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Looking At The Flip Side, As Instructed.

by Flyovercountry ( 199 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, Politics at February 4th, 2013 - 2:00 pm
Political Cartoons by Nate Beeler

Hat tip to Cynthia Catsman

Many times, I’ll be surprised with the direction of discussion that will follow one of my blog posts. Often times, one of the more minor points will become the main topic of conversation, or a new point will develop entirely, one that I had not thought about. Hence today’s post, which is now a third generation of that sort of thing stemming from two posts ago. I’ll give you the history, and the chance to catch up if you are at all interested. First, I wrote this, about the Obama Boom. It contained a link to here, which dealt with the rampant inflation experienced in Zimbabwe and drew parallels to President Obama’s current rhetoric and policy initiatives. In response to that essay, someone made an observation about jobs and hiring that involved a clear denunciation of jobs offered by McDonald’s specifically, as not being worthy of any who wished to actually work rather than exist on the public dole. That concept angered me, as it has for many years, so I wrote this essay as a response.

One of the comments that came out during the subsequent discussion for that essay was the call for covering the flip side of the free market coin. Specifically, how should we go about the business of making the world more fair, especially in regards to companies, “downsizing,” long term employees or practicing the already illegal technique of saving money by firing older employees and replacing them with cheaper younger employees? So, here we are, with my response to a legitimate concern. I am almost positive that my answer to those concerns will not be well received by the person raising them, but then, them’s the breaks.

As a small child growing up in West Virginia, I would often implore my parents to allow allow me to violate one of the boundaries set by attentive parents upon their children through use of the phrase, “it’s not fair.” The response from my parents has turned out to be the single truest thing that anybody has ever said to me. The response was so true and insightful as a matter of fact, I believe it should be etched in the stone archway to every elementary, middle, and high school across the country. It should be engraved on every building in every college campus within these United States. It should be taught in every economics class right along with the law of supply and demand. Are you ready? Here it is:

Life is not fair.

As Americans, we have all grown up with a sense of fair play being ingrained in our psyches, as our laws and founding principles are designed to treat all people equally within the law, and to eliminate special treatment depending upon social strata within our society. That equality of opportunity is however vastly different than equality of guaranteed outcomes. Equal treatment under the law is vastly different than what the concept of fair has been interpreted to mean by many people. What’s even beyond that however is the fact that any time the government, or any government for that matter has gone about the business of attempting to mandate fairness through legislation, the result is invariably a situation that is considerably worse, and many times worse for group being, “protected.”

Is it fair that some employers might discriminate based on factors that might seem shallow to the rest of a society that feels itself more enlightened? Probably not, but let’s look at the real results of our attempts to deal with that perceived inequity. We’ll use as a reference, our old friend Dr. Milton Friedman.

That’s an important note to make, and the lesson can be applied across so many different variations of this practice of legislating fairness.

The ultimate accomplishment of these fairness laws is to reduce to zero the economic cost of capricious behavior.

If for example, an employer wishes to fire more experienced help in order to replace them with younger labor, he faces an economic penalty if the older more experienced workers find employment with his competition, open their own businesses engaged in the same activity, utilize their talents elsewhere to improve the products and services in a way that the less experienced help might not know how to do, or use their connections to flat out steal business away from the original employer. Legislating fairness will only have the effect of eliminating those costs.

Usually, although not with our most recent recession, which has lasted a full four years, entrepreneurial start ups experience their greatest activity when unemployment spikes. The reason for this is that many people who lose their jobs who are more advanced in years often find it difficult to reenter the workforce. Coincidentally, this is also the same group to have a little capital tucked away, and also has the greatest level of experience and know how. Unfortunately, during the age of Obama, the number of these start up businesses has fallen to an all time low. We can thank the over zealous culture of regulation for that, but this is another topic entirely. The point is, that while it may not be fair to see more experienced people lose their jobs due to short sighted and shallow reasons, the answers lie in creating an environment that gives them the greatest chances for future success, and not in trying to legislate fairness into the equation.

No economic system is perfect. Capitalism should not be measured against Utopia, but against the other economic systems that exist.

Inequities can be pointed out in any economic system. Nothing is perfect, and further, perfection is not meant for this world. The lens of history is crystal clear on this point. The lot of the ordinary person has never been as bright as it has been in those nations that have allowed the maximum amount of personal liberty and freedom, both economically and socially. The lot of the ordinary person has never been so bleak as it has been in those nations that have imposed the greatest amounts of centralized control both economically and socially. The defending cry of centralized planners is always that they are defending the weak and down trodden. Yet, throughout history, time and again, their planning invariably results in greater amounts of hardship for the very masses they claim to care so much about. Is it rotten when bad things happen to good people? Of course it is, but the answer is to allow people the opportunity to rise above those hardships and to advance themselves to their desired social strata.

Harlan Sanders was 65 years old when he founded Kentucky Fried Chicken. He started the business almost immediately after his fourth bankruptcy, which he suffered after his employer forced him to leave the company because he was too old. One of the first people he hired in his new company was a man named Dave Thomas, fresh off of being fired from his job at a J.C. Penney’s Department Store. He later went on to found a small hamburger chain called Wendy’s. I am not saying that it does not suck to be fired, just that here in America, this is one of the places and systems that gives one the best chance to regroup and flourish after such an event.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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199 Responses to “Looking At The Flip Side, As Instructed.”
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  1. 1 | February 4, 2013 3:03 pm

    “Life is not fair, princess, anyone that tells you anything differently is trying to sell you something”, Dread Pirate Roberts/Wesley to Princess Buttercup.


  2. 2 | February 4, 2013 3:04 pm

    Life isn’t fair, and no amount of government interference can change that for the better. It can, however, make things worse. Stalin brought famine in th epersuit of equality, and the equality of misery to the Russian people as even the loftiest among the Politburo could be targets of the mad dictator’s paranoia. That is an equality we could do without. Likewise, though, is equality of oppertunity, really. Barack Obama and I are almost of an age, but he went to tony private schools and was moved along by benefactors who saw in him an oppertunity to produce a leading light for the Left. Does he really delude himself into believing that I had oppertunity equal to his? I doubt that he does. For all hi stalk of growing up in privation, he grew up in his Grandmother’s household, and she was a Bank Vice-President. Even when he lived in Indonesia, though, he lived a life of privilege. He wasn’t one of the Third World children who don’t get enough to eat every day.


  3. 3 | February 4, 2013 3:10 pm

    Just back from Vacation. Many what a game that was!


  4. 4 | February 4, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Life isn’t fair and the more people recognize that, the better.


  5. lobo91
    5 | February 4, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Does he really delude himself into believing that I had oppertunity equal to his? I doubt that he does.

    I don’t. He’s spent his entire life being force-fed leftist garbage, including the idea that there is some sort of institutional racism ingrained in American society.

    I have no doubt that he actually believes that he got where he is today based on his own superior abilities.


  6. brookly red
    6 | February 4, 2013 3:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Life isn’t fair and the more people recognize that, the better.

    /but that’s not fair!


  7. brookly red
    7 | February 4, 2013 3:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Does he really delude himself into believing that I had oppertunity equal to his? I doubt that he does.

    I don’t. He’s spent his entire life being force-fed leftist garbage, including the idea that there is some sort of institutional racism ingrained in American society.

    I have no doubt that he actually believes that he got where he is today based on his own superior abilities.

    but there is… it’s call liberalism.


  8. 8 | February 4, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ brookly red:

    A fair is a place they give ribbons to prize hogs…


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | February 4, 2013 3:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    iron fist has something for you.

    :lol:

    wrap your head in duct tape first, and wear goggles.


  10. lobo91
    10 | February 4, 2013 3:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Life isn’t fair and the more people recognize that, the better.
    /but that’s not fair!

    Too bad we’re going to see the exact opposite. The OWS crowd is just the tip of the iceberg. We have an entire generation that was raised on the notion that they’re all “special,” competition is bad, and that you get a trophy (or a degree) for just showing up.


  11. 11 | February 4, 2013 3:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I have no doubt that he actually believes that he got where he is today based on his own superior abilities.

    Then he’s delusional. Of course, he is a narcissist, so maybe he is that delusional.


  12. coldwarrior
    12 | February 4, 2013 3:18 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    “Life is not fair, princess, anyone that tells you anything differently is trying to sell you something”, Dread Pirate Roberts/Wesley to Princess Buttercup.

    arrrrrrr!!!!!


  13. lobo91
    13 | February 4, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Not that Barack Obama has ever experienced what most of us would consider “American society,” anyway.


  14. brookly red
    14 | February 4, 2013 3:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    A fair is a place they give ribbons to prize hogs…

    in the city we call it congress…


  15. lobo91
    15 | February 4, 2013 3:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I have no doubt that he actually believes that he got where he is today based on his own superior abilities.
    Then he’s delusional. Of course, he is a narcissist, so maybe he is that delusional.

    He’s a politician, so that goes without saying.

    Everything I’ve ever heard about him indicates that he actually believes that he’s the smartest person in any room, and that he’s fulfilling some destiny to remake America. Half the country believes it, too.


  16. 16 | February 4, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ lobo91:

    ncluding the idea that there is some sort of institutional racism ingrained in American society.

    That is at the heart of Obama’s worldview.


  17. 17 | February 4, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He believes his own hype.


  18. lobo91
    18 | February 4, 2013 3:29 pm

    Speaking of the smartest person in the room, Obama missed yet another budget deadline today, while making a campaign stop in Minneapolis:

    Obama Misses Legal Deadline To Submit A Budget, White House Says They Have No Idea When Or If He Plans To Release One…

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday that he had no updates on when President Barack Obama will release his budget for the next fiscal year.

    “I don’t have an update on the President’s budget,” Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One as the president travels to Minneapolis to discuss his gun control proposals when asked when Obama will submit his spending plan to Congress. The deadline for submitting his budget for fiscal year 2014 is Monday, February 4, 2013 under the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921.


  19. 19 | February 4, 2013 3:31 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Laws are fo rthe Little People. He’s the Sun King. We should be thanking him for ruling us… :roll:


  20. lobo91
    20 | February 4, 2013 3:40 pm

    Is this the same “consensus” they always talk about with regard to “global warming”?

    Obama claims ‘consensus’ forming around gun control proposals

    President Obama claimed Monday that a “consensus” is forming around the kinds of “common-sense” gun control measures he’s pushing in Washington, in his first campaign-style stop as part of a second-term push for new firearms laws.

    The president spoke in Minnesota after holding a roundtable meeting on gun violence with officials at the Minneapolis Police Department’s Special Operations Center.

    Obama is expected to make more trips around the country to build support for his anti-gun violence measures. The outside group Organizing For Action, an offshoot of Obama’s presidential campaign, is also promoting the proposals.

    White House officials say quick action on the president’s gun measures gives them the best prospects for passing legislation in Congress. They fear that as time passes lawmakers will have less incentive to back the measures as the shock of the Newtown massacre fades.


  21. 21 | February 4, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    He is the lord and Savior according to Jamie Fox!


  22. 22 | February 4, 2013 3:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They fear that as time passes lawmakers will have less incentive to back the measures as the shock of the Newtown massacre fades.

    They are openly admitting that they are using raw emotion to pass laws that logic would not pass. They are dispicable. I certainly hope That the Republican House will stand strong here, though they haven’t stood strong on much of anything else. If they don’t, it’ll destroy the Republican Party. If they sell out on gun control, there really isn’t much reason left to vote for a Republican in national elections.


  23. 23 | February 4, 2013 3:44 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I certainly hope That the Republican House will stand strong here, though they haven’t stood strong on much of anything else. If they don’t, it’ll destroy the Republican Party. If they sell out on gun control, there really isn’t much reason left to vote for a Republican in national elections.

    They will not sell out on guns. They know if they did, they would be out of business.


  24. coldwarrior
    24 | February 4, 2013 3:44 pm

    @ lobo91:

    racial hire dont need to listen to no honky assed deadline, suckah.


  25. lobo91
    25 | February 4, 2013 3:45 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t think it’ll even get through the Senate, at least not the crap that Feinstein wants. If they break that monstrosity up into individual pieces, one or two parts of it might pass.


  26. RIX
    26 | February 4, 2013 3:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Not that Barack Obama has ever experienced what most of us would consider “American society,” anyway.

    I don’t consider Obama culturally American and I don’t think that he does either.
    His allegiance is not to America as it is, but to the one that he is building.


  27. RIX
    27 | February 4, 2013 3:50 pm

    Piers Morgan ✔ @piersmorgan

    Got to laugh at Ravens being declared ‘World Champions’ of a competition only American teams enter… #Superbowl
    4:19 AM -- 04 Feb 13
    6,039 RETWEETS 1,539 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite

    Right, because they didn’t play the Montreal Alouettes/


  28. 28 | February 4, 2013 3:51 pm

    @ lobo91:

    There are two things that might get through: a ban on hi-capacity magazines and the “universal” background check, though how they will implement the latter is the real devil in the details. They really can’t enforce that without “universal” gun registration (and even then, criminals will simply ignore the law). I don’t see that getting through even this Senate, though I know that if the Dems take the House in 2014, Obama will be back with Feinstein’s wish-list in 2015. We have to hop ethat that doesn’t happen, and we have th hope that they get nothing out of this push.


  29. RIX
    29 | February 4, 2013 3:55 pm

    Department of Energy promised most energy efficient Super Bowl ever

    By Doug Powers • February 4, 2013 10:09 AM
    **Written by Doug Powers
    Not long before the power outage at the Superdome that delayed the game for over 30 minutes, the Department of Energy took a moment to remind everybody that they were about to witness the greenest, most energy efficient Super Bowl in history:

    This joke writes itself.


  30. coldwarrior
    30 | February 4, 2013 4:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Department of Energy promised most energy efficient Super Bowl ever
    By Doug Powers • February 4, 2013 10:09 AM
    **Written by Doug Powers
    Not long before the power outage at the Superdome that delayed the game for over 30 minutes, the Department of Energy took a moment to remind everybody that they were about to witness the greenest, most energy efficient Super Bowl in history:
    This joke writes itself.

    :lol:


  31. lobo91
    31 | February 4, 2013 4:05 pm

    The gun control push isn’t all based on emotion. Some of it’s based on ignorance:

    Obama On The Anti-Gun Campaign Trail: “Weapons Of War Have No Place On Our Streets”…


  32. RIX
    32 | February 4, 2013 4:06 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I wonder if the Dep of Enegy had a little windmill farm on
    the roof of the Super Dome & the wind died.
    Maybe the Gerbals went on strike.
    Maybe Michelle said “Cut the power to the Honkys.”


  33. Tanker
    34 | February 4, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    a ban on hi-capacity magazines and the “universal” background check, though how they will implement the latter is the real devil in the details. They really can’t enforce that without “universal” gun registration (and even then, criminals will simply ignore the law).

    I don’t think criminals are the only ones that would ignore universal registration or turn in magazines.


  34. waldensianspirit
    35 | February 4, 2013 4:09 pm

    @ RIX:
    Naw, Beyonce took a break from twitching her hips


  35. RIX
    36 | February 4, 2013 4:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The gun control push isn’t all based on emotion. Some of it’s based on ignorance:

    Obama On The Anti-Gun Campaign Trail: “Weapons Of War Have No Place On Our Streets”…

    Yet he has no interest in cleaning up the Chicago Street Gangs.
    They are a core Obama constituency.


  36. lobo91
    37 | February 4, 2013 4:09 pm

    @ Tanker:

    I don’t think criminals are the only ones that would ignore universal registration or turn in magazines.

    Nope…they’d just make a whole bunch of us criminals.


  37. RIX
    38 | February 4, 2013 4:10 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Naw, Beyonce took a break from twitching her hips

    She should have had a pole to dance with.


  38. Tanker
    39 | February 4, 2013 4:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    I don’t think criminals are the only ones that would ignore universal registration or turn in magazines.
    Nope…they’d just make a whole bunch of us criminals.

    And once we’re criminals we aren’t required to. See how it will all work out?


  39. brookly red
    40 | February 4, 2013 4:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Tanker:

    I don’t think criminals are the only ones that would ignore universal registration or turn in magazines.

    Nope…they’d just make a whole bunch of us criminals.

    and that as I am sure you know is the whole point.


  40. waldensianspirit
    41 | February 4, 2013 4:13 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    And once we’re criminals we aren’t required to. See how it will all work out?

    Josey Wwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaales!!!!


  41. RIX
    42 | February 4, 2013 4:13 pm

    Lemme ax you. When you skeet shoot, do you aim down range like Obama?
    He has magic bullets that elevate themselves!


  42. lobo91
    43 | February 4, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ RIX:

    Mooch disagrees:

    Mooch: “I Am So Proud” Of Obamabot Beyonce’s “Phenomenal” Super Bowl Performance…

    First lady Michelle Obama was cheering for Beyoncé during Sunday’s Super Bowl halftime show. After Beyoncé took the stage – notably not lip-syncing, wearing a tiny bodysuit and dancing very energetically – FLOTUS tweeted: “@Beyonce was phenomenal! I am so proud of her! –mo.”


  43. citizen_q
    44 | February 4, 2013 4:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    PaladinPhil wrote:
    “Life is not fair, princess, anyone that tells you anything differently is trying to sell you something”, Dread Pirate Roberts/Wesley to Princess Buttercup.

    arrrrrrr!!!!!

    I was thinking “Have fun storming the castle!” or “Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!”

    But I did not want to distract the thread.


  44. brookly red
    45 | February 4, 2013 4:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Mooch disagrees:

    Mooch: “I Am So Proud” Of Obamabot Beyonce’s “Phenomenal” Super Bowl Performance…

    First lady Michelle Obama was cheering for Beyoncé during Sunday’s Super Bowl halftime show. After Beyoncé took the stage – notably not lip-syncing, wearing a tiny bodysuit and dancing very energetically – FLOTUS tweeted: “@Beyonce was phenomenal! I am so proud of her! –mo.”

    four words that make Mooche’s life hell.

    you
    cant
    buy
    class


  45. waldensianspirit
    46 | February 4, 2013 4:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Mooch disagrees:
    Mooch: “I Am So Proud” Of Obamabot Beyonce’s “Phenomenal” Super Bowl Performance…
    First lady Michelle Obama was cheering for Beyoncé during Sunday’s Super Bowl halftime show. After Beyoncé took the stage – notably not lip-syncing, wearing a tiny bodysuit and dancing very energetically – FLOTUS tweeted: “@Beyonce was phenomenal! I am so proud of her! –mo.”

    four words that make Mooche’s life hell.
    you
    cant
    buy
    class

    Burma Shave!


  46. 47 | February 4, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ Tanker:

    The Dems want a national gun database.


  47. lobo91
    48 | February 4, 2013 4:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    The Dems want a national gun database.

    They’ve wanted one since 1968.


  48. Tanker
    49 | February 4, 2013 4:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    The Dems want a national gun database.

    Let them have it. I can assure you it will never reflect the truth or scope of what’s out here in the bushes!


  49. brookly red
    50 | February 4, 2013 4:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    The Dems want a national gun database.

    They’ve wanted one since 1968.

    actually since 1935 ;)


  50. 51 | February 4, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ Tanker:

    I know, it just creeps me out. They are so obvious and disgusting in what they are doing. I have no respect for people who take advantage of tragedy to pursue an agenda. The Democrats are pure scum for they way they were happy after Sandyhook.


  51. 52 | February 4, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yup!


  52. lobo91
    53 | February 4, 2013 4:23 pm

    From the “you can’t make this stuff up” file:

    Rambo’s Sylvester Stallone supports gun control

    Sylvester Stallone says that despite his “Rambo” image and new shoot-em-up film “Bullet to the Head,” he’s in favor of new national gun control legislation.

    Stallone supported the 1994 “Brady bill” that included a now-expired ban on assault weapons, and hopes that ban can be reinstated.

    “I know people get (upset) and go, ‘They’re going to take away the assault weapon.’ Who … needs an assault weapon? Like really, unless you’re carrying out an assault. … You can’t hunt with it. … Who’s going to attack your house, a (expletive) army?”

    so…Stallone is taking time out from promoting his new movie, which is called “A Bullet to the Head,” to push gun control?


  53. brookly red
    54 | February 4, 2013 4:23 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    The Dems want a national gun database.

    Let them have it. I can assure you it will never reflect the truth or scope of what’s out here in the bushes!

    that is something they are not prepared to deal with, now if they can’t keep kilos of cocaine out of the country good luck keeping cases of rifles out.


  54. lobo91
    55 | February 4, 2013 4:24 pm

    @ brookly red:

    It was in the original version of the 1968 bill. They took it out in order to get it passed.


  55. lobo91
    56 | February 4, 2013 4:25 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Tanker:
    The Dems want a national gun database.
    Let them have it. I can assure you it will never reflect the truth or scope of what’s out here in the bushes!

    They know that. They don’t care.

    It just gives them something else to charge you with.


  56. 57 | February 4, 2013 4:25 pm

    @ lobo91:

    He’s needs to star in another movie. I am convinced t6hese artists saying all this Lefty stuff so they can get work.


  57. brookly red
    58 | February 4, 2013 4:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    It was in the original version of the 1968 bill. They took it out in order to get it passed.

    I was snarking about Germany in 35… you know comparing gun grabbers to nazis and all…


  58. RIX
    59 | February 4, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I wonder if Mocchelle thinks that Beyonce’s bumping & grinding
    is role model stuff for her daughters.


  59. brookly red
    60 | February 4, 2013 4:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    He’s needs to star in another movie. I am convinced t6hese artists saying all this Lefty stuff so they can get work.

    Joe Mc Carthy may have been a prick but that doesn’t make him wrong.


  60. lobo91
    61 | February 4, 2013 4:30 pm

    So, the same media morons who don’t know the difference between a machine gun and a semi-auto rifle also don’t know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun.

    MILLER: Media calls Obama’s shotgun a ‘rifle’

    Major print media outlets have been incorrectly writing that a photo of President Obama shows him firing a “rifle” instead of a shotgun.

    The New York Times on Saturday was forced to print this correction: “An earlier version of this article misstated the type of weapon that President Obama fired in a photo released Saturday by the White House. It was a shotgun, not a rifle.”

    The New Yorker story about the Aug. 4 photo says this: “The White House’s attempt to portray President Obama as a gun user may have had unintended consequences today, as a newly released photo of Mr. Obama firing a rifle at Camp David set off a panic of gun buying across the US.”

    The Drudge Report has this link: “AP calls it ‘a rifle cocked in his left shoulder’…” The Associated Press has since fixed the mistake in the story — without issuing a correction. The wire service story now says that “Obama is seen holding a gun against his left shoulder.”

    Yet we’re supposed to agree with these idiots when they tell us what laws need to be passed?


  61. brookly red
    62 | February 4, 2013 4:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I wonder if Mocchelle thinks that Beyonce’s bumping & grinding
    is role model stuff for her daughters.

    well by the next superbowl she may well be in a bur-qua


  62. taxfreekiller
    63 | February 4, 2013 4:31 pm

    Commie nut jobs ruining Argentina “freeze” food prices.

    Like they are God’s or something.

    30% inflation

    Blame the bankers game, blame the “1%” blame, blame, blame.


  63. RIX
    64 | February 4, 2013 4:31 pm

    so…Stallone is taking time out from promoting his new movie, which is called “A Bullet to the Head,” to push gun control?@ lobo91:

    Yo, I don’t use no condominiums.


  64. coldwarrior
    65 | February 4, 2013 4:32 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I wonder if the Dep of Enegy had a little windmill farm on
    the roof of the Super Dome & the wind died.
    Maybe the Gerbals went on strike.
    Maybe Michelle said “Cut the power to the Honkys.”

    its darth cheney and chinmpymcbushitler’s fault.


  65. RIX
    66 | February 4, 2013 4:33 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I wonder if Mocchelle thinks that Beyonce’s bumping & grinding
    is role model stuff for her daughters.

    well by the next superbowl she may well be in a bur-qua

    Inshallah, that would be a better look for her.


  66. lobo91
    67 | February 4, 2013 4:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    I wonder if the Dep of Enegy had a little windmill farm on
    the roof of the Super Dome & the wind died.
    Maybe the Gerbals went on strike.
    Maybe Michelle said “Cut the power to the Honkys.”
    its darth cheney and chinmpymcbushitler’s fault.

    They blew up the transformers!
    //


  67. RIX
    68 | February 4, 2013 4:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I wonder if the Dep of Enegy had a little windmill farm on
    the roof of the Super Dome & the wind died.
    Maybe the Gerbals went on strike.
    Maybe Michelle said “Cut the power to the Honkys.”

    its darth cheney and chinmpymcbushitler’s fault.

    Just as I suspected!


  68. brookly red
    69 | February 4, 2013 4:34 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Commie nut jobs ruining Argentina “freeze” food prices.

    Like they are God’s or something.

    30% inflation

    Blame the bankers game, blame the “1%” blame, blame, blame.

    so is dictating what a doctor can charge any different…


  69. brookly red
    70 | February 4, 2013 4:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I wonder if Mocchelle thinks that Beyonce’s bumping & grinding
    is role model stuff for her daughters.

    well by the next superbowl she may well be in a bur-qua

    Inshallah, that would be a better look for her.

    hey you can’t fault her on her looks…


  70. coldwarrior
    71 | February 4, 2013 4:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    I wonder if the Dep of Enegy had a little windmill farm on
    the roof of the Super Dome & the wind died.
    Maybe the Gerbals went on strike.
    Maybe Michelle said “Cut the power to the Honkys.”
    its darth cheney and chinmpymcbushitler’s fault.
    They blew up the transformers!
    //

    with their weather machine because they hate the chocolate city!


  71. brookly red
    72 | February 4, 2013 4:36 pm

    Off topic but, I usually get 1 or 2 spam messages a day… today I have gotten over 100. wtf is going on?


  72. RIX
    73 | February 4, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ brookly red:
    No, not Beyonce, she’s hot.
    I thought that you meant Mooch in a burqua.
    That is something that I can support, a hag in a bag.


  73. taxfreekiller
    74 | February 4, 2013 4:39 pm

    commie do what commies do
    over
    and
    over
    and
    over

    same failed results

    Obama, Al Gore, the Clintons all of them know.

    They just want power for themselves end of story.@ brookly red:


  74. brookly red
    75 | February 4, 2013 4:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    No, not Beyonce, she’s hot.
    I thought that you meant Mooch in a burqua.
    That is something that I can support, a hag in a bag.

    I could out do Stephen King at horror any day…

    … in the darkness Barry fails to notice that it is actually Hillary not Moochelle in the burque, and then she cackled.


  75. waldensianspirit
    76 | February 4, 2013 4:43 pm

    U.S. to sue S&P over ratings ahead of financial crisis

    More commie solutions: sue somebody else for their own failings


  76. brookly red
    77 | February 4, 2013 4:45 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    U.S. to sue S&P over ratings ahead of financial crisis

    More commie solutions: sue somebody else for their own failings

    God willing I will be on that jury.


  77. lobo91
    78 | February 4, 2013 4:46 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    U.S. to sue S&P over ratings ahead of financial crisis
    More commie solutions: sue somebody else for their own failings

    The ratings agencies were actually a key part of the housing bubble collapse.


  78. RIX
    79 | February 4, 2013 4:47 pm

    I could out do Stephen King at horror any day…

    … in the darkness Barry fails to notice that it is actually Hillary not Moochelle in the burque, and then she cackled.
    @ brookly red:

    That is horror!


  79. The Osprey
    80 | February 4, 2013 4:47 pm

    Farrkhan accuses U.S. Government of plot to kill “billions”.

    Sounds like Ludwig Van Quixote!


  80. lobo91
    81 | February 4, 2013 4:53 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    @ brookly red:

    If the ratings agencies hadn’t done their part and rated bundles of C and D graded mortgages as AA securities, the mortgage crisis probably wouldn’t have happened, because the banks couldn’t have conned investors into buying them.


  81. brookly red
    82 | February 4, 2013 4:54 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Farrkhan accuses U.S. Government of plot to kill “billions”.

    Sounds like Ludwig Van Quixote!

    They went to work with eugenics and Planned Parenthood and pills that aborted children. And it was concentrated in the black community. At that time, the Hispanics were not the ones that were the majority of the minority populations. It was the blacks.”

    well he may wanna ask Barry why he is so buddy-buddy with planed parent hood.


  82. huckfunn
    83 | February 4, 2013 4:55 pm

    FNC reporting that Alabama kidnapper is dead and the kid is safe.


  83. brookly red
    84 | February 4, 2013 4:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    @ brookly red:

    If the ratings agencies hadn’t done their part and rated bundles of C and D graded mortgages as AA securities, the mortgage crisis probably wouldn’t have happened, because the banks couldn’t have conned investors into buying them.

    and if the feds hadn’t held a gun to their heads they might well have…


  84. coldwarrior
    85 | February 4, 2013 4:57 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    commie do what commies do
    over
    and
    over
    and
    over
    same failed results
    Obama, Al Gore, the Clintons all of them know.
    They just want power for themselves end of story.@ brookly red:

    nixon….price controls…


  85. RIX
    86 | February 4, 2013 4:58 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    FNC reporting that Alabama kidnapper is dead and the kid is safe.

    Good outcome. They are not saying how the guy died.
    More to come.


  86. brookly red
    87 | February 4, 2013 5:00 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    commie do what commies do
    over
    and
    over
    and
    over
    same failed results
    Obama, Al Gore, the Clintons all of them know.
    They just want power for themselves end of story.@ brookly red:

    nixon….price controls…

    Clinton: 150$ for a BJ ?!!?


  87. huckfunn
    88 | February 4, 2013 5:00 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Good outcome. They are not saying how the guy died.
    More to come.

    It probably had something to do with a “BOOM” that was heard.


  88. brookly red
    89 | February 4, 2013 5:00 pm

    RIX wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    FNC reporting that Alabama kidnapper is dead and the kid is safe.

    Good outcome. They are not saying how the guy died.
    More to come.

    I am ruling out natural causes…


  89. RIX
    90 | February 4, 2013 5:02 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Good outcome. They are not saying how the guy died.
    More to come.

    It probably had something to do with a “BOOM” that was heard.

    Could have. They are having a press conference in 10 minutes.


  90. brookly red
    91 | February 4, 2013 5:02 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Good outcome. They are not saying how the guy died.
    More to come.

    It probably had something to do with a “BOOM” that was heard.

    he probably shot himself… next lib talking point: you don’t need a 20 round magazine to shoot your self!


  91. RIX
    92 | February 4, 2013 5:03 pm

    I am ruling out natural causes…
    @ brookly red:

    Wee you know, there is that flu going around./


  92. coldwarrior
    93 | February 4, 2013 5:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    the ratings agencies failed their basic fiduciary duties utterly.


  93. huckfunn
    94 | February 4, 2013 5:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    he probably shot himself… next lib talking point: you don’t need a 20 round magazine to shoot your self!

    Indeed! Also, we need to start a national diaglog on banning school buses. ///


  94. coldwarrior
    95 | February 4, 2013 5:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    taxfreekiller wrote:
    commie do what commies do
    over
    and
    over
    and
    over
    same failed results
    Obama, Al Gore, the Clintons all of them know.
    They just want power for themselves end of story.@ brookly red:
    nixon….price controls…

    Clinton: 150$ for a BJ ?!!?

    thats called a bubble, not inflation.

    :lol:


  95. brookly red
    96 | February 4, 2013 5:05 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I am ruling out natural causes…
    @ brookly red:

    Wee you know, there is that flu going around./

    more likely a lead allergy…


  96. brookly red
    97 | February 4, 2013 5:05 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    he probably shot himself… next lib talking point: you don’t need a 20 round magazine to shoot your self!

    Indeed! Also, we need to start a national diaglog on banning school buses. ///

    actually we did that in the 60′s it was not a bad idea…


  97. RIX
    98 | February 4, 2013 5:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I am ruling out natural causes…
    @ brookly red:

    Wee you know, there is that flu going around./

    more likely a lead allergy…

    That would be my guess. Hey, shit happens!


  98. brookly red
    99 | February 4, 2013 5:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I am ruling out natural causes…
    @ brookly red:

    Wee you know, there is that flu going around./

    more likely a lead allergy…

    oh, is that what you kids call it nowdays?


  99. lobo91
    100 | February 4, 2013 5:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    the ratings agencies failed their basic fiduciary duties utterly.

    Absolutely.

    That wasn’t the government’s fault. They received fees for their services from the banks that held the worthless mortgages, which was all that they cared about.


  100. brookly red
    101 | February 4, 2013 5:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    That would be my guess. Hey, shit happens!

    or maybe the kid shanked him when he was taking a shit?


  101. RIX
    102 | February 4, 2013 5:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    That would be my guess. Hey, shit happens!

    or maybe the kid shanked him when he was taking a shit?

    This poor kid is special needs & was crying for his parents.
    He will take a while to get past this.


  102. lobo91
    103 | February 4, 2013 5:12 pm

    Obama Goes After The NRA In Latest Gun Control Speech…

    President Obama on Monday tried to undercut National Rifle Association leaders and appeal directly to their membership, claiming gun owners support the “common-sense” gun control measures he’s proposed — and urging those supporters to “keep the pressure” on Congress.

    The president spoke in Minnesota, in his first campaign-style stop as part of a second-term push for new firearms laws.

    On the other side of that debate, the NRA has aggressively argued against Democrats’ call for a new and stronger assault-weapons ban, a ban on high-capacity magazines and universal background checks. But in a risky move, the president used his speech Monday to try and sideline America’s most powerful gun lobby.

    “The overwhelming majority of gun owners think (universal background checks are) a good idea,” Obama said, referring to recent polling that shows most gun owners support background checks at gun shows and for private sales. “So if we’ve got lobbyists in Washington claiming to speak for gun owners saying something different, we need to go to the source and reach out to people directly.

    “We can’t allow those filters to get in the way of common sense,” Obama said.

    Hmm…if the NRA membership is at odds with the leadership, how do you explain the fact that we’ve gained 250,000 new members in the past month?


  103. brookly red
    104 | February 4, 2013 5:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    That would be my guess. Hey, shit happens!

    or maybe the kid shanked him when he was taking a shit?

    This poor kid is special needs & was crying for his parents.
    He will take a while to get past this.

    yes, if ever


  104. brookly red
    105 | February 4, 2013 5:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    we need to go to the source and reach out to people directly.

    hence high capacity magazines…


  105. RIX
    106 | February 4, 2013 5:17 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Notice that he speaks in Minnesota? He overflies his crime ridden
    hometown Chicago.
    Everybody will turn in their weapon & be issued a government slingshot.
    Appropriate training & liability coverage will be required.


  106. RIX
    107 | February 4, 2013 5:17 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Yes.


  107. lobo91
    108 | February 4, 2013 5:18 pm

    @ RIX:

    The Secret Service probably told him Chicago was too dangerous.


  108. RIX
    109 | February 4, 2013 5:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The Secret Service probably told him Chicago was too dangerous.

    But Obama shoots skeet!


  109. brookly red
    110 | February 4, 2013 5:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The Secret Service probably told him Chicago was too dangerous.

    But Obama shoots skeet!

    /I heard he was going quail hunting with Bill & Hillary…


  110. citizen_q
    111 | February 4, 2013 5:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “The overwhelming majority of gun owners think (universal background checks are) a good idea,” Obama said, referring to recent polling that shows most gun owners support background checks at gun shows and for private sales. “

    Must be all his peeps he “do skeet shooting with all the time”.

    Comrade zero must be part a-rab to just lie and believe his own lie because he heard himself say it.


  111. heysoos
    112 | February 4, 2013 5:30 pm

    if I could get my hands on that asshole in AL, I strangle him myself…it really upsets me to see defenseless people, kids, the elderly, the disabled being used, frightened, abused or worse…creating fear and hopelessness is evil


  112. RIX
    113 | February 4, 2013 5:31 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I know that there is a lot of snickering & mocking over Obama skeet shooting.
    But seriously, since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
    credible reports of skeet attacks.


  113. coldwarrior
    114 | February 4, 2013 5:33 pm

    RIX wrote:

    since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
    credible reports of skeet attacks.

    all hail our brave and glorious leader!


  114. RIX
    115 | February 4, 2013 5:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
    credible reports of skeet attacks.

    all hail our brave and glorious leader!

    He gives too much.


  115. brookly red
    116 | February 4, 2013 5:35 pm

    I have been fearing a second revolution in this country for sometime…

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/sneaker-tax-illinois-considers-a--cent-charge/article_51020583-02c9-51ce-b858-1e07054a4648.html

    now with a sneaker tax in Chicago it is all but certain


  116. coldwarrior
    117 | February 4, 2013 5:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
    credible reports of skeet attacks.
    all hail our brave and glorious leader!

    He gives too much.

    he does. a ‘shining path’ for us all!


  117. coldwarrior
    118 | February 4, 2013 5:38 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I have been fearing a second revolution in this country for sometime…
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/sneaker-tax-illinois-considers-a--cent-charge/article_51020583-02c9-51ce-b858-1e07054a4648.html
    now with a sneaker tax in Chicago it is all but certain

    make it $20 a pair!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! FEEL THE PAIN!


  118. brookly red
    119 | February 4, 2013 5:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I know that there is a lot of snickering & mocking over Obama skeet shooting.
    But seriously, since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
    credible reports of skeet attacks.

    everyone needs to see this… http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1811315/

    it was insane,


  119. lobo91
    120 | February 4, 2013 5:40 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    “Nobody needs $300 shoes to kill a deer!”
    //


  120. RIX
    121 | February 4, 2013 5:40 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
    credible reports of skeet attacks.
    all hail our brave and glorious leader!

    He gives too much.

    he does. a ‘shining path’ for us all!

    A role model among roll models. The Ayatollah of slo jammin cool.


  121. brookly red
    122 | February 4, 2013 5:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I have been fearing a second revolution in this country for sometime…
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/sneaker-tax-illinois-considers-a--cent-charge/article_51020583-02c9-51ce-b858-1e07054a4648.html
    now with a sneaker tax in Chicago it is all but certain

    make it $20 a pair!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! FEEL THE PAIN!

    feel the pain? ooooh I could sell that to Nike :) thanks dude.


  122. coldwarrior
    123 | February 4, 2013 5:41 pm

    the donald fights back.

    this is how you handle lefti o-bots.


  123. heysoos
    124 | February 4, 2013 5:42 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I know that there is a lot of snickering & mocking over Obama skeet shooting.
    But seriously, since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
    credible reports of skeet attacks.

    everyone needs to see this… http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1811315/
    it was insane,

    I don’t do Hollywood movies


  124. coldwarrior
    125 | February 4, 2013 5:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    “Nobody needs $300 shoes to kill a deer!”
    //

    ummm…..*raises hand*

    (danner go-devils and danner mountain light II owner)


  125. brookly red
    126 | February 4, 2013 5:43 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I know that there is a lot of snickering & mocking over Obama skeet shooting.
    But seriously, since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
    credible reports of skeet attacks.

    everyone needs to see this… http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1811315/
    it was insane,

    I don’t do Hollywood movies

    neither do I …this was far from hollywood


  126. coldwarrior
    127 | February 4, 2013 5:43 pm

    @ brookly red:

    at least mention me in the pitch meeting, mmmkay?


  127. RIX
    128 | February 4, 2013 5:44 pm

    @ brookly red:
    That’s just nuckin futs! Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer is a great documentry
    though.


  128. brookly red
    129 | February 4, 2013 5:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    “Nobody needs $300 shoes to kill a deer!”
    //

    now if Chicago would have a gang affiliation tax, OK.

    tattoo tax, ok… rolling paper tax, no problem… tinted windshield tax, highly recommended. Hoddie tax? LOL now we are getting some where… custom rims tax, most excellent

    Hey hows about an abortion tax… 2 can play this.


  129. lobo91
    130 | February 4, 2013 5:50 pm

    I guess we shouldn’t be surprised…

    Emails Show Holder’s DOJ Working With Radical Leftist Group Southern Poverty Law Center…

    Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained nearly two dozen pages of emails from the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights and Tax divisions revealing questionable behavior by agency personnel while negotiating for Sothern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) co-founder Morris Dees to appear as the featured speaker at a July 31, 2012, “Diversity Training Event.” Judicial Watch obtained the records pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) submitted to the DOJ on September 10, 2012.

    Judicial Watch filed the FOIA requests to determine what, if any, influence the SPLC’s branding of hate groups has had on government agencies. The FOIA request specifically asked for “any and all records concerning, regarding, or relating to the Sothern Poverty Law Center” between January 1 and August 31, 2012, including the Dees’ presentation sponsored by the Civil Rights and Tax divisions of the DOJ, for which employees were instructed qualified “for mandatory annual diversity training for supervisors.” According to the emails obtained by Judicial Watch, Dees’ speech was to be “simulcast to everyone’s PC throughout the Department.” [...]

    “The Southern Poverty Law Center has, in the past few years, taken to labeling organizations with conservative views on social issues as ‘hate groups,’” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Given these fawning emails, one would have thought that a head of state was visiting the Justice Department. The SPLC is an attack group, and it is disturbing that it has premier access to our Department of Justice, which is charged with protecting the First Amendment rights of all Americans. And these emails further confirm that politically-correct ‘mandatory’ diversity training programs are a waste of taxpayer money.”


  130. buzzsawmonkey
    131 | February 4, 2013 5:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Hey hows about an abortion tax…

    Can’t pay that if you’re just scraping by…


  131. brookly red
    132 | February 4, 2013 5:51 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    at least mention me in the pitch meeting, mmmkay?

    huh? OK yeah sure… Carmine, take a note, mention old warrior.


  132. coldwarrior
    133 | February 4, 2013 5:51 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    tattoo tax, ok… rolling paper tax, no problem… tinted windshield tax, highly recommended. Hoddie tax? LOL now we are getting some where… custom rims tax, most excellent

    flat consumption tax.

    werd, homie.


  133. buzzsawmonkey
    134 | February 4, 2013 5:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I don’t do Hollywood movies

    Doesn’t that Bollywood stuff get awful tedious?


  134. coldwarrior
    135 | February 4, 2013 5:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    at least mention me in the pitch meeting, mmmkay?

    huh? OK yeah sure… Carmine, take a note, mention old warrior.

    yeah, thanks.

    :lol:


  135. brookly red
    136 | February 4, 2013 5:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I guess we shouldn’t be surprised…

    Emails Show Holder’s DOJ Working With Radical Leftist Group Southern Poverty Law Center…

    Judicial Watch announced today that it has obtained nearly two dozen pages of emails from the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights and Tax divisions revealing questionable behavior by agency personnel while negotiating for Sothern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) co-founder Morris Dees to appear as the featured speaker at a July 31, 2012, “Diversity Training Event.” Judicial Watch obtained the records pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) submitted to the DOJ on September 10, 2012.

    Judicial Watch filed the FOIA requests to determine what, if any, influence the SPLC’s branding of hate groups has had on government agencies. The FOIA request specifically asked for “any and all records concerning, regarding, or relating to the Sothern Poverty Law Center” between January 1 and August 31, 2012, including the Dees’ presentation sponsored by the Civil Rights and Tax divisions of the DOJ, for which employees were instructed qualified “for mandatory annual diversity training for supervisors.” According to the emails obtained by Judicial Watch, Dees’ speech was to be “simulcast to everyone’s PC throughout the Department.” [...]

    “The Southern Poverty Law Center has, in the past few years, taken to labeling organizations with conservative views on social issues as ‘hate groups,’” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Given these fawning emails, one would have thought that a head of state was visiting the Justice Department. The SPLC is an attack group, and it is disturbing that it has premier access to our Department of Justice, which is charged with protecting the First Amendment rights of all Americans. And these emails further confirm that politically-correct ‘mandatory’ diversity training programs are a waste of taxpayer money.”

    the one thing I don’t get is if it is all communists how is that diverse?


  136. lobo91
    137 | February 4, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ brookly red:

    the one thing I don’t get is if it is all communists how is that diverse?

    The “diversity” preached by the left is superficial. It’s always based on skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or other surface characteristics.

    They don’t do intellectual diversity.


  137. RIX
    138 | February 4, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ brookly red:
    How about every time a dude says “Yamo bust a cap yo ass” he is fined
    a dollar?
    Each “Mahfah” $2.00?
    That could add up to serious money.


  138. brookly red
    139 | February 4, 2013 5:57 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Hey hows about an abortion tax…

    Can’t pay that if you’re just scraping by…

    phuc who cares… the unions need a raise.


  139. brookly red
    140 | February 4, 2013 5:59 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    How about every time a dude says “Yamo bust a cap yo ass” he is fined
    a dollar?
    Each “Mahfah” $2.00?
    That could add up to serious money.

    at fitty cent a “bitch” we could reduce the deficit greatly


  140. lobo91
    141 | February 4, 2013 6:00 pm

    @ brookly red:

    at fitty cent a “bitch” we could reduce the deficit greatly

    Especially if we extend it to include rap music.


  141. brookly red
    142 | February 4, 2013 6:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    the one thing I don’t get is if it is all communists how is that diverse?

    The “diversity” preached by the left is superficial. It’s always based on skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or other surface characteristics.

    They don’t do intellectual diversity.

    really?


  142. buzzsawmonkey
    143 | February 4, 2013 6:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The “diversity” preached by the left is superficial. It’s always based on skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or other surface characteristics.

    They don’t do intellectual diversity.

    True—and only certain special surface characteristics need apply. “Asian” is not diverse if you’re looking at college admissions quotas, because they get in on their own merit; same with Jews. Jews don’t count in office diversity either, though Asians sometimes do. All white people are the same, unless they’re Hispanic, but then only from South America—but Australians and Poles and Italians and Norwegians and Russians are all fungible.

    And don’t forget, conservative views wipe out “diversity” characterists.


  143. brookly red
    144 | February 4, 2013 6:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    at fitty cent a “bitch” we could reduce the deficit greatly

    Especially if we extend it to include rap music.

    oh now we are getting somewhere


  144. heysoos
    145 | February 4, 2013 6:07 pm

    another budget deadline blown off by BO…no stimulus reports, both required by law…time to call my lawyer


  145. lobo91
    146 | February 4, 2013 6:08 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    And blacks whose ancestors have been in the US for 400 years are “African-American,” while a white person who comes here from Africa isn’t.


  146. RIX
    147 | February 4, 2013 6:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    How about every time a dude says “Yamo bust a cap yo ass” he is fined
    a dollar?
    Each “Mahfah” $2.00?
    That could add up to serious money.

    at fitty cent a “bitch” we could reduce the deficit greatly

    China would be happy, we could actually pay them back.


  147. brookly red
    148 | February 4, 2013 6:08 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    The “diversity” preached by the left is superficial. It’s always based on skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or other surface characteristics.

    They don’t do intellectual diversity.

    True—and only certain special surface characteristics need apply. “Asian” is not diverse if you’re looking at college admissions quotas, because they get in on their own merit; same with Jews. Jews don’t count in office diversity either, though Asians sometimes do. All white people are the same, unless they’re Hispanic, but then only from South America—but Australians and Poles and Italians and Norwegians and Russians are all fungible.

    And don’t forget, conservative views wipe out “diversity” characterists.

    OK so in NYC we have a whole new ethnic group the offspring of Jewish guys who marry Asian women… what is the politically correct term? Jewanese? or MBAs?


  148. lobo91
    149 | February 4, 2013 6:08 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    another budget deadline blown off by BO…no stimulus reports, both required by law…time to call my lawyer

    Don’t bother. You don’t have standing.


  149. brookly red
    150 | February 4, 2013 6:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    And blacks whose ancestors have been in the US for 400 years are “African-American,” while a white person who comes here from Africa isn’t.

    I beg your pardon sir! Teresa Kerry Is an African-American!


  150. brookly red
    151 | February 4, 2013 6:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    another budget deadline blown off by BO…no stimulus reports, both required by law…time to call my lawyer

    Don’t bother. You don’t have standing.

    and if you ain’t standing you must be kneeling… let’s bring the whole thing down.


  151. brookly red
    152 | February 4, 2013 6:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    How about every time a dude says “Yamo bust a cap yo ass” he is fined
    a dollar?
    Each “Mahfah” $2.00?
    That could add up to serious money.

    at fitty cent a “bitch” we could reduce the deficit greatly

    China would be happy, we could actually pay them back.

    actually NO… think of them as a credit card company… the last thing they want is to be paid off.


  152. RIX
    153 | February 4, 2013 6:30 pm

    actually NO… think of them as a credit card company… the last thing they want is to be paid off.
    @ brookly red:

    I think that they view us as a bad risk.


  153. brookly red
    154 | February 4, 2013 6:33 pm

    RIX wrote:

    actually NO… think of them as a credit card company… the last thing they want is to be paid off.
    @ brookly red:

    I think that they view us as a bad risk.

    so they repo Taiwan like o gives a fuck?


  154. lobo91
    155 | February 4, 2013 6:45 pm

    Report: Big Sis Considering Run For President In 2016…

    So, what happens if Hillary Clinton doesn’t run in 2016?

    It is hard to imagine the presidential field without a woman contender, and here’s one to keep your eye on: Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Napolitano is quietly making it known that she is considering the race, and there is reason to take her seriously.


  155. brookly red
    156 | February 4, 2013 6:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Report: Big Sis Considering Run For President In 2016…

    So, what happens if Hillary Clinton doesn’t run in 2016?

    It is hard to imagine the presidential field without a woman contender, and here’s one to keep your eye on: Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Napolitano is quietly making it known that she is considering the race, and there is reason to take her seriously.

    yes but come on the ever so popular full body scanner lady? even the libs don’t like her, and besides Soros’s cancer will have taken him down by then so there goes the funding… and speaking of cancer do you think for a minute the Clintons would allow it?


  156. waldensianspirit
    157 | February 4, 2013 6:53 pm

    @ brookly red:
    The Soros son is even worse


  157. brookly red
    158 | February 4, 2013 6:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Report: Big Sis Considering Run For President In 2016…

    So, what happens if Hillary Clinton doesn’t run in 2016?

    It is hard to imagine the presidential field without a woman contender, and here’s one to keep your eye on: Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Napolitano is quietly making it known that she is considering the race, and there is reason to take her seriously.

    yes but come on the ever so popular full body scanner lady? even the libs don’t like her, and besides Soros’s cancer will have taken him down by then so there goes the funding… and speaking of cancer do you think for a minute the Clintons would allow it?

    and besides her name ends in a vowel… she is presumably a Catholic and there is no way a Catholic lesbian is getting elected let alone surviving a Clinton campaign


  158. lobo91
    159 | February 4, 2013 6:58 pm

    @ brookly red:

    and besides her name ends in a vowel… she is presumably a Catholic and there is no way a Catholic lesbian is getting elected let alone surviving a Clinton campaign

    But look at all her achievements!

    Err…ummm…welll…

    Okay…never mind.


  159. brookly red
    160 | February 4, 2013 7:04 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    The Soros son is even worse

    the devil is the devil there is no worse. God either judges us worthy and sends them all back to hell, or he does not.


  160. brookly red
    161 | February 4, 2013 7:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    But look at all her achievements!

    Err…ummm…welll…

    Okay…never mind.

    I see a corkscrew landing into Kabul in her future…


  161. brookly red
    163 | February 4, 2013 7:19 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Ahmadinejad says he is ready to be first Iranian in space

    God willing he will be…


  162. lobo91
    164 | February 4, 2013 7:19 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Ahmadinejad says he is ready to be first Iranian in space

    Did you see this?

    McCain Compares Ahmadinejad To A Monkey . . . Lib Outrage Ensues…


  163. brookly red
    165 | February 4, 2013 7:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Ahmadinejad says he is ready to be first Iranian in space

    Did you see this?

    McCain Compares Ahmadinejad To A Monkey . . . Lib Outrage Ensues…

    oh so by Iranian standards McCain called him a Jew?


  164. brookly red
    166 | February 4, 2013 7:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    McCain Compares Ahmadinejad To A Monkey . . . Lib Outrage Ensues…

    as far as lib outrage goes you know what? fuck them where they pour their starbucks … who cares. I am tired of them


  165. Mars
    167 | February 4, 2013 7:39 pm

    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.

    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.

    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.

    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)


  166. brookly red
    168 | February 4, 2013 7:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.

    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.

    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.

    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)

    hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.


  167. darkwords
    169 | February 4, 2013 7:50 pm

    @ 63 taxfreekiller: Corruption and committees is what kills Argentina. The only cure for them is capitalism with good markets.


  168. darkwords
    170 | February 4, 2013 7:50 pm

    @ darkwords: Any country that gets an overload of leftist is headed to “tilt”


  169. Mars
    171 | February 4, 2013 7:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    He’s needs to star in another movie. I am convinced t6hese artists saying all this Lefty stuff so they can get work.

    Unfortunately with Stallone that’s not the case. He is currently in different phases of 6 different films. All of which are violent action films.


  170. darkwords
    172 | February 4, 2013 7:52 pm

    @ 82 brookly red: I think he means the Democrats not the Feds. He is conflating racism against blacks in to both parties. When it was all democrats.


  171. brookly red
    173 | February 4, 2013 7:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.

    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.

    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.

    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)

    hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.

    they did they sexual revolution thing to labor. we put out without a commitment we got what we deserved.


  172. Mars
    174 | February 4, 2013 7:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.
    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.
    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.
    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)

    hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.

    That’s what kills me. I defend the free market and capitalism and every time I turn around some moronic company is pulling the exact shit the unions and OWS types are accusing them of.

    WTF is wrong with them, don’t they see the endgame they are enabling?

    I know, the bottom line is all that counts. Screw the future, screw the employee, screw the country. Get your money now and maybe you’ll be rich enough to run when it all comes tumbling down.


  173. darkwords
    175 | February 4, 2013 7:55 pm

    @ 83 huckfunn: good news. I’m not tolerant on stuff like that or the PSTD shooter. They should just have the balls to put a buller in their own heads before they torment a kid or take some random persons life. No one gives a rats ass for their screwed up life. Not now. Not tomorrow. Can’t make it? Go check out then.


  174. darkwords
    176 | February 4, 2013 7:56 pm

    @ 87 brookly red: There are still plenty of men and women in the country who would pay $1000 to give ol Bill a BJ. That is all he really has to do the rest of his life.


  175. Mars
    177 | February 4, 2013 7:57 pm

    And the whole welfare/veterans tax credit thing was a setup by the feds anyway. That way they can drive up the numbers of people on welfare and disabled vets hired numbers, and then they get terminated anyway and no one counts it because it’s in probation and it doesn’t increase the unemployment numbers.

    Total federal numbers game.


  176. brookly red
    178 | February 4, 2013 7:57 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.
    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.
    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.
    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)

    hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.

    That’s what kills me. I defend the free market and capitalism and every time I turn around some moronic company is pulling the exact shit the unions and OWS types are accusing them of.

    WTF is wrong with them, don’t they see the endgame they are enabling?

    I know, the bottom line is all that counts. Screw the future, screw the employee, screw the country. Get your money now and maybe you’ll be rich enough to run when it all comes tumbling down.

    dude, it is all tumbling down.


  177. darkwords
    179 | February 4, 2013 7:58 pm

    @ 103 lobo91:

    claiming gun owners support the “hysterical” gun control measures he’s proposed — and urging those supporters to “keep the hysteria” on Congress.


  178. Moe Katz
    180 | February 4, 2013 7:58 pm

    @ lobo91:
    LOL. The monkey turns out to have been a hoax, too.


  179. darkwords
    181 | February 4, 2013 7:59 pm

    @ 103 lobo91: I’d want a national voterID first before universal gun registration. Or make it so only the regulate militia can vote. Blogship Troopers.


  180. Mars
    182 | February 4, 2013 8:00 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 83 huckfunn: good news. I’m not tolerant on stuff like that or the PSTD shooter. They should just have the balls to put a buller in their own heads before they torment a kid or take some random persons life. No one gives a rats ass for their screwed up life. Not now. Not tomorrow. Can’t make it? Go check out then.

    That’s what I’ve been saying. Everytime one of these killers go off, I yell that they killed the wrong one last.


  181. brookly red
    183 | February 4, 2013 8:00 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 103 lobo91: I’d want a national voterID first before universal gun registration. Or make it so only the regulate militia can vote. Blogship Troopers.

    now you said something worth responding to :)


  182. Mars
    184 | February 4, 2013 8:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.
    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.
    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.
    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)
    hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.
    That’s what kills me. I defend the free market and capitalism and every time I turn around some moronic company is pulling the exact shit the unions and OWS types are accusing them of.
    WTF is wrong with them, don’t they see the endgame they are enabling?
    I know, the bottom line is all that counts. Screw the future, screw the employee, screw the country. Get your money now and maybe you’ll be rich enough to run when it all comes tumbling down.

    dude, it is all tumbling down.

    And yet they keep playing their games and feeding into the cliches.


  183. Da_Beerfreak
    185 | February 4, 2013 8:06 pm

    A revolution in the works?

    But if there’s an upside to the increasing unhappiness that most Americans feel toward the political class, it’s that maybe it means people are paying closer attention.


  184. brookly red
    186 | February 4, 2013 8:07 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.
    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.
    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.
    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)
    hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.
    That’s what kills me. I defend the free market and capitalism and every time I turn around some moronic company is pulling the exact shit the unions and OWS types are accusing them of.
    WTF is wrong with them, don’t they see the endgame they are enabling?
    I know, the bottom line is all that counts. Screw the future, screw the employee, screw the country. Get your money now and maybe you’ll be rich enough to run when it all comes tumbling down.

    dude, it is all tumbling down.

    And yet they keep playing their games and feeding into the cliches.

    and yet we keep electing them and not hanging them from lampposts


  185. Da_Beerfreak
    187 | February 4, 2013 8:08 pm

    Tarkenton: Mickelson was right on taxes

    Citizens are right to complain about high taxes. It hurts job creators and the little guy.


  186. Mars
    188 | February 4, 2013 8:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.
    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.
    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.
    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)
    hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.
    That’s what kills me. I defend the free market and capitalism and every time I turn around some moronic company is pulling the exact shit the unions and OWS types are accusing them of.
    WTF is wrong with them, don’t they see the endgame they are enabling?
    I know, the bottom line is all that counts. Screw the future, screw the employee, screw the country. Get your money now and maybe you’ll be rich enough to run when it all comes tumbling down.
    dude, it is all tumbling down.
    And yet they keep playing their games and feeding into the cliches.

    and yet we keep electing them and not hanging them from lampposts

    Well, in this case I’m specifically talking about company heads. But, similar criteria.


  187. brookly red
    189 | February 4, 2013 8:18 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Well, in this case I’m specifically talking about company heads. But, similar criteria.

    welcome to the new American slavery. deal with it.


  188. Mars
    190 | February 4, 2013 8:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Well, in this case I’m specifically talking about company heads. But, similar criteria.
    welcome to the new American slavery. deal with it.

    Too true. But, it makes it hard as a free market capitalist to keep defending people who act like jackasses.


  189. coldwarrior
    191 | February 4, 2013 8:28 pm

    @ brookly red:
    @ Mars:

    until regulations are cut, the owners have no choice but to make a profit however they can. this is the environment they must function in, the ever smaller box of compliance in an ever more expensive world of rules.

    they have a responsibility to their investors to turn a profit. until there is a drastic change in the landscape this is the new normal and it will get worse as obamacare rolls in.


  190. Mars
    192 | February 4, 2013 8:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    @ Mars:
    until regulations are cut, the owners have no choice but to make a profit however they can. this is the environment they must function in, the ever smaller box of compliance in an ever more expensive world of rules.
    they have a responsibility to their investors to turn a profit. until there is a drastic change in the landscape this is the new normal and it will get worse as obamacare rolls in.

    Yeah, but the worst part is this crap started before the won even got elected the first time. Shows how “business friendly” Bush was.


  191. coldwarrior
    193 | February 4, 2013 8:31 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Yeah, but the worst part is this crap started before the won even got elected the first time. Shows how “business friendly” Bush was.

    there it is.


  192. coldwarrior
    194 | February 4, 2013 8:33 pm

    @ Mars:

    training costs big money. so in this environment it is cheaper to dump and train than hold onto a trained new employee. this is regulation driven.


  193. coldwarrior
    195 | February 4, 2013 8:35 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    this does not take into account lost productivity and management time wasted.


  194. Mars
    196 | February 4, 2013 8:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Mars:
    training costs big money. so in this environment it is cheaper to dump and train than hold onto a trained new employee. this is regulation driven.

    Agreed. Well, and the fact my last employer that did that is a well known asshole and crook.


  195. coldwarrior
    197 | February 4, 2013 8:43 pm

    Mars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Mars:
    training costs big money. so in this environment it is cheaper to dump and train than hold onto a trained new employee. this is regulation driven.

    Agreed. Well, and the fact my last employer that did that is a well known asshole and crook.

    some owners of massed capital are assholes. such is life.


  196. brookly red
    198 | February 4, 2013 8:50 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    @ Mars:

    until regulations are cut, the owners have no choice but to make a profit however they can. this is the environment they must function in, the ever smaller box of compliance in an ever more expensive world of rules.

    they have a responsibility to their investors to turn a profit. until there is a drastic change in the landscape this is the new normal and it will get worse as obamacare rolls in.

    all true. welcome to the new American slavery.


  197. 199 | February 4, 2013 11:00 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    “Life is not fair, princess, anyone that tells you anything differently is trying to sell you something”, Dread Pirate Roberts/Wesley to Princess Buttercup.

    I can deal with that.

    But when the government changes the rules to favor one group over another, that isn’t “unfairness” -- it’s INJUSTICE.

    HUGE difference.

    Such as “Obamacare” making it prohibitively expensive to hire older workers for full-time jobs.

    Or “affirmative action.”

    Or “minority set-asides.”

    Or subsidies for the president’s pet projects, such as Solyndra.

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.
    First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.
    Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.
    This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)
    hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.
    That’s what kills me. I defend the free market and capitalism and every time I turn around some moronic company is pulling the exact shit the unions and OWS types are accusing them of.
    WTF is wrong with them, don’t they see the endgame they are enabling?
    I know, the bottom line is all that counts. Screw the future, screw the employee, screw the country. Get your money now and maybe you’ll be rich enough to run when it all comes tumbling down.
    dude, it is all tumbling down.
    And yet they keep playing their games and feeding into the cliches.
    and yet we keep electing them and not hanging them from lampposts

    Well, in this case I’m specifically talking about company heads. But, similar criteria.

    Here again, not unfairness, but blatant INJUSTICE, in which the government puts its nasty thumb on the scales and thus incentivizes and/or coerces private parties to do wrong.

    What we have is a classic fascist economy. There is still private ownership, but the government controls pretty much everything.


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