Hat tip to Cynthia Catsman
Many times, I’ll be surprised with the direction of discussion that will follow one of my blog posts. Often times, one of the more minor points will become the main topic of conversation, or a new point will develop entirely, one that I had not thought about. Hence today’s post, which is now a third generation of that sort of thing stemming from two posts ago. I’ll give you the history, and the chance to catch up if you are at all interested. First, I wrote this, about the Obama Boom. It contained a link to here, which dealt with the rampant inflation experienced in Zimbabwe and drew parallels to President Obama’s current rhetoric and policy initiatives. In response to that essay, someone made an observation about jobs and hiring that involved a clear denunciation of jobs offered by McDonald’s specifically, as not being worthy of any who wished to actually work rather than exist on the public dole. That concept angered me, as it has for many years, so I wrote this essay as a response.
One of the comments that came out during the subsequent discussion for that essay was the call for covering the flip side of the free market coin. Specifically, how should we go about the business of making the world more fair, especially in regards to companies, “downsizing,” long term employees or practicing the already illegal technique of saving money by firing older employees and replacing them with cheaper younger employees? So, here we are, with my response to a legitimate concern. I am almost positive that my answer to those concerns will not be well received by the person raising them, but then, them’s the breaks.
As a small child growing up in West Virginia, I would often implore my parents to allow allow me to violate one of the boundaries set by attentive parents upon their children through use of the phrase, “it’s not fair.” The response from my parents has turned out to be the single truest thing that anybody has ever said to me. The response was so true and insightful as a matter of fact, I believe it should be etched in the stone archway to every elementary, middle, and high school across the country. It should be engraved on every building in every college campus within these United States. It should be taught in every economics class right along with the law of supply and demand. Are you ready? Here it is:
Life is not fair.
As Americans, we have all grown up with a sense of fair play being ingrained in our psyches, as our laws and founding principles are designed to treat all people equally within the law, and to eliminate special treatment depending upon social strata within our society. That equality of opportunity is however vastly different than equality of guaranteed outcomes. Equal treatment under the law is vastly different than what the concept of fair has been interpreted to mean by many people. What’s even beyond that however is the fact that any time the government, or any government for that matter has gone about the business of attempting to mandate fairness through legislation, the result is invariably a situation that is considerably worse, and many times worse for group being, “protected.”
Is it fair that some employers might discriminate based on factors that might seem shallow to the rest of a society that feels itself more enlightened? Probably not, but let’s look at the real results of our attempts to deal with that perceived inequity. We’ll use as a reference, our old friend Dr. Milton Friedman.
That’s an important note to make, and the lesson can be applied across so many different variations of this practice of legislating fairness.
The ultimate accomplishment of these fairness laws is to reduce to zero the economic cost of capricious behavior.
If for example, an employer wishes to fire more experienced help in order to replace them with younger labor, he faces an economic penalty if the older more experienced workers find employment with his competition, open their own businesses engaged in the same activity, utilize their talents elsewhere to improve the products and services in a way that the less experienced help might not know how to do, or use their connections to flat out steal business away from the original employer. Legislating fairness will only have the effect of eliminating those costs.
Usually, although not with our most recent recession, which has lasted a full four years, entrepreneurial start ups experience their greatest activity when unemployment spikes. The reason for this is that many people who lose their jobs who are more advanced in years often find it difficult to reenter the workforce. Coincidentally, this is also the same group to have a little capital tucked away, and also has the greatest level of experience and know how. Unfortunately, during the age of Obama, the number of these start up businesses has fallen to an all time low. We can thank the over zealous culture of regulation for that, but this is another topic entirely. The point is, that while it may not be fair to see more experienced people lose their jobs due to short sighted and shallow reasons, the answers lie in creating an environment that gives them the greatest chances for future success, and not in trying to legislate fairness into the equation.
No economic system is perfect. Capitalism should not be measured against Utopia, but against the other economic systems that exist.
Inequities can be pointed out in any economic system. Nothing is perfect, and further, perfection is not meant for this world. The lens of history is crystal clear on this point. The lot of the ordinary person has never been as bright as it has been in those nations that have allowed the maximum amount of personal liberty and freedom, both economically and socially. The lot of the ordinary person has never been so bleak as it has been in those nations that have imposed the greatest amounts of centralized control both economically and socially. The defending cry of centralized planners is always that they are defending the weak and down trodden. Yet, throughout history, time and again, their planning invariably results in greater amounts of hardship for the very masses they claim to care so much about. Is it rotten when bad things happen to good people? Of course it is, but the answer is to allow people the opportunity to rise above those hardships and to advance themselves to their desired social strata.
Harlan Sanders was 65 years old when he founded Kentucky Fried Chicken. He started the business almost immediately after his fourth bankruptcy, which he suffered after his employer forced him to leave the company because he was too old. One of the first people he hired in his new company was a man named Dave Thomas, fresh off of being fired from his job at a J.C. Penney’s Department Store. He later went on to found a small hamburger chain called Wendy’s. I am not saying that it does not suck to be fired, just that here in America, this is one of the places and systems that gives one the best chance to regroup and flourish after such an event.
Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.
“Life is not fair, princess, anyone that tells you anything differently is trying to sell you something”, Dread Pirate Roberts/Wesley to Princess Buttercup.
Life isn’t fair, and no amount of government interference can change that for the better. It can, however, make things worse. Stalin brought famine in th epersuit of equality, and the equality of misery to the Russian people as even the loftiest among the Politburo could be targets of the mad dictator’s paranoia. That is an equality we could do without. Likewise, though, is equality of oppertunity, really. Barack Obama and I are almost of an age, but he went to tony private schools and was moved along by benefactors who saw in him an oppertunity to produce a leading light for the Left. Does he really delude himself into believing that I had oppertunity equal to his? I doubt that he does. For all hi stalk of growing up in privation, he grew up in his Grandmother’s household, and she was a Bank Vice-President. Even when he lived in Indonesia, though, he lived a life of privilege. He wasn’t one of the Third World children who don’t get enough to eat every day.
Just back from Vacation. Many what a game that was!
@ Iron Fist:
Life isn’t fair and the more people recognize that, the better.
@ Iron Fist:
I don’t. He’s spent his entire life being force-fed leftist garbage, including the idea that there is some sort of institutional racism ingrained in American society.
I have no doubt that he actually believes that he got where he is today based on his own superior abilities.
Rodan wrote:
/but that’s not fair!
lobo91 wrote:
but there is… it’s call liberalism.
@ brookly red:
A fair is a place they give ribbons to prize hogs…
@ Rodan:
iron fist has something for you.
wrap your head in duct tape first, and wear goggles.
brookly red wrote:
Too bad we’re going to see the exact opposite. The OWS crowd is just the tip of the iceberg. We have an entire generation that was raised on the notion that they’re all “special,” competition is bad, and that you get a trophy (or a degree) for just showing up.
lobo91 wrote:
Then he’s delusional. Of course, he is a narcissist, so maybe he is that delusional.
PaladinPhil wrote:
arrrrrrr!!!!!
@ brookly red:
Not that Barack Obama has ever experienced what most of us would consider “American society,” anyway.
Iron Fist wrote:
in the city we call it congress…
Iron Fist wrote:
He’s a politician, so that goes without saying.
Everything I’ve ever heard about him indicates that he actually believes that he’s the smartest person in any room, and that he’s fulfilling some destiny to remake America. Half the country believes it, too.
@ lobo91:
That is at the heart of Obama’s worldview.
@ Iron Fist:
He believes his own hype.
Speaking of the smartest person in the room, Obama missed yet another budget deadline today, while making a campaign stop in Minneapolis:
@ lobo91:
Laws are fo rthe Little People. He’s the Sun King. We should be thanking him for ruling us…
Is this the same “consensus” they always talk about with regard to “global warming”?
@ Iron Fist:
He is the lord and Savior according to Jamie Fox!
lobo91 wrote:
They are openly admitting that they are using raw emotion to pass laws that logic would not pass. They are dispicable. I certainly hope That the Republican House will stand strong here, though they haven’t stood strong on much of anything else. If they don’t, it’ll destroy the Republican Party. If they sell out on gun control, there really isn’t much reason left to vote for a Republican in national elections.
@ Iron Fist:
They will not sell out on guns. They know if they did, they would be out of business.
@ lobo91:
racial hire dont need to listen to no honky assed deadline, suckah.
@ Iron Fist:
I don’t think it’ll even get through the Senate, at least not the crap that Feinstein wants. If they break that monstrosity up into individual pieces, one or two parts of it might pass.
I don’t consider Obama culturally American and I don’t think that he does either.
His allegiance is not to America as it is, but to the one that he is building.
Right, because they didn’t play the Montreal Alouettes/
@ lobo91:
There are two things that might get through: a ban on hi-capacity magazines and the “universal” background check, though how they will implement the latter is the real devil in the details. They really can’t enforce that without “universal” gun registration (and even then, criminals will simply ignore the law). I don’t see that getting through even this Senate, though I know that if the Dems take the House in 2014, Obama will be back with Feinstein’s wish-list in 2015. We have to hop ethat that doesn’t happen, and we have th hope that they get nothing out of this push.
This joke writes itself.
RIX wrote:
The gun control push isn’t all based on emotion. Some of it’s based on ignorance:
@ coldwarrior:
I wonder if the Dep of Enegy had a little windmill farm on
the roof of the Super Dome & the wind died.
Maybe the Gerbals went on strike.
Maybe Michelle said “Cut the power to the Honkys.”
Venezuela’s Chavez improving after tough cancer fight: Fidel Castro
@ Iron Fist:
I don’t think criminals are the only ones that would ignore universal registration or turn in magazines.
@ RIX:
Naw, Beyonce took a break from twitching her hips
Yet he has no interest in cleaning up the Chicago Street Gangs.
They are a core Obama constituency.
@ Tanker:
Nope…they’d just make a whole bunch of us criminals.
She should have had a pole to dance with.
lobo91 wrote:
And once we’re criminals we aren’t required to. See how it will all work out?
lobo91 wrote:
and that as I am sure you know is the whole point.
Tanker wrote:
Josey Wwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaales!!!!
Lemme ax you. When you skeet shoot, do you aim down range like Obama?
He has magic bullets that elevate themselves!
@ RIX:
Mooch disagrees:
coldwarrior wrote:
I was thinking “Have fun storming the castle!” or “Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!”
But I did not want to distract the thread.
lobo91 wrote:
four words that make Mooche’s life hell.
you
cant
buy
class
brookly red wrote:
Burma Shave!
@ Tanker:
The Dems want a national gun database.
Rodan wrote:
They’ve wanted one since 1968.
Rodan wrote:
Let them have it. I can assure you it will never reflect the truth or scope of what’s out here in the bushes!
lobo91 wrote:
actually since 1935
@ Tanker:
I know, it just creeps me out. They are so obvious and disgusting in what they are doing. I have no respect for people who take advantage of tragedy to pursue an agenda. The Democrats are pure scum for they way they were happy after Sandyhook.
@ lobo91:
Yup!
From the “you can’t make this stuff up” file:
so…Stallone is taking time out from promoting his new movie, which is called “A Bullet to the Head,” to push gun control?
Tanker wrote:
that is something they are not prepared to deal with, now if they can’t keep kilos of cocaine out of the country good luck keeping cases of rifles out.
@ brookly red:
It was in the original version of the 1968 bill. They took it out in order to get it passed.
Tanker wrote:
They know that. They don’t care.
It just gives them something else to charge you with.
@ lobo91:
He’s needs to star in another movie. I am convinced t6hese artists saying all this Lefty stuff so they can get work.
lobo91 wrote:
I was snarking about Germany in 35… you know comparing gun grabbers to nazis and all…
@ lobo91:
I wonder if Mocchelle thinks that Beyonce’s bumping & grinding
is role model stuff for her daughters.
Rodan wrote:
Joe Mc Carthy may have been a prick but that doesn’t make him wrong.
So, the same media morons who don’t know the difference between a machine gun and a semi-auto rifle also don’t know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun.
Yet we’re supposed to agree with these idiots when they tell us what laws need to be passed?
RIX wrote:
well by the next superbowl she may well be in a bur-qua
Commie nut jobs ruining Argentina “freeze” food prices.
Like they are God’s or something.
30% inflation
Blame the bankers game, blame the “1%” blame, blame, blame.
Yo, I don’t use no condominiums.
RIX wrote:
its darth cheney and chinmpymcbushitler’s fault.
Inshallah, that would be a better look for her.
coldwarrior wrote:
They blew up the transformers!
//
Just as I suspected!
taxfreekiller wrote:
so is dictating what a doctor can charge any different…
RIX wrote:
hey you can’t fault her on her looks…
lobo91 wrote:
with their weather machine because they hate the chocolate city!
Off topic but, I usually get 1 or 2 spam messages a day… today I have gotten over 100. wtf is going on?
@ brookly red:
No, not Beyonce, she’s hot.
I thought that you meant Mooch in a burqua.
That is something that I can support, a hag in a bag.
commie do what commies do
over
and
over
and
over
same failed results
Obama, Al Gore, the Clintons all of them know.
They just want power for themselves end of story.@ brookly red:
RIX wrote:
I could out do Stephen King at horror any day…
… in the darkness Barry fails to notice that it is actually Hillary not Moochelle in the burque, and then she cackled.
U.S. to sue S&P over ratings ahead of financial crisis
More commie solutions: sue somebody else for their own failings
waldensianspirit wrote:
God willing I will be on that jury.
waldensianspirit wrote:
The ratings agencies were actually a key part of the housing bubble collapse.
That is horror!
Farrkhan accuses U.S. Government of plot to kill “billions”.
Sounds like Ludwig Van Quixote!
@ waldensianspirit:
@ brookly red:
If the ratings agencies hadn’t done their part and rated bundles of C and D graded mortgages as AA securities, the mortgage crisis probably wouldn’t have happened, because the banks couldn’t have conned investors into buying them.
The Osprey wrote:
They went to work with eugenics and Planned Parenthood and pills that aborted children. And it was concentrated in the black community. At that time, the Hispanics were not the ones that were the majority of the minority populations. It was the blacks.”
well he may wanna ask Barry why he is so buddy-buddy with planed parent hood.
FNC reporting that Alabama kidnapper is dead and the kid is safe.
lobo91 wrote:
and if the feds hadn’t held a gun to their heads they might well have…
taxfreekiller wrote:
nixon….price controls…
Good outcome. They are not saying how the guy died.
More to come.
coldwarrior wrote:
Clinton: 150$ for a BJ ?!!?
RIX wrote:
It probably had something to do with a “BOOM” that was heard.
RIX wrote:
I am ruling out natural causes…
Could have. They are having a press conference in 10 minutes.
huckfunn wrote:
he probably shot himself… next lib talking point: you don’t need a 20 round magazine to shoot your self!
Wee you know, there is that flu going around./
@ lobo91:
the ratings agencies failed their basic fiduciary duties utterly.
brookly red wrote:
Indeed! Also, we need to start a national diaglog on banning school buses. ///
brookly red wrote:
thats called a bubble, not inflation.
RIX wrote:
more likely a lead allergy…
huckfunn wrote:
actually we did that in the 60′s it was not a bad idea…
That would be my guess. Hey, shit happens!
brookly red wrote:
oh, is that what you kids call it nowdays?
coldwarrior wrote:
Absolutely.
That wasn’t the government’s fault. They received fees for their services from the banks that held the worthless mortgages, which was all that they cared about.
RIX wrote:
or maybe the kid shanked him when he was taking a shit?
This poor kid is special needs & was crying for his parents.
He will take a while to get past this.
Hmm…if the NRA membership is at odds with the leadership, how do you explain the fact that we’ve gained 250,000 new members in the past month?
RIX wrote:
yes, if ever
lobo91 wrote:
hence high capacity magazines…
@ lobo91:
Notice that he speaks in Minnesota? He overflies his crime ridden
hometown Chicago.
Everybody will turn in their weapon & be issued a government slingshot.
Appropriate training & liability coverage will be required.
@ brookly red:
Yes.
@ RIX:
The Secret Service probably told him Chicago was too dangerous.
But Obama shoots skeet!
RIX wrote:
/I heard he was going quail hunting with Bill & Hillary…
lobo91 wrote:
Must be all his peeps he “do skeet shooting with all the time”.
Comrade zero must be part a-rab to just lie and believe his own lie because he heard himself say it.
if I could get my hands on that asshole in AL, I strangle him myself…it really upsets me to see defenseless people, kids, the elderly, the disabled being used, frightened, abused or worse…creating fear and hopelessness is evil
@ brookly red:
I know that there is a lot of snickering & mocking over Obama skeet shooting.
But seriously, since BHO started to cull the herd, there have been no
credible reports of skeet attacks.
RIX wrote:
all hail our brave and glorious leader!
He gives too much.
I have been fearing a second revolution in this country for sometime…
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/illinois/sneaker-tax-illinois-considers-a--cent-charge/article_51020583-02c9-51ce-b858-1e07054a4648.html
now with a sneaker tax in Chicago it is all but certain
RIX wrote:
he does. a ‘shining path’ for us all!
brookly red wrote:
make it $20 a pair!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! FEEL THE PAIN!
RIX wrote:
everyone needs to see this… http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1811315/
it was insane,
@ coldwarrior:
“Nobody needs $300 shoes to kill a deer!”
//
A role model among roll models. The Ayatollah of slo jammin cool.
coldwarrior wrote:
feel the pain? ooooh I could sell that to Nike
thanks dude.
the donald fights back.
this is how you handle lefti o-bots.
brookly red wrote:
I don’t do Hollywood movies
lobo91 wrote:
ummm…..*raises hand*
(danner go-devils and danner mountain light II owner)
heysoos wrote:
neither do I …this was far from hollywood
@ brookly red:
at least mention me in the pitch meeting, mmmkay?
@ brookly red:
That’s just nuckin futs! Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer is a great documentry
though.
lobo91 wrote:
now if Chicago would have a gang affiliation tax, OK.
tattoo tax, ok… rolling paper tax, no problem… tinted windshield tax, highly recommended. Hoddie tax? LOL now we are getting some where… custom rims tax, most excellent
Hey hows about an abortion tax… 2 can play this.
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised…
brookly red wrote:
Can’t pay that if you’re just scraping by…
coldwarrior wrote:
huh? OK yeah sure… Carmine, take a note, mention old warrior.
brookly red wrote:
flat consumption tax.
werd, homie.
heysoos wrote:
Doesn’t that Bollywood stuff get awful tedious?
brookly red wrote:
yeah, thanks.
lobo91 wrote:
the one thing I don’t get is if it is all communists how is that diverse?
@ brookly red:
The “diversity” preached by the left is superficial. It’s always based on skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or other surface characteristics.
They don’t do intellectual diversity.
@ brookly red:
How about every time a dude says “Yamo bust a cap yo ass” he is fined
a dollar?
Each “Mahfah” $2.00?
That could add up to serious money.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
phuc who cares… the unions need a raise.
RIX wrote:
at fitty cent a “bitch” we could reduce the deficit greatly
@ brookly red:
Especially if we extend it to include rap music.
lobo91 wrote:
really?
lobo91 wrote:
True—and only certain special surface characteristics need apply. “Asian” is not diverse if you’re looking at college admissions quotas, because they get in on their own merit; same with Jews. Jews don’t count in office diversity either, though Asians sometimes do. All white people are the same, unless they’re Hispanic, but then only from South America—but Australians and Poles and Italians and Norwegians and Russians are all fungible.
And don’t forget, conservative views wipe out “diversity” characterists.
lobo91 wrote:
oh now we are getting somewhere
another budget deadline blown off by BO…no stimulus reports, both required by law…time to call my lawyer
@ buzzsawmonkey:
And blacks whose ancestors have been in the US for 400 years are “African-American,” while a white person who comes here from Africa isn’t.
China would be happy, we could actually pay them back.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
OK so in NYC we have a whole new ethnic group the offspring of Jewish guys who marry Asian women… what is the politically correct term? Jewanese? or MBAs?
heysoos wrote:
Don’t bother. You don’t have standing.
lobo91 wrote:
I beg your pardon sir! Teresa Kerry Is an African-American!
lobo91 wrote:
and if you ain’t standing you must be kneeling… let’s bring the whole thing down.
RIX wrote:
actually NO… think of them as a credit card company… the last thing they want is to be paid off.
I think that they view us as a bad risk.
RIX wrote:
so they repo Taiwan like o gives a fuck?
lobo91 wrote:
yes but come on the ever so popular full body scanner lady? even the libs don’t like her, and besides Soros’s cancer will have taken him down by then so there goes the funding… and speaking of cancer do you think for a minute the Clintons would allow it?
@ brookly red:
The Soros son is even worse
brookly red wrote:
and besides her name ends in a vowel… she is presumably a Catholic and there is no way a Catholic lesbian is getting elected let alone surviving a Clinton campaign
@ brookly red:
But look at all her achievements!
Err…ummm…welll…
Okay…never mind.
waldensianspirit wrote:
the devil is the devil there is no worse. God either judges us worthy and sends them all back to hell, or he does not.
lobo91 wrote:
I see a corkscrew landing into Kabul in her future…
Ahmadinejad says he is ready to be first Iranian in space
Moe Katz wrote:
God willing he will be…
Moe Katz wrote:
Did you see this?
lobo91 wrote:
oh so by Iranian standards McCain called him a Jew?
lobo91 wrote:
as far as lib outrage goes you know what? fuck them where they pour their starbucks … who cares. I am tired of them
This is probably going to be lost at the bottom of this thread, but I’ve noticed a little scam that businesses are pulling a lot the last few years. I’ve been victim to it myself.
First the 90 day probationary period. There are many companies (I can name 5 in my town alone) that hire people and terminate them within three days of hitting the end of the probation.
Second is the hiring a veteran and hiring someone on public assistance tax credit. Since it happens within 54 days I believe (it may have been changed since I was employed) they also receive this tax credit for employees they have already terminated.
This is a blatant scam and gaming of the system. Another game is terminating people just before they become eligible for benefits. (This goes hand in hand with the probationary period in many cases.)
Mars wrote:
hey welcome to the new American slavery, we call it the 1500 hour club in NYC… seriously why in the age of obamacare/obama taxes would any one in their right mind actually hire anybody? If you hire them they could sue you… I just got let go last week, they promised a job but I got 1498 hrs… I can’t blame them, but this is where unions came from.
@ 63 taxfreekiller: Corruption and committees is what kills Argentina. The only cure for them is capitalism with good markets.
@ darkwords: Any country that gets an overload of leftist is headed to “tilt”
Rodan wrote:
Unfortunately with Stallone that’s not the case. He is currently in different phases of 6 different films. All of which are violent action films.
@ 82 brookly red: I think he means the Democrats not the Feds. He is conflating racism against blacks in to both parties. When it was all democrats.
brookly red wrote:
they did they sexual revolution thing to labor. we put out without a commitment we got what we deserved.
brookly red wrote:
That’s what kills me. I defend the free market and capitalism and every time I turn around some moronic company is pulling the exact shit the unions and OWS types are accusing them of.
WTF is wrong with them, don’t they see the endgame they are enabling?
I know, the bottom line is all that counts. Screw the future, screw the employee, screw the country. Get your money now and maybe you’ll be rich enough to run when it all comes tumbling down.
@ 83 huckfunn: good news. I’m not tolerant on stuff like that or the PSTD shooter. They should just have the balls to put a buller in their own heads before they torment a kid or take some random persons life. No one gives a rats ass for their screwed up life. Not now. Not tomorrow. Can’t make it? Go check out then.
@ 87 brookly red: There are still plenty of men and women in the country who would pay $1000 to give ol Bill a BJ. That is all he really has to do the rest of his life.
And the whole welfare/veterans tax credit thing was a setup by the feds anyway. That way they can drive up the numbers of people on welfare and disabled vets hired numbers, and then they get terminated anyway and no one counts it because it’s in probation and it doesn’t increase the unemployment numbers.
Total federal numbers game.
Mars wrote:
dude, it is all tumbling down.
@ 103 lobo91:
claiming gun owners support the “hysterical” gun control measures he’s proposed — and urging those supporters to “keep the hysteria” on Congress.
@ lobo91:
LOL. The monkey turns out to have been a hoax, too.
@ 103 lobo91: I’d want a national voterID first before universal gun registration. Or make it so only the regulate militia can vote. Blogship Troopers.
darkwords wrote:
That’s what I’ve been saying. Everytime one of these killers go off, I yell that they killed the wrong one last.
darkwords wrote:
now you said something worth responding to
brookly red wrote:
And yet they keep playing their games and feeding into the cliches.
A revolution in the works?
Mars wrote:
and yet we keep electing them and not hanging them from lampposts
Tarkenton: Mickelson was right on taxes
brookly red wrote:
Well, in this case I’m specifically talking about company heads. But, similar criteria.
Mars wrote:
welcome to the new American slavery. deal with it.
brookly red wrote:
Too true. But, it makes it hard as a free market capitalist to keep defending people who act like jackasses.
@ brookly red:
@ Mars:
until regulations are cut, the owners have no choice but to make a profit however they can. this is the environment they must function in, the ever smaller box of compliance in an ever more expensive world of rules.
they have a responsibility to their investors to turn a profit. until there is a drastic change in the landscape this is the new normal and it will get worse as obamacare rolls in.
coldwarrior wrote:
Yeah, but the worst part is this crap started before the won even got elected the first time. Shows how “business friendly” Bush was.
Mars wrote:
there it is.
@ Mars:
training costs big money. so in this environment it is cheaper to dump and train than hold onto a trained new employee. this is regulation driven.
@ coldwarrior:
this does not take into account lost productivity and management time wasted.
coldwarrior wrote:
Agreed. Well, and the fact my last employer that did that is a well known asshole and crook.
Mars wrote:
some owners of massed capital are assholes. such is life.
coldwarrior wrote:
all true. welcome to the new American slavery.
PaladinPhil wrote:
I can deal with that.
But when the government changes the rules to favor one group over another, that isn’t “unfairness” -- it’s INJUSTICE.
HUGE difference.
Such as “Obamacare” making it prohibitively expensive to hire older workers for full-time jobs.
Or “affirmative action.”
Or “minority set-asides.”
Or subsidies for the president’s pet projects, such as Solyndra.
Mars wrote:
Here again, not unfairness, but blatant INJUSTICE, in which the government puts its nasty thumb on the scales and thus incentivizes and/or coerces private parties to do wrong.
What we have is a classic fascist economy. There is still private ownership, but the government controls pretty much everything.