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Obama’s thunderdome strategy

by Rodan ( 281 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Liberal Fascism, Progressives, Socialism, Tranzis at January 31st, 2013 - 2:00 pm

thunderdome

“Two men enter and only one man leaves” as Tina Turner said in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. That is Obama’s governing philosophy in a nut shell. Make no mistake, his goal is to totally destroy any opposition. On his target list is the Republican Party, Fox News and talk radio. Obama wants to create a national version of the Chicago machine and a One Party state.

Few are the men and women in American public life who haven’t heard Mr. Dooley’s famous aphorism: “Politics ain’t beanbag.” John Boehner, currently serving out his community service as speaker of the House, appears to have been meditating on Mr. Dooley’s cautionary wisdom. At the Ripon Society last week he said the Obama administration was trying “to annihilate the Republican Party.”

Better late than never, Speaker Boehner now sees that Barack Obama’s notion of political competition is Mad Max inside the Thunderdome: “Two men enter, one man leaves.”

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After the inaugural speech, Obama communications director Dan Pfeiffer said that Democrats don’t have “an opposition party worthy of the opportunity.” Even among the president’s supporters, one is hard put now to find anyone who doesn’t recognize that Mr. Obama’s original appeal to hope and change has given way to search and destroy.

Conventional wisdom holds that these unorthodox tactics are a mistake, that he’s going to need GOP support on immigration and such. And by now it’s conventional wisdom that when our smiling president transforms into Mr. Hyde he is merely channeling Saul Alinsky, deploying the tactics of community-organizing campaigns, the only operational world he knew before this.

The real pedigree, though, is a lot heavier than community organizing in Chicago.

Obama is one of the most ruthless politicians we have seen in politics. He has cemented a nearly invincible electoral machine that can win elections despite bad economic conditions. The machine, also known as Organizing for America, has made the Republicans the bad guys in the image of the public and now they are on the verge of irrelevancy.

The United States is now a defacto Socialist dictatorship. The machine Obama assembled will do whatever is needed to hold onto power. The god-king may not be on the ballot in 2016 but Organizing for America will still be there and whoever the Democrat nominee is will have the machine at their disposal.

The Chicago way has gone national and we are on the verge of a one party state.

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  1. buzzsawmonkey
    1 | January 31, 2013 2:07 pm

    Thunderdome strategy replaces the thunder-thighs strategy, now that Hillary Clinton has left the Administration.


  2. MikeA
    2 | January 31, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Really… you had to mention the thighs… Hope you have some brain bleach to go along with it….


  3. brookly red
    3 | January 31, 2013 2:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Thunderdome strategy replaces the thunder-thighs strategy, now that Hillary Clinton has left the Administration.

    /isn’t thunder thighs the secret service code for Moochelle?


  4. Lily
    4 | January 31, 2013 2:19 pm

    Obama is one of the most ruthless politicians we have seen in politics.

    Why is this? Sure you could blame the weak Republicans but that doesn’t explain it completely. For one everyone of our safety nets in the government that are there to stop a rogue president has failed. Every. Single. One.
    I think the media has played a huge part in letting obama become as dangerous as he is. Because make no mistake he is dangerous.


  5. buzzsawmonkey
    5 | January 31, 2013 2:19 pm

    John Boehner, currently serving out his community service as speaker of the House, appears to have been meditating on Mr. Dooley’s cautionary wisdom.

    I’ll believe he’s taken it to heart when he cancels that order for 500-pound sacks of beans.

    Obama is using political weaponry equivalent to that which he surreptitiously shipped to the drug cartels. Boehner, thus far, seems to have been operating under the beanbag-round rules of engagement which left Brian Terry at such a fatal disadvantage.


  6. Lily
    6 | January 31, 2013 2:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Thunderdome strategy replaces the thunder-thighs strategy, now that Hillary Clinton has left the Administration.
    /isn’t thunder thighs the secret service code for Moochelle?

    That maybe *thunder arms* there.


  7. 7 | January 31, 2013 2:20 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Hillary yuck!


  8. 8 | January 31, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ Lily:

    I think the media has played a huge part in letting obama become as dangerous as he is.

    They are part and parcel to the machine. Without the media, the machine is useless.


  9. brookly red
    9 | January 31, 2013 2:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I think the media has played a huge part in letting obama become as dangerous as he is.

    They are part and parcel to the machine. Without the media, the machine is useless.

    Time inc. is having more layoffs… just say no to media.


  10. MikeA
    10 | January 31, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Couldn’t happen to nicer people. Maybe The Zero will buy them out. Oh wait, they are already the government’s beeotch!


  11. brookly red
    11 | January 31, 2013 2:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I think the media has played a huge part in letting obama become as dangerous as he is.

    They are part and parcel to the machine. Without the media, the machine is useless.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/msnbc-airs-edited-sandy-hook-416977


  12. 12 | January 31, 2013 2:33 pm

    @ brookly red:

    When do they go on the auction block for $1, no reserve?


  13. Lily
    13 | January 31, 2013 2:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I think the media has played a huge part in letting obama become as dangerous as he is.
    They are part and parcel to the machine. Without the media, the machine is useless.

    True and another strange aspect is that the media has been able to con so many people!! In my neck of the woods you are going to hear more b*tching about the lies on the TV and the whole media more often than not. But apparently this is not nation wide. Because talking to someone I know in Arizona according to them what is wrong with the country is Rush Limbaugh…really? This is straight out of obama’s playbook….or should I say the left’s playbook. Never mind that there hasn’t been a budget in over 3 years…never mind what happened in Benghazi..never mind that Fast and Furious didn’t quite work out like they planned..but here they are gun-grabbing again..the real problem is Rush Limbaugh. I honestly don’t understand how people let themselves become so stupid to believe the lies.


  14. brookly red
    14 | January 31, 2013 2:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    When do they go on the auction block for $1, no reserve?

    more likely a GM style takeover…


  15. RIX
    15 | January 31, 2013 2:37 pm

    Obama does respect diversity of opinions , as long as the opinons are his.
    he has a totalitarian mind set & most people fail to put him in historical
    perspective.
    This has happened before in history & it never ends well.


  16. lobo91
    16 | January 31, 2013 2:38 pm

    Obama may be the current figrehead of the operation, but he certainly didn’t create it.

    This is the endgame of a slow-motion coup that’s been underway since long before he was born.


  17. brookly red
    17 | January 31, 2013 2:39 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama does respect diversity of opinions , as long as the opinons are his.
    he has a totalitarian mind set & most people fail to put him in historical
    perspective.
    This has happened before in history & it never ends well.

    and I hope doesn’t end well. soon.


  18. 18 | January 31, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Lily:

    This should send chills.

    Clinton could win Texas


  19. The Osprey
    19 | January 31, 2013 2:39 pm

    Civility!


  20. brookly red
    20 | January 31, 2013 2:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Obama may be the current figrehead of the operation, but he certainly didn’t create it.

    This is the endgame of a slow-motion coup that’s been underway since long before he was born.

    I don’t know if is the end game, the game didn’t stop in 1917…


  21. brookly red
    21 | January 31, 2013 2:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Lily:

    This should send chills.

    Clinton could win Texas

    and I could win Powerball


  22. heysoos
    22 | January 31, 2013 2:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Lily:
    This should send chills.
    Clinton could win Texas

    doesn’t look like old Jerry Jones is too popular over there…
    13% favorable


  23. The Osprey
    23 | January 31, 2013 2:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Lily:
    This should send chills.
    Clinton could win Texas

    Does that jibe with this? 67% of Texas Republicans, 15% of Blacks and 30% of Hispanics want Obama impeached.

    I guess some of those Texas Obama H8er’s love Cankles? :lol:


  24. 24 | January 31, 2013 2:44 pm

    industry.@ brookly red:

    Don’t dismiss this. The machine is targeting Texas. If 10 years ago someone told you that Virginia would be a blue State and North Carolina a swing state, we would laugh at it.

    I take this very serious.


  25. brookly red
    25 | January 31, 2013 2:44 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    I guess some of those Texas Obama H8er’s love Cankles?

    well deep fried anyway


  26. lobo91
    26 | January 31, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ Rodan:

    What a shock. A DNC-affiliated polling company claims that Hillary is going to win a state where half the people wouldn’t piss on her if she were on fire.


  27. 27 | January 31, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Hillary has been turned into this myth figure.


  28. heysoos
    28 | January 31, 2013 2:46 pm

    @ lobo91:
    my same thoughts…yawn


  29. brookly red
    29 | January 31, 2013 2:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    industry.@ brookly red:

    Don’t dismiss this. The machine is targeting Texas. If 10 years ago someone told you that Virginia would be a blue State and North Carolina a swing state, we would laugh at it.

    I take this very serious.

    it is serious. it is also totally fraudulent. end voter fraud and the machine, it is that simple


  30. lobo91
    30 | January 31, 2013 2:46 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Virginia is a blue state today because of the massive expansion of federal hiring in DC. Those people have to live somewhere, and they sure as hell aren’t going to live in DC.


  31. 31 | January 31, 2013 2:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    What a shock. A DNC-affiliated polling company claims that Hillary is going to win a state where half the people wouldn’t piss on her if she were on fire.

    We dismissed their polls in the 2012 election and it bit the GOP in the ass. I would take this very serious. OFA is not a joke. Even if the Dems do not win Texas, if they make it a swing state, game over.


  32. brookly red
    32 | January 31, 2013 2:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Hillary has been turned into this myth figure.

    idolatry has it’s “rewards”, be patient.


  33. 33 | January 31, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It’s PPP. They probably polled their office and came up with the answer.


  34. 34 | January 31, 2013 2:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That’s part of it. Plus OFA is very organized. Too many Conservatives are underestimating these guys.


  35. heysoos
    35 | January 31, 2013 2:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Virginia is a blue state today because of the massive expansion of federal hiring in DC. Those people have to live somewhere, and they sure as hell aren’t going to live in DC.

    or Falls Church, Tysons Corner, Reston or….


  36. 36 | January 31, 2013 2:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    It’s PPP. They probably polled their office and came up with the answer.

    Their polls were spot on about the 2012 election. Conservatives need to stop dismissing OFA and the machine. They know what they are doing. Our side still doesn’t grasp what they are dealing with.


  37. Lily
    37 | January 31, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ RIX:

    No it doesn’t end well at all..but people refuse to look at the reality of what obama is really like. Someone who voted for obama was outraged the other day that they saw on the news that if your family and your doctor both agree that they can end your life instead of treating you. They were *shocked* at this..I said obamacare …no they said it was just some peoples opinions..I said why in the hell are they talking about it now on the TV? It’s about obamacare whether you want to admit to it or not.


  38. lobo91
    38 | January 31, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    We dismissed their polls in the 2012 election and it bit the GOP in the ass. I would take this very serious. OFA is not a joke. Even if the Dems do not win Texas, if they make it a swing state, game over.

    The 2012 polls were crap, as far as measuring public opinion. They were used to cover up the theft of several key states by the Democrats.

    This is the beginning of them laying the groundwork to do the same in 2016.

    I take it seriously, but not the same way you do.


  39. heysoos
    39 | January 31, 2013 2:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    What a shock. A DNC-affiliated polling company claims that Hillary is going to win a state where half the people wouldn’t piss on her if she were on fire.

    We dismissed their polls in the 2012 election and it bit the GOP in the ass. I would take this very serious. OFA is not a joke. Even if the Dems do not win Texas, if they make it a swing state, game over.

    Texans will blow her shining record out of the water…people work hard and actually get stuff done over there…that greasy dead beat has no chance


  40. 40 | January 31, 2013 2:52 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Yes after we die.


  41. lobo91
    41 | January 31, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Their polls were spot on about the 2012 election.

    It’s easy to predict the results of a rigged election.


  42. brookly red
    42 | January 31, 2013 2:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    It’s PPP. They probably polled their office and came up with the answer.

    Their polls were spot on about the 2012 election. Conservatives need to stop dismissing OFA and the machine. They know what they are doing. Our side still doesn’t grasp what they are dealing with.

    they were spot on because they were fixed. if conservatives want to do something about it winning hearts & minds won’t work. enforcing laws will.


  43. brookly red
    43 | January 31, 2013 2:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Their polls were spot on about the 2012 election.

    It’s easy to predict the results of a rigged election.

    where the heck is the upding button? LOL


  44. 44 | January 31, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I take it seriously, but not the same way you do.

    I’m just glad you see the danger in these guys. We can disagree on some particulars, but we do agree these guys dangerous. Obama was just the beginning I fear.


  45. 45 | January 31, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Voter ID is part of the solution. ANyone who is against voter ID i sfor voter fraud. It is that simple. It shouldn’t be easier to vote than it is to buy a gun, really. Let alone a case of beer.


  46. lobo91
    46 | January 31, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Why the hell do you think they’re so desperate to take guns away?

    They got away with stealing a couple of states this time. If they try that crap in Texas, it’ll get ugly.


  47. 47 | January 31, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They are dangerous!


  48. brookly red
    48 | January 31, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ lobo91:

    Americans are not stupid, we see what’s going on and we realize wasting efforts on strawmen won’t cut it. Hard to worry about the next fixed election


  49. heysoos
    49 | January 31, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ brookly red:
    yes, Americans are stupid…and our children even more so


  50. RIX
    50 | January 31, 2013 3:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Obama does respect diversity of opinions , as long as the opinons are his.
    he has a totalitarian mind set & most people fail to put him in historical
    perspective.
    This has happened before in history & it never ends well.

    and I hope doesn’t end well. soon.

    I just don’t want it to end poorly for all of us.


  51. lobo91
    51 | January 31, 2013 3:02 pm

    The political equivalent of covering your ears and screaming “I can’t hear you!”:

    GDP Shows Negative Growth In First Quarter, Jobless Claims Spike . . . Harry Reid’s Response: “We Are In A Recovery,” Don’t “Bad Mouth It”…

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday said the American economy is “in a recovery” despite the decline in the nation’s gross domestic product (GDP).

    Reid made the remark after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) blamed the White House for the unexpected contraction in the economy.

    “[McConnell] continues bad mouthing the recovery,” Reid said on the Senate floor. “We are in a recovery.”

    When the figures from next quarter show the same thing, they’ll just redefine “recovery.”


  52. lobo91
    52 | January 31, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ RIX:

    I just don’t want it to end poorly for all of us.

    I don’t see any way around it, at this point.


  53. sk (skzion)
    53 | January 31, 2013 3:04 pm

    Hi Rodan. It’s been a long time since I’ve written here, though I have tried to keep an eye on this blog.

    It would be hard to overstate my loathing and contempt for Barry Hussein and his Wookie wife. I fully agree with your take on what these two are trying to do.

    However, they and the Democrats rely on aid from the Republicans in the House and Senate. For example, the Rubio whom you like so much is leading the way to adding another 15 or so million Democratic-voting new Hispanic citizens. Once they are citizens, there will be another 15 million illegals “doing work Americans don’t want to do.” After all, there is business demand for low-paid cash-only illegal workers, and there is no political will to tell business to innovate, mechanize, or pay legal wages. The same Rubio plan will also legalize the illegal Muslims.

    While the Dems are out to destroy the Reps, the Reps are participating in their own destruction, in the long term. And so-called conservatives pundits like Rush and Levin are koshering the likes of McLame and Rubio. This is becaues Rush and Levin are not conservative pundits but partisan operatives themselves.

    This past election is distinctive to me for one reason: married white turnout was depressed. I think that was because the Republican candidate offered little for mainstream Republican voters (who are white and married). Indeed, Indeed, the Equestrian Potential First Lady spent her time on the convention badmouthing men in a desperate effort to lure single women who would never vote for Mittens anyway.


  54. Lily
    54 | January 31, 2013 3:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    industry.@ brookly red:
    Don’t dismiss this. The machine is targeting Texas. If 10 years ago someone told you that Virginia would be a blue State and North Carolina a swing state, we would laugh at it.
    I take this very serious.

    Texas has had a democratic governor before. Really I wouldn’t be that all concerned Texas as a whole is never, ever going to leftist in it’s thinking like East and West coast states. Really I wouldn’t be all that concerned with Texas suddenly going totally blue. It just isn’t going to happen Rodan…they may hope and wish but really the whole south isn’t going to be blue.


  55. brookly red
    55 | January 31, 2013 3:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Obama does respect diversity of opinions , as long as the opinons are his.
    he has a totalitarian mind set & most people fail to put him in historical
    perspective.
    This has happened before in history & it never ends well.

    and I hope doesn’t end well. soon.

    I just don’t want it to end poorly for all of us.

    well yes and no. this will not be pretty but freedom isn’t free


  56. 56 | January 31, 2013 3:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s not a recession unless they say it’s a recession. I bet if you factored out the growth in the Federal Government that we’ve been in a declining economy all along. I’ve never seen the figures to back that up, but I suspect that it is the truth.


  57. lobo91
    57 | January 31, 2013 3:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ lobo91:
    Americans are not stupid, we see what’s going on and we realize wasting efforts on strawmen won’t cut it. Hard to worry about the next fixed election

    Actually, many Americans are stupid, unfortunately.

    The GOP may be “the stupid party,” but the Democrats are “the party of the stupid.”

    Not sure which is worse.


  58. heysoos
    58 | January 31, 2013 3:06 pm

    I think Rush Limbaugh has the best solution regarding illegal immigration…the beauty is in the simplicity…accept a long term ‘road’ with all that implies, but no voting rights for 25 years


  59. RIX
    59 | January 31, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ Lily:
    Obama Care is Eugenics based. Seniors & imperfect children under two
    years of age will have difficulty getting medical delivery.
    People are in denial.
    The unions are now upset because they realize that this health reform
    will cost them a lot more. Duh!


  60. taxfreekiller
    60 | January 31, 2013 3:07 pm

    mstfk just got a call from one of her bud’s over in Kaufman County,
    A assistant DA got shot this morning around 9:00 am, two guys with masks and body armor, killed him and got away.

    She is trying to find out more.

    The lady she talked to said one dep. sh. she knows is worried that it was a drug cartel hit squad that pulled this off.

    The hired killers have not been caught.


  61. 61 | January 31, 2013 3:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I don’t see any way around it, at this point.

    I don’t either. If nothing else, the economy collapses in about ten years.


  62. lobo91
    62 | January 31, 2013 3:08 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    It’s not a recession unless they say it’s a recession. I bet if you factored out the growth in the Federal Government that we’ve been in a declining economy all along. I’ve never seen the figures to back that up, but I suspect that it is the truth.

    Of course that’s the case.


  63. brookly red
    63 | January 31, 2013 3:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ lobo91:
    Americans are not stupid, we see what’s going on and we realize wasting efforts on strawmen won’t cut it. Hard to worry about the next fixed election

    Actually, many Americans are stupid, unfortunately.

    The GOP may be “the stupid naive party,” but the Democrats are “the party of the stupid useful idiots.”

    Not sure which is worse.

    minor edits


  64. The Osprey
    64 | January 31, 2013 3:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    Hillary has been turned into this myth figure.

    She’s a myth figure allright: a Gorgon!


  65. Lily
    65 | January 31, 2013 3:09 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    yes, Americans are stupid…and our children even more so

    That’s a broad brush sure half of us are stupid…but not all Americans are stupid….and not all of our children are either.


  66. brookly red
    66 | January 31, 2013 3:09 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    mstfk just got a call from one of her bud’s over in Kaufman County,
    A assistant DA got shot this morning around 9:00 am, two guys with masks and body armor, killed him and got away.

    She is trying to find out more.

    The lady she talked to said one dep. sh. she knows is worried that it was a drug cartel hit squad that pulled this off.

    The hired killers have not been caught.

    and no doubt they used F&F guns… betcha!


  67. lobo91
    67 | January 31, 2013 3:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    yes, Americans are stupid…and our children even more so
    That’s a broad brush sure half of us are stupid…but not all Americans are stupid….and not all of our children are either.

    No, but about half are.

    That means they only have to tinker with a few percentage points in order to steal elections.


  68. RIX
    68 | January 31, 2013 3:10 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Let’s hope that we can maintain respect for the constitution.
    The Left has sniped at the document for years, now it is an assault.
    That document is what keeps us from a police state.


  69. 69 | January 31, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ sk (skzion):

    Hi good to see you. Stop by and say hi.


  70. 70 | January 31, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    :lol:

    Release the Crackle!


  71. lobo91
    71 | January 31, 2013 3:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I don’t see any way around it, at this point.
    I don’t either. If nothing else, the economy collapses in about ten years.

    And that’s the rosy scenario, using their own projections of debt growth. According to the Democrats’ plan, we’ll be somewhere around $30 trillion in debt in 10 years (which means that in reality, it’ll be worse).

    I don’t see GDP expanding much, if any. That puts us at close to 200% by 2022.


  72. darkwords
    72 | January 31, 2013 3:13 pm

    Why do Obama and surrogate always make an emotional appeal to “NOW” indicating they don’t want the normal process to happen, just submission to their thoughts without question. I say it is because they are basically hysterical thinkers and the GOP at the top level needs to start advancing that idea as an Alinksy attack on Obama.


  73. Lily
    73 | January 31, 2013 3:13 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Obama Care is Eugenics based. Seniors & imperfect children under two
    years of age will have difficulty getting medical delivery.
    People are in denial.
    The unions are now upset because they realize that this health reform
    will cost them a lot more. Duh!

    Yep they are just now starting to get it but they aren’t blaming it on the right person…this person was *some group of people*. And who would that group of people be I asked???


  74. heysoos
    74 | January 31, 2013 3:14 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    yes, Americans are stupid…and our children even more so
    That’s a broad brush sure half of us are stupid…but not all Americans are stupid….and not all of our children are either.

    well of course I’M not stupid!….something about sweeping judgment that’s easy on a blog…seriously, our children are not doing good as a whole…thank god that’s all behind me and my kids are out in front of all that…the Hudonville, MI schools where my grand kids will go are highly regarded


  75. sk (skzion)
    75 | January 31, 2013 3:14 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Well, heysoos, now Rush is backing the Rubio/McCain plan, which is basically the Democratic plan, which is prompt citizenship.


  76. heysoos
    76 | January 31, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ lobo91:
    and I’m willing…I was serious when I posted weeks ago that we have to get in on this tactic…nice guys finish last


  77. darkwords
    77 | January 31, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ 24 Rodan: In a game then you would go target their homebase back also. But the GoP are silly when it comes to thinking like that. They convince themeselves it’s not worth the money to find one conservative in an urban area. And they never get established.


  78. Lily
    78 | January 31, 2013 3:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    yes, Americans are stupid…and our children even more so
    That’s a broad brush sure half of us are stupid…but not all Americans are stupid….and not all of our children are either.
    No, but about half are.
    That means they only have to tinker with a few percentage points in order to steal elections.

    Oh I agree that 1/2 are…and now they are wanting to do away with cursive writing in school!!! And mostly concentrate on typing! Really I managed to learn both while in school. I swear the schools are the worst right now and it looks like they are going to go down even further.


  79. 79 | January 31, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ lobo91:

    I predict economic collapse in 2017.


  80. brookly red
    80 | January 31, 2013 3:18 pm

    sk (skzion) wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Well, heysoos, now Rush is backing the Rubio/McCain plan, which is basically the Democratic plan, which is prompt citizenship.

    not exactly what I heard him say…


  81. lobo91
    81 | January 31, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ Lily:

    Oh I agree that 1/2 are…and now they are wanting to do away with cursive writing in school!!! And mostly concentrate on typing! Really I managed to learn both while in school. I swear the schools are the worst right now and it looks like they are going to go down even further.

    May as well do away with textbooks and school libraries, too.

    Wikipedia’s free, after all.
    //


  82. buzzsawmonkey
    82 | January 31, 2013 3:19 pm

    Lily wrote:

    and now they are wanting to do away with cursive writing in school!!!

    “Cursive? Foiled again!”
    —Snidely Whiplash

    Hey, who needs to know how to write if you can text?


  83. heysoos
    83 | January 31, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ sk (skzion):
    I gave up after the 2007 fiasco…I always leaned toward the republican party, but at that point they left my in the dust and I’ve never trusted them since…I’m not a party guy anyway…I’m less concerned about the people than I am about border security


  84. buzzsawmonkey
    84 | January 31, 2013 3:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    May as well do away with textbooks and school libraries, too.

    We’re halfway there already.


  85. lobo91
    85 | January 31, 2013 3:21 pm

    @ sk (skzion):

    I’m not sure why there’s all this discussion of citizenship for illegals in the first place. Sure, they’ll take a US passport if you offer it to them, because it’ll make it easier to go back and forth.

    But most of them have no real interest in giving up their current citizenship and becoming Americans. They’re just here for the money.


  86. 86 | January 31, 2013 3:21 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 24 Rodan: In a game then you would go target their homebase back also. But the GoP are silly when it comes to thinking like that. They convince themeselves it’s not worth the money to find one conservative in an urban area. And they never get established.

    I agree with you but as the GOP is currently configured will not even bother with Urban areas.


  87. buzzsawmonkey
    87 | January 31, 2013 3:22 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’m not a party guy anyway…

    …I guess you won’t mind, then, if I take your drink…


  88. heysoos
    88 | January 31, 2013 3:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    and now they are wanting to do away with cursive writing in school!!!
    “Cursive? Foiled again!”
    —Snidely Whiplash
    Hey, who needs to know how to write if you can text?

    as long as you can swim….


  89. darkwords
    89 | January 31, 2013 3:22 pm

    @ 45 Iron Fist: Yes but the smartest and brightness minds in the gop leadership are completely unable to articulate what you just clearly said.

    They let themselves get fuzzied out by an unrealistic big long term picture. Instead of fighting for every single vote,


  90. heysoos
    90 | January 31, 2013 3:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I’m not a party guy anyway…
    …I guess you won’t mind, then, if I take your drink…

    you again!…I set em up


  91. 91 | January 31, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ lobo91:

    The real danger are people who overstay their visas. That is the 800 lb Gorilla people will not discuss.


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    92 | January 31, 2013 3:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m not sure why there’s all this discussion of citizenship for illegals in the first place.

    The Democrats want their votes, the rich want their pool boys and groundskeepers, and the Republicans want to cave in the most disadvantageous possible way to whatever nonsense they read in the mainstream media.


  93. Lily
    93 | January 31, 2013 3:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Oh I agree that 1/2 are…and now they are wanting to do away with cursive writing in school!!! And mostly concentrate on typing! Really I managed to learn both while in school. I swear the schools are the worst right now and it looks like they are going to go down even further.
    May as well do away with textbooks and school libraries, too.
    Wikipedia’s free, after all.
    //

    It is extremely stupid idea but seems to be gaining a foot hole….

    The New Script for Teaching Handwriting Is No Script at All

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323644904578272151551627948.html


  94. heysoos
    94 | January 31, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ Lily:
    heh…nice catch


  95. buzzsawmonkey
    95 | January 31, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    The teachers all wrote on the interactive smartboard in cursive. “All the kids started freaking out,” Ms. Chaffier said. “They were like, ‘Why are you doing this to us?’ “

    If a teacher—a teacher!—uses the “past comparative” tense, what the hell can she be teaching her students?


  96. brookly red
    96 | January 31, 2013 3:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m not sure why there’s all this discussion of citizenship for illegals in the first place.

    The Democrats want their votes, the rich want their pool boys and groundskeepers, and the Republicans want to cave in the most disadvantageous possible way to whatever nonsense they read in the mainstream media.

    and they all want to replace Blacks with Mexicans, dirty business.


  97. brookly red
    97 | January 31, 2013 3:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The teachers all wrote on the interactive smartboard in cursive. “All the kids started freaking out,” Ms. Chaffier said. “They were like, ‘Why are you doing this to us?’ “

    If a teacher—a teacher!—uses the “past comparative” tense, what the hell can she be teaching her students?

    I think you know the answer to that…


  98. Lily
    98 | January 31, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Hey I couldn’t believe it! Really they want to not teach kids cursive writing??? What world am I living in? I swear it’s the Twilight Zone!


  99. heysoos
    99 | January 31, 2013 3:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The teachers all wrote on the interactive smartboard in cursive. “All the kids started freaking out,” Ms. Chaffier said. “They were like, ‘Why are you doing this to us?’ “
    If a teacher—a teacher!—uses the “past comparative” tense, what the hell can she be teaching her students?

    pup tense are much more cozy for elementary age kids


  100. 100 | January 31, 2013 3:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    Welcome to Progressive America.


  101. buzzsawmonkey
    101 | January 31, 2013 3:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Hey I couldn’t believe it! Really they want to not teach kids cursive writing??? What world am I living in? I swear it’s the Twilight Zone!

    What they’re not telling you is—the teachers probably can’t do it.


  102. brookly red
    102 | January 31, 2013 3:31 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Hey I couldn’t believe it! Really they want to not teach kids cursive writing??? What world am I living in? I swear it’s the Twilight Zone!

    just make an X mark here to vote democrat…

    and here to do it again…

    and here…

    here too…


  103. Lily
    103 | January 31, 2013 3:31 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The teachers all wrote on the interactive smartboard in cursive. “All the kids started freaking out,” Ms. Chaffier said. “They were like, ‘Why are you doing this to us?’ “
    If a teacher—a teacher!—uses the “past comparative” tense, what the hell can she be teaching her students?

    But wait a minute we need to pay them more!!!
    /the world is insane.


  104. buzzsawmonkey
    104 | January 31, 2013 3:31 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    pup tense

    You wag, you…


  105. darkwords
    105 | January 31, 2013 3:33 pm

    @ 58 heysoos: Yes and have each state establish economic ties with the state across the border.


  106. RIX
    106 | January 31, 2013 3:33 pm

    Yep they are just now starting to get it but they aren’t blaming it on the right person…this person was *some group of people*. And who would that group of people be I asked???
    @ Lily:

    Unions & others are now discovering that the promise that ObamaCare will
    cost less is bull.
    The White House is trying to blame it on the way that Congress wrote the Law.
    Congress did not write it. Health & Human Services wrote it under White House
    direction.


  107. 107 | January 31, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It could happen that quickly. It could happen a hell of a lot sooner than that. I think it’ll basically be what doe sthe bond market do. When we hold a bond sale and Bernanke can’t print money fast enough to prop up (or down, really) our interest rates, all hell will break loose. If interest rates rise much above zero, we’re really hosed. They wouldn’t have to spike much, just a couple of percent at our level of debt, and we’d be thrown into default. They couldn’t raise the debt ceiling, because there’d be nobody to borrow the money from. That’s the real debt ceiling, and Congress doesn’t have much say in when our creditors cut us off.


  108. lobo91
    108 | January 31, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Won’t be long before we start putting pictures of the candidates on the ballot, instead, or party logoes.

    That’s what they do in a lot of third world countries.


  109. heysoos
    109 | January 31, 2013 3:35 pm

    my ex voted for BO despite my near hysterical reservations…then she went on to cop her MSN, masters in nursing…her auxillary courses were…
    Assembling A Fire Starter Kit
    How to Kill And Feed Yourself
    Edible Costa Rican Lizards
    at least she has a sense of humor, and she readily admits her mistake


  110. buzzsawmonkey
    110 | January 31, 2013 3:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Unions & others are now discovering that the promise that ObamaCare will cost less is bull.
    The White House is trying to blame it on the way that Congress wrote the Law.
    Congress did not write it. Health & Human Services wrote it under White House
    direction.

    Didn’t the unions get waivers? Are those expiring? Are they—dare I say it—wavering in their enthusiasm?


  111. theoutsider
    111 | January 31, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Isn’t that a big part of the 8on8 commission.


  112. Lily
    112 | January 31, 2013 3:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Welcome to Progressive America.

    I don’t like it and haven’t liked it for a while. Pure insanity to say the least. We are supposed to accept whatever they think is good for us…well I am not buying it. To do away with cursive writing is nutz.


  113. lobo91
    113 | January 31, 2013 3:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The great Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman disagrees with you:

    Krugman: “We Can Print The Money”…

    Liberal economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said Wednesday that the U.S. is not in danger of a collapse, and the U.S. won’t run out of cash because “we can print the money.”

    “The United States is a country that has its own currency – can’t run out of cash, cause we print the money. If you even try to think what would happen – suppose that investors get down on the United States. Even so, that would weaken the dollar, not send interest rates soaring, and that would be good. That would help our exports,” Krugman said on C-SPAN’s “Newsmakers.”

    //Yeah…we’re doomed.


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    114 | January 31, 2013 3:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Won’t be long before we start putting pictures of the candidates on the ballot, instead, or party logoes.

    That’s what they do in a lot of third world countries.

    Many years ago, I saw the first post-literate parking garage—in, guess where, Chicago.

    All the floors were color-coded, so you didn’t need to remember the number of the floor. All of them were named for cities, and there was an endless tape loop playing a city-themed song. So if you left your car in “Kansas City,” you merely needed to remember to get out at the floor where they were playing, “I’m goin’ to Kansas City, Kansas City here I come”; if you “left your car in San Francisco,” you got off at the floor where they were playing Tony Bennett on endless loop.

    Once again, Chicago shows the way.


  115. Lily
    115 | January 31, 2013 3:39 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ brookly red:

    Exactly what are they going to do type their signature or print it???


  116. heysoos
    116 | January 31, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ theoutsider:
    @ theoutsider:
    what’s up cowboy?…given any thought as to how much debt is too much?…do you have a hearing problem?…want some cred?


  117. buzzsawmonkey
    117 | January 31, 2013 3:41 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Exactly what are they going to do type their signature or print it???

    Just ink up that thumb, now, and press right here…


  118. taxfreekiller
    118 | January 31, 2013 3:41 pm

    Assistant D.A. was Mark Hasse, 57 year old, mstfk says that he had been in a wheel chair but had been able to get out of that of late and walk with a cane.

    Some Ayran Brotherhood kooks in the area, but, no word on if he had had any threats.

    Seen leaving in a older Ford Toruas with no lis plate.

    clear it was a hit, who is behind it unknow

    The DA guy was a well liked local and had been on this job from 2010.


  119. Lily
    119 | January 31, 2013 3:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Yep they are just now starting to get it but they aren’t blaming it on the right person…this person was *some group of people*. And who would that group of people be I asked???
    @ Lily:

    Unions & others are now discovering that the promise that ObamaCare will
    cost less is bull.
    The White House is trying to blame it on the way that Congress wrote the Law.
    Congress did not write it. Health & Human Services wrote it under White House
    direction.

    Yes I have noticed that they are trying to blame Congress now on this monstrous law….my thoughts and words are “it’s called obamacare for a reason fools!”


  120. lobo91
    120 | January 31, 2013 3:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ brookly red:
    Exactly what are they going to do type their signature or print it???

    How often do you actually sign anything these days?

    I know I use PIN numbers or passwords a lot more than I do a pen.


  121. heysoos
    121 | January 31, 2013 3:46 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Won’t be long before we start putting pictures of the candidates on the ballot, instead, or party logoes.
    That’s what they do in a lot of third world countries.
    Many years ago, I saw the first post-literate parking garage—in, guess where, Chicago.
    All the floors were color-coded, so you didn’t need to remember the number of the floor. All of them were named for cities, and there was an endless tape loop playing a city-themed song. So if you left your car in “Kansas City,” you merely needed to remember to get out at the floor where they were playing, “I’m goin’ to Kansas City, Kansas City here I come”; if you “left your car in San Francisco,” you got off at the floor where they were playing Tony Bennett on endless loop.
    Once again, Chicago shows the way.

    Universal Studios in Orlando opened the largest single standing, multi level parking lot in the world…the levels were named after comic book characters…one time, I got so drunk down there, my wife and her family abandoned me and left for a hotel…I stumbled around for a very long time looking for the Incredible Hulk level and my red rental…I was seeing triple and could not really walk…eventually the place emptied out and I found my car…that was the beginning of a separate adventure…take me to an amusement park but you have to watch me closely or I’ll hurt myself


  122. RIX
    122 | January 31, 2013 3:47 pm

    Yes I have noticed that they are trying to blame Congress now on this monstrous law….my thoughts and words are “it’s called obamacare for a reason fools!”
    @ Lily:

    Not only did Congress not write the Bill, they didn’t even read it.


  123. lobo91
    123 | January 31, 2013 3:47 pm

    Not sure how you square this with Obama having a 60% approval rating:

    Pew Poll Finds For First Time Majority Of Americans Think Federal Government Threatens Their Rights, Freedoms…

    For the first time, a majority of Americans believe the federal government threatens their rights and freedoms, according to a poll released Thursday.

    Fifty-three percent of Americans believe the government is a threat, and 43 percent do not, according to a Pew Research Center poll. Three-in-ten Americans believe government constitutes a major threat. In a poll conducted October 2003, only 45 percent saw government as a threat to their freedoms. Fifty-four percent do not.


  124. 124 | January 31, 2013 3:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Won’t be long before we start putting pictures of the candidates on the ballot, instead, or party logoes.
    That’s what they do in a lot of third world countries.

    No lie, I did hear some people call for that.


  125. 125 | January 31, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Keep us posted.


  126. Lily
    126 | January 31, 2013 3:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You sign your name more than you think…doc’s appts. loans, to vote, when you use your charge card you need a signature…you need to sign all the damn other forms at the doc’s. The hospital you need to sign in and you need to sign out..I could go on but yes there are a lot of things you need to sign for …..oh yes and that package from Fedex.


  127. 127 | January 31, 2013 3:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think it will happen suddenly and without warning.


  128. 128 | January 31, 2013 3:51 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yeah its sad.


  129. heysoos
    129 | January 31, 2013 3:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Won’t be long before we start putting pictures of the candidates on the ballot, instead, or party logoes.
    That’s what they do in a lot of third world countries.

    No lie, I did hear some people call for that.

    the donk logo will be a stylized Ophone….with a prehensile tail drooping around a $ sign


  130. 130 | January 31, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Guess he’s never heard of Zimbabwe… :roll:


  131. Lily
    131 | January 31, 2013 3:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Yes I have noticed that they are trying to blame Congress now on this monstrous law….my thoughts and words are “it’s called obamacare for a reason fools!”
    @ Lily:

    Not only did Congress not write the Bill, they didn’t even read it.

    Did Congress really have anything to do with it? From what I could tell nope. Gotta pass it to know what’s in it..but take our word whatever is in it is good for you..so be of good cheer!!
    /sorry I don’t take people’s word for it…especially when they are trying to over-sell it…somethings wrong IMHO.


  132. 132 | January 31, 2013 3:53 pm

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Isn’t that a big part of the 8on8 commission.

    The whole Immigration thing is a charade. You guys are using it to whip up the Republican base and get nasty comments by Ann Coulter and others to run ads in Hispanics areas to scare them into voting Democrats.

    It’s a dog and pony show to distract from the economy.


  133. buzzsawmonkey
    133 | January 31, 2013 3:54 pm

    Caroline Glick lays it on the line.

    Must-see TV.


  134. 134 | January 31, 2013 3:54 pm

    @ heysoos:

    :lol:


  135. lobo91
    135 | January 31, 2013 3:57 pm

    Filed under “No shit, Sherlock”:

    Hillary Clinton: America Does “Stupid Things”…

    Let’s see…electing your grifter husband…making you Secretary of State…electing Obama…


  136. Da_Beerfreak
    136 | January 31, 2013 3:57 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    and I’m willing…I was serious when I posted weeks ago that we have to get in on this tactic…nice guys finish last

    Exactly. You have to attack the enemy where ever you can, as hard as you can, and never let up. This is not a game, this is war. The prize for winning is the Country.


  137. 137 | January 31, 2013 3:57 pm

    @ sk (skzion):

    No he is not.


  138. heysoos
    138 | January 31, 2013 3:57 pm

    TWINKIES LIVE!
    the half billion dollar recipe…
    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/01/31/hostess-picks-lead-bidders-for-twinkies-brand/?intcmp=features


  139. 139 | January 31, 2013 3:58 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Or me. In fact, Rush went out of his way yesterday and today on his radio show to say that the MSM is now proclaiming he backs the plan because he had Rubio on the show and said that RUBIO had good ideas. One is that nothing, not citizenship, NOTHING, is to be done or put into motion until the border has been secured. Period.


  140. Lily
    140 | January 31, 2013 3:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Not sure how you square this with Obama having a 60% approval rating:

    Pew Poll Finds For First Time Majority Of Americans Think Federal Government Threatens Their Rights, Freedoms…

    For the first time, a majority of Americans believe the federal government threatens their rights and freedoms, according to a poll released Thursday.

    Fifty-three percent of Americans believe the government is a threat, and 43 percent do not, according to a Pew Research Center poll. Three-in-ten Americans believe government constitutes a major threat. In a poll conducted October 2003, only 45 percent saw government as a threat to their freedoms. Fifty-four percent do not.

    It proves there was more election fraud than at first thought. When I went to Cardio Rehab when obama’s presidential inauguration was going to be on the TV…they told me they weren’t going to turn on the TV that day because of that and they really let me know how they felt about him…which made me wonder how the hell did he get re-elected with normal people (people who don’t read politic’s daily) feeling this highly about him. I know of a few obama voters but the anti-obama people runs a lot higher.


  141. heysoos
    141 | January 31, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    right…I have never been overly opinionated about the illegals, it just does not interest me…border security is my right hook and for that reason alone I support anybody that supports me…first you cover my back, then we can move on


  142. brookly red
    142 | January 31, 2013 4:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Or me. In fact, Rush went out of his way yesterday and today on his radio show to say that the MSM is now proclaiming he backs the plan because he had Rubio on the show and said that RUBIO had good ideas. One is that nothing, not citizenship, NOTHING, is to be done or put into motion until the border has been secured. Period.

    and he also went out of his way to say how it would be presented to the low information types… which would explain the drive by I was referring to.


  143. 143 | January 31, 2013 4:05 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Rubio is front and center about securing the border and has stated unequivocally that unless the plan calls for securing the border first before any type of reckoning with those that are already here, he will not vote for it. Kennedy and the rest of the Democrat a-holes fooled Reagan in 1986 by telling him if only he’ll sign this and grant the amnesty, the border will be secured and we’ll never have to visit this issue again. Like when he signed the tax hike -- “sign this and we’ll cut spending.”

    They didn’t do either. What’s the old saying? “Fool me once….”


  144. Da_Beerfreak
    144 | January 31, 2013 4:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    and now they are wanting to do away with cursive writing in school!!!

    “Cursive? Foiled again!”
    —Snidely Whiplash

    Hey, who needs to know how to write if you can text?

    Thanks to my dyslexia, I have always had a very difficult time reading cursive writing. I won’t miss it one bit.


  145. 145 | January 31, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Yep -- he was playing clips how the MSM libturds were peeing all over themselves about how Rush Limbaugh was now onboard with comprehensive immigration reform and amnesty! Because Rubio was soooo persuasive.

    My thought was “what show were YOU listening to? I heard the show live. I also have the podcast and I didn’t hear that at all.”


  146. Lily
    146 | January 31, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Best thing to do is if you do sign it you make sure they sign something that keeps them to their word…or just don’t sign it.


  147. 147 | January 31, 2013 4:09 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Nothing is going to come out it anyway. It’s just a way for the Democrats to whip up the Republican base get a few comments then run them in ads.

    One thing Rubio is right on, It’s not just the borders. It’s people who overstay their tourist visas who are the biggest risk. No one except him even discuss the visa overstay.


  148. taxfreekiller
    148 | January 31, 2013 4:11 pm

    It will not matter if the “plan” calls for border security.

    They lie.

    They are broke on their ass’s.

    The donks want the borders open.

    The liberal judges and the ACLU will sue to the end of time.

    Only way, fix the boder first, 4 to 6 years with it fixed then talk.

    Any thing else is a “con” and we do not need to me “marks” any longer.@ Carolina Girl:


  149. brookly red
    149 | January 31, 2013 4:12 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Yep — he was playing clips how the MSM libturds were peeing all over themselves about how Rush Limbaugh was now onboard with comprehensive immigration reform and amnesty! Because Rubio was soooo persuasive.

    My thought was “what show were YOU listening to? I heard the show live. I also have the podcast and I didn’t hear that at all.”

    well be sure to mention that to our friend if he comes by for another pass… they seem to be showing up all of a sudden.


  150. Da_Beerfreak
    150 | January 31, 2013 4:12 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ sk (skzion):
    I gave up after the 2007 fiasco…I always leaned toward the republican party, but at that point they left my in the dust and I’ve never trusted them since…I’m not a party guy anyway…I’m less concerned about the people than I am about border security

    How about we bring home the Eight Army from South Korea and set them up along the Southern Boarder. I’ll bet they know a thing or two about border security. :twisted:

    (I’m not joking. :evil: )


  151. brookly red
    151 | January 31, 2013 4:13 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    It will not matter if the “plan” calls for border security.

    They lie.

    They are broke on their ass’s.

    The donks want the borders open.

    The liberal judges and the ACLU will sue to the end of time.

    Only way, fix the boder first, 4 to 6 years with it fixed then talk.

    Any thing else is a “con” and we do not need to me “marks” any longer.@ Carolina Girl:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/31/dhs-giving-new-immigrant-welcome-materials-a-makeover/


  152. 152 | January 31, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    If you listen to the details of Rubio’s plan, it’s a long, long, LONG road for any of those currently here illegally to even SEE the light of day for citizenship.

    Obama wants voters, not border security.


  153. 153 | January 31, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ brookly red:

    Rubio is really focused on the Visa overstay because its a huge problem in Miami. There are all these illegal Europeans and Russians in Miami that came on a visas and have stayed. The Russian mob runs the prostitute rings in Miami using East European women who overstay their visa. Rubio saw it in Miami what’s behind that. Hence why he keeps mentioning it.


  154. taxfreekiller
    154 | January 31, 2013 4:14 pm

    Two Party Evil Money Cult.

    They can not be trusted.


  155. taxfreekiller
    155 | January 31, 2013 4:15 pm

    The Democrats are lawless operation run by a cold blooded commie hate America thug.


  156. 156 | January 31, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Rubio wants to give them work permits, so they can pay taxes and Verify so the people who hire them can’t do the under the table crap. He wants heavy fines for people who hire illegals.

    But there is no PATH top get citizenship without the enforcement mechanisms first. Rubio was adamant about that.

    In all honesty, Obama is just using this issue as a club. He wants Amnesty or nothing at all.


  157. Mars
    157 | January 31, 2013 4:16 pm

    Just heard Paul Ryan say the actual numbers on how the election actually went. Now I can say that people who don’t believe this was stolen are delusional.

    500,000 vote difference over 4 states. One of which had 1.5 million illegal votes. Not to mention the widespread voter fraud in PA.

    This election was not legitimate. It was a pure 3rd world staged election.


  158. brookly red
    158 | January 31, 2013 4:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ brookly red:

    Rubio is really focused on the Visa overstay because its a huge problem in Miami. There are all these illegal Europeans and Russians in Miami that came on a visas and have stayed. The Russian mob runs the prostitute rings in Miami using East European women who overstay their visa. Rubio saw it in Miami what’s behind that. Hence why he keeps mentioning it.

    simple to fix… 1 year hard labor for every week overstayed. and hang the pimps. problem solved.


  159. lobo91
    159 | January 31, 2013 4:17 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    The Democrats are lawless operation run by a cold blooded commie hate America thug.

    You mean Valerie Jarrett?

    Obama isn’t running anything. He’s a puppet.


  160. 160 | January 31, 2013 4:17 pm

    Later, gators. All hell just broke loose. I can hear them yelling from here.


  161. Lily
    161 | January 31, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I agree about the Visa Over-stay…I can only imagine the different crime elements and human trafficking that is going on! That is another thing that isn’t mentioned much either the human trafficking that is happening and it is ugly and horrific.


  162. RIX
    162 | January 31, 2013 4:19 pm

    Did Congress really have anything to do with it? From what I could tell nope. Gotta pass it to know what’s in it..but take our word whatever is in it is good for you..so be of good cheer!!
    /sorry I don’t take people’s word for it…especially when they are trying to over-sell it…somethings wrong IMHO.@ Lily:

    It was Health & Human Services.


  163. 163 | January 31, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Obama isn’t running anything. He’s a puppet.

    Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    he’s the figurehead of the Machine. Up Next: Deval Patrick!


  164. brookly red
    164 | January 31, 2013 4:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Just heard Paul Ryan say the actual numbers on how the election actually went. Now I can say that people who don’t believe this was stolen are delusional.

    500,000 vote difference over 4 states. One of which had 1.5 million illegal votes. Not to mention the widespread voter fraud in PA.

    This election was not legitimate. It was a pure 3rd world staged election.

    Basically. That is why I don’t bother worrying about the GOP… it is a fix and until we call it just that and take steps to undo it, we have to live with it.


  165. 165 | January 31, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ Lily:

    Its nasty and I have seen first hand what is going on here in Florida. Everyone thinks the illegal mess is just Mexicans coming here to work or sell drugs. It’s more complicated than that. Yes the border has to be secured, but something has to be done about Visa overstays.


  166. Lily
    166 | January 31, 2013 4:21 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Just heard Paul Ryan say the actual numbers on how the election actually went. Now I can say that people who don’t believe this was stolen are delusional.

    500,000 vote difference over 4 states. One of which had 1.5 million illegal votes. Not to mention the widespread voter fraud in PA.

    This election was not legitimate. It was a pure 3rd world staged election.

    I said up thread that the voter fraud was apparently greater than we actually realized. I’m not surprised by this…obama is above the law in his world and apparently in our world too.


  167. 167 | January 31, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Yup, you hire an illegal, 10 years in jail.


  168. citizen_q
    168 | January 31, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Loved it, thanks.


  169. lobo91
    169 | January 31, 2013 4:24 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s a different problem, though.

    People who overstay their visas could be picked up relatively easily. We know who they are. We have their picture, fingerprints, and other biometric information. Flag them in the system, and the first time they run a stop sign you can pick them up and deport them.

    But DHS chooses not to do that.


  170. citizen_q
    170 | January 31, 2013 4:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Later, gators. All hell just broke loose. I can hear them yelling from here.

    Going in the opposite direction? /// :-)


  171. heysoos
    171 | January 31, 2013 4:24 pm

    @ Rodan:
    use a firearm to perp a felony…20 years minimum…they can build their own prisons


  172. Da_Beerfreak
    172 | January 31, 2013 4:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    TWINKIES LIVE!
    the half billion dollar recipe…
    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/01/31/hostess-picks-lead-bidders-for-twinkies-brand/?intcmp=features

    Good solid brand names never die.
    They get sold for lots of dough.


  173. Lily
    173 | January 31, 2013 4:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Its nasty and I have seen first hand what is going on here in Florida. Everyone things the illegal mess is just Mexicans coming here to work or sell drugs. It’s more complicated than that. Yes the border has to be secured, but something has to be done about Visa overstays.

    I agree it is a lot more complicated than just Mexicans coming over the border…not to mention the visa over-stays…the people who aren’t Mexican crossing over the Mexican and Canadian borders..this is a huge complicated problem that people seem to want to simplify by thinking it is just poor Mexican people who are looking for a better life here. The criminal element never, ever enters their mind.


  174. heysoos
    174 | January 31, 2013 4:26 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    I;m a Ding Dong guy myself…save me


  175. 175 | January 31, 2013 4:27 pm

    IIRC, a week or two back, Rubio said he was okay with essentially universal federal gun registration. So I really don’t give a shit what he has to say about anything else.


  176. lobo91
    176 | January 31, 2013 4:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    use a firearm to perp a felony…20 years minimum…they can build their own prisons

    Just another law the judges will ignore.

    There are already all sorts of mandatory prison sentences on the books now for committing crimes with guns. The judges let the DAs plea-bargain them down.


  177. brookly red
    177 | January 31, 2013 4:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Its nasty and I have seen first hand what is going on here in Florida. Everyone thinks the illegal mess is just Mexicans coming here to work or sell drugs. It’s more complicated than that. Yes the border has to be secured, but something has to be done about Visa overstays.

    yup same as any other crime you don’t stop armed robbery by handing out 13 month sentences. Now 15 years that starts sounding like a deterrent… oh and that is for citizens on a first offense. A foreign national overstaying a visa? can you say Mohammed Atta? string em up.


  178. lobo91
    178 | January 31, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Good solid brand names never die.
    They get sold for lots of dough.

    “Too big (and full of chemicals) to go stale”


  179. heysoos
    179 | January 31, 2013 4:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    use a firearm to perp a felony…20 years minimum…they can build their own prisons
    Just another law the judges will ignore.
    There are already all sorts of mandatory prison sentences on the books now for committing crimes with guns. The judges let the DAs plea-bargain them down.

    you have to serve time in the state you did the crime…BS, ship them out to lay blocks or pick lettuce


  180. Lily
    180 | January 31, 2013 4:30 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    I;m a Ding Dong guy myself…save me

    Well you are out of luck…no ding dongs for you…they are made by Hostess too.


  181. lobo91
    181 | January 31, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    Enforcement is a joke at this point.

    Even when a judge orders someone to be deported, all that usually happens is they hand the person a piece of paper saying they have some amount of time before they have to show up.

    Oddly enough, most never show.


  182. RIX
    182 | January 31, 2013 4:31 pm

    @ Lily:
    I think that there was voter fraud & theft in the last election.
    Democrats steal whether they need to or not.
    The sad truth is though that a majority of voters wanted Obama & his
    popularity is even greater now.


  183. brookly red
    183 | January 31, 2013 4:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Good solid brand names never die.
    They get sold for lots of dough.

    “Too big (and full of chemicals) to go stale”

    one of my favorite swamp moments was when I informed FBV that the cream in twinkies was whipped beef fat & corn syrup.


  184. heysoos
    184 | January 31, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ Lily:
    the point is, they are selling off their recipes…prepare for the Return Of The Dong


  185. lobo91
    185 | January 31, 2013 4:32 pm

    Biden Meets With Senate Dems To Rally Support For Anti-Gun Laws…

    Vice President Joe Biden is on Capitol Hill this hour to meet with Senate Democrats, and Senate aides said he was there to build support for gun legislation

    The vice president was attending the Democratic Caucus meeting.

    Armed citizens won’t allow their country to be stolen by Chicago thugs.

    They’re getting desperate.


  186. 186 | January 31, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ lobo91:

    But DHS chooses not to do that.

    There in lies the problem!


  187. brookly red
    187 | January 31, 2013 4:33 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I think that there was voter fraud & theft in the last election.
    Democrats steal whether they need to or not.
    The sad truth is though that a majority of voters wanted Obama & his
    popularity is even greater now.

    I don’t believe that, the numbers don’t add up


  188. Lily
    188 | January 31, 2013 4:35 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Its nasty and I have seen first hand what is going on here in Florida. Everyone thinks the illegal mess is just Mexicans coming here to work or sell drugs. It’s more complicated than that. Yes the border has to be secured, but something has to be done about Visa overstays.

    yup same as any other crime you don’t stop armed robbery by handing out 13 month sentences. Now 15 years that starts sounding like a deterrent… oh and that is for citizens on a first offense. A foreign national overstaying a visa? can you say Mohammed Atta? string em up.

    I don’t know…you have to understand a criminal isn’t thinking about getting caught…in fact they are sure they aren’t. So uping the sentence means nothing to them..it’ll just keep them off the street for a longer time for us. You have to remember they don’t think like “oh I better not rob that store because I might get 15 years”….they never let that get in the way. Plus then it’s cot space, cot space, cot space. Our jails and prisons are extremely crowded as is. Not to mention how long does it take before it gets to court??? Sometimes years….this is reality.


  189. lobo91
    189 | January 31, 2013 4:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    But DHS chooses not to do that.
    There in lies the problem!

    It’s no different from when Biden said that they need new gun laws, because they don’t have time to enforce the ones already on the books.


  190. Mars
    190 | January 31, 2013 4:36 pm

    My two bits on all of this.

    One, Obama did not create the machine. This is still the Tammany Hall machine running full tilt. It has never been disassembled and has been tuning itself and perfecting itself. Ask yourself, Is it a coincidence that this all came together for a Chicago candidate? No, it’s been there waiting for him. He is the one they have been waiting for.///

    Actually Obama has done really nothing. He gets up there and says what his handlers tell him. he signs what they tell him. He is a cog, and I’m sure they remind him he is easily replaced. (Of course he will never believe that with his god complex.)

    The dems have a number of similar machines operating in a few different locations around the country.

    Even Bill Clinton came out of the AK “boss machine” his mentors and replacement fathers are all parts of that machine from way back.

    (Does anyone else think it is interesting the last two dem presidents both came from essentially fatherless homes? Could it be they are seeking this type out, so they can replace the father with a “mentor” and father type figure who can adjust them into the proper form of thinking?)

    I posted a link up here a couple days ago about the Soros machine working to turn Texas blue. Too lazy to look for it right now.

    The number one problem is overstayed visas. I also believe that under the current Rubio plan that it is set up so most of the illegals with no interest in living here, will pretty much leave by themselves.

    The major penalties should always be leveled on the companies and individuals who KNOWINGLY hire illegals. They are the true criminals.


  191. lobo91
    191 | January 31, 2013 4:38 pm

    @ Lily:

    I don’t know…you have to understand a criminal isn’t thinking about getting caught…in fact they are sure they aren’t.

    I think it’s more a matter of assuming that if they do get caught, nothing significant is going to happen to them. They’ll plea-bargain down to a misdemeanor, maybe get probation or community service.

    If criminals were actually sentenced to the penalties on the books for what they did, crime would go down even more than it already has.


  192. Lily
    192 | January 31, 2013 4:39 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    the point is, they are selling off their recipes…prepare for the Return Of The Dong

    LOL! Yep your Dong will be back on the market…just hope they want to keep the original . LOL!


  193. heysoos
    193 | January 31, 2013 4:39 pm

    @ Lily:
    I disagree…criminals are consumed with the proposition of getting caught…the result is what makes them move or hesitate…the thought of incarceration to a free moving, behind the lines burglar is terrifying


  194. brookly red
    194 | January 31, 2013 4:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Its nasty and I have seen first hand what is going on here in Florida. Everyone thinks the illegal mess is just Mexicans coming here to work or sell drugs. It’s more complicated than that. Yes the border has to be secured, but something has to be done about Visa overstays.

    yup same as any other crime you don’t stop armed robbery by handing out 13 month sentences. Now 15 years that starts sounding like a deterrent… oh and that is for citizens on a first offense. A foreign national overstaying a visa? can you say Mohammed Atta? string em up.

    I don’t know…you have to understand a criminal isn’t thinking about getting caught…in fact they are sure they aren’t. So uping the sentence means nothing to them..it’ll just keep them off the street for a longer time for us. You have to remember they don’t think like “oh I better not rob that store because I might get 15 years”….they never let that get in the way. Plus then it’s cot space, cot space, cot space. Our jails and prisons are extremely crowded as is. Not to mention how long does it take before it gets to court??? Sometimes years….this is reality.

    oh really? why is the murder rate in NYC 1/3 of Chicago? 3.5 mandatory for a loaded weapon. people do consider punishment especially those who are not yet criminals.


  195. Mars
    195 | January 31, 2013 4:40 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    IIRC, a week or two back, Rubio said he was okay with essentially universal federal gun registration. So I really don’t give a shit what he has to say about anything else.

    I’ve heard that, but I also heard that he said exactly the opposite on the same day. I think the vids should be posted and then people can see what happened.

    If this is a case of saying one thing in the past and changing it now, I’m not horribly concerned. Opinions can change.

    If he did say it recently then yes, that is a problem.


  196. lobo91
    196 | January 31, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    the thought of incarceration to a free moving, behind the lines burglar is terrifying

    Or worse, getting shot by a homeowner.


  197. RIX
    197 | January 31, 2013 4:41 pm

    @ Lily:
    I think that there was voter fraud & theft in the last election.
    Democrats steal whether they need to or not.
    The sad truth is though that a majority of voters wanted Obama & his
    popularity is even greater now.brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I think that there was voter fraud & theft in the last election.
    Democrats steal whether they need to or not.
    The sad truth is though that a majority of voters wanted Obama & his
    popularity is even greater now.

    I don’t believe that, the numbers don’t add up

    I wish that I could agree with you. The Media shills for him & it works.
    Add to that he promises people your stuff.
    If you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul will not complain.


  198. brookly red
    198 | January 31, 2013 4:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I disagree…criminals are consumed with the proposition of getting caught…the result is what makes them move or hesitate…the thought of incarceration to a free moving, behind the lines burglar is terrifying

    and besides long prison terms cut down on repeat offenders. noting pisses me off more than when someone out on parole kills a cop.


  199. heysoos
    199 | January 31, 2013 4:42 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ lobo91:
    yup…there is a lot of fear and insecurity in that line of work, and I think the rush is a major factor that attracts people to stealth crimes


  200. brookly red
    200 | January 31, 2013 4:44 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    @ lobo91:
    yup…there is a lot of fear and insecurity in that line of work, and I think the rush is a major factor that attracts people to stealth crimes

    /a 70 pound pit bull can give you quite a rush :)


  201. lobo91
    201 | January 31, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ brookly red:

    and besides long prison terms cut down on repeat offenders. noting pisses me off more than when someone out on parole kills a cop.

    That’s the main reason crime has gone down over the past 20 years. Three strikes laws and mandatory minimum sentences.

    The majority of crime is committed by a relatively small number of people. If they’re locked up, crime goes down. It really is that simple.


  202. Lily
    202 | January 31, 2013 4:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I don’t know…you have to understand a criminal isn’t thinking about getting caught…in fact they are sure they aren’t.

    I think it’s more a matter of assuming that if they do get caught, nothing significant is going to happen to them. They’ll plea-bargain down to a misdemeanor, maybe get probation or community service.

    If criminals were actually sentenced to the penalties on the books for what they did, crime would go down even more than it already has.

    Maybe. But they aren’t thinking about the plea deal they will get if they get caught before the crime. There would be less crime if criminals actually thought they might get caught! Now after they get caught they might start thinking in this way..but never before the crime.


  203. Lily
    203 | January 31, 2013 4:45 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I disagree…criminals are consumed with the proposition of getting caught…the result is what makes them move or hesitate…the thought of incarceration to a free moving, behind the lines burglar is terrifying

    I disagree.


  204. 204 | January 31, 2013 4:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    IIRC, a week or two back, Rubio said he was okay with essentially universal federal gun registration. So I really don’t give a shit what he has to say about anything else.
    I’ve heard that, but I also heard that he said exactly the opposite on the same day. I think the vids should be posted and then people can see what happened.
    If this is a case of saying one thing in the past and changing it now, I’m not horribly concerned. Opinions can change.
    If he did say it recently then yes, that is a problem.

    Good point. So here’s Rubio agreeing with that sack of shit Bill O’Reilly…


  205. Lily
    205 | January 31, 2013 4:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Is there still not a murder rate in NYC? There is. So there is a portion of criminals who do not think they will get caught. Really. Sure there is the novice who thinks before he commits a crime. But there will always be crime because there always will be people who don’t think they will get caught. Not all of them but a fair amount of them. I never said you couldn’t reduce crime …I’m just saying there are a lot of criminals who don’t think they will get caught.


  206. heysoos
    206 | January 31, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ Lily:
    how many houses have you robbed?…I’ve been around crime my whole adult life…first you steal, then you lie, then you sell and all the while somebody is near you but you can’t figure it out…paranoia is a huge factor that determines success or not…loss of liberty to move through the shadow world is a huge factor


  207. Lily
    207 | January 31, 2013 4:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I disagree…criminals are consumed with the proposition of getting caught…the result is what makes them move or hesitate…the thought of incarceration to a free moving, behind the lines burglar is terrifying

    and besides long prison terms cut down on repeat offenders. noting pisses me off more than when someone out on parole kills a cop.

    You think it doesn’t piss me off? My son works in that profession! Then you need to do something about the parole boards too!


  208. RIX
    208 | January 31, 2013 4:53 pm

    Brit Hume ✔ @brithume

    It’s probably dawning on Sens. who didn’t serve w/Hagel that he’s just not very bright. Exchange w/McCain unresponsive & bumbling.
    5:26 PM -- 31 Jan 13

    That was my impression too.


  209. Lily
    209 | January 31, 2013 4:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    how many houses have you robbed?…I’ve been around crime my whole adult life…first you steal, then you lie, then you sell and all the while somebody is near you but you can’t figure it out…paranoia is a huge factor that determines success or not…loss of liberty to move through the shadow world is a huge factor

    And you can speak for all criminals? Hmmmmm? I never said there wasn’t some who didn’t think about it…you again are broad brushing as usual.


  210. heysoos
    210 | January 31, 2013 5:01 pm

    @ Lily</b
    "getting away with it" is a huge concern…once you presume you're too good to get caught, you are


  211. Mars
    211 | January 31, 2013 5:01 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    Not sure. I hate O’Reilly but that can be interpreted two different ways. Since the registration and background checks were brought up under the states rights than it would be logical to assume they mean it should be up to the states. Rubio even stresses that it is Florida law he is talking about.

    So it doesn’t seem to be universal gun registration they are talking about.

    I know WY doesn’t want registration, so they wouldn’t have it.

    But, there is the possibility they could be talking universal registration and it was put out of order intentionally.

    Two possibilities, but it looks like they are saying most gun laws should be up to the states.

    And the mandatory prison terms and federalizing gun crime aren’t that far off from what we are talking about right now.


  212. Lily
    212 | January 31, 2013 5:04 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily</b
    "getting away with it" is a huge concern…once you presume you're too good to get caught, you are

    Once you start thinking you are too good to get caught you will get caught sooner or later.
    /no need to go bold now.


  213. brookly red
    213 | January 31, 2013 5:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    and besides long prison terms cut down on repeat offenders. noting pisses me off more than when someone out on parole kills a cop.

    That’s the main reason crime has gone down over the past 20 years. Three strikes laws and mandatory minimum sentences.

    The majority of crime is committed by a relatively small number of people. If they’re locked up, crime goes down. It really is that simple.

    congress?


  214. brookly red
    214 | January 31, 2013 5:06 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Once you start thinking you are too good to get caught you will get caught sooner or later.
    /no need to go bold now.

    that is how I feel about the current administration…


  215. heysoos
    215 | January 31, 2013 5:06 pm

    @ Lily:
    bold was accidental…my point is that in terms of prevention, hard time trumps probation


  216. Mars
    216 | January 31, 2013 5:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    and besides long prison terms cut down on repeat offenders. noting pisses me off more than when someone out on parole kills a cop.
    That’s the main reason crime has gone down over the past 20 years. Three strikes laws and mandatory minimum sentences.
    The majority of crime is committed by a relatively small number of people. If they’re locked up, crime goes down. It really is that simple.

    congress?

    That would be a start. Oh and the entirety of the white house and all attached offices.


  217. Lily
    217 | January 31, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I would think congress is part of that criminal element.


  218. brookly red
    218 | January 31, 2013 5:07 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’ve been around crime my whole adult life…first you steal, then you lie, then you sell

    then you get elected…


  219. lobo91
    219 | January 31, 2013 5:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    One factor in the difference between the murder rate in Chicago and NYC is the fact that in Chicago, you probably won’t get caught.

    Nobody is ever punished for 94% of the murders in Chicago.

    With odds like that, no, criminals don’t think about punishment.


  220. heysoos
    220 | January 31, 2013 5:10 pm

    @ brookly red:
    hahaha!….indeed, I could be POTUS by that standard


  221. lobo91
    221 | January 31, 2013 5:10 pm

    @ Mars:

    O’Reilly has already said that he thinks all gun laws should be federal.


  222. Lily
    222 | January 31, 2013 5:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    bold was accidental…my point is that in terms of prevention, hard time trumps probation

    LOL! Bold accidental??? Yeah how do I know I can believe you????
    /hard time keeps the criminal behind bars of course crime will go down…my point was they aren’t thinking about getting caught and the time they will do..of course some do the whole time they are robbing a house….but once they are out and done it…after a few days they think they are in the clear. Plus I’m also thinking of a different type of criminal…all are not the same.


  223. brookly red
    223 | January 31, 2013 5:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    One factor in the difference between the murder rate in Chicago and NYC is the fact that in Chicago, you probably won’t get caught.

    Nobody is ever punished for 94% of the murders in Chicago.

    With odds like that, no, criminals don’t think about punishment.

    well most of the murders are gang related… the odds are you will get taken out by the other gang long before the cops can even fill out the paper work so the 94% thing while true is misleading


  224. Mars
    224 | January 31, 2013 5:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    bold was accidental…my point is that in terms of prevention, hard time trumps probation

    I think we can all agree with that. Penalties should be penalizing. Instead we are developing a touchy feely “rehabilitation” system were you aren’t responsible for your actions, it’s all society.

    I study criminal profiling and voraciously read everything on the subject.

    Was everyone aware that the recidivism rate is in the 80 percent region?

    If the progressives are allowed to continue this is our future.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/24/world/europe/norway-prison-bastoy-nicest/index.html

    Oh and not mentioned by this article. After release from this spa, the felons have their entire lives paid for by the government for a full year after release while they work a job given to them by the government.


  225. lobo91
    225 | January 31, 2013 5:14 pm

    @ Mars:

    The average person who’s convicted of a crime has committed several hundred other crimes they weren’t charged with.


  226. brookly red
    226 | January 31, 2013 5:14 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Was everyone aware that the recidivism rate is in the 80 percent region?

    don’t blame me I voted for term limits…


  227. heysoos
    227 | January 31, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ Lily:
    I enjoy you’re soccer mom insights to criminal behavior


  228. Mars
    228 | January 31, 2013 5:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    O’Reilly has already said that he thinks all gun laws should be federal.

    But the talking point says the complete opposite. He only says that gun crimes should be federal. He says all gun restrictions should be up to the states.

    Not defending the asshat, just relating exactly what was said in that clip.


  229. Mars
    229 | January 31, 2013 5:17 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Yep.
    @ brookly red:
    Yeah, career criminals in prison and congress, go figure.


  230. lobo91
    230 | January 31, 2013 5:17 pm

    @ Mars:

    As long as the judges and prosecutors ignore the laws, does it really matter whether they’re state or federal laws?


  231. Lily
    231 | January 31, 2013 5:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    One factor in the difference between the murder rate in Chicago and NYC is the fact that in Chicago, you probably won’t get caught.
    Nobody is ever punished for 94% of the murders in Chicago.
    With odds like that, no, criminals don’t think about punishment.

    I agree…not saying that you can’t reduce crime..just talking about the mentality of SOME criminals.


  232. brookly red
    232 | January 31, 2013 5:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:

    The average person who’s convicted of a crime has committed several hundred other crimes they weren’t charged with.

    OK… a few years back I was robbed at gun point. I went to the station and positively ID’ed the guy from his previous arrest photo (he was 18). The detective said they knew the guy and would pick him up.

    2 days later I get a call from the detective, “we found him”, so I say OK you want me to ID him? the detective says nawww, it’s OK we found him and his cousin shot to shit in the park… you can see it on the news if you want.


  233. brookly red
    233 | January 31, 2013 5:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:

    As long as the judges and prosecutors ignore the laws, does it really matter whether they’re state or federal laws?

    /Does it Matter? Hillary in 2016!


  234. Calo
    234 | January 31, 2013 5:24 pm

    @ heysoos:
    :shock:


  235. Mars
    235 | January 31, 2013 5:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    As long as the judges and prosecutors ignore the laws, does it really matter whether they’re state or federal laws?

    That is very true.


  236. brookly red
    236 | January 31, 2013 5:29 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I enjoy you’re soccer mom insights to criminal behavior

    easy guy, easy.


  237. Lily
    237 | January 31, 2013 5:30 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I enjoy you’re soccer mom insights to criminal behavior

    Oh you did not just say that????
    /LOL!! I’m not completely stupid now heysoos.


  238. yenta-fada
    238 | January 31, 2013 5:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ Lily:
    I enjoy you’re soccer mom insights to criminal behavior
    Oh you did not just say that????
    /LOL!! I’m not completely stupid now heysoos.

    Blog seems to have just one criminal who brags about it….


  239. yenta-fada
    239 | January 31, 2013 5:33 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Thunderdome strategy replaces the thunder-thighs strategy, now that Hillary Clinton has left the Administration.
    /isn’t thunder thighs the secret service code for Moochelle?

    I prefer First Clydesdale.


  240. brookly red
    240 | January 31, 2013 5:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:

    As long as the judges and prosecutors ignore the laws, does it really matter whether they’re state or federal laws?

    that is the problem and not just for street crime, for our gubermit too. we need to as a people demand justice and unfortunately we have very few avenues left to do so.


  241. Lily
    241 | January 31, 2013 5:34 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    He thinks I’m dumb…. came through loud and clear.
    /oh well I’ll remember that another day.. for sure. ;)


  242. Lily
    242 | January 31, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Well said…one shouldn’t brag about ones crimes..and hence in the process of making my point.
    *go boom* on the hey…..


  243. Da_Beerfreak
    243 | January 31, 2013 5:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:

    O’Reilly has already said that he thinks all gun laws should be federal.

    That would be a total infringement on the part of the Federal Government on the Second Amendment. The U.S.Constitution doesn’t give the Federal Government police powers except for Treason, Counterfeiting, and Piracy.


  244. 244 | January 31, 2013 5:39 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    That is not what Rubio was talking about. He was discussing Florida’s law. O’Reilly mentioned registering, but that’s not what Rubio was agreeing with.

    Rubio was talking about state laws.


  245. yenta-fada
    245 | January 31, 2013 5:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Well said…one shouldn’t brag about ones crimes..and hence in the process of making my point.
    *go boom* on the hey…..

    Don’t be messing with the wimmins here. :-)


  246. Lily
    246 | January 31, 2013 5:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    The average person who’s convicted of a crime has committed several hundred other crimes they weren’t charged with.
    OK… a few years back I was robbed at gun point. I went to the station and positively ID’ed the guy from his previous arrest photo (he was 18). The detective said they knew the guy and would pick him up.
    2 days later I get a call from the detective, “we found him”, so I say OK you want me to ID him? the detective says nawww, it’s OK we found him and his cousin shot to shit in the park… you can see it on the news if you want.

    The circle of life on that one.


  247. brookly red
    247 | January 31, 2013 5:40 pm

    you get an interesting perspective on crime when you live in a big city… it is kinda awkward to have to tell your date her kid just robbed you in the lobby.


  248. heysoos
    248 | January 31, 2013 5:40 pm

    @ Lily:
    no you are not stupid and I didn’t mean to imply it…you are probably a nice person who obeys the law…I wasn’t, I was a bad person that broke the law…I stole from people like you, broke in and took what I wanted, maybe five times…and I can tell you I was scared as hell to get caught…this is white suburbia, not drive by Compton…I’m only expressing what I know….the original post was about stealth crime, fencing etc, not gang banging…and in all the decades since I’ve been trying to make amends with food banks, the homeless, kids in the burn unit and old folks that are cooped up…I’ve given back 100 times what I took but it’s never enough…I was a bad guy, the one you shoot when he’s creeping about


  249. 249 | January 31, 2013 5:41 pm

    Let me see if I get this. Strangle somebody with your bare hands, chop them up with an axe, bludgeon them to death with a baseball bat, or just knife them to death, and that’s a state matter. Kill them with a gun of some sort, and that should be a federal matter.

    Would anybody care to lay out a logical trail of legal reasoning why that should be so? Please cite constitutional arguments.

    Federal control of education has worked out so well, this one should be easy to justify…


  250. 250 | January 31, 2013 5:41 pm

    @ Mars:

    I agree with you and I saw that clip. You know I have taken Rubio to task over his support of the Muslim Brotherhood. But he was not discussing any federal law.

    Funny how these “Conservatives” who get mad at Rubio don’t say shit when he wants to Nation Build and support the Muslim Brotherhood. Funny, isn’t it?


  251. Lily
    251 | January 31, 2013 5:41 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Well said…one shouldn’t brag about ones crimes..and hence in the process of making my point.
    *go boom* on the hey…..
    Don’t be messing with the wimmins here.

    LOL! No…but then again I’m in a fairly good mood today! ;)


  252. 252 | January 31, 2013 5:42 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Do you get mad when Rubio calls for arming al-Qaeda in Syria? Or that’s cool with you?


  253. yenta-fada
    253 | January 31, 2013 5:43 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    you get an interesting perspective on crime when you live in a big city… it is kinda awkward to have to tell your date her kid just robbed you in the lobby.


  254. brookly red
    254 | January 31, 2013 5:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Mars:
    The average person who’s convicted of a crime has committed several hundred other crimes they weren’t charged with.
    OK… a few years back I was robbed at gun point. I went to the station and positively ID’ed the guy from his previous arrest photo (he was 18). The detective said they knew the guy and would pick him up.
    2 days later I get a call from the detective, “we found him”, so I say OK you want me to ID him? the detective says nawww, it’s OK we found him and his cousin shot to shit in the park… you can see it on the news if you want.

    The circle of life on that one.

    gets better… the guy who shot him got shanked in Rikers. That is why the arrest/conviction stats are so misleading. The criminals also kill each other same as in Syria


  255. yenta-fada
    255 | January 31, 2013 5:44 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m glad to hear you are feeling better. I’m in a pissy mood. Can you tell? lol


  256. 256 | January 31, 2013 5:44 pm

    New Thread.


  257. Mars
    257 | January 31, 2013 5:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    That is not what Rubio was talking about. He was discussing Florida’s law. O’Reilly mentioned registering, but that’s not what Rubio was agreeing with.
    Rubio was talking about state laws.

    Both Rubio and Dipstick referred to registration, but only as it applied as state law.


  258. Lily
    258 | January 31, 2013 5:47 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Hey …. the type of criminal I was trying to describe was not the ones like you. Who are scared and desperate enough to break-in to people’s homes to get money. I’m talking about a whole different type of criminal who thinks he’s above it all…obama is like that.
    /no really a different type of criminal…not all criminals are the same is what I’m trying to get across.
    And correction…my sons didn’t play soccor…they played baseball so I always had a bat on hand for any type of criminal. Just sayin.


  259. citizen_q
    259 | January 31, 2013 5:47 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I think I have led a sheltered life.


  260. Lily
    260 | January 31, 2013 5:48 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’m glad to hear you are feeling better. I’m in a pissy mood. Can you tell? lol

    Oh I know the feeling…one thing for sure it’ll pass in time. ;)


  261. lobo91
    261 | January 31, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    That would be a total infringement on the part of the Federal Government on the Second Amendment. The U.S.Constitution doesn’t give the Federal Government police powers except for Treason, Counterfeiting, and Piracy.

    And if we were actually still operating under our Constitution, that would be an issue.
    //


  262. heysoos
    262 | January 31, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ Lily:
    I pointed out earlier we are talking two different sorts of criminals


  263. Lily
    263 | January 31, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Yep…


  264. Lily
    264 | January 31, 2013 5:50 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Missed it. Sorry. Didn’t see that comment.


  265. Mars
    265 | January 31, 2013 5:50 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Let me see if I get this. Strangle somebody with your bare hands, chop them up with an axe, bludgeon them to death with a baseball bat, or just knife them to death, and that’s a state matter. Kill them with a gun of some sort, and that should be a federal matter.
    Would anybody care to lay out a logical trail of legal reasoning why that should be so? Please cite constitutional arguments.
    Federal control of education has worked out so well, this one should be easy to justify…

    You’re not wrong. It’s a stupid distinction but then again is it really a surprise.

    I once heard a saying that “all crime is local”. Unless it directly intrudes on government duties or is carried on in multiple states, then the feds can just go away.

    Serial killings is one area where the feds should be heavily involved do to the multi-state aspect in many of them, but they are still operating in the dark ages on that one. The feds refusal to institute John Douglas’s suggestions back in the 70′s was a massive failure.

    Gee, all crime is local, all politics are local. A connection?


  266. 266 | January 31, 2013 5:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Do you get mad when Rubio calls for arming al-Qaeda in Syria? Or that’s cool with you?

    How fast can you build those strawmen, anyway? Is there some sort of Guinness record you’re shooting for?

    As to your previous comment that was at least close to my point here, perhaps you are not aware that that Rubio-O’Reilly interview was conducted in a rather significant current debate on FEDERAL gun control measures. Try reading a news site once in a while -- it’s been somewhat covered. I believe there was something on the news about it just yesterday…


  267. Da_Beerfreak
    267 | January 31, 2013 5:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    That would be a total infringement on the part of the Federal Government on the Second Amendment. The U.S.Constitution doesn’t give the Federal Government police powers except for Treason, Counterfeiting, and Piracy.

    And if we were actually still operating under our Constitution, that would be an issue.
    //

    I know, it’s a dead letter to too many people now days. But one has to keep trying…


  268. Mars
    268 | January 31, 2013 5:56 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mike C.:
    Do you get mad when Rubio calls for arming al-Qaeda in Syria? Or that’s cool with you?
    How fast can you build those strawmen, anyway? Is there some sort of Guinness record you’re shooting for?
    As to your previous comment that was at least close to my point here, perhaps you are not aware that that Rubio-O’Reilly interview was conducted in a rather significant current debate on FEDERAL gun control measures. Try reading a news site once in a while — it’s been somewhat covered. I believe there was something on the news about it just yesterday…

    So the external context changes what is actually said in an interview? I find that interesting.

    Kind getting annoyed at having to defend someone I loathe here.


  269. Mars
    269 | January 31, 2013 6:03 pm

    @ Mars:
    Just to be clear I am referring to O’Reilly. There are not many I loathe on this forum. (though I can name about three or four).


  270. 270 | January 31, 2013 6:06 pm

    @ Mars:

    Does context matter? Why yes, it usually does. Example -- why is it important to understand the Third Amendment? Better known as “the vestigal appendix of the Bill of Rights”.


  271. Lily
    271 | January 31, 2013 6:07 pm

    @ Mars:

    Oh dear …I hope I haven’t offended you! :)


  272. Lily
    272 | January 31, 2013 6:08 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I’m with you still sticking to the constitution…got to keep believing.


  273. Da_Beerfreak
    273 | January 31, 2013 6:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I’m with you still sticking to the constitution…got to keep believing.

    It gets really lonely at times….


  274. Mars
    274 | January 31, 2013 6:11 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Does context matter? Why yes, it usually does. Example — why is it important to understand the Third Amendment? Better known as “the vestigal appendix of the Bill of Rights”.

    In this case you are blatantly reading things into the interview that aren’t there.

    You know what I meant by context, you are just out to prove your point no matter how far you have to twist things to make it happen.

    Not sure why this one is stuck in your craw, but there are far more egregious examples out there you could hang your hat on. Other than wanting to federalize gun crime, there isn’t really anything outside confirming states rights here. (Though I would argue that registration is not a good move at any level.)


  275. Mars
    275 | January 31, 2013 6:12 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Oh dear …I hope I haven’t offended you!

    Nope. Only our resident trolls do.


  276. Lily
    276 | January 31, 2013 6:19 pm

    @ Mars:

    :)


  277. Lily
    277 | January 31, 2013 6:20 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Yes it does. :)


  278. 278 | January 31, 2013 6:21 pm

    @ Mars:

    I would agree tha registration is not good at any level. Federalization of selct types of murder, however, actually is a biggie. As I asked earlier, why? And under what legal justification? VA just recently BARELY beat back a ruling by the feds (EPA) to declare rain runoff as pollution, subject to federal control. And they don’t mean control over the state, they mean control over YOU, individually.

    O’Reilly mentioned registration in that interview, and Rubio said he had no problem with that. Well I have a fucking problem with that. A big one. Registration preceded every famous complete ban and the horrors that followed, as has been posted on this blog any number of times. Shredding the 10th is just a little sideshow here, as it’s pretty well already beat to death.

    Sorry if all this constitutional federalism is bringing you down…


  279. Mars
    279 | January 31, 2013 7:01 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I would agree tha registration is not good at any level. Federalization of selct types of murder, however, actually is a biggie. As I asked earlier, why? And under what legal justification? VA just recently BARELY beat back a ruling by the feds (EPA) to declare rain runoff as pollution, subject to federal control. And they don’t mean control over the state, they mean control over YOU, individually.
    O’Reilly mentioned registration in that interview, and Rubio said he had no problem with that. Well I have a fucking problem with that. A big one. Registration preceded every famous complete ban and the horrors that followed, as has been posted on this blog any number of times. Shredding the 10th is just a little sideshow here, as it’s pretty well already beat to death.
    Sorry if all this constitutional federalism is bringing you down…

    It’s not in the least. It’s just that you are once again saying things that weren’t said there. I already agreed that federalizing crime is an atrocity on many levels. And as I said before I don’t agree with registration, but they never called for national registration, they SPECIFICALLY referred to registration at the state level. Which I also oppose, but which completely contradicts your accusations of universal registration.


  280. 280 | January 31, 2013 10:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MikeA:

    Hillary yuck!

    And I thought the Secret Service would have saddled her with the call sign “Carpet Muncher”!


  281. 281 | January 31, 2013 11:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The political equivalent of covering your ears and screaming “I can’t hear you!”:
    GDP Shows Negative Growth In First Quarter, Jobless Claims Spike . . . Harry Reid’s Response: “We Are In A Recovery,” Don’t “Bad Mouth It”…
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday said the American economy is “in a recovery” despite the decline in the nation’s gross domestic product (GDP).
    Reid made the remark after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) blamed the White House for the unexpected contraction in the economy.
    “[McConnell] continues bad mouthing the recovery,” Reid said on the Senate floor. “We are in a recovery.”
    When the figures from next quarter show the same thing, they’ll just redefine “recovery.”

    The “Great Recession”? HELL NO! It’s the second Great Depression -- this time in living color!


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