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The little known first uprising of the Warsaw Ghetto, January 1943

by Speranza ( 100 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, History, Holocaust at January 18th, 2013 - 7:00 pm

Many people are familiar with the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of April 1943. However three months earlier, there was a little known Warsaw Ghetto Uprising which took place 70 years ago this month.

by Robert Rozett

Warsaw Ghetto monument in Poland

Warsaw Ghetto monument in Poland Photo: Agencja Gazeta/Reuters
In January 1943 there were only 60,000 Jews left in the Warsaw Ghetto.They were what remained of the approximately 440,000 Jews who had been confined there. One-fifth had died of disease and starvation during the past two years, and the previous summer some 265,000 had been deported to the Treblinka extermination camp, and over 30,000 to other camps.At the start of the great deportation, the head of the Jewish Council, Adam Czerniakow, had committed suicide rather than comply with German demands to provide census information about the ghetto, realizing the Germans would use it for the coming Aktion. His death, however, did nothing to stop the trains from rolling out of Warsaw.With Czerniakow dead, in the wake of the deportations a new de facto leadership emerged in the ghetto – the Jewish Fighting Organization (ZOB), headed by Mordecai Anielewicz. The ZOB was a coalition primarily of various Zionist youth movements and the Jewish socialist Bund.

Alongside it there was a smaller armed underground group, the Jewish Military Union (ZZW) which represented the Revisionist Zionists.

ON MONDAY, January 18, 1943, 70 years ago, German forces entered the ghetto to round up Jews for transport.

They planned to take about 8,000 people, but the ghetto population believed the final destruction of the ghetto was at hand. To the great surprise of the German forces, they met armed resistance.

A group of Hashomer Hatsair members, led by Anielewicz and armed with pistols they had received from the Polish Home Army, intercepted a column of Jews being led by a German force and fired upon the solders. In a nose-to-nose battle, most of the underground contingent was killed, but Anielewicz managed to overpower the soldier with whom he was struggling and he escaped unharmed.

The news of the clash spread quickly to other cells of the underground and they too began to resist. Yitzhak Zuckerman, with a party from the Dror Youth Movement, lay in wait for the German force on Zamenhof Street, and when they approached fired a volley at them.

During four days the Germans tried to round up Jews and were met by armed resistance. The ghetto inhabitants went through a swift change.

With the news of the first incident of fighting they stopped responding to the Germans’ calls that they gather in the Umschlagplatz. They began devising hiding places, and the Germans had to enter many buildings and ruthlessly pull out Jews. Many were killed in their homes when they refused to be taken.

On the fourth day, having only managed to seize between 5,000 to 6,000 Jews, the Germans withdrew from the ghetto. The remaining inhabitants believed that the armed resistance, combined with the difficulties in finding Jews in hiding, had led to the end of the Aktion. As a result, over the next months the armed under-grounds sought to strengthen themselves and the vast majority of ghetto residents zealously built more and better bunkers in which to hide.

All of this would be put to the test on April 19, 1943, when the Germans reentered the ghetto, this time to liquidate it completely.

Again they met armed resistance. The fighting would continue for three weeks before the ghetto was razed, and it would come to be known as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

THE FOUR days of Jewish armed resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto in January 1943 is much less known than the April uprising, but its significance was great at the time and remains consequential.

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Nonetheless, this first uprising provided a glimmer of hope, and was an enormous source of pride – tremendously important to people who had been profoundly traumatized by preceding events and had a good idea what was in the offing for them.

[......] We would be hard pressed to say they survived directly because of the armed resistance in the ghetto, but unquestionably, that resistance was crucial in helping the few survivors maintain their pride, dignity and motivation to survive, and ultimately rebuild their shattered lives.

The January 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising teaches us a great deal about the human spirit, about resilience and about courage. It demonstrates that the very act of resistance against oppression can inspire further resistance.

In taking up arms against those who considered them less than human, the men and women in the Warsaw Ghetto on January 18, 1943, issued a resounding clarion call asserting their humanity.

It is this, above all, that we must remember and hold dear.

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  1. heysoos
    1 | January 18, 2013 7:11 pm

    Duke Nukem is a Jewboy…
    jus sayin


  2. yenta-fada
    2 | January 18, 2013 7:27 pm

    This is so interesting. Sorry, Speranza…dinner.


  3. citizen_q
    3 | January 18, 2013 7:37 pm

    If I remember from reading the Bravest Battle The Polish Home Army from what little help they did provide was grudging. I believe the tenor was, why should they stick their necks out for Jews?

    History being what it is. I don’t understand why my fellow Jews are not the strongest supporters of our 2nd Amendment.

    If if were up to me. Krav Maga and firarms training would be part of Bar Mitzvah preparations.

    Guess I am a bit of a bad sort.


  4. darkwords
    4 | January 18, 2013 7:50 pm

    Keep your guns and gun rights.


  5. Dolphin
    5 | January 18, 2013 7:51 pm

    A really good read on war time Poland is The Zookeeper’s Wife: A War Story

    A true story in which the keepers of the Warsaw zoo saved hundreds of people from Nazi hands.

    When Germany invaded Poland, bombers devastated Warsaw -- and the city’s zoo along with it. With most of their animals dead, zookeepers Jan and Antonina Zabinski began smuggling Jews into the empty cages. Another dozen “guests” hid inside the Zabinskis’ villa, emerging after dark for dinner, socializing, and, during rare moments of calm, piano concerts. Jan, active in the Polish resistance, kept ammunition buried in the elephant enclosure and stashed explosives in the animal hospital. Meanwhile, Antonina kept her unusual household afloat, caring for both its human and its animal inhabitants and refusing to give in to the penetrating fear of discovery, even as Europe crumbled around her.


  6. citizen_q
    6 | January 18, 2013 7:52 pm

    @ darkwords:
    Wondering if I need to invest in some 8″ PVC, end caps, and cosmoline.


  7. Fritz Katz
    7 | January 18, 2013 7:57 pm

    The JPFO has an English translation of the Nazi “Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons“, 11 November 1938. They also have a PDF showing every totalitarian state: Pol Pot, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, … also imposed gun controls before they started programs of systemic genocide.

    Meanwhile, over at leftist sites like Salon, and neo-nazi sites like NatVan they’re busy revising history saying that it’s all myth.

    Which ones are you going to believe? The “Jewboys“, or the respected Salon.


  8. gibsonz
    8 | January 18, 2013 8:04 pm

    Too funny…my old LGF account has been suspended and my Ace-of-spades login have been denied on the SAME DAY…either I have a IP conflict or I have been cast a middle of the road terrorist!


  9. darkwords
    9 | January 18, 2013 8:08 pm

    @ Dolphin: Thanks using my one click amazon bookmarker to add to wishlist


  10. darkwords
    10 | January 18, 2013 8:08 pm

    @ 6 citizen_q: Keep a few boxes of Claymore mines in the garage.


  11. darkwords
    11 | January 18, 2013 8:10 pm

    @ 7 Fritz Katz:
    i was on a center left web site yesterday were they were talking the need to gun control. I left a link to pro gun arguments and asked for the complimentary lefty response to those. the consensus of the posters was that I was off topic and thread jacking. lol. The left doesn’t hear.


  12. lobo91
    12 | January 18, 2013 8:24 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 7 Fritz Katz:
    i was on a center left web site yesterday were they were talking the need to gun control. I left a link to pro gun arguments and asked for the complimentary lefty response to those. the consensus of the posters was that I was off topic and thread jacking. lol. The left doesn’t hear.

    I’ll bet they think this is just dandy, though:

    NRA President Says He And His Family Have Received Hundreds Of Death Threats, Blames Obama For “Demonizing” The NRA…


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | January 18, 2013 8:33 pm

    @ darkwords:
    @ lobo91:

    wait’ll yinz see the gun thread on 1500 saturday…oh boy. this is gonna be fun.


  14. lobo91
    14 | January 18, 2013 8:34 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I don’t usually watch Hannity, but I’m going to tonight. Wayne Lapierre is going to be on for the entire hour.


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | January 18, 2013 8:38 pm

    neither the toxicology report on Lanza’s corpse nor the police report on his crime have been completed.

    of course they havent. the facts would get in the way of exploiting this tragedy.


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | January 18, 2013 8:40 pm

    Lanza reportedly destroyed the hard drive to his computer, further complicating the investigation. A plumber who worked at the Lanza home said Adam spent hours in his basement playing violent video games, such as “Call of Duty.”

    Britain’s Daily Mail newspaper reported that a former classmate said Lanza “worshipped the devil” and had an “online page dedicated to Satan.”

    “The FBI are trying to piece together his smashed up hard drive to see if his online footprint will reveal any motive for the killing, but they strongly believe he made use of devil-worshiping and suicide sites and boasted of his murder plans on message forums,” according to the Daily Mail.

    the brits report the problem with this punk. not so much here,


  17. Dolphin
    17 | January 18, 2013 8:40 pm

    @ darkwords:
    As are most books on this history it is tough at times, but not too much. I got through it and learned a lot. The book, to me, was interesting because it was from a non-jewish aspect, but they were sympathetic to the time. They were also targets (as were many non-jews) because of their stance.


  18. Speranza
    18 | January 18, 2013 8:41 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    This is so interesting. Sorry, Speranza…dinner.

    Glad you liked reading about it.


  19. Speranza
    19 | January 18, 2013 8:42 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    As are most books on this history it is tough at times, but not too much. I got through it and learned a lot. The book, to me, was interesting because it was from a non-jewish aspect, but they were sympathetic to the time. They were also targets (as were many non-jews) because of their stance.

    I can foresee our future books making Barack Obama out to be the greatest American ever.


  20. Speranza
    20 | January 18, 2013 8:42 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lanza reportedly destroyed the hard drive to his computer, further complicating the investigation. A plumber who worked at the Lanza home said Adam spent hours in his basement playing violent video games, such as “Call of Duty.”
    Britain’s Daily Mail newspaper reported that a former classmate said Lanza “worshipped the devil” and had an “online page dedicated to Satan.”
    “The FBI are trying to piece together his smashed up hard drive to see if his online footprint will reveal any motive for the killing, but they strongly believe he made use of devil-worshiping and suicide sites and boasted of his murder plans on message forums,” according to the Daily Mail.

    the brits report the problem with this punk. not so much here,

    The MSM is looking for the tea party link.


  21. coldwarrior
  22. lobo91
    22 | January 18, 2013 8:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Well, he should be happy now.

    He can probably even get an autograph.


  23. Dolphin
    23 | January 18, 2013 8:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    I don’t usually watch Hannity, but I’m going to tonight. Wayne Lapierre is going to be on for the entire hour.

    Who is Wayne Lapierre?


  24. lobo91
    24 | January 18, 2013 8:50 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    CEO of the NRA


  25. Dolphin
    25 | January 18, 2013 8:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Does anyone else think that “mom” looks a lot like Barbra Streisand?


  26. coldwarrior
    26 | January 18, 2013 8:52 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Does anyone else think that “mom” looks a lot like Barbra Streisand?

    looks like a psycho family to me.


  27. heysoos
    27 | January 18, 2013 8:53 pm

    Allman Brothers fans are ferociously rabid…I know because I am one…you haven’t lived til you catch them at the Beacon in NYC…they play several shows there every winter…big time guests show up, the St Pauli Girl flows like wine and all is good in the universe…like this


  28. Dolphin
    28 | January 18, 2013 8:53 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Thanks. Can “see” him, didn’t know his name. Shame on me!


  29. Speranza
    29 | January 18, 2013 8:54 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    check this out
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250608/Adam-Lanzas-classmate-reveals-Sandy-Hook-gunman-online-devil-worshiping-page.html
    hot of the presses today. its creepy.

    Well he was a creep and I am sure he is by Satan’s side as I write this.


  30. Speranza
    30 | January 18, 2013 8:56 pm

    @ heysoos:
    OT -- by the way on last nights JFK thread you said that Lee Harvey Oswald could not hit a barn even from the inside. He actually qualified as a marksman with the Marine Corps.


  31. lobo91
    31 | January 18, 2013 8:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    By the way on last nights JFK thread you said that Lee Harvey Oswald could not hit a barn even from the inside. He actually qualified as a marksman with the Marine Corps.

    Which is the lowest possible rating.


  32. Dolphin
    32 | January 18, 2013 9:02 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Maybe why Dad and the other brother distanced themselves from this mess. Mom probably wanted to or should have, OR DONE THE RIGHT THING AND GOT HER DISTURBED SON HELP, but thought she could save him.

    A hard thing to do for a parent, but a parent has to recognize their limitations -- whether it is a disability or a mental issue.

    And NO I do not believe they are the same.


  33. heysoos
    33 | January 18, 2013 9:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    OT — by the way on last nights JFK thread you said that Lee Harvey Oswald could not hit a barn even from the inside. He actually qualified as a marksman with the Marine Corps.

    Oswald was no marksman by any standard…his rifle was a piece of shit, he was no big dog shooter…he got lucky at close range as proof provides…the shot that blew up JFK did not come from Oswald….impossible


  34. heysoos
    34 | January 18, 2013 9:09 pm

    @ lobo91:
    right


  35. lobo91
    35 | January 18, 2013 9:11 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Oddly enough, I do know a thing or two about shooting…and the military.


  36. heysoos
    36 | January 18, 2013 9:16 pm

    @ lobo91:
    my dads Marine medal/badge says expert, then there are a couple of small badges below connected by a fine chain…expert pistol


  37. lobo91
    37 | January 18, 2013 9:19 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The Marines use the same three qualification levels as the Army: Marksman, Sharpshooter, and Expert.

    If you don’t make at least Marksman, you don’t graduate from basic training.


  38. Calo
    38 | January 18, 2013 9:20 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Maybe why Dad and the other brother distanced themselves from this mess. Mom probably wanted to or should have, OR DONE THE RIGHT THING AND GOT HER DISTURBED SON HELP, but thought she could save him.

    A hard thing to do for a parent, but a parent has to recognize their limitations — whether it is a disability or a mental issue.

    And NO I do not believe they are the same.

    What aren’t the same thing?
    A physical disability vs a mental disability.

    I’m not sure I understand.


  39. heysoos
    39 | January 18, 2013 9:21 pm

    @ lobo91:
    there you have it, thanks


  40. huckfunn
    40 | January 18, 2013 9:25 pm

    :grin:


  41. Prebanned
    41 | January 18, 2013 9:28 pm

    @ heysoos:
    It was 50 to 80 yards, and a carcano is easy to shoot fast.


  42. Dolphin
    42 | January 18, 2013 9:34 pm

    @ Calo:
    I understand your question and will try and explain it -- if you have a child that has a physical need for additional attention -- let’s use blindness or deafness. Born with it. But a mental issue is not apparent (visibly) immediately., but develops over time (a mental illness like schizophrenia). As a parent, you cannot be in denial that your child is blind, but if your child starts showing signs of schizophrenia at a age 12 -- it, as a parent hard to grasp.

    JMO.

    Maybe I am wrong or not explaining myself correctly.


  43. RIX
    43 | January 18, 2013 9:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    The Marines use the same three qualification levels as the Army: Marksman, Sharpshooter, and Expert.

    If you don’t make at least Marksman, you don’t graduate from basic training.

    And your life becomes a world of shit.


  44. lobo91
    44 | January 18, 2013 9:40 pm

    @ RIX:

    That too.


  45. Calo
    45 | January 18, 2013 9:44 pm

    @ Dolphin:
    I understand now.

    Thank for clarifying, Dolphin.


  46. RIX
    46 | January 18, 2013 9:50 pm

    Published January 18, 2013
    Associated Press

    WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. – A suburban New York newspaper that outraged gun owners by posting the names and addresses of residents with handgun permits removed the information from its website Friday.

    The Journal News took down the data just three days after the state enacted a gun control law that included privacy provisions for permit holders.

    Hmmm,they couldn’t take the heat anymore.

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/journal-news/2013/01/18/gun-map-gone#ixzz2INzArWCC


  47. Dolphin
    47 | January 18, 2013 9:56 pm

    @ Calo:
    Never was a mother, but does not mean my motherly instincts are not intact. It is natural for a mother to protect their own -- hey, I am a step-mom and that is still there! It is a hardline for a mother to say “I can’t deal” with a child, no matter what the age of the child.


  48. Moe Katz
    49 | January 18, 2013 9:59 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    LOL


  49. coldwarrior
    50 | January 18, 2013 10:03 pm

    note: the new program ‘america unearthed’ on h2 is really interesting.


  50. Moe Katz
    51 | January 18, 2013 10:03 pm

    For the record, notwithstanding the paranoia of a fellow Blogmocker, my nic alludes to Finicky Morris from the old Nine Lives cat food commercials.


  51. coldwarrior
    52 | January 18, 2013 10:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    no! and the irony is lost on most 0 supporters.


  52. citizen_q
    53 | January 18, 2013 10:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Assploding Irony Alert: Holder Vows To Go After “Gun Traffickers Who Help Funnel Weapons To Dangerous Criminals”…
    Is he going to arrest himself?

    I believe it’s code, remember who he is. Gun Traffickers are obviously gun and sporting goods stores.

    Dangerous Criminals, well that would be you and me.


  53. Speranza
    54 | January 18, 2013 10:08 pm

    I took a pick at our old friend Paula Connell’s (Irish Rose) twitter page. She is a nasty beyotch (shocker).


  54. lobo91
    55 | January 18, 2013 10:09 pm

    More irony:

    NRA: Biden Told Us “We Don’t Have The Time” To Enforce Existing Gun Laws…

    So…the answer is to pass even more gun laws?


  55. coldwarrior
    56 | January 18, 2013 10:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    More irony:
    NRA: Biden Told Us “We Don’t Have The Time” To Enforce Existing Gun Laws…
    So…the answer is to pass even more gun laws?

    dont have the time to enforce laws in urban areas…but everywhere eles??? oh yes

    c’mere obc and hand it over.


  56. citizen_q
    57 | January 18, 2013 10:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    More irony:
    NRA: Biden Told Us “We Don’t Have The Time” To Enforce Existing Gun Laws…
    So…the answer is to pass even more gun laws?

    The better to make criminals of all of us. See my number 53.


  57. coldwarrior
    58 | January 18, 2013 10:15 pm

    here we go

    “Most people are law-abiding citizens and may go ahead and sell those or turn those over, but you’re going to have a fraction of people that are going to take a stand, and I can just predict a Waco-style standoff in some rural area and it’s not going to end well,” Gloversville, New York Mayor Dayton King (I) said about New York state’s new gun control laws that Gov. Cuomo recently signed into law. (source: WXXA-TV)


  58. lobo91
    59 | January 18, 2013 10:20 pm

    Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president’s words during an interview with The Daily Caller: “And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”

    Submitting false information on an ATF Form 4473 — required for the necessary background check to obtain a firearm — is a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison, depending on prior convictions and a judge’s discretion, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    So…they don’t have the time to prosecute people for lying on 4473s…which is the primary way they have to get people for gun trafficking…which Holder says they’re going to crack down on.

    My head hurts…


  59. eaglesoars
    60 | January 18, 2013 10:20 pm

    HEY SPERANZA!!

    Did the Nazis disarm just the Jews or all Germans?

    coldwarrior wrote:

    note: the new program ‘america unearthed’ on h2 is really interesting.

    Thanks! just found it and yer right………….


  60. eaglesoars
    61 | January 18, 2013 10:22 pm

    @ lobo91:

    lobo91 -- quick question -- I was reading Takedown yesterday (Brad Thor) and it mentioned in passing that some 12 ga shotguns can fire flechettes. Know anything abut that?


  61. coldwarrior
    62 | January 18, 2013 10:22 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    the one about the minoans mining copper in the upper great lakes was really excellent


  62. The Osprey
    63 | January 18, 2013 10:23 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Assploding Irony Alert: Holder Vows To Go After “Gun Traffickers Who Help Funnel Weapons To Dangerous Criminals”…
    Is he going to arrest himself?

    I believe it’s code, remember who he is. Gun Traffickers are obviously gun and sporting goods stores.

    The Cabela’s Cartel


  63. lobo91
    64 | January 18, 2013 10:25 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    lobo91 — quick question — I was reading Takedown yesterday (Brad Thor) and it mentioned in passing that some 12 ga shotguns can fire flechettes. Know anything abut that?

    A 12 gauge will fire just about anything you can stuff into a shell.


  64. lobo91
    65 | January 18, 2013 10:27 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    12 ga flechette rounds


  65. Speranza
    66 | January 18, 2013 10:28 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    HEY SPERANZA!!
    Did the Nazis disarm just the Jews or all Germans?
    coldwarrior wrote:

    note: the new program ‘america unearthed’ on h2 is really interesting.

    Thanks! just found it and yer right………….

    I would think all Germans. Nazism means control and they certainly did not want anti Nazis (of which there were plenty) to be able to take a shot at the Fuhrer. The Nazis were not libertarians.


  66. Speranza
    67 | January 18, 2013 10:29 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    If if were up to me. Krav Maga and firarms training would be part of Bar Mitzvah preparations.

    Well I have KM training.


  67. lobo91
    68 | January 18, 2013 10:30 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Various 12 ga specialty rounds


  68. Speranza
    69 | January 18, 2013 10:30 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    History being what it is. I don’t understand why my fellow Jews are not the strongest supporters of our 2nd Amendment.

    They think of themselves as liberals fist and foremost.


  69. coldwarrior
    70 | January 18, 2013 10:33 pm

    @ lobo91:

    if i owned any guns i would get this

    This is 12 Gauge Rhodesian Jungle Ammo. This ammo is loaded with BB and OO buckshot. This is the best dual load for home protection. The combination of the BB and Buckshot gives this round a really good pattern. This ammo does a lot of damage to its target. It is a 2 3/4″ shell and is loaded to a max load. It is safe to shoot in all 12 gauge shotguns


  70. lobo91
    71 | January 18, 2013 10:35 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    This looks interesting, although I’m not sure what it’s really good for other than starting a big ass fire:

    This is 12 Gauge Phoenix Burst Ammo. The Phoenix Burst round is comparable to a Nightlighter round. This ammunition produces an enormous wall of sparks and extremely hot Titanium flakes for 150+ feet. The Titanium flakes contained inside burn when fired at over 3000 degrees fahrenheit, showering your target in a momentary wall of hot Titanium flakes. WARNING! This ammunition is an EXTREME fire hazard. Do not shoot in any dry grass, foliage, trees, or near flammable materials. Please use extreme caution. This ammo is extremely dangerous. This ammo can be shot in any 12 gauge shotgun that accepts 2 3/4″ shells. This ammo will not do any damage to your weapon. It is safe to shoot in all 12 gauge shotguns.


  71. The Osprey
    72 | January 18, 2013 10:36 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    here we go

    “Most people are law-abiding citizens and may go ahead and sell those or turn those over, but you’re going to have a fraction of people that are going to take a stand, and I can just predict a Waco-style standoff in some rural area and it’s not going to end well,” Gloversville, New York Mayor Dayton King (I) said about New York state’s new gun control laws that Gov. Cuomo recently signed into law. (source: WXXA-TV)

    No More Free Wacos: An Explication Of The Obvious Addressed To Attorney General Eric Holder


  72. coldwarrior
    73 | January 18, 2013 10:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    jeeze! yep, big assed fire.

    :lol:


  73. eaglesoars
    74 | January 18, 2013 10:37 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You are very sweet, thank you!

    Speranza wrote:

    I would think all Germans

    That’s what I think, but I don’t think I’ve actually read anything about it either way -- just that the Nazis disarmed people.


  74. The Osprey
    75 | January 18, 2013 10:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    if i owned any guns i would get this

    This is 12 Gauge Rhodesian Jungle Ammo. This ammo is loaded with BB and OO buckshot. This is the best dual load for home protection. The combination of the BB and Buckshot gives this round a really good pattern. This ammo does a lot of damage to its target. It is a 2 3/4″ shell and is loaded to a max load. It is safe to shoot in all 12 gauge shotguns

    Pamwe Chete! Slot floppies!


  75. lobo91
    76 | January 18, 2013 10:39 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Shotguns are a lot like old-fashioned cannons. They’ll fire pretty much whatever you can fit into them.

    You could probably load a shell with diamonds if you wanted to, just in case you run into any 8 foot tall lizard creatures.


  76. lobo91
    77 | January 18, 2013 10:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I like the warning not to use it around pretty much anything flammable.

    Maybe you’re supposed to use it in a concrete block room…


  77. eaglesoars
    78 | January 18, 2013 10:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    This is 12 Gauge Rhodesian Jungle Ammo.

    I liked that, but I also like the flechette -- it’ll tear you up. The Pheonix -- well, problematic. Fires are not easy to control.


  78. coldwarrior
    79 | January 18, 2013 10:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    You could probably load a shell with diamonds if you wanted to, just in case you run into any 8 foot tall lizard creatures.

    nice reference!

    :lol:


  79. lobo91
    80 | January 18, 2013 10:43 pm


  80. coldwarrior
    81 | January 18, 2013 10:45 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Pamwe Chete! Slot floppies!

    quite!


  81. lobo91
    82 | January 18, 2013 10:45 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    This is 12 Gauge Rhodesian Jungle Ammo.
    I liked that, but I also like the flechette — it’ll tear you up. The Pheonix — well, problematic. Fires are not easy to control.

    Sounds like something they’d use in one of the Expendables movies.


  82. song_and_dance_man
    83 | January 18, 2013 10:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Nice homemade Blunderbuss. I wonder why the Gorn didn’t say stop and then hold up a Stop sign?


  83. citizen_q
    84 | January 18, 2013 10:46 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Dam it Jim! I’m a doctor not a herpetologist!


  84. coldwarrior
    85 | January 18, 2013 10:47 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    This is 12 Gauge Rhodesian Jungle Ammo.
    I liked that, but I also like the flechette — it’ll tear you up. The Pheonix — well, problematic. Fires are not easy to control.

    if i owned a 12 ga home defense gun i’d have ordered these rhodie rounds already. too bad i dont tho.


  85. eaglesoars
    86 | January 18, 2013 10:49 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    if i owned a 12 ga home defense gun i’d have ordered these rhodie rounds already

    I think I will -- AND the flechettes. Especially as they’re in stock.


  86. lobo91
    87 | January 18, 2013 10:52 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Nice homemade Blunderbuss. I wonder why the Gorn didn’t say stop and then hold up a Stop sign?

    Cuomo has now banned homemade cannons, too.

    And sulfur.


  87. coldwarrior
    88 | January 18, 2013 10:52 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    if i owned a 12 ga home defense gun i’d have ordered these rhodie rounds already
    I think I will — AND the flechettes. Especially as they’re in stock.

    flechettes -- rhodie -flechettes -- rhodie -flechettes -- rhodie -flechettes -- rhodie

    rinse, reload, repeat.


  88. song_and_dance_man
    89 | January 18, 2013 10:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Cuomo has now banned homemade cannons, too.

    Even potato cannons?


  89. lobo91
    90 | January 18, 2013 10:57 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Cuomo has now banned homemade cannons, too.
    Even potato cannons?

    Especially potato cannons.


  90. CynicalConservative
    91 | January 18, 2013 11:01 pm

    Good grief. I just tried to “engage” some libtards at the Oregon paper on the sheriffs disregard for unconstitutional gun laws for about an hour (using sanctuary cities as an example). I think I’ve lost IQ points and may have permanent damage. Kudos to those who can do it regularly, I just don’t have the patience. Galt is not just a tagline for me, I don’t know how much more I can take. (Those here are welcome when I secure my acreage.)

    /galt


  91. lobo91
    92 | January 18, 2013 11:06 pm

    @ CynicalConservative:

    I think those 12 gauge flechette rounds would be the best way to “engage” them…
    //


  92. CynicalConservative
    93 | January 18, 2013 11:09 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Yep. Wish I was back in CoS. Didn’t want to leave, but jobs, salary, etc. Someday. Or Flagstaff, Az.

    /galt


  93. coldwarrior
    94 | January 18, 2013 11:10 pm

    oot is up, yinz.


  94. CynicalConservative
    95 | January 18, 2013 11:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yeah, so. I just got here, I don’t want to move.

    (ok, just kidding, as long as I get to try the kids jungle gym.)

    /galt


  95. citizen_q
    96 | January 18, 2013 11:14 pm

    Good night


  96. The Osprey
    97 | January 18, 2013 11:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    This is 12 Gauge Rhodesian Jungle Ammo.
    I liked that, but I also like the flechette — it’ll tear you up. The Pheonix — well, problematic. Fires are not easy to control.

    if i owned a 12 ga home defense gun i’d have ordered these rhodie rounds already. too bad i dont tho.

    Well given my obsession with all things Rhodesian, I’m going to have to order some for my 870.

    The Rhodies had a class act for a combat shotgun, it was an 18″ barreled FN made humpback Browning semiauto.


  97. Moe Katz
    98 | January 19, 2013 12:23 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    Well given my obsession with all things Rhodesian

    Yeah, you really had me thinking you were from ‘Zim.’


  98. Speranza
    99 | January 19, 2013 7:48 am

    Re-reading this thread you guy stalking about guns and ammunition are like teenaged boys talking about sex.


  99. Speranza
    100 | January 19, 2013 7:50 am

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    Good grief. I just tried to “engage” some libtards at the Oregon paper on the sheriffs disregard for unconstitutional gun laws for about an hour (using sanctuary cities as an example). I think I’ve lost IQ points and may have permanent damage.

    How many minutes of your life that you will never have back did you lose?


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