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Andrew McCarthy goes after John McCain’s foreign policy influence

by Rodan ( 189 Comments › )
Filed under Al Qaeda, Dhimmitude, Islamists, Muslim Brotherhood, Republican Party at January 20th, 2013 - 8:00 am

One of the factors that led to Mitt Romney’s defeat was his support for nation building. Romney had supported the Arab Spring and the Libyan war. Even worse he was openly calling for war with Syria. This stance turned off voters and prevented him from going after Obama on foreign policy. Romney was following the prevailing nation building view of the Republican Establishment.

John McCain’s is the defacto foreign policy leader of the Republican Party. He pushes the nation building/interventionist worldview on the rest of the Party. Up and coming Republicans like Kelly Ayotte and Marco Rubio parrot his views. Anyone who question the nation building/interventionist views of McCain and the Establishments is labeled Isolationist or an anti-Semite. Andrew McCarthy picks apart John McCain and the establishment foreign policy philosophy.

I wonder if the jihadists of eastern Libya are still “heroes” to John McCain. That’s what he called them — “my heroes” — after he changed on a dime from chummy Qaddafi tent guest to rabid Qaddafi scourge.

See, the senator and his allies in the Obama-Clinton State Department had a brilliant notion: The reason the “rebels” of eastern Libya hated America so much had nothing to do with their totalitarian, incorrigibly anti-Western ideology. No, no: The problem was that we sided with Qaddafi, giving the dictator — at the insistence of, well, McCain and the State Department — foreign aid, military assistance, and international legitimacy. If we just threw Qaddafi under the bus, the rebels would surely become our grand democratic allies.

[....]

This week, while the guys the senator and the Obama administration aligned us with in Libya (and would like to align us with in Syria) were busy taking Americans and other foreigners hostage in Algeria, in addition to using Qaddafi’s arsenal to fight the French in Mali, McCain was working his magic in Cairo.

An unfortunate hiccup: McCain and his entourage, including fellow Libya hawk Lindsey Graham, showed up on President Mohamed Morsi’s doorstep just as it was revealed that Morsi, while a top Muslim Brotherhood official in 2010, had inveighed against Jews, calling them “blood-suckers” and “the descendants of apes and pigs” and claiming it was incumbent on Egyptians to “nurse our children and our grandchildren on hatred” toward them.

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Not to worry: McCain & Co. have promised to go to bat for Egypt’s swell president. Sure, he has imposed a sharia constitution just as crazies like Michele Bachmann predicted the Muslim Brotherhood would do if it took power. That would be the same sharia that, less than two years ago, McCain condemned as “anti-democratic — at least as far as women are concerned.” Back then, McCain was warning that the Brotherhood had to be kept out of the government if there was to be any hope for democracy in Egypt. After all, he explained, the Brothers “have been involved with other terrorist organizations.”

Now, however, McCain says he will push for American taxpayers to fork up another $480 million for Morsi. Or, to be accurate, borrow another $480 million.

Michele Bachmann to her credit along with Rand Paul are the only 2 Republicans standing up to the Nation Building/Interventionist Wilsonian foreign policy of the GOP.  Outlets suck as Hot Air repeat the lies of John McCain and push his views onto the rest of Conservatives. It is time for the GOP to ditch nation building and adopt a national interest based foreign policy. They should listen to Andrew McCarthy and not the senile Senator from Arizona.

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189 Responses to “Andrew McCarthy goes after John McCain’s foreign policy influence”
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  1. 1 | January 20, 2013 8:15 am

    Unfortunately, we’re stuck with السناتور ماكين until he either retires, is primaried out, or dies.


  2. 2 | January 20, 2013 8:21 am

    Macker wrote:

    Unfortunately, we’re stuck with السناتور ماكين until he either retires, is primaried out, or dies.

    Hasn’t McCain already announced his retirement after completion of his current term?


  3. Bumr50
    3 | January 20, 2013 8:32 am

    @ MacDuff:

    McCain’s the type of person who will never go away, and possibly even do MORE damage once retired.

    He’ll be free to “represent the GOP” on as many media outlets as possible.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | January 20, 2013 9:16 am

    mccain wore out his ‘war hero’ status with me and a bunch of other veterans a long time ago.


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | January 20, 2013 9:17 am

    i put mccain on the same level as john murtha.


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | January 20, 2013 9:29 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    now that i think about it, murtha and mcacian arent on the same level, i apologize to murtha. murtha sold out a few marines, mccain is selling out western civilization.


  7. 7 | January 20, 2013 9:49 am

    BTW, as of this morning, “Gates of Vienna” is officially blocked for violation of terms.


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | January 20, 2013 9:53 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    BTW, as of this morning, “Gates of Vienna” is officially blocked for violation of terms.

    blocked??? whaddimiss?


  9. Bumr50
    9 | January 20, 2013 10:06 am

    @ Mike C.:
    @ coldwarrior:

    Could be just a security issue.


  10. 10 | January 20, 2013 10:07 am

    @ Mike C.:
    @ coldwarrior:

    I would strongly suggest to the authors of Gates of Vienna to get the hell off of Blogger!


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | January 20, 2013 10:17 am

    @ Bumr50:
    @ Macker:

    they might have to move house.


  12. lobo91
    12 | January 20, 2013 10:33 am

    McCain was unavailable for comment…

    Mali Residents Tired Of Life Under Sharia Law Lynch Prominent Islamist Leader…

    Residents in the northern Malian town of Gao on Saturday lynched a prominent Islamist leader in retaliation for the killing of a local journalist earlier in the day, residents and the office of Mali’s president said.

    Residents in Gao, a northern Malian town under Islamist rebel control since mid-2012, have previously protested against the strict imposition of Islamic law but, if confirmed, the lynching would be a first of a fighter by civilians.

    The incident comes after over a week of French air strikes on Islamist positions sought to break the grip of al Qaeda-linked fighters on northern Mali.


  13. AZfederalist
    13 | January 20, 2013 10:40 am

    Outlets such as Hot Air repeat the lies of John McCain and push his views onto the rest of Conservatives

    Not sure where you are getting that impression. A search on HotAir for “Morsi” turns up no articles favorable to him and all articles pointing to him as an Islamic dictator. McCain is certainly not a favored person over there either.


  14. AZfederalist
    14 | January 20, 2013 10:44 am

    Is WordPress having issues this morning? Having problems with this and HotAir reloading at times.

    /out for the rest of the morning.


  15. RIX
    15 | January 20, 2013 10:47 am

    As a young man, McCain was a hero.
    he has gone past his shelf life as an elected official though.
    He sees almost any interrogaion technique a torture because
    of his own experience.
    He sees heros where there are murderous Islmists.
    he pals with the likes of John Kerry & even went on a suck up
    visit to Viet Nam with him.


  16. RIX
    16 | January 20, 2013 10:56 am

    Sam Jacobs@sampjacobs
    “I am proud to be president of the United States,” Vice President Joe Biden tells Iowa party. First laughter, then long cheer.
    19 Jan 13 ReplyRetweetFavorite

    We’re in good hands.


  17. eaglesoars
    17 | January 20, 2013 11:03 am

    So tell me again why Michelle Bachman is a nut case?


  18. 18 | January 20, 2013 11:03 am

    @ RIX:

    Five years in the Hanoi Hilton has to have a profound and lasting effect on one’s psyche, and I understand he had a reputation as being a bit reckless from the beginning. I’m in awe of what he endured and the honor he showed as a POW, but his judgement before, and particularly over the decades following that ordeal is highly questionable. How anyone could expect dispassionate and logical thinking on subjects like torture from him, given his experiences, is beyond me.


  19. coldwarrior
    19 | January 20, 2013 11:04 am

    RIX wrote:

    Sam Jacobs@sampjacobs
    “I am proud to be president of the United States,” Vice President Joe Biden tells Iowa party. First laughter, then long cheer.
    19 Jan 13 ReplyRetweetFavorite
    We’re in good hands.

    oh my.

    pinhead joe strikes again!


  20. coldwarrior
    20 | January 20, 2013 11:09 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    So tell me again why Michelle Bachman is a nut case?

    broken clock…she can be right twice a day.


  21. 21 | January 20, 2013 11:10 am

    @ cold warrior:

    These incidents increasingly look like something beyond simple “gaffes”.


  22. heysoos
    22 | January 20, 2013 11:10 am

    the NRA is a fringe extremist organization…okey dokey
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/19/sen-chuck-schumer-says-the-nra-is-an-extreme-fringe-group/


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | January 20, 2013 11:12 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    How anyone could expect dispassionate and logical thinking on subjects like torture from him, given his experiences, is beyond me.

    this goes beyond water-boarding.


  24. RIX
    24 | January 20, 2013 11:14 am

    @ MacDuff:
    Morning Mac. Yes, McCain is a true American hero.
    In his later life though he is at best naieve.


  25. coldwarrior
    25 | January 20, 2013 11:14 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ cold warrior:
    These incidents increasingly look like something beyond simple “gaffes”.

    so he is professional comic relief?

    i can go for that. that actually makes the most sense of why he is even anywhere near the levels of power!


  26. RIX
    26 | January 20, 2013 11:16 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Sam Jacobs@sampjacobs
    “I am proud to be president of the United States,” Vice President Joe Biden tells Iowa party. First laughter, then long cheer.
    19 Jan 13 ReplyRetweetFavorite
    We’re in good hands.

    oh my.

    pinhead joe strikes again!

    But they told us that Sarah Palin is not smart enough for the job!


  27. heysoos
    27 | January 20, 2013 11:16 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ cold warrior:
    These incidents increasingly look like something beyond simple “gaffes”.

    his brain is chopped liver…the result of his elitist, power mad life style


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | January 20, 2013 11:17 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Morning Mac. Yes, McCain is a true American hero.
    In his later life though he is at best naieve.

    benedict arnold was a true american hero at one time as well.

    mccain is privy to the best intelligence, the best threat assessment, and the best inside analysis ever in the history of man yet he cant deduce what schumcks on a blog can about the muslim brotherhood and others just by reading the papaer. this is willful.


  29. coldwarrior
    29 | January 20, 2013 11:19 am

    RIX wrote:

    But they told us that Sarah Palin is not smart enough for the job!

    yeah…amazing.


  30. 30 | January 20, 2013 11:20 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    She says exactly what Rodan wants to hear on Islam, so the MFM hates her. That means she’s “making the Republican Party look bad”, so she’s a “nutcase”. Despite being right more often than most politicians at a national level. Of course, the MFM is goig to hateanywone that takes a vocal stand against Islam, so it really is a no-win situation. Much better to go along with the nation building and embrace the Muslim Brotherhood. And believe me, the wafflers in the House and Senate notice this. Bachman mispoke once, but that was enough to exile her and almost cost her her seat.


  31. RIX
    31 | January 20, 2013 11:25 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Benedict Arnold is a good example. He was a hero & was trusted
    by Washington.
    Look what he did.


  32. RIX
    32 | January 20, 2013 11:26 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    But they told us that Sarah Palin is not smart enough for the job!

    yeah…amazing.

    Isn’t it.


  33. 33 | January 20, 2013 11:26 am

    @ cold warrior:

    I think one has to consider some type of medical issue; were my wife making fundamental errors on a regular basis like that, I’d be concerned. It goes way past Quayle spelling potato, or W’s habit of inventing words. God forbid he should assume the Presidency due to the death or incapacitation of Obama, I think a lot of people would be questioning his mental capacity to serve. He’s a “Constitutional crisis” waiting to happen.


  34. eaglesoars
    34 | January 20, 2013 11:26 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    And believe me, the wafflers in the House and Senate notice this.

    The courage of no convictions


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | January 20, 2013 11:27 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    no, that weird obsession that she and her husband have about gays…the clinic to make gays straight pretty mech sealed it for me. that is just creepy. her husband looks pretty light in the loafers himself.

    now, granted this is unfair, there is something about her that bugs me greatly. and whenever i get that feeling, i turn out to be right. cant put a finger on it and yeah it aint fair, but something is going on on a psych level. again it aint fair and i dont care. i am never wrong when i get this vibe.

    then there is the migraines and meds she is on, that is another stop sign for potus. and now she is under investigation for misuse of campaign funds.

    something just dont sit right with me when i see her.


  36. 36 | January 20, 2013 11:28 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Morning Mac. Yes, McCain is a true American hero.
    In his later life though he is at best naieve.

    Top o’ da mornin’, RIX!


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | January 20, 2013 11:28 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    God forbid he should assume the Presidency due to the death or incapacitation of Obama

    can he do any worse?


  38. RIX
    38 | January 20, 2013 11:29 am

    Cokie Roberts just said that one reason for more gun control is suicide.
    She pointed out that suicides are up among troops “IN” Afghanistan!
    So, I guess we need to disarm them & they can debate the Taliban.


  39. RIX
    39 | January 20, 2013 11:31 am

    @ MacDuff:
    Potato? Where’s the E? You forgot the E!
    Oh wait………………. Never mind.


  40. 40 | January 20, 2013 11:32 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Bachman always struck me as a classic demagogue, and a rather shallow one at that. But that’s just me.


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | January 20, 2013 11:32 am

    RIX wrote:

    Cokie Roberts just said that one reason for more gun control is suicide.
    She pointed out that suicides are up among troops “IN” Afghanistan!
    So, I guess we need to disarm them & they can debate the Taliban.

    jeeze, ‘fighting’ (ROE’s) and dieing (at the hands of the people you just trained) in a pointless war where not even your officers have your back might be a reason too!


  42. 42 | January 20, 2013 11:34 am

    As to “Gates of Vienna”, I have no clue as to what specific terms of service they supposedly violated, nor have I heard anybody say they do. I just put that up because it is kinda related to the thread subject. Frankly, I only rarely read there, and that years ago. I don’t read many single-focus blogs – too many things coming in over the transom, to be honest, and, at least for now and IMHO, Islam isn’t the most important.

    Your results may vary…


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | January 20, 2013 11:35 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Bachman always struck me as a classic demagogue, and a rather shallow one at that. But that’s just me.

    that too.

    i know my assessment is very unfair. it is…yet i have learned to trust it.


  44. 44 | January 20, 2013 11:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    can he do any worse?

    Truthfully, probably not. Both roads lead to the same destination…..


  45. eaglesoars
    45 | January 20, 2013 11:42 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    As to “Gates of Vienna”, I have no clue as to what specific terms of service they supposedly violated,

    Blogger did the same thing to EU Referendum some months back. Bottom line – they didn’t like their politics.

    What’s unusual – in both cases – is that said politics have been evident – so something abut blogger mgmt changed.


  46. Da_Beerfreak
    46 | January 20, 2013 11:46 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    So tell me again why Michelle Bachman is a nut case?

    Because (right or wrong) Bachmann’s not afraid to fight hard and that scares the living hell out of the RINOs. :twisted:

    (Also, too many Folks believe the crap the Obamamedia is saying about her. :evil: )


  47. coldwarrior
    47 | January 20, 2013 11:46 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    What’s unusual — in both cases — is that said politics have been evident — so something abut blogger mgmt changed.

    pressure from entities above…?


  48. unclassifiable
    48 | January 20, 2013 11:48 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ MacDuff:

    This is a classic case of conflating the person with the idea.

    I think on this topic (supporting or opposing the Muslim Brotherhood) she is dead right. But if you took an honest look at the history (one of the MB founders is the head of Al Queda) you could draw that conclusion.

    Dems/Libs/Totalitarians love the ad hominem conflation because it allows them to discredit the idea without actually addressing it.


  49. RIX
    49 | January 20, 2013 11:48 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Time to bring the troops home, they did their job.


  50. coldwarrior
    50 | January 20, 2013 11:50 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Time to bring the troops home, they did their job.

    i’d be all for that.

    and turn the joint into a parking lot on the way out.


  51. eaglesoars
    51 | January 20, 2013 11:50 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    pressure from entities above…?

    That’s the impression I have but I have no knowledge. I know EU Referendum said blogger gave them no notice – they dropped blogger and publicly told them to piss up a rope.

    gotta go


  52. heysoos
    52 | January 20, 2013 11:51 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Time to bring the troops home, they did their job.

    5 years too late…GB should never have let Astan go onto BO’s plate….it’s been all for nothing, lives just tossed away for political posturing


  53. unclassifiable
    53 | January 20, 2013 11:51 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Time to bring the troops home, they did their job.

    i’d be all for that.

    and turn the joint into a parking lot on the way out.

    Anything not to lose one more American soldiers life right?


  54. unclassifiable
    54 | January 20, 2013 11:53 am

    @ unclassifiable:

    WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!

    I mean as we draw down to UNSUSTAINABLE force level they will be shooting so…


  55. RIX
    55 | January 20, 2013 11:53 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Time to bring the troops home, they did their job.

    i’d be all for that.

    and turn the joint into a parking lot on the way out.

    I’m all for that. The place is toxic.


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | January 20, 2013 11:54 am

    @ unclassifiable:

    if i ran the show we would have been there for about a year and killed everything we could find, destroy everything else, then leave with a warning.

    never mess with us again, any of you. because this will be the result.

    and then i would be up on war crimes charges.


  57. The Osprey
    57 | January 20, 2013 11:55 am

    Gates of Vienna is one of those “little” blogs that cover stuff the big guys miss. Blogger took them off line about a week ago but it was not claimed as a terms of service thing. The Baron and Dymphna mentioned after they came back on though that they were looking at other options in terms of blogging platforms.
    I’m wondering if jihadi “hacktivists” have found a way to game the Blogger system and knock blogs off line or if it is Google’s left wing bias showing it’s face again. Either way I hope they are back soon.


  58. coldwarrior
    58 | January 20, 2013 11:55 am

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:
    WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!
    I mean as we draw down to UNSUSTAINABLE force level they will be shooting so…

    did someone actually use the word ‘sustainable’ on this topic?

    oh my.


  59. RIX
    59 | January 20, 2013 11:57 am

    heysoos wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Time to bring the troops home, they did their job.

    5 years too late…GB should never have let Astan go onto BO’s plate….it’s been all for nothing, lives just tossed away for political posturing

    We needed to whack Al Queda. But this nation building there is nonsense.
    They will not be a Democratic Republic.
    They are primitives that want a murderous theocracy.


  60. coldwarrior
    60 | January 20, 2013 11:57 am

    @ The Osprey:

    ah, i see.


  61. unclassifiable
    61 | January 20, 2013 11:58 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ unclassifiable:

    if i ran the show we would have been there for about a year and killed everything we could find, destroy everything else, then leave with a warning.

    never mess with us again, any of you. because this will be the result.

    and then i would be up on war crimes charges.

    If I was your SOS I would calmly explain that you would be happy to meet them at the White House to hear their charges and then get with the DOD to make sure that they got a good hard look at all of the really bad stuff we could have dropped on them or anyone else on the way to and from the airport.

    I am sure you could handle the appropriate dialogue with them.


  62. heysoos
    62 | January 20, 2013 11:59 am

    RIX wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Time to bring the troops home, they did their job.
    5 years too late…GB should never have let Astan go onto BO’s plate….it’s been all for nothing, lives just tossed away for political posturing

    We needed to whack Al Queda. But this nation building there is nonsense.
    They will not be a Democratic Republic.
    They are primitives that want a murderous theocracy.

    my position is exactly what CW just posted…I’d do the same with Iran to a certain extent…for example I’d just sneak up and zap their entire navy and fly away


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | January 20, 2013 11:59 am

    @ unclassifiable:

    we have forgotten to wage war with the same fervor and lust as our enemies would fight us.


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | January 20, 2013 12:01 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    my position is exactly what CW just posted…I’d do the same with Iran to a certain extent…for example I’d just sneak up and zap their entire navy and fly away

    one COULD have destroyed afghanistan and iraq then wheeled into iran and drove to the sea…sherman style


  65. Da_Beerfreak
    65 | January 20, 2013 12:02 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ MacDuff:

    This is a classic case of conflating the person with the idea.

    I think on this topic (supporting or opposing the Muslim Brotherhood) she is dead right. But if you took an honest look at the history (one of the MB founders is the head of Al Queda) you could draw that conclusion.

    Dems/Libs/Totalitarians love the ad hominem conflation because it allows them to discredit the idea without actually addressing it.

    The liberal media in Minnesota (and now the Obamamedia) has been on a crusade to destroy Bachmann since her first days in the Minnesota Senate.


  66. unclassifiable
    66 | January 20, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    As I have said before I did a little self-study on the Sherman doctrine as practiced in the Civil War and it seems very effective in preventing more war.


  67. RIX
    67 | January 20, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    They took our restraint as weakness.
    We should have used massive force & firepower sending a message.


  68. darkwords
    68 | January 20, 2013 12:03 pm

    Bachman, is ok to me. IMO she has some Akin like ideas. But she is more capable than a Reid, or a Pelosi, or a Schumer. Less capable than a Rand Paul or a Rubio.


  69. RIX
    69 | January 20, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ heysoos:
    This President is not going to destroy the enamy.


  70. The Osprey
    70 | January 20, 2013 12:05 pm

    Bachmann is god on standing up to the MoBros, and on some fiscal issues. But she had a tendency to veer off into the weeds.


  71. heysoos
    71 | January 20, 2013 12:05 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    This President is not going to destroy the enamy.

    after the shit hits the fan, history will not be kind to BO…it’s very likely that Islam will destroy him, his legacy


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | January 20, 2013 12:05 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The liberal media in Minnesota (and now the Obamamedia) has been on a crusade to destroy Bachmann since her first days in the Minnesota Senate.

    like i said, i just cant shake the creeps i get when i see her. and this has nothing to do with the liberal media. sorry if i am unfair.


  73. heysoos
    73 | January 20, 2013 12:06 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Bachmann is god on standing up to the MoBros, and on some fiscal issues. But she had a tendency to veer off into the weeds.

    lol…good one, she does


  74. 74 | January 20, 2013 12:06 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ MacDuff:

    This is a classic case of conflating the person with the idea.

    I think on this topic (supporting or opposing the Muslim Brotherhood) she is dead right. But if you took an honest look at the history (one of the MB founders is the head of Al Queda) you could draw that conclusion.

    Dems/Libs/Totalitarians love the ad hominem conflation because it allows them to discredit the idea without actually addressing it.

    just

    It’s not a single position or even series of positions that turn me away from Bachmann, it’s her en toto. She’s got that “scold” vibe that drives me up the wall but, like I said, that’s maybe just me. That said, she’s politically dead on the national scene, so it’s all pretty moot. If MN likes her, that’s between her and them and it’s not any of my business.


  75. heysoos
    75 | January 20, 2013 12:08 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    The liberal media in Minnesota (and now the Obamamedia) has been on a crusade to destroy Bachmann since her first days in the Minnesota Senate.
    like i said, i just cant shake the creeps i get when i see her. and this has nothing to do with the liberal media. sorry if i am unfair.

    I had that same vibe with Palin and Santorum as well…I don’t think they are bad people, just not I think a president should be….all these social issues are just a burden for the GOP, nationally


  76. EBL
    76 | January 20, 2013 12:08 pm

    Romney lost for a bunch of reasons, but I doubt nation building was it. That said, I agree given the financial situation we are in we should avoid any nation building projects for the foreseeable future. And Rand Paul and Michelle Bachmann are right in that regard.


  77. Da_Beerfreak
    77 | January 20, 2013 12:08 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:

    Bachmann is god on standing up to the MoBros, and on some fiscal issues. But she had a tendency to veer off into the weeds.

    lol…good one, she does

    It’s more a case of being pushed into the weeds…


  78. unclassifiable
    78 | January 20, 2013 12:09 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    You know what.

    She is a U.S. Congresswoman.

    I think she can adequately defend herself.

    We don’t need to do that for her. We need to focus on the idea.

    We need to keep saying, don’t change the subject.

    There is historical evidence that Sir Isaac Newton was probably afflicted with autism, or at the least, was a pretty difficult person to deal with on a personal level.

    If you think for one second we should give up on Mechanics because of that (and I don’t think you do — this is to prove a point) then clearly you have removed yourself from any serious consideration of the issue. You have emphasized personal animus over cogent analysis.


  79. coldwarrior
    79 | January 20, 2013 12:09 pm

    what the…ok, i scheduled this to run at noon, now its at 11 in the headlines…

    ok, so there is the post, in headlines. new main post will be up at 1500, an open and nfl thread.


  80. darkwords
    80 | January 20, 2013 12:10 pm

    @ 57 The Osprey: See these articles about the althouse blog She had a google underling label her blog as a spam blog. He was a lefty being run by his ego. It took a lot of effort for her to get her blog back online, she was going to move off blogger. They eventually realized her blog was one of the bigger ones they host and more level headed support people stepped in and rectified the situation.


  81. mawskrat
    81 | January 20, 2013 12:11 pm

    the rebuilding starts AFTER you have destroyed the enemy


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | January 20, 2013 12:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    i can assure you that santorum is an arrogant lout who treated his constituents like trash and moved to dc immediately upon his election to the senate because he is so much superior to us.

    he is an insufferable, obnoxious, arrogant asshole and i know this from personal experience and from multiple other first hand sources.

    he lost as the incumbent here in pa by 16 points for a reason, and it wanst because he was a nice guy.


  83. Da_Beerfreak
    83 | January 20, 2013 12:14 pm

    @ unclassifiable:
    What’s your point???


  84. heysoos
    84 | January 20, 2013 12:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    i can assure you that santorum is an arrogant lout who treated his constituents like trash and moved to dc immediately upon his election to the senate because he is so much superior to us.
    he is an insufferable, obnoxious, arrogant asshole and i know this from personal experience and from multiple other first hand sources.
    he lost as the incumbent here in pa by 16 points for a reason, and it wanst because he was a nice guy.

    well there you have it…I’ll take your word for it…not a good model


  85. unclassifiable
    85 | January 20, 2013 12:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    He has nice hair.


  86. coldwarrior
    86 | January 20, 2013 12:15 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    the rebuilding starts AFTER you have destroyed the enemy

    indeed. destroy first, then maybe consider a rebuild, or not.


  87. 87 | January 20, 2013 12:15 pm

    An NFL thread? It isn’t over yet? Make it stop!

    Could be worse, I suppose. Could be soccer. Which never ends, and which has more “championships” than Carter’s have (had) little pills.


  88. The Osprey
    88 | January 20, 2013 12:16 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    pimf “good”.


  89. darkwords
    89 | January 20, 2013 12:17 pm

    I wonder if there are any chik-fil-a type of businesses out there that support partial birth abortions.


  90. 90 | January 20, 2013 12:17 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Read the archives from February of 2011. Hot Air had articles calling for military intervention in Libya and they supported the Arab Spring. I will have a post on this Tuesday.


  91. darkwords
    91 | January 20, 2013 12:18 pm

    @ 87 Mike C.: It’s Ray Lewis day today. A Patriotic blog would probably put up Holiday post for him.


  92. coldwarrior
    92 | January 20, 2013 12:19 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Could be worse, I suppose. Could be soccer. Which never ends, and which has more “championships” than Carter’s have (had) little pills.

    i wont allow soccer threads here.

    ever.

    :lol:


  93. mawskrat
    93 | January 20, 2013 12:20 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    watching Tottenham vs Manchester United now

    odd watching it snow on the pitch in England


  94. 94 | January 20, 2013 12:20 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Sherman should have been the model. He knew how to wage war against an implacable enemy.


  95. darkwords
    95 | January 20, 2013 12:20 pm

    @ 90 Rodan:Obamas foreign policy is to arab spring the world by lighting a match. Then wiping his hands clean and watching what burns.

    That is his MO.


  96. RIX
    96 | January 20, 2013 12:20 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    This President is not going to destroy the enamy.

    after the shit hits the fan, history will not be kind to BO…it’s very likely that Islam will destroy him, his legacy

    Depending on who writes the history. Historians are generally lefties.


  97. darkwords
    97 | January 20, 2013 12:21 pm

    @ 93 mawskrat: Twitter peeps were making fun of Tottenham last night.


  98. heysoos
    98 | January 20, 2013 12:21 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Could be worse, I suppose. Could be soccer. Which never ends, and which has more “championships” than Carter’s have (had) little pills.

    i wont allow soccer threads here.
    ever.

    ha!…we’re safe!


  99. mawskrat
    99 | January 20, 2013 12:22 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    It’s FOOTBALL and you know it!!!!>LOL/


  100. coldwarrior
    100 | January 20, 2013 12:23 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Mike C. wrote:
    Could be worse, I suppose. Could be soccer. Which never ends, and which has more “championships” than Carter’s have (had) little pills.
    i wont allow soccer threads here.
    ever.

    ha!…we’re safe!

    its a rugby thing.

    :lol:


  101. darkwords
    101 | January 20, 2013 12:24 pm

    @ 99 mawskrat: Feutball, you mean. Said when an aristocratic emphasis on feut.


  102. unclassifiable
    102 | January 20, 2013 12:24 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    My point is that if you are in her district then you can look at her slate of beliefs against all the other candidates and decide to keep electing her.

    The press really can SAY whatever they want but they can’t DO squat.

    And if they libel her then she can own the damn rag.

    But to get caught up in her battle with what we can assume is an organ of the Democratic Party in order to assert a belief about the outcome of the Arab Spring is a non-starter.

    It neither diminishes nor enhances the fact that known jihadis (Islamic Fascists) are taking over Arab governments and these folks have a stated goal of destroying the United States.

    If that does not answer your question then I am afraid I am at a loss.


  103. mawskrat
    103 | January 20, 2013 12:28 pm

    @ darkwords:

    the Beautiful game


  104. 104 | January 20, 2013 12:29 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 87 Mike C.: It’s Ray Lewis day today. A Patriotic blog would probably put up Holiday post for him.

    I suppose it would help if I knew who Ray Lewis is/was.


  105. mawskrat
    105 | January 20, 2013 12:30 pm

    Ray Lewis is evil…just ask CW


  106. coldwarrior
    106 | January 20, 2013 12:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Sherman should have been the model. He knew how to wage war against an implacable enemy.

    him and jenjis khan

    :lol:


  107. coldwarrior
    107 | January 20, 2013 12:32 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    Ray Lewis is evil…just ask CW

    nope his is not.

    the thread at 1500 for the playoff games might just surprise you.


  108. 108 | January 20, 2013 12:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Bachmann comes across very angry on some issues. But on the subject of the Muslim Brotherhood, she is the only one speaking the truth. I fully support her on this subject and wish more Republicans had balls like Bachmann. Rand Paul is a close 2nd on this subject as well, since he’s the only one who wants to cut off aid to Islamic nations..


  109. 109 | January 20, 2013 12:37 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Bachmann is god on standing up to the MoBros, and on some fiscal issues. But she had a tendency to veer off into the weeds.

    Yes, that is how I see it. But she is one of the few ringing alarm bells about the MoBros.


  110. coldwarrior
    110 | January 20, 2013 12:38 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    the Beautiful game

    if ya like watching grass grow

    :lol:


  111. coldwarrior
    111 | January 20, 2013 12:40 pm

    “I would like to improve the world a bit. I will fly around the world doing good for the environment,” added DiCaprio, in comments published in German.

    ummm….hey lenny….carbon footprint much?

    i know the irony of his statement is lost on many enviroloons


  112. 112 | January 20, 2013 12:43 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Oh, I’m sure he flies coach.

    /


  113. coldwarrior
    113 | January 20, 2013 12:43 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Oh, I’m sure he flies coach.
    /

    He burnished his green credentials in the Bild interview, saying: “My roof is covered with solar panels. My car is electric. A normal person does not drive more than 50km a day. That can be done with a plug.”

    of course he does!


  114. RIX
    114 | January 20, 2013 12:44 pm

    I would guess that Piers Morgan will soon interview Manti Te’os
    girfriend.
    She is a make believe girl & he is a make believe intellectal.


  115. unclassifiable
  116. unclassifiable
    116 | January 20, 2013 12:49 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    He’s got good hair also.

    Hmmmmmm?


  117. coldwarrior
    117 | January 20, 2013 12:52 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    One of my all time favorite rants on that topic.

    now THAT is funny!


  118. unclassifiable
    118 | January 20, 2013 1:04 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Look I’m not trying to smack you or Andrew McCarthy. I am going to take a wild guess that we probably agree on a range of topics, and probably have strong disagreement on a few.

    A lot of the times I read transcripts of what people say rather than listen to the speech because when it comes to arguments, only the facts and not their delivery count (especially with Obama who can be an infuriating dramatist).

    And I really do not care about people’s hair.


  119. 119 | January 20, 2013 1:05 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Oh, I’m sure he flies coach.
    /
    He burnished his green credentials in the Bild interview, saying: “My roof is covered with solar panels. My car is electric. A normal person does not drive more than 50km a day. That can be done with a plug.”
    of course he does!

    Actually, Anthony Watts (of Watts Up With That?) has a roof covered with solar panels, an electric car, and all LED lighting in his house. Of course, Anthony also has a brain and doesn’t have his head permanently installed up his ass, either.


  120. unclassifiable
    120 | January 20, 2013 1:05 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Oh and later (as in aloha) folks. Go Niners now with the Texans out.


  121. coldwarrior
    121 | January 20, 2013 1:07 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Mike C. wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Oh, I’m sure he flies coach.
    /
    He burnished his green credentials in the Bild interview, saying: “My roof is covered with solar panels. My car is electric. A normal person does not drive more than 50km a day. That can be done with a plug.”
    of course he does!
    Actually, Anthony Watts (of Watts Up With That?) has a roof covered with solar panels, an electric car, and all LED lighting in his house. Of course, Anthony also has a brain and doesn’t have his head permanently installed up his ass, either.

    isnt the ranch that the bush’s own also very energy efficient?


  122. darkwords
    122 | January 20, 2013 1:09 pm

    @ 115 unclassifiable: Pretty funny. Does a famous person traveling to a spot where no one knows they are famous solve any big issue? Maybe better just to ship a cultural iPhone.


  123. darkwords
    123 | January 20, 2013 1:11 pm

    @ 121 coldwarrior: There is a comparison somewhere of the energy inefficiencies of the Bush and Al Gore homes. Gore sucks up energy and burns trees and coal like there is no tomorrow. Bush was much more conservative.


  124. coldwarrior
    124 | January 20, 2013 1:14 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 121 coldwarrior: There is a comparison somewhere of the energy inefficiencies of the Bush and Al Gore homes. Gore sucks up energy and burns trees and coal like there is no tomorrow. Bush was much more conservative.

    being out in the middle of nowhere also makes you more independent.

    the algore property is in the burbs, flash and bling.


  125. darkwords
    125 | January 20, 2013 1:15 pm

    Mobutu Sese Seko ‏@Mobute
    Dear NBC, could you have Bob Costas come out and tell me how I feel about hockey? I’m wearing a bib and I think my dad is the president.


  126. 126 | January 20, 2013 1:16 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    He’s got good hair also.
    Hmmmmmm?

    I’ve got hair, too. Pretty much all of it. Okay, it seems to have changed color, but I’m sure that could be fixed if I gave a shit. Which I don’t.


  127. darkwords
    127 | January 20, 2013 1:20 pm

    Boy watching the Broncos playoff loss. Did they ever screw up bad. They John McCain’d the playoffs


  128. The Osprey
    128 | January 20, 2013 1:21 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 121 coldwarrior: There is a comparison somewhere of the energy inefficiencies of the Bush and Al Gore homes. Gore sucks up energy and burns trees and coal like there is no tomorrow. Bush was much more conservative.

    Bush’s home is actually very “green” and energy efficient, designed specifically for the temperature extremes in that part of Texas.


  129. 129 | January 20, 2013 1:21 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    W’s house is about 5000 square feet (a shack compared to most people of his wealth and power), heavily insulated, with a geothermal heating system, passive solar and a grey water recycling system. He doesn’t talk the talk, he just walks the walk. I know he’s the devil incarnate to some on here, but I’d be willing to have a beer with him any old day.


  130. coldwarrior
    130 | January 20, 2013 1:21 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Boy watching the Broncos playoff loss. Did they ever screw up bad. They John McCain’d the playoffs

    they thought the ravens were the muslim brotherhood and helped them?


  131. Da_Beerfreak
    131 | January 20, 2013 1:22 pm

    @ unclassifiable:
    OK. I get your point.


  132. The Osprey
    132 | January 20, 2013 1:22 pm

    CW, Rodan,
    Just sent you guys the pics and report on the AZ Capitol 2nd Amendment rally yesterday.


  133. darkwords
    133 | January 20, 2013 1:23 pm

    End of game field goal attempt seems like the most pressure a football player could have. one shot and you have to get it right.


  134. Da_Beerfreak
    134 | January 20, 2013 1:24 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Sherman should have been the model. He knew how to wage war against an implacable enemy.

    him and jenjis khan

    Throw in a little Curtis LeMay and you have my vote… :grin:


  135. darkwords
    135 | January 20, 2013 1:24 pm

    @ 130 coldwarrior: Exactly. Let MO score so you don’t hurt his feelings, then give MO the ball again because he is MO.


  136. coldwarrior
    136 | January 20, 2013 1:25 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    W’s house is about 5000 square feet (a shack compared to most people of his wealth and power), heavily insulated, with a geothermal heating system, passive solar and a grey water recycling system. He doesn’t talk the talk, he just walks the walk. I know he’s the devil incarnate to some on here, but I’d be willing to have a beer with him any old day.

    i like that geothermal stuff.


  137. coldwarrior
    137 | January 20, 2013 1:26 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    CW, Rodan,
    Just sent you guys the pics and report on the AZ Capitol 2nd Amendment rally yesterday.

    ok, thx!


  138. coldwarrior
    138 | January 20, 2013 1:26 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 130 coldwarrior: Exactly. Let MO score so you don’t hurt his feelings, then give MO the ball again because he is MO.

    jeeze! did they help found the caliphate in the name of ray lewis?


  139. Mars
    139 | January 20, 2013 1:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    what the…ok, i scheduled this to run at noon, now its at 11 in the headlines…
    ok, so there is the post, in headlines. new main post will be up at 1500, an open and nfl thread.

    WhyFor is my article causing so many pains to the blog?


  140. darkwords
    140 | January 20, 2013 1:29 pm

    @ 129 Mike C.: GWB is my favorite president after Reagan. I think his big picture got a little soggy though in his last two years. He tried to work across the isle too much with people that just wanted to alinsky him. He became a little aloof. Failed to support scooter libby. Gave Colin Powell and Condi Rice better ears than he gave John Bolton. failed to pardon the two texas border guards.

    I’d like to see a US President pull a Charleton Heston and promote gun rights.


  141. Mars
    141 | January 20, 2013 1:31 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 57 The Osprey: See these articles about the althouse blog She had a google underling label her blog as a spam blog. He was a lefty being run by his ego. It took a lot of effort for her to get her blog back online, she was going to move off blogger. They eventually realized her blog was one of the bigger ones they host and more level headed support people stepped in and rectified the situation.

    Anyone running the WOT browsing protection on their browser is familiar with this tactic. Nearly every conservative site out there is listed as a virus and attack site.

    The libs will not fight on even intellectual grounds, they flat out don’t want people to hear any other side.


  142. coldwarrior
    142 | January 20, 2013 1:34 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    End of game field goal attempt seems like the most pressure a football player could have. one shot and you have to get it right.

    that’s why kickers are so goofy, like hockey goalies.


  143. coldwarrior
    143 | January 20, 2013 1:34 pm

    Mars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    what the…ok, i scheduled this to run at noon, now its at 11 in the headlines…
    ok, so there is the post, in headlines. new main post will be up at 1500, an open and nfl thread.

    WhyFor is my article causing so many pains to the blog?

    i have no idea. that thing is possessed or something!

    :lol:


  144. coldwarrior
    144 | January 20, 2013 1:36 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 129 Mike C.: GWB is my favorite president after Reagan. I think his big picture got a little soggy though in his last two years. He tried to work across the isle too much with people that just wanted to alinsky him. He became a little aloof. Failed to support scooter libby. Gave Colin Powell and Condi Rice better ears than he gave John Bolton. failed to pardon the two texas border guards.
    I’d like to see a US President pull a Charleton Heston and promote gun rights.

    his biggest failure was simply giving up and not fighting. it was sad to watch


  145. 145 | January 20, 2013 1:36 pm

    Idaho Potato Porn, 1935


  146. Da_Beerfreak
    146 | January 20, 2013 1:39 pm

    Mars wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 57 The Osprey: See these articles about the althouse blog She had a google underling label her blog as a spam blog. He was a lefty being run by his ego. It took a lot of effort for her to get her blog back online, she was going to move off blogger. They eventually realized her blog was one of the bigger ones they host and more level headed support people stepped in and rectified the situation.

    Anyone running the WOT browsing protection on their browser is familiar with this tactic. Nearly every conservative site out there is listed as a virus and attack site.

    The libs will not fight on even intellectual grounds, they flat out don’t want people to hear any other side.

    Liberals will fight any way they can to win, to most of them, rules are for idiots and fools.


  147. coldwarrior
    147 | January 20, 2013 1:40 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Idaho Potato Porn, 1935

    interesting site, i might waste a good few hours there over the next week or so


  148. Mars
    148 | January 20, 2013 1:42 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Oh, I’m sure he flies coach.
    /

    He burnished his green credentials in the Bild interview, saying: “My roof is covered with solar panels. My car is electric. A normal person does not drive more than 50km a day. That can be done with a plug.”
    of course he does!

    In the states I’ve lived in 50KM (Who in this country uses fucking km?) is a drive to town


  149. Mars
    149 | January 20, 2013 1:43 pm

    Mars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Mike C. wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Oh, I’m sure he flies coach.
    /
    He burnished his green credentials in the Bild interview, saying: “My roof is covered with solar panels. My car is electric. A normal person does not drive more than 50km a day. That can be done with a plug.”
    of course he does!

    In the states I’ve lived in 50KM (Who in this country uses fucking km?) is a drive to town

    These are the same arrogant twits who want to ban trucks and suvs because no one actually needs them. Yeah, I’ll be sure to tell the local ranchers they have to haul feed in a volt.


  150. 150 | January 20, 2013 1:43 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    interesting site, i might waste a good few hours there over the next week or so

    Yeah, it’s been one of my favorites since I came across it. I may be mistaken, but I think Bunk has used it as a resource.


  151. The Osprey
    151 | January 20, 2013 1:51 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 130 coldwarrior: Exactly. Let MO score so you don’t hurt his feelings, then give MO the ball again because he is MO.

    jeeze! did they help found the caliphate in the name of ray lewis?

    Well, Ray Lewis is fond of edged weapons, like Mo.


  152. Da_Beerfreak
    152 | January 20, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Bookmarked for later. Tanks…


  153. The Osprey
    153 | January 20, 2013 2:23 pm

    Tienanmen Square activist becomes American 2nd Amendment activist.

    httpv://youtu.be/miEmIfhfxuc

    This powerful. Pass it on.

    H/T Sipsey Street Irregulars.


  154. brookly red
    154 | January 20, 2013 2:37 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Tienanmen Square activist becomes American 2nd Amendment activist.

    This powerful. Pass it on.

    H/T Sipsey Street Irregulars.

    very powerful, thank you.


  155. 155 | January 20, 2013 2:38 pm

    A president waving a flintlock in the airlike Charlton Heston? Cripes, I’d settle for just being able to buy some damned ammo again. What seemed an adequate supply 6 weeks ago now seems small and pitiful. I wanted to host a big family day at the range this spring/summer, but that’s right the hell out now.


  156. The Osprey
    156 | January 20, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I guess hearing about Gauleiter Janet’s Scopin Und Groppen Grüppen ordering a bajillion rounds of .40 cal JHPs
    motivated some people to really stock up. :mad:


  157. brookly red
    157 | January 20, 2013 2:44 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    A president waving a flintlock in the airlike Charlton Heston? Cripes, I’d settle for just being able to buy some damned ammo again. What seemed an adequate supply 6 weeks ago now seems small and pitiful. I wanted to host a big family day at the range this spring/summer, but that’s right the hell out now.

    I hear there is money to be made reloading…


  158. AZfederalist
    158 | January 20, 2013 2:49 pm

    Mars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    In the states I’ve lived in 50KM (Who in this country uses fucking km?) is a drive to town

    I-19 south of Tucson uses metric markings on all the road signs, I guess to make all the Mexicans coming up north feel welcome, after all, the Mexicans would not want to come to the US if we didn’t do things like that. Drives me nuts, you’ve got to mentally convert to real people units to figure out how far you are from your destination. Funny thing, speed limit signs are still in imperial units though.


  159. Mars
    159 | January 20, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ AZfederalist:
    I guess I’m just old fashioned. When I was in Elementary is one of the times they tried converting us over to metric. I just prefer Imperial.

    (Now for mathematics I prefer metric but it’s pretty obvious why, lol.)

    I got used to metric during my years in Germany, but was still happy to get back to what was familiar.


  160. eaglesoars
    160 | January 20, 2013 3:02 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    W’s house is about 5000 square feet (a shack compared to most people of his wealth and power), heavily insulated, with a geothermal heating system, passive solar and a grey water recycling system. He doesn’t talk the talk, he just walks the walk. I know he’s the devil incarnate to some on here, but I’d be willing to have a beer with him any old day.

    Yes it is and guess who did that – insisted on it actually.

    Laura Bush.

    And if you read her book, you will find out she spent TWENTY YEARS restoring some of their land to an ecologically balanced meadow. The woman makes Lady Bird Johnson look like a piker.


  161. brookly red
    161 | January 20, 2013 3:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I guess I’m just old fashioned. When I was in Elementary is one of the times they tried converting us over to metric. I just prefer Imperial.

    have you noticed that all our lives they have been trying to convert us back to Europeans? funny that.


  162. Mars
    162 | January 20, 2013 3:09 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    W’s house is about 5000 square feet (a shack compared to most people of his wealth and power), heavily insulated, with a geothermal heating system, passive solar and a grey water recycling system. He doesn’t talk the talk, he just walks the walk. I know he’s the devil incarnate to some on here, but I’d be willing to have a beer with him any old day.

    Yes it is and guess who did that — insisted on it actually.
    Laura Bush.
    And if you read her book, you will find out she spent TWENTY YEARS restoring some of their land to an ecologically balanced meadow. The woman makes Lady Bird Johnson look like a piker.

    While not the greatest President, there is a huge difference between the way that GWB and Laura handled and presented themselves compared to the scum in the WH now.

    Compare the Oval Office appearance.
    http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/01/10/the-obama-oval-office-why-does-it-look-so-crappy/

    Plus when GWB took vacation the pics were always of him working, clearing brush, meeting delegates, attending events, etc. I have yet to see a picture of the Golfer in Chief working on any of his hundreds of vacations.

    There is a distinct lack of class with this president and his evil wife.


  163. coldwarrior
    163 | January 20, 2013 3:10 pm

    the new open thread is up


  164. 164 | January 20, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    We would be blessed to ever again have a lady like Laura Bush back as First Lady. A librarian, too. My wife relates to that.


  165. Mars
    165 | January 20, 2013 3:11 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I guess I’m just old fashioned. When I was in Elementary is one of the times they tried converting us over to metric. I just prefer Imperial.
    have you noticed that all our lives they have been trying to convert us back to Europeans? funny that.

    Yep, not a coincidence. Our elites (both left and right) in this country use a lot of Euro phrasing and examples when trying to change things. They like to couch things in Euro terms whenever they want to prove how intelligent they are.

    They have a sick fascination with a dying culture.


  166. 166 | January 20, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ Mars:

    That’s a fair description. Bush was a terrible President but had class. Obama is a terrible President but has no class.


  167. AZfederalist
    167 | January 20, 2013 3:17 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yep. While W did have issues and failed to fight back when he should have, one thing that can be said for both himself and Laura: they were a class act. Even when he left office, he did not do a Clinton or Carter and muddle in the next president’s policies (even though in this case it would have been a good thing). Instead, they have spent time greeting returning troops.


  168. Mars
    168 | January 20, 2013 3:19 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    The mark of class is the ability to fade out gracefully. He does just as much as is required an ex-president with the added extra support of the troops that they give.

    Why do I think the Won will not fade gracefully but will instead seek power of a different sort.


  169. RIX
    169 | January 20, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Obama before he became President spent most of his time
    working half days & voting present.
    I can’t think of any legislation that he sponsored.
    His most famous vote, infamous really was to deny care to
    infants born from botched abortions.


  170. eaglesoars
    170 | January 20, 2013 3:41 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Compare the Oval Office appearance.

    I saw those photos when the decorating was finished. I said then it look like a cat vomited.


  171. Mars
    171 | January 20, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Part of me wonders if they went with beige in order to try not to offend anyone. (It seems stupid, but it’s how the libs think.)


  172. eaglesoars
    172 | January 20, 2013 3:45 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Part of me wonders if they went with beige in order to try not to offend anyone.

    ARE YOU NUCKING FUTS?

    The Obamas LIVE to offend people! They get off on it.

    No, that’s actually their taste. Ikea knock-off.


  173. eaglesoars
    173 | January 20, 2013 3:48 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Part of me wonders if they went with beige in order to try not to offend anyone.

    ARE YOU NUCKING FUTS?

    The Obamas LIVE to offend people! They get off on it.

    No, that’s actually their taste. Ikea knock-off.

    Oh, and don’t forget – the quotes embroidered into the rug – about half of them are incorrect.


  174. Mars
    174 | January 20, 2013 3:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Part of me wonders if they went with beige in order to try not to offend anyone.
    ARE YOU NUCKING FUTS?
    The Obamas LIVE to offend people! They get off on it.
    No, that’s actually their taste. Ikea knock-off.

    Oh, and don’t forget — the quotes embroidered into the rug — about half of them are incorrect.

    That is true. No you misunderstand. I’m talking about the political correct shit, not normal people offense.

    They could have been afraid one of their thousands of special interest groups would be offended by their color choice.

    It’s sarcasm relating to their politically correct insanity.

    I guess if I have to explain the joke then….


  175. John Difool
  176. 176 | January 20, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Stranaham is disgusting. Although we parted ways with X Citizen10, I am against this outing Bullcrap.


  177. Da_Beerfreak
    177 | January 20, 2013 4:00 pm

    The Obamas are not ordinary no-class-ghetto-snipe, they suck the class out of everything they touch. Vampires that will never be able to satisfy their never ending thirst for Class… :cool:


  178. John Difool
    178 | January 20, 2013 4:02 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Fan or not,he’s thrown in with Anonymous & is harassing the mans wife & kids.


  179. Mars
    179 | January 20, 2013 4:05 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Fan or not,he’s thrown in with Anonymous & is harassing the mans wife & kids.

    Anyone who sides with anonymous needs lined up against the wall.


  180. John Difool
    180 | January 20, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ Mars:

    There are some dark things about Stranahan granted, but some things should be off limits & yes, that guys now actively thrown in with the Lulzsec crowd.


  181. Mars
    181 | January 20, 2013 4:12 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ Mars:
    There are some dark things about Stranahan granted, but some things should be off limits & yes, that guys now actively thrown in with the Lulzsec crowd.

    I know nothing about this situation at all. I’ve heard of Occupy Unmasked but that’s it.

    I will say that Occupy Unmasked is the reason anonymous is involved at all. They have been running the biggest disinformation campaign in existence on behalf of the Occupy movement since its inception.


  182. 182 | January 20, 2013 4:15 pm

    @ John Difool:

    That’s his problem he’s thrown in with Anonymous. I’m not with this outing stuff, it’s just wrong.

    Stranahan is not a good person.

    I’m not involved in this so I’m not saying more.


  183. 183 | January 20, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The thing I just can’t get past is the Obama coffee table. It’s hideous. I’ve no doubt that most of the furnishings, like the desks, are warehoused and used by presidents as they like. That coffee table, however, should either leave with Obama or set out for the Goodwill truck 01/21/17.

    Obama’s Oval Office is also very feminine.

    It’s interesting that the basic arrangement of the furniture doesn’t really change, just the furniture itself. I guess they found the optimal arrangement long ago.


  184. 184 | January 20, 2013 4:23 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The lot of ‘em are high-tech terrorists, convinced of their own righteousness and intoxicated with power over others. They’re no better than those they crusade against and, in many cases, far worse.


  185. Mars
    185 | January 20, 2013 4:34 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The lot of ‘em are high-tech terrorists, convinced of their own righteousness and intoxicated with power over others. They’re no better than those they crusade against and, in many all cases, far worse.

    They destroy the innocent with no cares but their agenda, they gloat about the destruction, they have no concept of the consequences of their actions, they are shocked and surprised when their internet terrorism comes back at them with real world consequences.

    Line em all up against the wall and be done.


  186. 186 | January 20, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ Mars:

    Line em all up against the wall and be done.

    I hate to be divisive and all, but I just can’t agree with that.

    I insist after we line them up against the wall, that we actually shoot them.


  187. Mars
    187 | January 20, 2013 4:55 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    Damn it I knew I forgot a step.


  188. 188 | January 20, 2013 5:14 pm

    @ Mars:
    @ Mike C.:

    Internet terrorism should be on a par with felony arson and wanton endangerment at the very least. Death penalty? Well, this is a crime that was not even possible in the very recent past, perhaps we should reevaluate the crime with regard to the damage it does. Internet terrorism is far more than just cyber crime in the same way that rape is far more than just assault.


  189. 189 | January 21, 2013 12:39 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    Oh and later (as in aloha) folks. Go Niners now with the Texans out.

    I believe the Texans will reach the Super Bowl before the Loins do!


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