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The School Shooting You Haven’t Heard About

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Filed under Blogmocracy, Crime, Guest Post, Media, Progressives, Second Amendment, Weapons at January 23rd, 2013 - 11:00 am

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From my former home state of Wyoming.

 

The School Shooting You Haven’t Heard About

C.J. Box · January 12, 2013 at 10:50am

Very few people heard about the school shooting in gun-filled Wyoming that left three people dead late last year. Stick around, and you’ll find out why.

Here’s what happened:

Chris Krumm, a troubled 25-year-old, traveled from Connecticut to Casper, Wyoming, to settle a score with his father, Jim Krumm, a popular junior college instructor. The motivation for his actions are unclear, but Chris Krumm appeared to be suffering from a mental illness.

On a Friday morning, November 30, Chris Krumm murdered his father’s female companion Heidi Arnold– also an instructor at the college — and left her body in the street. He then drove to Casper College where his father Jim taught computer science in Room 325. Chris Krumm entered the room and —  in front of students — shot his father in the head. Jim Krumm heroically wrestled his son to the floor before he died so the students could escape. Chris Krumm, like most of these cowards, committed suicide before police arrived.

It was a horrific incident, and it shook my hometown of Casper and the rest of our sparsely populated state to its core. Although Wyoming has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the U.S., it also has one of the lowest murder rates. The incident was unusual and shocking and heavily covered locally but not nationally. Where were Michael Bloomberg and Bob Costas and Piers Morgan and Barack Obama?

So why, in the tragic shadow of Sandy Hook, haven’t you heard of this school shooting?

Because Chris Krumm killed Heidi Arnold with a knife. He shot his father through the head with a compound bow and arrow at a range of four feet. And he used a knife to end his own miserable existence.

Now you know why you haven’t heard about it.

It’s far past time for the press to shut the hell up about not having an agenda.

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  1. 4_Sticks
    2 | January 23, 2013 11:06 am

    This story would feed their meme unfortunately. Only 3 dead as opposed to twenty something.


  2. 4_Sticks
    3 | January 23, 2013 11:11 am

    Notice though that it was another kid from upper middle class family (my assumption but bet I’m right) rather than the pick up drivin’ gun rack ‘red neck’ the msm loves to focus on.


  3. heysoos
    4 | January 23, 2013 12:03 pm

    statistically, he is highly likely to be a liberal democrat


  4. Speranza
    5 | January 23, 2013 12:04 pm

    Now that is a hero.


  5. unclassifiable
    6 | January 23, 2013 12:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The revalation was when you get the point that the First Amendment is to protect speech you do not agree with. It took a while for that to sink in.

    I got the feeling Randy Weaver and David Koresh were folks I would not agree with but that did not necessarily mean the government had an obligation to kill them.


  6. 7 | January 23, 2013 12:42 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    I got the feeling Randy Weaver and David Koresh were folks I would not agree with but that did not necessarily mean the government had an obligation to kill them.

    There are a lot of people I don’t agree with. That doesn’t make it the government’s business to kill them. The Branch Davidian mess was worse than most people know. Before Fast and Furious, it was the bloodiest debacle in US Law Enforcement history, and the people that perpetrated it never lost their jobs. Some of them were promoted. So someone in th eJustice Departent didn’t think of it as a debacle at all. That is a scary thing. My bet is that that same mindset was in operation throughout Fast and Furious, and is still in operation today whn Obama is pushing for yet more gun control.


  7. waldensianspirit
    8 | January 23, 2013 12:46 pm

    @ 4_Sticks:
    They can’t possibly think of their own offspring as nuts


  8. lobo91
    9 | January 23, 2013 12:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    So someone in th eJustice Departent didn’t think of it as a debacle at all. That is a scary thing. My bet is that that same mindset was in operation throughout Fast and Furious, and is still in operation today whn Obama is pushing for yet more gun control.

    Doesn’t sound all that different from Benghazi, actually. Notice that despite the claims to the contrary, nobody’s actually been fired over that. They just got different jobs.

    And Hillary herself told the Senate committee that while she “takes full responsibility,” it wasn’t her fault.


  9. lobo91
    10 | January 23, 2013 12:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Oh, and BTW, one of the people involved in the creation of Fast & Furious has been nominated to become the permanent ATF director. He’ll undoubtedly be confirmed without significant questions, because he has the main qualification Obama looks for: he’s a minority.


  10. 11 | January 23, 2013 12:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s a lovely thing, isn’t it? Like Martin Luther King dreamed, a world where they judge you not by the content of your character, but by the color of your skin… :roll:


  11. waldensianspirit
    12 | January 23, 2013 12:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama’s executive orders on guns if carried out could instigate a whole bunch of Wacos


  12. lobo91
    13 | January 23, 2013 12:58 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s a lovely thing, isn’t it? Like Martin Luther King dreamed, a world where they judge you not by the content of your character, but by the color of your skin…

    I’ve come to the conclusion that I woke up one morning in that mirror universe where Spock has a beard.


  13. lobo91
    14 | January 23, 2013 1:00 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama’s executive orders on guns if carried out could instigate a whole bunch of Wacos

    If that doesn’t do it, Feinstein’s bill would, if passed.

    If she seriously believes that the owners of millions of semi-automatic rifles are going to register them with the ATF as though they’re machine guns, she needs medical intervention.


  14. lobo91
    15 | January 23, 2013 1:06 pm

    Dem Sen. Dianne Feinstein To Introduce “Assault Weapons” Ban On Thursday…

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, is set to introduce her bill to reinstate a federal assault weapons ban on Thursday.

    Feinstein announced her plans to introduce the ban after December’s mass shooting in Newtown, Conn. President Barack Obama has also called for a ban on weapons that resemble military firearms.

    The bill will call for the prohibition of 120 specific weapons, magazines that can carry more than 10 cartridges and firearms that can accept a detachable magazine in addition to at least one other military-style feature. Feinstein’s office has also revealed that while the bill would not mandate the confiscation of pre-ban weapons, it would require registration of any grandfathered weapons.


  15. 16 | January 23, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I don’t think that will pass the Senate, let alone the House, but it is refreshing to see a little truth out of a legislator. Of course, they’ll be taking up guns from anyone that they deem unfit to have them. If it did pass, though, I think you’d see most gun owners ignore the law to register their guns. Everyone knows that is just a prelude to confiscation, anyway.


  16. 17 | January 23, 2013 1:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that I woke up one morning in that mirror universe where Spock has a beard.

    Back in the day, a friend of mine had a habit of saying “the longer it goes on, the weirder it gets”. Methinks he was a prophet.


  17. lobo91
    18 | January 23, 2013 1:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    If it did pass, though, I think you’d see most gun owners ignore the law to register their guns. Everyone knows that is just a prelude to confiscation, anyway.

    Of course it is.

    None of their schemes will work without registration. This “universal background check” they keep talking about can’t work unless they know what guns people have in the first place.


  18. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | January 23, 2013 1:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    And Hillary herself told the Senate committee that while she “takes full responsibility,” it wasn’t her fault.

    Used to be that “taking responsibility” meant you resigned and/or went to jail. Now, “I take responsibility” means “yell at me for a while, then shut up, and I’ll go on as I have been.”


  19. eaglesoars
    20 | January 23, 2013 1:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    the people that perpetrated it never lost their jobs.

    I believe that is incorrect. Larry Potts did (he reported directly to Freeh). But he wasn’t booted until after the Ruby Ridge debacle (which is when I started to wake up)


  20. Da_Beerfreak
    21 | January 23, 2013 1:18 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama’s executive orders on guns if carried out could instigate a whole bunch of Wacos

    That’s a feature, not a bug.

    Baby Doc’s Storm Troopers are looking for a fight.


  21. lobo91
    22 | January 23, 2013 1:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Used to be that “taking responsibility” meant you resigned and/or went to jail. Now, “I take responsibility” means “yell at me for a while, then shut up, and I’ll go on as I have been.”

    Her husband wanted to debate the meaning of “is.” Now, she wants to redefine “responsibility.”


  22. Da_Beerfreak
    23 | January 23, 2013 1:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    If it did pass, though, I think you’d see most gun owners ignore the law to register their guns. Everyone knows that is just a prelude to confiscation, anyway.

    Of course it is.

    None of their schemes will work without registration. This “universal background check” they keep talking about can’t work unless they know what guns people have in the first place.

    The last firearm I bought from a retail store (Kmart) was about 30 years ago. I really doubt the Gov. could figure out what I have without me telling them and I ain’t that stupid…


  23. 24 | January 23, 2013 1:25 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    You might be right about that, but nobody of any significance lost their job for Waco, and Lon Horiuchi was promoted after shooting Vickie Weaver.


  24. lobo91
    25 | January 23, 2013 1:27 pm

    Dem consultant Sally Kohn was just on FNC talking about “common sense gun safety” proposals (their new term, which is supposed to replace “gun control”). Right at the end of the segment, she slipped in one of the things I mentioned immediately after Obama’s little show the other day, which is adding the TSA and NCTC watch lists to the NICS database.

    She said, “If you can’t fly on a plane, you shouldn’t be able to buy a gun.”

    I predict that this is going to be their way of implementing their schemes. It’s something they could probably get passed, for one thing. After all, who could be opposed to letting “terrorists” buy guns?

    The problem is that the lists are secret, and there’s no appeals process. They can literally put anyone on there they like (well, actually, anyone they don’t like), and there’s not a thing you can do about it.


  25. eaglesoars
    26 | January 23, 2013 1:29 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Lon Horiuchi was promoted after shooting Vickie Weaver.

    Now THAT I did not know.


  26. 27 | January 23, 2013 1:30 pm

    @ lobo91:

    My problem with this under the Bush Administration was the fear of what the next President would do with it. I think we are seeing the tip of the iceberg here. Obama has already set the precedent that if you are on a list as a terrorist and in a foreign country he can kill you without a trial.


  27. waldensianspirit
    28 | January 23, 2013 1:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    He’s avoiding sending any more to Gitmo. Because that’d blow his cover with the MSM


  28. lobo91
    29 | January 23, 2013 1:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    My problem with this under the Bush Administration was the fear of what the next President would do with it. I think we are seeing the tip of the iceberg here. Obama has already set the precedent that if you are on a list as a terrorist and in a foreign country he can kill you without a trial.

    It really is amazing how the people who were so upset over Bush’s supposed “shredding” of the Constitution don’t have the slightest problem with Obama doing things that are ten times worse.

    Okay…maybe it’s not that amazing.


  29. 30 | January 23, 2013 1:34 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Horiuchi was at Waco in some position. I don’t recall what it was. Shoot an unarmed woman holding a baby (I guess it was an assault baby), get promoted. That says something about the culture of the FBI that is most unsettling.


  30. lobo91
    31 | January 23, 2013 1:35 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    He’s avoiding sending any more to Gitmo. Because that’d blow his cover with the MSM

    I’m surprised that he hasn’t attacked Gitmo using drones.


  31. 32 | January 23, 2013 1:37 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Before the 2008 election or maybe slightly after that one conservative pundit (I don’t recall who) said it’d be good to get a Democrat President because that’d get the Democrat Party on the side of the USA in the War on Terror. That isn’t *exactly* how it worked out, but it is amusing to watch them twist themselves into knots to excuse in Obama actions that they called “War Crimes” under Bush.


  32. lobo91
    33 | January 23, 2013 1:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I personally don’t have a particular problem with someone like Anwar al Alawki being taken out by a drone (or a bullet in the head, for that matter), because they guy clearly was never a “real” American citizen. Both of his parents were Saudis, they were only here on student visas when he was born, and he lived most of his life outside the US anyway. The whole citizenship thing was just a convenient way for him to get into the US freely. If I had my way, he (and the kids of millions of illegal aliens) wouldn’t be US citizens anyway.

    But it does set a bad precedent.


  33. waldensianspirit
    34 | January 23, 2013 1:44 pm

    Obama the Drone President


  34. 35 | January 23, 2013 1:46 pm

    Oh, on Lon Horiuchi. It’s Wiki, but they say they can’t definitively link Horiuchi to shots fired at Waco because they rebarreled his rifle after the Waco Massacre:

    Three of the twelve expended .308 Winchester shell casings that the Texas Rangers reported finding in the house were at Horiuchi’s position. However, officials maintain that they could have been left behind from the earlier use of the house by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives snipers on February 28, 1993, and that it would be “nearly impossible” to match them to Horiuchi’s rifle, as it had probably been rebarreled since that time.[8]

    Rebarrelling shouldn’t make much difference to tool marks on spent shell casings, I wouldn’t think…


  35. buzzsawmonkey
  36. lobo91
    37 | January 23, 2013 1:47 pm

    White House Says It Agrees With Hillary Clinton When She Said “It Doesn’t Make A Difference” Who Killed 4 Americans In Benghazi…

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on Wednesday defended Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s statement before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that it doesn’t make a difference what administration officials first said in explaining how Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were slain in last September’s attack in Benghazi, Libya.

    Carney told reporters at the daily press briefing that there has been an “obvious political obsession over a series of talking points” that bears no relevance to the essential issues at stake.

    “No one took more seriously the fact that we lost four American lives in Benghazi than the president of the United States and the secretary of state of the United States,” Carney said.

    “And whatever was said — based on information provided by the intelligence community – on a series of Sunday shows bears no ultimate relevance” to the question of what happened and who was responsible for the attack, he added.


  37. 38 | January 23, 2013 1:47 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Before the 2008 election or maybe slightly after that one conservative pundit (I don’t recall who) said it’d be good to get a Democrat President because that’d get the Democrat Party on the side of the USA in the War on Terror. That isn’t *exactly* how it worked out, but it is amusing to watch them twist themselves into knots to excuse in Obama actions that they called “War Crimes” under Bush.

    The drone strikes are the only facet of the Obama presidency that is acceptable, and I’m still trying to determine his motivation. I suspect it’s to provide him with an appearance of credibility in that area.


  38. lobo91
    39 | January 23, 2013 1:49 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Rebarrelling shouldn’t make much difference to tool marks on spent shell casings, I wouldn’t think…

    With a bolt action rifle, it wouldn’t make any difference at all.


  39. 40 | January 23, 2013 1:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    But it does set a bad precedent.

    And there’s the problem with it. I’m not going to shed any teas for al Awaki or Adam Gedhan, either, but who it the next person to turn up on Obama’s personal hit list? That’s the problem. It isn’t even the existance of the list that is the problem. It is that I don’t trust Obama to be making these calls. But it is interesting how the Peace Movement faded away when the guy calling (and making?) the drone hits suddenlt hada “D” after his name. It is almost as though the whole thing was a sham political operation or something… :roll:


  40. heysoos
    41 | January 23, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ lobo91:
    too bad they don’t allow questions from the public…anyway, at the end of the day. the GOP will be accused of witch hunting and brow beating poor Hilary…just hope that someone comes before them and trashes her story


  41. lobo91
    42 | January 23, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    The drone strikes are the only facet of the Obama presidency that is acceptable, and I’m still trying to determine his motivation. I suspect it’s to provide him with an appearance of credibility in that area.

    Yup. It’s not like there’s any way for anyone to check into their claims, after all. Fire some missiles into a mud hut in the wilds of Pakistan or Yemen, claim to have killed some top terrorist, and pat yourself on the back.


  42. lobo91
    43 | January 23, 2013 1:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    too bad they don’t allow questions from the public…anyway, at the end of the day. the GOP will be accused of witch hunting and brow beating poor Hilary…just hope that someone comes before them and trashes her story

    She’s testifying before the House committee this afternoon.

    I suspect that they’re going to be a bit tougher on her.


  43. waldensianspirit
    44 | January 23, 2013 1:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obama’s personal hit list?

    They(family) pays ransom and they get to live?


  44. lobo91
    45 | January 23, 2013 1:56 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Obama’s personal hit list?
    They(family) pays ransom and they get to live?

    That’s how it works in other great liberal democracies like Pakistan and Mexico…
    //


  45. lobo91
    46 | January 23, 2013 1:59 pm

    Another school shooting averted by quick-thinking staff:

    Philadelphia girl scolded, searched for pulling out paper gun at school, mom says

    A Philadelphia elementary school student was scolded and searched by administrators in front of her entire class after she pulled out a paper gun in class last week, according to her mother.

    Melody Valentin’s mother, Dianna Kelly, tells Fox 29 that school officials went too far when they reportedly punished her daughter for pulling out the gun, which she says looks like a folded sheet of paper.

    Fox 29 reports that one of the fifth grader’s classmates reportedly saw the paper gun and notified administrators as she was going to throw it away.

    “He yelled at me and said I shouldn’t have brought the gun to school and I kept telling him it was a paper gun but he wouldn’t listen,” Melody tells Fox 29.

    Kelly says school staff searched her daughter while other students watched.


  46. 47 | January 23, 2013 2:00 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Obama’s doing his part to pay off the national debt. I don’t reckon that that Pakistani doctor that fingered bin Laden for us ever got his $25 million, either. We not only dick him out of the money, we let him rot in a Paki jail. How’s that for watching your peoples’ backs?


  47. huckfunn
    48 | January 23, 2013 2:02 pm

    Good news! Union membership falls to 70-year low.

    Washington — The nation’s unions lost 400,000 members in 2012 as the percentage of U.S. workers represented by a labor union fell to 11.3 percent, its lowest level since the 1930s -- declining by 0.5 percent over the last year.

    Michigan accounted for about 10 percent of the nation’s loss of unionized workers as the Wolverine State fell to the seventh most-unionized state, from fifth in 2011.

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics said the biggest hit was in public sector unions, where many states and cities have cut back on their unionized workforce.

    Among public sector workers, 35.9 percent are in a union -- down from 37.0 percent in 2011, as the public sector shed nearly 250,000 union workers.

    The public sector union rate is more than five times higher than that of private-sector workers. In the private sector, 6.6 percent are unionized, down from 6.9 percent in 2011.

    Union membership fell in 34 states.

    In Michigan, union membership fell more sharply than the national average; It was down to 16.6 percent in 2012, compared with 17.5 percent in 2011. Michigan lost 42,000 union workers, falling to 629,000 in 2012.

    Wisconsin’s new Right to Work Law will start in March of this year. That should knock a few more tens of thousands off the union rolls.


  48. Mars
    49 | January 23, 2013 2:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Dem consultant Sally Kohn was just on FNC talking about “common sense gun safety” proposals (their new term, which is supposed to replace “gun control”). Right at the end of the segment, she slipped in one of the things I mentioned immediately after Obama’s little show the other day, which is adding the TSA and NCTC watch lists to the NICS database.
    She said, “If you can’t fly on a plane, you shouldn’t be able to buy a gun.”
    I predict that this is going to be their way of implementing their schemes. It’s something they could probably get passed, for one thing. After all, who could be opposed to letting “terrorists” buy guns?
    The problem is that the lists are secret, and there’s no appeals process. They can literally put anyone on there they like (well, actually, anyone they don’t like), and there’s not a thing you can do about it.

    Interesting isn’t it. I said right after Newtown that the new term was going to be “common sense” gun laws.

    Notice that the jackass in this article was from Connecticut, so was Newtown, and I seem to recall a couple other incidents in CT a few years back. So I call for “common sense” registration of CT residents.


  49. lobo91
    50 | January 23, 2013 2:05 pm

    @ Mars:

    Interesting isn’t it. I said right after Newtown that the new term was going to be “common sense” gun laws.

    And the other part is that they’ve replaced “gun control” with “gun safety.”

    Because who could be against “gun safety,” right?


  50. Da_Beerfreak
    51 | January 23, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ lobo91:
    It’s all about teaching the young ones how to live in a police state.


  51. lobo91
    52 | January 23, 2013 2:09 pm

    GOP Rep: ‘The Only Constitution That Barack Obama Upholds Is The Soviet Constitution’

    Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) tells the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

    “I don’t know what Constitution that other members of Congress uphold, but it’s not this one,” he said. “I think the only Constitution that Barack Obama upholds is the Soviet constitution, not this one. He has no concept of this one, though he claimed to be a constitutional lawyer.”


  52. Da_Beerfreak
    53 | January 23, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I say it’s all part of Obama’s plan to make the US as untrustworthy as possible.


  53. 54 | January 23, 2013 2:11 pm

    @ Mars:

    You can really get yourself in trouble with the Politically Correct Police if you notice that half of the homicides in America are comitted by black youth (almost exclusively urban youth). Talk about trying to do anything to change that, and you’d think you were burning a cross in someone’s yard.


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    55 | January 23, 2013 2:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ huckfunn:
    @ lobo91:

    …et. al.; check out my link in #36; I think you’ll like it.


  55. Mars
    56 | January 23, 2013 2:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Another school shooting averted by quick-thinking staff:
    Philadelphia girl scolded, searched for pulling out paper gun at school, mom says
    A Philadelphia elementary school student was scolded and searched by administrators in front of her entire class after she pulled out a paper gun in class last week, according to her mother.
    Melody Valentin’s mother, Dianna Kelly, tells Fox 29 that school officials went too far when they reportedly punished her daughter for pulling out the gun, which she says looks like a folded sheet of paper.
    Fox 29 reports that one of the fifth grader’s classmates reportedly saw the paper gun and notified administrators as she was going to throw it away.
    “He yelled at me and said I shouldn’t have brought the gun to school and I kept telling him it was a paper gun but he wouldn’t listen,” Melody tells Fox 29.
    Kelly says school staff searched her daughter while other students watched.

    They’ve been doing this crap in schools for years. Especially with their “no tolerance” drug policies. A kid has an aspirin or Midol and gets strip searched.

    The schools have started becoming the totalitarian wet dream of the libs.

    Anyone been reading about the Sheriffs revolt? At least one in my state has now signed on.

    http://www.redstate.com/kfobbs/2013/01/17/will-you-support-your-state-and-sheriff-that-defy-obama-gun-control-orders/


  56. 57 | January 23, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Just like Schumer saying he “believes in the Second Amedndment” the other day. He doesn’t believe that it really means anything, but he supports it so long as the Justices will let him have any gun control measures he or any other Democrats want.


  57. lobo91
    58 | January 23, 2013 2:14 pm

    Here we go…the top Democrat on the House committee is blaming House Republicans for what happened in Benghazi, since they “cut funding” for State Department security.

    Never mind the fact that the budget passed by the House was never acted on by the Senate. Or that the State Department has already said that lack of funding had no effect on their decisions in Benghazi.


  58. MikeA
    59 | January 23, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ Mars:
    @ lobo91:

    I like how when the press does something stupid like the Olympic bomber and they guy they accused of it or some crazy religion commits mass suicide like Jonestown or Heaven’s Gate, no one says lets have comnmon sense restrictions on the press or religion (nor should they) but for guns its like the 2nd Amend means something completely different.


  59. heysoos
    60 | January 23, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ Mars:
    waiting for something to come out NM….Gov Martinez is a gunner and we have some pretty wide open laws here, but I’d like to see this spread


  60. lobo91
    61 | January 23, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Mars:

    I’m pretty sure that our sheriff will agree.


  61. 62 | January 23, 2013 2:18 pm

    New Thread.


  62. lobo91
    63 | January 23, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ MikeA:

    We need common sense regulation of Kool Aid!

    Nobody needs 50 packages of Kool Aid!


  63. Da_Beerfreak
    64 | January 23, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Propaganda works.
    The Mushrooms will eat this shit up and ask for more.


  64. 65 | January 23, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Excellent synopsis. They likewise try to say that having a right to a rifle is akin to having a right to a nuclear weapon, and that if you subscribe that the latter might justly be regulated, thnen surely the former must be as well. These are all rather base attempts at propaganda, but as we saw in the last election, propaganda works. At least on a surprisingly large segment of the voting populace.


  65. buzzsawmonkey
    66 | January 23, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Thanks! Please leave a comment there, if you can.


  66. 67 | January 23, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I left a comment, but it seems to have gone to the comment gulag…


  67. buzzsawmonkey
    68 | January 23, 2013 2:43 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I left a comment, but it seems to have gone to the comment gulag…

    I just saw it come up—thanks!

    Sometimes it takes the comments a little while to show up.


  68. 4_Sticks
    69 | January 23, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Mean like this little gal ?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2264933/Girl-5-suspended-kindergarten-days-threatening-shoot-friend-pink-Hello-Kitty-bubble-gun.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    She will not be able to purchase a gun when she grows up having been marked a ‘terrorist’ before her 7th birthday.


  69. 4_Sticks
    70 | January 23, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    See West Point (USMA) ‘think tank’ conclusions:

    Conservatives.


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