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When you arm Islamists, you become a willing collaborator in your own destruction

by Speranza ( 106 Comments › )
Filed under Al Qaeda, Anti-semitism, Christianity, Dhimmitude, Egypt, George W. Bush, Hamas, Hillary Clinton, Islam, Islamic Supremacism, Islamists, Israel, Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, Religion, Sharia (Islamic Law) at January 28th, 2013 - 11:00 am

Looking at a map of Egypt, one must wonder where the military threat to that nation lies. Hillary Clinton’s (aka Mrs. Macbeth) reign as Secretary of State (one of the worst in my lifetime- starting with the Eisenhower Administration) has been nothing but one apologia for Islamists after another.

by Andrew C. McCarthy

When Mohamed Morsi dehumanizes Jews as “the descendants of apes and pigs,” there’s an elephant in the room. We find it here:

Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil — these are many times worse in rank, and far more astray from the even Path!

You see, Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood mahoff–turned–president did not conjure up the apes-and-pigs riff on his own. When Morsi fulminates that Muslims “must not forget to nurse our children and grandchildren on hatred towards those Zionists and Jews, and all those who support them,” he is taking his cues straight from the Koran. Or rather, from the Holy Koran, as “progressive” American politicians take pains to call it in the off hours from their campaign to drive every last vestige of Judeo-Christian culture from the public square.

The excerpt above is not from the Life and Times of Mohamed Morsi. It originates with that other Mohammed. Specifically, it is Sura 5:60 of the Koran, the tome Muslims take to be the immutable, verbatim commands of Allah, as revealed to the prophet. And as Andrew Bostom illustrates (with a disquieting amplitude of examples), the verse is not an outlier. It states an Islamic leitmotif.

Contrary to the fairy tale weaved by apologists for Islamists on both sides of America’s political aisle, Jew hatred is not a pathogen insidiously injected into Islam by the Nazis (with whom Middle Eastern Muslims enthusiastically aligned). Nor did the ummah come by it through exposure to other strains of anti-Semitism that blight the history of Christendom. Jew hatred is ingrained in Islamic doctrine. Consequently, despite the efforts of enlightened Muslim reformers, Jew hatred is — and will remain — a pillar of Islamist ideology.

You may recall hearing this little ditty from the Hamas charter — often echoed by ministers of the Palestinian Authority and in the preachments of Brotherhood jurist Yusuf al-Qaradawi, on whose every word millions hang weekly on al-Jazeera (or is it al-Gore?):

The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Muslims make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: “Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!”

Again, these are not sentiments dreamt up by “violent extremists” waging a modern, purely political “resistance” against oppressive “Zionists.” The prophet’s admonition that Muslims will be spared the hellfire by killing Jews is repeated in numerous authoritative hadiths (see, e.g., Sahih Muslim Book 41, No. 6985; Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, No. 791).

Hadiths, it is worth emphasizing, are the recorded actions and instructions of Mohammed, who is taken by Muslims to be the “perfect example” they are to emulate. And in case you suppose, after years of listening to Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama, that the prophet must ultimately have come around on the Jews, you might want to rethink that one. Another hadith, relating Mohammed’s dying words, recounts his final plea: “May Allah curse the Jews and the Christians.” (Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, No. 427.)

Now of course, none of this is to say that it is impossible for Islam to evolve beyond anti-Semitism. As individuals, millions of Muslims want no part of the ancient hatreds. As scholars and activists, a number of Muslim reformers admirably endeavor to erase this legacy by limiting it to its historical context, reducing it to allegory, or casting doubt on its provenance. [........]

Nevertheless, the humility with which we must acknowledge this history is not an excuse for failing to grapple with what it means. Elite Western opinion came to condemn what it once practiced by correctly reasoning that those noxious practices cut against the grain of our guiding doctrine, which is predominantly Christian. Evolution was in no way easy, but it was logical.

In Islam, to the contrary, the doctrine itself is the most daunting barrier against evolution. And now, with the self-defeating encouragement of the West, Islamic-supremacist ideology has, throughout the Middle East, broken out of the shackles that kept it in check. [........]

The answer to this challenge is to take the Islamists head-on. It is to show them for what they truly are: enemies of civil rights, totalitarian tormentors of women and non-Muslims. The answer is not to arm them — as the Obama administration, with the maddening support of some leading Republicans, is arming Morsi’s regime — with a score of F-16 fighter jets and a couple of hundred Abrams tanks.

When not manufacturing history, tears, and indignation this week during her long-overdue testimony on the Benghazi massacre, outgoing secretary of state Hillary Clinton stunned careful listeners by repeatedly mentioning the “global jihad” against America. These were stark violations of Obama-administration strictures against any reference to Islam in discussions of the threat to the West.

They also marked quite a departure for Mrs. Clinton. She has played no small part in propagating the “Islamophobia” canard. She has championed the imposition of sharia blasphemy standards on speech that is protected by the First Amendment. And, with an assist from Senator John McCain, she has cowed 99 percent of Beltway Republicans into silence over the longstanding ties of her top adviser, Huma Abedin, to the Muslim Brotherhood and to an al-Qaeda financier, Abdullah Omar Naseef, whose now-defunct “charity” (the Rabita Trust) was designated as a global terrorist organization under American law.  [.........]

In the Clinton tradition, there was more calculated confusion than clarity in the secretary’s meandering testimony. Mrs. Clinton frets over the “jihadists” but insists that we must be able to “partner” with the region’s Islamists . . . like Morsi and the Brotherhood. Do you suppose she’s noticed that the Muslim Brotherhood demands the release of the Blind Sheikh, just like al-Qaeda does? That Morsi and Hamas (the Brotherhood’s Palestinian terror branch) publicly yearn for the destruction of Israel, just like al-Qaeda does? [........]

Alas, this is not a series of strange coincidences. These are the major points that define a Muslim — violent or nonviolent — as an Islamist. When you “partner” with Islamists, you are abetting the global jihad, not opposing it. When you arm Islamists, you become a willing participant in your own undoing.

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  1. lobo91
    1 | January 28, 2013 11:28 am

    Speaking of apes and Muslims:

    Iran Says It Successfully Launched Monkey Into Space..

    Iran has successfully launched a live monkey into space, the state news agency IRNA said on Monday, touting it as an advance in a missile and space program that has alarmed the West and Israel.

    There was no independent confirmation of the report, which quoted a defense ministry statement. It said the launch coincided “with the days of” the Prophet Mohammad’s birthday last week but gave no date.

    IRNA said the monkey was sent into space on a Kavoshgar rocket. The rocket reached a height of more than 120 km (75 miles) and “returned its shipment intact”, IRNA reported.

    The Islamic Republic’s state-run, English-language Press TV said the monkey was retrieved alive.

    Iran announced plans in 2011 to send a monkey into space, but that attempt was reported to have failed.

    Anyone seen Dinnerjacket lately?


  2. 2 | January 28, 2013 11:29 am

    @ lobo91:

    :lol:


  3. 3 | January 28, 2013 11:30 am

    Andrew McCarthy is one of the few Conservatives who is intellectually honest about how both parties support the Muslim Brotherhood.


  4. lobo91
    4 | January 28, 2013 11:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Assuming that story is even true (which it probably isn’t) that means they’ve caught up to our late 1950s technology.


  5. 5 | January 28, 2013 11:32 am

    The answer is not to arm them — as the Obama administration, with the maddening support of some leading Republicans, is arming Morsi’s regime — with a score of F-16 fighter jets and a couple of hundred Abrams tanks.

    Bearck Obama doesn’t trust the Average American with an M-4, and asks what we “need” with an AR_15, but is unafraid to trust the Muslim Brootherhood with fighter jets and main battle tanks. And he doesn’t ask them what they need them for…


  6. 6 | January 28, 2013 11:37 am

    @ lobo91:

    But our mid-’40s technology was sufficient to build and deliver the Hiroshima Bomb. Just because they are primitive in comparison to us doesn’t mean that they can’t gravely injure us. We take Iran lightly at our peril.


  7. lobo91
    7 | January 28, 2013 11:45 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    But our mid-’40s technology was sufficient to build and deliver the Hiroshima Bomb. Just because they are primitive in comparison to us doesn’t mean that they can’t gravely injure us. We take Iran lightly at our peril.

    I think it’s interesting to note that we were able to develop nuclear weapons--including the hydrogen bomb--using paper and slide rules, while they struggle to repeat the same feat with the help of 21st century technology. And it’s not like they have to actually invent anything. It’s already been done.

    Yet they call us apes…


  8. Tanker
    8 | January 28, 2013 11:46 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The answer is not to arm them — as the Obama administration, with the maddening support of some leading Republicans, is arming Morsi’s regime — with a score of F-16 fighter jets and a couple of hundred Abrams tanks.
    Bearck Obama doesn’t trust the Average American with an M-4, and asks what we “need” with an AR_15, but is unafraid to trust the Muslim Brootherhood with fighter jets and main battle tanks. And he doesn’t ask them what they need them for…

    Both of those systems are rather complex in operation and maintaining, which brings up the question of whether technical support from the US will also be provided.

    We can give our children cars, but can they keep them going on their own?


  9. lobo91
    9 | January 28, 2013 11:49 am

    @ Tanker:

    Both of those systems are rather complex in operation and maintaining, which brings up the question of whether technical support from the US will also be provided.

    That maintenance would be done by western contractors, of course, just like it is in Saudi Arabia.

    It would be pretty easy to cut off that support if we needed to.


  10. 10 | January 28, 2013 11:51 am

    Andrew McCarthy opposed the Libya War, the Arab Spring and getting involved in Syria. I wish republicans would listen to this guiy and not McCain.


  11. 11 | January 28, 2013 11:52 am

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, but some of them can last som e time without it. I remember that we shredded the F-14s when we took them out of commission for fear the Iranians would get their parts as spares for the F-14s we gave the Shah. Looks like that taught us exactly nothing.


  12. song_and_dance_man
    12 | January 28, 2013 11:56 am

    The Chair is really a Stool.


  13. lobo91
    13 | January 28, 2013 11:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Unlike the Saudis, the Egyptians do have some capability to do their own maintenance, as well. They have a plant that’s been building Abrams tanks for awhile now, so they at least have a basic undertanding of how they operate.

    The Saudis, on the other hand, have no interest in even learning. They just figure that they’ll always be able to bribe enough westerners to come in and keep their stuff running. Doing the work themselves isn’t something that even crosses their minds.


  14. song_and_dance_man
    14 | January 28, 2013 12:01 pm

    Alas, this is not a series of strange coincidences. These are the major points that define a Muslim — violent or nonviolent — as an Islamist. When you “partner” with Islamists, you are abetting the global jihad, not opposing it. When you arm Islamists, you become a willing participant in your own undoing.

    It is not a coincidence, but rather calculated malfeasance.


  15. 15 | January 28, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I reckon it is the same for their oil fields and even their de-salinazation plants. All they care about are maintaining Mecca and Medina. Everything that actually matters is work for the hired help.


  16. lobo91
    16 | January 28, 2013 12:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Saudis couldn’t keep a Toyota Camry running on their own.


  17. 17 | January 28, 2013 12:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Egypt has engineers.


  18. Speranza
    18 | January 28, 2013 12:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Andrew McCarthy is one of the few Conservatives who is intellectually honest about how both parties support the Muslim Brotherhood.

    He sure is.


  19. 19 | January 28, 2013 12:09 pm

    MOre on the Joy that is Egypt after the Arab Spring®:

    The situation in Egypt continues to darken; President Morsi has just declared a state of emergency and announced a curfew in three provinces following widespread riots. Hundreds of Egyptians have hit the streets in recent days to protest against President Mohamed Morsi and the death sentence handed down to 21 people for rioting at a soccer match. Forty-five people have died since the protests began on Thursday.

    Riots over riots! What a riot! And it goes on:

    Most Egyptians these days are poor, unemployed, and frustrated with both the current and the past leadership of the country. And since the beginning of the Arab Spring, Egypt has seen its currency plummet as investors flee. Unless these trends are reversed, the restlessness and violence is only likely to get worse.

    The latest outbreak of violence and the draconian measures now being taken to contain it only highlight the reality that neither Egypt’s government, its liberal opposition or its military guardians have any idea what to do. So far, Egypt hasn’t really seen a revolution. It’s seen faction-fighting and a change of regime, but society itself remains largely unchanged. Will that persist as the Muslim Brotherhood government is seen increasingly as unable to solve the country’s problems? It is much too soon to tell, but the government of Egypt is not standing on solid ground.

    Just as Morsi is worse than Mubarak, whatever follows the Muslim Brotherhood is likely to be worse. I don’t see a happy ending for this, but Obama must since he’s sending them all that advanced military hardware. Look, a squirrel!


  20. Speranza
    20 | January 28, 2013 12:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Egypt has engineers.

    Egypt has not had good engineers since the Pharoahs.


  21. 21 | January 28, 2013 12:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama and McCain wanted this. They own this monster.


  22. 22 | January 28, 2013 12:17 pm

    @ Speranza:

    he’s not with the whole spread Democracy crap.


  23. Speranza
    24 | January 28, 2013 12:23 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    #MyJihad in Egypt: Muslim group threatens Christians, tells them to pay jizya

    Crickets from the State Department.


  24. Speranza
    25 | January 28, 2013 12:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    he’s not with the whole spread Democracy crap.

    “Islam” prevents democracy.


  25. Speranza
    26 | January 28, 2013 12:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama and McCain wanted this. They own this monster.

    “My friends the rebels, they are my heroes”.”


  26. 27 | January 28, 2013 12:24 pm

    @ Speranza:

    They are Christians so they do not count.


  27. 28 | January 28, 2013 12:25 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I hate that senile old fart.


  28. citizen_q
    29 | January 28, 2013 12:37 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    mskelly wrote:
    #MyJihad in Egypt: Muslim group threatens Christians, tells them to pay jizya

    Crickets from the State Department.

    Though I often wonder if the State Department is simply purchased lock stock and barrel by arab and islamic interests, I wonder if the great minds running the show think that the way to quell jihadist violence against the US is to help birth a new caliphate thinking that will satisfy the muslim horde.


  29. 30 | January 28, 2013 12:38 pm

    This is a joke!

    Continuing Our Resilient Economic Recovery


  30. buzzsawmonkey
    31 | January 28, 2013 12:45 pm

    Much is being made of the Islamist rebels in Mali torching a library in Timbuktu with ancient manuscripts.

    Appalling as this act of vandalism is, remember that our own Congress has done something very similar by outlawing all children’s books printed prior to 1985 on the basis of bogus “safety” concerns, because of alleged traces of lead in the printing ink.

    As a result of this sale ban, older children’s books—many out of print, many containing superb illustrations—are no longer sold by used bookstores or by secondhand stores, which do not want to risk fines. Thousands of books, classics which most people here probably grew up on, are being discarded and pulped. And this act of cultural vandalism is all under the guise of “safety,” and being “for the children.”

    The Mali savages engaging in an act of violent destruction is deplorable. But it is also deplorable that a similar destruction is being accomplished by our own government after due deliberation under the guise of law.


  31. 32 | January 28, 2013 12:52 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Likewise they have destroyed hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, of valuable historic firearms rather than sell them to the unwashed masses. Thompson submachineguns, BARs, even 1911 .45s have been sent to the torches in the name of gun control. And that is just American weapons. Obama turned back efforts to re-import hundreds of thousands of M-1 Garands from South Korea. These are weapons that collectors would love to have. They aren’t weapons that are particularly well-suited to crimes of any type, and they only take an 8-round clip. Remember that when Obama claims that he is only against magazines that hold more than ten rounds.


  32. citizen_q
    33 | January 28, 2013 12:52 pm

    Iran has engineers

    Iran unveils finger amputating machine for use on thieves

    Photographs appearing to show a blindfolded man having his fingers severed by the mechanical amputation device have been published by an official Iranian press agency.

    According to the INSA news service, the prisoner used to demonstrate the brutal contraption had been convicted of theft and adultery by a court in Shiraz last Wednesday.

    A series of pictures show three masked officials, clad entirely in black, holding the man’s right hand in a vice while one turns a wheel operating the guillotine in the manner of a rotary saw.


  33. citizen_q
    34 | January 28, 2013 12:55 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Sorry, forgot to mention that the pictures in the linked article are a bit graphic just might not be nsfw.


  34. 35 | January 28, 2013 12:57 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Crickets or cheers. One or the other.


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    36 | January 28, 2013 12:58 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Iran unveils finger amputating machine for use on thieves

    “Engineers?” All they did was take the guillotine—a Western invention—and downsize it.


  36. 37 | January 28, 2013 1:01 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Such a shame considering the history of the Persian people.


  37. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | January 28, 2013 1:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Such a shame considering the history of the Persian people.

    They need a masked crusader to ride to their rescue. He could be called Zorro-aster, maybe…


  38. citizen_q
    39 | January 28, 2013 1:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Sorry, thought the sarcasm was implied.

    Saw this reported in another article last night where they spoke about this being a new invention, but did not have photographs.

    @ Rodan:
    Wasn’t it Churchil who said in his book The River war of islam that there was no stronger retrograde force on the planet?


  39. buzzsawmonkey
    40 | January 28, 2013 1:10 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Sorry, thought the sarcasm was implied.

    I’m slow sometimes…


  40. 41 | January 28, 2013 1:15 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Churchill hated Nazism, Communism and Islam.


  41. 42 | January 28, 2013 1:22 pm

    Delaware governor wants to make temporary tax increases permanent

    Democratic Delaware Gov. Jack Markell asked for a temporary tax increase in 2009. Now, in order to close the budget shortfall as a result of a 3.5 percent spending increase, he wants to make many of them permanent.

    “We first took a look at what kind of shortfall we were facing this year and what it looked like next year and believed that we had to do something on the revenue side,” Markell said. “This is the cleanest thing to do, to send a signal that this is where we are.”

    [....]

    “You cannot take employees and push them, and push them and push them forever,” Sen. Harris McDowell said. “Eventually you’ve got to recognize that as the employer and the employee you’

    re in the same boat and if it starts springing leaks, you all have to bail.

    Unreal!


  42. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | January 28, 2013 1:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Democratic Delaware Gov. Jack Markell asked for a temporary tax increase in 2009. Now, in order to close the budget shortfall as a result of a 3.5 percent spending increase, he wants to make many of them permanent.

    Maybe he should change his name to “Markup”…


  43. Da_Beerfreak
    44 | January 28, 2013 1:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ citizen_q:

    Churchill hated Nazism, Communism and Islam.

    Churchill hated and opposed all forms of Totalitarianism.
    He was a true believer of Freedom and Liberty.


  44. MikeA
    45 | January 28, 2013 1:31 pm

    @ Rodan:

    This sucks for me since I work in DE. I live in PA but have to pay the higher tax rate. PA is 3.15% but DE is 6.95%. Only good thing about DE is that they have no sales tax and they allow all the federal deductions on their tax forms. Still… I love paying tax in a state I don’t live in.


  45. 46 | January 28, 2013 1:31 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The Tax-and-Spend Democrats have returned in full force from wherever Bill Clinton exiled them to. Not that Clinton had anything against taxes, mind you, but we’ve gone for “The Era of Big Government is over” to the “Era of Bigger Government starts now”. Even Slick Willy didn’t rob a trillion dollars of “Stimulus” money a year out of the Treasury. Obama is a true Grand Master of the Art of Graft.


  46. 47 | January 28, 2013 1:33 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Tennessee has no State ncome tax. We have a pretty high sales tax, but no income tax. I think we have a dividend tax as well.


  47. 48 | January 28, 2013 1:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They are emboldened by their victory in 2012 and having no credible opposition. If anyone ever wondered how it is to live in a one party state, here ya go!


  48. 49 | January 28, 2013 1:43 pm

    @ MikeA:

    I love paying tax in a state I don’t live

    in.

    That’s horrible.


  49. yenta-fada
    50 | January 28, 2013 1:44 pm

    Re State taxes. Financial companies flee New York

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/wall_st_flees_ny_for_tax_free_fla_Q6e4qSDMUethpylfznC4tO


  50. citizen_q
    51 | January 28, 2013 1:46 pm

    Some jackass is no Rush right now saying that a collapsible stock will make an AR fully automatic.

    Who knew? Mine does not do that. I guess I got ripped off! //////


  51. yenta-fada
    52 | January 28, 2013 1:46 pm

    Sultan Knish has a great article on Conservatives building their own media.

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.ca/


  52. yenta-fada
    53 | January 28, 2013 1:47 pm

    @ Rodan:

    See my #52, if you have the opportunity now.


  53. Da_Beerfreak
    54 | January 28, 2013 2:01 pm

    Buttcrack’s destruction of National Security continues:
    Barack Obama To Shut Down Southern Air Defense Systems

    As the U.S. government continues to expand surveillance and monitoring systems to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars within the borders of the United States, a recent announcement regarding the country’s southern air defense systems is raising eyebrows.
    Our southern border is, in part, protected by the Tethered Aerostat Radar System (TARS), which utilizes moored balloons hovering at about 15,000 feet to identify low flying aircraft and missiles that may penetrate the border and cross into U.S. airspace.
    The system is utilized by the U.S. Air Force, North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and U.S. Customs and Border Protection for a number of missions including detection of drug smuggling and preservation of the air sovereignty of the continental United States.
    According to Exelis Systems Corporation, the company that built and jointly maintains TARS with the U.S. Air Force, the government has ordered a complete shutdown of Aerostat flight operations…


  54. 55 | January 28, 2013 2:02 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    They do make what is called a “bump-stck” that is supposed to simulate full-auto firing, but it isn’t a collapsable stock. It pulls the trigger for every round fired, though. It is simply a mechanism for (theoretically) pulling the trigger really fast. Because spray-and-pray really works… :roll:


  55. 56 | January 28, 2013 2:04 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Obama is, from all the evidence, pro-smuggler, both of the drug and human kind. And I think you can probably include the human traffickers in that equasion. He’s done everything in his power to make the Southern Border more porous to all kinds of smuggling.


  56. Mars
    57 | January 28, 2013 2:04 pm

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008D4WFEO?ie=UTF8&link_code=as3&camp=211163&creative=375279&creativeASIN=B008D4WFEO&tag=httpwwwblac07-20

    This book is free on Amazon today. Everyone should grab it for their PC, tablet, Ipad, phone, kindle, whatever. It’s simplistic and goofy, but it details the insanity around O with good humor and fun.

    Plus it helps encourage a former democrat that has started to see the light.

    I’ll try to catch a later busy thread too.


  57. Da_Beerfreak
    58 | January 28, 2013 2:07 pm

    Unless one is using a crew-served weapon, full-auto firing is vastly overrated.


  58. buzzsawmonkey
    59 | January 28, 2013 2:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Because spray-and-pray really works…

    Spray-and-pray is the sperm-distribution system in certain neighborhoods.


  59. Mars
    60 | January 28, 2013 2:09 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Sultan Knish has a great article on Conservatives building their own media.
    http://sultanknish.blogspot.ca/

    He’s right and wrong at the same time. Yes we need a better ground game. But, to disregard the power of the media offhandedly is a mistake we keep making.

    For a dying media they sure do seem to influence public opinion and awful lot. Taking what we can to spread the message is never a bad thing. The more low info voters that hear the message the better, I don’t really give a damn how they hear it.

    Knish is a genius, but on the media being unimportant, he’s dead wrong.


  60. 62 | January 28, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ Mars:

    Trump is trying to buy the NY Times. If he can pull that off, it can have a big impact.


  61. buzzsawmonkey
    63 | January 28, 2013 2:11 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    He’s done everything in his power to make the Southern Border more porous to all kinds of smuggling.

    He likes to smuggle up to Michelle, too. Buckets of ribs, mostly, but also tamales, kobe-beef burgers, french fries—all sorts of stuff.


  62. 64 | January 28, 2013 2:11 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Just did and agree with Mars.


  63. Mars
    65 | January 28, 2013 2:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hypocrite! Liberal!
    Brock’s Glock: In anti-gun DC, Media Matters for America gave bodyguard illegal weapons to guard founder David Brock


  64. 66 | January 28, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    decriminalize drugs and problem solved. But too many Conservatives love the Police State. You and I are a minority on the Right on this.


  65. 67 | January 28, 2013 2:13 pm

    @ Mars:

    I don’t even call them Liberal. They are Progressives.


  66. Mars
    68 | January 28, 2013 2:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Trump is trying to buy the NY Times. If he can pull that off, it can have a big impact.

    Yep, Knish is wrong. The NYT even with it’s huge drops in readership has a massive influence on the rest of the press, and it would be hard for them to switch to another quickly. Also, everyone keeps talking about how the newspaper readership has gone away and television viewers have gone away. Where do the talking heads think they went?

    They went to the internet versions of the SAME DAMN PAPERS AND TELEVISION NEWS they were already watching.


  67. 69 | January 28, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ Mars:

    The NYT even with it’s huge drops in readership has a massive influence on the rest of the press, and it would be hard for them to switch to another quickly. Also, everyone keeps talking about how the newspaper readership has gone away and television viewers have gone away. Where do the talking heads think they went?

    They went to the internet versions of the SAME DAMN PAPERS AND TELEVISION NEWS they were already watching.

    Exactly!


  68. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | January 28, 2013 2:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hypocrite!

    “Hipstercrite,” maybe?


  69. Mars
    71 | January 28, 2013 2:19 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_%28United_States,_1948%29

    Or communist.

    Even the earlier Progessive parties were people who split off from the Republicans because they wanted to Nationalize industry.

    Communists. Fascists.


  70. citizen_q
    72 | January 28, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I would not be surprised. However as we both know, it does not change the operation of the AR action, like maybe putting a new sear that allows full auto. Personally, not so sure about the auto-sear business. I am not a gunsmith, and have not looked at trying to make an AR full auto. I am not interested, while very fun to do (Issued a M16 when I was in the Army) I am more interested in what each bullet I fire is going, and am not rich enough to support a full-auto habit.

    Did you ever see that viral youtube video of that obese guy bump-firing his glock?

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Unless one is using a crew-served weapon, full-auto firing is vastly overrated.

    See above. Pretty much agree. Like I said though fun as heck, but not something I could afford. There are guys at a range that I sometimes go to, even in the Peoples Republik of MD, that legally own full-auto firearms that have allowed me to put a few rounds down range. One guy had M2 .50 cal. He wanted $5 a round I people wanted to give it a try. Adds up quick.


  71. 73 | January 28, 2013 2:24 pm

    @ Mars:

    American progressives like Teddy Roosevelt where National Socialists. The Democrats like Woodrow Wilson adopted International Socialism.


  72. 74 | January 28, 2013 2:24 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The Hipsters are very dangerous.


  73. 75 | January 28, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    It is a lot of fun, but as a practical matter its usefulness is limited. Not that I think the Federal Government should be making an issue out of it.


  74. 76 | January 28, 2013 2:28 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Did you ever see that viral youtube video of that obese guy bump-firing his glock?

    Never saw it. I don’t YouTube much except for music videos. Amature film has never thrilled me.


  75. 77 | January 28, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Unless it’s the Charles Johnson Juche video!

    :lol:


  76. Mars
    78 | January 28, 2013 2:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    American progressives like Teddy Roosevelt where National Socialists. The Democrats like Woodrow Wilson adopted International Socialism.

    You get that book yet? You’re going to love that section.


  77. Mars
    79 | January 28, 2013 2:38 pm

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100412510

    Busch: Could a Chicago ‘Quirky’ Democrat Help Rebuild the GOP?

    This is an interesting article. Don’t agree with everything that’s being said, but there’s some good substance here.


  78. citizen_q
    80 | January 28, 2013 2:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Unless it’s the Charles Johnson Juche video!

    speaking of the norks

    Famine-struck N Koreans ‘eating children’

    BTW, That is the UK Telegraph’s headline, not mine.


  79. Mars
    81 | January 28, 2013 2:41 pm

    http://www.space.com/19490-iran-launches-monkey-into-space-report.html

    This is not good.

    I thought space travel was forbidden because Mo said nothing except heaven exists up there.///


  80. Speranza
    82 | January 28, 2013 2:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Unless it’s the Charles Johnson Juche video!

    I can see Chuckles as one of those mountain men who live reclusive lives socked up on toiletries bought on Amazon.


  81. Speranza
    83 | January 28, 2013 2:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Trump is trying to buy the NY Times. If he can pull that off, it can have a big impact.

    Aint.Gonna.Happen.


  82. Da_Beerfreak
    84 | January 28, 2013 2:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    It is a lot of fun, but as a practical matter its usefulness is limited. Not that I think the Federal Government should be making an issue out of it.

    I don’t for an instance deny that full-auto isn’t fun. I wouldn’t pass up an opportunity to fire one myself. My Dad taught me years ago that if you have to take two shots at a target you’re wasting one. Dad was an old farm boy and a WWII vet.


  83. citizen_q
    85 | January 28, 2013 2:46 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Sorry about that, the article I linked to was from 2003.

    Color me embarrassed. I thought I saw an article on Drudge overnight while working late and waiting on my DBA. Did not see it on Drudge and searched.


  84. Da_Beerfreak
    86 | January 28, 2013 2:49 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    I just saw that article on Free Republic earlier today.
    Now I have to go back and look for it again. :mrgreen:


  85. 87 | January 28, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Nope. Trump lives to get his name in the papers, but the NYT isn’;t going to be on the auction block for a while. If, however, their readership continues to tank, all bets are off. There’s nothing sacred about the NYT. They’ve already sold their position as a “Paperof Record” for Democrat Party talking points.


  86. 88 | January 28, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ Mars:

    Not yet. I’ll get it this week.


  87. 89 | January 28, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Probably not since the NY times has an agenda. See how Al Gore refused to sell Current to Glenn Beck.


  88. gizbot7
    90 | January 28, 2013 2:58 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008D4WFEO?ie=UTF8&link_code=as3&camp=211163&creative=375279&creativeASIN=B008D4WFEO&tag=httpwwwblac07-20

    This book is free on Amazon today. Everyone should grab it for their PC, tablet, Ipad, phone, kindle, whatever. It’s simplistic and goofy, but it details the insanity around O with good humor and fun.

    Plus it helps encourage a former democrat that has started to see the light.

    I’ll try to catch a later busy thread too.

    Thanks for the info! Just downloaded to my Kindle and just from reading the info on it, looks like it’s gonna be a fun read. :-)


  89. Da_Beerfreak
    91 | January 28, 2013 3:04 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    I just saw that article on Free Republic earlier today.
    Now I have to go back and look for it again.

    Found it. New article from the (UK) Sun.
    Starving North Koreans ‘are forced to eat their children’

    HUNGRY parents in North Korea have been caught eating their CHILDREN to avoid starvation, according to reports.
    One father is said to have been executed by firing squad for killing his two kids for food.
    And it has sparked fears there could be further cases of cannibalism in the country…


  90. 92 | January 28, 2013 3:05 pm

    @ Rodan:

    But Gore would sell Current TV to al Jazeera. That tells you all you need to know about Al Gore’s agenda. It wasn’t just the money. Current TV had to go to an American enemy so they’d stay focusedon the things that Gore cares about.


  91. 93 | January 28, 2013 3:06 pm

    New thread.


  92. citizen_q
    94 | January 28, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Thanks! I knew I saw that article somewhere. Though I must admit I don’t snap back from these 2am work sessions as easily as I used to.


  93. Da_Beerfreak
    95 | January 28, 2013 3:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    New thread.

    It’s not showing up on the main page.


  94. 96 | January 28, 2013 3:11 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    New thread.

    It’s not showing up on the main page.

    It is showing up with YESTERDAY’S date.


  95. 97 | January 28, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Left and Globalist Right (more on that later) is allied with islam.

    Check your mail when you get a chance.


  96. 98 | January 28, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    @ 1389AD:

    Fixed.


  97. Mars
    99 | January 28, 2013 3:14 pm

    gizbot7 wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008D4WFEO?ie=UTF8&link_code=as3&camp=211163&creative=375279&creativeASIN=B008D4WFEO&tag=httpwwwblac07-20
    This book is free on Amazon today. Everyone should grab it for their PC, tablet, Ipad, phone, kindle, whatever. It’s simplistic and goofy, but it details the insanity around O with good humor and fun.
    Plus it helps encourage a former democrat that has started to see the light.
    I’ll try to catch a later busy thread too.

    Thanks for the info! Just downloaded to my Kindle and just from reading the info on it, looks like it’s gonna be a fun read.

    It seems to be good from the little bit I checked out. It’s got a really light hearted sense of humor.


  98. Da_Beerfreak
    100 | January 28, 2013 3:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    @ 1389AD:

    Fixed.

    Much gooder…


  99. darkwords
    101 | January 28, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ 32 Iron Fist:
    Book Burning is a good lever for the pro Second Amendment people to use. It has a long established polarity in the American consciousness. The NRA needs to attach the book burner label to Obama and the Mayors doing this. Then ask them if they are going to burn Korans next.

    A national straw man. That they have to make up an answer for.


  100. Mars
    102 | January 28, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ darkwords:
    Since the entirety of the leftist arguments are straw men, I don’t see why we can’t use our own.


  101. darkwords
    103 | January 28, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ 57 Mars: About 10 seconds to obtain it with Amazon Prime one click. no cost after the Prime subscription. Amazon Prime has saved me a lot of money. The $80 pays for itself if one is active.


  102. Mars
    104 | January 28, 2013 3:35 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 57 Mars: About 10 seconds to obtain it with Amazon Prime one click. no cost after the Prime subscription. Amazon Prime has saved me a lot of money. The $80 pays for itself if one is active.

    I suggested it to everyone mainly because it doesn’t require Prime. I like one click shopping. I am using the Prime trial right now, but I haven’t seen a real reason to keep it yet, I don’t order many physical objects from there, the free movie and tv selection isn’t great, and the book checkout is nice, but I get over a dozen free books from amazon every day anyway, so I’m way behind in my reading.


  103. Speranza
    105 | January 28, 2013 4:03 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008D4WFEO?ie=UTF8&link_code=as3&camp=211163&creative=375279&creativeASIN=B008D4WFEO&tag=httpwwwblac07-20
    This book is free on Amazon today. Everyone should grab it for their PC, tablet, Ipad, phone, kindle, whatever. It’s simplistic and goofy, but it details the insanity around O with good humor and fun.
    Plus it helps encourage a former democrat that has started to see the light.
    I’ll try to catch a later busy thread too.

    Thanks for the heads up. I just ordered it.


  104. Mars
    106 | January 28, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ Speranza:
    It looks worth it.

    If anyone is interested, I get dozens of free books every day from amazon. In fact I managed over the last few months to get a whole collection of history books from the VFW on there.

    Go to http://www.freestufftimes.com and check every day. You’ll never run out of free reading material.


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