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Legislation Based On Emotional Appeal Never Helps

by Flyovercountry ( 193 Comments › )
Filed under Cult of Obama, Liberal Fascism, Politics, Second Amendment at January 21st, 2013 - 8:30 am

Political Cartoons by Glenn McCoy

In December of 2001, Enron, an energy company that in 1993 had begun branching out into other businesses, including becoming a commodities brokerage, collapsed in what perhaps at the time was the largest corporate scandal in our nation’s history. From early in 1993 until December of 2001, roughly Eight and a half years, Enron was able to perpetrate a fraud on current investors, potential investors, and federal authorities, by moving suspect assets off of the balance sheet of Enron and hiding them on the balance sheets of shell companies, subsidiaries who’s balance sheet problems were allowed to be separated from the balance sheet of the parent company, a practice that coincidentally was illegal at the time, and is still illegal today. What caused the sudden collapse of Enron, besides their creativity in perpetuating a fraud? The election of George W. Bush which brought about a Justice Department that began upholding the law, a practice that differed from the look-the-other-way-halcyon-days of one William Jefferson Clinton.

(Another lesson was Enron’s public firing of Anderson Little, with the claim that the big Eight’s accounting practices were, “not creative enough to meet the dynamic needs of a company as innovative as ours, and not ready to meet the 21st century economy and its changing environment.” Arthur M. Anderson was hired to replace the previous firm, and now there is no Arthur M. Anderson, an accounting firm that apparently possessed those qualities sought by a corrupt management team at Enron. So, for those of you who may one day be fired, it is not always a bad thing. Had Anderson Little changed their practices to suit Enron, there would be no Anderson Little today.)

During the emotional wake of Enron, we passed a law which is referred to as Sarbanes Oxley. This law has prevented nothing. A really expensive to administrate law that makes the already illegal practice of perpetrating a fraud illegal, helps nothing. What it does do, is to force publicly traded companies to hire a second independent accounting firm to verify the work of a first independent accounting firm, the costs of which are passed along to any consumer who may wish to do business with the firm. Increased regulatory authority and compliance costs were the only results of the new law, passed by the way after enforcement of previous laws in existence had already helped to bring down those who acted irresponsibly. It was the avoidance of enforcing the law for the period of January 1993 until January of 2001 which created the problem, not the absence of increased regulatory activity. The results of the latter has been spread out across every product or service you consume, and will continue for the remainder of your life.

Fast forward to the Summer of 2008. A sudden spike in commodities prices highlighted a problem with our credit markets, more specifically the practice of taking speculative at best mortgage backed securities and selling them as investment grade debt instruments that paid the higher yields more commonly associated with junk bonds. The entire house of cards was created as the result to deal with bad government policy that forced the financial services industry to ignore the warnings of the compliance officers and risk committees, and grant mortgages to people who would have zero chance of being able to repay them. After the inevitable torrent of sudden defaults began to freeze our credit markets, the term predatory lending was created to describe the mortgage brokers who were forced into the practice by bad government policy to begin with.

The result of this crisis of course was enacted in 2009. Welcome to the Obamacare Law, and the phrase, “never let a good crisis go to waste,” uttered by Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama’s Chief of Staff. We also got the Dodd Frank Law, which again took the extraordinary step of calling fraud illegal, and doubled current regulatory costs for any financial transactions, and did further damage besides. (Currently, with the Community Reinvestment Act not being altered in any way, it combines in such a way with Dodd Frank so that worthy loans can not be granted until a sufficient number of offsetting unworthy loans are approved by the same lender. The result of this are banks and mortgage companies sitting on worthy borrowers for extended periods of time, thereby constipating the credit markets and greatly slowing home sales. Notice that the unworthy loans are still being forced upon the lending institutions, which will have the effect of creating the exact same crisis at some point in the future.)

The other result of course to Obamacare’s passage has been a rash of outages in medications prescribed, services offered, doctors practicing, new patients accepted, and increase of insurance prices by double digit percentages, massive layoffs, hiring freezes, a loss of innovation in our drug research programs, increased costs for medical equipment used, and all of this because, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste. For those of you who are probably scratching your heads trying to figure out what on Earth health care could possibly have in common with the woes experienced during the height of our credit crisis, I sympathize with you, I truly do. Remember though, that the passage of this law was what Barack Obama and his party focused on during the entirety of 2009, while we were experiencing the worst post WWII recession. The Leaders of the party who held all of the political power at the time stated repeatedly that the Health Care Overhaul would transform our economy to a place of recovery. We are of course still waiting for that recovery today, some four years later.

That seems to be the hallmark of this Administration. Fly from one crisis to the next, use the whipped up emotional state of the citizens to enact some self destructing piece of policy, demonize those who wish to slow down and critically consider things first as evil classes of plutocrats who wish to harm children, old people, puppy dogs, and hope to be out of town before the consequences are noticed. I saw on facebook this morning that one of my friends was livid that anyone would fault Barack Obama for signing his 23 illegal executive orders while surrounding himself with children. How dare we express being offended with this? The problem of course is that it’s at best, a dishonest appeal to the very same fright, fight, or fright emotional state that has served us so poorly in the past.

Whether people like this or not, the right to private gun ownership in America is guaranteed under the Second Amendment to our Constitution. That particular Amendment says nothing about hunting, target shooting, home defense, or even how much force may be used to protect oneself or one’s family. The man who authored the Second Amendment, George Mason, made it abundantly clear that his intention was to guarantee that the citizens be able to fight back against the government being created, should private citizens ever feel as though that government were becoming too tyrannical. People who read my essays, (hi mom,) probably know where I stand on this particular issue. Without getting into the merits, let’s have the discussion out in the open.

If those who wish to see an end to private gun ownership wish to follow through on making their wish a reality, there are two methods that our founding fathers put into place for making changes to our founding document. This has happened 27 times in its 229 years of existence. That represents an average of Eight and one half years for each example of such change. I would still have a problem with a legal attempt to repeal the Second Amendment, done in the open and above board. I would oppose such an attempt, campaign against it, but at least I would respect the honesty. The piecemeal attempt to infringe upon the right to both keep and bear arms is as transparent as it is dishonest. Of course we know what the end game is. It is as plain as the fact that I really do not need a good reason, nor any reason at all as to why I would want a gun in my possession, other than it is my right as an American citizen to have one, or One Hundred, with as many rounds of ammunition as my heart desires.

At some point in the future, and I really do not know when, there will be another terrible shooting in yet another, “gun free zone,” where the shooter will kill him or herself the instant they face the slightest opposition to their murderous spree. The same wails of we must never allow this to happen again will be heard, and new legislation will be proposed to address everything but the actual problem that has created the dangerous circumstances that fomented the massacre in the first place. Of President Obama’s 23 executive orders signed this week, all of them violate our Constitution, none of them would have even slowed the Sandy Hook Shooter down by a half second or longer. Particularly offensive was the directive to have family pediatricians start the practice of snitching on the parents of their patients. Such is the world of governance by crisis, just another piece of our freedom gleefully surrendered to our Narcissist in Chief.

Special Note: As I wrote this essay today, Eric Holder announced yet another delay in his compliance with a contempt order to hand over the documents pertaining to Fast and Furious. This was the operation run by the Obama White House that illegally purchased large quantities of, “assault weapons,” and then handed them out as gifts to Mexican Drug Lords. At least two American Law Enforcement personnel lost their lives due to weapons gifted to criminals in this manner. If Barack Obama were at all serious about putting an end to gun violence, perhaps he should start and end his efforts with the person staring back at him from the mirror during his morning shave. It should also be noted that those famed stimulus funds were used for this operation.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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193 Responses to “Legislation Based On Emotional Appeal Never Helps”
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  1. 1 | January 21, 2013 8:46 am

    At least two American Law Enforcement personnel lost their lives due to weapons gifted to criminals in this manner.

    That is not to mention hundreds of Mexican citizens. They weren’t just giving guns out. They were making sure that the most violent criminals would have guns. All so they could argue that you and I were too dangerous to allow guns.


  2. RIX
    2 | January 21, 2013 8:59 am

    Good morning . Not a good day, he reallyis in for four more years.


  3. 3 | January 21, 2013 9:00 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    And thanks to أوباما’s insane policies in the Middle East, we also give the same guns to, in the words of La Migra, OTM‘s:
    Other
    Than
    Mexicans


  4. 4 | January 21, 2013 9:09 am

    @ Macker:

    Yeah, I was reading that most of the weapons used in Mali came from Libya after we toppled Kadaffy Duck. Smarty diplomacy, don’t you know?


  5. 5 | January 21, 2013 9:12 am

    @ Iron Fist:


  6. 6 | January 21, 2013 9:16 am

    Now, now -- not all the EOs were unconstitutional. Remeber, one of them was O ordering himself to appoint a permanent director of the BATFE, something he could heve done any time in the previous 4 years, even without an EO telling himself to do it.


  7. 7 | January 21, 2013 9:20 am

    @ Mike C.:

    He’s got to appoint someone who will get passed the Senate. That shouldn’t be a big trick, as supine as the Republicans have been.


  8. brookly red
    8 | January 21, 2013 9:21 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Macker:

    Yeah, I was reading that most of the weapons used in Mali came from Libya after we toppled Kadaffy Duck. Smarty diplomacy, don’t you know?

    this is a pretty good article http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/15/a-fast-and-furious-foreign-policy/


  9. mawskrat
    9 | January 21, 2013 9:32 am

    IIRC….3wood predicted the housing market
    collapse a few years before it happened.


  10. lobo91
    10 | January 21, 2013 9:38 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    He’s got to appoint someone who will get passed the Senate. That shouldn’t be a big trick, as supine as the Republicans have been.

    Like this?

    Obama Names Candidate For ATF Director Who Was Involved In Design Of “Fast And Furious”

    As part of President Barack Obama’s 23-point gun control plan, he nominated Minnesota U.S. Attorney B. Todd Jones-who currently doubles right now as the acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives-to be the ATF Director.

    Jones was personally a part of the high-ranking Department of Justice unit that first met on October 26, 2009, to create the new DOJ policy that was used to justify “gunwalking” in Operation Fast and Furious. In Fast and Furious, the ATF “walked” roughly 2,000 firearms into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels. That means through straw purchasers the agency allowed sales to happen and didn’t stop the guns from being trafficked, even though they had the legal authority to do so and were fully capable of doing so.

    Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican citizens–estimates put it around at least 300–were killed with these firearms.


  11. AZfederalist
    11 | January 21, 2013 9:41 am

    Very well written article. Nice tie-in of other “crisis” events and the accompanying legislation that really solved nothing but added to federal government power. One of the other results of the Sarbane Oxley law is the permanent addition of the requirement that publicly traded companies monitor all projects for estimated status and completion costs. This has added another layer of regulatory compliance to all projects and takes additional manpower and time away from actually executing those projects thus adding to costs. The federal government has become a large drag on the economy in so many ways, the last four years have accelerated that trend.

    And the fools in this country voted for another four years of the same.


  12. lobo91
    12 | January 21, 2013 9:53 am

    Fast & Furious, Part Deux:

    Report: Most Of Weapons Al-Qaeda Used In Algeria Gas Plant Siege Came From NATO-Backed Rebels In Libya…

    Most of the weapons used by al Qaeda-linked militants to storm a gas facility in southeastern Algeria came from Libya, the Daily Telegraph has learned.

    Many of the Islamist terrorists shot their way into the In Amenas compound on Thursday using the AK104 model of Kalashnikov, which was typically used by Libyan rebels in the war against Muammar Gaddafi.

    They brought F5 rockets that also surfaced in the Libyan war, said the security source.

    The Islamists wore the same type of outfits that Qatar provided to Libyan National Transitional Council rebels by Qatar – yellow flak jackets with brown patches, known as “chocolate chip” camouflage. The garments are copies of ones worn by Americans in the Gulf war.

    The terrorists also employed 60mm gun-mortars used by France and Libyan rebels.

    Other non-Libyan arms used in the Algerian terror attack included German and Chinese-made Kalashnikovs, classic rocket-propelled grenades and Russian offensive and defensive grenades.


  13. 13 | January 21, 2013 9:54 am

    @ lobo91:

    He shows his utter contempt for the Senate and for the rule of law with this appointment, but I expect him to get through the Senate. The Republicans don’t have the balls to filibuster such an unqualified disaster. They didn’t significantly oppose Elana Kagan, after all.


  14. 14 | January 21, 2013 9:54 am

    @ lobo91:

    The same weapons showed up with Hamas in Gaza and al-Nusra in Syria.


  15. lobo91
    15 | January 21, 2013 9:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    He shows his utter contempt for the Senate and for the rule of law with this appointment, but I expect him to get through the Senate. The Republicans don’t have the balls to filibuster such an unqualified disaster. They didn’t significantly oppose Elana Kagan, after all.

    He’s a long-time associate of Holder’s. And he’s black.

    He’ll probably get 85 votes in the Senate.


  16. 16 | January 21, 2013 9:56 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Macker:
    Yeah, I was reading that most of the weapons used in Mali came from Libya after we toppled Kadaffy Duck. Smarty diplomacy, don’t you know?

    Hamas had had Nato weapons in the recent conflict with Israel.


  17. brookly red
    17 | January 21, 2013 9:56 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    He shows his utter contempt for the Senate and for the rule of law with this appointment, but I expect him to get through the Senate. The Republicans don’t have the balls to filibuster such an unqualified disaster. They didn’t significantly oppose Elana Kagan, after all.

    maybe not, the Republicans are a.feeling the wind at their backs over this gun control thing & b.looking ahead to the mid-terms… we shall see.


  18. 18 | January 21, 2013 10:01 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    You know I very rarely speak out on social issues, but this just crosses the line for me.

    ALBANY, January 18, 2013, (LifeSiteNews.com) – By promoting one of the most expansive abortion bills in American history, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has opened a civil war on two fronts: with his church and with elements of his own party.

    Cuomo is pushing for a massive expansion of access to abortion in the state, including lifting restrictions on third-trimester abortions, allowing non-doctors to perform the procedure, and enshrining a fundamental right to “terminate a pregnancy” in New York state law.

    I feel like throwing up.


  19. 19 | January 21, 2013 10:02 am

    @ brookly red:

    See my #18, this is just sick.


  20. brookly red
    20 | January 21, 2013 10:05 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    See my #18, this is just sick.

    including lifting restrictions on third-trimester abortions, allowing non-doctors to perform the procedure… good luck with that.


  21. 21 | January 21, 2013 10:06 am

    @ brookly red:

    This is just sick.


  22. brookly red
    22 | January 21, 2013 10:08 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    This is just sick.

    It is sick in so many ways I am too lazy to count them. Cuomo is just another soldier in O’s army of satan.


  23. 23 | January 21, 2013 10:09 am

    Rodan wrote:

    including lifting restrictions on third-trimester abortions

    If the right to keep and bear arms was as unresricted as the right to abortion, I’d have the right to have nuclear weapons. Third trimester abortions are murder, and there is no way to pretty that up.


  24. 24 | January 21, 2013 10:10 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Third trimester abortions are murder, and there is no way to pretty that up.

    Absolutely it is. Even many Pro-Choice people are against this. This is outright evil and it proves Cuomo is a Fascist. He’s not a Progressive, he’s a Fascist and a Eugenics supporter.


  25. brookly red
    25 | January 21, 2013 10:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s not a Progressive, he’s a Fascist and a Eugenics supporter.

    he should be excommunicated even if just to make a point.


  26. 26 | January 21, 2013 10:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    That is not to mention hundreds of Mexican citizens. They weren’t just giving guns out. They were making sure that the most violent criminals would have guns. All so they could argue that you and I were too dangerous to allow guns.

    So true, and probably the single best statement of the whole debacle that I’ve seen to date.


  27. brookly red
    27 | January 21, 2013 10:15 am

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s not a Progressive, he’s a Fascist and a Eugenics supporter.

    Ironic that those that will be most harmed by eugenics are his biggest supporters.


  28. 28 | January 21, 2013 10:16 am

    @ brookly red:

    For now.


  29. RIX
    29 | January 21, 2013 10:16 am

    @ Rodan:
    The Democrat Party just seems to have a love affair with abortion.
    Obama & his ilk don’t even consider an infant that escapes a botched
    abortion ton have a right to life.


  30. brookly red
    30 | January 21, 2013 10:18 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    For now.

    for now biggest supporters or most harmed?


  31. brookly red
    31 | January 21, 2013 10:21 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The Democrat Party just seems to have a love affair with abortion.
    Obama & his ilk don’t even consider an infant that escapes a botched
    abortion ton have a right to life.

    well “punished with a baby” said it all, but what can we expect from these people they are not just wrong they are evil.


  32. 32 | January 21, 2013 10:22 am

    @ brookly red:

    For now his biggest supporters.


  33. 33 | January 21, 2013 10:23 am

    @ RIX:

    This is just a sick bill.


  34. RIX
    34 | January 21, 2013 10:25 am

    well “punished with a baby” said it all, but what can we expect from these people they are not just wrong they are evil.
    @ brookly red:

    The Dem hero is flawed.


  35. brookly red
    35 | January 21, 2013 10:26 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    For now his biggest supporters.

    I don’t see that changing any time soon… there is some push back from the clergy, but it will take an act of God to stop this madness.


  36. RIX
    36 | January 21, 2013 10:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    This is just a sick bill.

    It seems like guys like Cuomo don’t just permit abortion,
    they like it.


  37. 37 | January 21, 2013 10:28 am

    @ brookly red:

    I don’t see that changing any time soon

    Republicans do not have the balls to get Blacks to turn on White Progressives who are targeting them for extinction.


  38. brookly red
    38 | January 21, 2013 10:28 am

    RIX wrote:

    well “punished with a baby” said it all, but what can we expect from these people they are not just wrong they are evil.
    @ brookly red:

    The Dem hero is flawed.

    Evil. The biggest problem with the war on terror? we refuse to name the enemy. The biggest problem with the war on the un-born… we refuse to name the enemy.

    Evil has a name.


  39. 39 | January 21, 2013 10:29 am

    @ lobo91:

    There needs to be some gun control legislation in the Middle East. Dispatch battalions of lobbyists and fresh-faced cherubs immediately…..there’s no time to waste!


  40. 40 | January 21, 2013 10:30 am

    @ RIX:

    Abortion now, Abortion forever. It is the holy sacrament of the Democrat Party. They are the Party of death and totalitarianism.


  41. brookly red
    41 | January 21, 2013 10:31 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I don’t see that changing any time soon

    Republicans do not have the balls to get Blacks to turn on White Progressives who are targeting them for extinction.

    well yes, and I am sure some agree with the progressives on this matter.


  42. 42 | January 21, 2013 10:33 am

    @ brookly red:

    I am sure some agree with the progressives on this matter.

    Sadly.


  43. brookly red
    43 | January 21, 2013 10:35 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I don’t see that changing any time soon

    Republicans do not have the balls to get Blacks to turn on White Progressives who are targeting them for extinction.

    Odd, many in the black community think Crack is a plot against them, & AIDs is a plot against them, but not abortion.


  44. mawskrat
    44 | January 21, 2013 10:36 am

    I nominate the wookie for this one

    Wanted: ‘Adventurous woman’ to give birth to Neanderthal man -- Harvard professor seeks mother for cloned cave baby

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265402/Adventurous-human-woman-wanted-birth-Neanderthal-man-Harvard-professor.html#ixzz2IcnUOpLY
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


  45. citizen_q
    45 | January 21, 2013 10:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Third trimester abortions are murder, and there is no way to pretty that up.
    Absolutely it is. Even many Pro-Choice people are against this. This is outright evil and it proves Cuomo is a Fascist. He’s not a Progressive, he’s a Fascist and a Eugenics supporter.

    Interesting to juxtapose this with their criminalization of the 2nd Amendment and the right to self-defence. Also all the sanctimonious “if just 1 life is save” demagoguery.

    Hypocrisy anyone?


  46. brookly red
    46 | January 21, 2013 10:37 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    I nominate the wookie for this one

    Wanted: ‘Adventurous woman’ to give birth to Neanderthal man — Harvard professor seeks mother for cloned cave baby

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265402/Adventurous-human-woman-wanted-birth-Neanderthal-man-Harvard-professor.html#ixzz2IcnUOpLY
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    oh yeah sure usher in the end off days why don’t you.


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | January 21, 2013 10:38 am

    I would just like to point out that there may have been a secondary rationale for Fast & Furious running guns to a Mexican drug cartel.

    Illegal drugs as an industry is probably one of the largest on earth when measured in money. That money ends up in every country’s economy and in all the banks. Remember HBSC got a wrist slap for laundering drug money? Why did no one go to jail?

    Because if you get the drug money out of the economy, a lot of stuff dries up -- like bank liquidity.

    Just thinking out loud.

    Oh, yeah. Enron. I believe Paul Krugman was on their board.

    ’nuff said.


  48. 48 | January 21, 2013 10:41 am

    @ Rodan:

    The enduring love that the Left has for abortion is a constant source of macabre fascination for me.

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Abortion now, Abortion forever. It is the holy sacrament of the Democrat Party. They are the Party of death and totalitarianism.

    No wonder they’ve found common cause with the Islamist bastards. Pope Benedict has called out the culture of death on a number of occasions…he should do it more often, and name names. He should summon Obama for a mano e mano moral summit on the subject, and call on him, personally , thus putting him between the proverbial “rock” and a hard place.


  49. RIX
    49 | January 21, 2013 10:42 am

    Evil. The biggest problem with the war on terror? we refuse to name the enemy. The biggest problem with the war on the un-born… we refuse to name the enemy.

    Evil has a name.

    Odd how the Libs question everything about the Constitution.
    But they see abortion rights as absolute, even though the
    Court manufactured it.


  50. RIX
    50 | January 21, 2013 10:43 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Abortion now, Abortion forever. It is the holy sacrament of the Democrat Party. They are the Party of death and totalitarianism.

    Yup, it is a sacrament to them.


  51. brookly red
    51 | January 21, 2013 10:44 am

    RIX wrote:

    Odd how the Libs question everything about the Constitution.
    But they see abortion rights as absolute, even though the
    Court manufactured it.

    satan requires blood sacrifice. there I said it. evil, evil, evil.


  52. waldensianspirit
    52 | January 21, 2013 10:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Abortion now, Abortion forever. It is the holy sacrament of the Democrat Party. They are the Party of death and totalitarianism.

    Abort if it doesn’t have a dangle

    Imbalance = instant fodder armies


  53. 53 | January 21, 2013 10:45 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    The international banking industry has a long history of being slow-deep in nefarious (at the very least) enterprises and I’ve no doubt that’s the case here.


  54. AZfederalist
    54 | January 21, 2013 10:47 am

    @ Rodan:

    The liberals worship Moloch, but that fiery sacrifice of the young was too traumatizing, so they are now sacrificing the young with a vacuum instead. Same bloody sacrifice, less trauma.

    Evil, pure evil. Why Cuomo has not been excommunicated is beyond me. As a confessional Lutheran, someone publicly committing a sin of this magnitude would have been excommunicated years ago.


  55. RIX
    55 | January 21, 2013 10:48 am

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Odd how the Libs question everything about the Constitution.
    But they see abortion rights as absolute, even though the
    Court manufactured it.

    satan requires blood sacrifice. there I said it. evil, evil, evil.

    Pelosi endorsed abortion as a good way to protect Social Security.
    You know, if you are not here, you can’t collect.


  56. 56 | January 21, 2013 10:49 am

    @ MacDuff:

    slow-deep = elbow deep

    Sometime auto correct works and sometimes not.


  57. 57 | January 21, 2013 10:49 am

    @ citizen_q:

    He is a hypocrite.


  58. 58 | January 21, 2013 10:50 am

    RIX wrote:

    Pelosi endorsed abortion as a good way to protect Social Security.
    You know, if you are not here, you can’t collect.

    She’s an idiot. If you’re not there, you can’t contribute, either.


  59. 59 | January 21, 2013 10:50 am

    @ MacDuff:

    You know I’m not into the social issue stuff. But this bill being proposed by Cuomo is evil. I can’t be silent on this. This is an extreme abortion law.


  60. 60 | January 21, 2013 10:50 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Because if you get the drug money out of the economy, a lot of stuff dries up — like bank liquidity.

    There’s a lot f rumors that the Obama Administration was backing the Sionola Drug Cartel, in an effort to provide some kind of stabilzation to northern Mexico. If that is true, it is a damned fool way to do it. If Obama had any balls he’d be pushing for drug legalization. Point blank, all drugs being illegal does with Obama’s Open Border policy is make the people willing to supply the demand for drugs rich, and increase the violence associated with the drug trade. As you point out, the drug trade is a huge industry. Making it illegal just means that it is a huge untaxed industry. You’d think with their permissive morals and ravenous desire for tax revenue that the Democrats would be on the legalization bandwagon, but they are not. I think that comes down to money. I’d bet that the drug cartels spend beaucoup bucks lobbying to keep the drug trade illegal. You might be surprised by who’s on their payroll, if you could get the DEA interested in checking that out.


  61. brookly red
    61 | January 21, 2013 10:50 am

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Odd how the Libs question everything about the Constitution.
    But they see abortion rights as absolute, even though the
    Court manufactured it.

    satan requires blood sacrifice. there I said it. evil, evil, evil.

    Pelosi endorsed abortion as a good way to protect Social Security.
    You know, if you are not here, you can’t collect.

    same with obamacare…


  62. 62 | January 21, 2013 10:52 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Because if you get the drug money out of the economy, a lot of stuff dries up — like bank liquidity.

    Just thinking out loud.

    I think you are onto something here.


  63. 63 | January 21, 2013 10:52 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Yes, the Democrats can’t even bring thesmselves to outlaw sex-selective abortions. Their comittment to abortion is total. Abortion uber alles.


  64. RIX
    64 | January 21, 2013 10:52 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Pelosi endorsed abortion as a good way to protect Social Security.
    You know, if you are not here, you can’t collect.

    She’s an idiot. If you’re not there, you can’t contribute, either.

    She is so stupid it is disturbing.


  65. 65 | January 21, 2013 10:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    . I’d bet that the drug cartels spend beaucoup bucks lobbying to keep the drug trade illegal.

    That’s my theory as well. I wish Republicans would get out of their comfort zone and push legalization.


  66. RIX
    66 | January 21, 2013 10:54 am

    @ brookly red:
    Wait until people see more of ObamaCare.
    There is going to be shock with the rationing & Eugenics.


  67. 67 | January 21, 2013 10:54 am

    @ AZfederalist:

    It’s pure evil.


  68. RIX
    68 | January 21, 2013 10:55 am

    Just saw a shot of Mooch on FNC.
    The woman is a dead ringer for Jackie Kennedy!/


  69. citizen_q
    69 | January 21, 2013 10:56 am

    O/T don’t read Melanie Phillips too often, but I stumbled onto this article at the UK mail about the problamatic Algerian attempt to rescue hostages.

    Until we learn to be as single-minded as the fanatics -- at home and abroad -- we’re ALL hostages

    Weakness

    The Algerians refuse to negotiate because they know that the Islamists’ position is simply non-negotiable.

    Unlike other hostage-takers, they usually have no interest in getting out alive; they intend to die as ‘martyrs’, and of course have no compunction about killing their captives. Moreover, the purpose of taking hostages is either to kill ‘infidels’, or to extract ransom money for them — which will merely finance more kidnappings and terrorist atrocities.

    Such terrorists thus regard with contempt all negotiation as a sign of weakness. And in the world of Islamic fundamentalism, weakness is an incentive to further violence.

    Only a display of uncompromising strength — including, most importantly, strength of resolve — has any chance of being a deterrent. The Algerians understand this very well. The West does not — instead assuming that everyone on the planet thinks like it does and is thus similarly governed by self-interest.

    But in dealing with Islamist fanatics who regard themselves as the army of God, and for whom death is the highest calling, this is a catastrophic mistake.

    The most devastating consequence has been the West’s refusal to acknowledge that it is not fighting a series of brush fires based on local political grievances, but a war of religion being conducted against the free world in order to destroy it.

    This fundamental misjudgment has meant not merely that Western governments failed to grasp the threat that would be posed by the dispersed Al-Qaeda franchise in the Sahel region of west and north-central Africa. It has also caused them to make a series of dreadful errors which have led Islamic extremists to conclude that victory is within their grasp.

    Failing to deal firmly with terrorist regimes such as Syria, Iran or North Korea, which pose a mortal threat to peace and freedom, Western governments instead helped remove admitted tyrants in the Muslim world who were nevertheless allies (however fragile) of the West.

    Blundering about with their asinine belief that elections are the antidote to holy war, they have merely produced chaos in which Islamic fanatics and terrorists have been the main beneficiaries.


  70. brookly red
    70 | January 21, 2013 10:57 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Because if you get the drug money out of the economy, a lot of stuff dries up — like bank liquidity.

    Just thinking out loud.

    I think you are onto something here.

    every form of corruption requires one thing, untraceable cash money… regardless if you want to buy a senator in Washington, or a suicide bomber in Afghanistan.

    The drug trade will never go away, too many fingers in the pot.


  71. citizen_q
    71 | January 21, 2013 10:57 am

    RIX wrote:

    She is so stupid it is disturbing.

    Yet she get re-elected.


  72. waldensianspirit
    72 | January 21, 2013 10:58 am

    They want high abortion and high immigration … :twisted:


  73. brookly red
    73 | January 21, 2013 10:59 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    every form of corruption requires one thing, untraceable cash money…

    like I said, every form of corruption requires one thing, untraceable cash money…


  74. Alberta Oil Peon
    74 | January 21, 2013 11:00 am

    @ brookly red:
    It’s an effort to provide employment opportunities for butchers sidelined by the “healthy eating” initiatives of Cuomo’s butt-buddy Bloomberg.


  75. waldensianspirit
    75 | January 21, 2013 11:00 am

    brookly red wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    every form of corruption requires one thing, untraceable cash money…

    like I said, every form of corruption requires one thing, untraceable cash money…

    and funky land deals


  76. brookly red
    76 | January 21, 2013 11:01 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    They want high abortion and high immigration …

    they make no secret about wishing to replace Blacks with Hispanics…


  77. 77 | January 21, 2013 11:03 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Blundering about with their asinine belief that elections are the antidote to holy war, they have merely produced chaos in which Islamic fanatics and terrorists have been the main beneficiaries.

    Yes, Islam thrives on chaos, and that is exactly what the Arab Spring has brought. Before there can be real democratization in the Islamic world, there needs to be de-Islamization. Shari’ia Law and freedom are diametrically opposed.


  78. RIX
    78 | January 21, 2013 11:03 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    She is so stupid it is disturbing.

    Yet she get re-elected.

    Yeah, but they are generally stoned in her district.


  79. mawskrat
    79 | January 21, 2013 11:06 am

    and the race baiters do the bidding

    “The minister’s work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members….Margaret Sanger


  80. eaglesoars
    80 | January 21, 2013 11:07 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    slow-deep = elbow deep

    Sometime auto correct works and sometimes not.

    I knew what you meant. :wink:

    Actually, when you think about it, ‘slow deep’ could be a fairly useful characterization of a lot of things.


  81. AZfederalist
    81 | January 21, 2013 11:07 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Nobody said the voters in her district are intellectual giants either.


  82. brookly red
    82 | January 21, 2013 11:10 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    and the race baiters do the bidding

    “The minister’s work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members….Margaret Sanger

    but even she (Sanger) in her wildest fantasies could ever have dreamed she would have a Black POTUS in her camp.

    Then again, maybe she sold her soul for it…


  83. brookly red
    83 | January 21, 2013 11:11 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Actually, when you think about it, ‘slow deep’ could be a fairly useful characterization of a lot of things.

    like obama care ;)


  84. 84 | January 21, 2013 11:13 am

    @ mawskrat:

    Margaret Sanger is worse than any Grand Dragon of the KKK ever dared to be, and she is celebrated as a hero by the Left. Including by blacks. It is unreal.


  85. citizen_q
    85 | January 21, 2013 11:13 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    and the race baiters do the bidding
    “The minister’s work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members….Margaret Sanger

    Are the sources for that quote credible?

    That quote and the Revs jackson and sharpton’s pictures would make a great poster, or ad. Especially coupled with frightening abortions statistics I have see for blacks.


  86. RIX
    86 | January 21, 2013 11:13 am

    Ok, after he swears in what are the odds that Obama screams “Allah Akbar!”
    and “Death to America!”


  87. 87 | January 21, 2013 11:16 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    You know I’m not into the social issue stuff. But this bill being proposed by Cuomo is evil. I can’t be silent on this. This is an extreme abortion law.

    I’m not into the Social issues either, but geez, this is, as you said, extreme and evil. They’re never satisfied and third trimester is nothing more than infanticide and I don’t think anyone with even a shred of decency can justify that.

    I’m finding myself more sickened by the “right to choose” with each passing day, particularly when there is increasingly reliable, and affordable, birth control available. There’s no reason for this unholy carnage, and I’m becoming increasingly convinced that this desensitization and cheapening of life is a common thread that connects mass murders, abortions and eventual euthanasia of the old.


  88. brookly red
    88 | January 21, 2013 11:17 am

    RIX wrote:

    Ok, after he swears in what are the odds that Obama screams “Allah Akbar!”
    and “Death to America!”

    well if actions speak louder than words 100%


  89. brookly red
    89 | January 21, 2013 11:19 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    There’s no reason for this unholy carnage, and I’m becoming increasingly convinced that this desensitization and cheapening of life is a common thread that connects mass murders, abortions and eventual euthanasia of the old.

    could it be….. satan?


  90. RIX
    90 | January 21, 2013 11:20 am

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Ok, after he swears in what are the odds that Obama screams “Allah Akbar!”
    and “Death to America!”

    well if actions speak louder than words 100%

    True, true, whatever he says his intent is to punish America.


  91. waldensianspirit
    91 | January 21, 2013 11:20 am

    RIX wrote:

    Ok, after he swears in what are the odds that Obama screams “Allah Akbar!”
    and “Death to America!”

    I hope he can only press the red button but not set the gps coordinates

    Of course the response would be bad and how he likes it


  92. mawskrat
    92 | January 21, 2013 11:21 am

    @ citizen_q:

    yep she wrote them down

    1) “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

    Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.


  93. brookly red
    93 | January 21, 2013 11:24 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ citizen_q:

    yep she wrote them down

    1) “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

    Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.

    ironic to have this discussion on MLK day isn’t it?


  94. RIX
    94 | January 21, 2013 11:30 am

    @ waldensianspirit:
    I want him to say, “My fellow Americans, I resign”


  95. eaglesoars
    95 | January 21, 2013 11:30 am

    I’ve brought this subject up before but I think much of this abortion on demand horror would not be what it is if it weren’t for the marginalization of men.

    Just as a starting point for a thought experiment -- what if the father of a child wanted the child? The mother still gets to abort, right?

    Take it from there.


  96. mawskrat
    96 | January 21, 2013 11:33 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    it’s a slippery slope


  97. citizen_q
    97 | January 21, 2013 11:35 am

    @ mawskrat:
    Wow! Thanks!

    Some of those inconvenient facts I hear so much about.

    brookly red wrote:

    ironic to have this discussion on MLK day isn’t it?

    What’s ironic is that having this discussion and observing facts that counter the prevailing meme, we would be tarred as racists by those pushing it.


  98. Alberta Oil Peon
    98 | January 21, 2013 11:36 am

    Incidentally, Enron’s corporate successor, or at least one of them, EOG, is still around and doing business. They are drilling shale-gas wells in northern B.C.

    The consulting firm I work for got me a gig at one of these wells. I had the meeting with the EOG staff, and they did a big selling job on how modern and and “cutting edge” their operation was. So…. middle of January, I drive about a thousand miles north, with all my gear and about 20 pails of citrus-based solvent in the Suburban. By the time I get there, all I can taste and smell is lemon peels.

    Got booked into the camp; show up at the rig next morning (gotta pass Security, doncha know) and met the geologist on duty at the time. They weren’t drilling at the time; the rig was setting up after a move. Got to see the “sample lab” where we were supposed to prepare our samples. It was literally a closet-sized kitchenette in a POS office trailer rented from of the Indian bands. (basically graft to the Indians so they won’t protest and shut down the whole job; a fact of life in B.C.) This kitchenette had only a single sink, and totally inadequate ventilation for working with solvent, even “green” plant-sourced solvent. Not to mention totally inadequate counter space. I have used similar shacks many times on little short-ass jobs where they re-enter an old well with a service rig and drill another 50 meters or so, and get it all done in a day. For one day, you can put up with sub-standard facilities. But for a multi-well program that runs all winter?

    So I got on the phone with my designated contact guy at EOG, and basically said, “this sample lab is a sick joke, and totally inadequate, not to mention unsafe to work in with organic solvents”. He said, “we cannot change that now”. So I said, “then you can do it without me, because I don’t want to put my health at risk in there”. “OK, get on the road then”. So I unloaded my 20 pails of solvent, grabbed my gear at camp, and headed for home. A two-day drive, you know. I wound up getting paid the mileage for the round trip as a hotshot.

    My leaders at the consulting firm were almost fit to be tied. They had done at lot of work to cultivate EOG as a client, and here I had blown it all away. I said to my boss, “Man, you don’t want to have these guys as clients; sooner or later there is going to be a wreck up there, or lawsuits resulting from chemical exposure. They may talk the talk regarding safety and health, but they don’t walk the walk”. And I had photos of the inadequate “lab” to back me up.

    I wasn’t sure if I still had a job or not, but a week or two later, I got put onto this gig that I am on now, and it’s everything the EOG job wasn’t.

    I am probably blacklisted for life by EOG, as if I care.


  99. eaglesoars
    99 | January 21, 2013 11:37 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    it’s a slippery slope

    Yeah, well, aren’t they all………..


  100. eaglesoars
    100 | January 21, 2013 11:44 am

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    I am probably blacklisted for life by EOG, as if I care.

    If I were you, I’d hold on to those photographs, ‘cuz like you, I smell a lawsuit.


  101. Alberta Oil Peon
    101 | January 21, 2013 11:48 am

    @ mawskrat:
    “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

    Well, just playing Devil’s Advocate here, but one way to read that statement is that she was concerned that her selfless efforts to limit uncontrolled population growth in the black American community might be misinterpreted by rabble-rousers as an attempt at genocide.

    You know that’s how the Left would spin it, anyway.


  102. 102 | January 21, 2013 11:49 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ citizen_q:

    yep she wrote them down

    1) “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

    Margaret Sanger’s December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon’s Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America. New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.

    Oliver Stone has a book and a Showtime series entitled “The Untold History of the United States”….there should be one entitled “The Untold History of the American Left”…..

    Then again, no one seems to listen or care….everyone is too high on Honey Boo Boo, American Idol and Obama’s Happy-Time Bullshit to even care anymore.


  103. Alberta Oil Peon
    103 | January 21, 2013 11:53 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    Still have them, right here on this computer. I am clear of that mess, fortunately. At the time, I was aware that I might be burning bridges, but I really didn’t care at that point. I could have hired on with another consulting firm very easily. But it all worked out for the best.


  104. eaglesoars
    104 | January 21, 2013 12:01 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    At the time, I was aware that I might be burning bridges,

    That’s a helluva lot better than your family filing for survivor benefits.

    I’ve walked away from a job I realized was totally corrupt. Took a 50% pay cut. But I figured most of the pay from that corrupt job, had I stayed, would have gone toward legal fees.

    And yeah, eventually people did go to jail.


  105. 105 | January 21, 2013 12:12 pm

    The Inaugural Address was wafting in from the other room and I was trying to sum it up in one word but I had a question -- is bullshit technically one word or two?


  106. RIX
    106 | January 21, 2013 12:15 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    I just heard a little. But what I did hear The Dear leader
    managed to invoke Class Warfare & Global Warming.
    He will continue to loot then Treasury.


  107. Alberta Oil Peon
    107 | January 21, 2013 12:19 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    The Inaugural Address was wafting in from the other room and I was trying to sum it up in one word but I had a question — is bullshit technically one word or two?

    In a word, yes. Depends on the circumstances. One word? “I’ve had enough of that bullshit”.

    Two words? Obama drones on and on. Response: “Buuuull Shit!”


  108. lobo91
    108 | January 21, 2013 12:20 pm

    Ugh…I don’t know who this “award-winning poet” is, but he’s annoying the crap out of me.


  109. eaglesoars
    109 | January 21, 2013 12:21 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    is bullshit technically one word or two?

    Used as a noun it is one word

    ‘The bull shit on my shoes’ is obviously 2 words.


  110. waldensianspirit
    110 | January 21, 2013 12:22 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    ‘The bull shit on my shoes’ is obviously 2 words.

    You walking near DC?


  111. eaglesoars
    111 | January 21, 2013 12:25 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    ‘The bull shit on my shoes’ is obviously 2 words.

    You walking near DC?

    not if I can help it………..


  112. lobo91
    112 | January 21, 2013 12:25 pm

    Speaking of “abortion as a sacrament”:

    Unreal: Obama Attends Church With Planned Parenthood CEO…

    No reports as to whether or not any abortions were performed during the service.


  113. 113 | January 21, 2013 12:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Ugh…I don’t know who this “award-winning poet” is, but he’s annoying the crap out of me.

    Generally, I find modern poets to be verbal mimes.


  114. lobo91
    114 | January 21, 2013 12:29 pm

    Time Reporter: Dear Leader’s Background Lets Him “Think In More Complex Terms” Than Mortal Men…

    TIME Magazine reporter Jon Meacham joined MSNBC host Chris Matthews on Monday for President Barack Obama’s second inauguration. Both Meacham and Matthews compared Obama to President Ronald Reagan and asked if he can achieve a lasting legacy in his second term through compromise with his opponents. Meacham said that he thought so because, like Reagan whose formative experience in life came from being a labor organizer and an actor, Obama’s background is that of a college professor. Professors, Meacham said, are able to ‘think in more complex terms’ and ‘reach more nuanced positions.’

    Of course, another way to look at it is that Reagan’s formative experience was in the real world of America during the Depression and WWII, which led him to come up with ideas that actually worked, while Obama tends to come up with ivory tower bullshit.


  115. lobo91
    115 | January 21, 2013 12:30 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Ugh…I don’t know who this “award-winning poet” is, but he’s annoying the crap out of me.
    Generally, I find modern poets to be verbal mimes.

    He managed to include references to the children killed in CT, along with solar power and wind turbines.


  116. lobo91
    116 | January 21, 2013 12:31 pm

    And now we get a pretty much unrecognizable version of our national anthem perfomed by Beyonce.


  117. eaglesoars
    117 | January 21, 2013 12:35 pm

    I can’t believe you guys are actually watching that cr -- uh, bullshit.


  118. 118 | January 21, 2013 12:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Kind of sums up the Left, doesn’t it? An emotional appeal for green power and gun control, neither of which actually works, if you are lookingfor good results. OTOH, if you are looking for oppertunities to increase graft, both are stunning successes.


  119. eaglesoars
    119 | January 21, 2013 12:36 pm

    ok, gotta go.


  120. Da_Beerfreak
    120 | January 21, 2013 12:38 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    See my #18, this is just sick.

    including lifting restrictions on third-trimester abortions, allowing non-doctors to perform the procedure… good luck with that.

    In the long run it will reduce the number of Liberals in New York… :evil:


  121. lobo91
    121 | January 21, 2013 12:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    This speech was pretty much the polar opposite of JFK’s inaugural address.

    “Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you.”

    And for “your country” read “I”


  122. 122 | January 21, 2013 12:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    He managed to include references to the children killed in CT, along with solar power and wind turbines.

    …and I’m sure that was just coincidence. This isn’t an Inauguration, it’s a campaign rally. F**king shameless, as usual.


  123. 123 | January 21, 2013 12:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    He does think he is the State, doesn’t he? We’ve never had so narcissistic a President.


  124. lobo91
    124 | January 21, 2013 12:46 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup. It was an ad for all the crap he intends to ram through in his second term.

    Probably the most partisan inaugural address ever given (well, in this country, anyway).


  125. AZfederalist
    125 | January 21, 2013 12:48 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah, that was my thought. I don’t have anything to do because I’m still on medical leave, but even so, there are lots of other things I can do than watch that mess. Heck, HoneyBooBoo would is more intelligent than that mess.


  126. lobo91
    126 | January 21, 2013 12:51 pm

    Joe Biden: “I Want You To Know Something Else About This Guy Barack Obama — He’s Just Getting Started”…

    At an inaugural reception last night, Vice President Joe Biden praised President Obama for his first term and welcomed America to his second.

    “This man has already done an absolutely remarkable job,” Biden explained praising Obama for passing his healthcare initiative, ending the war in Iraq and supporting gay marriage.

    “I want you to know something else about this guy Barack Obama — he’s just getting started,” Biden added. “He’s just getting started.”


  127. 127 | January 21, 2013 12:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup. It was an ad for all the crap he intends to ram through in his second term.

    Probably the most partisan inaugural address ever given (well, in this country, anyway).

    Did you notice the smirk? That says all I need to know. I also noticed the look on Boehner’s face as they walked out; no words wet needed.


  128. brookly red
    128 | January 21, 2013 12:54 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    See my #18, this is just sick.

    including lifting restrictions on third-trimester abortions, allowing non-doctors to perform the procedure… good luck with that.

    In the long run it will reduce the number of Liberals in New York…

    no it won’t they will just bring in more…


  129. lobo91
    129 | January 21, 2013 12:55 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I really think this speech was Obama’s declaration of war against the rest of us.


  130. brookly red
    130 | January 21, 2013 12:57 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup. It was an ad for all the crap he intends to ram through in his second term.

    Probably the most partisan inaugural address ever given (well, in this country, anyway).

    Did you notice the smirk? That says all I need to know. I also noticed the look on Boehner’s face as they walked out; no words wet needed.

    I was walking out side when the wind blew and it had this awful chemical solvent smell… then I realized it was the smell of 60 million people cleaning their guns.


  131. lobo91
    131 | January 21, 2013 1:00 pm

    A promo just ran for the new FX series The Americans, which is about KGB sleeper agents in the US during the Cold War.

    I wonder if the placement was intentional?


  132. 132 | January 21, 2013 1:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I would just like to point out that there may have been a secondary rationale for Fast & Furious running guns to a Mexican drug cartel.

    Illegal drugs as an industry is probably one of the largest on earth when measured in money. That money ends up in every country’s economy and in all the banks. Remember HBSC got a wrist slap for laundering drug money? Why did no one go to jail?

    Because if you get the drug money out of the economy, a lot of stuff dries up — like bank liquidity.

    Just thinking out loud.

    Oh, yeah. Enron. I believe Paul Krugman was on their board.

    ’nuff said.

    This is part of the broken window fallacy. Drug money, and the supposed contribution of the illicit percentage of our criminal GDP, while it may be what ever percentage that is claimed, also costs more, much more than it is worth in terms of fighting crime, destruction of property, regulation created to combat it, etc.

    This is a Keynesian view of our economy at large, and has been proven wrong so many times by history that quite frankly, I find it difficult to take seriously anymore.


  133. lobo91
    133 | January 21, 2013 1:06 pm

    “I thought this was an amazing speech, historically very important. Not memorable…there’s not a line here that will ever be repeated, but I think very important historically. This was really Obama unbound. And I think what’s most interesting is that Obama is declaring the end of Reaganism.”
    --Charles Krauthammer


  134. brookly red
    134 | January 21, 2013 1:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “I thought this was an amazing speech, historically very important. Not memorable…there’s not a line here that will ever be repeated, but I think very important historically. This was really Obama unbound. And I think what’s most interesting is that Obama is declaring the end of Reaganism.”
    --Charles Krauthammer

    he is wrong many lines will be repeated, mostly by bloggers but hopefully by lawyers & member of congress too.


  135. 135 | January 21, 2013 1:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Obama is declaring the end of Reaganism

    He wants a post-prosperity America, and he is creating it.


  136. lobo91
    136 | January 21, 2013 1:13 pm

    I think today is going to go down in history as the opening shot in our future second civil war.


  137. 137 | January 21, 2013 1:14 pm

    More than half of the people in this country deserve everything that’s coming to them over the next 48 months, Damn them for forcing me to come along for the ride.

    That’s all I have to say about that.

    Have a good day, peeps.


  138. RIX
    138 | January 21, 2013 1:16 pm

    I have no expertise in inaugural addresses, but I can’t recall
    one more partisan.


  139. Da_Beerfreak
    139 | January 21, 2013 1:17 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I know. Just indulging in some wishful think.


  140. lobo91
    140 | January 21, 2013 1:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I have no expertise in inaugural addresses, but I can’t recall
    one more partisan.

    There’s never been one, at least in this country.

    Venezuela, maybe.


  141. lobo91
    141 | January 21, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ RIX:

    Traditionally, inaugural addresses are used to speak to the nation as a whole.

    This one was aimed squarely at the far left. The clear message to the rest of us was “I won. F*ck the rest of you.”


  142. RIX
    142 | January 21, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ lobo91:
    This is going to be a nasty four years.
    BHO & the Media will gin up he class warfare, while he
    continues to launder money to “Green” shams.


  143. 143 | January 21, 2013 1:22 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Making drugs illegal costs more, in the end, than having them legal. You still have all the problems associated with drugs (i.e. addiction), but now you have guaranteed a criminal element to it as well. It is just like when htey enacted Prohibition. It didn’t really stop many people from drinking, but it made wealthy people out of the bootleggers and others who were willing to supply the demand for illegal booze. Making drugs illegal has just been that mistake repeated for far longer a period of time.


  144. AZfederalist
    144 | January 21, 2013 1:23 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I also noticed the look on Boehner’s face as they walked out; no words wet needed

    Would like to think you are describing a look of grim resolve and determination but I’m guessing a look of defeat and surrender?


  145. RIX
    145 | January 21, 2013 1:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Traditionally, inaugural addresses are used to speak to the nation as a whole.
    This one was aimed squarely at the far left. The clear message to the rest of us was “I won. F*ck the rest of you.”

    That’s exactly right. BHO threw down the gauntlet &
    served notice that it is his way or the highway.
    The Republicans should do everything possible to mess up
    his nominations.


  146. brookly red
    146 | January 21, 2013 1:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I think today is going to go down in history as the opening shot in our future second civil war.

    that shot was fired 4 years ago… Drudge has an interesting shot(photo) of 0 4 yrs ago and today. Clearly the evil within is eating away at his exterior. Every deal with the devil has an expiration date.


  147. brookly red
    147 | January 21, 2013 1:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    This is going to be a nasty four years.
    BHO & the Media will gin up he class warfare, while he
    continues to launder money to “Green” shams.

    nasty 2 years… the mid terms cometh


  148. Da_Beerfreak
    148 | January 21, 2013 1:27 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    every form of corruption requires one thing, untraceable cash money…
    like I said, every form of corruption requires one thing, untraceable cash money…

    and funky land deals

    Also, don’t forget the pork futures….


  149. Da_Beerfreak
    149 | January 21, 2013 1:30 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    They want high abortion and high immigration …

    they make no secret about wishing to replace Blacks with Hispanics…

    Hispanics are harder working and more reliable taxpayers…


  150. 150 | January 21, 2013 1:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree whole heartedly, plus it is entirely against the principles of our founding law. Protecting people from themselves is a very slippery slope to be certain, as well as a violation of their God given right to stupidity.

    It quite simply should not be any of the government’s business what I may wish to ingest, inhale, rub into my belly, or even look at. So long as I am doing no harm to others, mind y’own damned business!


  151. brookly red
    151 | January 21, 2013 1:33 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    They want high abortion and high immigration …

    they make no secret about wishing to replace Blacks with Hispanics…

    Hispanics are harder working and more reliable taxpayers…

    They also say that… so you are OK with it?


  152. brookly red
    152 | January 21, 2013 1:35 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    It quite simply should not be any of the government’s business what I may wish to ingest, inhale, rub into my belly, or even look at. So long as I am doing no harm to others, mind y’own damned business!

    /GASP! but,but,but you are too stupid to make your own decisions


  153. Da_Beerfreak
    153 | January 21, 2013 1:36 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    This is going to be a nasty four years.
    BHO & the Media will gin up he class warfare, while he
    continues to launder money to “Green” shams.

    nasty 2 years… the mid terms cometh

    With Obama’s newly reorganized campagne operations expect to see the dirtiest fighting ever over the next two years. Obama’s goal is to destroy the GOP and TEA parties completely and there is nothing in DC Town to hold him back.


  154. brookly red
    154 | January 21, 2013 1:38 pm

    Does Moochelle despise herself so much she needs to put on a wig hat?


  155. Da_Beerfreak
    155 | January 21, 2013 1:38 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Looks like some posts need a /sac tag :wink:


  156. 156 | January 21, 2013 1:40 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Obama’s goal is to destroy the GOP and TEA parties completely and there is nothing in DC Town to hold him back.

    Nothing in DC, that’ strue, but DC is not, contrary to its inhabitant’s limited view, the whole country. There is a lot to stop him in the rest of the country. The individual States are first up to bat. Too, it is possible that we will get some help from a five-four Supreme Court. That’ll depend on whether Justice Roberts can find his mis-placed spine.


  157. cigarguymt
    158 | January 21, 2013 1:41 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    This is going to be a nasty four years.
    BHO & the Media will gin up he class warfare, while he
    continues to launder money to “Green” shams.
    nasty 2 years… the mid terms cometh

    With Obama’s newly reorganized campagne operations expect to see the dirtiest fighting ever over the next two years. Obama’s goal is to destroy the GOP and TEA parties completely and there is nothing in DC Town to hold him back.

    Just caught on Rush(being hosted by Mark Stein) That someone was on tv stating how Obamas plan is to drive a stake threw the Republican party and have them in a civil war by 2014 elections.


  158. cigarguymt
    159 | January 21, 2013 1:42 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Man lobo you got that up faster than me but true


  159. brookly red
    160 | January 21, 2013 1:43 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    and there is nothing in DC Town to hold him back.

    DC town is just one big whorehouse, I don’t put my hope in DC. I appeal to a higher authority.
    No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD


  160. brookly red
    161 | January 21, 2013 1:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Top Aide: Obama Seeks To Split Republican Party Into Warring Factions Before 2014 Midterm Elections…

    meh Drudge ran that yesterday…


  161. brookly red
    162 | January 21, 2013 1:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Obama’s goal is to destroy the GOP and TEA parties completely and there is nothing in DC Town to hold him back.

    Nothing in DC, that’ strue, but DC is not, contrary to its inhabitant’s limited view, the whole country. There is a lot to stop him in the rest of the country. The individual States are first up to bat. Too, it is possible that we will get some help from a five-four Supreme Court. That’ll depend on whether Justice Roberts can find his mis-placed spine.

    upding :)


  162. Da_Beerfreak
    163 | January 21, 2013 1:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ lobo91:
    @ cigarguymt:
    My money is on the States, they are our last firewall to protect our Rights and Freedoms from an out of control Central Government. The Liberal plan is to concentrate all power in DC Town. Only the States working together have the necessary power to win this fight.

    And there will be no help coming from the Blue States, they have already sold their souls to Orcs in DC.


  163. RIX
    164 | January 21, 2013 2:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    This is going to be a nasty four years.
    BHO & the Media will gin up he class warfare, while he
    continues to launder money to “Green” shams.

    nasty 2 years… the mid terms cometh

    No doubt.


  164. lobo91
    165 | January 21, 2013 2:05 pm

    Upchuck Schumer: “Those Of Us In The Pro-Gun Safety Movement… Should Accept There’s A Constitutional Right To Bear Arms”…

    Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), in an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, said a single woman living next to a crack house has the right to keep a gun in her house – she doesn’t need an assault weapon.

    “Now, I agree with Ted. There’s a right to bear arms. I want to see that lady, if she wants to have a firearm in her house, have it. And I think those of us in the pro-gun safety movement should accept the Heller decision and say there’s a constitutional right to arms, and it’s no less important than the right to free speech, the right against search and seizure,” Schumer said.

    “But Heller also said that there should be reasonable limitations. They’re allowed reasonable limitations. I don’t think that lady needs an assault weapon. I don’t think she needs a hundred round clip. I don’t think, for instance, that those things would help her in any way. And so to say she has a right to bear arms – yes,” Schumer said.

    Looks like the left is trying to manipulate the language again. Notice that Schumer now claims to represent the “pro-gun safety” movement, rather than the anti-gun movement. Obviously, this implies that his opponents--gun owners and the NRA--are against gun safety.


  165. AZfederalist
    166 | January 21, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Scum, pure and simple. And of course the democrat MSM (but I repeat myself) will go along with this.


  166. Da_Beerfreak
    167 | January 21, 2013 2:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Looks like the left is trying to manipulate the language again. Notice that Schumer now claims to represent the “pro-gun safety” movement, rather than the anti-gun movement. Obviously, this implies that his opponents--gun owners and the NRA--are against gun safety.

    So when did UpChuck Schumer (scum, NY) join the NRA?? I missed that one.


  167. lobo91
    168 | January 21, 2013 2:16 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    I particularly enjoy the use of extreme examples. So, a “single woman who lives next to a crack house” has a right to own a gun. What about people who are married, or don’t live next to crack houses? And why don’t the police do something about the crack house, instead?

    And of course he has to bring up “assault weapons” and “hundred round clips.” How about a Glock with a 17 round magazine? Is that excessive, too? Andrew Cuomo apparently thinks so.


  168. lobo91
    169 | January 21, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    To Schumer and his crowd, “gun safety” means that only cops, the military, criminals, and his cronies have guns.


  169. lobo91
    170 | January 21, 2013 2:19 pm

    Beckel is on FNC now defending Obama’s speech.

    “He won, and it’s time for conservatives to get over it.”


  170. AZfederalist
    171 | January 21, 2013 2:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ AZfederalist:

    I particularly enjoy the use of extreme examples. So, a “single woman who lives next to a crack house” has a right to own a gun. What about people who are married, or don’t live next to crack houses? And why don’t the police do something about the crack house, instead?

    And of course he has to bring up “assault weapons” and “hundred round clips.” How about a Glock with a 17 round magazine? Is that excessive, too? Andrew Cuomo apparently thinks so.

    Have you seen this? It looks like they may have finally overstepped and pushed too far.


  171. Da_Beerfreak
    172 | January 21, 2013 2:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Beckel is on FNC now defending Obama’s speech.

    “He won, and it’s time for conservatives to get over it.”

    More likely he really meant:
    “He won, and it’s time to destroy the conservatives.”


  172. RIX
    173 | January 21, 2013 2:28 pm

    Chris Matthews has compared Obamas speech today to Lincolns
    Gettysburg Address.
    I don’t remember who said it, but Matthews does want to have
    Obamas baby.


  173. Da_Beerfreak
    174 | January 21, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ AZfederalist:
    That is where all of this is headed.
    The Liberals refuse to believe it can really happen.


  174. 175 | January 21, 2013 2:32 pm

    “He won, and it’s time for conservatives to get over it.”

    Mr Beckel might want to consider that, at least so far as conservatives in the House and Senate are concerned, they won, too.


  175. RIX
    176 | January 21, 2013 2:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Beckel is on FNC now defending Obama’s speech.

    “He won, and it’s time for conservatives to get over it.”

    Beckel makes me feel good about myself.
    I have never been quite so doofus.


  176. 177 | January 21, 2013 2:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    And I think those of us in the pro-gun safety movement should accept the Heller decision and say there’s a constitutional right to arms, and it’s no less important than the right to free speech, the right against search and seizure,” Schumer said.

    Strict scruitney. There is no reason that the Right to keep and bear arms should be any more strictly regulated than the right to an abortion. That’d mean kids don’t need their parent’s permission to buy “assault rifles”, wouldn’t it? You’ll notice that they never trot out “if it saves one life” about the abortion issue.


  177. RIX
    178 | January 21, 2013 2:36 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    “He won, and it’s time for conservatives to get over it.”

    Mr Beckel might want to consider that, at least so far as conservatives in the House and Senate are concerned, they won, too.

    They all seem to overlook that.
    The Republican Congress have constituents that did not elect them
    to just go along with Obama.


  178. 179 | January 21, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ RIX:

    I despise Beckel. He is a true oxygen thief.


  179. lobo91
    180 | January 21, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    I hadn’t seen that before. Good for them.

    It’s going to happen all over the country if they’re not careful.


  180. lobo91
    181 | January 21, 2013 2:40 pm

    @ RIX:

    They all seem to overlook that.
    The Republican Congress have constituents that did not elect them
    to just go along with Obama.

    An “inconvenient truth,” to borrow a phrase from another leftist fraud.


  181. RIX
    182 | January 21, 2013 2:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I despise Beckel. He is a true oxygen thief.

    An egotistical buffoon.
    He keeps talking about playing football. It was Division III.


  182. lobo91
    183 | January 21, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ RIX:

    Was that back before they had helmets?

    Would explain a lot…


  183. RIX
    184 | January 21, 2013 2:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Was that back before they had helmets?

    Would explain a lot…

    They probably couldn’t find one to fit his melon.


  184. lobo91
    185 | January 21, 2013 2:46 pm

    Looks like the big luncheon is running 30 minutes over schedule.

    All the little people who turned out to watch the parade are left standing around in the cold waiting.

    Seems fitting, somehow…


  185. lobo91
    186 | January 21, 2013 2:49 pm

    Lib Professor Cornel West “Upset” With Obama Fior Using MLK Jr. Bible At Inauguration…

    At a poverty-reduction forum last week, Princeton professor Cornel West said he was “upset” after learning that Barack Obama was being sworn in on Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Bible. West condemned Obama for using King’s “prophetic fire as just a moment in presidential pageantry” and called it a “political calculation.” “I got upset because you don’t play with Martin Luther King, Jr. and you play with his people, and by his people what I mean is people of good conscience, fundamentally committed to peace, and truth, and justice,” he said.

    Translation: Obama isn’t nearly far enough to the left for West.


  186. RIX
    187 | January 21, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Moochelle is trying to stop school kids from trying to deny school kids anything
    for lunch that they actually like.
    Yet she just scarfed down a 3,000 calorie meal.


  187. Da_Beerfreak
    188 | January 21, 2013 2:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lib Professor Cornel West “Upset” With Obama Fior Using MLK Jr. Bible At Inauguration…

    At a poverty-reduction forum last week, Princeton professor Cornel West said he was “upset” after learning that Barack Obama was being sworn in on Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Bible. West condemned Obama for using King’s “prophetic fire as just a moment in presidential pageantry” and called it a “political calculation.” “I got upset because you don’t play with Martin Luther King, Jr. and you play with his people, and by his people what I mean is people of good conscience, fundamentally committed to peace, and truth, and justice,” he said.

    Translation: Obama isn’t nearly far enough to the left for West.

    Neither is the real MLK.


  188. 189 | January 21, 2013 2:58 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Neither is the real MLK.

    100% on that. MLK said he wanted his kids judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skins. The race hustlers of today want everyone judged on the color of their skins, and if they’re white, they are evil.


  189. lobo91
    190 | January 21, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Cornel West is pretty much a caricature of everything that’s wrong with the race-based grievance industry. He probably wouldn’t get the joke here:


  190. lobo91
    191 | January 21, 2013 3:14 pm

    They’re showing the dignitaries coming out of the Capitol now. They just walked past the honor guard, who are carrying rifles with fixed bayonets.

    I thought we didn’t use bayonets any more, according to Obama?
    //


  191. Da_Beerfreak
    192 | January 21, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Stage props…. :wink:


  192. 193 | January 21, 2013 3:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Moochelle is trying to stop school kids from trying to deny school kids anything
    for lunch that they actually like.
    Yet she just scarfed down a 3,000 calorie meal.

    “Do as I say, not as I do!” -- Any Demo☭rat…especially The First Wookiee!


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