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Super Sunday Open, Taxable Consumables Edition

by coldwarrior ( 122 Comments › )
Filed under Open thread at February 3rd, 2013 - 11:00 am

So, what are yinz up to today? Anything on yer mind?

 

We have open threads all day, at 1730 est the football themed opens start.

 

Taxpayers Sacked On Super Bowl Sunday

This Sunday, 179 million Americans will watch the Super Bowl.  If you’re one of these football fans, make sure you save room on the couch for one uninvited guest: Uncle Sam.

For every aspect of the time-honored football tradition, you’re shelling out a little more thanks to government taxes and fees. From the team gear you buy to the beer you imbibe, fans are getting sacked – here are some of Super Bowl Sunday’s tax penalties:

False Start (5 yards) Sipping soft drinks? Almost a third of the cost of your soda comes from taxes and fees; a full 28 percent.

Offside (5 yards) Don’t think you can escape Big Brother’s watchful eye by heading to the bar. The government adds on 31 percent when dining out.

Delay of Game (5 yards) If you’re savoring a California wine to cheer on the 49ers, you’re not off the hook; 33 percent of the price of wine comes from government.

Intentional Grounding (10 yards) According to the National Retail Federation, 7.5 million households purchase a new TV for the big game, but the cable package that comes with that new flat screen isn’t cheap. Before you’ve even had a chance to change the channel to watch the Puppy Bowl, government bites off 43 percent of your cable bill.

Pass Interference (10 yards) Of the $1 billion in beer sales in the two weeks surrounding last year’s Super Bowl, a full 44 percent of the cost is due to government taxation.

Helmet-to-Helmet Contact (15 yards) Perhaps you’re one of the 17 million purchasing team apparel and accessories in advance of the game? Taxes and tariffs are going to run up the cost of your new jersey by 46 percent.

Roughing the Passer (15 yards) Taking shots each time your team scores? Government guzzles up a whopping 56 percent of the price of spirits.

Personal “Fowl” (15 yards or automatic first down) The National Chicken Council estimates 1.23 billion chicken wings will be eaten on Sunday, a number that is actually 12.3 million fewer than the previous Super Bowl. Why? Thank Big Brother again: Corn prices are driven skyward by the costly and destructive federal ethanol mandate, also known as the Renewable Fuel Standard. During last year’s drought this ate up the country’s corn crop and drove up prices, leaving little for chicken farmers. Meaning government is the only one getting its fill this Super Bowl Season.

 

 

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122 Responses to “Super Sunday Open, Taxable Consumables Edition”
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  1. heysoos
    1 | February 3, 2013 11:04 am

    Uncle Fed is into everything…unstoppable


  2. eaglesoars
    2 | February 3, 2013 11:05 am

    Hubby’s headed out to pick up some Popeye’s red beans and rice and spicy chicken for me -- he’s going to be at a bar w/some of his buddies.

    Ok, I’ve been saving this. I cancelled our NYT subscription awhile ago but we buy it sometimes on Sunday. Last Sunday, there was a hilarious letter in the advice column. The answer was even better.

    Ready? Ok. Enjoy (all typos are mine)

    —————————

    I live on a suburban road. About a mile from me, a Confederate flag flies in the side yard of a house. The owner flies many small American flags in the front yard. But the Confederate flag bothers me as a symbol of slavery and segregation, and I suspect that people like me are not welcome there. I stopped to say something, but no one answered the door. What do you make of this?

    John, Lenoir City, Tenn

    Let’s wait a sec before we call in Djano and Quentin Tarantino (and the 34 cubic tons of fake blood that go hand-in-hand with unchaining them). I would never fly a Confederate flag for the reasons you suggest. But it sounds as if you may be describing a flag collector, not a white supremacist. Surely there’s a difference between displaying a multitude of American flags, including one Confederate model shunted off to the side lawn, and hanging one from the tippity top of a municipal building.
    But who am I to rob you of your feelings – or to prevent you an awkward meeting between neighbors? If the flag really bothers you, visit again. Start with a pleasant introduction: Hi, I’m John. I live about a mile down the road.” Then move onto disclaimer and polite request: “I have no right to tell you what to do in your own yard. But I’d appreciate it if you could rethink that Confederate flag.” Now for flattery and the big finish: I’m sure you don’t mean it as a paean to slavery or segregation. But it hurts me when I drive by.”
    If the neighbors refuse to remove it, excuse yourself politely and use MapQuest to find alternate driving routes. If they agree (or offer to think about it), thank them and move along. Perhaps they will alter their display. But even if not, you will have given a stranger the benefit of the doubt and expressed your beliefs in a way that you can be proud of.

    NYT Social Q’s Philip Galanes Jan 27 2013


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | February 3, 2013 11:06 am

    individual liberty, smaller govt, state’s rights.

    everything else just feeds the fedgov beast.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | February 3, 2013 11:08 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    amazing. simply out of touch nyc/nyt amazing.


  5. buzzsawmonkey
    5 | February 3, 2013 11:11 am

    I am proud to be one of the Americans for whom the Super Bowl is a complete non-event. Groundhog Day has more significance—and I ignore that, too.


  6. eaglesoars
    6 | February 3, 2013 11:13 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    expressed your beliefs in a way that you can be proud of.

    This was my fave

    expressed your beliefs in a way that you can be proud of.

    I just rolled…………


  7. EBL
    7 | February 3, 2013 11:14 am

    It is a good thing I do not care about either team, you just spoiled the game for me!


  8. huckfunn
    8 | February 3, 2013 11:15 am

    More football follies: Energy Department loan recipient teams up with 49ers to help build new ‘green’ stadium.
    Groan.


  9. 9 | February 3, 2013 11:16 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’m with you. It is just a game.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | February 3, 2013 11:18 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    expressed your beliefs in a way that you can be proud of.
    This was my fave
    expressed your beliefs in a way that you can be proud of.
    I just rolled…………

    :lol:

    mrs colwarrior is still laughing at that post.


  11. Bumr50
    11 | February 3, 2013 11:19 am

    Bloomberg’s Super Bowl Ad For Background Checks In Gun Sales To Air In DC

    Why DC?

    Here’s what you have to do to get a gun there ALREADY:

    MILLER: The new guide to getting a gun in D.C.


  12. eaglesoars
    12 | February 3, 2013 11:20 am

    Hiya mrs cw!


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | February 3, 2013 11:20 am

    @ huckfunn:

    i like what they are doing there. that is a lot of space that can be used to make energy and save water, these are good things, but really, the WAY its done is bad, billions down a sink hole.


  14. Tanker
    14 | February 3, 2013 11:20 am

    RayLewisRayLewisRayLewisRayLewisRayLewisRayLewis

    God, please let this be over and I never hear that name again. I know I’m asking for much!


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | February 3, 2013 11:21 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Hiya mrs cw!

    *tips a cuppa russian caravan tea at ya!*


  16. eaglesoars
    16 | February 3, 2013 11:22 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Why DC?

    That’s the advertising market district. Bloomberg’s target is Virginia -- which is part and parcel of the DC market. He’s ranted that we have to change our gun laws here for years (DC did also until Heller).

    We just politely tell them to go piss up a rope


  17. 17 | February 3, 2013 11:23 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I am proud to be one of the Americans for whom the Super Bowl is a complete non-event. Groundhog Day has more significance—and I ignore that, too.

    Heritic… Burn his steak…. :twisted:


  18. 18 | February 3, 2013 11:24 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I’m with you. It is just a game.

    Burn his steak too… :twisted:


  19. coldwarrior
    19 | February 3, 2013 11:26 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    I am proud to be one of the Americans for whom the Super Bowl is a complete non-event. Groundhog Day has more significance—and I ignore that, too.

    Heritic… Burn his steak….

    especially for not paying attention to punxsutawney phil!

    *whoops up riotous, pitch fork and torch armed serfs*


  20. eaglesoars
    20 | February 3, 2013 11:27 am

    Oh cripes. Another media-driven guilt by association smear by the MSM.

    “Alabama’s hostage taker is reportedly a survivalist. Anderson Cooper looks at the hidden world of the ‘preppers’ ”

    If/when TSHTF guess who won’t be welcome at my well-stocked house?


  21. coldwarrior
    21 | February 3, 2013 11:28 am

    Tanker wrote:

    RayLewisRayLewisRayLewisRayLewisRayLewisRayLewis
    God, please let this be over and I never hear that name again. I know I’m asking for much!

    your doing it wrong :lol:

    RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS! RAY LEWIS!


  22. huckfunn
    22 | February 3, 2013 11:29 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    i like what they are doing there. that is a lot of space that can be used to make energy and save water, these are good things, but really, the WAY its done is bad, billions down a sink hole.

    Whenever the greeniacs try to sell me the “green” thing, my gag reflexes kick in. By the time they get their “green” stadium built the budget will have been busted by a factor of 2 or 3, half of the nifty crap won’t work or will be obsolete, the price of a ticket will unaffordable (already is) and and the players will be wearing tutus.


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | February 3, 2013 11:30 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Whenever the greeniacs try to sell me the “green” thing, my gag reflexes kick in. By the time they get their “green” stadium built the budget will have been busted by a factor of 2 or 3, half of the nifty crap won’t work or will be obsolete, the price of a ticket will unaffordable (already is) and and the players will be wearing tutus.

    yep. i like the idea tho, if it didnt have the govt involved.

    especially with water. that is gonna be a real biggie down the road


  24. buzzsawmonkey
    24 | February 3, 2013 11:32 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Well, since I keep kosher, and pork sausages are mandatory for Ground Hog Day…


  25. eaglesoars
    25 | February 3, 2013 11:33 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    water. that is gonna be a real biggie down the road

    It’s a biggie now. Not just here in the US but globally. Aquifers are being depleted all over the place.


  26. coldwarrior
    26 | February 3, 2013 11:34 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Well, since I keep kosher, and pork sausages are mandatory for Ground Hog Day…

    you could have chicken wings.


  27. Bumr50
    27 | February 3, 2013 11:35 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    if it didnt have the govt involved.

    That really drives them crazy.

    The Boy Scouts decided to accept gays on their own, and now the atheist have moved in. Real quick. Like flies on crap.

    They’re not happy unless people are being forced to do things against their will.


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | February 3, 2013 11:35 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    water. that is gonna be a real biggie down the road
    It’s a biggie now. Not just here in the US but globally. Aquifers are being depleted all over the place.

    this is a legitimate security issue. the water wars are coming.


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | February 3, 2013 11:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    you could have chicken wings.

    Not “ground hog,” though, strictly speaking…


  30. huckfunn
    30 | February 3, 2013 11:37 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    especially with water. that is gonna be a real biggie down the road

    eaglesoars wrote:

    It’s a biggie now. Not just here in the US but globally. Aquifers are being depleted all over the place.

    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.


  31. coldwarrior
    31 | February 3, 2013 11:38 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    that’s better, format fixed.


  32. eaglesoars
    32 | February 3, 2013 11:38 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    this is a legitimate security issue. the water wars are coming.

    Believe it or not, I’m doing research for a book Hubby is writing on food/water as national security issue.

    Right now, I’m focusing on food -- or lack thereof -- used as a weapon


  33. 33 | February 3, 2013 11:39 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    especially with water. that is gonna be a real biggie down the road
    eaglesoars wrote:
    It’s a biggie now. Not just here in the US but globally. Aquifers are being depleted all over the place.
    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.

    There are no water problems, just corrupt career criminal politician problems.


  34. coldwarrior
    34 | February 3, 2013 11:40 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    you could have chicken wings.
    Not “ground hog,” though, strictly speaking…

    certainly not. the beer served is also kosher. except this year it WAS on Shabbat. so you get a pass…THIS TIME!

    :lol:


  35. 35 | February 3, 2013 11:42 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    you could have chicken wings.
    Not “ground hog,” though, strictly speaking…

    certainly not. the beer served is also kosher. except this year it WAS on Shabbat. so you get a pass…THIS TIME!

    I live in California… Please explain what this “Ground Hog Day” thing you two speak of is???


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | February 3, 2013 11:42 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.

    yep


  37. eaglesoars
    37 | February 3, 2013 11:43 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.

    Well, to be honest, I don’t get the connection between wind turbines and water. Desalination can help.

    We need better irrigation methods and there is a lot of research being done on the gene modification side for draught resistance.

    The organic people aren’t going to be happy -- in general it takes 3x the land for the equivalent non-organic yield -- which means 3x the water.


  38. coldwarrior
    38 | February 3, 2013 11:43 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    you could have chicken wings.
    Not “ground hog,” though, strictly speaking…
    certainly not. the beer served is also kosher. except this year it WAS on Shabbat. so you get a pass…THIS TIME!

    I live in California… Please explain what this “Ground Hog Day” thing you two speak of is???

    HEATHEN!!! :lol:

    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/02/01/groundhog-day-2013-oot/


  39. 39 | February 3, 2013 11:44 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.
    yep

    We can’t build desalinization plants in California, the Enviro-Nazi’s won’t let us. :sad:


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | February 3, 2013 11:44 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    There are no water problems, just corrupt career criminal politician problems.

    there are both.


  41. heysoos
    41 | February 3, 2013 11:45 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.
    yep

    We can’t build desalinization plants in California, the Enviro-Nazi’s won’t let us.

    highspeed trains to nowhere are much more important


  42. 42 | February 3, 2013 11:45 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    We need better irrigation methods and there is a lot of research being done on the gene modification side for draught resistance.

    No we don’t, we already have them, people just need to use them.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | February 3, 2013 11:45 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The organic people aren’t going to be happy — in general it takes 3x the land for the equivalent non-organic yield — which means 3x the water.

    organic, farming as it was when there was regular starvation and famine


  44. eaglesoars
    44 | February 3, 2013 11:46 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    There are no water problems, just corrupt career criminal politician problems.

    Did you see that piece about the world’s tallest building not having a municpal sewage hookup? In Dubai, I think? All the poop has to be trucked to a landfill.

    It wasn’t an oversight in construction. They don’t have the water. Also, if they had 2 synapses to rub together, they’d sterilize the stuff and sell it for fertilizer. As it is, it will polute all the land and whatever water table they’ve got.


  45. 45 | February 3, 2013 11:47 am

    heysoos wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.
    yep
    We can’t build desalinization plants in California, the Enviro-Nazi’s won’t let us.

    highspeed trains to nowhere are much more important

    Na, the Enviro-Nazi’s aren’t going to allow that to be built either, it’s a Ponzi scheme.


  46. huckfunn
    46 | February 3, 2013 11:47 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    There are no water problems, just corrupt career criminal politician problems.

    I’m pretty sure that both are problems. T-Bone Pickens has been buying up water rights in Texas for years.


  47. heysoos
    47 | February 3, 2013 11:48 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.
    yep
    We can’t build desalinization plants in California, the Enviro-Nazi’s won’t let us.
    highspeed trains to nowhere are much more important

    Na, the Enviro-Nazi’s aren’t going to allow that to be built either, it’s a Ponzi scheme.

    just comparing necessity to actual need….CA is an odd place


  48. coldwarrior
    48 | February 3, 2013 11:48 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    oh my.


  49. eaglesoars
    49 | February 3, 2013 11:49 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    No we don’t, we already have them, people just need to use them.

    Correct, sloppy writing on my part.

    If people had to actually PAY for water according to market forces, they’d be screaming more than they do about gasoline for their cars. For myself, I’m researching harvesting rainwater for our house.

    It’s just a good knowledge base to have, I think.


  50. 50 | February 3, 2013 11:50 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    There are no water problems, just corrupt career criminal politician problems.
    I’m pretty sure that both are problems. T-Bone Pickens has been buying up water rights in Texas for years.

    Yea, bout ole T-Bone, he also thought he was going to corner the market on Windmills (he lost his ASS)… T-Bone=Don Quixote… :twisted:


  51. 51 | February 3, 2013 11:51 am

    heysoos wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    If the research dollars could go into desalination projects rather than biofools and windmills, a lot of the water problems could be solved.
    yep
    We can’t build desalinization plants in California, the Enviro-Nazi’s won’t let us.
    highspeed trains to nowhere are much more important
    Na, the Enviro-Nazi’s aren’t going to allow that to be built either, it’s a Ponzi scheme.

    just comparing necessity to actual need….CA is an odd place

    ROTFLMAO… aint that the truth.


  52. eaglesoars
    52 | February 3, 2013 11:53 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    organic, farming as it was when there was regular starvation and famine

    What I get a kick out of is organic cosmetics and textiles. The original regs clearly stated that they were to be applied to products for human consumption. I spent 6 mos trying to stop that nonsense, but there is too much money to be made with that marketing, so I lost that argument.


  53. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | February 3, 2013 11:54 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Did you see that piece about the world’s tallest building not having a municpal sewage hookup? In Dubai, I think? All the poop has to be trucked to a landfill.

    It wasn’t an oversight in construction. They don’t have the water. Also, if they had 2 synapses to rub together, they’d sterilize the stuff and sell it for fertilizer. As it is, it will polute all the land and whatever water table they’ve got.

    You’d think it would occur to someone to devise a sewage flushing system, including processing plant, which uses salt water, since Dubai is right there on the coast.

    And you’d think that, yes, they’d use the waste material to build topsoil on the surrounding desert so that, with a hefty desalination plant and some drip irrigation, they’d make their little portion of the desert bloom. But, of course, drip irrigation was pioneered by the Israelis—so that’s probably off the map for them.


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | February 3, 2013 11:55 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    If people had to actually PAY for water according to market forces, they’d be screaming more than they do about gasoline for their cars. For myself, I’m researching harvesting rainwater for our house.

    It’s just a good knowledge base to have, I think.

    where my parents live, cisterns fed by rainwater are fairly common. it is amazing how much water can be drained into one from just the house and a few out buildings. most folks use the water for dishes and laundry and such and keep the cistern topped off for when the well goes bad.

    there are rain barrels that actually filter the water and make it drinkable, which is fine for small scale. water storage will be a problem in your area. cisterns aint small.


  55. huckfunn
    55 | February 3, 2013 11:56 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Yea, bout ole T-Bone, he also thought he was going to corner the market on Windmills (he lost his ASS)… T-Bone=Don Quixote…

    Yep. But he hit this water deal out of the park.


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | February 3, 2013 11:57 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    shhhh…dont let the sand ticks know that stuff. mono-economies always fail utterly. dont give them ideas on how to diversify!


  57. buzzsawmonkey
    57 | February 3, 2013 11:58 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    where my parents live, cisterns fed by rainwater are fairly common. it is amazing how much water can be drained into one from just the house and a few out buildings. most folks use the water for dishes and laundry and such and keep the cistern topped off for when the well goes bad.

    there are rain barrels that actually filter the water and make it drinkable, which is fine for small scale. water storage will be a problem in your area. cisterns aint small.

    I read recently that—some government agency or agencies—-the EPA, I think, but I’m not positive now—was going after people both for permitting rainwater to run off their property and for trying to catch and collect it for their own use.

    I forget the details, but I’d bet that the stories would turn up in a search.


  58. 58 | February 3, 2013 11:59 am

    Tea Party Community. New site here, seems to be kinda like Facebook for conservatives.


  59. coldwarrior
    59 | February 3, 2013 12:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I read recently that—some government agency or agencies—-the EPA, I think, but I’m not positive now—was going after people both for permitting rainwater to run off their property and for trying to catch and collect it for their own use.

    somewhere in oregon i think. local issue, wasnt feds.

    that would start a freakin’ war here if they tried that.


  60. heysoos
    60 | February 3, 2013 12:02 pm

    I can’t think of a better example of how precarious this western drought is for than the middle Rio Grande valley….there are about a million people between Espanola, just north of Santa Fe and Belen about 20mi south of Albuquerque…all the potable water comes from the river and if you see the mighty Rio Grande, you’ll see it’s barely knee deep most of the time…and the rich ribbons of agriculture along the river irrigate all summer…it bare ever rains down here so we rely on the snow pack up in Colorado…besides the Percos, there is very little drainage into the Rio Grande…a couple of mild winters in a row and we might be royally screwed…the vast aquifer under the river is way too acidic or alkaline (I forget which)t be considered usable…NM is the fifth biggest state in the union and that’s basically the only water we have


  61. eaglesoars
    61 | February 3, 2013 12:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    which uses salt water

    You’d have to get the salt out -- it would ruin the infrastructure. But they have the technology -- it ain’t new.

    The arabs aren’t gardeners -- they’re shephards. They’d as soon lose their sand as they would their sky. In our hood over the years we’ve had lots -- I’d say 12 -- neighbors from the middle east. Know how I can tell even without seeing them?

    Their yards are crap. Even the rose bushes they grow are crap.

    coldwarrior wrote:

    water storage will be a problem in your area. cisterns aint small.

    Not only that -- homeowners assoc would never allow it for cosmetic reasons. It’s proving challenging. If I just wanted it for watering the outside plants, that’s easy. But potable water for emergency outages -- not so straightforward.


  62. Bumr50
    63 | February 3, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I was watching “Aerial America” fly over Hawaii last night, and learned that property owners whose land was extended via coastline lava floes did NOT have claim to the new land.

    Instead it belongs to the State.

    The narrator said this like it was a good thing.


  63. heysoos
    64 | February 3, 2013 12:04 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    where my parents live, cisterns fed by rainwater are fairly common. it is amazing how much water can be drained into one from just the house and a few out buildings. most folks use the water for dishes and laundry and such and keep the cistern topped off for when the well goes bad.
    there are rain barrels that actually filter the water and make it drinkable, which is fine for small scale. water storage will be a problem in your area. cisterns aint small.
    I read recently that—some government agency or agencies—-the EPA, I think, but I’m not positive now—was going after people both for permitting rainwater to run off their property and for trying to catch and collect it for their own use.
    I forget the details, but I’d bet that the stories would turn up in a search.

    southern CA somewhere…runoff from your roof belongs to the state


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | February 3, 2013 12:04 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    homeowners assoc would never allow it for cosmetic reasons.

    One of the reasons my sister searched long and hard when shopping for property to find a piece that was not subject to a homeowners’ association.


  65. eaglesoars
    66 | February 3, 2013 12:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    not subject to a homeowners’ association.

    There’s good and bad. On the whole we like it because we’ve had some neighbors who, if they had their druthers, would have painted their garage/outside trim w/graffiti-style rap lyrics. Also, you DO have to keep the lawn mowed.

    It’s a nice, pretty place that’s well-maintained so -- pick yer poison.


  66. coldwarrior
    67 | February 3, 2013 12:07 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Here ya go. Man jailed for collecting rainwater in illegal reservoirs on his property

    “What we’re after is compliance…”

    perfect…living in the ever shrinking box of compliance, one day you have the permits, next you are a criminal. effin bureaucrats


  67. coldwarrior
    68 | February 3, 2013 12:08 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    NM is the fifth biggest state in the union and that’s basically the only water we have

    is called a desert for a reason.

    ;)


  68. buzzsawmonkey
    69 | February 3, 2013 12:09 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I was watching “Aerial America” fly over Hawaii last night, and learned that property owners whose land was extended via coastline lava floes did NOT have claim to the new land.

    Instead it belongs to the State.

    The narrator said this like it was a good thing.

    Interesting: Chicago comes to Hawaii.

    There’s an area of Chicago known as “Streeterville,” on the lake between the northern end of Grant Park and the start of the Gold Coast. That land was created by an adventurer named “Cap” Streeter, whose boat ran aground there. A sandbar formed around the boat, and Streeter invited contractors and others to dump additional rubbish around the sandbar. He created a whole new land area, which was claimed by the property owners on the original shoreline as part of their riparian rights. Streeter claimed “squatter’s rights” to the land, and invited a ragtag of additional squatters to live on his land and help him defend it.


  69. eaglesoars
    70 | February 3, 2013 12:12 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Here ya go. Man jailed for collecting rainwater in illegal reservoirs on his property

    We’re aware of that case. Apparently, it’s not as straightforward as that articles make it appear and we’re still trying to get the details.

    We’ve seen laws like this in other places, but usually they have a history of draught and are trying to avoid vigilante water wars. Oregon doesn’t have that problem tho -- the place is a friggin rain forest.


  70. coldwarrior
    71 | February 3, 2013 12:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    he isnt damming any streams, and eventually, the ponds get filled and the overflow goes downstream. he just created a buffer.

    like ya said about oregon being a rain forest, this is all about

    COMPLIANCE!


  71. eaglesoars
    72 | February 3, 2013 12:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    the EPA, I think, but I’m not positive now—was going after people both for permitting rainwater to run off

    That was here in Virginia and the EPA ran head-first into our Attorney General, Ken Cuccinelli who just whupped ‘em in court. The argument from the EPA was that the runoff carried sediment which made the water ‘dirty’ so they had jusridiction under the Clean Air and Water Act.

    They would have thrown people out of their homes and cost the state millions in order to return the land to ‘natural meadow’.


  72. 73 | February 3, 2013 12:16 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    he isnt damming any streams, and eventually, the ponds get filled and the overflow goes downstream. he just created a buffer.
    like ya said about oregon being a rain forest, this is all about
    COMPLIANCE!

    Yup, Oregon is one of the most Marxist liberal states in the Union.


  73. 74 | February 3, 2013 12:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Oregon doesn’t have that problem tho — the place is a friggin rain forest.

    I have family on the southern coast of Oregon. They get 120″ of rain between mid-October & mid-April.


  74. 75 | February 3, 2013 12:19 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:

    Yup, Oregon is one of the most Marxist liberal states in the Union.

    Very true for parts of the state. Portland, of course. Salem. Other parts are fairly conservative. Too bad more people who think like that aren’t there to take control from the leftists.


  75. eaglesoars
    76 | February 3, 2013 12:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    like ya said about oregon being a rain forest, this is all about
    COMPLIANCE!

    I’m not sure. This guy has collected so much water, it could be impacting the local hydrology. I’ve looked into it on a catch-as-I-can basis and still don’t have a good picture. I’m pretty sure tho that it’s not his water collection that is the issue -- it’s the amount of water he’s collected. Someone somehwere thinks it’s harming something downstream.


  76. eaglesoars
    77 | February 3, 2013 12:21 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    I have family on the southern coast of Oregon. They get 120″ of rain between mid-October & mid-April.

    ugh. how’s the suicide rate?


  77. buzzsawmonkey
    78 | February 3, 2013 12:21 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Someone somehwere thinks it’s harming something downstream.

    Save the snail darters!


  78. eaglesoars
    79 | February 3, 2013 12:24 pm

    have to take care of Molly the Beagle for a bit -- meds, etc. BBL


  79. coldwarrior
    80 | February 3, 2013 12:26 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    ah. not so clear in the article.


  80. 81 | February 3, 2013 12:29 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    No clue on the suicide rate. I can see how it’d get old, pretty fast though. Been so long since we had real rain around here I’d forgotten about that side effect.


  81. huckfunn
    82 | February 3, 2013 12:35 pm

    Obanga


  82. buzzsawmonkey
    83 | February 3, 2013 12:40 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Obama is an expert Marx-man.


  83. huckfunn
    84 | February 3, 2013 12:42 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Haw!


  84. coldwarrior
    85 | February 3, 2013 12:44 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    BWAHAHAHAAA!!!!


  85. waldensianspirit
    86 | February 3, 2013 12:51 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Extra funny how they are telling people not to photoshop it. … … … yet they have no problem photoshopping when it suits their fancy


  86. huckfunn
    87 | February 3, 2013 12:52 pm

    Here’s the guy who killed Chris Kyle.


  87. eaglesoars
    88 | February 3, 2013 12:56 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Here’s the guy who killed Chris Kyle.

    Edie Ray should have given this a bit more thought -- it’s TEXAS fer chrissake.


  88. huckfunn
    89 | February 3, 2013 1:00 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Here’s the guy who killed Chris Kyle.

    Edie Ray should have given this a bit more thought — it’s TEXAS fer chrissake.

    The story that’s developing is that Routh has PTSD and was somewhat unhinged. Real sad deal.


  89. eaglesoars
    90 | February 3, 2013 1:02 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    The story that’s developing is that Routh has PTSD and was somewhat unhinged. Real sad deal.

    Yeah I know and it is sad. But I doubt a Texas jury is going to lose much sleep.


  90. darkwords
    91 | February 3, 2013 1:46 pm

    @ 9 Iron Fist:
    It’s akin to a holiday here.

    Competitive Soda Pop ad banned at the superbowl


  91. song_and_dance_man
    92 | February 3, 2013 1:52 pm

    I found this fairly funny.

    Drudge Headline:

    CHICAGOLAND: Cops Shut Down Prostitution ‘House Of Horrors’…

    Link

    First comment in linked story:

    When I first read the headline on Drudge, I thot[sic] they had shut down Chicago’s city hall.


  92. 93 | February 3, 2013 1:55 pm

    Oh… And today is a good day to dust this treasure off…

    Doriangrey’s Seven alarm Salsa, or when wimpy Salsa just isn’t an option.

    Don’t be macho and follow the receipt if you are not used to really hot salsa, it’s ok to leave out the Habanero and Jalapeno Peppers.


  93. darkwords
    94 | February 3, 2013 1:58 pm

    @ 41 heysoos: Seattle is installing light rail systems that only travel 10 block -- 20 blocks with no connections. i think because they think the bus system pollutes too much.

    Washington state has built two major bridges that have collapsed due to the force of nature.

    Washington state tried to build 4 nuclear power plants but low balled the installation so bad that corrupt people with no inspection built it of zone. Only the lawyers got rich.

    The city of seattle bought automatic street toilets that the street people turned into daytime brothels. They sold them to Oregon.

    The governor insists on building a 4 billion dollar tunnel in seattle to replace something that could be replaced for 500 million dollars.

    They promised they could control costs and that made the low info voter happy, but now that the deal is sealed they have come back to the peoples bank saying they need to place $4 tolls on all major roads around seattle to pay for transportation projects.

    Transportation projects are the bread and butter of liberal greed. Unions gone sour.

    In comparison the other big disaster in the state Mt. St. Helens seems fairly benign when weighed against the effects of the low income voter.


  94. Bumr50
    95 | February 3, 2013 2:01 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I remember working at a distribution warehouse for a vending company for a short time, and the skids that the Coke and Pepsi products came on were completely incompatible as far as forklifting went.

    You had to get off and change the fork locations on your lift.


  95. darkwords
    96 | February 3, 2013 2:03 pm

    @ 90 eaglesoars: plenty of people with PTSD that don’t go out and kill people. Plenty of them who cope and work and have jobs and endure. This was a person with a weak character.

    I wouldn’t mind it if the treatment was a 2 year vacation on the beach with some counseling for those that wanted it. Make it cheap in Thailand.

    Emptiness like that can only be filled by love. not by a Fed. A dog can do it. A cat can do it. Mother nature can do it. God can do it. A fed will never do it.


  96. eaglesoars
    97 | February 3, 2013 2:04 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    The city of seattle bought automatic street toilets that the street people turned into daytime brothels. They sold them to Oregon.

    Ok, I know I shouldn’t laugh but…………….


  97. darkwords
    98 | February 3, 2013 2:04 pm

    @ 95 Bumr50: yes massively irritating. Like compaq computer having to use specialized screws to seal their pc cases. It was a good reason to buy something else.


  98. eaglesoars
    99 | February 3, 2013 2:05 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    A dog can do it.

    I watched a video last week about a campanion dog for a PTSD guy -- can’t remember where -- it was a black female lab

    In my opinion, dogs can do just about anything……..


  99. Calo
    100 | February 3, 2013 2:05 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Recipe, not receipt.

    Autocorrect is evil.


  100. darkwords
    101 | February 3, 2013 2:09 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    City Councilman Richard Conlin, who voted in favor of acquiring the toilets in 2001, agreed.

    “They haven’t worked out the way we’d hoped. … We’re going to have to go back to the drawing board,” he said.

    The councilman is still active. Just a poor poor choice and waste of money. Show someones thinking is not reality based.


  101. darkwords
    102 | February 3, 2013 2:11 pm

    @ Calo:

    http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/ I laughed a lot. But my auto corrects usually raise hackles on someone instead of laughs.


  102. eaglesoars
    103 | February 3, 2013 2:12 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    . Plenty of them who cope and work and have jobs and endure. This was a person with a weak character.

    I dunno. I’m not qualified to have an opinion about that. Oddly enough, Hubby was telling me about something that happened when he was about 10 -- 60 some yrs ago -- in their small farming community in upstate NY. One of their neighbors who had seen a lot of combat in WW II -- from North Africa all the way to VE day -- came home changed -- reserved sullen -- 5 yrs later he killed all 3 kids, his wife and himself.

    You just never know.


  103. 104 | February 3, 2013 2:14 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Recipe, not receipt.
    Autocorrect is evil.

    Fricken frachen fricken frack… :twisted:


  104. eaglesoars
    105 | February 3, 2013 2:17 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    The councilman is still active

    Yeah, but who are the idiots in Oregon that BOUGHT them??!!


  105. 106 | February 3, 2013 2:17 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Recipe, not receipt.
    Autocorrect is evil.

    Oh… And if you’re going to make that Salsa, I will be needing a signed release of liability stating that I am in no way responsible for any damages… :shock:


  106. Calo
    107 | February 3, 2013 2:23 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Link worked. :evil:


  107. eaglesoars
    108 | February 3, 2013 2:25 pm

    off to do some reading….be good -- or very very bad


  108. darkwords
    109 | February 3, 2013 2:27 pm

    What hipsters east on Superbowl sunday.

    Christine Lu ‏@christinelu
    …the closet hipster in me just bought an overpriced bag of black truffle and white cheddar popcorn at whole foods. •_•


  109. Bumr50
    110 | February 3, 2013 2:28 pm

    Yesterday, the New York Times reported that the “biggest donors in the Republican Party” have joined forces with Karl Rove and Steven J. Law, president of American Crossroads, to create the Conservative Victory Project. The Times reports that this new group will dedicate itself to “recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party’s effort to win control of the Senate.” The group points to candidates like Christine O’Donnell in Delaware and Richard Mourdock in Indiana as examples of Tea Party primary picks going sideways in major Senatorial battles.

    Fat white lump!

    ht -- Breitbart


  110. 111 | February 3, 2013 2:31 pm

    A ground water thread? Hmm…

    At least TGoP had the foresight to stock up on western movies for today… Ray who?


  111. 112 | February 3, 2013 2:40 pm

    BTW, and in case nobody here knows, today is “Savage”‘s birthday.


  112. RIX
    113 | February 3, 2013 3:01 pm

    LEFT @LeftSentThis

    Chris Kyle, former U.S. Navy SEAL sniper (who was responsible for 160 kills) was shot to death at a gun range. Ironic? Karma? Justice?
    7:40 AM -- 03 Feb 13
    9 RETWEETS 3 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite

    This is just a sample of what the Lefties are tweeting.
    They are a vile subset of humaniy.


  113. darkwords
    114 | February 3, 2013 3:39 pm

    @ 113 RIX: If there is karma and justice it will come home to roost on the OBama adminstration.


  114. darkwords
    115 | February 3, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    Happy Birthday savage. good timing.


  115. RIX
    116 | February 3, 2013 3:41 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 113 RIX: If there is karma and justice it will come home to roost on the OBama adminstration.

    Indeed.


  116. Da_Beerfreak
    117 | February 3, 2013 4:25 pm

    Where Oil and Water Do Mix:
    Environmental Scarcity
    and Future Conflict in the
    Middle East and North Africa

    “Many of the wars of the 20th century were about oil, but wars of the 21st
    century will be over water.”
    — Isamil Serageldin World Bank Vice President


  117. coldwarrior
    118 | February 3, 2013 4:33 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    its gonna be a major national security issue


  118. Da_Beerfreak
    119 | February 3, 2013 4:42 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    its gonna be a major national security issue

    That’s why I try to never miss an issue of Parameters.


  119. coldwarrior
    120 | February 3, 2013 4:43 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    its gonna be a major national security issue

    That’s why I try to never miss an issue of Parameters.

    every quarter.

    ;)


  120. Da_Beerfreak
    121 | February 3, 2013 4:47 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    its gonna be a major national security issue

    That’s why I try to never miss an issue of Parameters.

    every quarter.

    The email alerts when the new issue comes out is a nice touch… :wink:


  121. EBL
    122 | February 3, 2013 6:16 pm

    What’s on TV today?


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