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Obama’s anti-Zionist views

by Speranza ( 246 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Israel at January 23rd, 2013 - 2:00 pm

Obama’s anti-Zionism has been nurtured over the years and cultivated through the left-wing crowd he always felt comfortable in.

by Daniel Pipes

Were Barack Obama reelected, I predicted two months before the November 2012 presidential vote, “the coldest treatment of Israel ever by a U.S. president will follow. Well, the election is over and that cold treatment is firmly in place. Obama has signaled in the past two months what lies ahead by:

   Choosing three senior figures — John Kerry for State, John Brennan for the CIA, and Chuck Hagel for Defense — who range from clueless about Israel to hostile toward it.

   Approving a huge gift of advanced weapons — 20 F-16 fighter jets and 200 M1A1 Abrams tanks — to the Islamist government in Egypt despite the fact that its president, Mohamed Morsi, has become increasingly despotic and in 2010 called Jews “blood-suckers . . . warmongers, the descendants of apes and pigs.”

Ignoring evidence that Cairo is importing Scud missile parts from North Korea.

[......]

Rebuffing the 239 House members who called for closing the PLO office in Washington in response to the PLO’s drive for state-observer status at the United Nations.

Asked about Obama’s nomination of Hagel, Ed Koch, the former New York City mayor who despite his astringent criticism of Obama nonetheless endorsed him for reelection, offered an astonishing response: “I thought that there would come a time when [Obama] would renege on . . . his support of Israel [but this] comes a little earlier than I thought.” Even Obama’s pro-Israel supporters expected him to turn against the Jewish state.

These anti-Israel steps raise worries because they jibe with Obama’s early anti-Zionist views. We lack specifics, but we know that he studied with, befriended, socialized with, and encouraged Palestinian extremists. Take, for example, anti-Israel theorist Edward Said. A picture from 1998 shows Obama listening raptly to Said as he delivered the keynote speech at an Arab community event in Chicago. Or consider former PLO public-relations operative Rashid Khalidi, then Obama pal. In 2003, at an event to honor Khalidi, Obama sat idly by as speakers accused Israel of waging a terrorist campaign against Palestinians and compared “Zionist settlers on the West Bank” to Osama bin Laden. Ali Abunimah, an anti-Israel agitator, commended Obama in 2004 for “his call for an even-handed approach to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict,” code words for distancing the U.S. government from Israel.  [.......]

Abunimah also reveals that, starting in 2002, Obama toned down his anti-Israel rhetoric “as he planned his move from small-time Illinois politics to the national scene.” Obama made this explicit two years later, apologizing to Abunimah: “Hey, I’m sorry I haven’t said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I’m hoping when things calm down I can be more up front.”

And Obama dutifully tacked in the pro-Israel direction, if in a cramped and reluctant manner (“I have to deal with him every day,” he complained about Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu). He supported Israel in its 2008–2009 and 2012 wars with Hamas. His administration called the Goldstone Report “deeply flawed” and backed Israel at the United Nations with lobbying efforts, votes, and vetoes. Armaments flowed.  [.......] When Ankara canceled Israeli participation in the 2009 “Anatolian Eagle” air-force exercise, the U.S. government pulled out in solidarity. If Obama created crises over Israeli housing starts, he eventually allowed these to simmer down.

Returning to the present: Netanyahu’s likely reelection as Israeli prime minister this week will mean continuity of leadership in both countries. But that does not imply continuity in U.S.-Israel relations; after a decade of political positioning, Obama is now freed from reelection constraints and can finally express his early anti-Zionist views. Watch for a markedly worse tone from the second Obama administration toward the third Netanyahu government.

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I also predicted in September that “Israel’s troubles will really begin” should Obama win a second term. These troubles have begun; Jerusalem, brace for a rough four years.

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  1. waldensianspirit
    1 | January 23, 2013 2:10 pm

    If Obama could put an islamic water world to the west of Israel he would


  2. 2 | January 23, 2013 2:13 pm

    Rand Paul demolished Hillary Clinton!

    This is how you treat Democrats!


  3. lobo91
    3 | January 23, 2013 2:22 pm

    Looks like that whole “separation of church and state” thing doesn’t apply to Islam.

    U.S. Taxpayers Funding Program To “Promote The Rich Culture” Of Islam…

    A North Carolina congressman is denouncing the use of federal dollars to “promote the rich cultural heritage of Islamic civilizations.”

    Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) told Fox News that he was appalled by the hundreds of thousands of dollars used to fund the program through a National Endowment for the Humanities grant – calling it “wasting taxpayer money.”

    Jones was referring to the “Bridging Cultures Bookshelf: Muslim Journeys” program. The NEH program put dozens of books promoting the Islamic culture in more than 800 libraries in all 50 states. The program is funded by a $1.8 million grant.

    NEH Communications director Judy Havemann told Fox News the “Muslim Journeys Bookshelf” is funded by a grant from the Carnegie Corporation of New York. It was unclear how much taxpayer money was used to facilitate the project.

    She said the NEH is allowed, through legislation, to explore “comparative religion.”


  4. 4 | January 23, 2013 2:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Looks like that whole “separation of church and state” thing doesn’t apply to Islam.
    U.S. Taxpayers Funding Program To “Promote The Rich Culture” Of Islam…
    A North Carolina congressman is denouncing the use of federal dollars to “promote the rich cultural heritage of Islamic civilizations.”
    Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC) told Fox News that he was appalled by the hundreds of thousands of dollars used to fund the program through a National Endowment for the Humanities grant – calling it “wasting taxpayer money.”
    Jones was referring to the “Bridging Cultures Bookshelf: Muslim Journeys” program. The NEH program put dozens of books promoting the Islamic culture in more than 800 libraries in all 50 states. The program is funded by a $1.8 million grant.
    NEH Communications director Judy Havemann told Fox News the “Muslim Journeys Bookshelf” is funded by a grant from the Carnegie Corporation of New York. It was unclear how much taxpayer money was used to facilitate the project.
    She said the NEH is allowed, through legislation, to explore “comparative religion.”

    Are you stupid or something? That only applies to Jews and Christains!


  5. heysoos
    5 | January 23, 2013 2:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Rand Paul demolished Hillary Clinton!
    This is how you treat Democrats!

    squeeze the bitch, kick her ass, get her to blow and expose her piss poor leadership…she’ll survive…this BS about not seeing any request for security funds should be easy to back track..it’s take about ten minutes without all the posturing and wasted wordage


  6. 6 | January 23, 2013 2:24 pm

    Can I get a grant to place 800,000 copies of the Book of Mormon is school libraries across the country?


  7. MikeA
    7 | January 23, 2013 2:25 pm

    Remember, Obama is anti-zionist, not anti-semetic…

    //

    ( is that the talking point from the DNC? Want to make sure I got it right….)


  8. lobo91
    8 | January 23, 2013 2:26 pm

    Report: Morsi Implied Jews Control The American Media During Meeting With U.S. Senators…

    Last week in Cairo, seven U.S. senators had a highly contentious meeting with Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy during which the Muslim Brotherhood leader implied that he was the victim of an American media run by the Jews.

    Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) led a delegation last week to Egypt, Jordan, Israel, and Afghanistan that included Sens. Chris Coons (D-DE), Kelly Ayotte (R-NH), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and Kirsten Gilibrand (D-NY). Their stop in Cairo included a 90-minute meeting with Morsy that devolved into an uncomfortable set of exchanges as the senators pressed the Egyptian president to explain his 2010 comments describing Jews as “bloodsuckers who attack Palestinians” as well as “the descendants of apes and pigs.”

    After the meeting, McCain issued a statement saying that the senators “voiced our strong disapproval of statement” and that the senators and Morsy “had a constructive discussion on this subject.” Morsy’s spokesman issued a statement after the meeting saying that Morsy believed in religious freedom and “the need to distinguish between the Jewish religion, and those who belong to it, and violent actions against defenseless Palestinians.”

    But inside the meeting, the discussion over Morsy’s 2010 remarks was much more heated than either side publicly acknowledged afterwards, according to Coons. Addressing the comments was the first item on the senators’ agenda, and the discussion did not go well, he told The Cable in an interview.

    Yes, it’s clearly unfair of the “Jewish-controlled media” to print his actual words…
    //


  9. 9 | January 23, 2013 2:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    She said the NEH is allowed, through legislation, to explore “comparative religion.”

    “Comparative” religion where One religion is made to look holier and more pure. They used to call that proselytizing….


  10. 10 | January 23, 2013 2:26 pm

    I am in desperate need of an AR15 complete bolt carrier group. Anyone have one laying around?


  11. MikeA
    11 | January 23, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    Say its part of islamic outreach and it would be approved.


  12. 12 | January 23, 2013 2:27 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Rand Paul took off the gloves unlike the other Republican Senators. That is why they will never let him near the nomination. He speaks the truth and calls out BS. The apple fell far from the tree on this one.


  13. 13 | January 23, 2013 2:28 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    Not I. Sorry.


  14. waldensianspirit
    14 | January 23, 2013 2:28 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Can I get a grant to place 800,000 copies of the Book of Mormon is school libraries across the country?

    Are they green?


  15. 15 | January 23, 2013 2:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Rand Paul took off the gloves unlike the other Republican Senators. That is why they will never let him near the nomination. He speaks the truth and calls out BS. The apple fell far from the tree on this one.

    Si is he not much like his father?


  16. 16 | January 23, 2013 2:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I wonder when this program began?


  17. lobo91
    17 | January 23, 2013 2:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    She said the NEH is allowed, through legislation, to explore “comparative religion.”
    “Comparative” religion where One religion is made to look holier and more pure. They used to call that proselytizing….

    And of course, they have to make sure they treat Islamic claims as fact, while qualifying anything having to do with other religions as being something that its “followers believe.”


  18. 18 | January 23, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    Not at all. He’s very anti-Jihad. In fact, he’s probably the most anti-Islamist Senator. he’s the only one calling for cutting off the Islamic nations from aid. I have been pleasantly surprise by this.


  19. 19 | January 23, 2013 2:32 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I am in desperate need of an AR15 complete bolt carrier group. Anyone have one laying around?

    Oy. Good luck with that…


  20. lobo91
    20 | January 23, 2013 2:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Rand Paul took off the gloves unlike the other Republican Senators. That is why they will never let him near the nomination. He speaks the truth and calls out BS. The apple fell far from the tree on this one.

    Not that it will make any difference, in the end.

    The narrative has already been written. Hillary has “accepted responsibility” but is personally blameless. She never heard about any requests for additional security, but if they were made, it’s the House Republicans’ fault they weren’t acted on. Those responsible at State have been fired, but they actually just got new titles.

    Anything contrary will be dismissed as “partisan bickering” or a “witch hunt.”


  21. lobo91
    21 | January 23, 2013 2:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    Not at all. He’s very anti-Jihad. In fact, he’s probably the most anti-Islamist Senator. he’s the only one calling for cutting off the Islamic nations from aid. I have been pleasantly surprise by this.

    I’d prefer that they be cut off from food, but that’s just me.


  22. darkwords
    22 | January 23, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ 8 lobo91: That is the type of ignorance in Islam that Western leaders need to address.


  23. RIX
    23 | January 23, 2013 2:40 pm

    @ lobo91:
    The Dems are blaming the Republicns for reduced funding.
    Nothing was reduced.


  24. MikeA
    24 | January 23, 2013 2:40 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    Check the sportmans guide web site. Last night I checked, and they had BCG’s for sale. Might have to search by M-16 BCG or something similar.


  25. Alberta Oil Peon
    25 | January 23, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Get yourself a wood-burning stove. Free fuel!

    No kidding, seniors in England driven into “fuel poverty” by Britain’s insane adherence to “green energy solutions” have been stealing and burning library books for heat.


  26. lobo91
    26 | January 23, 2013 2:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    The Dems are blaming the Republicns for reduced funding.
    Nothing was reduced.

    Since the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in 4 years, it’s totally irrelevant anyway.


  27. RIX
    27 | January 23, 2013 2:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    The Dems are blaming the Republicns for reduced funding.
    Nothing was reduced.

    Since the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in 4 years, it’s totally irrelevant anyway.

    Exactly.


  28. RIX
    28 | January 23, 2013 2:47 pm

    Ros-Lehtinen is really making Hillary uncomfortable.


  29. 29 | January 23, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Egypt is working on that. After they get through trashing the already impoverished State, they won’t have the money tio import food. Hati on the Med…


  30. lobo91
    30 | January 23, 2013 2:48 pm

    And now Hillary is lying.

    The four officials whose “heads have rolled” are on “administrative leave.”

    That means they’re on paid vacation.


  31. lobo91
    31 | January 23, 2013 2:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Egypt is working on that. After they get through trashing the already impoverished State, they won’t have the money tio import food. Hati on the Med…

    They don’t need it. They know we’ll just give it to them, like we just did with a bunch of F-16s and tanks.


  32. lobo91
    32 | January 23, 2013 2:50 pm

    And here we go again with the budget lie.


  33. 33 | January 23, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’d prefer that they be cut off from food, but that’s just me.

    You are not alone.


  34. buzzsawmonkey
    34 | January 23, 2013 2:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Answered you on the other thread. Your comment came up; there’s a lag, sometimes. Thanks!


  35. 35 | January 23, 2013 2:54 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Probably true. On the previous thread, Buzzsawmi=onkey posted a link to a post of his on guns and need, taking down the arguement that you don’t “need an assault rifle”. It is funny, we give tanks and warplanes to Egypt, and don’t ask what they need them for. If they aren’t planning to eventually use them against Israel, what are they for? Are they planning on invading Algeria? Because with their budget, there is no way that they can project power as far away as Mali.


  36. heysoos
    36 | January 23, 2013 2:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Probably true. On the previous thread, Buzzsawmi=onkey posted a link to a post of his on guns and need, taking down the arguement that you don’t “need an assault rifle”. It is funny, we give tanks and warplanes to Egypt, and don’t ask what they need them for. If they aren’t planning to eventually use them against Israel, what are they for? Are they planning on invading Algeria? Because with their budget, there is no way that they can project power as far away as Mali.

    Libyan oil, right over their border


  37. 37 | January 23, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I saw that. Not a problem. That was an excellent takedown of one of the most potent pieces of propaganda the anti-gunners have out there. To someone who doesn’t know anything about guns or self-defense, any gun may seem to be “enough” gun. Of course that isn’t the case, or the police would be armed with .22 Derringers.


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | January 23, 2013 2:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It is funny, we give tanks and warplanes to Egypt, and don’t ask what they need them for.

    Gee, I wish I’d thought of that when I was writing the Tatler piece. Excellent!


  39. lobo91
    39 | January 23, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’d love to see Cuomo tell that woman in Georgia who emptied her .38 into an intruder that she doesn’t need more than 7 shots.

    What if there had been a second guy?


  40. buzzsawmonkey
    40 | January 23, 2013 3:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’d love to see Cuomo tell that woman in Georgia who emptied her .38 into an intruder that she doesn’t need more than 7 shots.

    You don’t need more than seven bullets to kill a deer, and the intruder was doubtless dear to somebody


  41. lobo91
    41 | January 23, 2013 3:02 pm

    Sherwood is about to make me vomit.


  42. Mars
    42 | January 23, 2013 3:03 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I am in desperate need of an AR15 complete bolt carrier group. Anyone have one laying around?

    I’ve found quite a few companies carrying them through a google search, but they run about 180-200


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | January 23, 2013 3:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Sherwood is about to make me vomit.

    Sheriff of Nottingham? Is that you?


  44. 44 | January 23, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Or three or four. When I am training my self-defense, I often posit three or four attackers for how the scenario would go down. Part of that is from past experience (I’ve been the victim of violent crime), but part of it is just common sense. Common Sense dictates that you want as large a gun as you are capable of handling in caliber, with as great a magazine capacity as you can support if you are the victim of violent crime. A gun is not amagic wand. You don’t wave it at the enemy and he just lies down. They get to fight back too. It’s in the rules


  45. Da_Beerfreak
    45 | January 23, 2013 3:04 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Egypt is working on that. After they get through trashing the already impoverished State, they won’t have the money tio import food. Hati on the Med…

    Sooner or later Egypt is going to make a grab for the Eastern Libyan oil fields.


  46. lobo91
    46 | January 23, 2013 3:05 pm

    Who knew Jabba the Hutt was a Muslim?

    Muslims Accuse Lego Of Racism Because Star Wars Toy Resembles A Mosque…

    Lego has been accused of racism by the Turkish community over a Star Wars toy allegedly depicting a mosque.

    The critics claim that the Jabba’s Palace model, part of Lego’s Star Wars range, offends Muslims as it resembles the Hagia Sophia mosque in Istanbul – one of the world’s most renowned mosques.

    Members of the Turkish Cultural Community of Austria group also accused the toy manufacturer of depicting Asians as having ‘deceitful and criminal personalities’.

    The group has released a statement calling for an apology from Lego for its cultural insensitivity.

    The Lego set is based on the home of Jabba the Hutt, a central character in the Star Wars series, who lives in a domed palace, with a separated watchtower.

    As well as bearing a likeness to the Hagia Sophia mosque, the Turkish group also claimed the toy takes its design from the Jami al-Kabir mosque in Beirut – while the watchtower is said to resemble a minaret.


  47. lobo91
    47 | January 23, 2013 3:11 pm

    Dana Rohrbacher is going off script.

    Let’s see how Hillary worms her way out of this one.

    Never mind. She just lied.


  48. RIX
    48 | January 23, 2013 3:11 pm

    The way the Dem Congressman are dealing wit Hillary is now
    bordering on adultrey.
    These are sloppy kisses & licks.


  49. lobo91
    49 | January 23, 2013 3:11 pm

    And another tongue bath…


  50. lobo91
    50 | January 23, 2013 3:13 pm

    And here we go again blaming the House for cutting funding.


  51. darkwords
    51 | January 23, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ 30 lobo91: So the liberal buck never stops on a liberal leaders desk. Some poor pawn is made to carry their errors from inexperience. Hilary is not qualified to lead in a dangerous world. She kissed up to assad and wanted a reset. result. Dead in benghazi an Algeria.


  52. AZfederalist
    52 | January 23, 2013 3:14 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I am in desperate need of an AR15 complete bolt carrier group. Anyone have one laying around?

    Have you tried Brownells?


  53. lobo91
    53 | January 23, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ darkwords:

    She isn’t qualified to lead a Girl Scout cookie sale.


  54. RIX
    54 | January 23, 2013 3:15 pm

    Rep Meeks D-NY is rambling & now asking Hillarys advice
    on how to deal with the nations of the Arab Spring.
    Bet that the answer is more money.


  55. darkwords
    55 | January 23, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ 46 lobo91: Might as well ban potatos then also. All potatos look like mosques, especially when you step on them and the little korans turn into useless bugs.


  56. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | January 23, 2013 3:17 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Might as well ban potatos then also. All potatos look like mosques, especially when you step on them and the little korans turn into useless bugs.

    Plus, potatoes taken in excess have been known to cause the terrible affliction of First-Lady Ass™.


  57. lobo91
    57 | January 23, 2013 3:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Rep Meeks D-NY is rambling & now asking Hillarys advice
    on how to deal with the nations of the Arab Spring.
    Bet that the answer is more money.

    Of course it is.

    Just don’t mention the fact that the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in 4 years.


  58. lobo91
    58 | January 23, 2013 3:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    Might as well ban potatos then also. All potatos look like mosques, especially when you step on them and the little korans turn into useless bugs.
    Plus, potatoes taken in excess have been known to cause the terrible affliction of First-Lady Ass™.

    And potatoes are grown in Idaho, which we all know is inhabited by bitter clingers.


  59. RIX
    59 | January 23, 2013 3:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Rep Meeks D-NY is rambling & now asking Hillarys advice
    on how to deal with the nations of the Arab Spring.
    Bet that the answer is more money.

    Of course it is.

    Just don’t mention the fact that the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in 4 years.

    That would probably be racist. Everything is racist.


  60. lobo91
    60 | January 23, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ RIX:

    Of course it is. Anything that questions the expertise of Obama or any of his underlings is racist.


  61. 61 | January 23, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hey, they may pass one this year. We’ll see. They are talking about maybe passing a budget. It’ll be for Eleventy Trillion Dollars, if they pass one, though.


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    62 | January 23, 2013 3:26 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    They are talking about maybe passing a budget.

    “Budget” is to Obama and to Reid as “kidney stone” is to ordinary people.


  63. lobo91
    63 | January 23, 2013 3:27 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Hey, they may pass one this year. We’ll see. They are talking about maybe passing a budget. It’ll be for Eleventy Trillion Dollars, if they pass one, though.

    And it’ll be for next year.


  64. darkwords
    64 | January 23, 2013 3:27 pm

    If I was at the whitehose watching Benghazi, I would just have asked the folks on the ground what they wanted to do and given them all the support I could muster quickly. I wouldn’t have fiddled my violin try to think what would preserve my political image best.


  65. lobo91
    65 | January 23, 2013 3:28 pm

    Hey, it’s Joe Wilson of SC.

    Too bad he didn’t start off by repeating his famous line…


  66. lobo91
    66 | January 23, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Hillary said that there was no real-time video of the attack.


  67. buzzsawmonkey
    67 | January 23, 2013 3:29 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    If I was at the whitehose watching Benghazi, I would just have asked the folks on the ground what they wanted to do and given them all the support I could muster quickly. I wouldn’t have fiddled my violin try to think what would preserve my political image best.

    Curious, isn’t it, that Dr. Drone Strike’s ever-ready hand was miraculously paralyzed into inaction on that fateful night?


  68. buzzsawmonkey
    68 | January 23, 2013 3:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Hillary said that there was no real-time video of the attack.

    She also said she was “taking responsibility,” while squirming like a silverfish to evade it.


  69. darkwords
    69 | January 23, 2013 3:30 pm

    At Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi hearing at the House this afternoon, Democratic congressman Eliot Engel said that “Barack Obama was not responsible for the Benghazi attack any more than George W. Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks”:

    The guy is a moron.

    O had more real time intelligence that all the presidents before him together. And he muffed it. Inexperience.

    Hilary looks like she is wearing Larry Flynt glasses.


  70. 70 | January 23, 2013 3:30 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Wouldn’t want to offend al Qaeda in Libya, after all. They might assassinate our Ambassador or something… 8O


  71. darkwords
    71 | January 23, 2013 3:31 pm

    @ lobo91: I would be ok with audio also.


  72. lobo91
    72 | January 23, 2013 3:34 pm

    This whole thing is an absurd sham.

    Hillary just broke out into a big grin when the next questioner was announnced, since it’s another idiot Dem.

    She could at least pretend to take this show seriously. I guess Bill never gave her any acting lessons.


  73. darkwords
    73 | January 23, 2013 3:34 pm

    Dana Loesch ‏@DLoesch
    Caller says at routine doc visit yesterday they asked a million questions to see if he owned firearms. #dlrs

    You know if the doctor asks me about guns in my annual check up. I’m going to tell him I have 6 AK-47s and about 10,000 rounds, a dozen grenades, and two claymore mines from vietnam.

    I’ll say “Doc don’t tell anyone, but….”


  74. heysoos
    74 | January 23, 2013 3:35 pm

    your hard earned tax dollars at work…dead peopled followed weeks later with a nice clown show…I hate these people


  75. darkwords
    75 | January 23, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ 72 lobo91: Does she ever wear a blue dress?


  76. Da_Beerfreak
    76 | January 23, 2013 3:37 pm

    Obama only acts on those items that will prove to be of political advantage to him. Everything and everybody else is irrelevant.


  77. lobo91
    77 | January 23, 2013 3:39 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 72 lobo91: Does she ever wear a blue dress?

    I don’t think she owns any dresses.


  78. lobo91
    78 | January 23, 2013 3:43 pm

    This is going to go well:

    Leon Panetta lifts ban on women serving in combat

    Senior defense officials say Pentagon chief Leon Panetta is removing the military’s ban on women serving in combat, opening hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and potentially elite commando jobs after more than a decade at war.

    The groundbreaking move recommended by the Joint Chiefs of Staff overturns a 1994 rule prohibiting women from being assigned to smaller ground combat units. Panetta’s decision gives the military services until January 2016 to seek special exceptions if they believe any positions must remain closed to women.

    A senior military official says the services will develop plans for allowing women to seek the combat positions. Some jobs may open as soon as this year. Assessments for others, such as special operations forces, including Navy SEALS and the Army’s Delta Force, may take longer.

    The official said the military chiefs must report back to Panetta with their initial implementation plans by May 15. The announcement on Panetta’s decision is not expected until Thursday, so the official spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Panetta’s move expands the Pentagon’s action nearly a year ago to open about 14,500 combat positions to women, nearly all of them in the Army. This decision could open more than 230,000 jobs, many in Army and Marine infantry units, to women.


  79. 79 | January 23, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Because women are just like men, especially in areas like physical strength. Put a five-foot nothing girl on an M-240, and let her tote that bad boy around with ammunition. Because women are just like men… :roll:


  80. 80 | January 23, 2013 3:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    This will make many service woman as rape victims as well. If we every have to fight the Chinese and they see women prisoners, I dread the thought.


  81. buzzsawmonkey
    81 | January 23, 2013 3:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Leon Panetta lifts ban on women serving in combat

    Well, that’s one way to keep the military birthrate down without resorting to abortion.


  82. 82 | January 23, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The object of this is to get women killed in combat on the notion that Americans will hate war more for seeing women killed. These women are nothing but cannon fodder to the anti-war movement. That they won’t be physically up to the job just makes it more likley that they’ll be killed, and thus serve in their real mission.


  83. buzzsawmonkey
    83 | January 23, 2013 3:57 pm

    It is Father Christmas who tells Susan and Lucy that, although he has given them weapons, they are not supposed to fight in the battle. Lucy objects, saying “I think – I don’t know – but I think I could be brave enough.” But Father Christmas tells her that “battles are ugly when women fight”

    —from a summary/excerpt of “The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe”


  84. lobo91
    84 | January 23, 2013 3:57 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Because women are just like men, especially in areas like physical strength. Put a five-foot nothing girl on an M-240, and let her tote that bad boy around with ammunition. Because women are just like men…

    I’d rather watch one try to change tracks on an M1.


  85. 85 | January 23, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Thanks to nation building most Americans hate war already. This will be the icing on the cake.

    Plus when rapes occur, that really will demoralize.


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | January 23, 2013 4:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Thanks to nation building most Americans hate war already.

    Thanks to replacing the War Department with the “Defense Department,” most Americans have no concept of victory.


  87. 87 | January 23, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Plus we no longer declare war, either.


  88. buzzsawmonkey
    88 | January 23, 2013 4:04 pm

    The Giant Vagina Camouflage will be very interesting on the battlefield.


  89. 89 | January 23, 2013 4:06 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Plus we no longer declare war, either.

    That would take commitment, and we don’t do that anymore, either.


  90. Speranza
    90 | January 23, 2013 4:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Rand Paul demolished Hillary Clinton!
    This is how you treat Democrats!

    Bravo Rand Paul!


  91. Speranza
    91 | January 23, 2013 4:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Thanks to nation building most Americans hate war already.

    Thanks to replacing the War Department with the “Defense Department,” most Americans have no concept of victory.

    Interesting observation. The War Department was what it was called during the Civil War.


  92. 92 | January 23, 2013 4:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Rand Paul demolished Hillary Clinton!
    This is how you treat Democrats!

    Her body language is very interesting to watch. The way she adjusts her glasses when Rand Paul says ‘I’m glad you are taking responsibility,’ and when after he says ‘I would have relieved you of your duty’ and she smirks and pretends to flip through and read pages in her binder, which she does a couple of times. It tells a lot.


  93. RIX
    93 | January 23, 2013 4:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Of course it is. Anything that questions the expertise of Obama or any of his underlings is racist.

    Amen.


  94. Speranza
    94 | January 23, 2013 4:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Because women are just like men, especially in areas like physical strength. Put a five-foot nothing girl on an M-240, and let her tote that bad boy around with ammunition. Because women are just like men…

    I used to see female cops in NYC who were so small that I felt as if I had to protect them.


  95. Speranza
    95 | January 23, 2013 4:13 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Her body language is very interesting to watch. The way she adjusts her glasses when Rand Paul says ‘I’m glad you are taking responsibility,’ and when after he says ‘I would have relieved you of your duty’ and she smirks and pretends to flip through and read pages in her binder, which she does a couple of times. It tells a lot.

    I really dislike that woman and her husband.


  96. 96 | January 23, 2013 4:15 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    He got under her skin. Rand Paul is a marked man now. The Democrats, The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex and the GOP Establishment will not set out to destroy him.


  97. Speranza
    97 | January 23, 2013 4:15 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    At Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi hearing at the House this afternoon, Democratic congressman Eliot Engel said that “Barack Obama was not responsible for the Benghazi attack any more than George W. Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks”:

    The guy is a moron.

    O had more real time intelligence that all the presidents before him together. And he muffed it. Inexperience.
    Hilary looks like she is wearing Larry Flynt glasses.

    To show you how bad the New York/New York City congressional delegation is, Eliot Engel is one of the smartest ones.


  98. 98 | January 23, 2013 4:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I used to see female cops in NYC who were so small that I felt as if I had to protect them.

    I see male cops about my size. I’m 5’4″.


  99. 99 | January 23, 2013 4:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Bravo Rand Paul!

    I voted for Rand Paul reluctantly, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised. He’s definitely not his father….


  100. Speranza
    100 | January 23, 2013 4:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    He got under her skin. Rand Paul is a marked man now. The Democrats, The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex and the GOP Establishment will not set out to destroy him.

    They will have him in their sights just as they did Allen West and Scott Brown. However Kentucky is not Florida or Massachusetts.


  101. Speranza
    101 | January 23, 2013 4:17 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Bravo Rand Paul!

    I voted for Rand Paul reluctantly, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised. He’s definitely not his father….

    Me too, I was not thrilled with Rand Paul in the beginning because of who his father is but he has been a most pleasant surprise.


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    102 | January 23, 2013 4:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The War Department was what it was called during the Civil War.

    Up to the Korean War. The “Department of Defense” came into being in 1949.


  103. RIX
    103 | January 23, 2013 4:18 pm

    These Dem Congressman are mourning the deaths in Benghazi &
    shmoozing Hillary.
    WTF? We know they’re dead, we don’t need an autopsy.
    We know how they died, the question is why.


  104. Speranza
    104 | January 23, 2013 4:18 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I used to see female cops in NYC who were so small that I felt as if I had to protect them.

    I see male cops about my size. I’m 5’4″.

    Yes there are some pint sized male cops. I always thought you were around 5′ 6″. (For the record we have met several times).


  105. buzzsawmonkey
    105 | January 23, 2013 4:19 pm

    RIX wrote:

    These Dem Congressman are mourning the deaths in Benghazi

    It’s mourning in America!


  106. unclassifiable
    106 | January 23, 2013 4:20 pm

    So in the end Hillary may or may not have sunk any potential run for the Presidency. She wasn’t gonna run anyway because, let’s face it, this Executive Branch experience of working for someone that should be fetching you coffeee really sucks. But Soros and the boys will pay her off handsomely. The One will be protected. And somebody who can be more sympathetic to the realities of dealing with AQ and MB will be the SOS.

    Problem solved by catboxing. Any questions?


  107. RIX
    107 | January 23, 2013 4:21 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    These Dem Congressman are mourning the deaths in Benghazi

    It’s mourning in America!

    But they’re lovin on Hillary.


  108. 108 | January 23, 2013 4:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    He got under her skin. Rand Paul is a marked man now. The Democrats, The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex and the GOP Establishment will not set out to destroy him.

    Yes. And you’re right, Rand Paul showed exactly how the Democrats should be handled. I would have loved to seen Allen West take her to the woodshed on this as well.


  109. 109 | January 23, 2013 4:23 pm

    @ Speranza:
    The small cops are dispatched to my area, a hipster zone. The big para-military type cops are stationed in the war zones in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx.


  110. 110 | January 23, 2013 4:27 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I see male cops about my size. I’m 5’4″.

    Cops are one thing, but I think firemen are a more apt comparison; to my knowledge, women are just not eligible due to inherent physical size and strength.


  111. 111 | January 23, 2013 4:27 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Speranza:

    He’s the most anti-Islamist Senator. I am really disappointed in Rubio who has become a shill for McCain. He was very anti-Islamist when he was in Florida politics. Now he’s just a Nation Builder.


  112. 112 | January 23, 2013 4:28 pm

    Veteran Stands Up For 2nd Amendment At Chicago Anti-Gun Forum

    Footage from a “Guns and Public Safety Forum” hosted by the New Trier (IL) Democrats on January 20, 2013. A veteran rose to address speakers and defend First and Second Amendments.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/01/veteran-stands-up-for-2nd-amendment-at-chicago-anti-gun-forum/


  113. 113 | January 23, 2013 4:29 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    And somebody who can be more sympathetic to the realities of dealing with AQ and MB will be the SOS.

    It would have been the same if Romney had won. Both parties suck in foreign policy and support the Muslim Brotherhood. That is why outside of Rand Paul, I do not take the GOP serious anymore.


  114. 114 | January 23, 2013 4:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    @ Speranza:

    He’s the most anti-Islamist Senator. I am really disappointed in Rubio who has become a shill for McCain. He was very anti-Islamist when he was in Florida politics. Now he’s just a Nation Builder.

    Paul has also been quite deft and misstep-free, particularly for a freshman senator. He’s got a weird manner about him, but he’s smart as a whip.


  115. 115 | January 23, 2013 4:34 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    He’s got a weird manner about him, but he’s smart as a whip.

    There is something a little odd about him but I can’t quite put my finger on it. He appears to have a set of brass balls, and that I do like.


  116. 116 | January 23, 2013 4:34 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    The Hipsters are an evil bunch.


  117. 117 | January 23, 2013 4:35 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    He speaks the truth, which is why I fear for his political future.


  118. Speranza
    118 | January 23, 2013 4:36 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The small cops are dispatched to my area, a hipster zone. The big para-military type cops are stationed in the war zones in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx.

    Yeah in your hipster zone the biggest danger is having a hot latte spilled on you.


  119. unclassifiable
    119 | January 23, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Don’t you think those anti-gun weenies were beginning they wish they had a gun or two to make those gunners shut up?


  120. 120 | January 23, 2013 4:38 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    There is something a little odd about him but I can’t quite put my finger on it. He appears to have a set of brass balls, and that I do like.

    Yeah, I think he’d enjoy the role of a pit-bull; he’d make a good VP candidate.


  121. Speranza
    121 | January 23, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Check the headline
    Donald Trump wants The New York Times


  122. unclassifiable
    122 | January 23, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I thought Romney was getting foreign policy advice from John Bolton.


  123. 123 | January 23, 2013 4:41 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yet they are the most dangerous force in politics today. We can laugh and mock them, but they have power and clout.


  124. Speranza
    124 | January 23, 2013 4:41 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    There is something a little odd about him but I can’t quite put my finger on it. He appears to have a set of brass balls, and that I do like.

    Yeah, I think he’d enjoy the role of a pit-bull; he’d make a good VP candidate.

    In retrospect, Paul Ryan was not the best V.P. candidate we could have nominated. Too wonkish and he treated Biden with way too much undeserved respect.


  125. Speranza
    125 | January 23, 2013 4:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yet they are the most dangerous force in politics today. We can laugh and mock them, but they have power and clout.

    And their votes count.


  126. Speranza
    126 | January 23, 2013 4:42 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I thought Romney was getting foreign policy advice from John Bolton.

    Bolton but several others too.


  127. 127 | January 23, 2013 4:42 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I thought Romney was getting foreign policy advice from John Bolton.

    Bolton lost credibility with me when he supported Obama going into Libya. He was also pushing for us to invade Syria and help al-Qaeda. I do not take him serious.

    The Republican foreign policy is a joke.


  128. 128 | January 23, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The Republican party needs to dump their foreign policy establishment. They should take advise from ex military people and not academic theorists who live in a fantasy. Then again, the GOP is just a national joke at this point. A bunch of Eunuchs and Court Jesters for God-King Obama.


  129. 129 | January 23, 2013 4:45 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Even worse, they are at the core of the Progressive Movement. That is the Democrat’s Party base.


  130. unclassifiable
    130 | January 23, 2013 4:49 pm

    Read this and remember this is Wiki who is thought to be biased to the left.

    Of note, please see the section on “Youth Activism”.

    Anyone who beleives that there is not any link between AQ and MB is more full of sh*t than a Christmas Turkey. AQ is the militant arm of MB just like the IRA is the militant arm of Sein Fein.

    To me, disavowal of this fact is willful bordering on treasonous.


  131. Da_Beerfreak
    131 | January 23, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    One has to wonder how much he learned from his Dad and how much is his own skill in his ability to navigate around the DC minefields.


  132. Speranza
    132 | January 23, 2013 4:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Even worse, they are at the core of the Progressive Movement. That is the Democrat’s Party base.

    We have to start chipping away rather then throwing up our hands in defeat and giving up. By the way Romney won the white vote of 18-29 year olds.


  133. Speranza
    133 | January 23, 2013 4:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Bolton lost credibility with me when he supported Obama going into Libya. He was also pushing for us to invade Syria and help al-Qaeda. I do not take him serious.

    The Republican foreign policy is a joke.

    I am getting tired of John Bolton going on Greta van Sustern’s show urging Israel to do a suicide strike on Iran.


  134. 134 | January 23, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ unclassifiable:
    The IRGC, Hezballah, Hamas, the MB and AQ are all branches of the evil tree of Islam.


  135. unclassifiable
    135 | January 23, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That is shocking to me and disappointing. It just goes to show it take many eyes to see the whole picture.

    Bolton was a man who threatened to pull us out of the UN (a good move IMHO) so hearing this is showing that he is out of touch with the reality on the ground.

    Then again, most libs and so-called conservative were having kittens over his UN withdrawal threat.


  136. 136 | January 23, 2013 5:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Check the headline
    Donald Trump wants The New York Times

    I so love the idea of Donald Trump buying the NYT. He’s a buffoon sometimes, but he’s our buffoon [NY's, that is] but sometimes he’s a real hoot.


  137. 137 | January 23, 2013 5:04 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    One has to wonder how much he learned from his Dad and how much is his own skill in his ability to navigate around the DC minefields.

    I’ve no doubt that dad has been an invaluable resource.


  138. unclassifiable
    139 | January 23, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Well they all are facets of Islamic Fascism but the MB/AQ relationship has both a lineal and philisophical link that would be hard to deny with just a perusal of some very basic facts.


  139. Speranza
    140 | January 23, 2013 5:08 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Check the headline
    Donald Trump wants The New York Times

    I so love the idea of Donald Trump buying the NYT. He’s a buffoon sometimes, but he’s our buffoon [NY's, that is] but sometimes he’s a real hoot.

    He does fight back, unlike the Republican Establishment.


  140. 141 | January 23, 2013 5:09 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Well they all are facets of Islamic Fascism but the MB/AQ relationship has both a lineal and philisophical link that would be hard to deny with just a perusal of some very basic facts.

    Al Qaeda is actually a documented Militant arm of the Muslim Brotherhood.


  141. buzzsawmonkey
    142 | January 23, 2013 5:09 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    What is the Truth? Is Obama’s soft Marxist Coup turning Hard?

    Easy way to find out. If Bill Ayers has jizzed his pants, the answer is “yes.”


  142. AZfederalist
    143 | January 23, 2013 5:10 pm

    @ Speranza:

    And their votes count.

    Sometimes two or three times.


  143. 144 | January 23, 2013 5:14 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    What is the Truth? Is Obama’s soft Marxist Coup turning Hard?
    Easy way to find out. If Bill Ayers has jizzed his pants, the answer is “yes.”

    Click the link… It’s far worse than you think…


  144. Da_Beerfreak
    145 | January 23, 2013 5:14 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    What is the Truth? Is Obama’s soft Marxist Coup turning Hard?

    Is there really any doubt anymore that Obama’s minions are looking for a fight.


  145. 146 | January 23, 2013 5:15 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    What is the Truth? Is Obama’s soft Marxist Coup turning Hard?

    What is the Law?


  146. eaglesoars
    147 | January 23, 2013 5:15 pm

    Has anyone postedthis yet?

    two U.S. officials in Israel quietly conceded that President Obama’s statements to Atlantic columnist Jeffrey Goldberg were an intentional effort to hurt Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu in the election.

    The statements at issue were revealed in an article Goldberg wrote for Bloomberg on January 14. That article, the headline of which was, “Obama: Israel Doesn’t Know What its Best Interests Are,” was filled with insider dish from Goldberg, and it was ugly.


  147. 148 | January 23, 2013 5:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Easy way to find out. If Bill Ayers has jizzed his pants, the answer is “yes.”

    Bill Ayers’ frustration that Obama hasn’t gone quite far enough might be closer to the truth.


  148. Da_Beerfreak
    149 | January 23, 2013 5:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Saw that over at Free Republic earlier, but not around here.


  149. 150 | January 23, 2013 5:24 pm

    Prog Poetry Corner:

    Anyone else catch this in the all of the grotesquerie that was the inauguration bacchanal? You’ll need to click on the link and just see this guy’s face before you read it. Or play the video.

    For Barack Obama: his second inauguration

    First off, hearty congratulations
    on having the backing of the nation
    over Romney. It looks like “Mitt” is short
    for intermittent, or something of that sort.
    Second, “inauguration” is a word
    that conjures up “divination by birds,”
    Romans who tried to break the code
    of what hens’ entrails might forebode.
    As for the forecast I deliver?
    Don’t be chicken-hearted! Don’t be chicken-livered!
    I must admit I’m hesitant
    to bend the ear of a President
    for whom I have so much more time
    than almost any of the dime-
    a-dozen politicians
    we track by their shifting positions
    as targets may be tracked by drones.
    In Congress as in combat zones
    we point to the foundation stone
    of plain accountability.
    To defend ambiguity
    or doubt is not to defend Doublespeak.
    Let’s not mistake “mist” for “mystique”
    or good old “blah” for the “oblique.”
    Let’s interrogate the data
    on trade embargos, blocking betas,
    genetically modified corn
    that never falls among thorns.
    Where I come from, I’ll have you know,
    we not only reap what we sow
    but we’re also inclined to keep
    some back for sowing what we’ve reaped.
    Although I’m not long off the boat
    I am a citizen. I vote.
    And now I’ve voted twice for you
    because I think you’re mostly true
    to your word. When you claimed to put an end
    to “extreme rendition” you meant to send
    a message to those who sell us short
    by treating water boarding as a sport.
    Now you’ve secured a second term
    you must again stand firm
    against internment without trial.
    You’d have to be in deep denial
    not to lie awake at night
    thinking of the historically “black” sites
    in or around Mogadishu
    and hoping such issues
    will just go away. The debt ceiling
    seems much higher when you’re kneeling
    for hours with your arms outstretched
    like an orange-suited Christus Rex.
    As for the congressmen who’ve loused
    up the Senate and the House,
    our representatives who represent
    little more than giving vent
    to the mutterings of the mob,
    have them all watch Inside Job.
    Don’t shy away from executive action
    when it comes to dealing with a faction
    that’s up mostly for shutting something down.
    Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown
    unless you look to Mr. Putin
    for ways to (gently) put the boot in.
    They’ve got their work cut out for them,
    those reps (and I mean Reps and Dems),
    who preach state-building, nationhood,
    the selfless seeking after good
    to every warlord in the Stans,
    the Taiwanese, the Taliban,
    but cannot bring themselves to run
    a country now under the gun
    with any of that self-same zeal.
    It’s no bad thing we’ve been revealed
    to be fit merely to muster
    the strength to fudge and filibuster,
    no bad thing democracy is found
    wanting, that our moral high ground
    has run out with the fiscal cliff,
    no bad thing we may no longer sniff
    at other nations’ moral faults
    now we’ve shown ourselves to exalt
    “enhanced interrogation,” q.v.,
    of our “high value” detainees.
    Truth-twisting is our Trojan horse.
    Now haute couture and torture are outsourced
    perhaps we won’t ourselves feel forced
    to teach the world how to behave
    by sending in wave after wave
    of troops. For if you must launch an assault
    you might think of calling a halt
    to letting school kids make their day
    despite the response of the NRA
    being semi-automatic.
    Though poets aren’t now seen as vatic,
    not seen as Roman soothsayers or seers,
    I predict you’ll engineer
    the downfall of those who plot
    against you and take potshots
    against your genuine attempts
    to educate those who think they’re exempt
    from anything that smacks of duty.
    In the meantime, leave Djibouti
    to its own devices. Try to cut short
    the urge to sort
    out the world’s problems. As for “ground support,”
    forget the far-flung lords and serfs
    and take more care of our home turf.
    On the subject of doom and gloom
    the elephant in the room,
    of course, is that room for the elephant
    above the rising tide’s almost as scant
    as the attention paid to global warming.
    That’s where healthcare needs reforming!
    Unless it’s a full-throated apology
    to the Choctaw or the Cree
    don’t codename anything “Geronimo.”
    Open Cuba. Close Guantanamo
    unless you want to see the stocks
    fall about your hands and lock,
    unless you think it cool
    to expose yourself to ridicule
    and set yourself in the ducking-stool,
    unless you want a pillory
    as your bequest. If you do bring out the artillery,
    position it behind Hillary!


  150. buzzsawmonkey
    151 | January 23, 2013 5:25 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Bill Ayers’ frustration that Obama hasn’t gone quite far enough might be closer to the truth.

    Obama has four years in which to make his mentor happy.


  151. 152 | January 23, 2013 5:26 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Is there really any doubt anymore that Obama’s minions are looking for a fight.

    Chaos and outrage is his friend; he’s refracting reaction to each topic and dispersing it while moving on to the next topic thus not allowing his opponents to focus on any single thing for any appreciable period of time.

    It’s been pretty effective and the media is, as always, participatory.


  152. Da_Beerfreak
    153 | January 23, 2013 5:31 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Is there really any doubt anymore that Obama’s minions are looking for a fight.

    Chaos and outrage is his friend; he’s refracting reaction to each topic and dispersing it while moving on to the next topic thus not allowing his opponents to focus on any single thing for any appreciable period of time.

    It’s been pretty effective and the media is, as always, participatory.

    Hardly a day goes by without Obama or one of his minions starting a new fire.


  153. buzzsawmonkey
    154 | January 23, 2013 5:34 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    What a piece of shit.


  154. 155 | January 23, 2013 5:35 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Hardly a day goes by without Obama or one of his minions starting a new fire.

    It’s like living on the approach of a major airport, eventually you don’t even hear ‘em.


  155. 157 | January 23, 2013 5:37 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”

    Covered in my post 138… :razz:


  156. 158 | January 23, 2013 5:37 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Oh, I don’t know -- Nebraska just lobbed the Keystone Pipeline back in his lap. And somehow I doubt the NRA, SAF, et al are going to be distracted, either.

    Hubris has a bad track record…


  157. 159 | January 23, 2013 5:38 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    What a piece of shit.

    I know. Couldn’t make it 15 words into the video. Did you take a look at him?


  158. 160 | January 23, 2013 5:39 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”

    That story has been intriguing me for a couple of days now. I’m concerned, however, that it’s origin is Alex Jones.


  159. 161 | January 23, 2013 5:39 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    d in my post 138… :razz:

    I did see that. It’s like we are going as quietly as sheep.


  160. AZfederalist
    162 | January 23, 2013 5:40 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    So, was there a coherent thought in there? I got about thirty lines into it and gave up. Bunch of new age psychobabble tripe from a communist deranged statist who calls himself a poet.


  161. heysoos
    163 | January 23, 2013 5:41 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”

    I call bullshit


  162. 164 | January 23, 2013 5:42 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”

    That story has been intriguing me for a couple of days now. I’m concerned, however, that it’s origin is Alex Jones.

    It’s origin IS NOT Alex Jones.


  163. buzzsawmonkey
    165 | January 23, 2013 5:42 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I know. Couldn’t make it 15 words into the video. Did you take a look at him?

    Well, the mop of Hipster Genius Hair was pretty stupid looking. I note that he’s at Princeton, which also pays Cornel West to foul young minds. They seem to have a thing for bad hair at Princeton.

    As a sometime versifier—and on political topics, too—I’d have to say that his poetry, in this instance at least, is really bad. He’s clever with words the way the Coen Brothers are clever with film shots; lots of razzle-dazzle with no soul to back it up. Also, his voice is drearily soporific—but, since he sports a British Isles accent (Irish, in this case), that merely indicates to proggies that they are in the Presence of a Genuine Intellect.


  164. 166 | January 23, 2013 5:43 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    however, that it’s origin is Alex Jones

    I know. I thought the same thing.


  165. buzzsawmonkey
    167 | January 23, 2013 5:43 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    So, was there a coherent thought in there? I got about thirty lines into it and gave up. Bunch of new age psychobabble tripe from a communist deranged statist who calls himself a poet.

    Basically, it’s “Go, Obama! Stick it to the Republicans, use executive orders, and close Gitmo!” tricked out with a lot of wordplay to impress the rubes.


  166. lobo91
    168 | January 23, 2013 5:48 pm

    US-Backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas Claims Zionists Collaborated With The Nazis…

    Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas claimed Zionists collaborated with the Nazis during a recent interview with a Hezbollah-linked television station, raising concerns among Western experts that Abbas is resorting to anti-Semitic tropes in order to sure up support from his extremist governing coalition.

    “I challenge anyone to deny the relationship between Zionism and Nazism before World War II,” Abbas said during an interview with Al-Mayadeen, a Beirut television station reputed to have ties to Hezbollah and Iran.

    Abbas, who is viewed by the Obama administration and other Western nations as the voice of Palestinian moderation, went on to claim he has “70 more books that I still haven’t published” about the supposed collaboration between Jewish leaders and Nazis.


  167. Da_Beerfreak
    169 | January 23, 2013 5:49 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Hardly a day goes by without Obama or one of his minions starting a new fire.

    It’s like living on the approach of a major airport, eventually you don’t even hear ‘em.

    :lol: I live about half a mile from a major regional airport and it’s true, you do stop hearing them after a while. :lol:


  168. citizen_q
    170 | January 23, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    I have heard about this story the other day. Not sure what to make of it since it is sourced from prison planet. Is there a corroborating second source?


  169. 171 | January 23, 2013 5:50 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    This is true. But the implication is that it’s a direct question, and on that, I’ll have to call bullshit as well. Way too risky for a clever politician.


  170. heysoos
    173 | January 23, 2013 5:50 pm

    the moon is made out of mozzarella and I’m a talking pizza


  171. heysoos
    174 | January 23, 2013 5:52 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I challenge Abbas to support his blowage


  172. Da_Beerfreak
    175 | January 23, 2013 5:53 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Oh, I don’t know — Nebraska just lobbed the Keystone Pipeline back in his lap. And somehow I doubt the NRA, SAF, et al are going to be distracted, either.

    Hubris has a bad track record…

    I love it when other Folks are starting fires on their own to get Buttcrack Obama’s attention. :twisted:


  173. buzzsawmonkey
    176 | January 23, 2013 5:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I know someone—a “journalist” of sorts—who was blabbing some shit of this nature about a year ago. I told him that he was full of it; to the extent there was “a relationship between Nazis and the Yishuv, it was a matter of the Yishuv’s efforts to get Jews out of Germany while the Nazis were willing to let them go. That hardly constitutes “a relationship”—or, if it does, it is a wholly laudable one, and one far different from, say, the Mufti being Hitler’s guest, a recruiter for the Waffen SS, and a cheerleader for the Final Solution.


  174. Da_Beerfreak
    177 | January 23, 2013 5:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”

    I call bullshit

    I wouldn’t put it past him to do something like this; time will tell one way or the other.


  175. 178 | January 23, 2013 5:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The Perfect Gift For The Obamabot Who Has It All: Painting Of A Nude Obama Feeding His Unicorn Pancakes…
    Umm…

    As soon as you can get me impeccable confirmation that hell has indeed frozen over, I’ll consider clicking on that link.

    Okay, not really.


  176. buzzsawmonkey
    179 | January 23, 2013 5:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I call bullshit

    Your call is very important to us. Please stay on the line and it will be answered by the first available operator.
    Your call is very important to us. Please stay on the line and it will be answered by the first available operator.
    Your call is very important to us. Please stay on the line and it will be answered by the first available operator.
    Your call is very important to us. Please stay on the line and it will be answered by the first available operator.
    Your call is very important to us. Please stay on the line and it will be answered by the first available operator.


  177. heysoos
    181 | January 23, 2013 6:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    wot?…you sound exactly like her!…is that your day job?


  178. 182 | January 23, 2013 6:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The Perfect Gift For The Obamabot Who Has It All: Painting Of A Nude Obama Feeding His Unicorn Pancakes…
    Umm…

    It looks like there’s a whole lot more than just feeding going on there. I’ve seen this artist’s work before. He’s been selling these kinds of paintings of Obama and others on eBay and at one time raking in huge amounts of dough. Before ’08 when Obama was running, he would do paintings of all kinds of celebrities and people in the news like Michael Jackson and stuff. He even did a painting of one of my photos from Occupy Wall street in 2011.


  179. eaglesoars
    183 | January 23, 2013 6:02 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    AAAAAGHH!! *spit*

    dammit, I thought you liked us………..


  180. buzzsawmonkey
    184 | January 23, 2013 6:03 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Is that Obama channeling his inner Bill Wyman?


  181. yenta-fada
    185 | January 23, 2013 6:05 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Is that Obama channeling his inner Bill Wyman?

    Bad hair and Princeton?

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kaqwGcTfJuE/TQwnOk1M5AI/AAAAAAAABIE/AHj5GA5Wx7I/s1600/albert-einstein5.jpg


  182. 186 | January 23, 2013 6:05 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    A Prezzy to inspire poetry
    http://lh4.ggpht.com/-HfavpbThuEw/UP15PRTtJWI/AAAAAAAAxYg/aIq9mDZh87Q/s1600-h/barry%252520mop%252520copy%25255B4%25255D.jpg

    Sorry, watched Hillary lie her ass off this morning in the Benghazi hearings, I have exceeded my lifetime exposure to bullshit levels already today… :shock:


  183. buzzsawmonkey
    187 | January 23, 2013 6:05 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Whenever I call “Bullshit,” i.e., tech support, that’s the answer I get…


  184. buzzsawmonkey
    188 | January 23, 2013 6:09 pm

    Since we’ve wandered far afield from the thread topic, I will take this opportunity to post-pimp once again: “Reason Not the Need”: “Fair Share,” the Second Amendment, Dependency, and King Lear.”

    Comments at PJM welcomed.


  185. lobo91
    189 | January 23, 2013 6:10 pm

    Tingles Calls For End To Midterm Elections So “Weird,” “Warped” Voters Don’t Elect “Pissant” Republicans…

    MSNBC host Chris Matthews had tough words for Sens. Ron Johnson (R-WI) and Rand Paul (R-KY) who pointedly questioned Sec. Hillary Clinton today regarding her role in the September 11, 2012, attack on an American consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Matthews called Johnson a “pissant” due to his harsh line of questioning and said that Johnson is only in the Senate due to a low turnout election in 2010. “He doesn’t represent anybody,” Matthews scoffed. He suggested that he thinks off-year and midterm elections should be abolished, forcing all lawmakers to run on a national ticket. [...]

    “That was kind of a pissant performance by this guy from Wisconsin,” Matthews opined after playing the clip of their exchange. “I don’t know how these guys get over the wall into American politics.”

    “I think they won in a very low turnout election in Wisconsin,” Matthews added. He said he believes that all elections should be national elections to ensure that senators like Ron Johnson face an electorate that is not “weird” and “warped.”


  186. lobo91
    190 | January 23, 2013 6:16 pm

    @ lobo91:

    No word on whether or not Matthews bought the Obama painting above…


  187. 191 | January 23, 2013 6:17 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Somewhere their is a village desperately praying to god… Please dear God, don’t let Chrissy Pisspants loose his job and return home…


  188. heysoos
    192 | January 23, 2013 6:18 pm

    @ lobo91:
    he’s the unicorn


  189. Da_Beerfreak
    193 | January 23, 2013 6:20 pm

    To call Matthews an idiot is to do a grave disservice to all the idiots that come by their states naturally.


  190. heysoos
    194 | January 23, 2013 6:20 pm

    “I am committed to the highest standards of ethical conduct for government officials,” Kerry wrote in the agreement with the State Department’s ethics office.”

    we already knew that John, you fucking pissant


  191. heysoos
    196 | January 23, 2013 6:21 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    To call Matthews an idiot is to do a grave disservice to all the idiots that come by their states naturally.

    two words…
    $$$


  192. 197 | January 23, 2013 6:22 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    “I am committed to the highest standards of ethical conduct for government officials,” Kerry wrote in the agreement with the State Department’s ethics office.”
    we already knew that John, you fucking pissant

    As if John Ketchup Kerry even knows what a ethical standard is.


  193. lobo91
    198 | January 23, 2013 6:24 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    He already has experience lying in front of Senate committees, so he’ll do fine.


  194. heysoos
    199 | January 23, 2013 6:24 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    “I am committed to the highest standards of ethical conduct for government officials,” Kerry wrote in the agreement with the State Department’s ethics office.”
    we already knew that John, you fucking pissant

    As if John Ketchup Kerry even knows what a ethical standard is.

    if he had any ethics at all he would have put a bullet in his brain decades ago


  195. heysoos
    200 | January 23, 2013 6:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    He already has experience lying in front of Senate committees, so he’ll do fine.

    he’s a living parody of himself…an Onion


  196. Da_Beerfreak
    201 | January 23, 2013 6:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    To call Matthews an idiot is to do a grave disservice to all the idiots that come by their states naturally.

    two words…
    $$$
    No doubt as he is performing a great service for the Liberals in misinforming the uninformed and keeping them misinformed.

    Low-information voters don’t grow on trees, it takes real work to make them that dumb.


  197. lobo91
    202 | January 23, 2013 6:40 pm

    Hillary Clinton: Yes, The Officials Cited For Failures In Benghazi Are Still Being Paid…

    Last month, four State Department officials were placed on administrative leave for “systemic failures and leadership deficiencies at senior levels in securing the compound” at Benghazi, Libya, in September. The failures had resulted in the deaths of four people, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

    The four were only relieved of their duties and remain State Department employees though. In testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee today, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton explained what that meant in practical terms: “They are on administrative leave and under federal law and regulation they are still being paid.”


  198. Buffalobob
    203 | January 23, 2013 6:43 pm

    Help me out with this comparison. I never watched the movie Shindler’s List so I may be wrong. I am of the understanding that this so called hero Shindler had a list of Jews who possessed critical skills relating to the Nazi war effort. I also understand that most of the people on the list were in fact intellectuals academics and artisans with little ability and skills to preform the tasks they were assigned to. So I assume that the real skilled people who were displaced by those more equal were killed. This brings me to my rather obtuse point. Do people like Kotch and the Hollywood elites believe the will be spared beheading by the islamist hoard?


  199. eaglesoars
    204 | January 23, 2013 6:44 pm

    Gen. Mattis, the great Marine general is retiring (getting kicked out according to Tom Ricks). Here are 19 of his best quotes.

    My fave: “I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f* with me, I’ll kill you all.”


  200. 205 | January 23, 2013 6:45 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    Do people like Kotch and the Hollywood elites believe the will be spared beheading by the islamist hoard?

    Yes, they are a special breed of imbecile.


  201. eaglesoars
    206 | January 23, 2013 6:47 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    I am of the understanding that this so called hero Shindler had a list of Jews who possessed critical skills relating to the Nazi war effort. I also understand that most of the people on the list were in fact intellectuals academics and artisans with little ability and skills to preform the tasks they were assigned to. So I assume that the real skilled people who were displaced by those more equal were killed

    The premise is wrong. It was a rag tag, accidental group of Jews that came from one camp. I think the name of the camp was Plazlow -- something like that -- and most of the Jews had been rounded up from Cracow Poland.


  202. 207 | January 23, 2013 6:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Good find. And that is the very best quotation.


  203. lobo91
    208 | January 23, 2013 6:56 pm

    Fun Fact Of The Day: Entire 1776 U.S. Population Would Be Needed To Staff Obama’s Bloated Federal Government…

    President Obama Monday invoked Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence to justify his expansive view of government, but Jefferson might be surprised to learn that the number of federal employees today is nearly equal to the entire population of the nation in 1776.

    According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, the current civilian federal workforce, excluding postal service employees, was 2.15 million in 2011. The Census Bureau estimates that in 1776, the entire population of the United States was just a bit higher, at about 2.5 million. The number suggests that every adult man and woman living at the time – at least – would have been needed to staff today’s federal government.

    The comparison is ironic because Obama invoked Jefferson’s famous line from the Declaration about “unalienable rights” such as “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” to launch an inaugural address that invoked the Founders as justification for Obama’s own statist agenda.


  204. 209 | January 23, 2013 7:06 pm

    John “Bought and paid for” Boehner finally figures out that Obama is trying to destroy the GOP.

    Boehner: I can only conclude from that inaugural speech that Obama wants to annihilate the GOP


  205. Da_Beerfreak
    210 | January 23, 2013 7:09 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    We Are So Screwed


  206. eaglesoars
    211 | January 23, 2013 7:11 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    John “Bought and paid for” Boehner finally figures out that Obama is trying to destroy the GOP.

    Boehner: I can only conclude from that inaugural speech that Obama wants to annihilate the GOP

    It can be fun watching stupid people learn things.

    But not this time


  207. Speranza
    212 | January 23, 2013 7:14 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    John “Bought and paid for” Boehner finally figures out that Obama is trying to destroy the GOP.
    Boehner: I can only conclude from that inaugural speech that Obama wants to annihilate the GOP

    You can’t get anything past “Old Eagle Eye” John Boehner.


  208. heysoos
    213 | January 23, 2013 7:15 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    We Are So Screwed

    who knows…look at it as a wake up call, a silver lining


  209. lobo91
    214 | January 23, 2013 7:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    If I thought he would actually do something about it, it would be different.


  210. buzzsawmonkey
    215 | January 23, 2013 7:17 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    Help me out with this comparison. I never watched the movie Shindler’s List so I may be wrong. I am of the understanding that this so called hero Shindler had a list of Jews who possessed critical skills relating to the Nazi war effort. I also understand that most of the people on the list were in fact intellectuals academics and artisans with little ability and skills to preform the tasks they were assigned to. So I assume that the real skilled people who were displaced by those more equal were killed. This brings me to my rather obtuse point. Do people like Kotch and the Hollywood elites believe the will be spared beheading by the islamist hoard?

    Schindler was a Nazi party member, black-marketer and profiteer. As a Sudeten German, a “favored minority” within the Nazi party, he took over a factory in occupied Poland that made enameled dishware. He staffed it with slave labor from the nearby concentration camp. He managed to get the Nazi government to contract to buy his enamelware as “essential war material,” and thereby had a favored position as a defense contractor.

    He acquired a proprietary attitude towards “his” Jews, whether the same way that a slaveowner in the pre-Civil War South might beat one of his own slaves to death but defend “his” slaves against anyone else doing so, as an encroachment on his own rights, or whether he realized that it would be good to have friendly witnesses on his behalf in case Germany lost the war, or perhaps even from some smidgen of compassionate feeling, who can say?

    Certainly he lived off “his Jews” after the war; he was unable to function without favored-minority status, government contract fiddling, and black-marketeering. The Jews he had saved were more or less glad enough to contribute tribute to his maintenance, since he had saved their lives.


  211. Speranza
    216 | January 23, 2013 7:18 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”

    That story has been intriguing me for a couple of days now. I’m concerned, however, that it’s origin is Alex Jones.

    How does Alex Jones take phone calls on his radio show while he is wearing a straitjacket? I would not believe that Fat Bastard if he said that 5 + 5 = 10.


  212. buzzsawmonkey
    217 | January 23, 2013 7:18 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Boehner: I can only conclude from that inaugural speech that Obama wants to annihilate the GOP

    One clue down, fifteen thousand more to go.


  213. buzzsawmonkey
    218 | January 23, 2013 7:19 pm

    One wonders why Boehner didn’t tumble to Obama wanting to destroy the GOP at, say, the first debt ceiling conference in 2011.


  214. lobo91
    219 | January 23, 2013 7:21 pm

    Video: Rand Paul Hammers Hillary Clinton Over Benghazi During Senate Hearing, “I Would Have Relieved You Of Your Post” – Update: Barbara Boxer Says She Walked Out Of Hearing Over Paul’s Remarks…

    Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) didn’t like Sen. Rand Paul’s comments about firing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at all.

    “When I heard him say those words, I walked out of the hearing room and listened to him from behind the stage because I was so infuriated at what that man said,” Boxer told Rev. Al Sharpton on MSNBC’s Politics Nation on Wednesday. Boxer sits on the the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which was hosting one of Clinton’s hearings on the Hill. “To suggest that she’s retiring from this post after traveling a million miles and being one of the greatest Secretaries of State because of Benghazi is unbelievable.”

    The Kentucky Republican called Clinton’s lack of reading State Department cables “inexcusable.”

    Californians must be so proud…


  215. 220 | January 23, 2013 7:21 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    One wonders why Boehner didn’t tumble to Obama wanting to destroy the GOP at, say, the first debt ceiling conference in 2011.

    Because he’s a Democrat in Republican cloths? An imbecile?


  216. heysoos
    221 | January 23, 2013 7:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    One wonders why Boehner didn’t tumble to Obama wanting to destroy the GOP at, say, the first debt ceiling conference in 2011.

    he’s an insider GOP hack, therefore he’s not well informed or observant…when was the last time you and he chatted?


  217. eaglesoars
    222 | January 23, 2013 7:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    or whether he realized that it would be good to have friendly witnesses on his behalf in case Germany lost the war

    Well, if the sources are accurate, he helped them lose the war. At one point his factory was producing ammunition -- that never worked.


  218. buzzsawmonkey
    223 | January 23, 2013 7:35 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    he’s an insider GOP hack, therefore he’s not well informed or observant…when was the last time you and he chatted?

    You’d think he might have gotten the gist of things after Obama beat him over the head with his own leg for five minutes or so.


  219. RIX
    224 | January 23, 2013 7:37 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Boxer has always been a dishonest idiot.


  220. lobo91
    225 | January 23, 2013 7:40 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Boxer has always been a dishonest idiot.

    That’s Senator dishonest idiot to you, peasant…
    //


  221. RIX
    226 | January 23, 2013 7:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Boxer has always been a dishonest idiot.

    That’s Senator dishonest idiot to you, peasant…
    //

    I am so ashamed,/


  222. lobo91
    227 | January 23, 2013 7:44 pm

    @ RIX:

    I am so ashamed,/

    Say 10 Hail Obamas for your penance
    //


  223. buzzsawmonkey
    228 | January 23, 2013 7:47 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Well, if the sources are accurate, he helped them lose the war. At one point his factory was producing ammunition — that never worked.

    One gets the impression that he was a conman, looking to bilk his way to a fortune. The easiest way to do that, then as now, is get some nice sweetheart government contracts—and only deliver what you have to.


  224. eaglesoars
    229 | January 23, 2013 7:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    One gets the impression that he was a conman,

    Oh he most certainly was!! Unfortunately, his cons were rarely successful, which is why ‘his’ Jews supported him. I don’t know when exactly his wife divorced him -- I know she was still alive when Schindler’s List hit the theaters -- and she made no bones about the fact that she STILL hated him (he was quite the philanderer) -- but she never attmepted to discredit his devotion to the Jews in his care or the risks he took for them. If she could have, she would have.


  225. RIX
    230 | January 23, 2013 7:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I am so ashamed,/

    Say 10 Hail Obamas for your penance
    //

    Done


  226. huckfunn
    231 | January 23, 2013 7:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s Senator dishonest idiot to you, peasant

    @ RIX:
    “I worked so hard to get that title”. :mrgreen:


  227. lobo91
    232 | January 23, 2013 8:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    A classic.

    Because it’s so much harder to become a Senator than it is to become a general…
    //


  228. lobo91
    233 | January 23, 2013 8:05 pm

    “If there is one politician in Washington who should be advertising Teflon, it’s Hillary Clinton”
    --Bill O’Reilly


  229. huckfunn
    234 | January 23, 2013 8:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “If there is one politician in Washington who should be advertising Teflon, it’s Hillary Clinton”
    --Bill O’Reilly

    I’m hungry as hell, but I’m postponing dinner until after Miller Time.


  230. brookly red
    235 | January 23, 2013 8:25 pm

    Sorry to come late, but regarding 0′s muzzness I have said it before I fear he will push Israel to the point where they are forced to do the unthinkable.


  231. buzzsawmonkey
    236 | January 23, 2013 8:32 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Sorry to come late, but regarding 0′s muzzness I have said it before I fear he will push Israel to the point where they are forced to do the unthinkable.

    They will try to win their way into his good graces by cooking enough shwarma to satisfy Michelle? It can’t be done! Not even the Israelis can do that!


  232. brookly red
    237 | January 23, 2013 8:38 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Sorry to come late, but regarding 0′s muzzness I have said it before I fear he will push Israel to the point where they are forced to do the unthinkable.

    They will try to win their way into his good graces by cooking enough shwarma to satisfy Michelle? It can’t be done! Not even the Israelis can do that!

    /well they could but they would need to use a thermonuclear oven…


  233. eaglesoars
    238 | January 23, 2013 8:41 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I fear he will push Israel to the point where they are forced to do the unthinkable.

    It’s not clear to me how he would do that. Care to educate me?


  234. 239 | January 23, 2013 8:42 pm

    New Thread


  235. brookly red
    240 | January 23, 2013 8:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I fear he will push Israel to the point where they are forced to do the unthinkable.

    It’s not clear to me how he would do that. Care to educate me?

    to make it simple he might cause a situation where Israel needs to use the nuclear option to survive.


  236. eaglesoars
    241 | January 23, 2013 8:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    to make it simple he might cause a situation where Israel needs to use the nuclear option to survive.

    F-16s to Egypt comes to mind


  237. darkwords
    242 | January 23, 2013 9:02 pm

    @ doriangrey: Bridge over the River Kwai moment.


  238. lobo91
    243 | January 23, 2013 9:11 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    to make it simple he might cause a situation where Israel needs to use the nuclear option to survive.
    F-16s to Egypt comes to mind

    Those F-16s wouldn’t last long against Israel. They’re stripped-down models, and besides, the Egyptian pilots aren’t that good.


  239. eaglesoars
    244 | January 23, 2013 9:28 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Thank you thank you thank you.

    I don’t remember the title but I read a book about the 6 day war -- the Egyptian military did not come off well in terms of command structure, etc.

    Now Gen’l McInernney is disputing you -- saying the planes are quite good -- ‘block 52′

    ??


  240. Speranza
    245 | January 23, 2013 9:41 pm

    I saw Giuliani on Hannity tonight and he asked “Where is the military threat to Egypt?”.


  241. Buffalobob
    246 | January 23, 2013 10:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey: Thank you for the information. I should watch the movie.


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