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How the press soft-pedaled Adolf Hitler

by Speranza ( 173 Comments › )
Filed under Germany, History, Media, World War II at January 30th, 2013 - 2:00 pm

Today marks the 80th anniversary of Adolf Hitler being appointed Chancellor of Germany. Contrary to may beliefs, Adolf Hitler never seized power, in fact he was handed power right after the Nazi Party lost 3 million votes in the 1932 elections. Hitler obtained total control over Germany in 1934 when after the death of President Paul von Hindenburg, he combined the office of President and Chancellor into the title of Fuhrer. There are eerie parallels in today’s world between the attempts to pass off Islamofascists such as Mohammad Morsi,  Ahmadinejad,  Hamas, and Sheik Nasrallah (Hezboallah) leaders as “moderates”, with the way the press whitewashed Hitler.

by Rafael Medoff

“There is at least one official voice in Europe that expresses understanding of the methods and motives of President Roosevelt—the voice of Germany, as represented by Chancellor Adolf Hitler.”

That incredible statement was the opening line of a flattering feature story about the Nazi leader that appeared on the front page of the New York Times in 1933, and was typical of some early press coverage of Hitler, who rose to power 80 years ago on Jan. 30.

Hitler’s ascent caught much of the world by surprise. As late as May 1928, the Nazis had won less than 3 percent of the vote in elections to the Reichstag, Germany’s parliament, and the Nazi party’s candidate for president received barely 1 percent of the votes in March 1929. But as Germany’s economic and social crises worsened, the Nazis garnered 18.3 percent of the vote in the parliamentary election of July 1930. They doubled that total two years later, becoming the largest party in the Reichstag.

Negotiations between the Nazis and other parties then produced a coalition government, with Hitler as chancellor.  [.......]

A ‘moderate’ Hitler?

Relatively little was known in America about Hitler, and many leading newspapers predicted that the Nazis would not turn out to be as bad as some feared.

An editorial in the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin on Jan. 30 claimed that “there have been indications of moderation” on Hitler’s part. The editors of the Cleveland Press, on Jan. 31, asserted that the “appointment of Hitler as German chancellor may not be such a threat to world peace as it appears at first blush.”

Officials of the Roosevelt administration were quoted in the press as saying they “had faith that Hitler would act with moderation compared to the extremist agitation [i]n his recent election campaigning…  [........].”

A wave of terror

In the weeks following, however, events on the ground contradicted those optimistic forecasts. Outbursts of anti-Jewish violence were tolerated, and often encouraged and assisted, by the Nazi regime.

In early March, for example, the Chicago Tribune published an eyewitness account of “bands of Nazis throughout Germany carr[ying] out wholesale raids to intimidate the opposition, particularly the Jews.” Victims were “hit over the heads with blackjacks, dragged out of their homes in night clothes and otherwise molested,” with many Jews “taken off to jail and put to work in a concentration camp.”

The following month, the New York Evening Post reported that the Nazis had launched “a violent campaign of murderous agitation” against Germany’s Jews: “An indeterminate number of Jews… have been killed. [.......] All of Germany’s 600,000 Jews are in terror.”

The Hitler regime was determined to eliminate the Jewish community from German society. During the Nazis’ first weeks in power, violence and intimidation were used to force Jewish judges, attorneys, journalists, university professors, and orchestra conductors and musicians out of their jobs.

A law passed on April 7 required the dismissal of Jews from all government jobs. [.......] The government even sponsored a one-day nationwide boycott of Jewish businesses, with Nazi storm troopers stationed outside Jewish-owned stores to prevent customers from entering.

Hitler’s ‘sensitive hand’

Nevertheless, in July 1933, nearly six months after Hitler’s rise to power, the New York Times ran a front-page feature about the Fuhrer that presented him in a flattering light. For Hitler, it was a golden opportunity to soften his image by praising President Roosevelt as well as a platform to deliver lengthy justifications of his totalitarian policies and attacks on Jews.

The article, titled “Hitler Seeks Jobs for All Germans,” began with Hitler’s remark that FDR was looking out “for the best interests and welfare of the people of the United States.” He added, “I have sympathy with President Roosevelt because he marches straight toward his objective over Congress, over lobbies, over stubborn bureaucracies.”

The story was based on an interview with the Nazi leader by Times correspondent Anne O’Hare McCormick. She gave Hitler paragraph after paragraph to explain his policies as necessary to address Germany’s unemployment, improve its roads, and promote national unity. The Times correspondent lobbed the Nazi chief softball questions such as “What character in history do you admire most, Caesar, Napoleon, or Frederick the Great?”

McCormick also described Hitler’s appearance and mannerisms in a strongly positive tone: Hitler is “a rather shy and simple man, younger than one expects, more robust, taller… [.........]… Herr Hitler has the sensitive hand of the artist.”

Whatever her intentions, articles like McCormick’s helped dull the American public’s awareness of the dangers of Nazism. The image of a pro-American moderate undermined the chances for mobilizing serious international opposition to Hitler during the early months of his regime.

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  1. 1 | January 30, 2013 2:14 pm

    The New York Times also soft-peddled Josef Stalin. I really don’t know why that rag was ever considered a “Paper of Record”. Even before Jason Blair there was Walter Duranty.


  2. 2 | January 30, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They created Fidel Castro also.


  3. Mars
    3 | January 30, 2013 2:28 pm

    Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Mussolini, Roosevelt himself, Wilson, Obama.

    The press will give soft reporting to anyone they think is within their belief pattern.

    Then they act surprised when the person reveals their totalitarian tendencies.


  4. 4 | January 30, 2013 2:37 pm

    Obama Regime blames Republicans for economic contraction.


  5. Mars
    5 | January 30, 2013 2:41 pm

    This is especially hilarious considering the talking points they were sent yesterday told them to call the talk shows and declare the biggest GDP jump in several months.

    One after another was calling the shows talking about how the Obama economy was working and the report was going to show a huge jump.


  6. Da_Beerfreak
    6 | January 30, 2013 2:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama Regime blames Republicans for economic contraction.

    Obama Regime blames Republicans for flat beer too… :roll:


  7. 7 | January 30, 2013 2:49 pm

    @ Mars:

    Instead it was a flop!


  8. 8 | January 30, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I saw some people at a Lefty blog blaming Bush.


  9. 9 | January 30, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Real conservatives don’t let beer get flat or warm, either. Although they will drink it that way if there’s nothing else.


  10. 10 | January 30, 2013 2:58 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Warm beer is the Breakfast of Champions®…


  11. Mars
    11 | January 30, 2013 2:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Instead it was a flop!

    And the sad part is, all those libs who got their marching orders yesterday will not bother to question why they were told one thing but another happened. It will never occur to them that they were lied to for convenience.


  12. 12 | January 30, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Just check for cigarette butts first…


  13. darkwords
    13 | January 30, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ 8 Rodan: Which Bush or do they go back to a “Burning Bush” as the cause of all of humanity’s problems?


  14. 14 | January 30, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ Mars:

    Obama didn’t lie to them! The economy is marching in a retrograde fashion. This isn’t the same as a retreat… 8O


  15. 15 | January 30, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Mars:

    The Outsider was on this morning saying the contraction is no big deal. Another Leftist said this is the best contraction ever. Another Lefty loon said under Bush the economy contracted 3% and under Obama only .01%!


  16. darkwords
    16 | January 30, 2013 3:05 pm

    It’s important to label Obama and his supporters as “hysterical”. And polarize them as individuals. And not let up. That is the lever to change the country for the better. Make people think they don’t want to be perceived as “hysterical”. anytime they complain call them “hysterical”. When Obama uses the word now. Ask him “why? Really why? You can’t use the time honored process? Are you hysterical Obama in your rush to judge everything and avoid inspection?”


  17. darkwords
    17 | January 30, 2013 3:06 pm

    @ Rodan: Leftst practice value added economics. and if they have spent all their lives deceiving their economics reflects their thoughts.


  18. 18 | January 30, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Obama’s Recession isn’t as big as Bush’s? But Bush hadn’t just pumped four trillion dollars into the economy to pump up the economy (not counting all the money Bernanke has printed). You’d think Obama would have gotten something for four trillion dollars. Like a new Navy…


  19. heysoos
    19 | January 30, 2013 3:08 pm

    another $100b down the tubes and it’s just the tip of the iceberg…
    that’s a lot of vodka and gatoraid


  20. 21 | January 30, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ darkwords:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Mars:

    The economy can contract, Unemployment can skyrocket and income continue to decline. It will nopt matter. The American public loves Obama.

    Fully 60 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of Obama in the new poll, up slightly from October but a clear shift in opinion from an election year in which his ratings hovered in the mid-to-low 50s. And by 39 percent to 26 percent, the president now has more “strongly” positive ratings than strongly negative reviews, breaking a two-year stretch in which intense opposition was on par with (or higher than) intense support.


  21. 22 | January 30, 2013 3:09 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ Rodan: Leftst practice value added economics. and if they have spent all their lives deceiving their economics reflects their thoughts.

    They will make excuses for a recession and get away with it.


  22. 23 | January 30, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The people love Obama.


  23. 24 | January 30, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Rasmussen still has him at a negative six, though he says 53% of the people at least somewhat approve of Obama’s performance. I question that polls’ accuracy. It is in the Washington Post, after all, which isn’t really any better than the New York Times. It is an organ of Democrat Propaganda, not a news source.


  24. Mars
    25 | January 30, 2013 3:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The Outsider was on this morning saying the contraction is no big deal. Another Leftist said this is the best contraction ever. Another Lefty loon said under Bush the economy contracted 3% and under Obama only .01%!

    Rewriting history isn’t enough anymore. Reality has to be rewritten to support the Pharaoh.


  25. Mars
    26 | January 30, 2013 3:15 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    It’s important to label Obama and his supporters as “hysterical”. And polarize them as individuals. And not let up. That is the lever to change the country for the better. Make people think they don’t want to be perceived as “hysterical”. anytime they complain call them “hysterical”. When Obama uses the word now. Ask him “why? Really why? You can’t use the time honored process? Are you hysterical Obama in your rush to judge everything and avoid inspection?”

    Hmm, Isolate, Ridicule, minimize, label.

    Where have I heard that before?

    However, I’m one of those that thinks we can use this without becoming what we fight.


  26. Speranza
    27 | January 30, 2013 3:15 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The New York Times also soft-peddled Josef Stalin. I really don’t know why that rag was ever considered a “Paper of Record”. Even before Jason Blair there was Walter Duranty.

    The New York Times never met a tyrant it did not heartily approve of.


  27. Speranza
    28 | January 30, 2013 3:16 pm

    The attempt to soft pedal Islamic extremists has eerie parallels from 80 years ago.


  28. Speranza
    29 | January 30, 2013 3:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They created Fidel Castro also.

    Herbert Matthews mimicking Walter Duranty.


  29. taxfreekiller
    30 | January 30, 2013 3:16 pm

    ms tfk and her buddies working on U.S. Senate races of 2014.

    They think the tea party/conservtives/NRA should work on these races.

    Alaska,,, Mark Begich can be beat
    Colorado, Mark Udall can be beat
    Deaware,,,Chris Coons possible,,
    Illinois,,Durbin should be beat,,, who?
    Iowa,,,,,,Tom Harkin retiring,,,who?
    Lousiana,,Mary Landrieu,,,can be beat, La. purchase
    Mass.,,,,,Kerry quit,,, run the RINO one more time.??
    Michigan,,Carl Levin,,, can be beat
    Minnesota,Al’s a freak,,,should be beat
    New Hamshire,Jeanne Shaheen, who ever heard of her,, possible
    New Mexico, Tom Udall,,, can be beat
    North Car. Kay Hagan,,, can be beat
    Oregan ,,, Jeff Merkley can be beat

    LINDSEY RINO PUNK GRAHAM,, MUST BE BEAT,,,, WHO???

    S. Dakota,,,Tim Johnson can be beat

    John Cornyn,,, guy worries us here in Texas, possible another Tea Party real conservative can do this .

    Virginia ,, Mark Warner,,, can be beat
    W. Virgina,,Jay Rockefeller,,, (Shelley Capito) R running is she ok

    16 possibles of the D’s

    2 RINO’s that could vote with the D’s

    What think you
    and

    We have to get to work now she says and put in as many R’s as possible


  30. Speranza
    31 | January 30, 2013 3:18 pm

    The article, titled “Hitler Seeks Jobs for All Germans,” began with Hitler’s remark that FDR was looking out “for the best interests and welfare of the people of the United States.” He added, “I have sympathy with President Roosevelt because he marches straight toward his objective over Congress, over lobbies, over stubborn bureaucracies.”

    In 1975 after Phnom Penh fell to the Khmer Rouge, The New York Times had an article entitled “For Most Cambodians, A Better Life”.


  31. 32 | January 30, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Of course with Tommy Troll, you know he read it somewhere else. Once challenged he scampers off -- never, EVER answers a question put to him. Probably because Mom’s called him to get on the school bus.


  32. Mars
    33 | January 30, 2013 3:18 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    ms tfk and her buddies working on U.S. Senate races of 2014.
    They think the tea party/conservtives/NRA should work on these races.
    Alaska,,, Mark Begich can be beat
    Colorado, Mark Udall can be beat
    Deaware,,,Chris Coons possible,,
    Illinois,,Durbin should be beat,,, who?
    Iowa,,,,,,Tom Harkin retiring,,,who?
    Lousiana,,Mary Landrieu,,,can be beat, La. purchase
    Mass.,,,,,Kerry quit,,, run the RINO one more time.??
    Michigan,,Carl Levin,,, can be beat
    Minnesota,Al’s a freak,,,should be beat
    New Hamshire,Jeanne Shaheen, who ever heard of her,, possible
    New Mexico, Tom Udall,,, can be beat
    North Car. Kay Hagan,,, can be beat
    Oregan ,,, Jeff Merkley can be beat
    LINDSEY RINO PUNK GRAHAM,, MUST BE BEAT,,,, WHO???
    S. Dakota,,,Tim Johnson can be beat
    John Cornyn,,, guy worries us here in Texas, possible another Tea Party real conservative can do this .
    Virginia ,, Mark Warner,,, can be beat
    W. Virgina,,Jay Rockefeller,,, (Shelley Capito) R running is she ok
    16 possibles of the D’s
    2 RINO’s that could vote with the D’s
    What think you
    and
    We have to get to work now she says and put in as many R’s as possible

    Sounds good. I’m glad there’s some hope out there.

    My state is stuck with two tyrannical dem senators because our senior citizens are resistant to change.


  33. 34 | January 30, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    We didn’t believe the polls that showed the Democrats with a 6 point turnout advantage or polls showing Obama beating Romney. They were right. I do not doubt this poll. I fear Obama has become an icon. He has smashed the GOP and now looks like a hero to Americans.

    The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex along with Santorum and Akins have turned the GOP into the bad guy in most Americans mind.


  34. 35 | January 30, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ Mars:

    It is a tactic, just as Sherman’s march through Georgia was a tactic. It should be part of the overall strategy, but you aren’t demeaned by using the tactics of the enemy. He has, after all, set the ground rules that you are fighting under, or at least he has in this case. We are 40 years late getting to th eParty. We need every winning tactic that we can find.


  35. Mars
    36 | January 30, 2013 3:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The article, titled “Hitler Seeks Jobs for All Germans,” began with Hitler’s remark that FDR was looking out “for the best interests and welfare of the people of the United States.” He added, “I have sympathy with President Roosevelt because he marches straight toward his objective over Congress, over lobbies, over stubborn bureaucracies.”
    In 1975 after Phnom Penh fell to the Khmer Rouge, The New York Times had an article entitled “For Most Cambodians, A Better Life”.

    I was going to mention the Khmer but, wasn’t sure of an exact example.


  36. 37 | January 30, 2013 3:19 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Of course with Tommy Troll, you know he read it somewhere else. Once challenged he scampers off — never, EVER answers a question put to him. Probably because Mom’s called him to get on the school bus.

    I am going to sign up for OFA’s email talking points.


  37. 38 | January 30, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    TFK- of course with Franken, if the Sec’y of State that was in power in 2008 is still there, if Smiley loses, they’ll be pulling ballots out of ice fishing holes to make sure he wins again.


  38. 39 | January 30, 2013 3:20 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Hitler was viewed as a Progressive/Socialist until June 22nd 1941.


  39. taxfreekiller
    40 | January 30, 2013 3:20 pm

    commies love Obama

    30% of Americans have turned this liar two party evil money cult off and go about their lives the best they can knowing sooner or later the msm/commie/rino deal will fail total, they are making ready,

    likely at gun stores now, it will be the only other way to vote…in time @ Rodan:


  40. 41 | January 30, 2013 3:21 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Tell her to please not to support any Akins/Murdoch/Angle/O’Donnell/Buck type candidates. I don’t want the Republicans to go under 40 seats.


  41. Speranza
    42 | January 30, 2013 3:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    The Outsider was on this morning saying the contraction is no big deal. Another Leftist said this is the best contraction ever. Another Lefty loon said under Bush the economy contracted 3% and under Obama only .01%!

    Yeah he predicted great things ahead.


  42. 43 | January 30, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Arm up and prepare, that is what I tell people. Look after yourself. Both parties are Globalists and beholden to Saudi Arabia/Qatar/Muslim Brotherhood.


  43. Mars
    44 | January 30, 2013 3:23 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Of course with Tommy Troll, you know he read it somewhere else. Once challenged he scampers off — never, EVER answers a question put to him. Probably because Mom’s called him to get on the school bus.

    It’s obvious where he got it. If you write to any dem politician you get put on an email list, these lists carry point by point talking points that allow for no deviation of thought.

    I finally just had to block all the bastards, unsubscribe didn’t work.

    At first it was interesting seeing inside their system, but then I realized just how sick and backwards their whole thing is and couldn’t do it anymore.


  44. buzzsawmonkey
    45 | January 30, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Left you some links @ #87, last thread.


  45. Speranza
    46 | January 30, 2013 3:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:
    Tell her to please not to support any Akins/Murdoch/Angle/O’Donnell/Buck type candidates. I don’t want the Republicans to go under 40 seats.

    There is a reason why they are called The Stupid Party.


  46. Mars
    47 | January 30, 2013 3:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Mars:
    It is a tactic, just as Sherman’s march through Georgia was a tactic. It should be part of the overall strategy, but you aren’t demeaned by using the tactics of the enemy. He has, after all, set the ground rules that you are fighting under, or at least he has in this case. We are 40 years late getting to th eParty. We need every winning tactic that we can find.

    I fully agree. A weapon itself isn’t evil, evil is in the purpose for it’s utilization. In this case it is in service to the opposition of evil.

    I’m a big fan.


  47. citizen_q
    48 | January 30, 2013 3:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    In 1975 after Phnom Penh fell to the Khmer Rouge, The New York Times had an article entitled “For Most Cambodians, A Better Life”.

    The Khmer Rouge, weren’t those the guys that murdered people wearing glasses because intellectuals wore glasses?

    Looking at the the Times record with regard to totalitarians it’s a wonder it has survived for so long. It’s not fit to wrap fish or line birdcages.


  48. 49 | January 30, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have been advocating using the tactics of Saul Alinsky. But most Republican leaning people and the Party are against this.


  49. 50 | January 30, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Bobby Jindal said it best!


  50. Speranza
    51 | January 30, 2013 3:29 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    The Khmer Rouge, weren’t those the guys that murdered people wearing glasses because intellectuals wore glasses?

    Looking at the the Times record with regard to totalitarians it’s a wonder it has survived for so long. It’s not fit to wrap fish or line birdcages.

    The Times also refused to recognize the Holocausts main victims as Jews.


  51. Speranza
    52 | January 30, 2013 3:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Bobby Jinadal said it best!

    They are The Stupid Party, no question about it.


  52. darkwords
    53 | January 30, 2013 3:31 pm

    @ 21 Rodan: Most of the libs encountering a hardship can’t fathom that Obama is the cause so they look anyplace else.


  53. 54 | January 30, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hey Buzzy -- I saw them! Didn’t get a chance to say thanks and tell you how much I enjoyed them.


  54. Da_Beerfreak
    55 | January 30, 2013 3:32 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:

    TFK- of course with Franken, if the Sec’y of State that was in power in 2008 is still there, if Smiley loses, they’ll be pulling ballots out of ice fishing holes to make sure he wins again.

    The only Party the Minnesota State GOPee will fight is the TEA Party. Don’t expect much out of Minnesota.


  55. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | January 30, 2013 3:35 pm

    I’m NRA you hate, I am
    NRA you hate, I am, I am
    I own guns and I want to buy more
    You keep asking what I need ‘em for
    But thanks to the Second Amendment (Amendment!)
    It’s none of your business what I need (Indeed!)
    Whether for sport or personal defendment
    NRA you hate I a-a-a-a-am
    NRA you hate I am

    Second verse, same as the first!
    A little bit louder, and a little bit worse!

    I’m NRA you hate, I am
    NRA you hate, I am, I am
    I own guns and I want to buy more
    You keep asking what I need ‘em for
    But thanks to the Second Amendment (Amendment!)
    It’s none of your business what I need (Indeed!)
    Whether for sport or personal defendment
    NRA you hate I a-a-a-a-am
    NRA you hate I am


  56. 57 | January 30, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Let me guess. The Times says the main victims were gay, don’t they? Typical.


  57. 58 | January 30, 2013 3:36 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 21 Rodan: Most of the libs encountering a hardship can’t fathom that Obama is the cause so they look anyplace else.

    They love him.


  58. darkwords
    59 | January 30, 2013 3:37 pm

    @ 49 Rodan: There is a right way to do it and a wrong way. Same as using a gun. Would those same repubs then be against using a gun because a few people don’t use them right? One could make the same case about aggregation of information as violating a sense of privacy about the individual, but the person that doesn’t do it probably can’t win an election. the other side will be there first and faster and slicker and better and as a winner. no one wants to back a loser. The Gop’rs who can’t grasp an improved Alinsky method for the Gop are not the people we want in leadership. Alinsky wanted bad things to happen, the GoP fundamentally doesn’t need to accept that part of the Alinsky method. They do have to be able to place doubt on Obama. And it has to be an exaggerated doubt. But it can have a basis in truth.


  59. citizen_q
    60 | January 30, 2013 3:37 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Yes, I remember reading some weak rationalization about not wanting be known as a Jewish paper.


  60. buzzsawmonkey
    61 | January 30, 2013 3:37 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Hey Buzzy — I saw them!

    Glad you liked ‘em! Just keeping you up to date.


  61. 62 | January 30, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Well said!


  62. citizen_q
    63 | January 30, 2013 3:41 pm

    O/T Rhetorical question.

    If IDs for voting is racist and a violation of civil rights, why are all road-blocks to firearms ownership in place and being discussed not?

    Dang, I wish the talk radio stations I stream would not subscribe to liberal news outfits for their top and bottom of the hour reporting.


  63. lobo91
    64 | January 30, 2013 3:44 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    If IDs for voting is racist and a violation of civil rights, why are all road-blocks to firearms ownership in place and being discussed not?

    Because they know those laws won’t actually affect the ability of black gangbangers to acquire guns?


  64. 65 | January 30, 2013 3:45 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Gun control laws do disproportionally target minorities and the poor. Even that great “compromise” of not letting felons purchase firearms disproportionately hits blacks and hispanics. Not a word is said of that because the Left like it that way. It was a combination of the assassinations of MLK and Bobby Kennedy and fear of the Black Panthers that led to the 1968 Gun Control Act that spawned that. The Left aren’t above using racisimto sell what they can, and the MFM will let them get away with it. As I’ve said before, gun right asre Civil Rights. There is no difference between targeting them and supporting segregation.


  65. 66 | January 30, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Did you see this?

    It’s getting easier to get away with shooting people in Chicago.

    Last year, gunmen who shot and wounded someone got away without criminal charges 94 percent of the time, according to a DNAinfo.com Chicago analysis of police data.

    That’s even worse than 2011, when 91.5 percent of shooters escaped charges, according to the data.

    Chicago’s top cop said the “no-snitch” code of silence on the street is the biggest contributor in his department’s struggle to charge shooters.

    “The challenges we have to get charges in a significant number of cases is very difficult when witnesses and victims choose not to cooperate,” Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy said in an interview with DNAinfo.com Chicago.

    “To make cases prosecutable we need cooperative witnesses — and those go out the window right up front. We have a victim today who is an offender tomorrow. It’s a vicious circle. There are a lot of people who are not going to cooperate,” he said. “That’s why we have to take on the no-snitch issue.”

    In 2012, Chicago police cleared 211 aggravated battery with a firearm cases — 11 percent of the 1,893 incidents where someone was shot and wounded during the calendar year.

    But of those cases, only 111 shootings — about 6 percent — resulted in charges.

    Now, Rahm woulfd personally arrest me if I showed up in Chicago with a gun, but black gangbangers shooting ech other are more useful to him outside of jail. They provide his most compelling case for gun control, while in actuality they demonstrate its ultimate futility if you are interested in lowering the crime rate. I honestly don’t think that the Democrats are interested in lowering the crime rate, though.


  66. citizen_q
    67 | January 30, 2013 3:53 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ Iron Fist:
    I think for various reasons progressives want a certain level and kind of lawlessness.


  67. 68 | January 30, 2013 3:54 pm

    @ lobo91:

    But they effect the ability of law abiding Blacks to get gun ownership. I wish this point would be made more often.


  68. citizen_q
    69 | January 30, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    GMTA! :-)


  69. 70 | January 30, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Gun Control is racist.


  70. 71 | January 30, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ Rodan:

    McDonald in Chicago is black. I haven’t heard whether or not he has ever actually been able to buy a gun despite the Supreme Court finding in his favor. People like the NAACP don’t care if blacks are discriminated against by gun control laws. They simply don’t.


  71. 72 | January 30, 2013 4:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    People like the NAACP don’t care if blacks are discriminated against by gun control laws. They simply don’t.

    The NAACP is nothing more than Overseers to make sure Blacks stay as Democrat voters. That is all they are about. It’s a shame the Right is dysfunctional and could not make a racial case against Gun Control.


  72. buzzsawmonkey
    73 | January 30, 2013 4:06 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    black gangbangers shooting ech other are more useful to him outside of jail. They provide his most compelling case for gun control

    and they get out the vote.


  73. Da_Beerfreak
    74 | January 30, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    It has never occurred to these so called leader to consider the simple fact that the witnesses and victims have no way to defend themselves if they do cooperate with a police force that will not protect them.

    The “no-snitch” code of silence is the only protection these people have against the criminals.


  74. taxfreekiller
    75 | January 30, 2013 4:15 pm

    Rush, Hannity, Savage, Levin, all the national conservative talk shows together with the local conservative talks shows they carry the whole load of cost and profit for all of the stations and networks, the msm lie news is paid for by conservatives. Without conservative talk shows msm network news would have been out of bussiness years ago.

    Not smart at all imho.@ citizen_q:


  75. Mars
    76 | January 30, 2013 4:18 pm

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/is-fox-news-really-different/

    And finally someone comes forward with what I have been saying for years.


  76. heysoos
    77 | January 30, 2013 4:19 pm

    deterrmine what the donk weaknesses are and exploit them…they are deceitful and irrational so get in their face and pound away…they are target rich, but you have to take it to them, otherwise they sit back and define the rules and the laguage


  77. taxfreekiller
    78 | January 30, 2013 4:19 pm

    On second thinking, out of the profit bussiness and run by and on our tax money dole from D.C. like PBR/NPR.@ taxfreekiller:


  78. heysoos
    79 | January 30, 2013 4:19 pm

    deterrmine what the donk weaknesses are and exploit them…they are deceitful and irrational so get in their face and pound away…they are target rich, but you have to take it to them, otherwise they sit back and define the rules and the language


  79. lobo91
    80 | January 30, 2013 4:23 pm

    Hillary Clinton On Egypt: “We Must Make Sure The Revolution Isn’t Hijacked By Extremists”…

    Hillary Clinton went ‘On the Record’ with Greta Van Susteren in her final days as secretary of state. Regarding the escalating crisis in the Middle East, particularly in Egypt, Van Susteren asked Clinton her thoughts on what’s going to unfold and if the U.S. should intervene.

    Clinton said, “I think that post the Arab revolutions that took place in Egypt, and Libya, and Tunisia, […] there was always going to be a period of adjustment.”

    She said the U.S. must work with the international community and the people in Egypt to ensure that the revolution isn’t hijacked by extremists. Clinton acknowledged that “it’s hard” to go from decades under one man or one party rule to democracy.

    I guess it depends on the meaning of “extremists”…
    //


  80. lobo91
    81 | January 30, 2013 4:25 pm

    Just a coincidence, I’m sure…

    Ronald Reagan’s Childhood Chicago Home Set To Be Demolished And Turned Into A Parking Lot For Possible Obama’s Presidential Library…

    The Chicago home where the late President Ronald Reagan grew up is slated to be demolished and potentially turned into a parking lot for President Obama’s Library, it was revealed today.

    The home, at 832 E. 57th Street, was where Reagan survived a near-fatal bout of pneumonia in 1915 and he has written fondly of playing in the Hyde Park neighborhood with his brother and others.

    But the University of Chicago has recently purchased the apartment building and they have announced plans to raze it and make it a parking lot.

    Some have said that the liberal Chicago establishment does not want a reminder that Reagan, a conservative icon, once lived in the city.


  81. lobo91
    82 | January 30, 2013 4:28 pm

    Remind me again why anyone listens to this dumbass?

    MSNBC’s Token RINO Joe Scarborough: “Greatest Threat” To Second Amendment Rights Is NRA “Extremism”…

    JOE SCARBOROUGH: “You know what the greatest danger to that Second Amendment right and that guarantee is right now? Extremism from the survivalist wing of the NRA that impacts Republicans’ policies nationwide and moves the Republican Party so far away from mainstream America that they lose the House, they lose the Senate again in 2014, and they lose the presidency again — and the next president will be Democratic.”


  82. Mars
    83 | January 30, 2013 4:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Just a coincidence, I’m sure…
    Ronald Reagan’s Childhood Chicago Home Set To Be Demolished And Turned Into A Parking Lot For Possible Obama’s Presidential Library…
    The Chicago home where the late President Ronald Reagan grew up is slated to be demolished and potentially turned into a parking lot for President Obama’s Library, it was revealed today.
    The home, at 832 E. 57th Street, was where Reagan survived a near-fatal bout of pneumonia in 1915 and he has written fondly of playing in the Hyde Park neighborhood with his brother and others.
    But the University of Chicago has recently purchased the apartment building and they have announced plans to raze it and make it a parking lot.
    Some have said that the liberal Chicago establishment does not want a reminder that Reagan, a conservative icon, once lived in the city.

    There are no coincidences where the Pharaoh is concerned.

    The past must always be destroyed or defaced to make way for monuments for the Pharaoh.


  83. 84 | January 30, 2013 4:39 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I don’t have to. Because nobody does. Unless they’re stick in a waiting room or an airport.


  84. 85 | January 30, 2013 4:39 pm

    @ Mars:

    I think in his heart of hearts (such as it is), Obama really believes he’s going to be put on Mt. Rushmore as well.


  85. coldwarrior
    86 | January 30, 2013 4:41 pm

    @ Mars:

    i thought his ‘home’ was in dixon, il?


  86. 87 | January 30, 2013 4:41 pm

    I found it very interesting to see the poll the other day that said that Obama was disliked more than President Bush. Which is even more disparaging to Oblahblah than it appears -- because Bush had a very hostile media that did everything to disparage him. Oblahblah has a sympathetic media that is doing everything they can to prop him up — and he STILL is unliked.


  87. lobo91
    88 | January 30, 2013 4:42 pm

    Carney is apparently trying out for Baghdad Bob’s old job:

    White House Blames Republicans For Today’s Awful GDP Number…

    White House press secretary Jay Carney laid the blame for a surprise economic contraction squarely at the feet of congressional Republicans Wednesday, saying economic threats during the “fiscal cliff” negotiations had prevented important defense spending.

    “Our economy is facing a major headwinds, and that’s Republicans in Congress,” Carney said.

    The Commerce Department projected Wednesday that the nation’s gross domestic product (GDP) shrank by 0.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2012.

    Carney said that was partially attributable to the threat of sequestration, which would implement across-the-board spending cuts if a long-term deficit deal is not reached.

    “This is political brinkmanship that results in one primary victim. That’s American taxpayers and the American middle class,” Carney said, acknowledging the GDP projection was bad news.


  88. lobo91
    89 | January 30, 2013 4:43 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I think in his heart of hearts (such as it is), Obama really believes he’s going to be put on Mt. Rushmore as well.

    Yeah, because he’ll issue an executive order to have it done.


  89. heysoos
    90 | January 30, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    he has large plans…
    Mt Omore
    his face on the new $3 bill
    writing the liner notes on the next Beatles album
    renaming the Oscar…the Obot
    starting a new religion


  90. 91 | January 30, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    In good news today, and I hadn’t seen this earlier, it appears that CNN has fired that halfwit Soledad O’Brien. Apparently no one was watching her show.

    Using that as a criteria, though, shouldn’t EVERYONE at CNN be fired?


  91. taxfreekiller
    92 | January 30, 2013 4:44 pm

    The whole of the donk operation is lie based.

    All that is needed are the facts.

    We have them on the run re: AGW world wide.

    All that took was a few e-mails and getting the facts out on one private run blog. http://www.wattsupwiththat.com
    And that was done with 50% of the dam R’s on board with the tax and spend fraud.

    Facts win, lies not so much.


  92. 93 | January 30, 2013 4:45 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I thought he’d pretty much accomplished the last one there, Haysoos!


  93. Mars
    94 | January 30, 2013 4:47 pm

    Ozymandias

    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
    And on the pedestal these words appear:
    “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.

    Percy Bysshe Shelley

    Ozymandias

    IN Egypt’s sandy silence, all alone,
    Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
    The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
    “I am great OZYMANDIAS,” saith the stone,
    “The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
    “The wonders of my hand.”— The City’s gone,—
    Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
    The site of this forgotten Babylon.

    We wonder,—and some Hunter may express
    Wonder like ours, when thro’ the wilderness
    Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
    He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
    What powerful but unrecorded race
    Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
    – Horace Smith.

    What Obama thinks he is, however he forgets the lesson of the poems.


  94. lobo91
    95 | January 30, 2013 4:47 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    In good news today, and I hadn’t seen this earlier, it appears that CNN has fired that halfwit Soledad O’Brien. Apparently no one was watching her show.
    Using that as a criteria, though, shouldn’t EVERYONE at CNN be fired?

    I’m sure al Jazeera will be looking for more English-speaking hosts for their new channel.


  95. Mars
    96 | January 30, 2013 4:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    he has large plans…
    Mt Omore
    his face on the new $3 bill
    writing the liner notes on the next Beatles album
    renaming the Oscar…the Obot
    starting a new religion

    Done.

    http://patriotupdate.com/videos/democrats-the-church-of-obama/

    There is also a Church of Obama, but I’m pretty sure it’s a parody. (at least I hope so).


  96. taxfreekiller
    97 | January 30, 2013 4:49 pm

    Too,

    The real problem is the RINO’s who are on board with the commie tax and spend dole pork deals. They get re-election money from the same scabs the commies do, so they sort of ruin the brew for U.S..@ taxfreekiller:


  97. 98 | January 30, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That wouldn’t surprise me in the least, though I think one of the Current TV personalities (Jennifer Granholm?) quit. I could see them dredging up Kieth Olberman, too…


  98. 99 | January 30, 2013 4:56 pm

    I here Olberdork is walking around Manhattan with a tin cup and a sign “Will Smear and Bash Republicans for Food.”


  99. lobo91
    100 | January 30, 2013 4:59 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I here Olberdork is walking around Manhattan with a tin cup and a sign “Will Smear and Bash Republicans for Food.”

    He should just run for Congress, then.


  100. buzzsawmonkey
    101 | January 30, 2013 4:59 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I think in his heart of hearts (such as it is), Obama really believes he’s going to be put on Mt. Rushmore as well.

    Well, he did a lot of drugs, so Mount Rush-more would be appropriate for such a stoner.

    Of course, it’s in the Black Hills and Obama’s only half black, but he identifies black…


  101. citizen_q
    102 | January 30, 2013 4:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’d never even heard of Current TV until al bore sold out to big oil.

    I find it amusing the hypocrisy of the sale, which stands right up with the rest of his life. Fleecing the rubes with the green con, while living quite the opposite to what he was selling. Openly so, and none of his sycophants could question why the emperor had not clothes.

    Seems to me the demonrats in microcosm.


  102. heysoos
    103 | January 30, 2013 5:01 pm

    everyday BO needs to be challenged, called out and mocked for his nonstop bullshit…republican leaders should demand to debate him on key issues and force him to commit or back down and when he does smack him again…the recent court decision regarding his slimy, cowardly appointments should be shoved back in his face…beat the shit out of him, soften him up…he’s most vulnerable via his ego/image…predict what he’s going to do before he does it…don’t fear him, threaten him, expose him and laugh in his face, and do it often and relentlessly


  103. coldwarrior
    104 | January 30, 2013 5:08 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    In good news today, and I hadn’t seen this earlier, it appears that CNN has fired that halfwit Soledad O’Brien. Apparently no one was watching her show.
    Using that as a criteria, though, shouldn’t EVERYONE at CNN be fired?

    there has been a massacre at cnn.

    it will be interesting to see what happens now.


  104. Tanker
    105 | January 30, 2013 5:08 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Too,
    The real problem is the RINO’s who are on board with the commie tax and spend dole pork deals. They get re-election money from the same scabs the commies do, so they sort of ruin the brew for U.S..@ taxfreekiller:

    Here’s where I think we have gotten it wrong. They aren’t RINO’s they are CINO’s (conservative in name only). They are the establishment not us. In many ways we are the RINO’s, because many of us think we can only vote R because of what is presented to us.

    I’m a RINO for this reason. Until I have a real choice! I’m a conservative, not a republican no matter the names I’m called!


  105. coldwarrior
    106 | January 30, 2013 5:09 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    soften him up…he’s most vulnerable via his ego/image…predict what he’s going to do before he does it…don’t fear him, threaten him, expose him and laugh in his face, and do it often and relentlessly

    you get it.

    too bad the spineless wonders in the gop cant seem to fathom this.


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    107 | January 30, 2013 5:09 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    CNN has fired that halfwit Soledad O’Brien.

    If she goes transgender, she could be a “Soledad Brother.”


  107. heysoos
    108 | January 30, 2013 5:09 pm

    at this point I’m convinced the MSM is more powerful than the donk party itself


  108. Da_Beerfreak
    109 | January 30, 2013 5:09 pm

    Swept Away -- Navy to scrap $277 million ship to avoid scraping reef

    A United States minesweeper ship that crashed into a coral reef due to inaccurate Navy maps will have to be cut into small pieces and removed in order to prevent harming the ocean’s ecosystem, according to the Navy and other reports.

    The $277 million USS Guardian, a Naval warship that clears waterways of mines, crashed into a coral reef near the Philippines earlier this month.

    The Navy will disassemble it piece by piece in order to avoid damaging the reef rather than tow the multi-million dollar ship off of the reef and perform necessary repairs.

    The Chicoms really don’t have to worry about the US Navy, at least not while Obama is destroying the US Navy for them…


  109. heysoos
    110 | January 30, 2013 5:11 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    truly embarrassing…running your ship aground, good grief


  110. brookly red
    111 | January 30, 2013 5:13 pm

    OK someone just sent me this…

    A Russian scientist and a Czechoslovakian scientist had spent their whole lives studying the majestic grizzly bear. Each year they petitioned their respective governments to allow them to go to Yellowstone to study these wondrous beasts. Finally, their request was granted and they immediately flew to New York and then west to Yellowstone. They reported to the local ranger station and were told that it was the grizzly mating season and it was much too dangerous to go out and study the animals. They pleaded that this was their only chance. Finally the ranger relented. The Russian and the Czech were given cell phones and told to report in each day. For several days they called in, and then nothing was heard from the two scientists. The rangers mounted a search party and found the scientists’ camp completely ravaged. There was no sign of the missing men. They then followed the trail of a male and a female bear. They found the female and decided they must kill the animal to find out if she had eaten the scientists, because they feared an international incident. They killed the female and cut open the bear’s stomach and, sure enough, found the remains of the Russian. One ranger turned to the other and said, “You know what this means, don’t you?”"Of course,” the other ranger nodded. “The Czech is in the male.”


  111. brookly red
    112 | January 30, 2013 5:13 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Swept Away — Navy to scrap $277 million ship to avoid scraping reef

    A United States minesweeper ship that crashed into a coral reef due to inaccurate Navy maps will have to be cut into small pieces and removed in order to prevent harming the ocean’s ecosystem, according to the Navy and other reports.

    The $277 million USS Guardian, a Naval warship that clears waterways of mines, crashed into a coral reef near the Philippines earlier this month.

    The Navy will disassemble it piece by piece in order to avoid damaging the reef rather than tow the multi-million dollar ship off of the reef and perform necessary repairs.

    The Chicoms really don’t have to worry about the US Navy, at least not while Obama is destroying the US Navy for them…

    hey they can save a lot on mines and just plant coral…


  112. Tanker
    113 | January 30, 2013 5:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    truly embarrassing…running your ship aground, good grief

    Great Blue Water Navy…In the shallows, not so much


  113. heysoos
    114 | January 30, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ Tanker:
    those waters are well charted…how the skipper explains this one is beyond me…his command is finished


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | January 30, 2013 5:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    those waters are well charted…how the skipper explains this one is beyond me…his command is finished

    He can always get a job piloting supertankers up around Prince William Sound.


  115. heysoos
    116 | January 30, 2013 5:16 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    DRINK!


  116. buzzsawmonkey
    117 | January 30, 2013 5:16 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    hey they can save a lot on mines and just plant coral…

    I thought the Navy disbanded their coral unit after the Village People…


  117. lobo91
    118 | January 30, 2013 5:17 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    those waters are well charted…how the skipper explains this one is beyond me…his command is finished

    Not according to the article:

    It is believed the ship crashed into the reef due to the use of flawed maps.

    “The U.S. Navy also revealed Jan. 18 that the digital navigational chart in use by the Guardian misplaced the correct location of the reef by about eight nautical miles,” the Military Times reported.

    Navy officials claim the maps have since been updated and corrected.


  118. Tanker
    119 | January 30, 2013 5:17 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Guess I should have added the sarc tag. I agree with you, he is finished!


  119. heysoos
    120 | January 30, 2013 5:19 pm

    @ lobo91:
    good for him…that’s all that can save his career now, and I hope that’s the case…I was wrong


  120. coldwarrior
    121 | January 30, 2013 5:20 pm

    @ Tanker:

    agreed. 100%


  121. heysoos
    122 | January 30, 2013 5:21 pm

    all I know is when you hit something, run aground, hole your hull or whatever, you’re done…if it’s your fault that is


  122. Tanker
    123 | January 30, 2013 5:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    good for him…that’s all that can save his career now, and I hope that’s the case…I was wrong

    Fact checking is still a good thing….for me as well!


  123. RIX
    124 | January 30, 2013 5:21 pm

    You know that you are not an Obama favorite when he appoints you
    ambassador to Zimbabwe
    He actually appointed one in 2009.


  124. lobo91
    125 | January 30, 2013 5:21 pm

    @ heysoos:

    If the charts were off by 8 miles, it seems like it would be hard to blame him. That’s not a minor error.


  125. brookly red
    126 | January 30, 2013 5:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    hey they can save a lot on mines and just plant coral…

    I thought the Navy disbanded their coral unit after the Village People…

    no the Chinese navy… they just need to plant coral around Taiwan. Maybe claim there are endangered species too.


  126. coldwarrior
    127 | January 30, 2013 5:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If the charts were off by 8 miles

    8!!!

    wow.


  127. lobo91
    128 | January 30, 2013 5:23 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    all I know is when you hit something, run aground, hole your hull or whatever, you’re done…if it’s your fault that is

    According to what I saw, he and the crew are back at their homeport, “training for a future assignment,” and he’s still in charge of them.


  128. lobo91
    129 | January 30, 2013 5:24 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Of course, it says they were “digital charts.”

    I think I’d keep a set of paper ones around, just in case.

    //GIGO


  129. heysoos
    130 | January 30, 2013 5:24 pm

    @ lobo91:
    actually a bit shocking….wtf?…8 miles?…that’s point blank range for surface guns, pinned along a reef?…call Google


  130. 131 | January 30, 2013 5:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    If the charts were off by 8 miles, it seems like it would be hard to blame him. That’s not a minor error.

    That.


  131. Da_Beerfreak
    132 | January 30, 2013 5:30 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    those waters are well charted…how the skipper explains this one is beyond me…his command is finished

    The electronic chart that was in use at the time was wrong, they thought they were 8 miles from that reef.


  132. 133 | January 30, 2013 5:32 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    They’re SOOO backpedaling now because there was talk that they fired Soledad because her show was viewed mostly by African-Americans….

    I personally think someone from CNN finally realized this woman is such a hack that even they couldn’t stand it anymore. If I were Piss Morgan, I’d start mending fences back in the old country….


  133. Speranza
    134 | January 30, 2013 5:38 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They’re SOOO backpedaling now because there was talk that they fired Soledad because her show was viewed mostly by African-Americans….
    I personally think someone from CNN finally realized this woman is such a hack that even they couldn’t stand it anymore. If I were Piss Morgan, I’d start mending fences back in the old country….

    Piers Morgan is bad news in Britain because of the fake photo his newspaper (of which he was the Editor of) printed of British soldiers allegedly pissing on a Muslim prisoner.


  134. 135 | January 30, 2013 5:40 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    They’re SOOO backpedaling now because there was talk that they fired Soledad because her show was viewed mostly by African-Americans….

    Why was she fired? In their heats, they know she’s light.

    (With apologies to the ’64 Goldwater campaign)


  135. 136 | January 30, 2013 5:40 pm

    Update to my post, Israel has struck Damascus.


  136. 137 | January 30, 2013 5:40 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Godlwater, he was ahead of his times.


  137. 138 | January 30, 2013 5:42 pm

    @ Tanker:

    I’m a conservative, not a republican no matter the names I’m called!

    Well said.


  138. Speranza
    139 | January 30, 2013 5:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Godlwater, he was ahead of his times.

    Yes he was and a good part of today’s “base” would reject him if he were alive today.


  139. 140 | January 30, 2013 5:48 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That is why Goldwater does not get much mention anymore.


  140. 141 | January 30, 2013 5:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I came across this earlier today and I thought you’d be interested:

    WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY, Jr.:…Of course, you know, something called the fusion movement was encouraged by me and by National Review during the late ’50s. The idea was to point out to the straight libertarians and to the conservatives how much they had in common and how effective the symbiosis would be between them. So from time to time I stress the fact that I’m conservative and, every now and then, that I’m a libertarian. And there’s a certain amount of libertarian — well, in most of what I write there’s a certain amount that is oriented to, “Does this augment or diminish human liberty?”

    Buckley, and I believe Goldwater as well, were libertarians before libertarianism was cool.


  141. heysoos
    142 | January 30, 2013 5:52 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    my best friends sister married a wealthy, famous OB/GYN…they retired and bought a sailboat…a 60ft aluminum hulled schooner named ‘Sovereign’ built in Austraila, one of two…so he putts around the Great Lakes learning how to rig sails, care for the boat, the basics…then he goes off and buys a sextant and a bunch of books and charts to learn to navigate…that stuff is so complex that most people just stand aside and watch, but he did it…he had all the state of the art comms and dishes and GPS but he needed to learn this for himself….I went out several times with them on Lake Michigan and I tell you steering a 60ft sailboat is nearly impossible…they don’t respond to the wheel…he’d take a reading then run down the deck yelling 2 degrees to port!…so I’d turn the wheel while he tweaked the sails…he’d yell put the bow on that house or point (5 miles back to shore) and hold her!…turn the wheel and long seconds the bow would start to come around, more long seconds til you tried to come back…bigtime sailing is a serious rush…and not at all easy…as time passed they took the Sovereign around the world, up the Amazon and had all kinds of adventures


  142. 143 | January 30, 2013 5:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Yes he was and a good part of today’s “base” would reject him if he were alive today.

    The base is an ass.


  143. 144 | January 30, 2013 5:56 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    my best friends sister married a wealthy, famous OB/GYN…they retired and bought a sailboat…a 60ft aluminum hulled schooner named ‘Sovereign’ built in Austraila, one of two…so he putts around the Great Lakes learning how to rig sails, care for the boat, the basics…then he goes off and buys a sextant and a bunch of books and charts to learn to navigate…that stuff is so complex that most people just stand aside and watch, but he did it…he had all the state of the art comms and dishes and GPS but he needed to learn this for himself….I went out several times with them on Lake Michigan and I tell you steering a 60ft sailboat is nearly impossible…they don’t respond to the wheel…he’d take a reading then run down the deck yelling 2 degrees to port!…so I’d turn the wheel while he tweaked the sails…he’d yell put the bow on that house or point (5 miles back to shore) and hold her!…turn the wheel and long seconds the bow would start to come around, more long seconds til you tried to come back…bigtime sailing is a serious rush…and not at all easy…as time passed they took the Sovereign around the world, up the Amazon and had all kinds of adventures

    I’ve always respected people with money who actually know what to do with it; this guy sounds like one of those people.


  144. heysoos
    145 | January 30, 2013 5:57 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Yes he was and a good part of today’s “base” would reject him if he were alive today.
    The base is an ass.

    the base is waiting for another anti abortion hero to come along…the base is way out of touch, therefor worthless…the world is falling apart and they are concerned about gays getting married


  145. 146 | January 30, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I agree


  146. Tanker
    147 | January 30, 2013 5:59 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Yes he was and a good part of today’s “base” would reject him if he were alive today.
    The base is an ass.

    Hence the reason we will never come together to solve anything! We destroy our own and do nothing to those who we should destroy!


  147. heysoos
    148 | January 30, 2013 6:02 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    he was obsessed with going to South America to practice his trade for the poor etc…they’d travel in packs of 6 or 8 boats for security…then spend a couple weeks shorebound treating new mothers…he was deep into Doctors Without Borders or whoever they are…some mighty fine people…he had the money to combine sailing/travel and medical practice all in one


  148. Mars
    150 | January 30, 2013 6:06 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    taxfreekiller wrote:
    Too,
    The real problem is the RINO’s who are on board with the commie tax and spend dole pork deals. They get re-election money from the same scabs the commies do, so they sort of ruin the brew for U.S..@ taxfreekiller:

    Here’s where I think we have gotten it wrong. They aren’t RINO’s they are CINO’s (conservative in name only). They are the establishment not us. In many ways we are the RINO’s, because many of us think we can only vote R because of what is presented to us.
    I’m a RINO for this reason. Until I have a real choice! I’m a conservative, not a republican no matter the names I’m called!

    YES


  149. Mars
    151 | January 30, 2013 6:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Of course, it says they were “digital charts.”
    I think I’d keep a set of paper ones around, just in case.
    //GIGO

    Aah Apple Maps strikes again.


  150. 152 | January 30, 2013 6:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    French say Judaism and Christianity are toleratnt, but Islam isn’t.

    It would appear that the “Asian” yoots burning cars by the thousands have not won any friends, eh?


  151. Mars
    153 | January 30, 2013 6:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    They’re SOOO backpedaling now because there was talk that they fired Soledad because her show was viewed mostly by African-Americans….
    I personally think someone from CNN finally realized this woman is such a hack that even they couldn’t stand it anymore. If I were Piss Morgan, I’d start mending fences back in the old country….

    Piers Morgan is bad news in Britain because of the fake photo his newspaper (of which he was the Editor of) printed of British soldiers allegedly pissing on a Muslim prisoner.

    And the cell phone tapping scandal. And a bugging scandal, and an unauthorized records scandal.


  152. RIX
    154 | January 30, 2013 6:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    French say Judaism and Christianity are toleratnt, but Islam isn’t.

    French society is under assault by Muslims living in Paris
    Suburbs etc.
    Police have no go zones & people won’t take public transportation
    through Muslim areas , since there are attacks on buses.
    The French are seeing it up close & personal.


  153. Mars
    156 | January 30, 2013 6:17 pm

    Ok, people stop with the “base” nonsense. If you understand anything at all about the “base” you know that it is essentially the same coalition put together by Reagan. In fact that is the core of our problem. There is no unified Republican or even conservative base. Every person is their own base and all headed a different direction. In fact what I always viewed as the democrats greatest weakness may in fact be one of their strengths. The Dems don’t go after people, they go after groups. Their “base” is made up of a thousand special interest groups, many in direct opposition to others.

    But if you look at it in a structural term, the republicans are standing on a thousand individual reeds. The dems are standing on a hundred reed bundles. Guess which is stronger?


  154. 157 | January 30, 2013 6:17 pm

    New Thread.


  155. heysoos
    158 | January 30, 2013 6:19 pm

    @ lobo91:
    funny joke…but I’m not laughing…
    these people are stupid beyond belief, ideologues


  156. lobo91
    159 | January 30, 2013 6:22 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    funny joke…but I’m not laughing…
    these people are stupid beyond belief, ideologues

    I’d really love to hand him my Mini-14 and see if he could figure out how to load it.

    I’d load the magazine with dummy rounds, of course, because he’d probably manage to shoot a bystander otherwise.


  157. 160 | January 30, 2013 6:33 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Ok, people stop with the “base” nonsense. If you understand anything at all about the “base” you know that it is essentially the same coalition put together by Reagan. In fact that is the core of our problem. There is no unified Republican or even conservative base. Every person is their own base and all headed a different direction. In fact what I always viewed as the democrats greatest weakness may in fact be one of their strengths. The Dems don’t go after people, they go after groups. Their “base” is made up of a thousand special interest groups, many in direct opposition to others.

    But if you look at it in a structural term, the republicans are standing on a thousand individual reeds. The dems are standing on a hundred reed bundles. Guess which is stronger?

    If the base couldn’t instinctively march in the same general direction to keep a man like Obama out of the White House in ’08, and again fail to march in the same general direction to get his ass out of the White house in ’12, what the hell good are they?

    I’ve no allegiance to this elusive, bitchy “base” because they seem to put their narrow interests over the interests of this country. Screw ‘em because they’ve screwed all of us…twice.


  158. Mars
    161 | January 30, 2013 6:38 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Ok, people stop with the “base” nonsense. If you understand anything at all about the “base” you know that it is essentially the same coalition put together by Reagan. In fact that is the core of our problem. There is no unified Republican or even conservative base. Every person is their own base and all headed a different direction. In fact what I always viewed as the democrats greatest weakness may in fact be one of their strengths. The Dems don’t go after people, they go after groups. Their “base” is made up of a thousand special interest groups, many in direct opposition to others.
    But if you look at it in a structural term, the republicans are standing on a thousand individual reeds. The dems are standing on a hundred reed bundles. Guess which is stronger?

    If the base couldn’t instinctively march in the same general direction to keep a man like Obama out of the White House in ’08, and again fail to march in the same general direction to get his ass out of the White house in ’12, what the hell good are they?
    I’ve no allegiance to this elusive, bitchy “base” because they seem to put their narrow interests over the interests of this country. Screw ‘em because they’ve screwed all of us…twice.

    That’s the point. There is no base. Never has been. It’s just an alliance of people who see something that needs to be done. Just like the tea party.

    The republicans have no form of mobilization, haven’t in a long time.

    Obama and his handlers are masters of mobilization.

    The dems know how to rouse the loyal and distract the lo info.


  159. Mars
    162 | January 30, 2013 6:40 pm

    That is the problem inherent in being the party of rugged individualism.

    And your whole comment proved my point. Why do you think the whole concept of a republican base is absurd.

    I’ve no allegiance to this elusive, bitchy “base” because they seem to put their narrow interests over the interests of this country. Screw ‘em because they’ve screwed all of us…twice.

    Repeat a million times and stir.


  160. Tanker
    163 | January 30, 2013 6:42 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Ok, people stop with the “base” nonsense. If you understand anything at all about the “base” you know that it is essentially the same coalition put together by Reagan. In fact that is the core of our problem. There is no unified Republican or even conservative base. Every person is their own base and all headed a different direction. In fact what I always viewed as the democrats greatest weakness may in fact be one of their strengths. The Dems don’t go after people, they go after groups. Their “base” is made up of a thousand special interest groups, many in direct opposition to others.
    But if you look at it in a structural term, the republicans are standing on a thousand individual reeds. The dems are standing on a hundred reed bundles. Guess which is stronger?

    If the base couldn’t instinctively march in the same general direction to keep a man like Obama out of the White House in ’08, and again fail to march in the same general direction to get his ass out of the White house in ’12, what the hell good are they?
    I’ve no allegiance to this elusive, bitchy “base” because they seem to put their narrow interests over the interests of this country. Screw ‘em because they’ve screwed all of us…twice.

    And screw the:
    Libertarians
    Catholics
    Mormons
    Latinos
    Blacks
    Asians
    Muslims
    Jews

    We will never need any of them!


  161. Mars
    164 | January 30, 2013 6:50 pm

    Since the discussion is headed upstairs I’m going to desert this thread. See you up top.


  162. 165 | January 30, 2013 7:02 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    And screw the:
    Libertarians
    Catholics
    Mormons
    Latinos
    Blacks
    Asians
    Muslims
    Jews

    We will never need any of them!

    No, don’t screw the libertarians (small l), embrace them and become them. As for the rest of the designations, they’re meaningless. All that matters is individual liberty, limited government and lower taxes, not race, ethnicity or religion. Out-pandering the Democrats is like out-slutting Kim Kardasian. Give them liberty, make their lives better and the people will support you.


  163. Tanker
    166 | January 30, 2013 7:08 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    And screw the:
    Libertarians
    Catholics
    Mormons
    Latinos
    Blacks
    Asians
    Muslims
    Jews
    We will never need any of them!
    No, don’t screw the libertarians (small l), embrace them and become them. As for the rest of the designations, they’re meaningless. All that matters is individual liberty, limited government and lower taxes, not race, ethnicity or religion. Out-pandering the Democrats is like out-slutting Kim Kardasian. Give them liberty, make their lives better and the people will support you.

    I have as many problems with the libertarian views as you have with many conservative views. Problem isn’t resolved, just kicked around.


  164. unclassifiable
    167 | January 30, 2013 7:12 pm

    @ Tanker:

    What problems do you have with them?

    Let’s get it out.

    This is a thing that needs discussion.


  165. Tanker
    168 | January 30, 2013 7:22 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    What problems do you have with them?
    Let’s get it out.
    This is a thing that needs discussion.

    Their view on drugs is my biggest issue with them, personal for me!


  166. unclassifiable
    169 | January 30, 2013 7:40 pm

    @ Tanker:

    If drugs are handled on a state-by-state basis is that enough of a compromise?

    I am talking weed here. It is the only one that I have observed that there is any semblance of socially civil behavior with the users.


  167. unclassifiable
    170 | January 30, 2013 7:42 pm

    @ Tanker:
    @ unclassifiable:

    This is how things are done. The nitty-gritty sort of speak. We have things in common (I’m gussing anti-gun control is one). How can we work together to get this resolved and move on to more important issues.


  168. unclassifiable
    171 | January 30, 2013 7:45 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    Because here is my point. This type of negotiation is the same thing that happens in legislatures. If we as a group/an association/a party are going to gain power we have to demonstrate that we can do that amoung ourselves.

    My humble opinion of course.


  169. unclassifiable
    172 | January 30, 2013 7:46 pm

    Going to go home and get some grub. I look forward to an answer.

    Take care.


  170. 173 | January 30, 2013 10:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    We didn’t believe the polls that showed the Democrats with a 6 point turnout advantage or polls showing Obama beating Romney. They were right. I do not doubt this poll. I fear Obama has become an icon. He has smashed the GOP and now looks like a hero to Americans.
    The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex along with Santorum and Akins have turned the GOP into the bad guy in most Americans mind.

    How the 2012 Obama campaign fooled the lo-info voters

    Mars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Just a coincidence, I’m sure…
    Ronald Reagan’s Childhood Chicago Home Set To Be Demolished And Turned Into A Parking Lot For Possible Obama’s Presidential Library…
    The Chicago home where the late President Ronald Reagan grew up is slated to be demolished and potentially turned into a parking lot for President Obama’s Library, it was revealed today.
    The home, at 832 E. 57th Street, was where Reagan survived a near-fatal bout of pneumonia in 1915 and he has written fondly of playing in the Hyde Park neighborhood with his brother and others.
    But the University of Chicago has recently purchased the apartment building and they have announced plans to raze it and make it a parking lot.
    Some have said that the liberal Chicago establishment does not want a reminder that Reagan, a conservative icon, once lived in the city.

    There are no coincidences where the Pharaoh is concerned.
    The past must always be destroyed or defaced to make way for monuments for the Pharaoh.

    That’s the University of Chicago for you.
    The net output of the UofC is negative.
    Big time.


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