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The Obama Boom!

by Flyovercountry ( 233 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, unemployment at January 30th, 2013 - 6:00 pm

The old saying goes something like this, “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.” Well America, take a wild guess which part of that statement pertains to us. There were a bevy of faked news reports out from June of 2012 all the way through November 6, of the same year telling us all how rosy the economy truly looked. Those of us who bothered to look a little deeper into the numbers being fed to us by the usual culprits told you it was a sham. Yes the U-3 number dipped below 8%. However, we pointed out that the labor force participation rate needed to drop below a level not experienced since before the market crash of 1929 in order to achieve that number. Yes the GDP number started to show some semblance of what can only be termed as sluggish growth. However, those figures were due entirely to increases in government hiring and spending as well as hugely incentivized increases in manufacturing inventories. Undaunted by mere facts, America returned the man child President to the Oval Office on the premise that our economy was just starting to recover, and a change at this point would be foolish.

A funny thing happened on the way to economic recovery today. As it turns out, illusions can not be maintained forever. So, the gag is this, once the election is over, we get a glimpse of the harsh realities yet to come. Since manufacturers who produced those inventories didn’t actually have orders for their wares, and were not capable of selling their product after the fact, those massive inventories will sit, the workers will be let go, and now as an added bonus, we elected a man to our top office who will do what ever he can to regulate any actual recovery out of existence. Yay! The stark reality is that our economy has slipped back into recession, and it did this before the economic damage done by the Obama Presidency reached its full potential. That thought should scare the pants off of anyone still awake, and if that does not do it, then the upcoming national hunger will. One of the major problems with relying on a recovery based entirely on growing the public sector is that governments don’t actually produce anything, they merely confiscate from those who do produce. The results of following this path all the way to the inevitable conclusion are truly something to fear.

The U.S. economy posted a stunning drop of 0.1 percent in the fourth quarter, defying expectations for slow growth and possibly providing incentive for more Federal Reserve stimulus.

The economy shrank from October through December for the first time since the recession ended, hurt by the biggest cut in defense spending in 40 years, fewer exports and sluggish growth in company stockpiles.

The Commerce Department said Wednesday that the economy contracted at an annual rate of 0.1 percent in the fourth quarter. That’s a sharp slowdown from the 3.1 percent growth rate in the July-September quarter.

The surprise contraction could raise fears about the economy’s ability to handle tax increases that took effect in January and looming spending cuts.

Still, the weakness may be because of one-time factors. Government spending cuts and slower inventory growth subtracted a total of 2.6 percentage points from growth.

And those volatile categories offset faster growth in consumer spending, business investment and housing — the economy’s core drivers of growth.

Another positive aspect of the report: For all of 2012, the economy expanded 2.2 percent, better than 2011′s growth of 1.8 percent.

The economy may stay weak at the start of the year because Americans are coming to grips with an increase in Social Security taxes that has left them with less take-home pay.

Subpar growth has held back hiring. The economy has created about 150,000 jobs a month, on average, for the past two years. That’s barely enough to reduce the unemployment rate, which has been 7.8 percent for the past two months.

I read a post at the Blogmocracy today that should be required reading for every high school and collegiate economics class taught in America. Hat tip to Coldwarrior. Take a good look at the picture at the top of the link. That man is holding a Ten Million Dollar Bill, made payable by the central bank of Zimbabwe. What makes it pertinent to today’s essay is that Barack Obama’s rhetoric is exactly the same as Robert Mugabe’s. You would be able to take a stump speech from either man, and substitute it for the other, and no one would be able to tell the difference, save one. You will find it necessary to substitute the word rich for white in the Mugabe speech, and vice versa for the Obama speech in order to pull off the ruse.

The only result possible from continued government largess of this scale is wild inflationary pressure. The only possible result from demonizing the successful people who create wealth and following through on the promises made to punish those who do succeed is the complete loss of wealth for the entire society. Zimbabwe stands as that perfect laboratory as to what our future looks like should we continue along this path for a sufficient amount of time.

The reason it will take longer for us to reach these depths than it took Zimbabwe is because preceding generations had built sufficient wealth for us to cannibalize without noticing immediately the destructive nature of our ways. Capitalism, while it is not perfect, is the best system of economics in existence. Our first 212 years have allowed us to act foolishly for the next 24, without burning completely through daddy’s money. But, just like Barbara Hutton, who’s two grandfathers were Franklyn Hutton and F.W. Woolworth, it is possible to blow it all. She died penniless you see, after spending her entire adult life not working, not creating, and spending both fortunes as if consequences were petty little concerns for other people to worry about. She didn’t notice either that she was going broke, and left no children behind. We, as Americans are not so lucky. We are leaving a generation or two, or possibly a dozen or more, who will have to pay for the mess that we are leaving them.

I guess the good news is that we have a tool to prevent Barack from accomplishing his ultimate goal, which is to see America turned into Zimbabwe. That tool is our Constitution, and last week Barack got slapped down by the Judicial Branch in a major league way. It seems as though a President can not just make up his own rules and then declare himself supreme after all. In this case, the Bamster had declared the Senate to be in recess, even though they weren’t, and then made recess appointments to the NLRB, three of them. He got sued, and lost at the appellate level, and the result of the suit is that not one single ruling from the board made during the last year is binding in any way. We are more than half way through this thing now, and the damage that has been done can still be undone. It’s just going to take a hell of a lot of work to get there.

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233 Responses to “The Obama Boom!”
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  1. lobo91
    1 | January 30, 2013 6:21 pm

    White House Blames Republicans For Today’s Awful GDP Number…

    You just knew this was coming.

    I’m surprised they didn’t blame Bush.


  2. Mars
    2 | January 30, 2013 6:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    White House Blames Republicans For Today’s Awful GDP Number…
    You just knew this was coming.
    I’m surprised they didn’t blame Bush.

    The drones that call into the talk shows today were.


  3. 3 | January 30, 2013 6:25 pm

    @ lobo91:

    In part I guess, it is true. The Republicans have not fought nearly hard enough to prevent Barack Obama from inflicting his vision upon our nation. So, from that perspective, I would lay some of the blame on Republicans.

    Running as Demo lite has had its consequences.


  4. heysoos
    4 | January 30, 2013 6:26 pm

    I suggest voting rights be severely restricted…if you put in you can take out…the system has failed and what has replaced it is a perpetual breeding ground for illiterate populace that is totally incompatible with American society…they do not deserve to vote


  5. RIX
    5 | January 30, 2013 6:29 pm

    CHICAGO, Illinois, January 25, 2013 -- A new Cold War is brewing here in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood and it has nothing to do with the frigid temperature.
    The apartment building at 832 E. 57th Street was once the Chicago home of a boy who would become a President.
    No, it’s not Barack Obama of Hawaii. It was at the apartment’s first floor window that a young Ronald Reagan looked out upon the world.
    But some powerful Chicagoans are planning to demolish Reagan’s historic home. Is it politically motivated? Is Mayor Rahm Emanuel behind the move?

    Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/bill-kellys-truth-squad/2013/jan/25/reagan-home-become-parking-lot-obama-library/#ixzz2JVKEfbSy
    Follow us: @wtcommunities on Twitter

    Sorry to go off topic, but this caught my eye.
    They are planning to bulldoze Regans boyhood Chicago
    home, to make way for a parking lot for an Obama library.


  6. heysoos
    6 | January 30, 2013 6:34 pm

    @ RIX:
    not sure anybody cares…I sure don’t…presidents are just people that got lucky in spite of themselves…I can tell you that in my world, regarding my family, Reagan is nobody compared to me


  7. 7 | January 30, 2013 6:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    White House Blames Republicans For Today’s Awful GDP Number…
    You just knew this was coming.
    I’m surprised they didn’t blame Bush.

    Actually some Leftists in comments did.


  8. 8 | January 30, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Did you see this?

    In response to the news today that the economy contracted -.1 percent in the final quarter of last year, Democrats are touting the claim that this is “the best-looking contraction in U.S. GDP you’ll ever see.” The claim was originally made by chief U.S. economist for Capital Economics Paul Ashworth.


  9. heysoos
    9 | January 30, 2013 6:36 pm

    if the GOP is going to worship Reagan, you can’t blame the donks for worshiping BO…to me they are just a bunch of well dressed saps with nothing else to do


  10. 10 | January 30, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yup, I read that on Left sites.


  11. fultonchain
    11 | January 30, 2013 6:38 pm

    Get a grip. We’re not and will never be Zimbabwe and anyone who thinks that it is the Presidents plan to make us into Zimbabwe is a clueless fool who has no idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.

    After all this Obamacare babble and 2nd Amendment nonsense, the bottom line is, and I’ll do it all caps for the reading impaired:

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED

    Instead of whining about the status-quo and bashing a duly elected President, why don’t you guys focus more on getting the folks you like elected? Think locally and all that. Because, unless you are doing that, you are just pissing into the wind and deluding yourself that you are some sort of prescient beings who know better than a clear majority of Americans. Convince us with a little more than conspiracy theory’s and hyperbole.

    The hubris is astounding.

    I would suggest a weekly Blogmocracy politician. In a swing district. Highlight that guy (whether you are for or against him) and then target his/hers constituency addressing specific positions. Do that and you might effect change. Otherwise, your just a bunch of sore losers and malcontents preaching to the choir.


  12. 12 | January 30, 2013 6:39 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    The Republicans have not fought nearly hard enough to prevent Barack Obama from inflicting his vision upon our nation. So, from that perspective, I would lay some of the blame on Republicans.

    This speaks directly to “the base” question and I’m done with the base. As I said on the previous thread:

    If the base couldn’t instinctively march in the same general direction to keep a man like Obama out of the White House in ’08, and again fail to march in the same general direction to get his ass out of the White house in ’12, what the hell good are they?

    I’ve no more allegiance to this elusive, bitchy “base” because they seem to put their narrow interests over the interests of this country. Screw ‘em because they’ve screwed all of us…twice.


  13. RIX
    13 | January 30, 2013 6:40 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    not sure anybody cares…I sure don’t…presidents are just people that got lucky in spite of themselves…I can tell you that in my world, regarding my family, Reagan is nobody compared to me

    I liked Reagan & I don’t want any Library for Obama in Chicago.


  14. 14 | January 30, 2013 6:41 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    How are you today? Good to see you!


  15. heysoos
    15 | January 30, 2013 6:41 pm

    @ fultonchain:
    another Obot…don’t come crawling to me for a handout…if you think BO gives a shit about you, then I tell you, shine my shoes boy..I don’t think anyone here cares much about convincing you of anything, you are already gone, you simp


  16. Mars
    16 | January 30, 2013 6:42 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    I would suggest a weekly Blogmocracy politician. In a swing district. Highlight that guy (whether you are for or against him) and then target his/hers constituency addressing specific positions. Do that and you might effect change. Otherwise, your just a bunch of sore losers and malcontents preaching to the choir.

    Even a stopped clock…


  17. heysoos
    17 | January 30, 2013 6:46 pm

    @ Mars:
    these bots lined up to serve their master is disgusting…I doubt fultonchain can operate a spoon…submission is slavery


  18. RIX
    18 | January 30, 2013 6:47 pm

    After all this Obamacare babble and 2nd Amendment nonsense, the bottom line is, and I’ll do it all caps for the reading impaired:

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED
    @ fultonchain:

    Duh! Could you type more bigger, so that i get it?


  19. Mars
    19 | January 30, 2013 6:48 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    If you’re going to carry it over here so will I. It’s a good discussion and needs to be aired out.

    Here’s my take.

    Ok, people stop with the “base” nonsense. If you understand anything at all about the “base” you know that it is essentially the same coalition put together by Reagan. In fact that is the core of our problem. There is no unified Republican or even conservative base. Every person is their own base and all headed a different direction. In fact what I always viewed as the democrats greatest weakness may in fact be one of their strengths. The Dems don’t go after people, they go after groups. Their “base” is made up of a thousand special interest groups, many in direct opposition to others.

    But if you look at it in a structural term, the republicans are standing on a thousand individual reeds. The dems are standing on a hundred reed bundles. Guess which is stronger?

    That’s the point. There is no base. Never has been. It’s just an alliance of people who see something that needs to be done. Just like the tea party.

    The republicans have no form of mobilization, haven’t in a long time.

    Obama and his handlers are masters of mobilization.

    The dems know how to rouse the loyal and distract the lo info.

    That is the problem inherent in being the party of rugged individualism.

    And your whole comment proved my point. Why do you think the whole concept of a republican base is absurd.

    I’ve no allegiance to this elusive, bitchy “base” because they seem to put their narrow interests over the interests of this country. Screw ‘em because they’ve screwed all of us…twice.

    Repeat a million times and stir.

    Your idea is that you are done with the base. My stand is how can you be done with something that has never existed?

    It’s like herding cats. Individuals act in the best interest of themselves.

    Progressives are something else. They will actually sacrifice themselves and the lives of their children for benefit of their particular special interest group.


  20. Da_Beerfreak
    20 | January 30, 2013 6:48 pm

    @ fultonchain:
    Don’t go and forget that we are a bunch of sore losers and malcontents that are well armed and spoiling for a fight. :twisted:


  21. Mars
    21 | January 30, 2013 6:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Mars:
    these bots lined up to serve their master is disgusting…I doubt fultonchain can operate a spoon…submission is slavery

    Yep. His last section isn’t totally wrong though. It’s actually a pretty good idea.


  22. brookly red
    22 | January 30, 2013 6:49 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.

    well it would appear they don’t actually work at all…


  23. heysoos
    23 | January 30, 2013 6:51 pm

    @ Mars:
    we already knew that…I don’t need some bot to point it out to me in spite


  24. Tanker
    24 | January 30, 2013 6:52 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:
    The Republicans have not fought nearly hard enough to prevent Barack Obama from inflicting his vision upon our nation. So, from that perspective, I would lay some of the blame on Republicans.

    This speaks directly to “the base” question and I’m done with the base. As I said on the previous thread:
    If the base couldn’t instinctively march in the same general direction to keep a man like Obama out of the White House in ’08, and again fail to march in the same general direction to get his ass out of the White house in ’12, what the hell good are they?
    I’ve no more allegiance to this elusive, bitchy “base” because they seem to put their narrow interests over the interests of this country. Screw ‘em because they’ve screwed all of us…twice.

    Who is the base according to you?


  25. fultonchain
    25 | January 30, 2013 6:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ fultonchain:
    another Obot…don’t come crawling to me for a handout…if you think BO gives a shit about you, then I tell you, shine my shoes boy..I don’t think anyone here cares much about convincing you of anything, you are already gone, you simp

    Sweet, a little bit of attack, a little bit of condescension mixed in with a tad of blatant racism. And you wonder why you can’t win an election.


  26. The Osprey
  27. Mars
    27 | January 30, 2013 6:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Mars:
    we already knew that…I don’t need some bot to point it out to me in spite

    I do agree there. Rodan seems to like him but i’ve always found him to be a pretentious arrogant prick.


  28. heysoos
    28 | January 30, 2013 6:55 pm

    @ fultonchain:
    elections are not won, they are tossed…how much debt is too much?…how much ammo do you have stored up?…do you not see what your blind ideology leads to?…are you really that stupid?


  29. 29 | January 30, 2013 6:57 pm

    @ Mars:

    He was one of our early readers. He was an anti Charles Liberal.


  30. 30 | January 30, 2013 6:58 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Rubio and Rand Paul are making the Democrats nervous.


  31. fultonchain
    31 | January 30, 2013 6:58 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ fultonchain:
    Don’t go and forget that we are a bunch of sore losers and malcontents that are well armed and spoiling for a fight.

    Please don’t conflate leftism with a pacifistic belief system.

    Lots of us Commie Obamabots like to blow shit up. I’m pretty sure every leftist insurrection has involved blowing shit up. Don’t think for a second that the right has a monopoly on guns.

    Myself, I’m as well armed as anybody. I like me some guns. Where we differ is that I am not convinced anyone is trying to take them away from me. Obama has actually done far less in terms of gun control than most Presidents. Basically, he has done nothing. That’s good, right?


  32. heysoos
    32 | January 30, 2013 6:59 pm

    Mars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ Mars:
    we already knew that…I don’t need some bot to point it out to me in spite

    I do agree there. Rodan seems to like him but i’ve always found him to be a pretentious arrogant prick.

    never met him, but if he supports BO then he’s announced himself as my enemy…this shit is getting serious bro…I’m not pallsy wallsy with assholes that want to take down the constitution….you can think what you want and I won’t assume the less…these are trying times


  33. fultonchain
    33 | January 30, 2013 7:00 pm

    Mars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I do agree there. Rodan seems to like him but i’ve always found him to be a pretentious arrogant prick.

    Keep going that way.

    It’s working so well.


  34. lobo91
    34 | January 30, 2013 7:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    fultonchain wrote:
    idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.
    well it would appear they don’t actually work at all…

    John Adams has been proven correct: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”


  35. fultonchain
    35 | January 30, 2013 7:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Rubio and Rand Paul are making the Democrats nervous.

    Rubio has me nervous. Rand Paul is a flash in the pan burdened with a crazy ass father.


  36. heysoos
    36 | January 30, 2013 7:02 pm

    @ fultonchain:
    how much debt is too much?…how can it be paid down?…do you understand debt?…can you spell it?


  37. The Osprey
    37 | January 30, 2013 7:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    Rubio and Rand Paul are making the Democrats nervous.

    And Ted Cruz. I really like Ted Cruz.


  38. brookly red
    38 | January 30, 2013 7:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    fultonchain wrote:
    idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.
    well it would appear they don’t actually work at all…

    John Adams has been proven correct: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    well our constitution’s main flaw is that it does not have teeth.


  39. lobo91
    39 | January 30, 2013 7:06 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Get a grip. We’re not and will never be Zimbabwe and anyone who thinks that it is the Presidents plan to make us into Zimbabwe is a clueless fool who has no idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.

    So you’re saying that Obama and everyone around him are actually a bunch of clueless morons? That’s the only possible alternative explanation, after all.

    As for checks and balances, that concept only works when you’re delaing with people who believe in the rule of law. Today’s Democrats clearly do not.

    This is the most lawless administration in history, and I see no signs that anything is going to change for the better.

    But you’re fine with it, because your guy won.

    Congratulations.


  40. 40 | January 30, 2013 7:07 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Rand Paul’s Non interventionist foreign policy and his support of drug De-crimilazation should makes Dems nervous. But you guys have powerful machine and a huge advantage. I do not think the GOP as composed can win a Presidential election in 2016. I could be wrong, But You Dems have the advantage.

    For now.


  41. heysoos
    41 | January 30, 2013 7:08 pm

    BARTENDER!…
    give me a double Checks and Balances please…


  42. brookly red
    42 | January 30, 2013 7:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:

    He was one of our early readers. He was an anti Charles Liberal.

    you don’t need to be conservative to have a scene of smell. :)


  43. 43 | January 30, 2013 7:10 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Cruz is good.

    I like Pat Toomey, Kristin Noem, Susana Martinez, Scott Walker and Bobby Jindal also. The GOP has a good bench, but the Democrats have a huge advantage. They have an almost invincible electoral machine.

    2016 could be man (GOP) vs. machine (Dem).


  44. 44 | January 30, 2013 7:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    When you have the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex, checks and balances are useless. Obama has become a man-god.


  45. fultonchain
    45 | January 30, 2013 7:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    you don’t need to be conservative to have a scene of smell.

    As hard as it is to believe, I was banned from LGF for being too liberal.

    Amazing how times change, I find today’s LGF way too extreme for my tastes. I may be a liberal, but first and foremost, I’m a pragmatist who dislikes extremism from either side.


  46. heysoos
    46 | January 30, 2013 7:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    When you have the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex, checks and balances are useless. Obama has become a man-god.

    but he isn’t and that’s his weakness…play him and let him undo himself…meanwhile, the GOP is getting sliced and diced


  47. brookly red
    47 | January 30, 2013 7:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    When you have the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex, checks and balances are useless. Obama has become a man-god.

    no the courts just smacked down his recess appointments, he is no man-god he is just another OZ.


  48. Tanker
    48 | January 30, 2013 7:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ fultonchain:
    Rand Paul’s Non interventionist foreign policy and his support of drug De-crimilazation should makes Dems nervous. But you guys have powerful machine and a huge advantage. I do not think the GOP as composed can win a Presidential election in 2016. I could be wrong, But You Dems have the advantage.
    For now.

    Please explain what this would look like in reality. I know the no nation building part. Haven’t heard him define it!


  49. 49 | January 30, 2013 7:15 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    LGF is Hard Left now. They openly support The Islamic Jihadists. I guess you have been reading Diary of Daedalus!


  50. heysoos
    50 | January 30, 2013 7:16 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    you don’t need to be conservative to have a scene of smell.
    As hard as it is to believe, I was banned from LGF for being too liberal.
    Amazing how times change, I find today’s LGF way too extreme for my tastes. I may be a liberal, but first and foremost, I’m a pragmatist who dislikes extremism from either side.

    that’s nice…why do you favor the collapse of our economy?…what’s in it for you?


  51. lobo91
    51 | January 30, 2013 7:18 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    When you have the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex, checks and balances are useless. Obama has become a man-god.
    no the courts just smacked down his recess appointments, he is no man-god he is just another OZ.

    No, the courts just issued another ream of worthless, unenforceable paper.

    His illegal appointees are still on the job, still drawing a paycheck, and still issuing illegal rulings.

    And they have no intention of stopping.


  52. brookly red
    52 | January 30, 2013 7:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    No, the courts just issued another ream of worthless, unenforceable paper.

    His illegal appointees are still on the job, still drawing a paycheck, and still issuing illegal rulings.

    And they have no intention of stopping.

    all true


  53. Da_Beerfreak
    53 | January 30, 2013 7:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    fultonchain wrote:
    idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.
    well it would appear they don’t actually work at all…

    John Adams has been proven correct: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    well our constitution’s main flaw is that it does not have teeth.

    That is incorrect.
    The teeth is the Second Amendment. aka the reset button.


  54. lobo91
    54 | January 30, 2013 7:22 pm

    @ brookly red:

    The “check and balance” account is overdrawn.


  55. brookly red
    55 | January 30, 2013 7:22 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    you don’t need to be conservative to have a scene of smell.

    As hard as it is to believe, I was banned from LGF for being too liberal.

    Amazing how times change, I find today’s LGF way too extreme for my tastes. I may be a liberal, but first and foremost, I’m a pragmatist who dislikes extremism from either side.

    I am sorry but I find the concept of a pragmatic liberal to be an oxymoron.


  56. fultonchain
    57 | January 30, 2013 7:24 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    that’s nice…why do you favor the collapse of our economy?…what’s in it for you?

    I am not an economist. To be honest, as far as I’m concerned, the numbers are cooked to support any position the analyst chooses to take.Then again, I don’t see our economy collapsing. Incremental improvements, measured in tenths of a percent, is still better than a steady downward trend.

    What I do know is that my business has picked up significantly in the last six months. I know that my taxes haven’t changed and if/when they do, they will go down a tiny bit. I know that my co-pay on doctor visits hasn’t changed.

    I want nothing from you. I pay my taxes, work hard and receive nothing from anybody. Except an honest wage for a days work.


  57. heysoos
    58 | January 30, 2013 7:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    The “check and balance” account is overdrawn.

    it’s bizarre with little historical precedence…could a court force federal marshals to shut them down forcibly?….that would be pretty cool


  58. lobo91
    59 | January 30, 2013 7:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    The “check and balance” account is overdrawn.
    it’s bizarre with little historical precedence…could a court force federal marshals to shut them down forcibly?….that would be pretty cool

    Nope. The Marshals Service is part of the executive branch. They work for Holder (and ultimately Obama).


  59. heysoos
    60 | January 30, 2013 7:27 pm

    @ fultonchain:
    but you support BO in spite of the rest of the people suffering?…you seem like another two bit elitist pig to me….your dumb luck will run out


  60. 61 | January 30, 2013 7:28 pm

    @ Tanker:

    I know the no nation building part.

    That is the main point. If we go to war, declare it and use massive force. Then get out. No interventions for humanitarian reasons, just if it’s a direct threat.


  61. brookly red
    62 | January 30, 2013 7:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    The “check and balance” account is overdrawn.
    it’s bizarre with little historical precedence…could a court force federal marshals to shut them down forcibly?….that would be pretty cool

    Nope. The Marshals Service is part of the executive branch. They work for Holder (and ultimately Obama).

    it’s enough to make one wish for a military coup


  62. 63 | January 30, 2013 7:31 pm

    Hat tip to Coldwarrior. Take a good look at the picture at the top of the link. That man is holding a Ten Million Dollar Bill, made payable by the central bank of Zimbabwe.

    There are cash-strapped governments and there are broke governments. And then there’s Zimbabwe, which, after paying last week’s government salaries, has just $217 left in the bank. No, we didn’t forget any zeroes to the end of that figure.


  63. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | January 30, 2013 7:31 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    Get a grip. We’re not and will never be Zimbabwe and anyone who thinks that it is the Presidents plan to make us into Zimbabwe is a clueless fool who has no idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.

    After all this Obamacare babble and 2nd Amendment nonsense, the bottom line is, and I’ll do it all caps for the reading impaired:

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED

    You are either a fool or crazy.

    Possibly both.


  64. brookly red
    65 | January 30, 2013 7:32 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    There are cash-strapped governments and there are broke governments. And then there’s Zimbabwe, which, after paying last week’s government salaries, has just $217 left in the bank. No, we didn’t forget any zeroes to the end of that figure.

    /$217 in cash as opposed to 16 trillion in debt? they might be on to something…


  65. 66 | January 30, 2013 7:33 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    I am not an economist.

    Then shut your piehole, there is one on the blog, and while I won’t out him, I’m sure he would not be offended by my calling you a fucking imbecile on this matter.


  66. 67 | January 30, 2013 7:33 pm

    @ heysoos:

    60% of American love the man. They view him as a deity.


  67. 68 | January 30, 2013 7:35 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    So much to answer, we’ll give it a try.

    Get a grip. We’re not and will never be Zimbabwe and anyone who thinks that it is the Presidents plan to make us into Zimbabwe is a clueless fool who has no idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.

    I did not sat that we would become Zimbabwe, and the reason for that is due to the checks and balances that you alluded to. Those checks and balances are not our President’s doing however, they are his road blocks. He himself has made several statements that basically let everyone know that he is not in favor of checks on his own personal power. The Constitution to our dear President is nothing more than an annoyance. As far as a Zimbabwe future being beyond the realm of possibility, if you believe that, you are the fool. Americans have this mistaken belief that our vast wealth as a nation is some sort of preordained happenstance. This is not reality based. Our vast wealth was created by previous generations who worked and sacrificed so that we may enjoy the fruits of their labors. Just like Barbara Hutton though, we are cannibalizing that wealth today. it may last for another hundred years, or longer, but if we continue along this path, we will eventually burn through it.

    After all this Obamacare babble and 2nd Amendment nonsense, the bottom line is, and I’ll do it all caps for the reading impaired:

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED

    We are in partial agreement here. Nothing that our current man child President has done so far can not be undone, with a lot of hard work, and by winning many consecutive elections. As of today, there has not been an amendment made to our Constitution, and that is a good thing. There are some definite changes to our laws however, and the impacts of those changes will be decidedly bad for the nation as a whole, whether the majority of Americans supported them or not, realized that this is what would happen when they voted for Obama or not, or believe in Unicorns or not.

    Instead of whining about the status-quo and bashing a duly elected President, why don’t you guys focus more on getting the folks you like elected? Think locally and all that. Because, unless you are doing that, you are just pissing into the wind and deluding yourself that you are some sort of prescient beings who know better than a clear majority of Americans. Convince us with a little more than conspiracy theory’s and hyperbole.

    There are some really erroneous assumptions made with this paragraph. One, that I do not, as the author of this piece volunteer for local politicians, or volunteer my time for national politicians as well. I was a part of Romney’s ORCA disaster. As for my visions of my self worth, I do not feel that writing this blog makes me important, I do it for fun. Holding the President accountable is not the same thing as trafficking in conspiracy theories. The simple fact is that his political beliefs are an exact match for Robert Mugabe’s. Whether he is allowed to accomplish that vision for our nation is irrelevant to that fact.

    The hubris is astounding.

    Perhaps we have different definitions of hubris. Your belief that our nation will forever be immune from poor economic policy simply because we can afford it currently is what I would call hubris, and a dangerous hubris at that.

    I would suggest a weekly Blogmocracy politician. In a swing district. Highlight that guy (whether you are for or against him) and then target his/hers constituency addressing specific positions. Do that and you might effect change. Otherwise, your just a bunch of sore losers and malcontents preaching to the choir.

    One could argue that we are at least preaching to you as well. As I said, I do volunteer in my spare time. Thanks for your advice though, after all, your side is currently in power. That too, like everything else in the world of politics is temporary. Will you so willingly swallow your own pill when the shoe is inevitably on the other foot?


  68. 69 | January 30, 2013 7:35 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    There are cash-strapped governments and there are broke governments. And then there’s Zimbabwe, which, after paying last week’s government salaries, has just $217 left in the bank. No, we didn’t forget any zeroes to the end of that figure.
    /$217 in cash as opposed to 16 trillion in debt? they might be on to something…

    ROTFLMAO… This is their equivalent to a 1 dollar bill.


  69. Da_Beerfreak
    70 | January 30, 2013 7:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    60% of American love the man. They view him as a deity.

    And the other 60% thinks he’s a worthless POS.

    (Anybody can do liberal math if they try.)


  70. 71 | January 30, 2013 7:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    60% of American love the man. They view him as a deity.

    Dude… please, he got 50.51 percent of the vote, and that includes 1.5 million illegally cast votes in California alone.


  71. 72 | January 30, 2013 7:38 pm

    Oh, and would somebody please give me the address to the Facebook page where Kuffer keeps posting my blog articles?


  72. lobo91
    73 | January 30, 2013 7:39 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    100% of the humans and 100% of the canines in my household think he’s a worthless POS.

    That makes 200%
    //


  73. fultonchain
    74 | January 30, 2013 7:40 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Then shut your piehole, there is one on the blog, and while I won’t out him, I’m sure he would not be offended by my calling you a fucking imbecile on this matter.

    Amazing… you have me, an acknowledged liberal with an open mind, engaging you on points of fact. And this is what you have in response?

    Name calling works so well. I could respond in kind, throw in a few profanities (you seem to think this helps make a point)and bluster my way through. Without a word of substance.

    Rock on, my friend. Way to win hearts and minds.

    Then wonder why you always lose in the end.


  74. brookly red
    75 | January 30, 2013 7:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    60% of American love the man. They view him as a deity.

    as long as we keep printing money… there will come a time pray it soon when he will be consumed by his own class warfare.


  75. buzzsawmonkey
    76 | January 30, 2013 7:41 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    me, an acknowledged liberal with an open mind, engaging you on points of fact.

    A preening, self-regarding asshole, admiring his own reflection in a handmirror and offering elided nuggets out of context.


  76. 77 | January 30, 2013 7:42 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    Way to win hearts and minds.

    I’m not trying to win your heart or mind, since it honestly (not a concept you are actually familiar with) isn’t possible. I read enough of your crap here to know you supposed open mind is straight up bullshit.


  77. lobo91
    78 | January 30, 2013 7:42 pm

    Dem Sen. Diane Feinstein: “We Can’t Have A Totally Armed Society”

    “The question comes, what do you do about the malls then? What do you do about our movie theatres? What do you do about businesses? We can’t have a totally armed society – and that’s my feeling.”

    Someone please give this idiot a ticket back to California.


  78. heysoos
    79 | January 30, 2013 7:43 pm

    @ fultonchain:
    here’s a chance to express yourself point n fact….
    how much debt is too much?…you don’t have to be an economist, just give me your gut feeling, we’ll do the math


  79. 80 | January 30, 2013 7:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Someone please give this idiot a ticket back to California.

    Why you got to hate on California like that? She needs a first class ticket right straight to the same Federal Prison that Randy “Duke” Cunningham is in.


  80. 81 | January 30, 2013 7:46 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    The Republicans have not fought nearly hard enough to prevent Barack Obama from inflicting his vision upon our nation. So, from that perspective, I would lay some of the blame on Republicans.

    This speaks directly to “the base” question and I’m done with the base. As I said on the previous thread:

    If the base couldn’t instinctively march in the same general direction to keep a man like Obama out of the White House in ’08, and again fail to march in the same general direction to get his ass out of the White house in ’12, what the hell good are they?

    I’ve no more allegiance to this elusive, bitchy “base” because they seem to put their narrow interests over the interests of this country. Screw ‘em because they’ve screwed all of us…twice.

    I agree with you to a point. Once the primaries were over in the early summer last year, I wrote, if you’ll recall, an essay in which I pledged full support of Mitt Romney, and admonished those who read it to do the same. I felt it important that we put aside our differences once that decision was made to get Mitt elected.

    Now that the election is over, I do feel as though it is in my interests, and in the best interests of the country to have a political party that actually represents the values that I hold as a conservative. yes the base is cranky, but deservedly so. The problem is two fold. One, the Republican establishment is clearly at odds with the majority of the people most likely to vote in their candidates. They have expressed real animosity for the Tea Party, despite the fact that it was the Tea Party that gave them the 2010 mid term victory. They have thrown their weight behind the squishy middle and big government candidates, despite the the overwhelming majority of their voting base holds a differing view. Now, that the elections are far off, is the perfect time to have this fight, which quite frankly has been put off for far too long.

    I will agree that there are far too many purists out there with their own brand of single issue purity tests to do anyone any good. If you don’t support their one pet issue, they’ll take their toys and go home. To that group, and Paulbats I’m speaking to you here, I say good riddance. They were never a help anyway.

    With all of that being said, I feel that the give and take and infighting, while uncomfortable for most, is healthy for our side. We need to air these differences.


  81. brookly red
    82 | January 30, 2013 7:46 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    an open mind,

    there you go with the oxymorons again… how can you have a firm conviction and an open mind. go ahead and get the crew all worked up, personally I find it rather boring.


  82. lobo91
    83 | January 30, 2013 7:47 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Someone please give this idiot a ticket back to California.
    Why you got to hate on California like that? She needs a first class ticket right straight to the same Federal Prison that Randy “Duke” Cunningham is in.

    Actually, I don’t much give a crap where she goes, as long as she isn’t in a position to screw up my country anymore.


  83. 84 | January 30, 2013 7:49 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    See #68. I believe it fits your criteria in terms of response.


  84. lobo91
    85 | January 30, 2013 7:49 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    How about we send her to Gaza?


  85. 86 | January 30, 2013 7:49 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The fact is he won. His approval ratings have soared since then.

    He got 51% of the vote.


  86. lobo91
    87 | January 30, 2013 7:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    The fact is he won. His approval ratings have soared since then.
    He got 51% of the vote.

    Which mainly proves how well the MSM is still able to shape opinion.


  87. 88 | January 30, 2013 7:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    How about we send her to Gaza?

    Works for me, can we dress her in pig skins first?


  88. 89 | January 30, 2013 7:52 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    We have to deal with reality. Obama and the Democrats have a lock on the public. Republicans/Conservative shave become the boogeyman to most Americans.

    Until the Right acknowledges this fact, we will not win anything.


  89. 90 | January 30, 2013 7:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    The fact is he won. His approval ratings have soared since then.
    He got 51% of the vote.
    Which mainly proves how well the MSM is still able to shape opinion.

    Or tell lies, cause I for one do not believe3 the polls claiming he is increasing in popularity, just pure Marxist Fifth Column Treasonous Media Propaganda.


  90. 91 | January 30, 2013 7:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yup, no disagreement there. I call it the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex.


  91. fultonchain
    92 | January 30, 2013 7:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    fultonchain wrote:

    A preening, self-regarding asshole, admiring his own reflection in a handmirror and offering elided nuggets out of context.

    Suck my hairy ass you self-pitying whiny little bitch. You lost. You lost because of your inability to look at anything beyond your tiny little view of world. Get over it and go run for office or something.

    Get a clue. The country doesn’t agree with you and rather than seek change, you would rather sit in a corner of your garage masturbating with your guns to Sarah Palin photos on Newsmax.

    While your prepping for the next revolution, the rest of us are raising children, going to work and generally getting on with our lives.

    Join the elite. Get an education and learn how to express yourself. Then maybe you can do something other than be a dick.


  92. 93 | January 30, 2013 7:54 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Take your Obama loving monkey ass somewhere else.


  93. 94 | January 30, 2013 7:54 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The sad part is to the American public we are the bad guys now.

    You know the reason ad have said it many times. The 5th Column Treasonous Media/Media-Entertainment Complex. Until we address this 800 lb Gorilla, we can run the best candidate and they will still lose.


  94. brookly red
    95 | January 30, 2013 7:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Which mainly proves how well the MSM is still able to shape opinion.

    no it proves we need to make voter fraud a hanging offense


  95. heysoos
    96 | January 30, 2013 7:56 pm

    @ fultonchain:
    that was fun


  96. Calo
    97 | January 30, 2013 7:56 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Join the elite. Get an education and learn how to express yourself. Then maybe you can do something other than be a dick.

    uh oh :shock:


  97. 98 | January 30, 2013 7:57 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Be honest, your side has the advantage because you have the Media, Academia and the Popular Culture. Plus the Democrats have assembled a formidable electoral machine. If the playing field was leveled, it would be a different story.

    Admit, you have the advantage.


  98. heysoos
    99 | January 30, 2013 7:57 pm

    JOIN THE ELITE!!


  99. 100 | January 30, 2013 7:57 pm

    @ brookly red:

    no it proves we need to make voter fraud a hanging offense

    Stout Hemp Rope!

    Ask Dorian!


  100. 101 | January 30, 2013 7:58 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Dude come on, there was no need for that. That’s not your style.


  101. lobo91
    102 | January 30, 2013 7:58 pm

    @ Calo:

    Might want to seek cover


  102. heysoos
    103 | January 30, 2013 7:58 pm

    my shit don’t stink…
    JOIN THE ELITE!!


  103. brookly red
    104 | January 30, 2013 7:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    The sad part is to the American public we are the bad guys now.

    You know the reason ad have said it many times. The 5th Column Treasonous Media/Media-Entertainment Complex. Until we address this 800 lb Gorilla, we can run the best candidate and they will still lose.

    I threw out my TV many years ago, I don’t buy newspapers or pay to see movies. If you feed the beast you own it.


  104. 105 | January 30, 2013 7:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    The sad part is to the American public we are the bad guys now.
    You know the reason ad have said it many times. The 5th Column Treasonous Media/Media-Entertainment Complex. Until we address this 800 lb Gorilla, we can run the best candidate and they will still lose.

    15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

    You should really read the whole list, as it was entered into the congressional record in 1963 by U.S. Congressman Albert S. Herlong, Jr. of Florida.


  105. brookly red
    106 | January 30, 2013 8:00 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    fultonchain wrote:

    A preening, self-regarding asshole, admiring his own reflection in a handmirror and offering elided nuggets out of context.

    Suck my hairy ass you self-pitying whiny little bitch. You lost. You lost because of your inability to look at anything beyond your tiny little view of world. Get over it and go run for office or something.

    Get a clue. The country doesn’t agree with you and rather than seek change, you would rather sit in a corner of your garage masturbating with your guns to Sarah Palin photos on Newsmax.

    While your prepping for the next revolution, the rest of us are raising children, going to work and generally getting on with our lives.

    Join the elite. Get an education and learn how to express yourself. Then maybe you can do something other than be a dick.

    oooh fonzie loses his cool… you had a good run almost 5 whole posts.


  106. lobo91
    107 | January 30, 2013 8:00 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Admit, you have the advantage.

    Advantage?

    They’ve been engaged in a slow-motion coup since the 1930s. This isn’t just some coincidence.


  107. buzzsawmonkey
    108 | January 30, 2013 8:00 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    Suck my hairy ass you self-pitying whiny little bitch. You lost. You lost because of your inability to look at anything beyond your tiny little view of world. Get over it and go run for office or something.

    Get a clue. The country doesn’t agree with you and rather than seek change, you would rather sit in a corner of your garage masturbating with your guns to Sarah Palin photos on Newsmax.

    While your prepping for the next revolution, the rest of us are raising children, going to work and generally getting on with our lives.

    Join the elite. Get an education and learn how to express yourself. Then maybe you can do something other than be a dick.

    Listen, you small-time turd; anybody can win when they have the media whoring for them 24/7, the universities, high schools, and elementary schools filling the nation’s children with crap, and a bunch of paid goons to send in phony ballots.

    The fact that your side ONLY has the presidency, slightly better than half the Senate, and a shitload of bureaucrats means that you need that entire pallet-load of thumbs on the scale to get the advantage over us.

    I’d say, “bite me,” but I wouldn’t sully my dick with your mouth.


  108. Da_Beerfreak
    109 | January 30, 2013 8:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Calo:

    Might want to seek cover

    And get out the popcorn…


  109. 110 | January 30, 2013 8:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Notice which set of comments he responds to, and which ones he doesn’t? He wrote a critique of my work at the beginning of the thread, and I took the trouble to answer his concerns. Not a peep in terms of debate based on logical grounds. Here he is though, throwing epithets like the best, and claiming that he can not get factual debate from the political right. Could it be that Fultonchain is indeed disingenuous?


  110. brookly red
    111 | January 30, 2013 8:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ fultonchain:

    Dude come on, there was no need for that. That’s not your style.

    with all due respect, apparently it is


  111. 112 | January 30, 2013 8:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    no it proves we need to make voter fraud a hanging offense
    Stout Hemp Rope!
    Ask Dorian!

    Welcome to the Stout Hemp Rope Party…


  112. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | January 30, 2013 8:02 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Could it be that Fultonchain is indeed disingenuous?

    Why, golly gosh…I do believe so…


  113. 114 | January 30, 2013 8:03 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I would say since 1912. Just in the last decade, they really have built a machine.


  114. 115 | January 30, 2013 8:03 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Could it be that Fultonchain is indeed disingenuous?

    Is Obama a narcissist? Is Erick Holder a lying murdering douche bag?


  115. 116 | January 30, 2013 8:03 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Hemp is a good money making business.


  116. 117 | January 30, 2013 8:03 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Fine -- as long as you mean BAJA California.


  117. buzzsawmonkey
    118 | January 30, 2013 8:03 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Basically, the little Smeagol came ’round to persuade everyone to sign up for gelding, and got pissed when his sale didn’t go over so well.


  118. lobo91
    119 | January 30, 2013 8:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Fine — as long as you mean BAJA California.

    Drop her dumb ass off in the middle of downtown Juarez, as far as I’m concerned.

    She’ll get a good education in the wonders of gun control there.


  119. heysoos
    120 | January 30, 2013 8:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Hemp is a good money making business.

    but not in America…it’s a disgrace


  120. 121 | January 30, 2013 8:05 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Basically, the little Smeagol came ’round to persuade everyone to sign up for gelding, and got pissed when his sale didn’t go over so well.

    Yup.


  121. 122 | January 30, 2013 8:06 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Seriously. Not that I’m sure it matters to him, and as others here will attest, I’ve always held him up as a someone on the other side of the aisle that you could have a discussion with.

    That went completely 180 today, and I have to agree, the first post came off as arrogant and condescending. All respect for him lost. Perhaps he can go where his brilliance will be better appreciated among the other “elite.”


  122. 123 | January 30, 2013 8:07 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ doriangrey:

    We should do a Hemp appreciation thread.


  123. 124 | January 30, 2013 8:08 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, he never was like that. He also thinks we are a monolith here. We are far from that.

    Despite winning the election, Progressives have gotten angrier. It’s weird.


  124. brookly red
    125 | January 30, 2013 8:09 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Perhaps he can go where his brilliance will be better appreciated among the other “elite.”

    I think I can get him a date with Piers Morgan… maybe that will take the edge off ?


  125. buzzsawmonkey
    126 | January 30, 2013 8:10 pm

    Fultonchain is the Green Witch in CS Lewis’ The Silver Chair. There is no sun, there is no world; his miserable little underground kingdom is the only world, so submit and live with it.

    Those who have read The Silver Chair will recall that one of the characters says to the Witch, “Well, that may be. We’re just babies playing a game—but it seems like three babies playing a game beats your “real world” hollow. So I’m going to live like a Narnian even if there isn’t any Narnia; I’m on the side of Aslan even if there’s no Aslan to follow.”

    Interestingly, once that character says that, the Witch drops all her sweet words and conciliatory phrases, and tries to kill people. And just like the Witch in Lewis’s book, Fultonchain gets nasty and vicious as soon as he and his worldview are challenged, for all his lying sweet words.


  126. Mars
    127 | January 30, 2013 8:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I would say since 1912. Just in the last decade, they really have built a machine.

    Not really look where the machine is. Now go research Tammany Hall. The old system was never disassembled. They never waste a chance or a working system.


  127. fultonchain
    128 | January 30, 2013 8:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ fultonchain:

    Dude come on, there was no need for that. That’s not your style.

    Did you notice the what I was responding to?


  128. heysoos
    129 | January 30, 2013 8:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ doriangrey:
    We should do a Hemp appreciation thread.

    I’ve posted about hemp til I’m hoarse bro…nobody…nobody listens


  129. brookly red
    130 | January 30, 2013 8:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, he never was like that. He also thinks we are a monolith here. We are far from that.

    Despite winning the election, Progressives have gotten angrier. It’s weird.

    not really, they were always angry and hateful, “winning” the election just lets them come out of their closet.


  130. 131 | January 30, 2013 8:12 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    You came in here hostile today. You normally are not like that. You disagree, but you called us loons here. You should know we have differences here and are not what you described.


  131. 132 | January 30, 2013 8:13 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ Rodan:

    And, I answered that comment, in full. He clearly chose not to debate that and defend his position. He chose instead to get right down in the gutter and call everyone names. I felt him to be condescending as well, but at least I showed him the respect to address his rambling in as coherent a manner as I could muster.

    He could have had the substantive debate he was looking for, and chose instead to go another route.


  132. brookly red
    133 | January 30, 2013 8:13 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ fultonchain:

    Dude come on, there was no need for that. That’s not your style.

    Did you notice the what I was responding to?

    Oh here comes the victim song. la la la


  133. Mars
    134 | January 30, 2013 8:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yeah, he never was like that. He also thinks we are a monolith here. We are far from that.
    Despite winning the election, Progressives have gotten angrier. It’s weird.

    I’ve explained the psychology of liberalism enough it shouldn’t surprise anyone. This is just liberalism unplugged.

    This is who they are. Anything else is a front.

    All that matters is revenge, domination, and proving their superiority over the lessers.


  134. buzzsawmonkey
    135 | January 30, 2013 8:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Despite winning the election, Progressives have gotten angrier. It’s weird.

    For shriveled souls, being churlish in victory is no stretch.


  135. Da_Beerfreak
    136 | January 30, 2013 8:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Fine — as long as you mean BAJA California.

    Drop her dumb ass off in the middle of downtown Juarez, as far as I’m concerned.

    She’ll get a good education in the wonders of gun control there.

    Drop her off in Timbuktu where she can explain to the French legionnaires and the Malians why having assault weapons is a bad thing… :twisted:


  136. Mars
    137 | January 30, 2013 8:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ fultonchain:
    You came in here hostile today. You normally are not like that. You disagree, but you called us loons here. You should know we have differences here and are not what you described.

    You are not as he is thus you are “other”. The sooner you realize that the happier you will be.


  137. fultonchain
    138 | January 30, 2013 8:16 pm

    You guys are hysterical… all of a sudden, I’m the bad guy.

    What about, “A preening, self-regarding asshole, admiring his own reflection in a handmirror and offering elided nuggets out of context.”

    I was entirely civil until I was attacked.


  138. RIX
    139 | January 30, 2013 8:16 pm

    Ok, can’t make this up.
    O’Reiley just had a film clip with Christie Hefner on Morning Joe today.
    She tied gun violence in Chicago to Global Warming!
    Yup, violence spikes in warm weather, so it’s Global Warming.
    Get it?


  139. coldwarrior
    140 | January 30, 2013 8:17 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    had you read my thread and done the assigned reading you wouldnt have said that i think that obama wants to turn us into zim.

    it would be very hard to do as long as the us$ has seigniorage in the international trade market.

    obama is straight out of the african liberation school tho. this is very apartent both in action, and word both written and spoken.

    so, my friend, since you didnt actually read what i posted, i would advise next time not to be so full of hubris and bluster.

    how ya doin tonight?


  140. mtc
    141 | January 30, 2013 8:17 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    How about taking yours somewhere else like that blog of yours that no one reads? I don’t agree with everything that Fulton is saying but we didn’t get here in a vacuum. Republicans helped; hell they helped confirm Kerry with a vote of 94-3. Say what you like about the Bork and Thomas hearings my fellow Dems put up a fight as unfair as it may have been. If the Republicans don’t like Obama start impeachment proceedings and stop threatening civil war. I won’t switch parties though I agree more with the Republicans because there is too much talk of secession and stupidity about guns. I’m sure there is a middle way that doesn’t violate the 2nd Amendment. Oh and shut up Dorian you !&@? drunken idiot!! If you can’t be civil, STFU


  141. buzzsawmonkey
    142 | January 30, 2013 8:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Why are you trying to curry favor with this smarmy little bastard? His whole objective is to sow division and despair. You think you’re “converting” him, “reaching out” to him? He’s gaming you.


  142. brookly red
    143 | January 30, 2013 8:18 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    You guys are hysterical… all of a sudden, I’m the bad guy.

    What about, “A preening, self-regarding asshole, admiring his own reflection in a handmirror and offering elided nuggets out of context.”

    I was entirely civil until I was attacked.

    no you were a passive aggressive case study till you were stood up to.


  143. buzzsawmonkey
    144 | January 30, 2013 8:18 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    What about, “A preening, self-regarding asshole, admiring his own reflection in a handmirror and offering elided nuggets out of context.”

    What about that is inaccurate? Be specific.


  144. heysoos
    145 | January 30, 2013 8:19 pm

    Motown…the real deal


  145. 146 | January 30, 2013 8:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Hemp is a good money making business.

    but not in America…it’s a disgrace

    Not true, “Hemp” as opposed to marijuana, still has a very good name in America. it has a number of great product uses and commands some very high prices for said products. And that’s not just amongst the Ron Paul, libertarian smell pot smoking hippy crowd either.

    It makes a great stationary, great garments, and of course, truly wonderful rope.


  146. 147 | January 30, 2013 8:20 pm

    @ mtc:

    Go to hell douche bag.


  147. brookly red
    148 | January 30, 2013 8:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    fultonchain wrote:

    What about, “A preening, self-regarding asshole, admiring his own reflection in a handmirror and offering elided nuggets out of context.”

    What about that is inaccurate? Be specific.

    well that hand mirror thing was a bit insulting, I mean really give the guy proper respect he can afford a full length I am sure.


  148. 149 | January 30, 2013 8:22 pm

    @ Mars:

    They want complete control.


  149. CynicalConservative
    150 | January 30, 2013 8:23 pm

    Looks like CW’s stalker found a new target.

    Interesting times here says the lurking observer.

    /galt


  150. 151 | January 30, 2013 8:23 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He has been on this blog since the early days. He was not like this.


  151. brookly red
    152 | January 30, 2013 8:23 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ mtc:

    Go to hell douche bag.

    I don’t usually trash anyone here but that guy, I don’t know… it’s like someone taught Jimma how to read and write.


  152. buzzsawmonkey
    153 | January 30, 2013 8:24 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well that hand mirror thing was a bit insulting, I mean really give the guy proper respect he can afford a full length I am sure.

    Yes, but the reclining back and regarding himself admiringly in the hand mirror, with the appropriately languid flip of the wrist and toss of the head, more properly describes his popinjay attitude.


  153. 154 | January 30, 2013 8:24 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Here is your chance to have the debate you claim to wish. Reset your anger meter to zero, ignore that which is upsetting you, and focus.

    You said this:

    Get a grip. We’re not and will never be Zimbabwe and anyone who thinks that it is the Presidents plan to make us into Zimbabwe is a clueless fool who has no idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.

    After all this Obamacare babble and 2nd Amendment nonsense, the bottom line is, and I’ll do it all caps for the reading impaired:

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED

    Instead of whining about the status-quo and bashing a duly elected President, why don’t you guys focus more on getting the folks you like elected? Think locally and all that. Because, unless you are doing that, you are just pissing into the wind and deluding yourself that you are some sort of prescient beings who know better than a clear majority of Americans. Convince us with a little more than conspiracy theory’s and hyperbole.

    The hubris is astounding.

    I would suggest a weekly Blogmocracy politician. In a swing district. Highlight that guy (whether you are for or against him) and then target his/hers constituency addressing specific positions. Do that and you might effect change. Otherwise, your just a bunch of sore losers and malcontents preaching to the choir.

    I answered with this:

    So much to answer, we’ll give it a try.

    Get a grip. We’re not and will never be Zimbabwe and anyone who thinks that it is the Presidents plan to make us into Zimbabwe is a clueless fool who has no idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.

    I did not sat that we would become Zimbabwe, and the reason for that is due to the checks and balances that you alluded to. Those checks and balances are not our President’s doing however, they are his road blocks. He himself has made several statements that basically let everyone know that he is not in favor of checks on his own personal power. The Constitution to our dear President is nothing more than an annoyance. As far as a Zimbabwe future being beyond the realm of possibility, if you believe that, you are the fool. Americans have this mistaken belief that our vast wealth as a nation is some sort of preordained happenstance. This is not reality based. Our vast wealth was created by previous generations who worked and sacrificed so that we may enjoy the fruits of their labors. Just like Barbara Hutton though, we are cannibalizing that wealth today. it may last for another hundred years, or longer, but if we continue along this path, we will eventually burn through it.

    After all this Obamacare babble and 2nd Amendment nonsense, the bottom line is, and I’ll do it all caps for the reading impaired:

    NOTHING HAS CHANGED

    We are in partial agreement here. Nothing that our current man child President has done so far can not be undone, with a lot of hard work, and by winning many consecutive elections. As of today, there has not been an amendment made to our Constitution, and that is a good thing. There are some definite changes to our laws however, and the impacts of those changes will be decidedly bad for the nation as a whole, whether the majority of Americans supported them or not, realized that this is what would happen when they voted for Obama or not, or believe in Unicorns or not.

    Instead of whining about the status-quo and bashing a duly elected President, why don’t you guys focus more on getting the folks you like elected? Think locally and all that. Because, unless you are doing that, you are just pissing into the wind and deluding yourself that you are some sort of prescient beings who know better than a clear majority of Americans. Convince us with a little more than conspiracy theory’s and hyperbole.

    There are some really erroneous assumptions made with this paragraph. One, that I do not, as the author of this piece volunteer for local politicians, or volunteer my time for national politicians as well. I was a part of Romney’s ORCA disaster. As for my visions of my self worth, I do not feel that writing this blog makes me important, I do it for fun. Holding the President accountable is not the same thing as trafficking in conspiracy theories. The simple fact is that his political beliefs are an exact match for Robert Mugabe’s. Whether he is allowed to accomplish that vision for our nation is irrelevant to that fact.

    The hubris is astounding.

    Perhaps we have different definitions of hubris. Your belief that our nation will forever be immune from poor economic policy simply because we can afford it currently is what I would call hubris, and a dangerous hubris at that.

    I would suggest a weekly Blogmocracy politician. In a swing district. Highlight that guy (whether you are for or against him) and then target his/hers constituency addressing specific positions. Do that and you might effect change. Otherwise, your just a bunch of sore losers and malcontents preaching to the choir.

    One could argue that we are at least preaching to you as well. As I said, I do volunteer in my spare time. Thanks for your advice though, after all, your side is currently in power. That too, like everything else in the world of politics is temporary. Will you so willingly swallow your own pill when the shoe is inevitably on the other foot?

    Your turn, go.


  154. coldwarrior
    155 | January 30, 2013 8:24 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    hemp is lost $$$ here. there is no reason why we cant be using it as a crop.

    the stuff is incredibly versatile as a fiber, esp for stout ropes and such.


  155. Mars
    156 | January 30, 2013 8:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    They want complete control.

    It’s at the core of their belief. The truth of the matter is that they want control so they can get revenge on everyone and everything that ever caused them the slightest pain or inconvenience.


  156. buzzsawmonkey
    157 | January 30, 2013 8:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He has been on this blog since the early days. He was not like this.

    I guess sticking one’s tongue up Obama’s ass is more toxic than science originally realized.


  157. buzzsawmonkey
    158 | January 30, 2013 8:27 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The truth of the matter is that they want control so they can get revenge on everyone and everything that ever caused them the slightest pain or inconvenience.

    I forget who first said, “Liberals don’t care what you do, as long as it’s compulsory.”


  158. heysoos
    159 | January 30, 2013 8:27 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    it’s a fucked up fed deal…we consume hemp, but we don’t produce it…sound familiar?…I hate the feds


  159. 160 | January 30, 2013 8:28 pm

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    Looks like CW’s stalker found a new target.
    Interesting times here says the lurking observer.
    /galt

    Oh that happen right after I called the douche bag out for stalking cw…


  160. brookly red
    161 | January 30, 2013 8:30 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    They want complete control.

    It’s at the core of their belief. The truth of the matter is that they want control so they can get revenge on everyone and everything that ever caused them the slightest pain or inconvenience.

    yeah, be careful who you beat up in the school yard they might grow up to be important :)


  161. CynicalConservative
    162 | January 30, 2013 8:31 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Ah. Must have missed that. Nice to see you back and posting a bit. Missed seeing your inputs (yes, even (especially?) the colorful ones).

    /galt


  162. Mars
    163 | January 30, 2013 8:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    The truth of the matter is that they want control so they can get revenge on everyone and everything that ever caused them the slightest pain or inconvenience.
    I forget who first said, “Liberals don’t care what you do, as long as it’s compulsory.”

    That’s the truth and a half. Scratch a liberal and you will always find a totalitarian.


  163. heysoos
    164 | January 30, 2013 8:33 pm

    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive


  164. Calo
    165 | January 30, 2013 8:33 pm

    @ CynicalConservative:
    *grabbing a big bucket of popcorn now*

    /wallflower status on


  165. Mars
    166 | January 30, 2013 8:34 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mars:
    They want complete control.
    It’s at the core of their belief. The truth of the matter is that they want control so they can get revenge on everyone and everything that ever caused them the slightest pain or inconvenience.

    yeah, be careful who you beat up in the school yard they might grow up to be important

    The key difference between liberals and conservatives. Both of them deal with assholes in school. Both want revenge to destroy their enemies.

    One side grows up. The other nurtures their anger. The liberals allow their anger to grow and spread until it becomes who they are.


  166. 167 | January 30, 2013 8:34 pm

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Ah. Must have missed that. Nice to see you back and posting a bit. Missed seeing your inputs (yes, even (especially?) the colorful ones).
    /galt

    I’ve been busy with that blog of mine that nobody, except the 10,000 or so people that read it each month, read… :twisted:


  167. 168 | January 30, 2013 8:35 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco… :shock:


  168. Calo
    169 | January 30, 2013 8:36 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Meh, I read it and even tweet back a response every now and then.


  169. brookly red
    170 | January 30, 2013 8:36 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The key difference between liberals and conservatives. Both of them deal with assholes in school. Both want revenge to destroy their enemies.

    jeeze they should just shank em and get over it…


  170. coldwarrior
    171 | January 30, 2013 8:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    seriously, think about that!


  171. brookly red
    172 | January 30, 2013 8:37 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco…

    pssst did you know smoking pot makes you paranoid LOL


  172. 173 | January 30, 2013 8:37 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Meh, I read it and even tweet back a response every now and then.

    True, usually to make fun of me when I screw up a link or something though… :razz:


  173. 174 | January 30, 2013 8:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive
    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco…

    pssst did you know smoking pot makes you paranoid LOL

    BWAHAHAHAHAH… No…. BWAHAHAHAHAH… you don’t say… :lol: :lol: :lol:


  174. buzzsawmonkey
    175 | January 30, 2013 8:39 pm

    Notice, by the way, that snivelling little shit fultonchain skedaddled as soon as he was challenged and his whining was not met by soothing comforting offers of teddy bears and lollipops.

    Little creep comes slinking in here throwing his tiny chest out because he’s being so bighearted as to listen to us and engage us—and he bolts at the first harsh word.

    He’d have to study up to be a pussy.


  175. 176 | January 30, 2013 8:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It was comment 154 that sent him running for his mama’s skirt.


  176. AZfederalist
    177 | January 30, 2013 8:43 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Sorry to go off topic, but this caught my eye.
    They are planning to bulldoze Regans boyhood Chicago
    home, to make way for a parking lot for an Obama library.

    As Stalin on e said when deriding a picture that had Lenin in it, “There can only be one sun”


  177. Mars
    178 | January 30, 2013 8:43 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco…

    Yep. Potheads can even light up here in MT after the reinstatement of the ban. They get less of a penalty than I would if I lit up in a cigar shop.


  178. heysoos
    179 | January 30, 2013 8:43 pm

    somebody’s old favorite…I still like it, background dinner muzak


  179. brookly red
    180 | January 30, 2013 8:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Notice, by the way, that snivelling little shit fultonchain skedaddled as soon as he was challenged and his whining was not met by soothing comforting offers of teddy bears and lollipops.

    Little creep comes slinking in here throwing his tiny chest out because he’s being so bighearted as to listen to us and engage us—and he bolts at the first harsh word.

    He’d have to study up to be a pussy.

    no I bet he is reading your post as we speak and plotting his revenge, well with one hand anyway.


  180. Da_Beerfreak
    181 | January 30, 2013 8:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco…

    pssst did you know smoking pot makes you paranoid LOL

    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re NOT out to get you. :shock:


  181. buzzsawmonkey
    182 | January 30, 2013 8:45 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    It was comment 154 that sent him running for his mama’s skirt.

    I like to consider it a joint effort: you demanded that he justify his nonfactual claims with hard facts; I showed him that his posturing, preening attitude did not cut it.

    Had he one or the other to take refuge in, he might have dared to hang around, but with neither place to run to cover he had no place to hide.


  182. RIX
    183 | January 30, 2013 8:47 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Sorry to go off topic, but this caught my eye.
    They are planning to bulldoze Regans boyhood Chicago
    home, to make way for a parking lot for an Obama library.

    As Stalin on e said when deriding a picture that had Lenin in it, “There can only be one sun”

    I am sure that BHO envies the absolute power that Stalin had.


  183. buzzsawmonkey
    184 | January 30, 2013 8:47 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    no I bet he is reading your post as we speak and plotting his revenge, well with one hand anyway.

    Fuck him and the Pekinese he rode in on.

    In other news, Barrett Brown is under serious indictment. Wonder if he can get Bradley Manning as a cellmate.


  184. 185 | January 30, 2013 8:47 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    legalization should be an issue the Right jumps on. It’s a winning issue and keep in mind, it was Democrats who banned it. But the Republicans love the drug war/police state.


  185. 186 | January 30, 2013 8:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    agreed!


  186. brookly red
    187 | January 30, 2013 8:48 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco…

    pssst did you know smoking pot makes you paranoid LOL

    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re NOT out to get you.

    true… we are gonna take your pot AND smack your pee-pee


  187. buzzsawmonkey
    188 | January 30, 2013 8:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I am sure that BHO envies the absolute power that Stalin had.

    When you consider what he’s married to, I don’t doubt it for an instant.


  188. heysoos
    189 | January 30, 2013 8:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive
    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco…

    Yep. Potheads can even light up here in MT after the reinstatement of the ban. They get less of a penalty than I would if I lit up in a cigar shop.

    right..but the point of all this fancy is to get pot dismissed from a schedule 1 drug and get hemp online as a commercial winner


  189. coldwarrior
    190 | January 30, 2013 8:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    legalization should be an issue the Right jumps on. It’s a winning issue and keep in mind, it was Democrats who banned it. But the Republicans love the drug war/police state.

    i’d be all for the states deciding if they want pot legal or not.


  190. waldensianspirit
    191 | January 30, 2013 8:49 pm

    fultonchain


  191. waldensianspirit
    192 | January 30, 2013 8:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Or county


  192. coldwarrior
    193 | January 30, 2013 8:50 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    right..but the point of all this fancy is to get pot dismissed from a schedule 1 drug and get hemp online as a commercial winner

    double winner! let the states decide!

    and if the state decides to tax the pot, dont give any to DC ($$$ that is)


  193. Mars
    194 | January 30, 2013 8:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive

    legalization should be an issue the Right jumps on. It’s a winning issue and keep in mind, it was Democrats who banned it. But the Republicans love the drug war/police state.

    If you lived through even partial legalization you might get it.


  194. RIX
    195 | January 30, 2013 8:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I am sure that BHO envies the absolute power that Stalin had.

    When you consider what he’s married to, I don’t doubt it for an instant.

    But the bangs are a nice touch.


  195. brookly red
    196 | January 30, 2013 8:51 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I am sure that BHO envies the absolute power that Stalin had.

    I am sure he does… I am also sure he puts his hands over as much of his ears as he can and stamps his feet and screams No,no,no when he sees where the soviet union is today :)


  196. fultonchain
    197 | January 30, 2013 8:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Notice, by the way, that snivelling little shit fultonchain skedaddled as soon as he was challenged and his whining was not met by soothing comforting offers of teddy bears and lollipops.

    Little creep comes slinking in here throwing his tiny chest out because he’s being so bighearted as to listen to us and engage us—and he bolts at the first harsh word.

    He’d have to study up to be a pussy.

    Wow. I was kind of thinking there might be a dialogue here. You just want to call more names. Get on with your bad self, the Internet needs more tough guys.

    #154, Flyovercountry: Thank you. I wish I could engage further, but this O-Bot needs to get some kids settled down and some rest before heading off in the morning to prop up our failing economy.

    Those of you going to work tomorrow, sleep well. Those of you, stirring up shit while sucking off the disability teat and complaining about how life is unfair and the evil media has screwed you, go get a job.

    McDonald’s is always hiring and it isn’t like your going to do much better.


  197. waldensianspirit
    198 | January 30, 2013 8:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    right..but the point of all this fancy is to get pot dismissed from a schedule 1 drug and get hemp online as a commercial winner

    It isn’t the the pot that scares them. It is doriangrey getting his hands on so much raw hemp


  198. coldwarrior
    199 | January 30, 2013 8:52 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Or county

    hmmmm…sure why not, there are ‘dry’ counties. so i guess that could work.


  199. 200 | January 30, 2013 8:53 pm

    @ Mars:

    It was banned by Progressives in 1937. That alone is reasons to oppose keeping it illegal.

    Look I’m for legalization with restrictions, no public smoking, no smoking and driving.


  200. Da_Beerfreak
    201 | January 30, 2013 8:54 pm

    @ Mars:
    That view doesn’t change the fact that it should be a State issue under the Tenth Amendment and the Enumerated Powers Clause.


  201. AZfederalist
    202 | January 30, 2013 8:54 pm

    @ lobo91:

    His illegal appointees are still on the job, still drawing a paycheck, and still issuing illegal rulings.

    And they have no intention of stopping.

    However, those rulings can be ignored.


  202. Mars
    203 | January 30, 2013 8:54 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive
    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco…
    Yep. Potheads can even light up here in MT after the reinstatement of the ban. They get less of a penalty than I would if I lit up in a cigar shop.

    right..but the point of all this fancy is to get pot dismissed from a schedule 1 drug and get hemp online as a commercial winner

    It should be a prescribed narco. No more control than Oxycontin.

    That’s the only thing that can actually work. After a couple years that way, maybe get it OTC and taxed and regulated like a normal product.

    Too many of the legalize it crowd want to jump right to full availability and I’ll let you know the average community is not prepared for that. Especially when the kids want it more than alcohol or tobacco.

    It can work, but it has to be done right. That is why the current legalization movement is headed by paulbots, soros lackeys, and drugged up morons. Because it has nothing to do with eliminating a bad law, it is only about destabilizing things at the local level.


  203. buzzsawmonkey
    204 | January 30, 2013 8:54 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    GAZE.


  204. coldwarrior
    205 | January 30, 2013 8:56 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    get those kiddies to bed.

    i’ll wait for your response to my 140, maybe another day.

    have a good night


  205. heysoos
    206 | January 30, 2013 8:58 pm

    FREE THE WEED!!


  206. 207 | January 30, 2013 8:58 pm

    New Thread


  207. Da_Beerfreak
    208 | January 30, 2013 9:00 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    McDonald’s is always hiring and it isn’t like your going to do much better.

    You can always tell when someone has never tried to get a job at Mac & Don’s. It’s no where near as easy as you think it, but then you never tried to to get one there either…


  208. buzzsawmonkey
    209 | January 30, 2013 9:00 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    You’re being entirely too polite. And not only do I not believe in the existence of his putative kids, if they do by some chance exist he is a blatant currier of favor by dragging them into the conversation here when he has lost the sympathy of the board.

    You will get no response from him—at least, none that is worth the name.


  209. Mars
    210 | January 30, 2013 9:01 pm

    It should be a state issue. That’s how my state handled it. First they approved it, then they saw the results of instantaneous “medical” use, then they quickly eliminated it, then the people upheld the elimination in an overwhelming vote.

    There is a way to do it right. It does need handled at the state level.

    Oh, and someone needs to get the fucking pothead lobby to quit demonizing tobacco. They keep funding the anti-smoking initiatives and if they are truly for freedom they wouldn’t be doing it.

    Clean Air Montana was headed by the exact same group that headed the medical marijuana initiative.

    I like to have a cigar sometimes and it’s bullshit I can’t have one in a cigar shop, casino, or bar. I don’t have a problem with it being banned in restaurants.

    Honestly. The whole smoking issue should be up to the individual business. They are the ones who know whether allowing smoking will hurt or help them.

    Generally I’m just getting tired of freaking progressive jag offs telling people what they can and can’t do. Why aren’t the business owners smart enough to know whether they should have smoking or not?

    Why aren’t the communities smart enough to know whether marijuana can be done in a rational way?

    The fact is the liberals have always been prohibitionists. So if they are supporting a freedom, you can bet it is only so they can forbid it later.


  210. brookly red
    211 | January 30, 2013 9:01 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Notice, by the way, that snivelling little shit fultonchain skedaddled as soon as he was challenged and his whining was not met by soothing comforting offers of teddy bears and lollipops.

    Little creep comes slinking in here throwing his tiny chest out because he’s being so bighearted as to listen to us and engage us—and he bolts at the first harsh word.

    He’d have to study up to be a pussy.

    Wow. I was kind of thinking there might be a dialogue here. You just want to call more names. Get on with your bad self, the Internet needs more tough guys.

    #154, Flyovercountry: Thank you. I wish I could engage further, but this O-Bot needs to get some kids settled down and some rest before heading off in the morning to prop up our failing economy.

    Those of you going to work tomorrow, sleep well. Those of you, stirring up shit while sucking off the disability teat and complaining about how life is unfair and the evil media has screwed you, go get a job.

    McDonald’s is always hiring and it isn’t like your going to do much better.

    see buzz I told you he didn’t go away… he is gonna obsess about his rejection. Hey he might stalk you for years.


  211. 212 | January 30, 2013 9:02 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Mars:
    That view doesn’t change the fact that it should be a State issue under the Tenth Amendment and the Enumerated Powers Clause.

    Yup, States issue. If some states want it illegal, God Bless them. If some want it legal, God Bless them too.


  212. 213 | January 30, 2013 9:03 pm

    @ Mars:

    I favor less restrictions on tobacco as well. A bar should have a right to have smokers. Don’t like go another bar.


  213. coldwarrior
    214 | January 30, 2013 9:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    i prefer to err on the polite side.

    that’s just how i am.


  214. Da_Beerfreak
    215 | January 30, 2013 9:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Or county

    hmmmm…sure why not, there are ‘dry’ counties. so i guess that could work.

    A patchworks of laws have their own problems and can be too easily abused by corrupt law enforcement. Better to have one set of laws for the whole State.


  215. buzzsawmonkey
    216 | January 30, 2013 9:03 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    see buzz I told you he didn’t go away… he is gonna obsess about his rejection. Hey he might stalk you for years.

    I’ve scraped more interesting things off of my shoe, and forgotten them moments later.


  216. buzzsawmonkey
    217 | January 30, 2013 9:06 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i prefer to err on the polite side.

    that’s just how i am.

    Oh, I admire you for it; you’re a gentleman.

    Me, I take my cue from Ecclesiastes: to everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under Heaven. A time to suffer trolls, a time to push back; a time for politeness, a time for honesty.

    It’s all there in the Bible.


  217. waldensianspirit
    218 | January 30, 2013 9:09 pm

    Here comes the flexibility


  218. coldwarrior
    219 | January 30, 2013 9:13 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    thats a fairly modern translation, i am surprised you use that one.

    trolls??? :lol:


  219. buzzsawmonkey
    220 | January 30, 2013 9:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    trolls???

    Hey, Master of the Universe, Lord of the Rings—it’s all good…


  220. Da_Beerfreak
    221 | January 30, 2013 9:16 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Here comes the flexibility

    Meeting held in Munich. How damn appropriate.


  221. coldwarrior
    222 | January 30, 2013 9:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    trolls???
    Hey, Master of the Universe, Lord of the Rings—it’s all good…

    must be the king james version.

    :lol:


  222. AZfederalist
    223 | January 30, 2013 9:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yeah, he never was like that. He also thinks we are a monolith here. We are far from that.

    Despite winning the election, Progressives have gotten angrier. It’s weird.

    Not at all. They are pissed because they don’t have it all. They didn’t get the House, they don’t have a filibuster proof Senate, right wing talk radio is still on the air and has a strong following, and churches still oppose a oration and being forced to pay for birth control for their employees.

    Liberal statists are not satisfied unless they are totally in control and all citizens are subservient. Totalitarians are like that.


  223. 224 | January 30, 2013 9:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    in America…smoking a joint is as offensive as smoking meth…now that’s just plain progressive
    Nope, not even close, less offensive than smoking regular tobacco…
    Yep. Potheads can even light up here in MT after the reinstatement of the ban. They get less of a penalty than I would if I lit up in a cigar shop.
    right..but the point of all this fancy is to get pot dismissed from a schedule 1 drug and get hemp online as a commercial winner

    It should be a prescribed narco. No more control than Oxycontin.
    That’s the only thing that can actually work. After a couple years that way, maybe get it OTC and taxed and regulated like a normal product.
    Too many of the legalize it crowd want to jump right to full availability and I’ll let you know the average community is not prepared for that. Especially when the kids want it more than alcohol or tobacco.
    It can work, but it has to be done right. That is why the current legalization movement is headed by paulbots, soros lackeys, and drugged up morons. Because it has nothing to do with eliminating a bad law, it is only about destabilizing things at the local level.

    Despite all the humor involved in my support of hemp, I am more than a little bit concerned by it’s use as a recreational consumable. My support of it literally is the dozen other commercial uses of the plant.

    It’s applications in the agricultural industry alone are in my book enough to justify ending it’s prohibition. It could and should be a multi-billion dollar a year non recreational consumable industry.

    Cannabis Sativa out produces acre per acre tree’s for it’s capacity to produce the pulp required to make paper, and out produces Cotton acre per acre for the fibers required to make textile products.

    It was used up until the 30′s to prevent frost from damaging the orange crops in California and Florida and was used for thousands of years as a soil nutrition restorative (as a crop rotation crop) that has never been equaled.

    The Oil from the seeds is both useful as a nutritional supplement and can be used as a base for biofuels such as biodiesel or alcohol.


  224. coldwarrior
    225 | January 30, 2013 9:25 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    please put that on the new thread,


  225. buzzsawmonkey
    226 | January 30, 2013 9:26 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Cannabis Sativa out produces acre per acre tree’s for it’s capacity to produce the pulp required to make paper, and out produces Cotton acre per acre for the fibers required to make textile products.

    Hemp fiber for clothing is very much like linen—and, unlike linen, is kosher when combined with wool.


  226. coldwarrior
    227 | January 30, 2013 9:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Hemp fiber for clothing is very much like linen—and, unlike linen, is kosher when combined with wool.

    ok, why?

    answer on the next thread please.


  227. AZfederalist
    228 | January 30, 2013 9:53 pm

    @ fultonchain:

    Those of you going to work tomorrow, sleep well. Those of you, stirring up shit while sucking off the disability teat and complaining about how life is unfair and the evil media has screwed you, go get a job.

    McDonald’s is always hiring and it isn’t like your going to do much better.

    My, my, that doesn’t sound very compassionate or liberal to me. That sounds downright conservative. Better watch out, that sounded downright self-reliant and taking responsibility for one’s own future. Keep that up and the commissar is going to evoke your party membership.


  228. mtc
    229 | January 30, 2013 10:23 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    And I’m sure you’ll be there to give me the grand tour!


  229. AZfederalist
    230 | January 30, 2013 10:40 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Dang autocorrect! That should be “revoke your party membership”


  230. 231 | January 31, 2013 6:41 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    fultonchain wrote:
    idea how checks and balances, or even elections, actually work.
    well it would appear they don’t actually work at all…
    John Adams has been proven correct: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    well our constitution’s main flaw is that it does not have teeth.

    The laws of mathematics DO have teeth.

    If you owe more than you will ever be able to pay back, and there is nobody around who could bail you out -- or who would want to even if they could -

    You. Are. Screwed.

    And that’s that.


  231. 232 | January 31, 2013 6:47 pm

    fultonchain wrote:

    McDonald’s is always hiring and it isn’t like your going to do much better.

    I’ve been working in retail hell for quite some time.

    I have enormous sympathy for the retail clerks and restaurant personnel in your ‘hood who have to deal with YOUR DUMB ASS and with YOUR DUMBASS FRIENDS on a regular basis.


  232. Calo
    233 | January 31, 2013 11:10 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    :shock:

    *scratching my head as to why 1389 has not been promoted.*

    Contempt for customers, contempt for bosses, meh.


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