, installed in a permanent concrete bunker….hahaha!….it just goes on forever


  129. 130 | January 17, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yes I have been following that. Allen West has realized that getting elected is not the way to defeat the Left. Infrastructure is. He’s a military man and sees the enemy clearly.


  130. Mars
    131 | January 17, 2013 4:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Gee…who could’ve seen this coming?
    Second Home That Was Listed On NY Newspaper’s Map Of Gun Owners Broken Into, Thieves Steal Two Guns…
    Two handguns and two pistol permits were stolen from the New City home of a man whose name and address are listed on the website of a local newspaper as possessing gun permits, police said.
    The thieves ransacked the house Wednesday night, breaking into two safes on the home’s third floor and stealing a third safe. The guns were in the stolen safe, police said.
    The burglary comes less than a week after a White Plains homeowner who, too, was listed on the Journal News website as having gun permits, arrived home to find his home burglarized with jewelry missing and an attempted break-in of his gun safe. The thieves were not successful and no guns were stolen.
    The Journal News has come under fire from elected officials and police groups for posting the interactive map Dec. 23 that showed the names and addresses of all legal gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.
    Hopefully, this paper will be sued out of existence.

    Sued will work. They need taken out of existence in some way.


  131. 132 | January 17, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ Mars:

    See my #78 and tell me if you agree.


  132. Mars
    133 | January 17, 2013 4:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Yes I have been following that. Allen West has realized that getting elected is not the way to defeat the Left. Infrastructure is. He’s a military man and sees the enemy clearly.

    Taking it directly to the youth instead of relying on the old methods is definitely a good first step.


  133. lobo91
    134 | January 17, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ heysoos:

    next EO…
    you must own a federally approved gun safe, installed in a permanent concrete bunker….hahaha!….it just goes on forever

    Some idiot Dem is trying to get that passed in NJ. It’s part of the same bill that would mandate psychological testing to buy a gun.


  134. 135 | January 17, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ Mars:

    He gets it!


  135. heysoos
    136 | January 17, 2013 4:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Here’s another thing the GOP needs to stop doing.
    GOP pollster: Stop talking about rape

    stupid X 3….rape has nothing to do with national politics, can’t these apes see that?


  136. 137 | January 17, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s part of the same bill that would mandate psychological testing to buy a gun.

    Who would determine that? That’s the part they do not say!


  137. RIX
    138 | January 17, 2013 4:21 pm

    Manti Te’o has hired a PR firm & he may address the Media today.
    I think that he should say, “Hey whay don’t you hassle Ludwig?
    He has a make believe girl friend too.”


  138. unclassifiable
    139 | January 17, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:
    @ lobo91:

    This is what I get for multitasking with other things. What I meant was safes that are attached to the floor.

    But lobo91, you, and the article makes an explicit point that a determined thief with enough time can take damn near anything including floor safes.

    I’m sorry. I was wrong.


  139. Speranza
    140 | January 17, 2013 4:22 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Taking it directly to the youth instead of relying on the old methods is definitely a good first step.

    Quite concur! I am tired of the “Let’s wait until they turn 40 before they are receptive towards Republican ideas” game.


  140. Mars
    141 | January 17, 2013 4:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    See my #78 and tell me if you agree.

    Yep you are on the right track.

    Like it or not, he’s dead right.


  141. 142 | January 17, 2013 4:23 pm

    @ heysoos:

    stupid X 3….rape has nothing to do with national politics, can’t these apes see that?

    These guys are False Flag operatives. They are doing it on purpose.


  142. heysoos
    143 | January 17, 2013 4:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    next EO…
    you must own a federally approved gun safe, installed in a permanent concrete bunker….hahaha!….it just goes on forever
    Some idiot Dem is trying to get that passed in NJ. It’s part of the same bill that would mandate psychological testing to buy a gun.

    ammo must be stored not less than 200 feet from the approved weapon


  143. 144 | January 17, 2013 4:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Manti Te’o has hired a PR firm & he may address the Media today.
    I think that he should say, “Hey whay don’t you hassle Ludwig?
    He has a make believe girl friend too.”

    :lol:


  144. unclassifiable
    145 | January 17, 2013 4:23 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I’m sorry. I was wrong.


  145. lobo91
    146 | January 17, 2013 4:23 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Maybe I am not in the majority here but shouldn’t folks have their guns locked in a gun safe when thay are away from home?

    How someone secures their guns is up to them, and depends on their circumstances.

    If there are people in the home that you need to keep from getting ahold of them, then yes, a safe is a good idea.

    I don’t necessarily think that people should be required to buy a safe on the off chance that someone might break into their house, though. That’s why we put locks on our doors.


  146. Mars
    147 | January 17, 2013 4:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Taking it directly to the youth instead of relying on the old methods is definitely a good first step.
    Quite concur! I am tired of the “Let’s wait until they turn 40 before they are receptive towards Republican ideas” game.

    By then they’ve already voted dem 21 times.


  147. Speranza
    148 | January 17, 2013 4:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Manti Te’o has hired a PR firm & he may address the Media today.
    I think that he should say, “Hey whay don’t you hassle Ludwig?
    He has a make believe girl friend too.”

    The blow up doll Miss S. takes offense.
    LVQ finally realized (duh) that LGF is an anti-Israel blog.


  148. lobo91
    149 | January 17, 2013 4:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s part of the same bill that would mandate psychological testing to buy a gun.
    Who would determine that? That’s the part they do not say!

    I’m pretty sure that was by design…


  149. 150 | January 17, 2013 4:26 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yup!


  150. Mars
    151 | January 17, 2013 4:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    unclassifiable wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Maybe I am not in the majority here but shouldn’t folks have their guns locked in a gun safe when thay are away from home?
    How someone secures their guns is up to them, and depends on their circumstances.
    If there are people in the home that you need to keep from getting ahold of them, then yes, a safe is a good idea.
    I don’t necessarily think that people should be required to buy a safe on the off chance that someone might break into their house, though. That’s why we put locks on our doors.

    Currently I sleep in front of the front door with my gun 3 feet away. My ammo is 3.1 feet away. Trigger lock key is 2.9 feet away somewhere it would never be found. I am able to unlock my case and gun in about 15 seconds.

    Yet my kids have no idea where any of it is. They’ve been shown it, explained how it works, and at the age of 12 both will be trained with it.


  151. lobo91
    152 | January 17, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It’s standard procedure.

    Look at what they did with the Obamacare bill. Thousands of places in it just say “The secretary shall determine” how something is done.


  152. heysoos
    153 | January 17, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ unclassifiable:
    no big deal….a good safe can be very expensive…most big dogs own them


  153. 154 | January 17, 2013 4:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    It’s standard procedure.
    Look at what they did with the Obamacare bill. Thousands of places in it just say “The secretary shall determine” how something is done.

    It’s laying the groundwork for a Totalitarian Fascist state.


  154. unclassifiable
    155 | January 17, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ lobo91:
    @ Daffy Duck:

    And I am sure that the libs will latch onto this because we all know this is how criminals get their guns.

    So are we to give up our 2nd Amendment rights because criminals beak the 4th Amendment?

    Are we to make all of our rights kowtow to the criminal, the insane, and the criminally insane?

    Yeah upon consideration — sue the living crap out of the bastards!


  155. heysoos
    156 | January 17, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ Mars:
    my 12ga is fully loaded, safety on, 12 inches from my priceless old head…when I travel, same deal…I need a pistol


  156. lobo91
    157 | January 17, 2013 4:31 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:
    no big deal….a good safe can be very expensive…most big dogs own them

    If you have a big collection of guns, it’s probably worth getting a good safe. But you can’t very well tell someone that they have to spend a couple thousand dollars on a half-ton safe to lock up one $400 gun.


  157. heysoos
    158 | January 17, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ lobo91:
    an astounding breach of faith…beyond that BO lied about 72hr online post BS


  158. lobo91
    159 | January 17, 2013 4:33 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Are we to make all of our rights kowtow to the criminal, the insane, and the criminally insane?

    According to the left, yes.


  159. heysoos
    160 | January 17, 2013 4:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ unclassifiable:
    no big deal….a good safe can be very expensive…most big dogs own them
    If you have a big collection of guns, it’s probably worth getting a good safe. But you can’t very well tell someone that they have to spend a couple thousand dollars on a half-ton safe to lock up one $400 gun.

    into the man cave, a secret combination and voila!…my babies!…did you miss daddy?, hows my little G19?


  160. RIX
    161 | January 17, 2013 4:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Manti Te’o has hired a PR firm & he may address the Media today.
    I think that he should say, “Hey whay don’t you hassle Ludwig?
    He has a make believe girl friend too.”

    The blow up doll Miss S. takes offense.
    LVQ finally realized (duh) that LGF is an anti-Israel blog.

    He’s not over there anymore?
    I know that he had trouble with Iceweasel.


  161. Daffy Duck
    162 | January 17, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    This is why we gun nuts have slogans like “Gun control is not about guns, it’s about control.”

    People need to quit chasing the shiny object.

    If politicians were serious about crime/criminals, there would be tougher sentences for offenders.

    I have a lock on the doors to my house. That SHOULD be enough, but I know it isn’t, so I have safes, too. That SHOULD be enough, but there are some places that require trigger locks on top of all that. It’s crap.


  162. 163 | January 17, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ RIX:

    He flounced because its anti-Israel now. San Francisco Zionist flounced also.


  163. heysoos
    164 | January 17, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ Rodan:
    no kidding…she was always reasonable…
    I’ve not looked over there in months…I missed beating the snot out of Ludwig tho…man, he hated my guts


  164. RIX
    165 | January 17, 2013 4:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    He flounced because its anti-Israel now. San Francisco Zionist flounced also.

    That LGF would go anti Israel was predictable.
    You can’t have all of those Lefies congregate and
    not have that happen.


  165. AZfederalist
    166 | January 17, 2013 4:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Gee…who could’ve seen this coming?

    Second Home That Was Listed On NY Newspaper’s Map Of Gun Owners Broken Into, Thieves Steal Two Guns…

    Two handguns and two pistol permits were stolen from the New City home of a man whose name and address are listed on the website of a local newspaper as possessing gun permits, police said.

    The thieves ransacked the house Wednesday night, breaking into two safes on the home’s third floor and stealing a third safe. The guns were in the stolen safe, police said.

    The burglary comes less than a week after a White Plains homeowner who, too, was listed on the Journal News website as having gun permits, arrived home to find his home burglarized with jewelry missing and an attempted break-in of his gun safe. The thieves were not successful and no guns were stolen.

    The Journal News has come under fire from elected officials and police groups for posting the interactive map Dec. 23 that showed the names and addresses of all legal gun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties.

    Hopefully, this paper will be sued out of existence.

    This is one case where I would fully support those ambulance chasing lawyers that advertise on TV. Seems it should be readily demonstrable that the newspaper enabled these crimes.


  166. heysoos
    167 | January 17, 2013 4:45 pm

    That LGF would go anti Israel was predictable.
    You can’t have all of those Lefies congregate and
    not have that happen.

    back during the last Battle Of Gaza we lived blog the video cam and hooted every time there was gunfire or bombs going off…that was fun and most people were into it…there was a rooster somewhere that crowed away and we all loved him, he was our mascot


  167. lobo91
    168 | January 17, 2013 4:47 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I wonder what happened to the Gaza rooster?


  168. citizen_q
    169 | January 17, 2013 4:47 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    Are we to make all of our rights kowtow to the criminal, the insane, and the criminally insane?

    Don’t forget the coached opinions of 8 and 11 year old children.


  169. 170 | January 17, 2013 4:48 pm

    @ heysoos:

    he was very dishonest.


  170. heysoos
    171 | January 17, 2013 4:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I wonder what happened to the Gaza rooster?

    probably either fried or roasted


  171. unclassifiable
    172 | January 17, 2013 4:48 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:
    @ lobo91:
    @ heysoos:

    Um…

    I have a safe I put in that is bolted into the floor with 6 inch jack bolts.

    It’s a nice safe.

    I suppose I get a little myopic soemtimes.


  172. unclassifiable
    173 | January 17, 2013 4:49 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I put that in the criminally insane by proxy category.


  173. lobo91
    174 | January 17, 2013 4:50 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    I certainly don’t have a problem with people having gun safes.

    I just don’t think they should be made mandatory.


  174. 175 | January 17, 2013 4:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:
    I certainly don’t have a problem with people having gun safes.
    I just don’t think they should be made mandatory.

    Agree!


  175. heysoos
    176 | January 17, 2013 4:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    he was very dishonest.

    I didn’t care less what he had to say…it was his bad attitude, his vulgarity, and his penchant for instantly attacking people…so one day I stepped in and off we went….he was so easy to defeat, because he was out of control…I’d mildly point that out to him in a friendly way and BOOM! off he’d go again…you could set him up like a bowling pin


  176. lobo91
    177 | January 17, 2013 4:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ unclassifiable:
    I certainly don’t have a problem with people having gun safes.
    I just don’t think they should be made mandatory.
    Agree!

    The point of laws that require things like that (or psychological testing) isn’t to keep guns away from bad people, anyway. It’s to throw up so many roadblocks in the path of people who want to legally own a gun that they decide it’s not worth it.


  177. RIX
    178 | January 17, 2013 4:53 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I do remember that Gaza film.


  178. unclassifiable
    179 | January 17, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I say FO on the EO.

    And the first O in that sentence stands for Obama.

    It’s my new standard greeting :lol:


  179. Daffy Duck
    180 | January 17, 2013 4:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Bingo.


  180. 181 | January 17, 2013 4:56 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s to throw up so many roadblocks in the path of people who want to legally own a gun that they decide it’s not worth it.

    Exactly, it’s to prevent people from exercising their right to own a gun.


  181. 182 | January 17, 2013 4:58 pm

    Scenario -- Young lady comes home at the end of the day. She has locked her gun in a safe of some sort. Just after she gets in the house and before she has a chance to do more than take off her coat and put down her purse, two thugs bust in, beat the shit out of her, take turns raping her for a while, stangle her to death, steal all here stuff. Her body is found 3 days later.

    Want to rethink that crap about being required to keep your gun in a safe? Which Heller already declared unconstitutional anyway?


  182. unclassifiable
    183 | January 17, 2013 4:58 pm

    @ lobo91:

    No problem there.

    And of course the argument should be made that if one of these theifs got blown away every so often it might cut down on burglary.

    I think most of the gun control cities have adequately proven that point.


  183. lobo91
    184 | January 17, 2013 4:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s to throw up so many roadblocks in the path of people who want to legally own a gun that they decide it’s not worth it.
    Exactly, it’s to prevent people from exercising their right to own a gun.

    I think we should propose a law that people have to buy liability insurance before they can comment online.

    There have been kids who have committed suicide as a result of things people have posted about them, after all.

    //If it saves one life…


  184. heysoos
    185 | January 17, 2013 4:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I do remember that Gaza film.

    there were many ambivalent posters back then regarding Israel, just not up to speed…then they saw the tapes of Hamas tossing people off the highrise after they took, and it blew people away…yes, these are the animals that Israel has to deal with and they were shocked…along with stuff such as Buzz’s history and whatnot, they became enthusiastic Israel supported…but that’s all gone now


  185. 186 | January 17, 2013 4:59 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I know you are joking, but I would NOT be shock if that is the next leftist idea.


  186. 187 | January 17, 2013 4:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s to throw up so many roadblocks in the path of people who want to legally own a gun that they decide it’s not worth it.

    Which is unconstitutional when applied to any other Constitutional right. Will it be ruled unconstitutional in regards to the Second Amendment? I don’t know. Time will tell.


  187. heysoos
    188 | January 17, 2013 4:59 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I say FO on the EO.
    And the first O in that sentence stands for Obama.
    It’s my new standard greeting

    I have no intention of ever doing what the feds tell me to do…I hate those guys with a passion


  188. Mars
    189 | January 17, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ Rodan:
    You watch the video I put up earlier?


  189. heysoos
    190 | January 17, 2013 5:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    It’s to throw up so many roadblocks in the path of people who want to legally own a gun that they decide it’s not worth it.
    Which is unconstitutional when applied to any other Constitutional right. Will it be ruled unconstitutional in regards to the Second Amendment? I don’t know. Time will tell.

    when the SC folds it’s over bro…if you need a fallback zone, I welcome you to New Mexico


  190. 191 | January 17, 2013 5:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Oh, I’ve no doubt. And everyone should file an INDIVIDUAL action and force them the file motion after motion for consolidation. I predict their legal fees will be in the millions within a couple months. If they have an error and omissions carrier, I have a feeling they’ll issue a reservation of rights letter, write a check for policy limits (and I’ll bet you the limits aren’t that high) and tell them “you’re on your own.”


  191. RIX
    192 | January 17, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ heysoos:
    You just knew that LGF would not remain pro Israel.
    Some people thought that they could join in the hard left party & still
    maintain support for Israel on the blog.


  192. lobo91
    193 | January 17, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Rodan:

    Which was my point, of course.

    The left would go berserk if you tried to put restrictions on their ability to spread lies and disinformation freely.

    Not sure I see a difference…


  193. unclassifiable
    194 | January 17, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hey what about journalist?

    I mean if anyone has been responsible for writing false information that has gotten other people killed it has to be them right?

    I am sure we could find many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many…

    …examples.


  194. Speranza
    195 | January 17, 2013 5:04 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    That LGF would go anti Israel was predictable.
    You can’t have all of those Lefies congregate and
    not have that happen.
    back during the last Battle Of Gaza we lived blog the video cam and hooted every time there was gunfire or bombs going off…that was fun and most people were into it…there was a rooster somewhere that crowed away and we all loved him, he was our mascot

    I used to love the Palestinian car swarm threads.


  195. lobo91
    196 | January 17, 2013 5:04 pm

    Am I the only one who’s getting tired of hearing about this football player’s imaginary dead girlfriend?


  196. 197 | January 17, 2013 5:04 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You watch the video I put up earlier?

    When I get home I will. I can’t see it where I am.


  197. 198 | January 17, 2013 5:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Let’s propose registering journalists!
    ///


  198. Speranza
    199 | January 17, 2013 5:05 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You just knew that LGF would not remain pro Israel.
    Some people thought that they could join in the hard left party & still
    maintain support for Israel on the blog.

    So many lefties, it was impossible to remain sympathetic towards Israel Charles Johnson for the most part kept his mouth shut but he allowed his posters to trash the Jewish nation constantly lead by mental midgets such as icejimmah and jamesfirecat.


  199. lobo91
    200 | January 17, 2013 5:06 pm

    “He’s a star football player destined for a big career. He doesn’t need to make up a girlfriend. That’s what soccer players do.”
    --Greg Gutfeld

    LOL!


  200. unclassifiable
    201 | January 17, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    What’s the big deal. This country elected a president that has important parts of his autobiography essentially turn out to be made up crap.


  201. lobo91
    202 | January 17, 2013 5:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Let’s propose registering journalists!
    ///

    When journalists are outlawed, only outlaws will be journalists.


  202. Speranza
    203 | January 17, 2013 5:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    He flounced because its anti-Israel now. San Francisco Zionist flounced also.

    SFZ flounced? Wow! I guess Alouette is still there and of course lawhawk (whom I believe is Jewish as well).


  203. lobo91
    204 | January 17, 2013 5:08 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    What’s the big deal. This country elected a president that has important parts of his autobiography essentially turn out to be made up crap.

    Has anyone looked at the White House website lately?

    He probably added having the Heisman Trophy to his bio.


  204. unclassifiable
    205 | January 17, 2013 5:09 pm

    The first time I shoot someone I am going to say that I shot them out of context and see if I get off.


  205. RIX
    206 | January 17, 2013 5:10 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You just knew that LGF would not remain pro Israel.
    Some people thought that they could join in the hard left party & still
    maintain support for Israel on the blog.

    So many lefties, it was impossible to remain sympathetic towards Israel Charles Johnson for the most part kept his mouth shut but he allowed his posters to trash the Jewish nation constantly lead by mental midgets such as icejimmah and jamesfirecat.

    By his very silence Charles was complicit. He got all pissy with
    people over lesser things.


  206. heysoos
    207 | January 17, 2013 5:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You just knew that LGF would not remain pro Israel.
    Some people thought that they could join in the hard left party & still
    maintain support for Israel on the blog.

    a few short years ago I got sick and had to have 10 surgeries at the UNM Hospital…my route there (about 100 times) took me past a section of campus where the Israel haters hung out on every corner, chanting and bleating…my blood would boil…this free Palestine, Israeli apartheid shit really burns me…liberals need to stay far away from me…I’d rather be mugged by the Crips…at 60 years old, the only enemies I have are liberals, and trust me…they are my dire enemy


  207. citizen_q
    208 | January 17, 2013 5:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    It’s to throw up so many roadblocks in the path of people who want to legally own a gun that they decide it’s not worth it.
    Which is unconstitutional when applied to any other Constitutional right. Will it be ruled unconstitutional in regards to the Second Amendment? I don’t know. Time will tell.

    These type of suggestions come from people who lie through their teeth saying requiring photo ID to vote is racist and an attempt to intimidate minorities to not vote.


  208. 209 | January 17, 2013 5:11 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Aloutte wants an alliance of Muslims and Jews to take on Christians.


  209. 210 | January 17, 2013 5:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They do more damage than real outlaws.


  210. heysoos
    211 | January 17, 2013 5:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Am I the only one who’s getting tired of hearing about this football player’s imaginary dead girlfriend?

    yeah, that story broke my imaginary heart


  211. buzzsawmonkey
    212 | January 17, 2013 5:12 pm

    Had I the time and money, I would file suit against Cuomo and the leaders of the New York State legislature to have Cuomo’s new gun-grab law ruled unconstitutional.

    The basis of the suit would be the 7-bullet magazine limit. It is my understanding that 8 bullets are the standard capacity for a basic magazine, and have been for some time. Requiring a 7-bullet limit places a chilling effect on my Second Amendment rights: insofar as the Second Amendment sets forth a fundamental right, and there is no compelling state interest in reducing magazine size in this way for legally-owned weapons, the law must fall.

    Ordinary state laws must satisfy a “rational basis test”—there need only be a “rational basis” for the state’s actions for the law to stand. But a fundamental right requires the state to satisfy the much-more-difficult “strict scrutiny” which mandates that the state demonstrate a “compelling state interest.”

    There is no compelling state interest here. There is no great upswing in gun misuse—indeed, gun violence is down in New York. There is no reason for the state to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to own firearms. I do not believe that the New York law could satisfy the “rational basis test,” given that it was enacted in haste in the course of a full-on Chicken Little sky-is-falling panic—transparently for the purpose of furthering Governor Cuomo’s presidential ambitions. For that matter, Cuomo’s unhinged ranting that “you don’t need ten bullets to kill a deer” in and of itself demonstrates that there is no rational basis for this law, as the Second Amendment does not protect a constitutional right to venison.


  212. Mars
    213 | January 17, 2013 5:12 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Hey what about journalist?
    I mean if anyone has been responsible for writing false information that has gotten other people killed it has to be them right?
    I am sure we could find many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many, many,many,many,many,many,many…
    …examples.

    Using the same arguments the left makes on guns you could limit reporters free speech just on the number of school shootings directly tied to their eternal reporting of Columbine and it’s anniversaries.


  213. 214 | January 17, 2013 5:12 pm

    New Thread.


  214. heysoos
    215 | January 17, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ lobo91:
    really, that was witty….ha!


  215. Speranza
    216 | January 17, 2013 5:13 pm

    These Te’o jokes are all very funny but let’s all try to remember that a person who never existed is dead.

    O.J. Simpson has vowed to find Manti Te’o's real girlfriend.

    Dear Manti Te’o: don’t send your NFL signing bonus to that nice Nigerian friend of yours.


  216. buzzsawmonkey
    217 | January 17, 2013 5:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Aloutte wants an alliance of Muslims and Jews to take on Christians.

    Alouette is all wet.


  217. AZfederalist
    218 | January 17, 2013 5:14 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Uhhmmmm…..yeah

    No concerns about the average citizen’s need for necessary ammunition to save their or their family’s lives?

    Yeah, that seems more than a bit elitist to me. After they retire, they used to consider themselves to be regular citizens. This sounds like some more of that some animals are more equal than others.

    Despicable, they are also supporting taking away fellow citizens’ rights as long as they get to keep theirs.

    BTW, what is the effectively date of the new NY abrogation of citizens’ rights?


  218. lobo91
    219 | January 17, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The basis of the suit would be the 7-bullet magazine limit. It is my understanding that 8 bullets are the standard capacity for a basic magazine, and have been for some time.

    There’s no single “standard capacity” for magazines. It depends on the gun.


  219. RIX
    220 | January 17, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ heysoos:

    On a lot of campuses the university administration dances to the
    Muslim tune.
    They like the anti-western thing & they fear the Muslims.


  220. citizen_q
    221 | January 17, 2013 5:17 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    BTW, what is the effectively date of the new NY abrogation of citizens’ rights?

    Sorry that I do not know.


  221. buzzsawmonkey
    222 | January 17, 2013 5:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    There’s no single “standard capacity” for magazines. It depends on the gun.

    Well, then, I’d need a consultant.

    I still say, however, that there is no rational basis for this law—and it certainly does not satisfy strict scrutiny.


  222. AZfederalist
    223 | January 17, 2013 5:18 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Police officers, federal agents, prison guards, state police and other members of law enforcement are already clamoring for an amendment to the law to allow the state’s 100,000 retired officers to keep 10 and 15-bullet magazines for their guns, insisting they need the extra firepower should they ever confront a Newtown, Conn., situation.

    Just realized that this is New York, where police require 15 rounds to get one hit. Now it makes sense.


  223. lobo91
    224 | January 17, 2013 5:20 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    There’s no single “standard capacity” for magazines. It depends on the gun.
    Well, then, I’d need a consultant.
    I still say, however, that there is no rational basis for this law—and it certainly does not satisfy strict scrutiny.

    That fact actually makes it worse. It’s just a random number they picked out of the air.


  224. 225 | January 17, 2013 5:23 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Just like the ten round limit that Obama wants. It’s just a number that sounds right to the gun controllers. Something to sound reasonable to the low information voters who don’t know any better. They’d make it a oneround limit if they thought they could sell it to the rubes. It is all just a prelude to confiscation, if they can get there.


  225. Mars
    226 | January 17, 2013 5:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    There’s no single “standard capacity” for magazines. It depends on the gun.
    Well, then, I’d need a consultant.
    I still say, however, that there is no rational basis for this law—and it certainly does not satisfy strict scrutiny.
    That fact actually makes it worse. It’s just a random number they picked out of the airass.

    That’s where libs get all their “facts”.


  226. lobo91
    227 | January 17, 2013 5:24 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Typical semi-auto pistol magazines range from 6 to 17 rounds. There are a lot of 10 round magazines in circulation for guns that will actually accept larger ones, because they were mandated during the “assault weapon ban” era, and several states still have that limit (like NJ and CA).


  227. lobo91
    228 | January 17, 2013 5:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It is all just a prelude to confiscation, if they can get there.

    Of course it is.


  228. heysoos
    229 | January 17, 2013 5:27 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Police officers, federal agents, prison guards, state police and other members of law enforcement are already clamoring for an amendment to the law to allow the state’s 100,000 retired officers to keep 10 and 15-bullet magazines for their guns, insisting they need the extra firepower should they ever confront a Newtown, Conn., situation.

    Just realized that this is New York, where police require 15 rounds to get one hit. Now it makes sense.

    they need more range time, but BO fucked them out of the ammo…so it’s more pole time instead


  229. buzzsawmonkey
    230 | January 17, 2013 5:27 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Just realized that this is New York, where police require 15 rounds to get one hit. Now it makes sense.

    Do they need ten bullets to kill a deer?


  230. Da_Beerfreak
    231 | January 17, 2013 5:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Just realized that this is New York, where police require 15 rounds to get one hit. Now it makes sense.

    Do they need ten bullets to kill a deer?

    All you really need is an old pickup truck…


  231. AZfederalist
    232 | January 17, 2013 5:38 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Dang, that should have bee effectivity date. iPad auto correct helped me out on that one


  232. AZfederalist
    233 | January 17, 2013 5:40 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Just realized that this is New York, where police require 15 rounds to get one hit. Now it makes sense.

    Do they need ten bullets to kill a deer?

    No, but apparently they need 40+ to kill one perp. and a couple innocent bystanders.


  233. unclassifiable
    234 | January 17, 2013 5:41 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Anyone who has watched Middle East gun fights will note that AQ fighters can easily turn 30 round AK mags into 60 round mags.

    The magical feat of engineering used to do this?

    Duct Tape.

    Ban Duct Tape!


  234. unclassifiable
    235 | January 17, 2013 5:42 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I haven’t seen anyone kill a deer with a tire iron yet…


  235. lobo91
    236 | January 17, 2013 5:44 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Of course, the typical Jihadi needs 60 rounds, since they’ve never learned what sights are for.


  236. buzzsawmonkey
    237 | January 17, 2013 5:45 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    Middle East gun fights

    It would be hilarious to do an “Eastern” instead of a Western; take the plot of a Western and transfer it to some sleepy little Middle Eastern town, with the new sheriff going up against the local al Qaeda brigands.

    Use all the cliches of the Western, including the final gun-battle showdown (with backshooters, of course) in the main street of the town.


  237. unclassifiable
    238 | January 17, 2013 5:48 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I vote Kinky Freidman wearing a Star of David as the sheriff.

    You had to know that was coming.


  238. buzzsawmonkey
    239 | January 17, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Sounds good to me.

    The possibilities are endless: a range war between the sheepmen and the goat herders; somebody caught camel-rustling; bellydancehall girls. It would be immense.


  239. Da_Beerfreak
    240 | January 17, 2013 6:03 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Scenario — Young lady comes home at the end of the day. She has locked her gun in a safe of some sort. Just after she gets in the house and before she has a chance to do more than take off her coat and put down her purse, two thugs bust in, beat the shit out of her, take turns raping her for a while, stangle her to death, steal all here stuff. Her body is found 3 days later.

    Want to rethink that crap about being required to keep your gun in a safe? Which Heller already declared unconstitutional anyway?

    The Gun Safe like any other tool has to be used correctly to be effective. This unfortunate young Lady was not using her gun safe correctly. This unfortunate scenario can be avoided in the future by simply educating young Ladies on the basics of gun safe safety.


  240. Speranza
    241 | January 17, 2013 6:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Aloutte wants an alliance of Muslims and Jews to take on Christians.

    Talk abut being delusional.


  241. The Osprey
  242. Da_Beerfreak
    243 | January 17, 2013 6:26 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    Not only does the NRA know how to fight, they are not afraid of fighting. Unlike the GOPeee which was last seen hiding under mommy’s bed… :twisted:


  243. The Osprey
    244 | January 17, 2013 6:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The basis of the suit would be the 7-bullet magazine limit. It is my understanding that 8 bullets are the standard capacity for a basic magazine, and have been for some time.

    Uh, no. Colt model 1911 .45′s designed by John Browning in 1911, have seven or 8 round “single stack” magazines.

    The Browning High Power 9mm, designed by Browning in the late 1920′s early 30′s -- was the first “double stack” magazine pistol and holds 13 rounds.

    Any modern double stack 9mm pistol made since the late 70′s, SiG’s, Glocks, Beretta 92′s Smith and Wesson M&P’s, CZ-75′s etc have magazines that hold at least 15 rounds on average, some hold more.


  244. buzzsawmonkey
    245 | January 17, 2013 6:30 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Well, that shows that I know almost as little about guns as the President and most of the major news media, doesn’t it?

    In the meantime, the fact that many standard magazines routinely hold more than 7 rounds merely bolsters my point—that the arbitrary and capricious limit imposed by New York has no rational basis, let alone compelling state interest, behind it, and that as such it is an unconstitutional chill on my fundamental rights.


  245. Da_Beerfreak
    246 | January 17, 2013 6:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Well, that shows that I know almost as little about guns as the President and most of the major news media, doesn’t it?

    In the meantime, the fact that many standard magazines routinely hold more than 7 rounds merely bolsters my point—that the arbitrary and capricious limit imposed by New York has no rational basis, let alone compelling state interest, behind it, and that as such it is an unconstitutional chill on my fundamental rights.

    The big difference is that you’re will to learn, the others, not so much…


  246. unclassifiable
    247 | January 17, 2013 6:56 pm

    The crazy thing about this is if you could get actually Obama on a gun range with one of those “assault weapons” the wannabe would probably get off on it.


  247. taxfreekiller
    248 | January 17, 2013 7:59 pm

    Seems to some the problem is a “salt and pepper” problem.

    “salt” John McCain
    “pepper” Collin Powell

    RINO’s
    RINO’s
    RINO’s

    Orginal Treason


  248. taxfreekiller
    249 | January 17, 2013 8:05 pm

    When push comes to shove regarding the RINO’s many like Cristy Cream Christy etal will just switch offical and vote full time commie out in the open.


  249. 250 | January 17, 2013 10:31 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Guess I am a bit of a Luddite. Or maybe its a combination of my IT background and growing mistrust of government, but I don’t trust that the votes I cast via electronic ballot are actually counted.
    Maybe I just need a better tin-foil hat.

    You are correct.

    There is no way that an electronic voting system can be secure.


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