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As I Shoveled 8 Inches Of Global Warming From My Driveway On Saturday I Wondered, When Will It Be Environmentalist Season?

by Flyovercountry ( 352 Comments › )
Filed under Climate at February 5th, 2013 - 2:00 pm

Michael Ramirez Cartoon

On Saturday Afternoon, I had the privilege of using my fossil fuel burning snow removal beast to remove a full 8 inches of catastrophic global warming from my driveway. This allowed me to kill two birds with one stone. One, I was then able to leave and enter my garage with a motor vehicle. Two, and this one is the truly great thing that I did, I did my part, at least according to the lore of the most pernicious hoax every perpetrated against any society, to aid in warming up the place, meaning Planet Earth.

In the debate, which is not over by the way, as to whether the Earth is warming, and whether that warming is caused by the activity of man, including SUV’s, farting cows, air conditioning, industrialized activities, or utilizing any form of transportation that does not include walking, we have lost the fact somehow that prior periods of global warming in human history have been extremely beneficial to every inhabitant of our third rock from the sun. (I credit this reference to the Jimi Hendrix tune, and not the short lived sitcom, funny though, it may have been.)

I woke up Saturday to no less then a half dozen face book homages from my politically left of center friends to the great global warming hoax. Ban the Keystone XL pipeline, stop drinking water out of plastic bottles, (this one made me laugh, since plastic bottles were inflicted upon us all by the environazi crowd to begin with,) ban nuclear power, eat vegan since plants don’t fart carbon dioxide and methane, shut down the corporate farmer, who is more concerned with growing ample food to feed the world than the more enlightened concern that they should have, which is their carbon footprint. I noticed something about all of these posts, and it may just be coincidental. Each of the offending poster hailed from the beautiful climate experienced in either California, or Florida.

So, as I trudged out into the 5 degree temperature, to remove 8 inches of snow on Groundhog Day, cursing the rodent’s prediction of another 6 weeks of cold weather snow removal, I had another thought. I’m tired of being told by idiots, who really do not have the slightest clue as to anything actually related to science, any topic relating to anything having to do with economics, nor as to what the whether is like for anyone not living in California, what I should be hoping for in terms of wrecking our economy to combat a nonexistent problem. What it comes down to my fine leftist friends, living in climate paradise, is that if there is a choice between, (and realize that your vision of catastrophe is not one that I share,) my spending future winters in constant snow removal duty, or you having prettier bike paths to enjoy, I have one thing to say. Surf’s up!

The bulk of Robert Redford’s idiocy follows:

Real economic security is found in clean energy. That’s our future, not dirty energy that threatens us with ever worsening harm from climate change.

From rejecting the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline to limiting carbon pollution from our nation’s dirty power plants, President Barack Obama’s legacy will rest squarely on his response, resolve, and leadership in solving the climate crisis.

The Keystone XL tar sands pipeline would carry the dirtiest oil on the planet from Canada to America’s Gulf Coast’s refineries and ports, and then most of it likely exported overseas. It would promote one of the most damaging industrial practices ever devised, to coax low-grade crude oil from tar sands. We don’t need another pipeline for Canadian tar sands. It’s not in our national interest but is a profit scheme for big oil that needs to be rejected.

And in addition to the ability to say no to this dirty fuels project, the president has both the authority and the responsibility to limit the amount of industrial carbon pollution emitted from power plants. Taking this action will set the right course for reducing carbon pollution domestically and send the right signals that the U.S. is ready to lead globally. The Natural Resources Defense Council has laid out a common-sense plan that will cut carbon pollution; provide jobs to thousands of Americans; and save families real money in electricity bills.

It’s the 21st century. We’re not about to turn back now. Wind, solar, and other renewable power, now that, to me, is the future. It’s clean energy that will produce new and plentiful jobs for generations to come without the disastrous effects of tar sands and carbon-belching power plants.

Robert Redford is an actor, and a fine one at that. His expertise ends there, and that is where he should limit himself in terms of lecturing the rest of us. Redford of course has no degree in anything at all related to the field of scientific endeavor. As a matter of fact, he never actually bothered with graduating from college, where he took zero classes in the fields of mathematics or science. He also eschewed any actual study in the science of Economics, which is another pillar of his belief system. So, while about two dozen nations who followed this path to oblivion have already proven that the green economy leads to higher electricity prices, power outages, and famine, fear not, Robert Redford and his complete lack of any real knowledge is here to tell us what to do.

The truly inspirational thing to remember here, is that his life will not be impacted in the slightest with the consequences of continuing along this self destructive path. Such is the joy of liberalism. Others, who are exempted from the actual consequences of their stupidity, are able to convince many who reside in that land called reality, that they care about us all. Robert you see travels in private jets, drives the biggest cars, lives in a mansion that uses 20 to 30 times the electricity as we mere mortals, and smugly tells the rest of us that we must take the actions necessary to save the planet. While the rest of us live with the hardships inflicted by liberal policies, Robert will continue his current lifestyle, completely unchanged, totally oblivious to the very real consequences of his belief system. Consequences you see are for the little people to enjoy, and never for the liberal elite who’s guidance we followed.

It’s been over a year since I linked to this video, but just in case anyone is interested, here is the best argument against catastrophic global warming alarmism on the web. It’s an hour and a half, and well worth your time. Be forewarned, the video contains actual science, and if you are not in the mood for that sort of wonkishness, you may find it boring. I will say however that Warren Meyer does as good a job at explaining things to the lay person as it is possible to do.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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352 Responses to “As I Shoveled 8 Inches Of Global Warming From My Driveway On Saturday I Wondered, When Will It Be Environmentalist Season?”
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  1. song_and_dance_man
    1 | February 5, 2013 2:20 pm

    Robert Redford knows as much about the complex dynamics of our environment as Foster knows about evolution or dieting.


  2. 2 | February 5, 2013 2:21 pm

    Well, climate sensitivity to CO2 is taking a huge hit in recent peer-reviewed studies. Oops. The greenie-weenies had their shot and they blew it. Now the public has other things to worry about and their models have had their legs cut out from under them by an increasing number of studies that show they’re bullshit.


  3. waldensianspirit
    3 | February 5, 2013 2:24 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    Hence the worms. You are responsible for the worms


  4. song_and_dance_man
    4 | February 5, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    When will the stupidity end. Uh…before major urbanization where large chunks of the earth were covered there had to be more worms than there are today.


  5. 5 | February 5, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    I’ve waited decades to see this spoof tune become pertinent. Thank You!

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33oMh7u9tcQ


  6. 6 | February 5, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Read that over at WUWT. Heh.


  7. song_and_dance_man
    7 | February 5, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    What do buds have to do with worms? Still…funny lyrics.


  8. Lily
    8 | February 5, 2013 2:35 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    When will the stupidity end. Uh…before major urbanization where large chunks of the earth were covered there had to be more worms than there are today.

    I have a better one than that. The weather prediction for me the other day was *delightful*. Really? Oh indeedy it was in the paper.
    /no I’m not kidding…then I had my husband all that day say well is your day delightful…hell if I know look outside does it look delightful to you?
    I wonder if the next rainy cold day they will print…colder than a witches t*t?


  9. song_and_dance_man
    9 | February 5, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ Lily:
    Tomorrows forecast for here is Neato/


  10. 10 | February 5, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    This particular spoof predates youtube by a good amount of time. I couldn’t find a version other than the one I played, and I did look. Other than that, I can remember being among a group truly pissed at the entire stupidity of the we-are-the-world-crowd, believing that meeting along High Street in my particular town and holding hands was going to accomplish anything other selling records for Quincy Jones and his long suffering pocket book. That’s when this tune started being played on the radio, way back in either 1984 or 1985. I thought it was Wierd Al, but I may be mistaken.


  11. brookly red
    11 | February 5, 2013 2:40 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:
    What do buds have to do with worms? Still…funny lyrics.

    because you would have to be stoned to come up with that I guess…


  12. Lily
    12 | February 5, 2013 2:40 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I’ll be darn you could be a meteorologist!!!! You have what it takes!
    /just look outside and report what you see with different words!

    :lol: :lol: :lol:


  13. RIX
    13 | February 5, 2013 2:41 pm

    Al Gore claims in “An Inconvenient Truth” that a polar bear drowned tying
    to swim 60 miles to solid ice, all due to AGW.
    How would anybody know that? Did the bear make his final cell phone
    call, “I’m not gonna make it. I’m goin down,glug, glug, glug.”


  14. Lily
    14 | February 5, 2013 2:44 pm

    @ RIX:

    Very good question *how the hell did he know?* Fairy tales and bad ones at that too. Al Gore needs to go have a delightful day somewhere out of the public’s eye forever.


  15. brookly red
    15 | February 5, 2013 2:44 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Al Gore claims in “An Inconvenient Truth” that a polar bear drowned tying
    to swim 60 miles to solid ice, all due to AGW.
    How would anybody know that? Did the bear make his final cell phone
    call, “I’m not gonna make it. I’m goin down,glug, glug, glug.”

    here, hold my seal…

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/4/book-polar-bear-population-rise/


  16. Lily
    16 | February 5, 2013 2:47 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    @ Flyovercountry:
    What do buds have to do with worms? Still…funny lyrics.
    because you would have to be stoned to come up with that I guess…

    Darn…I thought stoned with rocks there at first! What a dummy I am today….or am I stoned? I did eat a couple of cookies. I don’t know… it’s kinda like waiting for a stop sign to turn green. Takes forever.

    ////
    just kidding! ;)
    ;)


  17. Guggi
    17 | February 5, 2013 2:48 pm

    Although OT I’ll repost this here b’cause I think I have point in this:

    More and more O. reminds me of the plebeian tribunes of the late Roman republic like Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus and his brother Gaius or Lucius Appuleius Saturninus and Marcus Livius Drusus. They all tried to circumvent the Senate by populism and a “popular vote” to reach their goals to alter the republic.


  18. Guggi
    18 | February 5, 2013 2:48 pm

    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces

    (NYT)


  19. Lily
    19 | February 5, 2013 2:51 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces
    (NYT)

    I think it will first have to happen first before anyone believes it.
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…


  20. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | February 5, 2013 2:51 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces

    Phooey.


  21. Guggi
    21 | February 5, 2013 2:54 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He’s working for the midterm election.


  22. brookly red
    22 | February 5, 2013 2:55 pm

    <Lily wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces
    (NYT)

    I think it will first have to happen first before anyone believes it.
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…

    see I told you bad things would happen when the word got out they had oil…


  23. Lily
    23 | February 5, 2013 2:55 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Already? Makes sense though.
    /either way I don’t trust him.


  24. 24 | February 5, 2013 2:56 pm

    No Assault Weapons Ban in the Senate. It looks like their real push is going to be Universal Background Checks. That might make it through theHouse, but I doubt it. The only way to enforce Universal Background Checks is through Universal Registration, and that raises a Big Red Flag. Gangbangers, of course, will ignore all of this while running up another record-breaking season in Chicago, home of the strictest gun control in the country.


  25. song_and_dance_man
    25 | February 5, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Most of the time these endeavors are really about celebrities and artists to show they care. Sure the proceeds go to charities, but what happened after Band Aid, Live Aid, We Are the World and Don’t They Know it’s Christmas Time. I know what’s his name from the Boomtown Rats that put on Live Aid keep it going for a while. And people like Bono going about showcasing their ignorance. The one that is still going strong is Farm Aid. At least this one helps American farmers.


  26. buzzsawmonkey
    26 | February 5, 2013 2:56 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces

    Jerusalem
    —apologies to William Blake and “Jerusalem”

    And did those feet, ere election
    Once walk before the Western Wall?
    And did the president-to-be
    E’en then plan Netanyahu’s fall?

    Did his anti-colonial mind
    Then clench the fist of his left hand
    And dream Jerusalem held entire
    By murderous Palestinians?

    “Bring me my club of foreign aid!
    “Bring appeasement to the UN!
    “Bring a blind eye now to al-Qaed’!
    “Bring the old borders up again!

    “I will not cease to temporize
    “Nor oppose nuclear Iran
    “Till Arabs wrest Jerusalem
    “From Israel’s devastated land.”


  27. Lily
    27 | February 5, 2013 2:57 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    <Lily wrote:
    Guggi wrote:
    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces
    (NYT)
    I think it will first have to happen first before anyone believes it.
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…
    see I told you bad things would happen when the word got out they had oil…

    No joke there. I wonder if Israel will be busy that week? Like just can’t fit you in….but hey call we’ll do lunch in the fall. ;)


  28. 28 | February 5, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ Lily:

    It is never too soon to start campaigning. Obama started campaigning for his second term before he was even in office. He wants to get the House back, something Bill Clinton was never able to do. God help us if he does, because the Democrats will be in a vengeful mood.


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | February 5, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Always said that Feinstein’s bill was the sacrifice/stalking horse for the real, incremental nastiness.


  30. 30 | February 5, 2013 2:58 pm

    I’m reposting this here on the live thread to see if anyone can help explain it.


  31. brookly red
    31 | February 5, 2013 2:59 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    <Lily wrote:
    Guggi wrote:
    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces
    (NYT)
    I think it will first have to happen first before anyone believes it.
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…
    see I told you bad things would happen when the word got out they had oil…

    No joke there. I wonder if Israel will be busy that week? Like just can’t fit you in….but hey call we’ll do lunch in the fall.

    they will probably invite the Dali Lama for that week…


  32. song_and_dance_man
    32 | February 5, 2013 3:00 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    That’s when this tune started being played on the radio, way back in either 1984 or 1985. I thought it was Wierd Al, but I may be mistaken.

    Did you hear it on the Dr. Demento show? That was where I first heard Weird Al. Oh and BTW I looked it up. We are The Worms is by some dude named Ken Johnson.


  33. 33 | February 5, 2013 3:00 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces
    (NYT)

    Will be be wearing a bomb vest?


  34. Lily
    34 | February 5, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You are right. It seems like that is all he does and yes God help us if he gets what he wants.


  35. song_and_dance_man
    36 | February 5, 2013 3:01 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I’ll be darn you could be a meteorologist!!!! You have what it takes!

    Why? I could be the next Al Roker.


  36. Lily
    37 | February 5, 2013 3:03 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I’m reposting this here on the live thread to see if anyone can help explain it.

    Still gloating about obama’s win? Or they haven’t found another republican to complain about yet? Or haven’t realized the election is over and obama won?
    /I’d bank money on the third one. ;)


  37. 38 | February 5, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah, it never had a chance of passing the Senate. They want the Universal Background Check as step towards gun registration. They know the gangbangers and assorted criminals will ignore it, just as they ignore the laws in Chicago. Gun control is not and has never been about crime control. It has always been about restricting the freedom of the law-abiding. It was when it was the KKK persuing it in the post-Civil War South, it was when FDR persued it, it was when Johnson signed the ’68 GCA, and so forth. That is why all of it must be opposed.


  38. song_and_dance_man
    39 | February 5, 2013 3:04 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces
    (NYT)

    Probably to meet with Hamas.


  39. Guggi
    40 | February 5, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    So true !!!


  40. song_and_dance_man
    41 | February 5, 2013 3:04 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I’m reposting this here on the live thread to see if anyone can help explain it.

    Could it be Mooch or Cackle?


  41. Lily
    42 | February 5, 2013 3:05 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I’ll be darn you could be a meteorologist!!!! You have what it takes!
    Why? I could be the next Al Roker.

    Indeed….all you need to do is get your thesaurus out and away you go making the big bucks. Today’s forecast will be delightfully lovely!
    (Whatever that means.)


  42. 43 | February 5, 2013 3:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Still gloating about obama’s win? Or they haven’t found another republican to complain about yet? Or haven’t realized the election is over and obama won?
    /I’d bank money on the third one. ;)

    Or? Are they now going to actually start blaming things on a candidate who lost?


  43. Lily
    44 | February 5, 2013 3:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    <Lily wrote:
    Guggi wrote:
    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces
    (NYT)
    I think it will first have to happen first before anyone believes it.
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…
    see I told you bad things would happen when the word got out they had oil…
    No joke there. I wonder if Israel will be busy that week? Like just can’t fit you in….but hey call we’ll do lunch in the fall.
    they will probably invite the Dali Lama for that week…

    Oh that is indeed a good one. LOL!


  44. brookly red
    45 | February 5, 2013 3:06 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    Obama to Visit Israel This Spring, White House Announces
    (NYT)

    Probably to meet with Hamas.

    wouldn’t it be easier to have them over to the whitehouse, again?


  45. song_and_dance_man
    46 | February 5, 2013 3:06 pm

    Lily wrote:

    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…

    Camp David, golf or a vacation.


  46. 47 | February 5, 2013 3:08 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Pentagon to extend certain benefits to same-sex spouses

    How will we ever undo this?

    We’re done.


  47. Guggi
    48 | February 5, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    ..or the PIJ which has good ties to the MB in Egypt.


  48. song_and_dance_man
    49 | February 5, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    What is infuriating is once again the Right is allowing the Left to frame the debate. The 2nd Amendment was never about hunting or sport.


  49. Guggi
    50 | February 5, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    devastating, isn’t it ?


  50. Lily
    51 | February 5, 2013 3:09 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Still gloating about obama’s win? Or they haven’t found another republican to complain about yet? Or haven’t realized the election is over and obama won?
    /I’d bank money on the third one.
    Or? Are they now going to actually start blaming things on a candidate who lost?

    Why yes! By George I think you honestly nailed it!!!
    /wish I would have thought of that.


  51. 52 | February 5, 2013 3:11 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    How will we ever undo this?
    We’re done

    That is kind of the point. Obama’s fundamental transformation of America into something quite un-American is ongoing.


  52. Lily
    53 | February 5, 2013 3:12 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…
    Camp David, golf or a vacation.

    An expensive golf vacation with his wife going to a different place so the extra plane and security. obama isn’t vacationing or happy if he isn’t spending our tax dollars on his entertainment.


  53. Lily
    54 | February 5, 2013 3:13 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    Pentagon to extend certain benefits to same-sex spouses
    How will we ever undo this?
    We’re done.

    It’s insane to be honest and how do you fix insane? I honestly don’t know.


  54. Da_Beerfreak
    55 | February 5, 2013 3:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah, it never had a chance of passing the Senate. They want the Universal Background Check as step towards gun registration. They know the gangbangers and assorted criminals will ignore it, just as they ignore the laws in Chicago. Gun control is not and has never been about crime control. It has always been about restricting the freedom of the law-abiding. It was when it was the KKK persuing it in the post-Civil War South, it was when FDR persued it, it was when Johnson signed the ’68 GCA, and so forth. That is why all of it must be opposed.

    The Trolls in DC Town have had no problems living with several tens of million of undocumented aliens lose in the Country. They will just have to get use to living with several tens of million undocumented of Gun Owners that have been living here longer.


  55. Guggi
    56 | February 5, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    …because he doesn’t like pot smokers on his part of the beach ?


  56. brookly red
    57 | February 5, 2013 3:14 pm

    Lily wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…
    Camp David, golf or a vacation.

    An expensive golf vacation with his wife going to a different place so the extra plane and security. obama isn’t vacationing or happy if he isn’t spending our tax dollars on his entertainment.

    nothing is worse than a commie with expensive tastes…


  57. Lily
    58 | February 5, 2013 3:14 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    How will we ever undo this?
    We’re done
    That is kind of the point. Obama’s fundamental transformation of America into something quite un-American is ongoing.

    When he meant change he meant change…but not the kind we will like.
    It’s just crazy …and it just keeps getting worse.


  58. Guggi
    59 | February 5, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Mitt Romney knows what beaches are for: a stiff club soda at sunset, friendly games of Name That Sand (ooh, Arkose!), and occasionally getting your shins wet (don’t forget the water shoes!). Romney did not buy his $14 million beachfront La Jolla home so he could smell noxious reefers blowing from some drug-addled drifter. The Times visited his La Jolla neighborhood and found a man who “recalled that Mr. Romney confronted him as he smoked marijuana and drank on the beach last summer, demanding that he stop.”

    (Source )


  59. 60 | February 5, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    No, it was not, and the Supreme Court has even said that. It will be very interesting to see what the current court does with some of this legislation once it winds its way there. I read earlier today where they’ve already filed the papers to give a Notice of Intent to Sue to New York State over their new gun control laws. I hope the Appellate court slaps them with an injunction sometime this summer (the State has 90 days to respond). The Supreme Court has found that the Second Amendment is about Self-Defense, and who is some nameless legislator to tell me what I need for self-defense in my own home? Frankly, that goes for machineguns and suppressors, too, and most especially short-barreled rifles and shotguns.


  60. Lily
    61 | February 5, 2013 3:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…
    Camp David, golf or a vacation.
    An expensive golf vacation with his wife going to a different place so the extra plane and security. obama isn’t vacationing or happy if he isn’t spending our tax dollars on his entertainment.
    nothing is worse than a commie with expensive tastes…

    Isn’t that the truth and expensive is his middle name! Now if 1/2 of American people will wake up to it! The other 1/2 that is.


  61. brookly red
    62 | February 5, 2013 3:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I read earlier today where they’ve already filed the papers to give a Notice of Intent to Sue to New York State over their new gun control laws.

    say what? :)


  62. 63 | February 5, 2013 3:20 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    They will just have to get use to living with several tens of million undocumented of Gun Owners that have been living here longer.

    Yes we are simply undocumented gun owners, and that is the way it should stay. Nt illegal gun owners, mind you, but undocumented.


  63. 64 | February 5, 2013 3:20 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That is kind of the point. Obama’s fundamental transformation of America into something quite un-American is ongoing.

    More than un-American, unearthly, alien, hostile to reason.


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | February 5, 2013 3:20 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Pentagon to extend certain benefits to same-sex spouses

    Can’t wait until the first transgender soldier puts in for maternity leave.

    Seriously, though, despite my general unease where this is concerned, if one accepts the concept of domestic partnership laws then this cannot be avoided.

    That is, however, why the line must be drawn between the term “domestic partnership” for same-sex couples and “marriage” for traditional couples. Permitting “marriage” between members of the same sex—creating a new form of marriage—plays havoc with too many aspects of the legal system and the Constitution. No matter how often or how loudly you call a tail a leg, a dog still only has four legs.

    Of course, what I think is beside the point; if/when the First DA/DT Justice writes the Supreme Court’s opinion this Spring, the First Amendment and the Tenth Amendment are done, and same-sex marriage will be a “civil right” forced on all fifty states.


  65. brookly red
    66 | February 5, 2013 3:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    /I’m sure something will come up to prevent it…
    Camp David, golf or a vacation.
    An expensive golf vacation with his wife going to a different place so the extra plane and security. obama isn’t vacationing or happy if he isn’t spending our tax dollars on his entertainment.
    nothing is worse than a commie with expensive tastes…

    Isn’t that the truth and expensive is his middle name! Now if 1/2 of American people will wake up to it! The other 1/2 that is.

    no it’s Hussein and don’t ever forget that…


  66. brookly red
    67 | February 5, 2013 3:21 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That is kind of the point. Obama’s fundamental transformation of America into something quite un-American is ongoing.

    More than un-American, unearthly, alien, hostile to reason.

    France?


  67. song_and_dance_man
    68 | February 5, 2013 3:21 pm

    In case any of you have not seen this. Ted Nugent female-dog slaps Morgan.

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkjIMxf0VyU


  68. brookly red
    69 | February 5, 2013 3:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    They will just have to get use to living with several tens of million undocumented of Gun Owners that have been living here longer.

    Yes we are simply undocumented gun owners, and that is the way it should stay. Nt illegal gun owners, mind you, but undocumented.

    talk about a path to citizenship :)


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | February 5, 2013 3:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Yes we are simply undocumented gun owners, and that is the way it should stay. Nt illegal gun owners, mind you, but undocumented.

    Or, “gun owners out of status,” as John Conyers might say…


  70. 71 | February 5, 2013 3:23 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    …because he doesn’t like pot smokers on his part of the beach ?

    I did run across that story when I was searching around before posting. Never heard of it before today. That’s probably it, but seriously, Romney is so irrelevant right now, why would they bother wasting the chalk on a message like that?


  71. RIX
    72 | February 5, 2013 3:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Still gloating about obama’s win? Or they haven’t found another republican to complain about yet? Or haven’t realized the election is over and obama won?
    /I’d bank money on the third one.
    Or? Are they now going to actually start blaming things on a candidate who lost?

    Why yes! By George I think you honestly nailed it!!!
    /wish I would have thought of that.

    It was either the second or third debate that Obama said, “it’s about time that
    Governor Romney took responsibility”
    Like Romney was President for the last four years.


  72. 73 | February 5, 2013 3:25 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    Pentagon to extend certain benefits to same-sex spouses
    How will we ever undo this?
    We’re done.

    If they’re legal spouses, why shouldn’t they get benefits? Your barking up the wrong tree here…


  73. 74 | February 5, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Empire State gun owners sue to block state’s gun ban. It has to go through the courts, but I don’t see how this passes even a reasonable standard test. 7 round magazines? That is an unreasonable and arbitrary number. And thus unconstitutional, even if they decline to give the Second Amendment the strict scrutiney test that it deserves.


  74. song_and_dance_man
    75 | February 5, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    His mouth needs to be registered.


  75. Lily
    76 | February 5, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Ask a leftist if they know what the 2nd Amendment really means…they don’t know. They repeat the stupid talking points of the media and the obama administration…the 2nd Amendment needs changing to them because when it was written the gun of the hour was muskets. Then they go on to repeat the lie that if it saves only one childs life they are willing to give up their right to the 2nd amendment. Whoaaaaa! I refuse to give up any RIGHT and they should too! Then I ask them again to tell me what the 2nd Amendment really means…the other answer I get besides the one up above is *I’m not stupid*…oh yeah you are if you can’t tell me what the 2nd Amendment really means.


  76. Guggi
    77 | February 5, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    After transgenderism BIID (Body Integrity Identity Disorder) will be the next “civil right”. They are working on it and you can’t prevent it if you allow vaginoplasty and phalloplasty because of “identity”.


  77. Lily
    78 | February 5, 2013 3:28 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    That is kind of the point. Obama’s fundamental transformation of America into something quite un-American is ongoing.
    More than un-American, unearthly, alien, hostile to reason.

    I’d add evil to that mix too.


  78. Da_Beerfreak
    79 | February 5, 2013 3:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    They will just have to get use to living with several tens of million undocumented of Gun Owners that have been living here longer.

    Yes we are simply undocumented gun owners, and that is the way it should stay. Nt illegal gun owners, mind you, but undocumented.

    I’ve been undocumented for many years, I’m not stupid enough to tell the Government about what I have now. What I own is nobody’s business but my own.

    Letting the Government know what I have is also the main reason I’ve passed on getting a CCW permit. Letting then know about even one gun is one too many…


  79. heysoos
    80 | February 5, 2013 3:28 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Guggi wrote:
    Pentagon to extend certain benefits to same-sex spouses
    How will we ever undo this?
    We’re done.
    If they’re legal spouses, why shouldn’t they get benefits? Your barking up the wrong tree here…

    I think so too, it’s a small thing pretty easily ignored


  80. brookly red
    81 | February 5, 2013 3:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Empire State gun owners sue to block state’s gun ban. It has to go through the courts, but I don’t see how this passes even a reasonable standard test. 7 round magazines? That is an unreasonable and arbitrary number. And thus unconstitutional, even if they decline to give the Second Amendment the strict scrutiney test that it deserves.

    unreasonable and arbitrary… that could spill over into NYC which as you know has different laws than the state as a whole.


  81. buzzsawmonkey
    82 | February 5, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Again, Piers asked “why somebody needs” a gun. “Need” is the issue—because the point is that Morgan, Obama, and all the rest of the gun-grabbers are grabbing for the right to determine what they think other people need. They have not the slightest right to do this—and everybody should be asking these “need” people where the hell they get off taking unto themselves the right to determine whatever they think I “need”?

    In case you missed it: “Reason Not the Need.”


  82. Lily
    83 | February 5, 2013 3:31 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Still gloating about obama’s win? Or they haven’t found another republican to complain about yet? Or haven’t realized the election is over and obama won?
    /I’d bank money on the third one.
    Or? Are they now going to actually start blaming things on a candidate who lost?
    Why yes! By George I think you honestly nailed it!!!
    /wish I would have thought of that.
    It was either the second or third debate that Obama said, “it’s about time that
    Governor Romney took responsibility”
    Like Romney was President for the last four years.

    As if obama has ever taken responsibilty!!!! It really is insane!!!


  83. brookly red
    84 | February 5, 2013 3:31 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Again, Piers asked “why somebody needs” a gun. “Need” is the issue—because the point is that Morgan, Obama, and all the rest of the gun-grabbers are grabbing for the right to determine what they think other people need. They have not the slightest right to do this—and everybody should be asking these “need” people where the hell they get off taking unto themselves the right to determine whatever they think I “need”?

    In case you missed it: “Reason Not the Need.”

    I would have asked him why does anybody need a locked door?


  84. heysoos
    85 | February 5, 2013 3:34 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    very frustrating when gun owners get sucked into the ‘needs’ or ‘hunting’ issues…whey give them an irrelevant plank to attack you from?


  85. BatGuano
    86 | February 5, 2013 3:34 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Thanks for posting. I missed that. Piers should be at msnbc.


  86. Lily
    87 | February 5, 2013 3:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Again, Piers asked “why somebody needs” a gun. “Need” is the issue—because the point is that Morgan, Obama, and all the rest of the gun-grabbers are grabbing for the right to determine what they think other people need. They have not the slightest right to do this—and everybody should be asking these “need” people where the hell they get off taking unto themselves the right to determine whatever they think I “need”?
    In case you missed it: “Reason Not the Need.”

    Oh indeed! Because they go even farther with *what you need* than just guns. I don’t need anyone telling me how to live. Period.


  87. Da_Beerfreak
    88 | February 5, 2013 3:35 pm

    We “need” our guns as a counter to all the failed liberal policies of of the last 100 years.


  88. heysoos
    89 | February 5, 2013 3:36 pm

    each according to their ‘needs’


  89. BatGuano
    90 | February 5, 2013 3:37 pm

    “Need” is so subjective it’s perfect for the progressives.


  90. song_and_dance_man
    91 | February 5, 2013 3:37 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Right. Just like almost every policy the Left advances it’s about their need for control.


  91. Lily
    92 | February 5, 2013 3:39 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    We “need” our guns as a counter to all the failed liberal policies of of the last 100 years.

    Oh the *need* issue it’s more than guns…how much food you *need* how much gas you *need* how much electricity you *need*….this is a very dangerous path in my opinion. We don’t need the government telling us how much or what we *need*. Slippery slope.


  92. brookly red
    93 | February 5, 2013 3:39 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Again, Piers asked “why somebody needs” a gun. “Need” is the issue—because the point is that Morgan, Obama, and all the rest of the gun-grabbers are grabbing for the right to determine what they think other people need. They have not the slightest right to do this—and everybody should be asking these “need” people where the hell they get off taking unto themselves the right to determine whatever they think I “need”?

    In case you missed it: “Reason Not the Need.”

    ironic coming from a brit…


  93. Da_Beerfreak
    94 | February 5, 2013 3:39 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    each according to their ‘needs’

    I’m really a kind and generous person and more than willing to donate lead to any liberal that comes looking for some… :twisted:


  94. brookly red
    95 | February 5, 2013 3:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    We “need” our guns as a counter to all the failed liberal policies of of the last 100 years.

    Oh the *need* issue it’s more than guns…how much food you *need* how much gas you *need* how much electricity you *need*….this is a very dangerous path in my opinion. We don’t need the government telling us how much or what we *need*. Slippery slope.

    ahem… how much healthcare you need.


  95. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | February 5, 2013 3:40 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Oh the *need* issue it’s more than guns…how much food you *need* how much gas you *need* how much electricity you *need*….this is a very dangerous path in my opinion. We don’t need the government telling us how much or what we *need*. Slippery slope.

    Exactly what I discuss in the essay I linked to.


  96. RIX
    97 | February 5, 2013 3:40 pm

    Philip Klein @philipaklein

    CBO: In 2022, “7 million fewer people will have employment-based health insurance as a result of the Affordable Care Act”
    7:23 PM – 05 Feb 13
    26 RETWEETS 3 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite

    Who would have seen that coming?/


  97. Lily
    98 | February 5, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Darn forgot that..but yeah..the list is end-less!!!


  98. brookly red
    99 | February 5, 2013 3:41 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Philip Klein @philipaklein

    CBO: In 2022, “7 million fewer people will have employment-based health insurance as a result of the Affordable Care Act”
    7:23 PM — 05 Feb 13
    26 RETWEETS 3 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite

    Who would have seen that coming?/

    it is actually twice that number when you figure in the people that will lose their job and thus their healthcare…


  99. Lily
    100 | February 5, 2013 3:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Philip Klein @philipaklein
    CBO: In 2022, “7 million fewer people will have employment-based health insurance as a result of the Affordable Care Act”
    7:23 PM — 05 Feb 13
    26 RETWEETS 3 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite
    Who would have seen that coming?/

    People who had their eyes wide open and weren’t wearing pink sunglasses.


  100. Da_Beerfreak
    101 | February 5, 2013 3:42 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    We “need” our guns as a counter to all the failed liberal policies of of the last 100 years.

    Oh the *need* issue it’s more than guns…how much food you *need* how much gas you *need* how much electricity you *need*….this is a very dangerous path in my opinion. We don’t need the government telling us how much or what we *need*. Slippery slope.

    ahem… how much healthcare you need.

    Or do you really “need” to lice long enough to see your great grand kids…

    Once started there’s no end…


  101. Tanker
    102 | February 5, 2013 3:42 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    They will just have to get use to living with several tens of million undocumented of Gun Owners that have been living here longer.
    Yes we are simply undocumented gun owners, and that is the way it should stay. Nt illegal gun owners, mind you, but undocumented.

    I’ve been undocumented for many years, I’m not stupid enough to tell the Government about what I have now. What I own is nobody’s business but my own.
    Letting the Government know what I have is also the main reason I’ve passed on getting a CCW permit. Letting then know about even one gun is one too many…

    Not sure about your state, but in KY when I got my CCW permit, I didn’t register or declare any gun! Did the training, applied, got permit!


  102. darkwords
    103 | February 5, 2013 3:42 pm

    Who really needs anything? Abstract it out for him. Need is just a group of people expressing a desire. If gun owners have a need for a gun and view the government as the reason they need it. Then less government is the obvious solution is gun control is that important to someone. Remove a lot of Federal activities and transform then into state and local regs.

    Who “needs” CNN and why? The internet does a better job of entertaining and informing. Let’s register TV sets and connections so we can regulate CNN more.


  103. 104 | February 5, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It also opens up the entire universe of straw men, and changes the entirety of the debate to eliminate the actual reason for the inclusion of the Second Amendment in the first place. I keep waiting for someone to take Morgan to task for this, but it never happens.

    The Second Amendment was never about hunting, target shooting, skeet shooting, home protection, collection, needing, or anything even related to those topics. The Second Amendment is about putting fear into the minds of those people who run our government and to serve as a constant reminder that the people only need put up with as much tyranny as they really want to.

    The right to bear arms is inherently given me by my creator simply because I draw breath, and what my needs are or are not simply does not factor into that equation. That is something that as a citizen of a foreign nation, Piers either is incapable of, or unwilling to understand.


  104. Lily
    105 | February 5, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    When I saw the need wording in your post…that is straight were my mind went…need to read your post. But being around enough lefties I know exactly what it says.


  105. Da_Beerfreak
    106 | February 5, 2013 3:44 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    lice == live.

    damn keyboard, I hates it. :oops:


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    107 | February 5, 2013 3:44 pm

    Anyone who claims the power to tell you what you “need” is demanding the power to let you have only what he thinks you “deserve.”


  107. darkwords
    108 | February 5, 2013 3:44 pm

    hipster — needy hysterical lib.


  108. brookly red
    109 | February 5, 2013 3:44 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    We “need” our guns as a counter to all the failed liberal policies of of the last 100 years.

    Oh the *need* issue it’s more than guns…how much food you *need* how much gas you *need* how much electricity you *need*….this is a very dangerous path in my opinion. We don’t need the government telling us how much or what we *need*. Slippery slope.

    ahem… how much healthcare you need.

    Or do you really “need” to lice long enough to see your great grand kids…

    Once started there’s no end…

    pssst I will trade you a can of Spam for 2 rolls of toilet paper…


  109. 110 | February 5, 2013 3:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    How will we ever undo this?
    We’re done
    That is kind of the point. Obama’s fundamental transformation of America into something quite un-American is ongoing.

    Not really Obama’s fundamental transformation, though he is trying to lay claim to it.

    In 1958 Cleon Skousen, conservative American constitutionalist and Mormon apologist wrote a book called The Naked Communist. In which he outlined the Marxist strategy to destroy the United States of America from the inside out. U.S. Congressman Albert S. Herlong, Jr. of Florida, on January 10, 1963 read into the US Congressional Record a list compiled from The Naked Communist detailing the steps that the Marxist planned to take to achieve exactly that goal.

    Read the list and weep. Congress knew what was going on, they have it in the US Congressional Record. Sadly though, by 1963 when Congressman Albert S. Herlong, Jr read this into the US Congressional Record, congress and the Democrat party in specific had already been infiltrated and compromised. As you read the list, mentally check off the items that you know have already been successfully accomplished. Don’t forget to keep score.

    1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
    2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
    3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
    4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
    5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
    6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
    7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
    8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
    9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
    10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
    11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
    12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
    14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
    15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
    16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
    23. Control art critics and directors of art museums.
    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
    32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
    34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
    35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
    36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
    37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
    38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
    39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity, masturbation and easy divorce.
    41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
    42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use “united force” to solve economic, political or social problems.
    43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
    44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
    45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

    They have achieved the majority of their objectives, with the help of the Democrat Party. The Fifth Column Treasonous Media and the Marxist controlled Public Education System created and then reinforced the false notion that “It Can’t Happen Here” all the while working in every possible manner to ensure that it did in fact happen here while the average American slept, unaware that they were being betrayed by individuals who have falsely sworn oaths to protect and defend the United States Constitution from all enemies domestic and foreign. The simple fact is, that they were the very domestic enemies that they swore to protect the United States Constitution from.


  110. 111 | February 5, 2013 3:44 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yeah, all you need is a cot in a shack, a thin blanket, and a potato. See how good the State is to you?


  111. heysoos
    112 | February 5, 2013 3:45 pm

    I’d tell Cuomo that I want as many weapons to secure my safety in the same way that you want a $200 haircut to secure your vanity


  112. Guggi
    113 | February 5, 2013 3:45 pm

    Brennan nomination opens Obama to criticism on secret targeted killings

    President Obama’s plan to install his counterterrorism adviser as director of the CIA has opened the administration to new attack over secret targeted killing policies that it has fought to keep hidden from the public.

    The administration’s refusal to provide details on one of the most controversial aspects of its drone campaign — the rules regarding strikes on U.S. citizens abroad — is expected to be a source of significant friction for CIA nominee John O. Brennan during a Senate confirmation hearing scheduled for Thursday.


  113. Lily
    114 | February 5, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Did you have to get a pic I.D. and get finger printed?


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | February 5, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Exactly. Read my essay at the link; you’ll like it.


  115. Lily
    116 | February 5, 2013 3:49 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Who really needs anything? Abstract it out for him. Need is just a group of people expressing a desire. If gun owners have a need for a gun and view the government as the reason they need it. Then less government is the obvious solution is gun control is that important to someone. Remove a lot of Federal activities and transform then into state and local regs.
    Who “needs” CNN and why? The internet does a better job of entertaining and informing. Let’s register TV sets and connections so we can regulate CNN more.

    You are forgetting something…we most certainly need food. We need water. We need fuel. We need electricity. We need doctors. We need medicience. This is were the *need* grabbers are going to hit us. Make no mistake about it. Not TV’s and stuff like that. Already they are going for the guns which will prevent them for going after what we really need and it isn’t TV.


  116. Da_Beerfreak
    117 | February 5, 2013 3:50 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    They will just have to get use to living with several tens of million undocumented of Gun Owners that have been living here longer.
    Yes we are simply undocumented gun owners, and that is the way it should stay. Nt illegal gun owners, mind you, but undocumented.

    I’ve been undocumented for many years, I’m not stupid enough to tell the Government about what I have now. What I own is nobody’s business but my own.
    Letting the Government know what I have is also the main reason I’ve passed on getting a CCW permit. Letting then know about even one gun is one too many…

    Not sure about your state, but in KY when I got my CCW permit, I didn’t register or declare any gun! Did the training, applied, got permit!

    I live in a major very blue city that already requires hand gun registration, both to own and to buy. I’ve been in violation of those laws for many years now, and I don’t see things getting better anytime soon. In fact the State want to out do New York with its new gun law bills.


  117. 118 | February 5, 2013 3:51 pm

    @ Lily:

    Both, I am sure. They aren’t registering guns with carry permits. They are registering gun owners. That is why more states need to adopt Arizona’s Constitutional Carry provision. There are a couple of cases in the pipeline right now to determine if the Second Amendment applies outside your home. It’ll be interesting to see what the Court does with that.


  118. 119 | February 5, 2013 3:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    Who really needs anything? Abstract it out for him. Need is just a group of people expressing a desire. If gun owners have a need for a gun and view the government as the reason they need it. Then less government is the obvious solution is gun control is that important to someone. Remove a lot of Federal activities and transform then into state and local regs.
    Who “needs” CNN and why? The internet does a better job of entertaining and informing. Let’s register TV sets and connections so we can regulate CNN more.
    You are forgetting something…we most certainly need food. We need water. We need fuel. We need electricity. We need doctors. We need medicience. This is were the *need* grabbers are going to hit us. Make no mistake about it. Not TV’s and stuff like that. Already they are going for the guns which will prevent them for going after what we really need and it isn’t TV.

    Don’t be silly Lily, you don’t need any of those things… Unless you are a party member in good standing… Comrade… :twisted:


  119. song_and_dance_man
    121 | February 5, 2013 3:54 pm

    THE BILL OF NEEDS

    1st Amendment – No one NEEDS freedom of religion.

    2nd Amendment – No one NEEDS magazines greater than 10 rounds in capacity or a semi-auto rifle.

    3rd Amendment – No one NEEDS all the space in their house or apartment. If the federal government can’t pass a budget, citizens must house and feed active soldiers for free.

    4th Amendment – No one NEEDS warrants or privacy.

    5th Amendment – No one NEEDS due process.

    6th Amendment – No one NEEDS a speedy trial. They’ll get to it when they get to it.

    7th Amendment – No one NEEDS a jury trial. Judges Judy, Joe Brown, and Mathis can handle the additional work load. Because bribery is rare, all arguments can be straightened out behind closed doors.

    8th Amendment – No one NEEDS reasonable fines.

    9th Amendment – No one NEEDS anything more than what is described above.

    10th Amendment – No one NEEDS states. The federal government is able to manage state affairs from DC.


  120. 122 | February 5, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ Guggi:

    That is if Sequestration takes effect. Obama is already trying to stop that, so these numbers are so much piss and wind.


  121. Lily
    123 | February 5, 2013 3:57 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    So that is what my husband had to do finger prints and photo I.D. and more for CCW. Never thought of what you just said…not the gun they are registering but the owners…see doesn’t matter what gun they have only that there is guns in this persons home.


  122. Da_Beerfreak
    124 | February 5, 2013 3:58 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Who really needs anything? Abstract it out for him. Need is just a group of people expressing a desire. If gun owners have a need for a gun and view the government as the reason they need it. Then less government is the obvious solution is gun control is that important to someone. Remove a lot of Federal activities and transform then into state and local regs.

    Who “needs” CNN and why? The internet does a better job of entertaining and informing. Let’s register TV sets and connections so we can regulate CNN more.

    There are many real “needs” (i.e. air, water, food) the list is not long. What you are describing are “wants” thing that a person can live without. Liberals are great at claiming “need” when it’s really something they “want”. And of course they always “want” someone else to “give” it to them without charge.


  123. Lily
    125 | February 5, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Just a potato huh? LOL!
    /dear heavens what is it coming to? Thank the Lord I had my by-pass surgery before all this kicked in…because they would just let me die I do believe because I’m over 50.


  124. 126 | February 5, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I’ll see you both at the reedukation kamp!


  125. Lily
    127 | February 5, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Even more examples…mine were only the basic needs.


  126. citizen_q
    128 | February 5, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    You’re not a fellow denzian of Owe-mally’s magic wonderland are you?


  127. Lily
    129 | February 5, 2013 4:03 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I’ll see you both at the reedukation kamp!

    With just a potato too. :(


  128. Lily
    130 | February 5, 2013 4:07 pm

    Darn did it again…the thread went dead. :(
    /at least I do it right.


  129. Da_Beerfreak
    131 | February 5, 2013 4:07 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    You’re not a fellow denzian of Owe-mally’s magic wonderland are you?

    I’m in the ‘Land of 10,000 Sky Blue Kool-Aid drinkers’. :wink:


  130. Lily
    132 | February 5, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Sounds not delightful. ;)


  131. brookly red
    133 | February 5, 2013 4:09 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Darn did it again…the thread went dead.
    /at least I do it right.

    see you don’t *need* a gun… if someone breaks into your house you can just send him an e-mail :)


  132. 134 | February 5, 2013 4:10 pm

    England might actually need some guns at this point.

    httpv://youtu.be/UkuzEUVqIDo

    Muslim patrols in London.


  133. Da_Beerfreak
    135 | February 5, 2013 4:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Sounds not delightful.

    I do have a very nice view of the Mississippi river from my front steps. :grin:


  134. BatGuano
    136 | February 5, 2013 4:11 pm

    @ brookly red:
    When seconds count, the police are minutes away :)


  135. Lily
    137 | February 5, 2013 4:12 pm

    It’s just wonderful what obama has done!

    New CBO Report Predicts 7 Million Americans Will Lose Their Employer-Based Healthcare Because Of Obamacare…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/05/new-cbo-report-predicts-7-million-americans-will-lose-their-employer-based-healthcare-because-of-obamacare/


  136. heysoos
    138 | February 5, 2013 4:12 pm

    for some reason the NYT needs to know who’s packing…maybe some dope should ask them why, just for the recor
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/court-nytimess-request-new-york-city-gun-owners-violates-law_700264.html


  137. song_and_dance_man
    139 | February 5, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    They could not do that here.


  138. Tanker
    140 | February 5, 2013 4:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    Did you have to get a pic I.D. and get finger printed?

    Picture Id and finger printed. I’ve had so many military clearances it didn’t matter though. They have my prints and DNA on file!


  139. Lily
    141 | February 5, 2013 4:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Darn did it again…the thread went dead.
    /at least I do it right.
    see you don’t *need* a gun… if someone breaks into your house you can just send him an e-mail

    Oh hell yes! That would get rid of the booger for sure!
    /you know you aren’t that far off base on this. ;)
    Can I post you a song????? LOL!


  140. brookly red
    142 | February 5, 2013 4:14 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    for some reason the NYT needs to know who’s packing…maybe some dope should ask them why, just for the recor
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/court-nytimess-request-new-york-city-gun-owners-violates-law_700264.html

    ahem… http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/flash-mob-mayhem-violent-groups-of-teens-leave-nyc-neighborhoods-in-disarray/


  141. Tanker
    143 | February 5, 2013 4:15 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    They will just have to get use to living with several tens of million undocumented of Gun Owners that have been living here longer.
    Yes we are simply undocumented gun owners, and that is the way it should stay. Nt illegal gun owners, mind you, but undocumented.
    I’ve been undocumented for many years, I’m not stupid enough to tell the Government about what I have now. What I own is nobody’s business but my own.
    Letting the Government know what I have is also the main reason I’ve passed on getting a CCW permit. Letting then know about even one gun is one too many…
    Not sure about your state, but in KY when I got my CCW permit, I didn’t register or declare any gun! Did the training, applied, got permit!

    I live in a major very blue city that already requires hand gun registration, both to own and to buy. I’ve been in violation of those laws for many years now, and I don’t see things getting better anytime soon. In fact the State want to out do New York with its new gun law bills.

    MN correct? MIN?


  142. brookly red
    144 | February 5, 2013 4:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Darn did it again…the thread went dead.
    /at least I do it right.
    see you don’t *need* a gun… if someone breaks into your house you can just send him an e-mail

    Oh hell yes! That would get rid of the booger for sure!
    /you know you aren’t that far off base on this.
    Can I post you a song????? LOL!

    I never accept songs from married women…


  143. heysoos
    145 | February 5, 2013 4:15 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    They could not do that here.

    I can see urban liberals okay with it, same mentality


  144. citizen_q
    146 | February 5, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Gotcha!


  145. brookly red
    147 | February 5, 2013 4:16 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    They will just have to get use to living with several tens of million undocumented of Gun Owners that have been living here longer.
    Yes we are simply undocumented gun owners, and that is the way it should stay. Nt illegal gun owners, mind you, but undocumented.
    I’ve been undocumented for many years, I’m not stupid enough to tell the Government about what I have now. What I own is nobody’s business but my own.
    Letting the Government know what I have is also the main reason I’ve passed on getting a CCW permit. Letting then know about even one gun is one too many…
    Not sure about your state, but in KY when I got my CCW permit, I didn’t register or declare any gun! Did the training, applied, got permit!

    I live in a major very blue city that already requires hand gun registration, both to own and to buy. I’ve been in violation of those laws for many years now, and I don’t see things getting better anytime soon. In fact the State want to out do New York with its new gun law bills.

    MN correct? MIN?

    /he said in a MAJOR city…


  146. Lily
    148 | February 5, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    WTH???? People put up with this???? What happens when some Christian and Jewish patrols happen???? Hmmmmmm?
    /I don’t understand why they put up with this or why they don’t do something about it.


  147. Lily
    149 | February 5, 2013 4:17 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Sounds not delightful.
    I do have a very nice view of the Mississippi river from my front steps.

    Well at least you have a good view!!! ;)


  148. heysoos
    150 | February 5, 2013 4:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    for some reason the NYT needs to know who’s packing…maybe some dope should ask them why, just for the recor
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/court-nytimess-request-new-york-city-gun-owners-violates-law_700264.html

    ahem… http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/flash-mob-mayhem-violent-groups-of-teens-leave-nyc-neighborhoods-in-disarray/

    flash mobs in NYC are under official media blackout…disregard this story…or else


  149. 151 | February 5, 2013 4:17 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I can see urban liberals okay with it, same mentality

    How so?


  150. 152 | February 5, 2013 4:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    WTH???? People put up with this???? What happens when some Christian and Jewish patrols happen???? Hmmmmmm?
    /I don’t understand why they put up with this or why they don’t do something about it.

    Because Europe has self-castrated with a dull knife.


  151. Lily
    153 | February 5, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Sounds like what my husband is going through to get his CCW.


  152. Da_Beerfreak
    154 | February 5, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ Tanker:
    Y :wink:


  153. heysoos
    155 | February 5, 2013 4:20 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I can see urban liberals okay with it, same mentality
    How so?

    needs…we’ve been discussing how a few impose their will on you


  154. song_and_dance_man
    156 | February 5, 2013 4:20 pm

    The Left won’t be satisfied until America is one big Gitmo.


  155. citizen_q
    157 | February 5, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Wasn’t “Defender of the faith” one of the titles given to the British monarchy?

    Paging Prince Charles! /


  156. Lily
    158 | February 5, 2013 4:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Darn did it again…the thread went dead.
    /at least I do it right.
    see you don’t *need* a gun… if someone breaks into your house you can just send him an e-mail
    Oh hell yes! That would get rid of the booger for sure!
    /you know you aren’t that far off base on this.
    Can I post you a song????? LOL!
    I never accept songs from married women…

    Oh my word!!!!! LOL! You never know what I was going to post. ;)


  157. brookly red
    159 | February 5, 2013 4:21 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    WTH???? People put up with this???? What happens when some Christian and Jewish patrols happen???? Hmmmmmm?
    /I don’t understand why they put up with this or why they don’t do something about it.

    Because Europe has self-castrated with a dull knife.

    we should start a charity to send them guns…

    “for just pennies a day you can arm Tommy”


  158. Lily
    160 | February 5, 2013 4:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Darn did it again…the thread went dead.
    /at least I do it right.
    see you don’t *need* a gun… if someone breaks into your house you can just send him an e-mail
    Oh hell yes! That would get rid of the booger for sure!
    /you know you aren’t that far off base on this.
    Can I post you a song????? LOL!
    I never accept songs from married women…

    Yep and see it worked…I don’t need a gun…the printed word works for me. LOL!


  159. brookly red
    161 | February 5, 2013 4:22 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Darn did it again…the thread went dead.
    /at least I do it right.
    see you don’t *need* a gun… if someone breaks into your house you can just send him an e-mail
    Oh hell yes! That would get rid of the booger for sure!
    /you know you aren’t that far off base on this.
    Can I post you a song????? LOL!
    I never accept songs from married women…

    Oh my word!!!!! LOL! You never know what I was going to post.

    yes I did and I am too fast for that :)


  160. Tanker
    162 | February 5, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ brookly red:

    None of it matters much to me. DHS labeled me a potential thread because of being a retired vet. Might as well let them know I’m not rolling over! If my CCW gives them pause all good, if it doesn’t oh well, we will see!


  161. song_and_dance_man
    163 | February 5, 2013 4:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    ahem…

    NYC needs Rudy back.


  162. Lily
    164 | February 5, 2013 4:24 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    WTH???? People put up with this???? What happens when some Christian and Jewish patrols happen???? Hmmmmmm?
    /I don’t understand why they put up with this or why they don’t do something about it.
    Because Europe has self-castrated with a dull knife.

    Indeed they have. Good grief!!! No wonder they have so many problems…yet hey we are horrible!!! Hypocrites. No back-bone at all.


  163. song_and_dance_man
    165 | February 5, 2013 4:24 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Wasn’t “Defender of the faith” one of the titles given to the British monarchy?

    Paging Prince Charles! /

    Now it’s the Muslim faith.


  164. heysoos
    166 | February 5, 2013 4:24 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    ahem…
    NYC needs Rudy back.

    FREE THE BIG GULP!!!


  165. brookly red
    167 | February 5, 2013 4:24 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    ahem…

    NYC needs Rudy back.

    well now that bloomy repealed term limits we can have him back…


  166. Da_Beerfreak
    168 | February 5, 2013 4:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Sounds not delightful.
    I do have a very nice view of the Mississippi river from my front steps.

    Well at least you have a good view!!!

    The first real sign that winter is over is when the first towboat makes it to town.


  167. Lily
    169 | February 5, 2013 4:26 pm

    @ brookly red:

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    /could have been “I wouldn’t want to be like you” or “lunatic fringe”
    ;)


  168. brookly red
    170 | February 5, 2013 4:26 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    None of it matters much to me. DHS labeled me a potential thread because of being a retired vet. Might as well let them know I’m not rolling over! If my CCW gives them pause all good, if it doesn’t oh well, we will see!

    indeed.


  169. heysoos
    171 | February 5, 2013 4:27 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Sounds not delightful.
    I do have a very nice view of the Mississippi river from my front steps.
    Well at least you have a good view!!!

    The first real sign that winter is over is when the first towboat makes it to town.

    last fall I crossed the Missouri at KC and the Mississippi at St Louis…both rivers were in terrible shape….in all my days I’ve never seen anything like it….miles of mud


  170. brookly red
    172 | February 5, 2013 4:28 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Sounds not delightful.
    I do have a very nice view of the Mississippi river from my front steps.

    Well at least you have a good view!!!

    The first real sign that winter is over is when the first towboat makes it to town.

    meanwhile I am waiting to see the first mini skirt on Madison ave…


  171. Tanker
    173 | February 5, 2013 4:29 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I’m labeled a threat, they wish I was just a thread!


  172. Lily
    174 | February 5, 2013 4:29 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Sounds not delightful.
    I do have a very nice view of the Mississippi river from my front steps.
    Well at least you have a good view!!!
    The first real sign that winter is over is when the first towboat makes it to town.

    Yep! Gator end of the Mississippi here…but I don’t have the view I’d have to drive 3 hours to see the Mississippi …it is a pretty river though!


  173. citizen_q
    175 | February 5, 2013 4:29 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    flash mobs in NYC are under official media blackout…disregard this story…or else

    It’s just a direct form of comrade zero’s redistribution.


  174. 176 | February 5, 2013 4:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Would you mind if I linked to your essay in a blog post on my site, giving you full credit of course?


  175. buzzsawmonkey
    177 | February 5, 2013 4:29 pm

    By the way, Mao wrote in his Little Red Book, “Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

    OK—let’s posit, for the sake of argument, that Obama himself is not a Communist. Just because his father was a Communist; just because his mother was a Communist; just because his political mentor, Bill Ayers, was an avowed Maoist; just because his childhood mentor was card-carrying Communist Frank Marshall Davis; just because he admits in his books that he sought out the radical Marxists in college; just because he appointed open Mao admirer Anita Dunn and avowed Communist Van Jones to positions in his Administration; just because his manager David Axelrod is a red diaper baby; just because his and his wife’s most trusted adviser is Valerie Jarrett, whose father-in-law Vernon Jarrett was also a well-known Communist; just because of all these things, there is no reason to believe Obama himself is a Communist.

    Nonetheless, there is that dictum by Mao Zedong. And there is the evidence before us that Barack Obama is interested in gaining, not in sharing, power. And there is the evidence that he wants to go after gun ownership—and not just any gun ownership, but legal gun ownership of that segment of the population least sympathetic to him.

    So…if “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun,” and Obama wants to take away the guns of the people he likes least and who like him least, what could that possibly say about Obama’s desires for political power?


  176. buzzsawmonkey
    178 | February 5, 2013 4:30 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Would you mind if I linked to your essay in a blog post on my site, giving you full credit of course?

    Not at all.


  177. heysoos
    179 | February 5, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ Tanker:
    ignore the feds…if you get a letter, toss it away…get a call, hang up…don’t give in an inch


  178. brookly red
    180 | February 5, 2013 4:33 pm

    beer run… back in 10


  179. BatGuano
    181 | February 5, 2013 4:34 pm

    Anyone remember Tony Martin of the UK? He killed a burglar in his home and was convicted of murder. He was denied parole because he was ” a danger to burglars.” He used a weapon that he had no license for.


  180. Tanker
    182 | February 5, 2013 4:34 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    ignore the feds…if you get a letter, toss it away…get a call, hang up…don’t give in an inch

    Not part of my nature. best defense is the strongest offense. Too bad our military leaders (spit) don’t grasp that truth!


  181. Da_Beerfreak
    183 | February 5, 2013 4:35 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Sounds not delightful.
    I do have a very nice view of the Mississippi river from my front steps.
    Well at least you have a good view!!!
    The first real sign that winter is over is when the first towboat makes it to town.

    Yep! Gator end of the Mississippi here…but I don’t have the view I’d have to drive 3 hours to see the Mississippi …it is a pretty river though!

    I’m up top of the bluff here, about a quarter of a mile from the river.


  182. Lily
    184 | February 5, 2013 4:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    By the way, Mao wrote in his Little Red Book, “Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”
    OK—let’s posit, for the sake of argument, that Obama himself is not a Communist. Just because his father was a Communist; just because his mother was a Communist; just because his political mentor, Bill Ayers, was an avowed Maoist; just because his childhood mentor was card-carrying Communist Frank Marshall Davis; just because he admits in his books that he sought out the radical Marxists in college; just because he appointed open Mao admirer Anita Dunn and avowed Communist Van Jones to positions in his Administration; just because his manager David Axelrod is a red diaper baby; just because his and his wife’s most trusted adviser is Valerie Jarrett, whose father-in-law Vernon Jarrett was also a well-known Communist; just because of all these things, there is no reason to believe Obama himself is a Communist.
    Nonetheless, there is that dictum by Mao Zedong. And there is the evidence before us that Barack Obama is interested in gaining, not in sharing, power. And there is the evidence that he wants to go after gun ownership—and not just any gun ownership, but legal gun ownership of that segment of the population least sympathetic to him.
    So…if “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun,” and Obama wants to take away the guns of the people he likes least and who like him least, what could that possibly say about Obama’s desires for political power?

    To turn the United States into a communist country period. You have made your case completely. Guilty as charged.


  183. Lily
    185 | February 5, 2013 4:37 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Anyone remember Tony Martin of the UK? He killed a burglar in his home and was convicted of murder. He was denied parole because he was ” a danger to burglars.” He used a weapon that he had no license for.

    A danger to criminals? A burglar is a criminal isn’t he? The UK brings new meaning to stupid and honey you just can’t fix stupid.


  184. Da_Beerfreak
    186 | February 5, 2013 4:38 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Anyone remember Tony Martin of the UK? He killed a burglar in his home and was convicted of murder. He was denied parole because he was ” a danger to burglars.” He used a weapon that he had no license for.

    Sure do. All part of the greater plan to make all forms of self-defense illegal.


  185. heysoos
    187 | February 5, 2013 4:39 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ Tanker:
    ignore the feds…if you get a letter, toss it away…get a call, hang up…don’t give in an inch

    Not part of my nature. best defense is the strongest offense. Too bad our military leaders (spit) don’t grasp that truth!

    my life is such that I post with more bravado than the typical guy…I have no home, no job or income, no debt and I own nothing but a car and a truck…easy for me to sat I guess, but if bad mojo comes my way I’m ready…I’m past 60yrs and I’m not doing hard time because I defy the govt, who in fact made me a felon and their enemy….fuck that


  186. BatGuano
    188 | February 5, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ Lily:
    That’s right. We do not need to look to the UK for guidance on gun control (Piers Morgan).


  187. 189 | February 5, 2013 4:42 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    Indeed. The UK should rather look to us as a pillar of freedom, something that they are in ever-increasing need of.


  188. BatGuano
    190 | February 5, 2013 4:43 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    An armed citizenry has an unfair advantage over unsuspecting criminals.


  189. Lily
    191 | February 5, 2013 4:43 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Sounds like you have a lovely view! Around Baton Rouge along River Road the Mississippi is a pretty lady of a River with all the Oaks and old homes. Awesome. But I’m not near there. Nice place to visit. I am further south and I don’t have to go far to see me some gators though or blue crabs or water moccasin (cotton mouth) snake or snapping turtles….just a few miles down the road about 30 or 40…been on the rivers and such a lot when I was younger. Love the smell of pine and the rivers.


  190. Lily
    192 | February 5, 2013 4:45 pm

    @ heysoos:

    No home??? You have talked about your house.


  191. Bumr50
    193 | February 5, 2013 4:46 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Nice ganja!!


  192. heysoos
    194 | February 5, 2013 4:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    No home??? You have talked about your house.

    I don’t own it….poor wordage


  193. Lily
    195 | February 5, 2013 4:48 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Oh…was hoping you weren’t homeless there. ;)


  194. lobo91
    196 | February 5, 2013 4:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    A danger to criminals? A burglar is a criminal isn’t he? The UK brings new meaning to stupid and honey you just can’t fix stupid.

    They ruled that he was a danger to the public, since burglars are part of the public.


  195. lobo91
    197 | February 5, 2013 4:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    There are some states where your carry permit is only good for a specific gun. They put the serial number on the permit and everything.

    If you get a new one, you have to go and take the test again.


  196. Lily
    198 | February 5, 2013 4:50 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Just for you…and your house…and because speaking of houses reminded me of this song.

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9I27w8Tuyw


  197. heysoos
    199 | February 5, 2013 4:51 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Oh…was hoping you weren’t homeless there.

    no, I didn’t mean to imply that…I live in the back house of a two house property, my bunkhouse…the owner lives here a bit but mostly up in NYC…he’s a well known artist and has some money…he utterly insists that I pay nothing, just watch the place and keep track of maintenance…it’s a sweet deal for me, I got very very lucky


  198. brookly red
    200 | February 5, 2013 4:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    A danger to criminals? A burglar is a criminal isn’t he? The UK brings new meaning to stupid and honey you just can’t fix stupid.

    They ruled that he was a danger to the public, since burglars are part of the public.

    well they should be part of the general population…


  199. BatGuano
    201 | February 5, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    They should know about the importance of armed citizens protecting their freedom.There was an incident in 1775 ( I forgot what happened…)


  200. Lily
    202 | February 5, 2013 4:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    A danger to criminals? A burglar is a criminal isn’t he? The UK brings new meaning to stupid and honey you just can’t fix stupid.
    They ruled that he was a danger to the public, since burglars are part of the public.

    lobo that makes it even more stupid to be honest! I have noticed they go easy on very dangerous criminals across the pond.


  201. heysoos
    203 | February 5, 2013 4:52 pm

    @ Lily:
    what a great record…loved those guys


  202. buzzsawmonkey
    204 | February 5, 2013 4:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They ruled that he was a danger to the public, since burglars are part of the public.

    A Policeman’s Lot
    —WS Gilbert, “The Pirates of Penzance”

    When a felon’s not engaged in his employment,
    Or maturing his felonious little plans,
    His capacity for innocent enjoyment
    Is just as great as any honest man’s.
    Our feelings we with difficulty smother
    When constabulary duty’s to be done:
    Ah, take one consideration with another,
    A policeman’s lot is not a happy one!

    Oooh, when constabulary duty’s to be done, to be done
    A policeman’s lot is not a happy one (happy one)

    When the enterprising burglar isn’t burgling,
    When the cut-throat isn’t occupied in crime,
    He loves to hear the little brook a-gurgling,
    And listen to the merry village chime.
    When the coster’s finished jumping on his mother,
    He loves to lie a-basking in the sun:
    Ah, take one consideration with another,
    The policeman’s lot is not a happy one!

    Oooh, when constabulary duty’s to be done, to be done
    A policeman’s lot is not a happy one (happy one)


  203. Lily
    205 | February 5, 2013 4:53 pm

    @ heysoos:

    My goodness you do have a sweet deal going on there. Lucky you! ;)


  204. brookly red
    206 | February 5, 2013 4:53 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Oh…was hoping you weren’t homeless there.

    no, I didn’t mean to imply that…I live in the back house of a two house property, my bunkhouse…the owner lives here a bit but mostly up in NYC…he’s a well known artist and has some money…he utterly insists that I pay nothing, just watch the place and keep track of maintenance…it’s a sweet deal for me, I got very very lucky

    sweet…

    now have some appreciation us NYC types :)


  205. Lily
    207 | February 5, 2013 4:55 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Glad you liked it! :)


  206. Lily
    208 | February 5, 2013 4:57 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Oh your song by Red Rider…because red is in your nic!

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUa_G1h3pw


  207. BatGuano
    209 | February 5, 2013 4:58 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I looked for a link to the original and couldn’t find it. It was a danger to the public and not burglars?


  208. heysoos
    210 | February 5, 2013 4:59 pm

    @ Lily:
    I just needed to explain my situation…the feds know where I am, I have one bank account in my name here in ABQ…my ‘wealth’ is scattered around and not really tracable on the surface…I’m trying to get the feds to ignore me while I return the favor…so far I’m getting my way but typical folks with jobs and families and records cannot do it and I respect that….I’m sort of a renegade, a pirate…I’ll fight the feds tooth and nail when it comes to my privacy, my habits, my money


  209. citizen_q
    211 | February 5, 2013 5:00 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    An armed citizenry has an unfair advantage over unsuspecting criminals.

    Let the criminals apply for workman’s comp, if they survive.

    Don’t understand why people can;t understand that taking stuff that doesn’t belong to you is an inherently dangerous proposition.

    Why are leftists side with the criminals? Professional courtesy?


  210. brookly red
    212 | February 5, 2013 5:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Oh your song by Red Rider…because red is in your nic!

    I always confuse them with Badd Company for some reason…


  211. BatGuano
    213 | February 5, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ Lily:
    How appropriate! The song was about rising ant-semitism.


  212. Lily
    214 | February 5, 2013 5:01 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    I think it meant that burglars are part of the population that he was a dangerous to the burglars in the population basically.


  213. Da_Beerfreak
    215 | February 5, 2013 5:01 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They should know about the importance of armed citizens protecting their freedom.There was an incident in 1775 ( I forgot what happened…)

    G. Washington won the coin toss and the Redcoats had to play target… :evil:


  214. Lily
    216 | February 5, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Bad Company one of my favs…I have a lot of favorites though! ;)


  215. brookly red
    217 | February 5, 2013 5:02 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    An armed citizenry has an unfair advantage over unsuspecting criminals.

    Let the criminals apply for workman’s comp, if they survive.

    Don’t understand why people can;t understand that taking stuff that doesn’t belong to you is an inherently dangerous proposition.

    Why are leftists side with the criminals? Professional courtesy?

    yes till someone takes their shit… then they get all conservative.


  216. Lily
    218 | February 5, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    Glad you liked it! ;)


  217. BatGuano
    219 | February 5, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    “Professional courtesy” is classic! Wish I had thought of that. Yes that about sums it up.


  218. buzzsawmonkey
    220 | February 5, 2013 5:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yes till someone takes their shit… then they get all conservative.

    MSNBC host Chris Hayes gets upset when his wealth, in the form of his bike, gets “redistributed.”


  219. brookly red
    221 | February 5, 2013 5:04 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They should know about the importance of armed citizens protecting their freedom.There was an incident in 1775 ( I forgot what happened…)

    G. Washington won the coin toss and the Redcoats had to play target…

    I if they had put on green coats they might have won…


  220. lobo91
    222 | February 5, 2013 5:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ BatGuano:

    I think it meant that burglars are part of the population that he was a dangerous to the burglars in the population basically.

    Yup


  221. heysoos
    223 | February 5, 2013 5:05 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    yes till someone takes their shit… then they get all conservative.
    MSNBC host Chris Hayes gets upset when his wealth, in the form of his bike, gets “redistributed.”

    comments are pretty funny


  222. citizen_q
    224 | February 5, 2013 5:06 pm

    @ BatGuano:
    Thanks! Think of me when you use it.


  223. Lily
    225 | February 5, 2013 5:08 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does. ;)


  224. lobo91
    226 | February 5, 2013 5:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.

    Mine involves more ammunition…


  225. brookly red
    227 | February 5, 2013 5:11 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    yes till someone takes their shit… then they get all conservative.

    MSNBC host Chris Hayes gets upset when his wealth, in the form of his bike, gets “redistributed.”

    every morning when I go for coffee I see some hipster standing by the frame of their bike locked to the signpost wondering where the seat, wheels and handlebar went…


  226. BatGuano
    228 | February 5, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Indeed. :)


  227. heysoos
    229 | February 5, 2013 5:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.
    Mine involves more ammunition…

    I’m static, not going anywhere…they will simply over run me


  228. BatGuano
    230 | February 5, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Bright red coats in combat? What morons would do that?


  229. brookly red
    231 | February 5, 2013 5:17 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.
    Mine involves more ammunition…

    I’m static, not going anywhere…they will simply over run me

    /when they finally come for you it will be for not filling out that census form…


  230. brookly red
    232 | February 5, 2013 5:19 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Bright red coats in combat? What morons would do that?

    at least after the first battle


  231. Lily
    233 | February 5, 2013 5:20 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Oh indeed…….knock upside the head by a clue-bat they are after that.


  232. BatGuano
    234 | February 5, 2013 5:21 pm

    @ brookly red:
    You’d think.


  233. Lily
    235 | February 5, 2013 5:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.
    Mine involves more ammunition…

    Yep there’s that one too! ;)


  234. heysoos
    236 | February 5, 2013 5:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Bright red coats in combat? What morons would do that?

    at least after the first battle

    during WW1 the Brits would halt a furious advance to have tea…blew the American troops away


  235. taxfreekiller
    237 | February 5, 2013 5:22 pm

    ms tfk tells me she heard on her grape vine that the liberals have their collective panties all wadded up because the Ravens road in their victory prade in Humvees driven by Army guys in camo.

    oh, no….. no….. what to do,,,, did they have GUNs on themmm

    piss their pants now


  236. brookly red
    238 | February 5, 2013 5:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Oh indeed…….knock upside the head by a clue-bat they are after that.

    I still say the colonists were the original guerrillas


  237. buzzsawmonkey
    239 | February 5, 2013 5:24 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Bright red coats in combat? What morons would do that?

    In the days when armies met face to face, before trenches became the thing, it was not so crazy as you might think. Have you ever seen Zulu, or Khartoum—films which show this kind of battle in the 19th century?

    The British used a volley-by-ranks form of fire, where by firing single-shot weapons in massed volleys by front rank altering with rear rank, they sent a withering wall of bullets against enemies who counted it a mark of their own bravery to meet their adversaries face to face. Vast numbers of people were mown down in these exchanges.


  238. brookly red
    240 | February 5, 2013 5:24 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    ms tfk tells me she heard on her grape vine that the liberals have their collective panties all wadded up because the Ravens road in their victory prade in Humvees driven by Army guys in camo.

    just tell them they were GAY army guys, and they will feel better.


  239. Lily
    241 | February 5, 2013 5:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    BatGuano wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Bright red coats in combat? What morons would do that?
    at least after the first battle
    during WW1 the Brits would halt a furious advance to have tea…blew the American troops away

    Yep and that’s why they kept pleading for our help…..and the Red Coats well that is why they lost…at least we had the good sense not to wear red in green areas….and that’s why we are like Curr dogs…


  240. Lily
    243 | February 5, 2013 5:27 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Oh indeed…….knock upside the head by a clue-bat they are after that.
    I still say the colonists were the original guerrillas

    They were!!!


  241. brookly red
    244 | February 5, 2013 5:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:

    Bright red coats in combat? What morons would do that?

    In the days when armies met face to face, before trenches became the thing, it was not so crazy as you might think. Have you ever seen Zulu, or Khartoum—films which show this kind of battle in the 19th century?

    The British used a volley-by-ranks form of fire, where by firing single-shot weapons in massed volleys by front rank altering with rear rank, they sent a withering wall of bullets against enemies who counted it a mark of their own bravery to meet their adversaries face to face. Vast numbers of people were mown down in these exchanges.

    and they also used swarm attacks on German machine gun positions… not the smartest people. Brave yes, smart no.


  242. 245 | February 5, 2013 5:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Ground Zero imam accused of plundering funds to finance lavish lifestyle.

    I kinda think we all saw that one coming.


  243. heysoos
    246 | February 5, 2013 5:28 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Oh indeed…….knock upside the head by a clue-bat they are after that.

    I still say the colonists were the original guerrillas

    the Jamaican Maroons fought the Brits to a draw with clubs and spears…the were undefeated, decades before the Revolutionary war…a remarkable story, and to this day the two Maroon tribes involved still live autonomously from the Jamaican govt


  244. Lily
    247 | February 5, 2013 5:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Ground Zero imam accused of plundering funds to finance lavish lifestyle.

    Oh my!!!!! Who would have thunk it????????
    /some things just are meant to be.


  245. brookly red
    248 | February 5, 2013 5:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Ground Zero imam accused of plundering funds to finance lavish lifestyle.

    extradite him to Malaysia… see how he like islamic justice


  246. heysoos
    250 | February 5, 2013 5:34 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    BatGuano wrote:
    Bright red coats in combat? What morons would do that?
    In the days when armies met face to face, before trenches became the thing, it was not so crazy as you might think. Have you ever seen Zulu, or Khartoum—films which show this kind of battle in the 19th century?
    The British used a volley-by-ranks form of fire, where by firing single-shot weapons in massed volleys by front rank altering with rear rank, they sent a withering wall of bullets against enemies who counted it a mark of their own bravery to meet their adversaries face to face. Vast numbers of people were mown down in these exchanges.

    and they also used swarm attacks on German machine gun positions… not the smartest people. Brave yes, smart no.

    2d Marines at Belleau Wood…Marines stormed the woods with no French backup (what?…we’re here to kill Germans, not sit on our ass)…they got up into the dense forest, ran out of ammo, went to bayonets and the rest is history…the Germans were utterly terrified of the Marines, expert shots and a lust for stabbing, slashing and pounding, the Devil Dogs…the war ended a few months after that


  247. brookly red
    251 | February 5, 2013 5:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    “A is for Activist”: new book for indoctrinating pre-schoolers into left-think.

    P is for Purge


  248. BatGuano
    252 | February 5, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I have seen both movies. At Cowpens, Captain Morgan instructed his militia to stand their ground and give him two fires and then run away. The British rushed into the breach and were met with the regulars fire who were concealed beneath a low hill.The continentals prevailed that day because of concealment.Later, it was used by the Duke of Wellington at Waterloo.


  249. Lily
    253 | February 5, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Just for you…..

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sam4lq2WHos


  250. lobo91
    254 | February 5, 2013 5:37 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The British used a volley-by-ranks form of fire, where by firing single-shot weapons in massed volleys by front rank altering with rear rank, they sent a withering wall of bullets against enemies who counted it a mark of their own bravery to meet their adversaries face to face. Vast numbers of people were mown down in these exchanges.

    That was pretty much the only effective tactic available to them, given the limits of the technology. They were using not only single-shot muzzleloaders, but smoothbores at that. Being able to hit a man-sized target at a range beyond about 50 yards would have been luck.


  251. BatGuano
    255 | February 5, 2013 5:37 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Concur.


  252. lobo91
    256 | February 5, 2013 5:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.
    Mine involves more ammunition…

    Yep there’s that one too!

    Right now, I’m trying to find a scope for one of my rifles. Nobody seems to have the one I want in stock, at least at a reasonable price.


  253. heysoos
    257 | February 5, 2013 5:40 pm

    @ Lily:
    Semper Fi baby


  254. brookly red
    258 | February 5, 2013 5:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.
    Mine involves more ammunition…

    Yep there’s that one too!

    Right now, I’m trying to find a scope for one of my rifles. Nobody seems to have the one I want in stock, at least at a reasonable price.

    have you tried e-bay?


  255. Lily
    259 | February 5, 2013 5:42 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Oh yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  256. song_and_dance_man
    260 | February 5, 2013 5:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Ground Zero imam accused of plundering funds to finance lavish lifestyle.

    …used millions of dollars in donations to fund a lavish lifestyle of travel and cars, a bombshell lawsuit charges.

    Uh…hmmm


  257. lobo91
    261 | February 5, 2013 5:43 pm

    @ brookly red:

    have you tried e-bay?

    Yup

    It’s a fairly new model from Nikon. I think they’ve been overwhelmed by the demand.


  258. buzzsawmonkey
    262 | February 5, 2013 5:43 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It was actually an update of Alexander the Great’s “phalanx” tactic.


  259. brookly red
    263 | February 5, 2013 5:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.
    Mine involves more ammunition…

    Yep there’s that one too!

    Right now, I’m trying to find a scope for one of my rifles. Nobody seems to have the one I want in stock, at least at a reasonable price.

    e-bay not kidding http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_from=R7&_sofindtype=0&_armrs=1&_nkw=telescopic+sights&_sacat=0&_lncat=0&_arm=1&_armm=94&_ruu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2FEverything-Else-%2F99%2Fi.html%3F_ipg%3D50%26_sop%3D1%26_from%3DR7%26_sofindtype%3D0%26_armrs%3D1%26_nkw%3Dtelescopic%2Bsights%26_arr%3D1&_armi=Everything+Else


  260. brookly red
    264 | February 5, 2013 5:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    have you tried e-bay?

    Yup

    It’s a fairly new model from Nikon. I think they’ve been overwhelmed by the demand.

    OK disregard my last… have you tried going direct to Nikon?


  261. Lily
    265 | February 5, 2013 5:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.
    Mine involves more ammunition…
    Yep there’s that one too!
    Right now, I’m trying to find a scope for one of my rifles. Nobody seems to have the one I want in stock, at least at a reasonable price.

    Maybe scroll all over the internet….you never know sometimes it takes me a few hours to find excatly what I’m looking for …but it’s there and good luck too! ;)


  262. Da_Beerfreak
    266 | February 5, 2013 5:46 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Bright red coats in combat? What morons would do that?

    The red coats go all the way back to Oliver Cromwell’s new model army. Red was the cheapest dye at the time so that is what they used for the new uniforms.


  263. lobo91
    267 | February 5, 2013 5:47 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I checked there already. Nobody has the exact model I’m looking for at the moment. Someone has a similar one, but it has a different reticle than what I want.

    This is the one I’m looking for


  264. brookly red
    268 | February 5, 2013 5:47 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Don’t blame you….always have a back-up plan. My husband does.
    Mine involves more ammunition…
    Yep there’s that one too!
    Right now, I’m trying to find a scope for one of my rifles. Nobody seems to have the one I want in stock, at least at a reasonable price.

    Maybe scroll all over the internet….you never know sometimes it takes me a few hours to find excatly what I’m looking for …but it’s there and good luck too!

    also check estate sales… you never know


  265. heysoos
    269 | February 5, 2013 5:47 pm

    @ Lily:
    makes my blood run hot…my dear old dad was 2d Marines…he went to his grave with Japanese iron stuck inside him


  266. BatGuano
    270 | February 5, 2013 5:47 pm

    BTW, I retired my LGF sock puppet effective immediately. I just logged in to LGF to see if I still have an account and I do. My last time there was election day and I haven’t been there since. My nic was EdDantes.There are a few good folks there but I wont name them because of possible repercussions.


  267. lobo91
    271 | February 5, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    OK disregard my last… have you tried going direct to Nikon?

    I have. Doesn’t look like their site is set up for retail sales.

    That particular item has an export restriction on it, so that might complicate things.


  268. brookly red
    272 | February 5, 2013 5:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    OK disregard my last… have you tried going direct to Nikon?

    I have. Doesn’t look like their site is set up for retail sales.

    That particular item has an export restriction on it, so that might complicate things.

    what model ?


  269. heysoos
    273 | February 5, 2013 5:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    OK disregard my last… have you tried going direct to Nikon?
    I have. Doesn’t look like their site is set up for retail sales.
    That particular item has an export restriction on it, so that might complicate things.

    a .308 Lapua?…what rifle?


  270. song_and_dance_man
    274 | February 5, 2013 5:51 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    I retired my LGF sock puppet effective immediately.

    I still have one there, but I’ve forgotten the password.


  271. lobo91
    275 | February 5, 2013 5:51 pm

    @ brookly red:

    There’s a link to it in 267 above


  272. Alberta Oil Peon
    276 | February 5, 2013 5:52 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Hence the worms. You are responsible for the worms

    Mmmmm! Bait!


  273. BatGuano
    277 | February 5, 2013 5:53 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Don’t bother. Chuck is hopeless.


  274. lobo91
    278 | February 5, 2013 5:53 pm

    @ heysoos:

    .308 Winchester (7.62×51 NATO)

    It’s for a Springfield Armory M1A


  275. 279 | February 5, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ooh! Nice rifle!


  276. Lily
    280 | February 5, 2013 5:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    makes my blood run hot…my dear old dad was 2d Marines…he went to his grave with Japanese iron stuck inside him

    To all the military men and women ….past and present…
    THANK-YOU!
    and to your dad too.


  277. brookly red
    281 | February 5, 2013 5:56 pm

    got a 4 16x 50 for $179


  278. Lily
    282 | February 5, 2013 5:56 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Don’t bother. Chuck is hopeless.

    His brain went to mush. Blahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


  279. BatGuano
    283 | February 5, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    EdDantes made the Diary of Daedelus at least twice. One was a misunderstanding of my post the other was election night when my post was fully understood.


  280. Lily
    284 | February 5, 2013 5:58 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Or check Pawn Shops!
    Never know.


  281. Da_Beerfreak
    285 | February 5, 2013 5:59 pm

    Lily wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Don’t bother. Chuck is hopeless.

    His brain went to mush. Blahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    Cheetos dust blowing around in an empty cavity…


  282. lobo91
    286 | February 5, 2013 5:59 pm

    @ brookly red:

    This particular scope is made specifically for long-range shooting (out to 800 yards) with the .308 Winchester cartridge. You zero it at 100 yards, and the reticle is marked with the appropriate holdover points all the way out to 800.


  283. BatGuano
    287 | February 5, 2013 5:59 pm

    @ Lily:
    irretrievably.


  284. brookly red
    288 | February 5, 2013 6:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Or check Pawn Shops!
    Never know.

    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…


  285. Da_Beerfreak
    289 | February 5, 2013 6:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Or check Pawn Shops!
    Never know.

    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…

    You bad. L :lol: L


  286. brookly red
    290 | February 5, 2013 6:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    This particular scope is made specifically for long-range shooting (out to 800 yards) with the .308 Winchester cartridge. You zero it at 100 yards, and the reticle is marked with the appropriate holdover points all the way out to 800.

    OK can’t be of help…


  287. lobo91
    291 | February 5, 2013 6:02 pm

    @ brookly red:

    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…

    I suspect that the Mexican cartels shoot a lot like Muslims do.

    No need for a scope like that for spray-and-pray.


  288. song_and_dance_man
    292 | February 5, 2013 6:03 pm

    @ BatGuano:
    I was tired of that place well before I was banned. The place was already turning into a mess.


  289. Lily
    293 | February 5, 2013 6:03 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    BatGuano wrote:
    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Don’t bother. Chuck is hopeless.
    His brain went to mush. Blahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    Cheetos dust blowing around in an empty cavity…

    Bingo!


  290. brookly red
    294 | February 5, 2013 6:03 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Or check Pawn Shops!
    Never know.

    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…

    You bad. L L

    I am a project manager… I know how to get things done.


  291. lobo91
    295 | February 5, 2013 6:03 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I’ve found a number of places that carry it. They’re all out of stock.

    I’ll probably just wait until Midway gets them back in.


  292. song_and_dance_man
    296 | February 5, 2013 6:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…

    Now that’s funny.


  293. lobo91
    297 | February 5, 2013 6:04 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Ooh! Nice rifle!

    Thanks.

    I figure it deserves a decent scope.


  294. Lily
    298 | February 5, 2013 6:05 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ BatGuano:
    I was tired of that place well before I was banned. The place was already turning into a mess.

    No kidding! The hate for people who believed in God ….the whole thing. I got banned for just reading a thread the secret thread were Zombie was banned because I didn’t comment. Dumb. I like it here better. ;)


  295. brookly red
    300 | February 5, 2013 6:06 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…

    Now that’s funny.

    gosh every time I seriously try to help people think I am joking, wtf?


  296. Alberta Oil Peon
    301 | February 5, 2013 6:06 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    One “needs” a gun for the same reason one “needs” a fire extinguisher in one’s home, or a seat belt in one’s car. Prudence dictates that, if certain tools are available that may help one to preserve his life in the case of certain eventualities, that one should avail himself of those tools.


  297. Lily
    302 | February 5, 2013 6:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…
    I suspect that the Mexican cartels shoot a lot like Muslims do.
    No need for a scope like that for spray-and-pray.

    Yep. No skills.


  298. Tanker
    303 | February 5, 2013 6:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I checked there already. Nobody has the exact model I’m looking for at the moment. Someone has a similar one, but it has a different reticle than what I want.
    This is the one I’m looking for

    Things that make grown men drool. Springfield M1A makes it worse. Love my Ruger M77 .308 synthetic stock.


  299. Lily
    304 | February 5, 2013 6:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Or check Pawn Shops!
    Never know.
    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…

    There ya go! That’s place to go! LOL!


  300. brookly red
    305 | February 5, 2013 6:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Piers Morgan Calls Pro-Second Amendment Protesters “Tyrannical”…

    fine, whatever, deport his ass the sooner the better.


  301. lobo91
    306 | February 5, 2013 6:09 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    One “needs” a gun for the same reason one “needs” a fire extinguisher in one’s home, or a seat belt in one’s car. Prudence dictates that, if certain tools are available that may help one to preserve his life in the case of certain eventualities, that one should avail himself of those tools.

    Exactly.

    And unlike a wrench or a drill bit, when the tool you need is a gun, you don’t have time to go to Home Depot and pick it up.


  302. Lily
    307 | February 5, 2013 6:09 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    or for that exact model call Eric Holder and speak Spanish…
    Now that’s funny.
    gosh every time I seriously try to help people think I am joking, wtf?

    Ya know maybe it’s the in the way ya word it. Just saying. ;)


  303. BatGuano
    308 | February 5, 2013 6:10 pm

    @ Lily:
    CJ banned everyone who had given him credibility. I’m just being Captain obvious. :)


  304. brookly red
    309 | February 5, 2013 6:10 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I checked there already. Nobody has the exact model I’m looking for at the moment. Someone has a similar one, but it has a different reticle than what I want.
    This is the one I’m looking for

    Things that make grown men drool. Springfield M1A makes it worse. Love my Ruger M77 .308 synthetic stock.

    got M1903 Springfield .30-06… drool away.


  305. buzzsawmonkey
    310 | February 5, 2013 6:10 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    One “needs” a gun for the same reason one “needs” a fire extinguisher in one’s home, or a seat belt in one’s car. Prudence dictates that, if certain tools are available that may help one to preserve his life in the case of certain eventualities, that one should avail himself of those tools.

    Many people who do not feel that need will not accept that you or I or someone else does. But while you are right in the larger sense, it does not matter; the fundamental point is that you don’t get to determine my needs, and I don’t get to determine yours.

    Whether one of us feels the “need” for a gun or a Faberge egg, it is we who determine our own needs, not someone else.


  306. lobo91
    311 | February 5, 2013 6:12 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Things that make grown men drool. Springfield M1A makes it worse. Love my Ruger M77 .308 synthetic stock.

    I have this one.

    I looked at the synthetic stock, but I didn’t like the feel of it. It’s a little shorter, along with being lighter. I have fairly long arms.


  307. Lily
    312 | February 5, 2013 6:14 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    Yeah he’s boring now and annoying…haven’t been there in years.


  308. brookly red
    313 | February 5, 2013 6:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Tanker:

    Things that make grown men drool. Springfield M1A makes it worse. Love my Ruger M77 .308 synthetic stock.

    I have this one.

    I looked at the synthetic stock, but I didn’t like the feel of it. It’s a little shorter, along with being lighter. I have fairly long arms.

    I suppose Springfield is the best after all.


  309. Lily
    314 | February 5, 2013 6:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
    One “needs” a gun for the same reason one “needs” a fire extinguisher in one’s home, or a seat belt in one’s car. Prudence dictates that, if certain tools are available that may help one to preserve his life in the case of certain eventualities, that one should avail himself of those tools.
    Many people who do not feel that need will not accept that you or I or someone else does. But while you are right in the larger sense, it does not matter; the fundamental point is that you don’t get to determine my needs, and I don’t get to determine yours.
    Whether one of us feels the “need” for a gun or a Faberge egg, it is we who determine our own needs, not someone else.

    Excatly I like soda’s….you don’t…you don’t get to tell me not to drink them. In essense.


  310. lobo91
    315 | February 5, 2013 6:17 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I suppose Springfield is the best after all.

    Nothing wrong with Rugers. I own one of theirs, too.

    I was referring to the synthetic stock version of the M1A, though.


  311. brookly red
    316 | February 5, 2013 6:17 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Whether one of us feels the “need” for a gun or a Faberge egg, it is we who determine our own needs, not someone else.

    well unfortunately it is usually others that do actually determine our need for a gun… often in packs of 4 or 5. Juss saying


  312. Tanker
    317 | February 5, 2013 6:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    Things that make grown men drool. Springfield M1A makes it worse. Love my Ruger M77 .308 synthetic stock.
    I have this one.
    I looked at the synthetic stock, but I didn’t like the feel of it. It’s a little shorter, along with being lighter. I have fairly long arms.

    Yours Loaded Match grade or standard? I sold a match grade about 7 years ago….dumbass move on my part!


  313. BatGuano
    318 | February 5, 2013 6:19 pm

    @ Lily:
    I’m still posting crap there now. His sentry’s are asleep.


  314. heysoos
    319 | February 5, 2013 6:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    .308 Winchester (7.62×51 NATO)
    It’s for a Springfield Armory M1A

    oh boy…


  315. lobo91
    320 | February 5, 2013 6:19 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Yours Loaded Match grade or standard? I sold a match grade about 7 years ago….dumbass move on my part!

    Mine is a loaded, with the stainless barrel and walnut stock.


  316. brookly red
    321 | February 5, 2013 6:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I suppose Springfield is the best after all.

    Nothing wrong with Rugers. I own one of theirs, too.

    I was referring to the synthetic stock version of the M1A, though.

    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.


  317. lobo91
    322 | February 5, 2013 6:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    Excatly I like soda’s….you don’t…you don’t get to tell me not to drink them. In essense.

    Offer void in NYC
    //


  318. lobo91
    323 | February 5, 2013 6:22 pm

    @ brookly red:

    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.

    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.

    They go for close to $300 now.


  319. Alberta Oil Peon
    324 | February 5, 2013 6:22 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    WTH???? People put up with this???? What happens when some Christian and Jewish patrols happen???? Hmmmmmm?
    /I don’t understand why they put up with this or why they don’t do something about it.

    A Molotov cocktail, or better yet, a hand grenade pitched off a dark roof into the heart of the mob would be very effective. Most likely no person, and no video camera, would be able to see or identify the hurler, and he or she could make a clean getaway.


  320. Tanker
    325 | February 5, 2013 6:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I suppose Springfield is the best after all.
    Nothing wrong with Rugers. I own one of theirs, too.
    I was referring to the synthetic stock version of the M1A, though.

    I would rather have my Springfield (Walnut stock) back, but having a .308 is a must in my book so Ruger it is for now! My 30.06 is a Mouser!


  321. Da_Beerfreak
    326 | February 5, 2013 6:23 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    One “needs” a gun for the same reason one “needs” a fire extinguisher in one’s home, or a seat belt in one’s car. Prudence dictates that, if certain tools are available that may help one to preserve his life in the case of certain eventualities, that one should avail himself of those tools.

    Best one I’ve heard was “A gun is like a parachute, you may never need it, but if you do and don’t have one…”.


  322. Lily
    327 | February 5, 2013 6:23 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’m still posting crap there now. His sentry’s are asleep.

    Oooooooooooooh why????? Isn’t it just plain nutty over there???


  323. heysoos
    328 | February 5, 2013 6:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.
    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.
    They go for close to $300 now.

    my first gun was a 1909 Win .22ca short pumper…12 shots I think…a downsized toy


  324. brookly red
    329 | February 5, 2013 6:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.

    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.

    They go for close to $300 now.

    yeah… we used to saw off most of the barrel and the stock in shop class.


  325. lobo91
    330 | February 5, 2013 6:25 pm

    This is disturbing:

    Colorado: The Assault on the Second Amendment Commences in Denver

    Anti-gun legislators in the Colorado General Assembly have wasted no time this legislative session attempting to victimize and disarm law-abiding residents of the Centennial State. Just today, a comprehensive gun control package was unveiled that aims to strip you of your Second Amendment rights.

    While official bill language has not been released, below are some of the disturbing and disenfranchising proposals announced today. The actual legislation may be introduced as early as tomorrow, so please stay tuned to http://www.nraila.org for updates on the evolving status of the comprehensive anti-gun package.

    Under the proposed legislation:

    You will be subject to expansive and overreaching investigations for all firearm purchases or transfers.

    You will be limited to magazines that hold less than or equal to ten rounds of ammunition, drastically infringing on your inherent right to self-defense.

    You will be subject to additional onerous training requirements to obtain a Concealed Weapons Permit.

    You will be charged a discriminatory fee (gun tax) to pay for the duplicative background check the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) administers in addition to what is already required by federal law.

    You will no longer be able to carry a concealed firearm for self-defense on college campuses, even after obtaining a permit to carry the firearm.

    Gun manufacturers of certain semi-automatic rifles will be held civilly liable for crimes committed with their firearms. This is a direct violation of the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

    When did I move to New York?


  326. Lily
    331 | February 5, 2013 6:26 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    WTH???? People put up with this???? What happens when some Christian and Jewish patrols happen???? Hmmmmmm?
    /I don’t understand why they put up with this or why they don’t do something about it.
    A Molotov cocktail, or better yet, a hand grenade pitched off a dark roof into the heart of the mob would be very effective. Most likely no person, and no video camera, would be able to see or identify the hurler, and he or she could make a clean getaway.

    I do believe you have a plan there. Kill the cell phones and the video camera’s too. Yeah I think this would work.


  327. heysoos
    332 | February 5, 2013 6:26 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.
    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.
    They go for close to $300 now.

    yeah… we used to saw off most of the barrel and the stock in shop class.

    I want a sawed off .410 auto load for home D…people think I’m crazy


  328. BatGuano
    333 | February 5, 2013 6:26 pm

    @ Lily:
    Very nutty. I’m just waiting for them to catch on.


  329. Lily
    334 | February 5, 2013 6:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Excatly I like soda’s….you don’t…you don’t get to tell me not to drink them. In essense.
    Offer void in NYC
    //

    Yep.


  330. Tanker
    335 | February 5, 2013 6:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.
    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.
    They go for close to $300 now.

    my first gun was a 1909 Win .22ca short pumper…12 shots I think…a downsized toy

    My youngest son’s first gun bought when he was 5 (19 now) was a Marlin Model 60 18 shot tube. He still loves that gun, really reliable.


  331. brookly red
    336 | February 5, 2013 6:29 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.
    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.
    They go for close to $300 now.

    yeah… we used to saw off most of the barrel and the stock in shop class.

    I want a sawed off .410 auto load for home D…people think I’m crazy

    then get this…http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=662&category=Revolver


  332. Lily
    337 | February 5, 2013 6:29 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Very nutty. I’m just waiting for them to catch on.

    LOL! That’s going to be a loooooooooong wait. ;)


  333. brookly red
    338 | February 5, 2013 6:31 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.
    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.
    They go for close to $300 now.

    my first gun was a 1909 Win .22ca short pumper…12 shots I think…a downsized toy

    My youngest son’s first gun bought when he was 5 (19 now) was a Marlin Model 60 18 shot tube. He still loves that gun, really reliable.

    In NY that is an “assault rifle” …


  334. BatGuano
    339 | February 5, 2013 6:31 pm

    @ Lily:
    Apparently so. I just got a response from CJ!


  335. heysoos
    340 | February 5, 2013 6:32 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.
    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.
    They go for close to $300 now.
    yeah… we used to saw off most of the barrel and the stock in shop class.
    I want a sawed off .410 auto load for home D…people think I’m crazy

    then get this…http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=662&category=Revolver

    I’ve checked them out, they come in a 5′ barrel too, I think…hell of a car jack deterrent…when a 410 slug comes roaring out the barrel, game over


  336. brookly red
    341 | February 5, 2013 6:33 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Apparently so. I just got a response from CJ!

    no matter how much he begs don’t send him any money.


  337. BatGuano
    342 | February 5, 2013 6:34 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Not a chance.


  338. brookly red
    343 | February 5, 2013 6:34 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    the first time I shot it was a Ruger .22 with the rotary clip I really wanted one but my father got me the Browning T-bolt instead… Gosh I am old.
    The venerable 10/22. First gun I bought with my own money. $69 when I was 16.
    They go for close to $300 now.
    yeah… we used to saw off most of the barrel and the stock in shop class.
    I want a sawed off .410 auto load for home D…people think I’m crazy

    then get this…http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=662&category=Revolver

    I’ve checked them out, they come in a 5′ barrel too, I think…hell of a car jack deterrent…when a 410 slug comes roaring out the barrel, game over

    they got great loads… 3 pcs of shot, followed by 3 discs, followed by 2 pcs shot in 1 load!


  339. 344 | February 5, 2013 6:34 pm

    New Thread.


  340. citizen_q
    345 | February 5, 2013 6:36 pm

    Cool, I step away to make some soup and we new have a gun thread!


  341. citizen_q
    346 | February 5, 2013 6:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    New Thread.

    Dagnabbit!

    I wuz just gettin used to this one agin. :-)


  342. Alberta Oil Peon
    347 | February 5, 2013 6:38 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I agree with that, and failed to state it explicitly, because to me it’s so obvious, that stating it verges on redundant. But libs are dense, for sure.


  343. buzzsawmonkey
    348 | February 5, 2013 6:38 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Hey, Tanker! I went back and added another comment to the bottom of those to Moran’s piece:

    What most of us who grew to adulthood during the Great Rutting Period of the past forty-plus years do not like to admit is that the “social conservatives” are largely, though not entirely, correct.

    The social-conservative message, however, does not sell well outside of perhaps a quarter to a third of the electorate, because during the forty-plus years of the Great Rutting Period that message has been systematically attacked in the schools, in entertainment, and in the popular press. Trying to sell the social-conservative viewpoint to the electorate at this point is akin to trying to re-veneer the top surface of an otherwise-rotted and worm-eaten table; doomed to failure and pointless.

    Having ceded the culture to the forces of libertinism, even the limited conservatism of financial responsibility is a tough sell, ill-received—for the very terms of debate and discussion have been determined by the adversary. That will not change until concerted efforts are made to recapture the culture across the board; but in the meantime, the call to financial responsibility provides a redoubt to defend, within which to plan, and from which to counterattack.


  344. lobo91
    349 | February 5, 2013 6:43 pm

    Boy, the libs would hate this video:

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyWL13xzD8k


  345. Alberta Oil Peon
    350 | February 5, 2013 6:46 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Read this: Box O Truth.


  346. Tanker
    351 | February 5, 2013 6:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Boy, the libs would hate this video:

    The cricket….granddaughter’s revenge! My daughter thought it was pellet rifle when I gave it to my granddaughter. Thought she was going to faint when the trigger was pulled the first time!


  347. citizen_q
    352 | February 5, 2013 6:51 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That little pink rifle reminds me of time I tried to talk my wife letting me build her a pink accented AR.

    She looked at me like I was picking my nose in public.

    Ah, well, I have made significant inroads with her anti-firearm upbringing, but Rome wasn’t built in a day I guess.


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