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The policy choices on dealing with Syria are bad, bad, and worse

by Speranza ( 207 Comments › )
Filed under Al Qaeda, Islamists, Israel, Lebanon, Syria at February 1st, 2013 - 2:00 pm

All sides in Syria are monstrous and it is in our interests that this war go on and on. With Kerry, Brennan and Hagel leading the way, I expect us to make the wrong choices.

by Herb Keinon and Hilary Leila Krieger

The policy choices available for dealing with Syria “are between bad, bad, and worse,” Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu told a three-member bipartisan Congressional delegation on Monday, amid heightened concern over the fate of Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons.

The first problem in looking at Syria, Netanyahu told the congressmen from the House Armed Services Committee, is the issue of chemical weapons, which he said was foremost on everyone’s minds.

The larger issues, he said, were what will happen to the regime, what sort of regime will follow and whether Syria will develop into another failed state.At the outset of the meeting with the delegation, led by Rob Wittman (R-Virginia), Netanyahu praised the close cooperation between Israel and the US on all matters, “including the developing matters in Syria.”He spoke of “very close cooperation between our two governments,” and said this was “important for the stability of the region” as well as “for the security of Israel.”The other two congressmen in the delegation were Ted Poe (R-Texas), and Hank Johnson (D-Georgia).
Netanyahu’s comments about the tight US-Israel cooperation regarding Syria were echoed by US Ambassador Dan Shapiro, who said in an Israel Radio interview that there was continuous dialogue and coordination between the two countries, at the highest levels, to deal with the region’s security challenges.

“There are two dangerous possibilities regarding Syria,” Shapiro said. “Either the regime will use chemical weapons against the Syrian people, or will transfer the chemical weapons to Hezbollah or other extreme organizations. [.......]”

Home Front Defense Minister Avi Dichter, who characterized Syria as a chemical weapons superpower, said Israel was monitoring the situation to understand with as much specificity as possible what was happening to the country’s chemical weapons arsenal.  [.......]

Dichter said the unpredictability now in Syria was making the situation more complicated, as was the lack of clarity regarding who was in control, and even whether loyalists of President Bashar Assad would listen to him, or perhaps take a more extreme view than he does.

In a related development, Ma’ariv reported on Monday that Netanyahu had dispatched his national security advisor Yaakov Amidror to Moscow for meetings there on the chemical weapons issue.  [.......]

Amidror was making his way to the country as Russia held its largest ever naval maneuvers in the eastern Mediterranean, off the coasts of Syria, in what is seen as a clear message to Western powers that it would not tolerate a forceful intervention by NATO in the country.

In an interview with The New Republic published on Monday, US President Barack Obama spoke about his struggle over how to respond to the ongoing violence in Syria.

“I am more mindful probably than most of not only our incredible strengths and capabilities, but also our limitations,” Obama noted. “In a situation like Syria, I have to ask, can we make a difference in that situation?” He went on to pose a question about whether such intervention would have an impact in that country, but also on the US ability to support troops in Afghanistan and whether American action would trigger even worse violence or the use of chemical weapons.

Obama also asked, “How do I weigh tens of thousands who’ve been killed in Syria versus the tens of thousands who are currently being killed in the Congo?” [......]

“You make the decisions you think balance all these equities, and you hope that, at the end of your presidency, you can look back and say, I made more right calls than not and that I saved lives where I could.”

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  1. 1 | February 1, 2013 2:09 pm

    best thing to do, stay out of it.


  2. heysoos
    2 | February 1, 2013 2:13 pm

    BO was asked how he’d respond….
    double blather forked speak, iow no answer…
    he’s waaay over his head


  3. buzzsawmonkey
    3 | February 1, 2013 2:17 pm

    The US needs to adopt the Sambo Solution: let the tigers chase each other around the tree until they all turn to butter.


  4. 4 | February 1, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s my stance.


  5. darkwords
    5 | February 1, 2013 2:28 pm

    Build a power reach base in Israel, use it to leverage the arab spring. But that is too creative for an institution.


  6. 6 | February 1, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ heysoos:

    He should be honest and say its not our concern.


  7. AZfederalist
    7 | February 1, 2013 2:33 pm

    The other two congressmen in the delegation were Ted Poe (R-Texas), and Hank Johnson (D-Georgia).

    Took the brain trust with them, did they? Did Johnson ask if there was a danger of Israel slipping into the Mediterranean Sea if they had too many tanks and people?


  8. heysoos
    8 | February 1, 2013 2:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    He should be honest and say its not our concern.

    he could have padded his chemical ‘red line’ thing but I honestly don’t think he’s even committed to that angle…it’s not about Syria or Israel or anybody else…it’s about himself


  9. 9 | February 1, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ heysoos:

    He thinks he is god.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | February 1, 2013 2:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    He thinks he is god.

    given the way his followers view him, is he wrong?


  11. heysoos
    11 | February 1, 2013 2:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    He thinks he is god.

    due to all of his interconnected policy failures, he’s probably afraid to say anything….he’s lost, his foreign affairs in shambles and I think he knows it, the fakery cannot go on forever


  12. RIX
    12 | February 1, 2013 2:51 pm

    The first question should always be, “Do we have a national interest?”
    Ignoring that principal got us into the Balkans.


  13. 13 | February 1, 2013 2:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    given the way his followers view him, is he wrong?

    Nope, If I had a media that fawns over me, heck I would think I was a deity.


  14. buzzsawmonkey
    14 | February 1, 2013 2:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    due to all of his interconnected policy failures, he’s probably afraid to say anything….he’s lost, his foreign affairs in shambles and I think he knows it, the fakery cannot go on forever

    Who says Obama thinks his foreign policy is in shambles? I have no doubt he’s proud of it; the only failures thus far, in his eyes, is that Israel is still standing and the Iranians don’t yet have the bomb.


  15. 15 | February 1, 2013 2:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The first question should always be, “Do we have a national interest?”
    Ignoring that principal got us into the Balkans.

    Yup and Libya and you can argue Iraq as well. As for Syria, no way. Let them kill each other.


  16. heysoos
    16 | February 1, 2013 2:52 pm

    this is where BO’s true strength lies….
    http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/nutrition/280613-soda-candy-out-under-proposed-school-snack-rules


  17. Lily
    17 | February 1, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ heysoos:

    He doesn’t know it…obama doesn’t care. As far as foreign policies being in shambles that’s a plus in his opinion.


  18. 18 | February 1, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He wants Israel and Iran to destroy each other. They are both White nations in his mind. He wants his Black Arab brothers to rule the Mideast.


  19. Lily
    19 | February 1, 2013 2:54 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    due to all of his interconnected policy failures, he’s probably afraid to say anything….he’s lost, his foreign affairs in shambles and I think he knows it, the fakery cannot go on forever
    Who says Obama thinks his foreign policy is in shambles? I have no doubt he’s proud of it; the only failures thus far, in his eyes, is that Israel is still standing and the Iranians don’t yet have the bomb.

    Bingo!


  20. heysoos
    20 | February 1, 2013 2:54 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    due to all of his interconnected policy failures, he’s probably afraid to say anything….he’s lost, his foreign affairs in shambles and I think he knows it, the fakery cannot go on forever
    Who says Obama thinks his foreign policy is in shambles? I have no doubt he’s proud of it; the only failures thus far, in his eyes, is that Israel is still standing and the Iranians don’t yet have the bomb.

    maybe you have just described his downfall


  21. Lily
    21 | February 1, 2013 2:57 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    due to all of his interconnected policy failures, he’s probably afraid to say anything….he’s lost, his foreign affairs in shambles and I think he knows it, the fakery cannot go on forever
    Who says Obama thinks his foreign policy is in shambles? I have no doubt he’s proud of it; the only failures thus far, in his eyes, is that Israel is still standing and the Iranians don’t yet have the bomb.
    maybe you have just described his downfall

    If that were so Benghazi would have hurt him..it didn’t. So no this isn’t going to hurt him in the least.


  22. RIX
    22 | February 1, 2013 2:58 pm

    By the way, we are feeling pretty smug in Illinois right now.
    Former Governor Ryan got out of the slam yesterday.
    That means that only former Governor Blago is still in
    the joint!
    That’s half as many Governors!


  23. Lily
    23 | February 1, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ RIX:

    It’s party time!!!!!! ;)


  24. buzzsawmonkey
    24 | February 1, 2013 2:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He wants Israel and Iran to destroy each other. They are both White nations in his mind. He wants his Black Arab brothers to rule the Mideast.

    Perhaps. I think the answer is simpler; the Left—particularly the Left/separatist wing of the Civil Rights Movement—has been pro-”Palestinian” for years. The leftist/separatist/Islamist wing of the Civil Rights Movement cozied up to the PLO when it was formed in 1964—before any “occupation” from the 1967 war. That wing of the movement has viewed Israel as a “colonialist entity” for almost half a century, and it is that wing—that ideology—that Obama was marinated in for his entire life. To show how powerfully that line has been absorbed within the black community, even Condoleezza Rice, ostensibly conservative, compared “Palestinian” children to the four girls killed in the Birmingham bombing.

    Obama’s ideology is stronger. Whether he views Iran as “white” or not, he wants the “colonialist” entity of Israel destroyed. It is his posthumous sacrifice on the altar of his father; it is what he feels will justify his unearned Peace Prize.


  25. 25 | February 1, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Lily:

    He has the Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex behind him.


  26. citizen_q
    26 | February 1, 2013 3:01 pm

    CW I’m a birder. I saw this article and thought you might find it interesting. The Study was done at Johns Hopkins and cites dangers of whiplash or Chiropractic adjustments causing vascular damage that might result in clots that could break free or embolism. Hopefully it is not old news to you.

    Owl Mystery Unravelled: Scientists Explain How Bird Can Rotate Its Head Without Cutting Off Blood Supply to Brain


  27. RIX
    27 | February 1, 2013 3:03 pm

    If that were so Benghazi would have hurt him..it didn’t. So no this isn’t going to hurt him in the least.
    @ Lily:

    That’s right it was not Obamas fault.
    It was because of the the Republicans, or Hurricane Sandy,
    or ATM’s or something.


  28. Lily
    28 | February 1, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Indeed he does and they are on overdrive in defending him…which is odd that the peeps don’t notice this…a lot do…but a lot don’t too.


  29. Speranza
    29 | February 1, 2013 3:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    best thing to do, stay out of it.

    Stay the hell out of it!


  30. Lily
    30 | February 1, 2013 3:07 pm

    RIX wrote:

    If that were so Benghazi would have hurt him..it didn’t. So no this isn’t going to hurt him in the least.
    @ Lily:
    That’s right it was not Obamas fault.
    It was because of the the Republicans, or Hurricane Sandy,
    or ATM’s or something.

    Or cattle guards! Hell nothing is obama’s fault! He even gets a peace prize for just getting elected! How the heck you do that is anyone’s guess. But when it comes to obama if you are thinking he is normal then think again..he isn’t. No rules apply to him, no laws apply to him and he gets away with everything. Nothing sticks. You would think everyday before dressing he is hosed down with non-stick spray!


  31. 31 | February 1, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I agree with you. But I think in his mind, if White Persians get killed, its a plus!


  32. 32 | February 1, 2013 3:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Indeed he does and they are on overdrive in defending him…which is odd that the peeps don’t notice this…a lot do…but a lot don’t too.

    Look at when the GDP number came out. Despite it being a contraction, the media said it was awesome.


  33. buzzsawmonkey
    33 | February 1, 2013 3:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I agree with you. But I think in his mind, if White Persians get killed, its a plus!

    That’s a funny way to spell “Persons.”


  34. buzzsawmonkey
    34 | February 1, 2013 3:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Despite it being a contraction, the media said it was awesome.

    That’s because if you shove the coal Obama won’t let powerplants use up into the contraction, you’ll get diamonds.


  35. Lily
    35 | February 1, 2013 3:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Indeed he does and they are on overdrive in defending him…which is odd that the peeps don’t notice this…a lot do…but a lot don’t too.
    Look at when the GDP number came out. Despite it being a contraction, the media said it was awesome.

    With obama and the media…everything is just awesome when it comes to obama according to the media. He does nothing wrong…in fact he walks on water they just haven’t been able to get a pic of him doing that yet..but in due time, due time.


  36. Lily
    36 | February 1, 2013 3:12 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    I agree with you. But I think in his mind, if White Persians get killed, its a plus!
    That’s a funny way to spell “Persons.”

    Eh! Good one.


  37. buzzsawmonkey
    37 | February 1, 2013 3:12 pm

    Lily wrote:

    everything is just awesome when it comes to obama according to the media.

    When it comes to Obama, the media are like that old coot in Futurama who always announces some new disaster by saying, “Good news, everyone!”


  38. coldwarrior
    38 | February 1, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    the anatomy and physiology described makes sense. blood flow to the head has to have enough 02 to work the brain and no clots. the owl has found a way to do just that while having a 270degree rotation. the expanded size of the transverse foramin then allows for ‘slack’ so the vessels can do their job during head rotation.

    pretty slick if ya ax me.


  39. Lily
    39 | February 1, 2013 3:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    everything is just awesome when it comes to obama according to the media.
    When it comes to Obama, the media are like that old coot in Futurama who always announces some new disaster by saying, “Good news, everyone!”

    Yep..we are living in a cartoon now? I thought a Twilight Zone episode ..but after learning schools are going to stop teaching cursive writing yesterday…I now conclude it’s a cartoon and not a very funny one either.


  40. 40 | February 1, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ Lily:

    It’s really scary and I do feel as if I live in a dictatorship.


  41. 41 | February 1, 2013 3:17 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    :lol:


  42. 42 | February 1, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    :lol:


  43. citizen_q
    43 | February 1, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Great! Glad you found it interesting.


  44. Lily
    44 | February 1, 2013 3:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s really scary and I do feel as if I live in a dictatorship.

    It is scary…but I don’t think we are at the dictatorship quite yet…but we may be in that inbetween space of freedom and non-freedom which is why it feels so wrong and awful and like an evil cloud is hanging over our country. We can only pray and hope we don’t keep moving forward to the next square of dictartorship…but with obama in office everything is really hard to predict to be honest. Normally it isn’t this hard to have some idea politically how things are going to turn..with obama you can’t predict what’s next. Who would have thought Benghazi would not have brought him down?? That’s a real head kicker there!


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | February 1, 2013 3:23 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Great! Glad you found it interesting.

    now to adapt this to stroke prevention in humans….

    BWAHAHAHAAAA!!!!


  46. lobo91
    46 | February 1, 2013 3:24 pm

    And this is something Obama considers a great success:

    Thousands Storm The Presidential Palace In Egypt

    Opponents of Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi battled security forces near his palace in Cairo and the Islamist leader warned them to withdraw, as the clashes threatened a day-old agreement to end a wave of violence.

    Protesters threw Molotov cocktails at the palace walls, while security forces fired tear gas and water cannons to keep them away. At least 48 people received medical attention at the scene, mostly as a result of the gas, Mohammed Sultan, head of the ambulance service, said by phone. Mursi said demonstrators breached the compound, and urged opposition groups that organized the rallies to call them off.

    “The political powers that might have participated in urging this on hold full political responsibility,” Mursi said on the presidency’s Facebook page. “We call on the national powers to condemn these actions and to call their supporters to leave the palace area immediately.” He said security forces will act “firmly to apply the law.”

    //”Meet the new boss…same as the old boss”


  47. citizen_q
    47 | February 1, 2013 3:25 pm

    Bite-me biden has some competition

    Kerry: Obama Offered Me the Job a Week Before Susan Rice Pulled Out

    “He called me, actually a week before Susan got out of the thing,” Kerry tells the Boston Globe. “He called me and said, ‘You’re my choice. I want you to do this.’ He asked me to keep it quiet. I did. I sat on it.”

    At the time, Rice pulling out of the running for the top State Department job suggested that the position had simply fallen to Kerry, who had been in a neck-and-neck competition for the job. Now it seems that the White House allowed Susan Rice, the ambassador to the United Nations, to publicly save face by publicly withdrawing from a job that was never going to be offered to her in the first place.


  48. RIX
    48 | February 1, 2013 3:26 pm

    Or cattle guards! Hell nothing is obama’s fault! He even gets a peace prize for just getting elected! How the heck you do that is anyone’s guess. But when it comes to obama if you are thinking he is normal then think again..he isn’t. No rules apply to him, no laws apply to him and he gets away with everything. Nothing sticks. You would think everyday before dressing he is hosed down with non-stick spray!@ Lily:

    There are different rules for Obama because of his fabulousness.
    We have an economic contraction & the MSM calls it a good one.
    That would be like being a tall midget.


  49. Lily
    49 | February 1, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well this is what obama wanted now didn’t he? Oh wait the muslim brotherhood was taken off the terrorist watch list under him now didn’t it?
    If it’s bad it’s good, and if it’s good it’s bad under obama. I can at least predict that.


  50. Lily
    50 | February 1, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ RIX:

    It really is unreal with obama. Totally surreal..but yet actually happening.


  51. 51 | February 1, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ Lily:

    It’s not a dictatorship in the sense of total political control. But the Progressive have a defacto dictatorship since they control the media, entertainment industry and academia. They have a cultural dictatorship. It has become socially unacceptable in parts of the country and with some groups to oppose Obama. It’s a ridicule based dictatorship.


  52. lobo91
    52 | February 1, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ RIX:

    There are different rules for Obama because of his fabulousness.
    We have an economic contraction & the MSM calls it a good one.
    That would be like being a tall midget.

    Why not? He takes credit for reducing foreign oil imports, even though it’s actually the result of people not having the money to buy gas.


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | February 1, 2013 3:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    There are different rules for Obama because of his fabulousness.

    There are different rules for Obama because of his fabulousness he is a racial hire.


  54. citizen_q
    54 | February 1, 2013 3:31 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I am sure the F16s and Abrams tanks we are gifting the koranimals will fix everything. I suggest we piss away another few billion dollars we don’t have to them as well.

    /


  55. heysoos
    55 | February 1, 2013 3:31 pm

    Rick Perry takes a backhanded swipe at BO
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/01/Rick-Perry-Without-Texas-Country-s-Economy-In-Trouble


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | February 1, 2013 3:32 pm

    RAY LEWIS!!!!

    makes the front page in new zealand!

    RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!! RAY LEWIS!!!!


  57. RIX
    57 | February 1, 2013 3:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    It really is unreal with obama. Totally surreal..but yet actually happening.

    It’s cult like.
    A good example is Chris Matthews & his man crush.
    Somebody said that Matthews wants to have his baby.
    I wish that I would have thought of that.


  58. Lily
    58 | February 1, 2013 3:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s not a dictatorship in the sense of total political control. But the Progressive have a defacto dictatorship since they control the media, entertainment industry and academia. They have a cultural dictatorship. It has become socially unacceptable in parts of the country and with some groups to oppose Obama. It’s a ridicule based dictatorship.

    And that is what I call that place in between freedom and non-freedom…not completely a dictatorship but it has already captured certain areas of our culture. You just discribed that in-between spot.
    The question this year what will our people do now? Nothing? Something? Right now I don’t know and apparently for a while now I haven’t known because obama is about as predictable as a tornado. All you can say for sure is there will be damage in it’s wake.


  59. Lily
    59 | February 1, 2013 3:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    It really is unreal with obama. Totally surreal..but yet actually happening.
    It’s cult like.
    A good example is Chris Matthews & his man crush.
    Somebody said that Matthews wants to have his baby.
    I wish that I would have thought of that.

    Most men would be embarrased about this man-love these men have for obama….not today and not with obama. Weird.


  60. buzzsawmonkey
    60 | February 1, 2013 3:38 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Kerry: Obama Offered Me the Job a Week Before Susan Rice Pulled Out

    In other words, Rice was a false-flag feint in order to continue the “racist, sexist, war-on-women” anti-Republican meme, and keep it going after the election was over.


  61. 61 | February 1, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    This is funny!

    Lewis the orator

    “No Weapon formed against us shall prosper!”


  62. 62 | February 1, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yup, Me and Speranza have suspected that was all about.


  63. heysoos
    63 | February 1, 2013 3:40 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    Kerry: Obama Offered Me the Job a Week Before Susan Rice Pulled Out
    In other words, Rice was a false-flag feint in order to continue the “racist, sexist, war-on-women” anti-Republican meme, and keep it going after the election was over.

    right, smart move…why can’t the GOP read their playbook?…they are entirely to reactionary and even good at that…sometimes the best defense is a good offense


  64. 64 | February 1, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ Lily:

    Look after you and and yours is all I can advise. We are in uncharted waters as a nation.


  65. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | February 1, 2013 3:44 pm

    The Democrats are very easy to figure out. If the Republicans merely thought for a moment, each time the Democrats did something, “how are they trying to screw us over?” they’d do a lot better.


  66. 66 | February 1, 2013 3:44 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You are not alone in your observation.


  67. RIX
    67 | February 1, 2013 3:44 pm

    Most men would be embarrased about this man-love these men have for obama….not today and not with obama. Weird.
    @ Lily:

    SNL did a skit with John King of CNN sitting outside of Obamas
    house as a love stalker.
    Very funny.


  68. AZfederalist
    68 | February 1, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    “He called me, actually a week before Susan got out of the thing,” Kerry tells the Boston Globe. “He called me and said, ‘You’re my choice. I want you to do this.’ He asked me to keep it quiet. I did. I sat on it.”

    Well, remember this is the same guy who remembers (seared, seared in his memory) Spending Christmas in Cambodia after having been sent there by Richard Nixon. Before Nixon was president. So I’d be a little skeptical of any timelines that Lurch relates.


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    69 | February 1, 2013 3:49 pm

    As I’ve said before, Obama is doing an inverted form of Fascism: instead of picking on a minority, as the Nazis did with the Jews, he is picking on the majority—white folks—but then Balkanizing and demonizing it by creating “minority opt-outs.”

    You can be white, but if you’re a woman, you can opt out and become part of that grievance group. Or join the LGBT grievance group. Or the Hispanic grievance group. Or the atheist grievance group, or even plain old vanilla proggie. But you can’t opt out if you’re white and male unless you’re gay, or Hispanic, or atheist, or progressive; if you’re white and male and religious, or conservative, forget it.

    By stringing his grievance beads, he’s creating a “new minority” to hate, and as long as he strings along his grievance groups, he’s got a majority coalition.


  70. 70 | February 1, 2013 3:49 pm

    No matter how vindictive he gets, the people love him.


  71. citizen_q
    71 | February 1, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I wonder what rice’s pay off will be for being played the fool in this game.


  72. RIX
    72 | February 1, 2013 3:50 pm

    Associated Press nabbed an interview with outgoing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who slammed critics of the Obama Administration’s handling of the September 11th attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya:

    “There are some people in politics and in the press who can’t be confused by the facts,” she said. “They just will not live in an evidence-based world. And that’s regrettable. It’s regrettable for our political system and for the people who serve our government in very dangerous, difficult circumstances.”

    The arrogance is shocking.


  73. 73 | February 1, 2013 3:51 pm

    Dorian alert!

    Mitch McConnell Wants to See the Hemp Ban Go Up in Smoke


  74. buzzsawmonkey
    74 | February 1, 2013 3:52 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    I wonder what rice’s pay off will be for being played the fool in this game.

    I doubt she played the fool. I suspect she took her punching-bag role and ran with it like a good little soldier, knowing full well what was up.


  75. heysoos
    75 | February 1, 2013 3:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    No matter how vindictive he gets, the people love him.

    change the color of the lipstick on the pig and the orgasm begins all over again


  76. citizen_q
    76 | February 1, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    I hope someone aks hagel for his thoughts about lurch given his concern about how Vietnam Vetrans were treated on their return and lurch’s part therein.


  77. Lily
    77 | February 1, 2013 3:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Look after you and and yours is all I can advise. We are in uncharted waters as a nation.

    We are indeed in uncharted waters. All the stop-gates we had for a rogue president like obama aren’t working. The GOP…out to lunch…Congress..out to lunch…Supreme Court…out to lunch. Do we have any patriots left?
    And you are correct we can only go day by day and try and look after our own. One thing I do find comforting…Americans are different..and I hope the dummies sooner rather than later wake-up…but then again I very well could be wrong on that too. It can happen here too.


  78. heysoos
    78 | February 1, 2013 3:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Dorian alert!
    Mitch McConnell Wants to See the Hemp Ban Go Up in Smoke

    hemp production will lead to meth addiction…everybody already knows this, case closed


  79. Da_Beerfreak
    79 | February 1, 2013 3:59 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    due to all of his interconnected policy failures, he’s probably afraid to say anything….he’s lost, his foreign affairs in shambles and I think he knows it, the fakery cannot go on forever
    Who says Obama thinks his foreign policy is in shambles? I have no doubt he’s proud of it; the only failures thus far, in his eyes, is that Israel is still standing and the Iranians don’t yet have the bomb.
    maybe you have just described his downfall

    If that were so Benghazi would have hurt him..it didn’t. So no this isn’t going to hurt him in the least.

    Buttcrack Obama is no different than North Korea’s Kim Young’em or the Iranian Assholeatolla’s, only someone willing to use force will be able to stop him from doing what he wants to do. :evil:


  80. Lily
    80 | February 1, 2013 4:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    No matter how vindictive he gets, the people love him.

    It’s a wonder of wonders! Because the man hates more than he likes.


  81. heysoos
    81 | February 1, 2013 4:03 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    due to all of his interconnected policy failures, he’s probably afraid to say anything….he’s lost, his foreign affairs in shambles and I think he knows it, the fakery cannot go on forever
    Who says Obama thinks his foreign policy is in shambles? I have no doubt he’s proud of it; the only failures thus far, in his eyes, is that Israel is still standing and the Iranians don’t yet have the bomb.
    maybe you have just described his downfall
    If that were so Benghazi would have hurt him..it didn’t. So no this isn’t going to hurt him in the least.

    Buttcrack Obama is no different than North Korea’s Kim Young’em or the Iranian Assholeatolla’s, only someone willing to use force will be able to stop him from doing what he wants to do.

    some recognizable GOP official should challenge BO to explain all 23 gun grab EO’s will reduce mass murder…and when he’s turned down, explain on TV that BO appears to be too stupid to explain himself…just say it…he’s either too stupid or is blowing smoke out his ass…be blunt


  82. heysoos
    83 | February 1, 2013 4:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Barf alert:
    Newsweek Trolling For Hits With Latest Cover: Hillary Clinton “Most Powerful Woman In American History”…

    the set up has been in motion for weeks now…if the GOP doesn’t dispute this stuff immediately, it becomes myth…high powered pols need to get on top of this shit every single day 24/7…fight fire with fire, get politely aggressive


  83. AZfederalist
    84 | February 1, 2013 4:09 pm

    @ Lily:

    I now know how my grandparents felt during the Roosevelt administration.


  84. Lily
    85 | February 1, 2013 4:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Most powerful? Really? I don’t think so. She really only followed orders and what about Benghazi??? In her immortal words, “does it really matter?”
    She’s done. After serving under obama she looks like she was rode hard and put up wet.


  85. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | February 1, 2013 4:10 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    some recognizable GOP official should challenge BO to explain all 23 gun grab EO’s will reduce mass murder…and when he’s turned down, explain on TV that BO appears to be too stupid to explain himself…just say it…he’s either too stupid or is blowing smoke out his ass…be blunt

    Good as far as it goes: it would be better if a number of GOP officials said, in series,

    “We do not have a “gun problem” in this country. We have X million legal guns in private hands, and relatively few of them are ever used in an unjustifiable violent incident. We have a problem with illegal guns, but illegal guns are purchased by criminals, who do not obey the law. Most of these criminals, it grieves me to say, are members of inner-city gangs—and the President has shown absolutely no leadership in discussing this problem candidly, as his background uniquely qualifies him to do. We do not need to target legal gun owners; we do not need to act like a bunch of Chicken Littles running around trying to “do something” which will not address the problem we really have.”


  86. citizen_q
    87 | February 1, 2013 4:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Barf alert:
    Newsweek Trolling For Hits With Latest Cover: Hillary Clinton “Most Powerful Woman In American History”…

    They should show some class and not publicly discuss her body odor.

    /


  87. Lily
    88 | February 1, 2013 4:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Barf alert:
    Newsweek Trolling For Hits With Latest Cover: Hillary Clinton “Most Powerful Woman In American History”…
    the set up has been in motion for weeks now…if the GOP doesn’t dispute this stuff immediately, it becomes myth…high powered pols need to get on top of this shit every single day 24/7…fight fire with fire, get politely aggressive

    Talking to the wrong people. You need to be writing senators…and politicians.


  88. lobo91
    89 | February 1, 2013 4:12 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    There are no “illegal guns,” only illegal gun owners.


  89. Lily
    90 | February 1, 2013 4:12 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I now know how my grandparents felt during the Roosevelt administration.

    The only difference is there is no WWIII yet!
    /and I honestly pray there isn’t..but they way obama is handling things it will be a miracle if one doesn’t happen.


  90. lobo91
    91 | February 1, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Fortunately, it was Newsweek, so only about 12 people actually saw it.


  91. lobo91
    92 | February 1, 2013 4:14 pm

    Lily wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:
    @ Lily:
    I now know how my grandparents felt during the Roosevelt administration.
    The only difference is there is no WWIII yet!
    /and I honestly pray there isn’t..but they way obama is handling things it will be a miracle if one doesn’t happen.

    Unlike WWII, though, the next one won’t result in any sort of economic boom, aside from the rebuilding that comes after.


  92. AZfederalist
    93 | February 1, 2013 4:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Barf alert:

    Newsweek Trolling For Hits With Latest Cover: Hillary Clinton “Most Powerful Woman In American History”…

    That picture looks like Madeline Halfbright. Uncanny resemblance. I’ll bet Newsweak had the same picture for her as well.


  93. Da_Beerfreak
    94 | February 1, 2013 4:14 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I am sure the F16s and Abrams tanks we are gifting the koranimals will fix everything. I suggest we piss away another few billion dollars we don’t have to them as well.

    /

    I think the whole point of giving that hardware to Egypt now is to keep it out of American hands when the SHTF in a few years…


  94. buzzsawmonkey
    95 | February 1, 2013 4:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    There are no “illegal guns,” only illegal gun owners.

    Oh, it needs to be edited, but you get my drift.


  95. heysoos
    96 | February 1, 2013 4:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    some recognizable GOP official should challenge BO to explain all 23 gun grab EO’s will reduce mass murder…and when he’s turned down, explain on TV that BO appears to be too stupid to explain himself…just say it…he’s either too stupid or is blowing smoke out his ass…be blunt
    Good as far as it goes: it would be better if a number of GOP officials said, in series,
    “We do not have a “gun problem” in this country. We have X million legal guns in private hands, and relatively few of them are ever used in an unjustifiable violent incident. We have a problem with illegal guns, but illegal guns are purchased by criminals, who do not obey the law. Most of these criminals, it grieves me to say, are members of inner-city gangs—and the President has shown absolutely no leadership in discussing this problem candidly, as his background uniquely qualifies him to do. We do not need to target legal gun owners; we do not need to act like a bunch of Chicken Littles running around trying to “do something” which will not address the problem we really have.”

    right…well you’d be that guy to put it to him as far as I’m concerned…I’m just surfing for some solutions…these gun EO’s are being used outside of the spirit of intention…if he’s going to fine tune civil law then HE needs to explain why and how they affect results, not some stooge…make HIM accountable in his own words and if he won’t then attack him for that


  96. Lily
    97 | February 1, 2013 4:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    AZfederalist wrote:
    @ Lily:
    I now know how my grandparents felt during the Roosevelt administration.
    The only difference is there is no WWIII yet!
    /and I honestly pray there isn’t..but they way obama is handling things it will be a miracle if one doesn’t happen.
    Unlike WWII, though, the next one won’t result in any sort of economic boom, aside from the rebuilding that comes after.

    I have to agree there.


  97. 98 | February 1, 2013 4:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    The media has people convinced he’s a good guy.


  98. Lily
    99 | February 1, 2013 4:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Fortunately, it was Newsweek, so only about 12 people actually saw it.

    Yep and only on the internet…no longer a news rag anymore. So yeah maybe 12 people saw it.


  99. citizen_q
    100 | February 1, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Buzz, someone made a comment on my local shooting forum, that was interesting, but could not attribute it.

    He said there was a case that somehow held up that criminals were not required to register their firearms because doing so would be a form of self-incrimination.

    Not being an attorney, it sounds plausible, but if it were true I would expect it to be trotted out immediately against the calls for universal background checks, mental health checks, etc….


  100. lobo91
    101 | February 1, 2013 4:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    There are no “illegal guns,” only illegal gun owners.
    Oh, it needs to be edited, but you get my drift.

    I would focus on the lack of prosecution for violations of current gun laws at all levels. Biden has already said that they don’t have time to enforce the current laws, yet they want more?

    And why are state judges in places like Chicago allowing violent criminals to plea-bargain their way out of what are supposed to be mandatory prison terms?


  101. Da_Beerfreak
    102 | February 1, 2013 4:19 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I now know how my grandparents felt during the Roosevelt administration.

    I’m starting to understand how my Friend’s Cousin felt growing up in Germany. She was 8 years old in ’33.


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    103 | February 1, 2013 4:19 pm

    Obama never condemned—never even mentioned—the violent black flash mobs that were erupting in a number of places over the last few years. Never mentioned the recent Chicago elevated attack where a black man attacked a white female passenger with a sock filled with shit. Never has discussed the black-on-black gang violence.

    As First Black President, it’s the sort of thing he was expected/elected to do. People thought they were electing Bill Cosby, and got Al Sharpton instead.


  103. RIX
    104 | February 1, 2013 4:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Barf alert:

    Newsweek Trolling For Hits With Latest Cover: Hillary Clinton “Most Powerful Woman In American History”…

    If the criteria is flying a million air miles then there is a case.
    Probably more qualified for free membership in the Red Carpet
    Club though.
    Nobody ever points out any diplomatic victories.


  104. lobo91
    105 | February 1, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Buzz, someone made a comment on my local shooting forum, that was interesting, but could not attribute it.

    He said there was a case that somehow held up that criminals were not required to register their firearms because doing so would be a form of self-incrimination.

    That is actually true. I can’t recall the case offhand, but yes, the Supreme Court did actually say that.


  105. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | February 1, 2013 4:21 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Buzz, someone made a comment on my local shooting forum, that was interesting, but could not attribute it.

    He said there was a case that somehow held up that criminals were not required to register their firearms because doing so would be a form of self-incrimination.

    Not being an attorney, it sounds plausible, but if it were true I would expect it to be trotted out immediately against the calls for universal background checks, mental health checks, etc….

    Never heard that one. It’s just loony enough to possibly be true.


  106. citizen_q
    107 | February 1, 2013 4:21 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I think the whole point of giving that hardware to Egypt now is to keep it out of American hands when the SHTF in a few years…

    From what I understand from Dorian’s comments the other day about our night vision tech from Iraq finding it’s way into the hands of gangs in CA, with enough money we could just buy it back.

    /


  107. 108 | February 1, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I tell you what I’d like -- the next time he runs the blah blah of “we cannot returned to the failed policies…” I want some real reporter to jump up and ask him “just exactly WHAT failed policies are you talking about? The financial crisis was precipitated by the collapse of the housing market and the failure of the mortgage-backed securities market, couple with the credit swaps backed by AIG and other insurance companies. How is the Bush Administration responsible for ANY of that? Please advise precisely how the Bush Administration was responsible for the failure of GM and Chrysler?


  108. heysoos
    109 | February 1, 2013 4:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    There are no “illegal guns,” only illegal gun owners.
    Oh, it needs to be edited, but you get my drift.
    I would focus on the lack of prosecution for violations of current gun laws at all levels. Biden has already said that they don’t have time to enforce the current laws, yet they want more?
    And why are state judges in places like Chicago allowing violent criminals to plea-bargain their way out of what are supposed to be mandatory prison terms?

    right, pin the racial aspect on them…why do calls for more gun control only happen after white kids are killed?…what EXACTLY are cities doing to solve the gang problem


  109. 110 | February 1, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Ask them what they’re doing about the Black kids being killed in Los Angeles, Oakland, Detroit and Chicago? Or don’t they matter?


  110. Speranza
    111 | February 1, 2013 4:23 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    right, pin the racial aspect on them…why do calls for more gun control only happen after white kids are killed?…what EXACTLY are cities doing to solve the gang problem

    When all is going wrong, fall back on the race card.


  111. heysoos
    112 | February 1, 2013 4:24 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    ahaha!…true
    he’s not suggested to the Crips a beer summit that I know of…watch for the first, earliest people calling for his head to be urban blacks


  112. Speranza
    113 | February 1, 2013 4:25 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I tell you what I’d like — the next time he runs the blah blah of “we cannot returned to the failed policies…” I want some real reporter to jump up and ask him “just exactly WHAT failed policies are you talking about? The financial crisis was precipitated by the collapse of the housing market and the failure of the mortgage-backed securities market, couple with the credit swaps backed by AIG and other insurance companies. How is the Bush Administration responsible for ANY of that? Please advise precisely how the Bush Administration was responsible for the failure of GM and Chrysler?

    The seeds of the financial crisis was in back in 1993 with the mortgages that Clinton urged banks to give to people who could not afford them.


  113. citizen_q
    114 | February 1, 2013 4:25 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    What am I missing? If it is true, how can obama and little facists cumo and omally justify any registration scheme as anything other than an attack on the law abiding?


  114. Lily
    115 | February 1, 2013 4:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The media has people convinced he’s a good guy.

    What baffles me is why do people believe the media when you can catch them lying to you at least every day. I have never once thought he was a good guy a minor check into who, what and where about him and I came up with some distrubing things. You would think with the internet it would help get the information out…wrong. If people don’t want to believe the truth they aren’t going to believe their lying eyes. It is very strange if you ask me. Oh I’m sure point by point it could be explained away..in fact I could do it..I just still find it very odd.
    Obama is whatever a person wants him to be. Free stuff….or health care reformer….peace-maker…..uniter…I mean it’s all a lie but people are buying it! Unreal!


  115. buzzsawmonkey
    116 | February 1, 2013 4:27 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    What am I missing? If it is true, how can obama and little facists cumo and omally justify any registration scheme as anything other than an attack on the law abiding?

    Because it’s not fascist when they do it to you or me, you racist you.


  116. lobo91
    117 | February 1, 2013 4:29 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    What am I missing? If it is true, how can obama and little facists cumo and omally justify any registration scheme as anything other than an attack on the law abiding?

    They’re Democrats.

    Since when do they have to justify anything?


  117. lobo91
    118 | February 1, 2013 4:32 pm

    Good thing we don’t need those jobs…or lower gas prices…

    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…

    The Obama administration’s decision on the Keystone XL oil pipeline will not be made until at least June, a U.S. official said, which would delay the project for months and frustrate backers of Canada’s oil sands.

    “We’re talking the beginning of summer at the earliest,” said the source, who did not want to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the TransCanada Corp project, which has been pending for more than four and a half years. “It’s not weeks until the final decision. It’s months.”


  118. heysoos
    119 | February 1, 2013 4:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    What am I missing? If it is true, how can obama and little facists cumo and omally justify any registration scheme as anything other than an attack on the law abiding?
    They’re Democrats.
    Since when do they have to justify anything?

    regardless of my pessimism, they can be made to justify themselves…
    try
    harder


  119. buzzsawmonkey
    120 | February 1, 2013 4:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Good thing we don’t need those jobs…or lower gas prices…

    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…

    The Obama administration’s decision on the Keystone XL oil pipeline will not be made until at least June, a U.S. official said, which would delay the project for months and frustrate backers of Canada’s oil sands.

    He wants to stall it until he can point to “creating jobs” for the midterm elections.


  120. Lily
    121 | February 1, 2013 4:35 pm

    Why the delay?? Because he cares?? Hell he doesn’t care about us at all!

    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/01/obama-admin-delays-keystone-pipeline-decision-for-another-6-months/


  121. heysoos
    122 | February 1, 2013 4:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Good thing we don’t need those jobs…or lower gas prices…
    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…
    The Obama administration’s decision on the Keystone XL oil pipeline will not be made until at least June, a U.S. official said, which would delay the project for months and frustrate backers of Canada’s oil sands.
    “We’re talking the beginning of summer at the earliest,” said the source, who did not want to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the TransCanada Corp project, which has been pending for more than four and a half years. “It’s not weeks until the final decision. It’s months.”

    he’d agreed to make a decision when the line was rerouted around the Sand Hills…call him out, demand and throw a fit, a loud one


  122. Lily
    123 | February 1, 2013 4:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    GMTA!


  123. citizen_q
    124 | February 1, 2013 4:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Because it’s not fascist when they do it to you or me, you racist you.

    lobo91 wrote:

    They’re Democrats.

    Since when do they have to justify anything?

    LOL! true, but I would think Wayne LaPierre would have made this point. OTOH, he may well have, and the MFM chose not to report it.


  124. lobo91
    125 | February 1, 2013 4:36 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Here we go:

    Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968), was a United States Supreme Court decision interpreting the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution’s self-incrimination clause. Haynes extended the Fifth Amendment protections elucidated in Marchetti v. United States, 390 U.S. 39, 57 (1968).[1]

    The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of certain types of firearms. Miles Edward Haynes was a convicted felon who was charged with failing to register a firearm under the Act. Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself.

    In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling.


  125. Lily
    126 | February 1, 2013 4:38 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Good thing we don’t need those jobs…or lower gas prices…
    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…
    The Obama administration’s decision on the Keystone XL oil pipeline will not be made until at least June, a U.S. official said, which would delay the project for months and frustrate backers of Canada’s oil sands.
    “We’re talking the beginning of summer at the earliest,” said the source, who did not want to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the TransCanada Corp project, which has been pending for more than four and a half years. “It’s not weeks until the final decision. It’s months.”
    he’d agreed to make a decision when the line was rerouted around the Sand Hills…call him out, demand and throw a fit, a loud one

    Shoot, so much advice for everyone! You can throw a fit and loud one too!


  126. lobo91
    127 | February 1, 2013 4:38 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Wayne is going to be on Fox News Sunday, BTW.

    I’ll have to watch the video later, since I’ll be at a gun show.


  127. heysoos
    128 | February 1, 2013 4:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Good thing we don’t need those jobs…or lower gas prices…
    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…
    The Obama administration’s decision on the Keystone XL oil pipeline will not be made until at least June, a U.S. official said, which would delay the project for months and frustrate backers of Canada’s oil sands.
    “We’re talking the beginning of summer at the earliest,” said the source, who did not want to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the TransCanada Corp project, which has been pending for more than four and a half years. “It’s not weeks until the final decision. It’s months.”
    he’d agreed to make a decision when the line was rerouted around the Sand Hills…call him out, demand and throw a fit, a loud one
    Shoot, so much advice for everyone! You can throw a fit and loud one too!

    I think the GOP can use all the advice they can get


  128. coldwarrior
    129 | February 1, 2013 4:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Why the delay?? Because he cares?? Hell he doesn’t care about us at all!
    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…
    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/01/obama-admin-delays-keystone-pipeline-decision-for-another-6-months/

    remember what he said for the stimulus. he didnt want it going to a bunch of middle class white guys…i.e. construction and trade workers. face it, there arent going to be many ‘friends of obama’ actually working on that pipeline.


  129. Lily
    130 | February 1, 2013 4:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Good thing we don’t need those jobs…or lower gas prices…
    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…
    The Obama administration’s decision on the Keystone XL oil pipeline will not be made until at least June, a U.S. official said, which would delay the project for months and frustrate backers of Canada’s oil sands.
    “We’re talking the beginning of summer at the earliest,” said the source, who did not want to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the TransCanada Corp project, which has been pending for more than four and a half years. “It’s not weeks until the final decision. It’s months.”
    he’d agreed to make a decision when the line was rerouted around the Sand Hills…call him out, demand and throw a fit, a loud one
    Shoot, so much advice for everyone! You can throw a fit and loud one too!
    I think the GOP can use all the advice they can get

    Write them a letter. No politicians on here.


  130. Lily
    131 | February 1, 2013 4:42 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Why the delay?? Because he cares?? Hell he doesn’t care about us at all!
    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…
    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/01/obama-admin-delays-keystone-pipeline-decision-for-another-6-months/
    remember what he said for the stimulus. he didnt want it going to a bunch of middle class white guys…i.e. construction and trade workers. face it, there arent going to be many ‘friends of obama’ actually working on that pipeline.

    No there isn’t going to be. You would quite surprised at excatly how anti-obama that field of work is…and for good reason.


  131. heysoos
    132 | February 1, 2013 4:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Good thing we don’t need those jobs…or lower gas prices…
    Obama Admin Delays Keystone Pipeline Decision For Another 6 Months…
    The Obama administration’s decision on the Keystone XL oil pipeline will not be made until at least June, a U.S. official said, which would delay the project for months and frustrate backers of Canada’s oil sands.
    “We’re talking the beginning of summer at the earliest,” said the source, who did not want to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the TransCanada Corp project, which has been pending for more than four and a half years. “It’s not weeks until the final decision. It’s months.”
    he’d agreed to make a decision when the line was rerouted around the Sand Hills…call him out, demand and throw a fit, a loud one
    Shoot, so much advice for everyone! You can throw a fit and loud one too!
    I think the GOP can use all the advice they can get
    Write them a letter. No politicians on here.

    write a letter?
    hahaha!…good one


  132. lobo91
    133 | February 1, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    remember what he said for the stimulus. he didnt want it going to a bunch of middle class white guys

    I’m pretty sure that the majority of the stimulus actually went to members of the dreaded 1%.


  133. Lily
    134 | February 1, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ heysoos:

    E-mail them then…


  134. lobo91
    135 | February 1, 2013 4:47 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    E-mail them then…

    E-mailing members of Congress is a total waste of time. Humans don’t even read the messages. They’re scanned for keywords, and you get an automated response based on the topic.

    If you want any chance at all of someone reading it, you have to send snail mail.


  135. lobo91
    136 | February 1, 2013 4:48 pm

    Ugh…Gabby Giffords is going to be on Fox News Sunday, too.


  136. citizen_q
    137 | February 1, 2013 4:48 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Thanks!

    Criminals who would flout the law anyway can stand on the 5th Amendment.

    Unfortunately, since I am not a criminal I have no such luxury.

    I need a drink.


  137. Lily
    138 | February 1, 2013 4:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    E-mail them then…
    E-mailing members of Congress is a total waste of time. Humans don’t even read the messages. They’re scanned for keywords, and you get an automated response based on the topic.
    If you want any chance at all of someone reading it, you have to send snail mail.

    I told him to write a letter and he mocked me. See I was right (write) the first time. ;)


  138. heysoos
    139 | February 1, 2013 4:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    E-mail them then…
    E-mailing members of Congress is a total waste of time. Humans don’t even read the messages. They’re scanned for keywords, and you get an automated response based on the topic.
    If you want any chance at all of someone reading it, you have to send snail mail.
    I told him to write a letter and he mocked me. See I was right (write) the first time.

    contacting your congressman IS a waste of time…I assumed you knew that


  139. lobo91
    140 | February 1, 2013 4:50 pm

    I’d really like to ask Cuomo how he plans to reconcile his new registration scheme with the Haynes decision.

    Pretty sure I’d just get a blank stare, though.


  140. Lily
    141 | February 1, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ heysoos:


  141. lobo91
    142 | February 1, 2013 4:53 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Thanks!
    Criminals who would flout the law anyway can stand on the 5th Amendment.
    Unfortunately, since I am not a criminal I have no such luxury.
    I need a drink.

    It has no real effect on criminals, since they weren’t going to comply anyway.

    All it really does is take away a potential charge that a prosecutor could add on.

    It does reinforce the point that gun control laws are more about control than guns, though.


  142. heysoos
    143 | February 1, 2013 4:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’d really like to ask Cuomo how he plans to reconcile his new registration scheme with the Haynes decision.
    Pretty sure I’d just get a blank stare, though.

    (hey Vito!…what the fuck is a Haynes decision?)….hang on Mr Lobo, I’m on it, so let me put you on hold for a second, thanks


  143. AZfederalist
    144 | February 1, 2013 4:54 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    What am I missing? If it is true, how can obama and little facists cumo and omally justify any registration scheme as anything other than an attack on the law abiding?

    Let’s carry that a step further. If, in NY, an AR owner refuses to register his gun, he becomes a lawbreaker, so if he doesn’t register, then he doesn’t have to?


  144. Lily
    145 | February 1, 2013 4:54 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    E-mail them then…
    E-mailing members of Congress is a total waste of time. Humans don’t even read the messages. They’re scanned for keywords, and you get an automated response based on the topic.
    If you want any chance at all of someone reading it, you have to send snail mail.
    I told him to write a letter and he mocked me. See I was right (write) the first time.
    contacting your congressman IS a waste of time…I assumed you knew that

    So in your mind telling people on a blog who aren’t connected to politic’s other than voting …what the GOP needs to do will work? Do I have this right? Oooooooookay.
    /still just the same write let’s see 500 or more letters (with printers easy to do) and drop off at nearest GOP office.


  145. Lily
    146 | February 1, 2013 4:55 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    What am I missing? If it is true, how can obama and little facists cumo and omally justify any registration scheme as anything other than an attack on the law abiding?
    Let’s carry that a step further. If, in NY, an AR owner refuses to register his gun, he becomes a lawbreaker, so if he doesn’t register, then he doesn’t have to?

    Dear George, I think you got it!!! ;)


  146. heysoos
    147 | February 1, 2013 4:55 pm

    this is interesting….can’t wait for the explanation as to how this is in anybody’s interest…unanimous, both houses


  147. lobo91
    149 | February 1, 2013 4:57 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Let’s carry that a step further. If, in NY, an AR owner refuses to register his gun, he becomes a lawbreaker, so if he doesn’t register, then he doesn’t have to?

    No, because he’s not a convicted felon. That’s what make owning the gun illegal in the first place.


  148. heysoos
    150 | February 1, 2013 4:58 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    E-mail them then…
    E-mailing members of Congress is a total waste of time. Humans don’t even read the messages. They’re scanned for keywords, and you get an automated response based on the topic.
    If you want any chance at all of someone reading it, you have to send snail mail.
    I told him to write a letter and he mocked me. See I was right (write) the first time.
    contacting your congressman IS a waste of time…I assumed you knew that
    So in your mind telling people on a blog who aren’t connected to politic’s other than voting …what the GOP needs to do will work? Do I have this right? Oooooooookay.
    /still just the same write let’s see 500 or more letters (with printers easy to do) and drop off at nearest GOP office.

    yes, it’s a forum for conversation…after all what can I do to influence events in Syria?…nothing, but we still talk about it…some people bitch, some people look for solutions, some do both


  149. Lily
    151 | February 1, 2013 4:59 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Now why the hell did he do that????
    /obama is just plain ugly and evil.

    Put that in that letter you write for me please.


  150. heysoos
    152 | February 1, 2013 5:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Now why the hell did he do that????
    /obama is just plain ugly and evil.
    Put that in that letter you write for me please.

    you do it…I’m illiterate


  151. Lily
    153 | February 1, 2013 5:01 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I’m not bitchin’.
    /sense of humor hey…sense of humor…


  152. Lily
    154 | February 1, 2013 5:04 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Now why the hell did he do that????
    /obama is just plain ugly and evil.
    Put that in that letter you write for me please.
    you do it…I’m illiterate

    Excuses, excuses…I am a damn soccur mom I don’t do letters remember?????????


  153. citizen_q
    155 | February 1, 2013 5:05 pm

    @ Lily:
    Put that in context along with his stance about saving babies that survive abortions.

    He’s a monster.


  154. lobo91
    156 | February 1, 2013 5:06 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Put that in context along with his stance about saving babies that survive abortions.
    He’s a monster.

    According to Pelosi, he’s helping to keep Social Security solvent.


  155. lobo91
    157 | February 1, 2013 5:07 pm

    Off to set up for the gun show.

    BBIAB


  156. Lily
    158 | February 1, 2013 5:08 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Put that in context along with his stance about saving babies that survive abortions.
    He’s a monster.

    Oh indeedy!! Big time!!!


  157. heysoos
    159 | February 1, 2013 5:12 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Now why the hell did he do that????
    /obama is just plain ugly and evil.
    Put that in that letter you write for me please.
    you do it…I’m illiterate
    Excuses, excuses…I am a damn soccur mom I don’t do letters remember?????????

    elected pols have staffs to surf the net…they know the score…I’m sure some even pass through here, observing how we feel…they have many contacts to measure public voices….replying to a letter in person is an antique notion


  158. RIX
    160 | February 1, 2013 5:12 pm

    Lily wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Put that in context along with his stance about saving babies that survive abortions.
    He’s a monster.

    Oh indeedy!! Big time!!!

    When I mentioned that on LGF the Count of Cheetos said that i was
    accusing Obama of infanticide>
    Well, yeah.


  159. Lily
    161 | February 1, 2013 5:19 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    citizen_q wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Put that in context along with his stance about saving babies that survive abortions.
    He’s a monster.
    Oh indeedy!! Big time!!!
    When I mentioned that on LGF the Count of Cheetos said that i was
    accusing Obama of infanticide>
    Well, yeah.

    He is. I mean late term abortion and he was against the born alive act….so yeah obama is guilty of infanticide.


  160. Lily
    162 | February 1, 2013 5:20 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You are taking me too seriously hey…really. ;)


  161. RIX
    163 | February 1, 2013 5:22 pm

    He is. I mean late term abortion and he was against the born alive act….so yeah obama is guilty of infanticide@ Lily:

    Denying care to a fully born baby is indeed infanticide.


  162. 164 | February 1, 2013 5:23 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes, the Community Reinvestment Act, which was a failed program begun by (who else) Jimmah Cahtah — all based on a fraudulent study by the Federal Reserve of Boston about “redlining.”

    Janet Reno threatened banks with DOJ action if they didn’t make loans to, you know, jackasses who were unable to actually pay them back.


  163. heysoos
    165 | February 1, 2013 5:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You are taking me too seriously hey…really.

    not really…I just think out loud…
    who knows who reads here?
    I used to post everyday on Little Feats digest…one time a newbie showed up, a woman…she thought LF fans were the greatest and she joined right in…I especially liked her and we even emailed off the digest…after a couple months, she was exposed and finally admitted she was Luarel Masse from Manhattan Transfer…she was a real hoot…same thing happened with your own LA son, the famed Sonny Landreth….he posted for months too before anybody realized who he was…just examples of people seeking out gab and friendship….the first time I met Sonny Landreth in person, he knew my nic from the LF digest…most famous people are just like you and me…after a gig, they hit the bus and surf the net, talking and chilling


  164. heysoos
    166 | February 1, 2013 5:34 pm

    Jesse Jackson shits on his peeps again…some of the most stupid people in the world…new word, ‘gun flow’…blame Remington
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/jesse-jackson-to-march-for-slain-chicago-teen-87065.html?hp=r12


  165. 167 | February 1, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Where was he when the other 39 from last month were being gunned down?


  166. RIX
    168 | February 1, 2013 5:38 pm

    On the Five, Beckel is outdoing himself.
    He sneezed into the popcorn bowl.
    Then he ate chicken wings getting sauce all over his
    unsightly face.
    Not done, he then complained about the sauce being too
    hot because Kimberly is Puerto Rican.


  167. heysoos
    169 | February 1, 2013 5:38 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Where was he when the other 39 from last month were being gunned down?

    Rainbow Coalitin…
    I live fat and you die


  168. heysoos
    170 | February 1, 2013 5:40 pm

    Jesse Jackson is the Ron Jeremy of race porn


  169. Lily
    171 | February 1, 2013 5:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    He is. I mean late term abortion and he was against the born alive act….so yeah obama is guilty of infanticide@ Lily:
    Denying care to a fully born baby is indeed infanticide.

    Yes it is…and frankly I don’t understand this type of thinking…it’s evil.


  170. taxfreekiller
    172 | February 1, 2013 5:50 pm

    For a Super Bowl Pre-Game music deal try

    David Allen Coe
    12 Greatest Hits CD

    She Used to Love Me a Lot
    Mona Lisa Lost Her Smile
    The Ride
    Now I Lay Me Down to Cheat
    Tennessee Whiskey
    If that Ain’t Country
    Longhaired Redneck
    Jody Like a Melody
    Please Come to Boston
    This Bottle
    Would you Lay With Me
    Jack Daniel’s If You Please
    Take this job and shove it.

    He is a wild nut case but ms tfk says it is all danceable.
    She and I have been to honkey tonks here in Texas to see him play and ya, it is danceable, guy is a strange one.

    He can do music.
    He can sing.

    Get along with other humans,,, not so much.


  171. Lily
    173 | February 1, 2013 5:53 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    You are taking me too seriously hey…really.
    not really…I just think out loud…
    who knows who reads here?
    I used to post everyday on Little Feats digest…one time a newbie showed up, a woman…she thought LF fans were the greatest and she joined right in…I especially liked her and we even emailed off the digest…after a couple months, she was exposed and finally admitted she was Luarel Masse from Manhattan Transfer…she was a real hoot…same thing happened with your own LA son, the famed Sonny Landreth….he posted for months too before anybody realized who he was…just examples of people seeking out gab and friendship….the first time I met Sonny Landreth in person, he knew my nic from the LF digest…most famous people are just like you and me…after a gig, they hit the bus and surf the net, talking and chilling

    While that maybe true…maybe address people differently….like people need to _________. Instead of you need to ___________.
    As far as famous people ….easy come ..easy go.


  172. lobo91
    174 | February 1, 2013 5:53 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Jackson was responding to a question about why Chicago has already seen more than 40 murders in 2013 despite tough gun restrictions. He noted that guns come into Chicago from outside city limits, where gun laws are more lax.

    Um, no, they don’t. Guns are inanimate objects. They don’t “come in” from anywhere. They’re brought in by criminals.

    Criminals the Democrats are too lazy to prosecute, I might add.


  173. RIX
    175 | February 1, 2013 5:54 pm

    @ Lily:
    It is evil.


  174. Lily
    176 | February 1, 2013 5:56 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    There is a song by David Allen Coe I like that isn’t on that list…here it is…


  175. lobo91
    177 | February 1, 2013 5:57 pm

    Another lunatic crawls back out of the woodwork:

    Obamabot Hack Sandra Fluke: Opposing Contraception Coverage Akin To Opposing “Leukemia Coverage”…


  176. Lily
    178 | February 1, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ RIX:

    A lot of that going around. But it’s been around a while…I just think of WWII and the horrors there.


  177. lobo91
    179 | February 1, 2013 5:58 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    A lot of that going around. But it’s been around a while…I just think of WWII and the horrors there.

    WWIII is going to be worse.


  178. 180 | February 1, 2013 6:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    She needs to join Cindy Sheehan for coffee at the Starbucks at the corner of Irrelevant and Ignored.


  179. Lily
    181 | February 1, 2013 6:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    A lot of that going around. But it’s been around a while…I just think of WWII and the horrors there.
    WWIII is going to be worse.

    I fear you are correct lobo….and it is like a knife to my heart…since I have children and grandchildren. We do live in a fallen world.


  180. Lily
    182 | February 1, 2013 6:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Jackson was responding to a question about why Chicago has already seen more than 40 murders in 2013 despite tough gun restrictions. He noted that guns come into Chicago from outside city limits, where gun laws are more lax.
    Um, no, they don’t. Guns are inanimate objects. They don’t “come in” from anywhere. They’re brought in by criminals.
    Criminals the Democrats are too lazy to prosecute, I might add.

    You got a point lobo ….people are bringing them in…and last time I checked you can arrest people breaking the law. Guns with legs not so much..but they don’t exsist.


  181. Da_Beerfreak
    183 | February 1, 2013 6:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The media has people convinced he’s a good guy.

    Propaganda works. The more ignorant (or indifferent) the target audience is, the better it works on them.


  182. Lily
    184 | February 1, 2013 6:07 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    She needs to join Cindy Sheehan for coffee at the Starbucks at the corner of Irrelevant and Ignored.

    Dear heavens yes…I honestly could care less about her birth control and to be honest what type of woman talks about that on TV? Only a loose one.


  183. RIX
    185 | February 1, 2013 6:07 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    A lot of that going around. But it’s been around a while…I just think of WWII and the horrors there.

    It really never goes away.


  184. Da_Beerfreak
    186 | February 1, 2013 6:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Obama never condemned—never even mentioned—the violent black flash mobs that were erupting in a number of places over the last few years. Never mentioned the recent Chicago elevated attack where a black man attacked a white female passenger with a sock filled with shit. Never has discussed the black-on-black gang violence.

    As First Black President, it’s the sort of thing he was expected/elected to do. People thought they were electing Bill Cosby, and got Al Sharpton instead.

    At this point even Al Sharpton might have been a better prez then what we’re currently saddled with.


  185. lobo91
    187 | February 1, 2013 6:12 pm

    @ Lily:

    You got a point lobo ….people are bringing them in…and last time I checked you can arrest people breaking the law. Guns with legs not so much..but they don’t exsist.

    This is Chicago we’re talking about.

    Nothing illegal comes into the city that doesn’t ultimately involve a kickback to the powers that be.

    Meaning the Dem machine.


  186. lobo91
    188 | February 1, 2013 6:13 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    She needs to join Cindy Sheehan for coffee at the Starbucks at the corner of Irrelevant and Ignored.

    Cindy Sheehan ran for VP.

    Of course, she was Roseanne Barr’s running mate…


  187. Lily
    189 | February 1, 2013 6:15 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yep…have to agree.


  188. Lily
    190 | February 1, 2013 6:16 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Obama never condemned—never even mentioned—the violent black flash mobs that were erupting in a number of places over the last few years. Never mentioned the recent Chicago elevated attack where a black man attacked a white female passenger with a sock filled with shit. Never has discussed the black-on-black gang violence.
    As First Black President, it’s the sort of thing he was expected/elected to do. People thought they were electing Bill Cosby, and got Al Sharpton instead.
    At this point even Al Sharpton might have been a better prez then what we’re currently saddled with.

    Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh not real sure..now right there you got a real toss up!!!


  189. Lily
    191 | February 1, 2013 6:17 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    A lot of that going around. But it’s been around a while…I just think of WWII and the horrors there.
    It really never goes away.

    No it doesn’t now does it Rix? Always have to be on our guard. Such a shame.


  190. heysoos
    192 | February 1, 2013 6:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    You got a point lobo ….people are bringing them in…and last time I checked you can arrest people breaking the law. Guns with legs not so much..but they don’t exsist.
    This is Chicago we’re talking about.
    Nothing illegal comes into the city that doesn’t ultimately involve a kickback to the powers that be.
    Meaning the Dem machine.

    Chicago is huge, 240 some sq miles…most of the mayhem is out on the West side or South, generally miles from downtown…the murder just got noticed when it spilled into the Loop two summers ago and freaked out the tourists…and now this hit today on Lake Shore Dr…the geography is relative to the response…gangland activity is very much political as you pointed out


  191. Da_Beerfreak
    193 | February 1, 2013 6:24 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’d really like to ask Cuomo how he plans to reconcile his new registration scheme with the Haynes decision.
    Pretty sure I’d just get a blank stare, though.

    (hey Vito!…what the fuck is a Haynes decision?)….hang on Mr Lobo, I’m on it, so let me put you on hold for a second, thanks

    Click!! Buzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………..


  192. RIX
    194 | February 1, 2013 6:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    A lot of that going around. But it’s been around a while…I just think of WWII and the horrors there.
    It really never goes away.

    No it doesn’t now does it Rix? Always have to be on our guard. Such a shame.

    But we shouldn’t elect it. Was that racist ? Because everything is.


  193. RIX
    195 | February 1, 2013 6:29 pm

    See ya later.


  194. Lily
    196 | February 1, 2013 6:32 pm

    @ RIX:

    No we should never elect it.

    And see ya later Rix!!!


  195. lobo91
    197 | February 1, 2013 6:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Nothing has changed in Chicago for 100 years. It used to be Canadian booze and Tommy guns. Now it’s drugs and Glocks.

    The cops and politicians still get their cut.


  196. AZfederalist
    198 | February 1, 2013 6:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Jackson was responding to a question about why Chicago has already seen more than 40 murders in 2013 despite tough gun restrictions. He noted that guns come into Chicago from outside city limits, where gun laws are more lax.

    Um, no, they don’t. Guns are inanimate objects. They don’t “come in” from anywhere. They’re brought in by criminals.

    Criminals the Democrats are too lazy to prosecute, I might add.

    The other problem with that argument is that a rational person would ask what the murder rate in those places with the lax gun laws is. Using Jesse Jackson logic, one would think that the murder rare would be significantly higher than Chicago since the only,guns coming into Chicago a coming in illegally. The facts show otherwise. A curious reporter would ask that question; a biased fifth columnist such as our MSM, not so much.


  197. Lily
    199 | February 1, 2013 6:37 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    This *curious reporter* you speak of they must be very rare…I never have seen one!


  198. Da_Beerfreak
    200 | February 1, 2013 6:37 pm

    RIX wrote:

    On the Five, Beckel is outdoing himself.
    He sneezed into the popcorn bowl.
    Then he ate chicken wings getting sauce all over his
    unsightly face.
    Not done, he then complained about the sauce being too
    hot because Kimberly is Puerto Rican.

    So this is what I’m missing when I stopped watching TV 20 years ago??


  199. Lily
    201 | February 1, 2013 6:38 pm

    Moving to the new thread…well I’ve been on the new thread alone for a little while. :(


  200. lobo91
    202 | February 1, 2013 6:38 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Given the level of gun ownership here in Colorado Springs, you’d think our murder rate must be off the charts, then.

    Actually, it’s about half the national average for a city this size.

    Odd…


  201. Lily
    203 | February 1, 2013 6:41 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    I stay away from those types of shows unless I want to be annoyed. I’ll watch some movies. I’m still stuck on couch …. during the day I’m on the blogmoc….hopefully not annoying anyone. ;)


  202. 204 | February 1, 2013 6:42 pm

    New Thread.


  203. Da_Beerfreak
    205 | February 1, 2013 6:43 pm

    @ Lily:
    No doubt it would be close…. :twisted:


  204. AZfederalist
    206 | February 1, 2013 6:47 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ AZfederalist:

    This *curious reporter* you speak of they must be very rare…I never have seen one!

    Very rare breed. It is a disqualifying trait for employment on any of the MSM networks or newspapers.


  205. Lily
    207 | February 1, 2013 6:53 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Indeed!

    8-)


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