During a previous life, I was interviewing some soon to be college graduates for a possible position as an Assistant Manager Trainee in one of the 1200 F.W. Woolworth Stores around the fruited plains. Someone at the local University’s placement office must have instructed those poor skulls full of mush on the finer points on negotiating a salary, (I just stopped laughing at those dumb kids about a week ago.) Each and every one of the kids asked at the end of the interview about salary, and each used the same wording to tell me that they felt that their education and training made them worth $50,000 per year. (those were 1990 dollars.)
My answer, said as diplomatically as I could muster went something like this. Why stop there. I’m sure your mother would tell me that you’re worth $1 Million per year. The problem is that you have to be worth that to somebody. It may interest you to know young person, that I myself have a degree from a major American University, as does every one of our management team here. So, with all due respect to your college education, which I have had also by the way, I can tell you that you have learned nothing about how to actually produce the results necessary for you to be paid that sum. What your worth is to us, as someone entering in the very lowest echelons of our management team, someone who will spend the next three years learning what is necessary to produce the kind of results that would make you worth that salary that you seek, is $360 per week, in 1990 dollars.
Such is today’s youth, and unfortunately many of our adults, entitled brats with no idea of relative worth in a free market economy. “I have my college degree, give me my company car, keys to the executive wash room, and a salary fit for the vaunted 1%.” Everyone wants to start life out at the top, passing go without rolling the dice and most certainly without the sweat, sacrifice, or hard work that comes before most people ever taste the fruits of that kind of success. Paying dues in life is for suckers. It’s for the old fogies who have forgotten what it’s like to struggle, oppressed by the desire to live the good life with all of the amenities while having to actually cook their dinners and perhaps resorting to Hamburger Helper for their weekly meat intake. (I mean no disparagement of Betty Crocker and her line of Hamburger enhancement dishes. In fact, my opinion as someone who spent a fair amount of time enjoying that particular line, I feel comfortable in saying that there’s some tasty stuff in those boxes with the little white glove.) It’s unfortunate both for those entitled little brats, and society as a whole, that these little separate pieces of our future were able to reach adult hood completely unprepared for the Shit storm that is adult life. Eventually, hunger will impart its own lesson. Until then, we’ll just have to tolerate their whining while they foul up down town areas across our landscape.
It’s worse than that though. These kids not only feel as though they are entitled to a living wage for their capacity to resolve conflicts, understand poetry, and explore their gender confusion, they also feel as though any who would consider starting life anywhere but the top as someone to look down upon. How did we get to a place in our society where doing honest work for entry level wages was considered beneath dignity, and living off of the public dole, the life of Obama’s Julia for example, was suddenly the most honorable thing any non member of the 1% could achieve. The political left has done admirable work removing the stigma from receiving Food Stamps or AFDC or even Medicaid. The problem is that at the same time, those same lovable Social Workers, who’s national bill board campaign has started informing us that they create, “strong,” societies, (as if we would all be living in places like Detroit without their help in showing us a better way,) have managed to place a stigma on hard work.
Many times over the years, I have heard work at McDonald’s referred to in less than flattering terms. I have been asked by kids point blank, “what am I supposed to do, go flip burgers?” My answer never wavered, it was always one word, yes. No, you won’t earn a living wage right off of the bat, and probably not for at least a few years, but you will learn how to be an employee who is worth that status. Flipping burgers for a restaurant will not be worth that level of pay unless they can sell sufficient numbers of them, and at a high enough price to make that profitable for the guy who risked his capital to open that restaurant. Since selling anything requires an individual at the other end who would rather have the sandwich than the $3 in his pocket, the entire equation remains a matter of free will.
What entry level positions do however, is lead to something else. Half of all owners of McDonald’s franchises started out as part time burger flipping employees, who were willing to start life out on the bottom of the prestige pyramid. 98% of McDonald’s executive leadership started in the same place. What they were paid, in addition to their non living wage you see was invaluable job experience. Wal-Mart can boast similar statistics amongst its leadership team. They promote heavily from within their own ranks. More importantly, those folks who start life out at the entry level, and pay attention, are capable of learning how to run their very own restaurants, and they learn this from people who are successful already.
Also in that former life as a Woolworth Manager, I had a young cashier who I hired at the age of 18, that had not graduated from high school, but attained her GED instead. I paid her our preset wage for inexperienced cashiers, which for my store was 25 cents beyond the minimum wage. Her mother came into the store to inform me that she had no intentions of allowing her daughter to waste her talents and ability on such a menial job and for such a menial wage. She wanted to know how is it that I would dare to exploit her daughter in such a manner as that. (No, I did not laugh in her face, although she clearly deserved such treatment.) I did answer in a pretty curt manner. I informed her that her daughter was a high school drop out whom was supplied with gainful, legal employment, and that exploitation would denote a different kind of work entirely. If there were some talent that her daughter had that I was not aware of, please, if it would benefit my store in some way, let me know and a negotiation for those talents could begin immediately. Otherwise, a high school drop out beginning clerk was worth to me the sum of 25 cents beyond minimum wage for the tasks of unpacking merchandise, pricing those items,stocking shelves with said items, cleaning up the place, and operating a cash register as needed. If she progressed at that satisfactorily for 90 days, a raise would be forthcoming. If she worked hard and distinguished herself, perhaps one day she could have been promoted further, as several of my staff had been.
A grill cook at McDonald’s you see is not just a burger flipper working for a company that does not care. They are charged with producing a sandwich that carries the quality that McDonald’s promises with all of the food served, and their success at delivering this is extremely important to the owner’s of the restaurant who’s livelihood depends on the continual satisfaction of the people who eat there. McDonald’s reached their level of success because a sufficient number of people feel that they would rather have the McDonald’s sandwich than the $3 in their pocket. When people stop feeling that way, McDonald’s will become a thing of the past very quickly, and the people who cook those sandwiches are an important part of that.
McDonald’s should be celebrated as a great American success story, what happens when a business is created from nothing and allowed to flourish in a free market. How many people are millionaires today thanks to McDonald’s? All of this happened due to transactions that were entirely voluntary at every level. No social workers or central planning bureaucrats participated at any phase of this great American success story, in fact if anything, those groups have consistently opposed this company at many levels, including taking cheap plastic toys away from pre-elementary aged kids.
Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.
Trivia: Curtis Sliwa was an night manager at Micky dee’s
anyone who disses what another person does for a living, to feed his kin, is not much of a man themselves…humble honesty is a virtue
brookly red wrote:
whatever happened to that guy?…are they still organized?
heysoos wrote:
oh really… so I should respect 0 for raping this country to feed his kin lobster? shit most of his kin he don’t even support we do.
@ brookly red:
ah the reference was to McDonalds employees….try to keep up
heysoos wrote:
I see him now and then in Chelsea, he is hard to miss dressed in red. I guess he is getting along he shops at some expensive places.
@ brookly red:
We were talking about criminals on the previous thread, not this one
heysoos wrote:
I am just messing with you cause I can.
lobo91 wrote:
would you like fries wit that?
@ brookly red:
still doing the street thing?…if so, he’s got some brass balls…always admired that guy
Then you have me. I served my time doing the minimum wage thing all the way through high school plus two years. Went in to the military, came out, went back into entry level, slaved away for 4 more years, Went to entry level education for two years, went to college, got my bachelors, and now am considered unhireable. In fact none of the organizations I have applied to consider me worth even a response. (Except for one that faithfully sends me a rejection letter after every application period.)
heysoos wrote:
I don’t know what he does, just where he shops but he has been a ballsy dude in his time.
@ brookly red:
good enough
Mars wrote:
you know I had some bad rejections from companies and the I stopped checking the box that said white and checked 2 or more races… plenty of work.
I am part Eskimo bitch, got a problem with that ?
That was then, this is now.
As y’all know, I’ve been stuck in the ninth circle of retail hell for well over two years. Despite my 30 years’ IT experience they keep me on the cash register because, in this economy, they aren’t about to give a sales floor position to a woman. Of course, that’s unspoken, but it’s painfully obvious.
I was told that nobody -- that’s right, NOBODY -- would be promoted or given full time hours in the foreseeable future. Any managers who quit or are fired are not replaced.
As y’all also know, I’ve spent 5 years applying for a better job than that one. Never got one. Have not had an interview in YEARS except for the job I have now. Thus my plans to emigrate. I have no illusions about how horrendously difficult and risky it is to emigrate at the age of 59 but I don’t see any choice.
Maybe these kids will live long enough to see the economy turn around enough that their dues-paying years flipping burgers will finally lead to a job at a living wage. Or maybe they won’t live to see that day. If I had to bet, I’d say the odds are against it except for the children of the well-connected.
@ brookly red:
come to NOLA and sell sneaux cones…you’ll be a millionaire
brookly red wrote:
Unless you’re a Democrat politician or have Democrat connections, you’ll probably get into trouble for that.
brookly red wrote:
Heh.
What I love is how as a vet I’m told by the VA to apply for federal and state jobs due to my 10 point advantage.
They are the worst, not only do they not contact you, when you call them they refuse to tell you anything, including how to contact the person doing the hiring. Can’t send a thank you, or anything.
Pretty much I’ve gotten used to being treated like shit by both the public and private sectors.
@ 1389AD:
send us a postcard!…seriously, and keep a diary of life in the netherworld
1389AD wrote:
that is why I freelance. I have skills pay me.
@ Mars:
your $trillions at work…sorry bro…if I were a wealthy man I’d just set you up, do whatever you want…I wish I could, I am in awe of veterans
@ Mars:
I was in a very similar boat a few years ago, and started my own business. Now I compete with people who would not hire me, and get an extra special feeling of satisfaction when I take a nice piece of business away from them. I’m not saying it’s easy, but circumstances forced me into it. During periods of recession historically have been periods of increased entrepreneurial activity for just that reason. People with learned skills and experience are forced out of jobs, find themselves too something to be rehired as the economy retrenches, and for lack of ability to get hired, start out on their own.
1389AD wrote:
That’s a total reversal from several companies we have around here. We have several retail stores that refuse to allow men on the sales floor.
@ Mars:
I only get 5 points, so you know I’m screwed…
1389AD wrote:
no, I record my interviews… you ask me the wrong question and I sue you.
@ heysoos:
@ Flyovercountry:
I figure I’m just going to start playing the lottery.
According to my math when my state level lottery pops up again middle of next year I have roughly the same chance of winning it as I do of getting a job.
It’s only a couple hundred thousand usually, but that will keep me going for a handful of years.
And if I don’t win I’m only out 20 bucks a month.
I buy all my underwear at Target, and my longsleeve T’s…that’s big box enough for me once every two years
@ Flyovercountry:
@ brookly red:
What sort of freelance stuff do you do?
And how do you pay for insurance?
Mars wrote:
seriously, it depends on what you are selling I guess… but personally I am more likely to to buy from a woman unless she is a total wreck.
lobo91 wrote:
Yep it’s a pain.
@ Mars:
I don’t want to give the grabbermint any more money than they already get.
Plus, they report it to the IRS.
If I were inclined to gamble, which I am not, I’d go find a bookie.
@ Mars:
I appreciate the work you have put in to create astute threads for this blog.
@ 1389AD:
he’s a professional pineapple slicer, a union goon
@ yenta-fada:
Thanks. Sometimes it doesn’t feel like much though.
brookly red wrote:
This is an office supply store. There are absolutely no women on the sales floor unless one of the women managers is helping out. Apparently nobody wants to buy computers or office supplies from a woman.
1389AD wrote:
I am a project manager, I market pharmaceutics, I pay through the ass for private insurance.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/01/25/oregon_lawmaker_proposes_making_nicotine_a_controlled_substance_requiring_a_prescription.html
Have to have a prescription for a cigar if this sob gets his way.
Hey look Rodan, another prohibitionist republican. ////Oh wait a minute he’s a democrat. Just like EVERY OTHER FREAKING ASSHOLE THAT WRITES THESE THINGS
Mars wrote:
I know. It’s not paying you $$. Even so, it matters.
@ brookly red:
can you cop me a cheap bottle of boner pills?
1389AD wrote:
well I do live in NYC things are different here but in the end a wonder bra still trumps a BFA…
1389AD wrote:
Both our office depot and office max here are about 70/30 women to men. Our best buy is about 50/50.
brookly red wrote:
I don’t have training or experience in that sort of thing. I did get some retraining in the more recent IT stuff but there isn’t any work. And I don’t have money to keep getting recertified when I don’t have experience in the new stuff. You can’t do freelance work without some actual experience -- nobody will hire you without it.
Which is why I’m leaving. I do have some skills that would be useful outside the US. No details please; it’s all legal but the intertoobz have ears and we have a stalker problem. Maybe I’ll send everybody an e-postcard later on if and when I manage to get settled in and hopefully survive.
heysoos wrote:
why? your already a prick.
Mars wrote:
That article is published in Toronto’s commie rag which has a large liberal circulation. They certainly cherry-pick their U.S. news stories. geez.
@ Mars:
my laundry girls are 2-0 female…
I smell like a petunia
Mars wrote:
Hopefully times will change. This hope and change that obama has foisted on us is hurting a lot of people.
brookly red wrote:
just wait….
Mt Prickmore
Mars wrote:
They hire women for the copy center and for the cash register. A few managers who have been there a very long time are female. They do NOT hire women for sales floor (selling computers, printers, furniture, etc.)
@ 1389AD:
I run a financial planning practice. I pay for insurance out of my pocket, as a business expense, with a policy that I wrote myself. Two of my clients are IT people who both started their own companies once they lost jobs at larger firms. Both of them create websites and design phone systems etc. The point is that you have skills, and there is no law that says you have to apply them for the benefit of an employer. A lot of folks get started part time, and once they develop a market, jump in with both feet. Others throw caution to the wind and start out by taking full risk. My point being that you would be surprised how many of today’s large corporations started out as 1 person start ups for the exact reason that you are facing now. Harlan Sanders was 65 years old when he founded Kentucky Fried Chicken, immediately after his fourth bankruptcy. His first employee was a man named Dave Thomas, who you may have heard of as the founder of Wendy’s.
heysoos wrote:
Every DAY I seem to get pharmacy spam in the 1389 Blog email box. They had a show on television about the fake Viagra scammers. The stuff could be just about anything but is very unlikely to be the genuine drug or anything like it.
And the lawlessness continues:
brookly red wrote:
I was born in Alaska although raised in another state. Tons of possiblities. Problem is the body isn’t up for anything yet.
/I do forsee a black market for cookies though.
1389AD wrote:
recent studies have finally proven that female women cannot sell chairs
Flyovercountry wrote:
I did freelancing in the mainframe stuff for awhile, but that dried up too.
Like I said, I got retraining in Microsoft network admin and in computer graphics. That went nowhere, because I didn’t have any actual work experience in the new stuff. Nobody will pay you to do freelance work unless you already have a substantial amount of actual paid experience in the type of work you will be doing. I tried to get that, but no dice.
I’m done with IT.
yenta-fada wrote:
It was just the first link I found about it. Didn’t know anything about the paper. I do know that this is being celebrated in the article and on the internet. Apparently people don’t understand just exactly how big of a major overreach this is.
I heard about it through Cigar Dave’s twitter while looking for something else today.
http://watchdog.org/57374/or-lawmaker-wants-to-increase-tax-criminalize-cigarettes/
You will notice the slimy pos doesn’t think people are smart enough to decide things on their own. Because apparently people are being held down and forced to smoke.
You know maybe we should have some education about smoking in school, or absurdly large warning labels, or annoying commercials, or signs on store doors, or age restrictions on tobacco, or penalties for buying for underage, or…../////
This is what drives me up a freaking wall. This crap doesn’t stop. The general public doesn’t grasp incrementalism and what it does. They don’t get that every inch the progressives get means 10 more feet they gain later.
Here’s another one for people that feel it’s ok to let the tobacco industry hang.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/12/14/53125.htm
Warning labels on alcohol because apparently they cause people to commit crimes. The lawyer group behind this is now canvassing other states for more criminals to sign up so it can go nationwide.
Gee, I wonder if they’ll find any criminals who will blame alcohol and not their own judgement.////
Then lets not forget the bloomberg/Michelle O food police. It’s spreading slowly nationwide too.
There is no aspect of your life these little pieces of crap will not try to regulate.
But, by all means everyone lets watch out for evil republicans who speak about their personal morals.
Only one party legislates these issues.
heysoos wrote:
I don’t sit in chairs very often -- I have to run around on my feet all the time. What the heck would I know about chairs anyway?
Lily wrote:
Yeah, but mine started a long time ago.
And then to find out there are just big sections of the work world that are incompatible with my mental issues makes it hurt that much worse.
Flyovercountry wrote:
fortune favors the brave basically…
1389AD wrote:
Then the idiot running your store is a jackass and needs replaced. I rarely see many men working at either of our office stores.
if you invent fried chicken, you should expect to get rich
Even after all those illegal contributions, and all that free advertising, they managed to end up in the hole.
heysoos wrote:
Unfortunately, someone already invented that.
//Screwed again
Flyovercountry wrote:
Back in the day…it forced me into cleaning houses…I did very well. I had to turn down business. My policy was…be better than anyone else. It worked.
brookly red wrote:
First they have to prove you aren’t Eskimo.
heysoos wrote:
And I need to know this ……why??????????????????????
lobo91 wrote:
The Fed is creating 4 billion/day. There must be some way to tap into that scheme.
http://trimtabs.com/blog/2013/01/30/fed-creating-4-billion-in-new-money-each-day-helping-to-rig-stock-market/
1389AD wrote:
OOOOooooooooh that’s getting personal.
@ Lily:
my problem is my maid cannot change the oil in my Camero…any suggestions?
@ yenta-fada:
I think it requires making large contributions to the Obama campaign.
heysoos wrote:
And you gave that information away without permission. Dude!!!!
Mars wrote:
You do write excellent threads…I like the psychology ones…
Well, I just joined the ranks of the unemployed at 3:45 PM local today. But that’s contracting for you. It was a good contract in a tolerable place, so I’ve got no gripes. I’ll have to do something about that unemployed bit, but right now I just want to get home. No need to panic yet -- there’s plenty of time to panic.
heysoos wrote:
well if obamacare goes through you could hire a surgeon for 10 bucks…
@ heysoos:
Lily wrote:
One never knows what information might be useful.
Amazon delivered my last batch of t’s right to my door…
Mike C. wrote:
That’s a great way to look at things. Hope things go good for you.
1389AD wrote:
Dear Lord! God-speed.
Mike C. wrote:
hah I was laid off Tuesday. do you have skills?
brookly red wrote:
/oh my!!!!!!!!!
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
the subject was…which big box stores should we over run and fortify against the enemy bots?
@ lobo91:
And I have the KFC recipe -- all 11 herbs and spices. Once you make the initial investment for the spices -- I can now make a 20 piece bucket for less than 10 bucks. And it DOES taste just like the “Kernal’s”
@ heysoos:
If you believe the DHS -- get one with an excellent supply of scissors…..
@ brookly red:
Were you really just laid off?
Carolina Girl wrote:
meh you want good chicken you go to Rikers Island…
Mars wrote:
Yes he is and yes he needs to be. But he won’t be. Mainly because priority #1, #2, and #3 for him is keeping his own job. He will throw anything and anyone under the bus to make that happen.
Hey, get this -- I was written up for being too friendly with the customers instead of just checking them out and rushing them out the door as fast as I can.
At the same time, they make a big deal about getting good customer service surveys. Which we typically get better survey results on days when I’m on shift, BTW.
*speechless*
This wasn’t the worst thing that ever happened to me -- not by a long shot -- but it is just about the STOOOOOPIDEST thing I can think of that ever happened to me.
I keep trying to wrap my brain around this whole situation, and it just won’t go.
Okay, am I the only one still waiting for the punch line?
He’s serious about this guy? Did Zippy the Pinhead have a prior 4-year commitment?
yenta-fada wrote:
well not really laid off… let go. after 1500 hrs the law says you get bennies so no contract goes more than 1500 hrs. Thank you Congress, I hope you all get anal cancer.
@ Carolina Girl:
I mean to be ready, tactically…
I’m googling combat scissors as we speak
Mars wrote:
Thank you. Me, too. I’ve been migrant labor for so long now (20 years!) that it’s just normal. I’ll dredge up something here sooner or later. Sooner would be good, so long as I get to spend at least a bit of time at the house. My big problem is that the worse things get on the international stage, the more potential work locations I have to add to my “no go” list. Essentially ALL of Africa is now on that list. And there are plenty of others. Ugh. Well, we shall see… But meanwhile, I can both do and receive some REAL home cooking (not the bachelor crap I do on the road) and maybe even get to poke some high-velocity holes in some paper. And I just bet the wife has a “To Do” list for me as well…
@ Mars:
Really sorry to hear that..truly I am. Prayers up for you.
brookly red wrote:
tastes like Bob!
@ heysoos:
Indeed. I would think knitting needles but who am I to argue with “Big Sis” Napolitano on the issue of home protection.
And she apparently recommends that we also “stretch” first before we overpower the barbarians at the gate.
@ heysoos:
I hate Target.
The aesthetics in that place makes me want to vomit for some weird reason.
lobo91 wrote:
Well you live like a king even on the campagin trail naturally you will be 2 mill in the hole. The man spends money like water running through his hands.
@ Bumr50:
Target used to be kinda fun. Now it just seems to exude the aura “you can shop her and feel superior cuz we’re not Walmart.”
brookly red wrote:
They are discouraging the work ethic. Disaster. Can they re-hire you after a period of time?
welcome to the new American slavery, as much as I hate the old unions this is what they were fighting against, if we don’t organize they will continue to rape us.
Bumr50 wrote:
I go for the stuff they sell and buy it…I don’t shop
@ Lily:
Mooch probably took her 30 million off the top and has it stashes away in her B of A “We’re buying a G4 cuz my fat ass ain’t never flyin’ commercial again!” fund.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Chuck Hagel is a Serb-hater and a Jew-hater. No other qualifications are needed.
Hillary probably put in a good word for him.
heysoos wrote:
Male maid. Really.
/Is that what you needed the Viagra for??
/oh you walked into that one and I had to take it!
OK so here is my story.
I grew up in the burbs of Houston.
My family was probably at the bottom of the range of family incomes.
So my friends had Levi Jeans and OP shirts. I had Sears everything “which was not cool”.
So my whining commenced. But not for very long because all around was construction. So my dad (he left home at 17 to join the Merchant Marines) said go across the street and get a job if you want the money to buy that stuff. And I did. I got a job digging out forms for house foundations at $5/hour which was pretty good money for a 15 year old.
But oh man did I find out about blisters and calluses. And the heat was no joke. And the ground was damn hard. But I had money and I got the cool clothes (and nothing really changed which is another of life’s lessons).
I then went on for about 8 years working when I could and going to school. Please keep in mind that most of the time it was either summer or the weekends. And it was always something with concrete or asphalt. My only breaks were sports and school.
Needless to say I have seen a lot of stuff. Not combat stuff but work stuff. Guys falling off things, guys getting run over, guys getting arrested and deported.
My final years at this gig I ran a jack hammer. I was going to college at night and running a jack hammer during the day. My grades were pretty darn good because I could see that this life was not going to be much of one when I was 45.
The point is that I know right now I have a cushy job (computer programmer) but I also take comfort in the fact that I did at one time do the job that supposedly no one wants to do. I could not do it now but it did build within me the character that keeps me going through life’s little ups and downs.
heysoos wrote:
We don’t need no stinkin’ subject…
Carolina Girl wrote:
she is our Sewer Arafat…
heysoos wrote:
Did you ever see Rain Man? The scene about the K-Mart underwear is absolutely the FUNNIEST movie scene ever done. Weapons-grade lollage!
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Brilliant shopping Da_Beerfreak!
shopping is a girly thing…on the other hand, men have a purpose, a problem to solve for the benefit of everybody…most Greek gods are men for a reason
Carolina Girl wrote:
Mooch before a few million spent on facial and ‘other’ plastic surgery.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-GBWx-tJRb0A/UQaoxKohRfI/AAAAAAAAyFM/FyeWe1db0Ac/s1600-h/a-michelle-obama-115.jpg
heysoos wrote:
it’s called “greek” for a reason too…
yenta-fada wrote:
Maybe he’s on the computer during the day.
/the answer is probably already up by the time this is posted.
brookly red wrote:
gladiators!
@ unclassifiable:
Some of those jobs are things that you can do when you’re 45 or under, but when you’re older than that, they’re either sheer torment or no longer do-able.
I worked in a warehouse back in 2005 and lifted boxes up to 75 pounds, sometimes for a 12-hour shift.
I’ve applied for jobs like that again and haven’t gotten them because people figure I’m too old to handle it any more. The sad thing is, they’re probably right.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Oh don’t you know it…for one she got her a new wig right off the bat! So you know she’s flush with the coin.
@ 1389AD:
Well I am past 45 now but I just extrapolated out how I felt every day after work as a 20 year old and my general attitude (FTW) and decided that if I did not get a degree that enabled me to do something with my brains I wasn’t going to make it to 45 one way or another.
Lily wrote:
wig? self loathing bitch… well that’s OK we loath her too.
Lily wrote:
If somebody’s head just overnight has a lot more hair than was there before, it wasn’t Rogaine!
unclassifiable wrote:
I used to clean houses for pay too, over four decades ago! But at this age that wouldn’t work either -- it’s too risky with asthma and COPD. It’s all I can do to keep our own quarters swept up.
@ unclassifiable:
Earning honest money is nothing to be ashamed about. Me and my husband worked very hard when we were younger…now I don’t work and my husband still works hard but inside now..because in the South it’s not just hot, it’s damn hot most of the time (live in Louisiana but not that far from Houston). Never complained. I did several things as the years went by. Cleaned houses, made soap, worked at a gift shop, at a Pizza Shop. Worked ever since I was 12 (baby sat at that age).
@ Mike C.:
Good discussion downthread, but I think I’m going to drop it now.
I think we agree on the actual essentials and principles. All we are disagreeing with is what was actually said, and frankly that just has us running in circles. So lets just summarize and let it go.
Registration -- bad at any level.
Federalization of gun crime -- unnecessary stupid and inconsistent
O’Reilly is a toad in a cheap suit
I would also add that enforcing current laws and mandatory higher penalties for crimes would go a long way toward actually helping limit crime.
@ lobo91:
Oh how special. I wish the average income in my state was as high as the insurance will cost.
heysoos wrote:
Oh please the women weren’t anything to mess around with either…
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_gods_and_goddesses
@ yenta-fada:
Dammit yenta …. you made me look!
/money spent poorly if you ask me. Not much different.
Lily wrote:
Actually if you read the greek myths the women were far more viscous, vengeful, and ruthless than the men.
Especially Hera.
But, lets not forget everytime you turned around a woman was poisoning someone, cooking the children into stew, having rivals executed, etc.
brookly red wrote:
Yep that’s a wig she’s wearing with the new do she has!
unclassifiable wrote:
A tribute to the salt of the earth.
@ 1389AD:
I don’t know if it’s more hair..but it is different color and very straight and new style…wig if you ask me.
Lily wrote:
she needs a jaw reduction
Mars wrote:
Guess I’ll be paying the fine.
Lily wrote:
I guess since Flip Wilson has passed away the estate must have granted her the use of the wig. //
@ lobo91:
I keep telling the obama voters that they are going to paying a lot of money at the end of the year for that *free* obama-care that doesn’t really do anything for you except die if you smoke or over-weight or don’t do as the government tells you to do. Like I tell an obama voter who is slightly over-weight and says she is getting a cookie…”fine get a cookie but remember…NO HEALTHCARE FOR YOU!”
/sadly I wish this was a joke but it’s not.
lobo91 wrote:
I’m a little confused about everything. (But then again so is the VA) Since I’m in the va system, supposedly I am not required to have the insurance, but since the VA doesn’t provide 24/7 service here, I’m in violation of the requirement.
My mom is convinced she’s going to jail. She’s already on severely tight income, but is just above the level for assistance. And her job doesn’t offer any insurance.
Been hearing horror stories of companies all over the country dropping or changing their insurance so the employees become responsible for it.
Not too mention the already decreased paychecks. The fact that hospitals are now threatening to drop equipment suppliers if they increase their prices one cent at any time in the future, which will cause the hospitals to go straight to the chinese manufacturers.
This whole Obamacare thing is a nightmare.
Mars wrote:
Oh indeed…women can be very deadly at times! Think of the Queens…like Bloody Mary! Women were/are nothing to mess with at times. They just look so delicate and sweet.
Mars wrote:
funny the media is silent… Michelle Obama is a fine example to all Black women. You would think Whoppie would at least correct her… she looks like what she is phony.
Hey I date a black girl, she doesn’t like her hair so guess what she shaves her head and is proud of it, (looks good too)
But this is an insult to all women of color.
lobo91 wrote:
A lot of people who can’t afford it are going to be paying the fine. That is the sad part.
@ Mars:
@ Mars:
This is going to happen..for one reason so the company can survive. This is going to hurt the small business owners really, really bad. They don’t want to do this but they have no choice! As far as your mom going to jail..tell her not to worry. There isn’t enough jail space for people who cannot pay the fine and I highly doubt the LEO’s are going to take that so-called *breaking of the law* seriously at all. The federal government would have to actually arrest …and I don’t see that happening either. I do know this every damn obama voter will know what a damn bastard he is for forcing this obamacare on us and then they should hang their heads in shame for voting for him and thinking this was good.
Wow…I have killed another thread!
If gun control doesn’t lead to massive civil disobedience, Obamacare will…
Let the f’n Feds try to arrest 50 to 60 million people for deliberate noncompliance and see how far they get.
Lily wrote:
All of history’s greatest poisoners were women. Elizabeth Bathory was as ruthless as one could get. Depending on what you read Lucrezia Borgia was even more ruthless than the males in her family.
Women aren’t to be trifled with. If people don’t believe me, look at how they destroy each other when they are supposedly “friends”. Or hang out with a group of high school girls if you want to see politics of personal destruction up close and personal.
Women are the more predatory of our species.
Lily wrote:
And you’re darn good at it! You bring value to the site!….REALLY!
@ Lily:
Here’s some Huck help. Didn’t want you to Lily-the-thread.
R.I.P Patty Andrews, last of the Andrews Sisters. That’s Patty in the middle.
blues…
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
The states are also taking the lead on this by refusing to allow much of Obamacare to be enforced within the borders of the state.
Of course the blue states are lining up to be compliant. But, I’m convinced they would line up for star trek style suicide booths ala A Taste of Armageddon, if O ordered them to.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Thankfully I didn’t kill the thread. Almost did!
Exactly…between obamacare and the gun control and heaven knows what else is in store for us….I see a lot of very mad Americans. The fractures are showing right now our country is so very divided. I don’t know how our people are going to react. So far too many people are ignoring what is going on or they see what is going on and not liking it but blaming the wrong people for it.
huckfunn wrote:
they wanted their MTV…
Mars wrote:
Now there would be an Executive Order I could get behind…..only for blue state’s that is. Of course Red State’s would tell him to F--K-Off.
@ lobo91:
At the rate the economy is collapsing nobody other than the politically connected will have the money to pay even for that.
brookly red wrote:
They had to wait for about 40 years. My Dad was crazy for the Andrews Sisters.
Mars wrote:
They can be. They also can go along undetected also…I always ask my husband who is more powerful the King or the Queen…he says the King…I say no the Queen if she wishes to weild her power not only does she have the King in one hand if she has sons she has the princes in the other hand.
As for poisioners ….women top that….
http://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Harold-Schechter/dp/1439182647/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359680392&sr=1-1&keywords=harold+schechter+Fatal
heysoos wrote:
Good choice. More blues…
Tanker wrote:
LOL!! A skill no one wants! LOL!
Lily wrote:
Yep.
And people wonder why my social anxiety really gets bad around women.
They’re scary.
Mars wrote:
It looks like the States and the FedGov are heading into a new round of Nullification fights over Federal Laws that go beyond what the People are willing to accept. The last time the States and the FedGov got into this fight it didn’t end well for the Country.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Probably won’t this time, either.
1389AD wrote:
I think you are seeing something that isn’t going to happen. Personally that is my opinion. We are in rough times..but this country has been in rougher times. Right now we are going down a road we haven’t been before. I personally think that we will survive.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Nope, but sometimes things have to happen a certain way.
@ huckfunn:
Thanks huck!!! Sometimes I need some help!
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
freedom is not free.
Mars wrote:
meh, they chill out if you feed them…
Lily wrote:
Actually we’ve gone down this road before under FDR, it’s just that things were a little bit different.
Carter would have had us heading this way if he had gotten a second term.
The thing about proggies, they never have new ideas, they just recycle the same crap and think it will work because this time “they are in charge”. Each generation of proggies thinks they are the smartest people to have ever lived.
brookly red wrote:
I don’t know about that. I’ve seen ones get more hostile when fed.
Mars wrote:
the definition of insanity is what, again?
To be a progressive one has to be completely incapable of learning from history.
lobo91 wrote:
Bet on it.
Mars wrote:
Ever since I’ve been working in retail I encourage my husband to do as much of the shopping as possible. For me, “retail therapy” means “staying out of stores except when I’m on the clock”.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
It won’t end well for the country as a whole, but it may make it possible for some states or groups of states to survive and make a new start.
The alternative is a new dark ages and/or a new Iron Curtain (with some degree of shari’a law) for the entirety of the US.
Mars wrote:
Also being able to completely ignore reality is a big plus…
@ Mars:
Although they can be scary…good women out-weigh the bad women. It may not seem like that. Women tend to want to take care of people and look for the best in people. The flip side of the women thing is the good women who care, nuture, nurse and raise children. If all women were as bad as they could be..there would be a lot of messed up children or should I say adults. Tragically the good woman doesn’t get any press…only the bad ones. I think the reason for this is because women tend to be on the good side so when they honestly do break-bad they do it on a scale that is beyond belief. From the high-school girl who destroys another girls standings in school all the way to the Queen who rules with a steele fist and harsher than any King.
Lily wrote:
I am not at all certain that we have been in rougher times, at least not since the War Between the States.
At least during the first Great Depression, we had more freedom to improvise than we have now.
@ 35 1389AD: The big box stores like walmart and fred meyers are meat grinders. Full of petty middle managers going nowhere who amuse themselves by creating problems for the entry level workers.
Attitude and sales are everything. learn the nordstrom way, learn Dale Carnegie, then apply it to work. no job is too small, learn what the immidiate boss wants and make the boss look good. come to work early, leave late, don’t be the energy sucker at work. Have one joke in the back pocket for each co worker you are close to. Above all, smile and be polite even to the jerk off customers. Teach them something.
If a person wants to move up in a company and doesn’t want to wait out vertical moves, then they have to move horizontal to another company.
This is one area a national health care system would assist the low income worker. Remove the prison strings of pre existing conditions and 12 month waiting periods for eligibility.
I applied at McD as a youngster was was told I need a college degree. Everyone else working there had one. Shocker. lol
1389AD wrote:
such negativity… these are different times, and Obama ain’t Lincoln… our army is all volunteer, they would never put up with that bullshit.
These quick turnover retail jobs are pretty hard. A demand for perfection with little tolerance for error. Assembly line. And a line of customer also with hugely unrealistic expectations about money and life and service.
Lily wrote:
I don’t know. Every women I’ve ever been involved with has wound up being majorly damaged in some way. I don’t know how the hell I keep finding them but every one of them was abused (usually sexually) at some point in their young life, they never learned to handle it. They treat me like crap, then become distant, run away, and leave me confused as hell as to what just happened.
Lily wrote:
WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.
1389AD wrote:
Not a lot. FDR tried his damndest to clamp down on any possible innovation or business. His policies made sure the depression lasted longer than it should have. The only thing that got us back on our feet was a war, as sad as that is.
@ Lily:
I sure haven’t been able to find them…
Mars wrote:
True. This isn’t something new…it’s only wrapped in a different wrapping paper and a different colored bow.
@ 169 Lily: All in all, I have found young women to be the superior employee in almost any modern job sector i worked in. lots of young males with just disastrous entitlement attitudes. In terms of race almost all asian women and black women(not affirmative action babies) will out perform everyone else.
I do see some modern asian women wailing about discrimination but they have been sold a bill of goods by their teachers that assigns them to failure. they sue the wrong people.
@ 178 lobo91: Modern Feminist Theory groups.
darkwords wrote:
Yup.
It takes all the forbearance I can muster to deal with their dumb asses (sorry but some of these people … ) in a charitable manner and continue to provide good customer service, no matter what.
darkwords wrote:
Our mgr. wants two or three mutually exclusive things all at the same time. There is no system that can overcome that.
darkwords wrote:
Overseas. And I am laboring under no delusions about how difficult and dangerous this will be.
Mars wrote:
Not just not learning history …. no the complete lack of interest of history! This is what I have noticed. You bring up history …blah that was then this is now. They don’t want to learn history.
Mars wrote:
you seem to seek them out, I don’t want to be harsh but we always get what we ask for…
brookly red wrote:
Doesn’t change the fact that States are telling the FedGov to take their new gun law bills and go pound sand.
The Courts are going to be busy and the People are out of patience.
@ brookly red:
Too true.
I guess I’m just down because of the bullshit with my ex wife, it being my youngests birthday and he being with her tonight, and just generally thinking about the fact that somehow I have managed to successfully avoid anything resembling a stable relationship. And now being jobless (mostly), homeless, overweight, without a vehicle, and possessing of no social skills/major social anxiety, I’m not especially sure how to not live out the rest of my life in total loneliness.
@ 175 Mars: I’m old enough now I consider a good bottle of wine a good friday night date. But with type II diabetes she knocks the crap out of me the next morning just as well as a couple of the old girlfriends.
@ 1389AD:
.
See this is a bit much…not. going. to. happen.
lobo91 wrote:
Agreed. They’re sure doing a damn good job of hiding…
brookly red wrote:
Actually that’s the problem. My inability to ask out anyone I have ever been interested in has resulted in me taking what come to me.
I apparently was a magnet.
Mars wrote:
Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!
But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.
1389AD wrote:
We do not have people starving like during the depression. Honestly it is a tad over-board.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
now take away gun laws and add immigration, taxes, or healthcare… states rights will prevail.
darkwords wrote:
I don’t drink too hard on the digestive system. I have an occasional cigar, but the libs are trying their damndest to price that out of my range.
My mother is trying to get me to go back to church, but I just can’t stick it out. I find it uncomfortable, dull, and restrictive. Plus any woman I find there is unlikely to approve of my cigar hobby.
brookly red wrote:
That’s my hope.
As long as the won doesn’t get a chance to finish loading the courts.
@ 186 Mars: Get into a church. or a club. I live in Seattle and have had no car for 15 years. The bus system is good here. Rent for a crappy single room is $450 a month.
Ex was mentally ill right? That is a $$$ and emotion sucker no matter how you play it. Especially if you have kids. You need concrete boundaries.
We pick unstable relationships so we can heal them. My last ex gave me hell for trying to nag and fix her. If you have a problem with an ex that is social send them this info. Fireworks.
Mars wrote:
Sorry to hear that. Some men tend to have a magnet for these type of women…like my brother. Hopefully you can turn that magnet off.
Not sure what to tell you there…it is hard get a read on people until you get to know them. There is always that facade.
@ 194 Mars: you have to be who you are. I went to a Baptist church an ex once and the people there were waaaaayyyyy too friendly for me. I had to back way off. lol i couldn’t handle it. but at another church I just helped do the chores all the time and talked to people. It helps some of the socialness to have organized work.
Lily wrote:
But we do! here in NYC we have so many weak with hunger they can hardly lift their cell phone let alone drive their SUV… goode lord it has gotten so bad the dept. of corrections has to give free lunches to people when they visit their kin in prison so they don’t faint on the free bus home.
Sorry back to your scheduled thread.
(Too much ex-wife and too many headaches this week have led to my depression doing some ghost writing for me.)
@ 192 Lily: We have diabesity today. Plenty of food but no nutrition in it or bad crap in it. If we crash we will be worse off as a lot of those people need economic medical care to function.
@ 191 brookly red: Heh ! heh heh heh heh,….
darkwords wrote:
got the picture?
@ brookly red:
different sort of homeless we have in ABQ
brookly red wrote:
Everything will be just fine as long as the FedGov keeps printing the money needed to pay for all that free stuff. After all what could possibly go wrong??
@ 190 Mars: Take you main passion or interest and follow that. work on there and don’t worry about women. It will just happen as you develop your passion. If it is cigars be he cigar blogger. if it is blogging get to some vegas blogging conventions.
darkwords wrote:
Can’t do a one room place. Primary custodial parent. Have to provide a certain level of housing for them. My current situation isn’t optimal, but at least they have their own room. (Unlike with my ex where they have no room of their own.)
Once I have a car (don’t live where I can use buses, I will try to find something even though it is probably going to put me in hazardous waters.)
I could stay where I am if my brother and his wife’s roommate would move out of her room and leave, but then that would increase everyones rent and bills by about 200 per family.
Then at least I’d be renting a room and another for my kids. Kitchen access, and a bathroom.
My mother is opposed to the idea, but then again, she’s been actively trying to force me into being homeless. (Don’t ask).
My brother and his wife are hoping this is what happens eventually, mainly because they know they would no longer be able to afford their home if their roommate left and so did I.
Lily wrote:
Very very true.
Al Gore is gassy
darkwords wrote:
She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.
She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.
She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.
Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
brookly red wrote:
I am not on food stamps though if I lose this job we will have to apply. I know we could qualify…
The people on public assistance aren’t starving now, but what will happen when “other people’s money” runs out?
Hmmm?
We are just STARTING on the Second Great Depression. Still a ways to go before we hit bottom.
@ brookly red:
heavy duty…new age
@ 1389AD:
come to New Mexico and greener pastures…it’s easy
heysoos wrote:
Glad someone gets it.
@ Mars:
@ lobo91:
Sorry to hear you guys haven’t met a good woman. They are out there!!! For sure!!!
heysoos wrote:
no old school… Rudyard Kipling The Female of the Species
darkwords wrote:
I was a pretty popular (at least I think I was) cigar reviewer online for a while. It turned out to be one hell of a lot of work for very little return. Then real life hit and took too much of my time. When I finally got back to do it, the website I was featured on was gone. The site creator got bored and vanished.
I have been tempted to buy a domain and site space and bring it back, but I’m afraid I’d be lost in the sheer number of sites out there. Plus, monetizing the site is something I don’t have a slight clue about.
My other love is writing, but due to my mind wanting to work against me, I haven’t written in over 10 years.
I have a lot of ideas, but despise them when I put them to paper.
Diversity!
Mars wrote:
I should take some of my old writing and put it in digital format and send it to some poor unsuspecting victim to review.
Lily wrote:
Leia seems to be the only loyal female in my life.
heysoos wrote:
I figure on going a bit further south than that.
Film at 11…
lobo91 wrote:
My dog was loyal to me and my oldest. Then when i moved in here she deserted me to act as a therapy dog for my oldest nephew.
Mars wrote:
My goodness Mars! Pray I say. When you got a list like that all you can do is pray. But it is something pro-active…it is doing something. Pray for your children and you. The change may not happen overnight..but there will be a positive change non-the-less.
@ Mars: http://mars-cigars.wordpress.com i am sure it is available and it is free. And you write when only you wish. As far as monetizing. Basically just make a paypal account and each week or each month research and add some monetizing feature to your site. You don’t need a store to start out.
1389AD wrote:
and that is the problem… IF you lose this job. Excuse me but God danmit! we have people here who have never worked a day (again excuse me ) in their God damned lives that live better than people who work to support their morbidly obese over breading asses and I for one am sick to shit over it
More illegal immigration follies, featuring one of Obama’s relatives:
So…the guy was ordered to be deported 21 years ago, yet he’s still here.
And he now gets to stay almost another year until his hearing.
Why does he need a hearing? He failed to comply with one deportation order already. Put his ass on a flight to Kenya and send them the bill.
@ lobo91:
Family trait
@ lobo91: Leia can be the girlfriend whisperer, you just need the t-shirt.
@ lobo91:
December 3rd… wtf in another year?
brookly red wrote:
Yup
And if he’s ordered to be deported again, the judge will hand him a piece of paper saying to show up at some office a month or two later.
When he doesn’t show, nothing will happen.
The system is f*cked.
lobo91 wrote:
no lock his ass up till Dec. 3rd and then let him ask to be sent home.
brookly red wrote:
Dear heavens! The horrors!
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@ brookly red:
this guy is a serious issue…please keep me updated as to each breath he takes…thanks
U.N. Finds Israel Guilty Of “Human Rights” Violations Against The Palestinians…
darkwords wrote:
I’ve been in it for a while to know if I want a successful cigar site I have to go with a paid domain and host. For monetizing the only thing that makes sense is advertisers and that will take a while.
I’ve made enough sites though I should be able to put something together that looks good. Or at least good enough.
Hard part will be standing out from the crowd, I’ve got some online friends out there that have been at this a long time and have some sites that are going to be really hard to beat.
Uncle should go live at 1600
the news is so thin at this point…anybody into hot rods?
waldensianspirit wrote:
Has anyone ever actually proven that the Palestineans are human?
@ Mars:
My site runs through WordPress, but I have a custom domain name. It costs $99 a year total.
lobo91 wrote:
fuck the UN where they breathe and send them all home, we pay for this bullshit. UN out of US.
Tube Riding Ahead!!
lobo91 wrote:
they sent a PDF copy of their birth certificate…
lobo91 wrote:
I’ve never spent more for a domain name than 15 bucks. Or is that a special paid thing for WordPress? Admittedly don’t know much about WordPress, still do things the web designer way.
@ heysoos:
No, not into hot rods any more than you are into shopping for a cute pair of boots
lobo91 wrote:
Without enough voluntary compliance, not just the immigration system, but everything falls apart…
Calo wrote:
stacks or spikes ?
Mars wrote:
Need to be up beat a bit. Do not despise your ideas…run them across here and get others opinions so you can tell whether your mind is your enemy or they aren’t good ideas. Our worst enemy is ourselves. Lots of critic’s here.
@ Mars:
That’s including hosting and everything, not just the domain name.
Lily wrote:
Yeah, maybe I can put ferb and outsider in charge of reviewing.
First I have to find which one of my storage tubs is holding my notebook.
@ brookly red:
Spikes, they make my butt look better.
@ Calo:
hot rods are just that…you either do or you don’t
dig it
Albert King…
@ heysoos:
They just seem so, pedestrian.
Calo wrote:
OK, I get a lot of action… my idea of a first date is we have 2 drinks and appetizers… then she gets to shoe shop for an hour (longer if I really like her) then dinner.
works every time.
Rat Fink
lobo91 wrote:
Calo wrote:
fast cars are not for everyone, but it’s in my bones…I love the noise, power and speed….we race
lobo91 wrote:
Not too bad.
My usual costs run about 142.20 for three years. Including domain name and dedicated email. I could use their simple site designer, but prefer to do my own work.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
yup, that goes back a piece…cool old stuff
Calo wrote:
Heels are the dirtiest trick in the female arsenal, right up there with push up bras.
heysoos wrote:
Big Daddy was definitely one of a kind.
@ heysoos:
My fastest car was a 911 I fondly called Lil Red, a wedding gift from my husband.
I love fast cars, just not hot rods.
@ Mars:
Calo wrote:
Bought a pair just this week…web shopping! Great price too!
Mars wrote:
and as long as you regard them as a dirty trick you will be perplexed… viva la difference
@ Mars:
Oh I’d ignore the ferb and the outsider they both have a combined IQ of 45.
/really they aren’t very bright.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
saw him, met him several times…one of his Swamp Rats is in the Smith…sitting there all shiny
Lily wrote:
so we can officially stop worrying about your health?
@ brookly red:
I love wedge heels….they make the foot look so lovely.
Lily wrote:
OK full recovery… back to work with you.
Lily wrote:
I can name a couple of others too, but they may pop on here and get in a tizzy.
@ Mars:
I know nothing about this!!!!
Calo wrote:
I’m the proverbial little old lady in tennis shoes. Not tennis shoes specifically, but gym shoes. I even wear ‘em to church sometimes.
My old feet don’t do heels any more.
remember Bill Golden?…the Little Red wagon
@ Lily:
Maybe wedges work for you vertically challenged types.
I don’t need a shoe to put me at 6 feet without a spike.
Lily wrote:
The last pair of shoes I bought was a pair of flip flops at the thrift shop.
$1.
@ 1389AD:
I do tennis shoes at work too.
Retail is a bitch in heels.
brookly red wrote:
Don’t know. Still can’t drive. Still can’t pick up more than 5lbs…let’s just say I’m on the mend. I haven’t worn them …I’m looking into the future wearing them.
/I’m doing a lot better! I’m up to 8 minutes at cardio rehab…they say I’m doing great. I’m pushing up a minute each session and one session went to 2 minutes up!!!
I’m taking a walk on the wild side!
brookly red wrote:
LOL!!! Wedge heels do look good!
I wonder why this wasn’t on the news?
//
Calo wrote:
la vie est une chienne en talons
heysoos wrote:
Sure do, made one myself from a plastic model kit way back…
Calo wrote:
Well…they are easy on the back and they also make the foot and leg look nice.
Not to mention you can get small wedge heels so you aren’t all that high.
lobo91 wrote:
Actually heard that on the news today. Based on how it was put forth you would have thought it was started by divine intervention. Not one mention of how it was stopped.
brookly red wrote:
et peut-être trop jarretelles, jarretières sont bien oui
@ brookly red:
Even more so when a woman yields one as a weapon.
Where is Obama when you need him on scarey looking killing devices?
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
he was a friend of my older brother…I was in awe of those guys…we had all the big dogs at Martin Dragway in south east MI…very cool place even then…I grew up with fast cars
lobo91 wrote:
Didn’t you get the MEMO that armed personnel at schools would never work?? Back to reeducation camp Komrad…
Calo wrote:
I’m sure he is scared of them if there is a woman wearing them.
Calo wrote:
Brooklyn gurls are worse than that…
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
this must be discarded asap… what if the peasants were to learn?
Lily wrote:
oh I am sure he wares Mooches all the time…
OPERATION SHOE derailment of the thread is a success!
No kidding…
This sums things nicely.
Hagel sinking
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Too bad Lurch’s nomination wasn’t sunk as well.
mfhorn wrote:
Lurch’s conformation shows the World that Obama’s team is now ready to seriously kiss ass…