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The New Normal of low expectations; Update: Obama calls to delay Sequestration

by Rodan ( 167 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Economy, Progressives, unemployment at February 5th, 2013 - 11:00 am

As much as the media has tried to hype the Obama economy as the Obama Boom, the truth is that growth is anemic. The GDP contracted in the 4th quatrer, which is usually a recessionary sign. Unemployment went up and the economy is only adding 150,000-180,000 jobs a month, that is just treading water. Incomes have declined and thanks to Ben Bernanke’s money printing, the standard of living is crumbling. Yet somehow, Americans still love Obama and have accepted an anemic economy.

Nations probably never choose decline, at least not consciously. More likely they become victims of a creeping normalcy. Things once objectionable can become passively acceptable if they happen slowly, incrementally: the boiling-frog syndrome. Decline just sort of happens, year by year, decade by decade, one “meh” economic report at a time.

Last Thursday the U.S. Commerce Department reported that fourth-quarter GDP fell at a 0.1 percent annual rate. For the year, the U.S. economy grew a meager 2.2 percent. That’s a bit better than 2011, but about a percentage point less than what most economists think is the economy’s current potential. Even worse, the first few recovery years after deep downturn typically exhibit abnormally strong catch-up growth. But that’s not happening post–Great Recession. White House spokesman Jay Carney conceded the obvious, that the negative quarterly report was “not good news,” and then blamed congressional Republicans for creating a “headwind” of political uncertainty. The next day the Labor Department reported the unemployment rate ticking up to 7.9 percent in January as the economy added 157,000 net new jobs. At that rate of job creation, with all else equal, the economy wouldn’t return to 4.4 percent unemployment — the George W. Bush administration’s low point — for another eight years. Oh, and that’s assuming no recessions between now and 2021.

It must be terribly inconvenient for the Obama White House to be reminded every quarter and every month that the $800 billion stimulus — and subsequent mini-stimuli — failed to ignite the boom Obama economists repeatedly predicted through the first term.

It is sad that Americans are now accepting anemic growth and a lower standard of living. The Media-Entertainment Industrial Complex has convinced Americans this is the best we can do. Its sad that America which was a dynamic nation has low economic expectations.

Obama has robbed this nation of hope and left us with little change!

Update: Obama is calling to delay Sequestration

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama will ask Congress to come up with tens of billions of dollars in short-term spending cuts and tax revenue to put off the automatic across the board cuts that are scheduled to kick in March 1, White House officials said Tuesday.

Obama will make his request afternoon in a public statement at the White House.

The Republicans should hold firm and make Obama present a proposal.

 

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167 Responses to “The New Normal of low expectations; Update: Obama calls to delay Sequestration”
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  1. taxfreekiller
    1 | February 5, 2013 11:07 am

    The commie democrat party base voteing blocks could give a rats ass about the how the gnp or any of that, they will get the dole checks
    or they are elite rich trust babies like William Ayers.

    In fact for them the worse it is makes it sweet revenge on the hated prodctive class.


  2. darkwords
    2 | February 5, 2013 11:07 am

    Tumblr humor


  3. 3 | February 5, 2013 11:09 am

    Decline just sort of happens, year by year, decade by decade, one “meh” economic report at a time.

    That has been the history of Japan for the last 20 years. Remember when Japan was going to be able to buy America? Those days are done. Japan was done in in part by a huge real estate bubble. America also has been done in largely by a huge (government created) real estate bubble. I used to believe that real estate was property, and that you couldn’t lose everything when you owned property. Well, my experience in the real estate bubble taught me that you could lose your shirt dealing in rel estate, and I was no major player. My story isn’t a whole lot different than that of the average American. The Community Reinvestment Act is the most disasterous economic policy that the United States has ever followed. And I reckon it is still on the books. They are still trying to push home ownership to the masses, when the underlying economy will simply not support it.


  4. darkwords
    4 | February 5, 2013 11:10 am

    19 people having a worse day than you.


  5. 5 | February 5, 2013 11:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Community Reinvestment Act is the most disasterous economic policy that the United States has ever followed. And I reckon it is still on the books. They are still trying to push home ownership to the masses, when the underlying economy will simply not support it.

    They are doing no money down loans again.


  6. 6 | February 5, 2013 11:12 am

    Check the Update.


  7. RIX
    7 | February 5, 2013 11:12 am

    Regan did not walk into a booming economy, but he exhorted
    America to dream big.
    Obama walkks into a bad economy and raids the treasury and promotes
    class warfare while thinking small.


  8. 8 | February 5, 2013 11:19 am

    @ RIX:

    Obama likes an anemic economy. It makes Americans insecure and open to a Pro-Government message.


  9. 9 | February 5, 2013 11:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Check the Update.

    This is all Kabuki Theater to keep the fools and the rubes from noticing what has already happened.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama has signed into law a bill raising the government’s borrowing limit, averting a default and delaying the next clash over the nation’s debt until later this year.

    The legislation temporarily suspends the $16.4 trillion limit on federal borrowing. Experts say that will allow the government to borrow about $450 billion to meet interest payments and other obligations.

    The Senate gave the bill final approval last week and sent it to Obama, who signed it Monday shortly after returning from Minneapolis.

    Democrats and Obama had warned that failure to pass the bill could set off financial panic and threaten the economic recovery.

    The bill includes a provision attached by House Republicans that temporarily withholds lawmakers’ pay in either chamber that fails to produce a budget plan.


  10. taxfreekiller
    10 | February 5, 2013 11:20 am

    The USDA, former “Farmers Home Admistration” still has no down payment loans, govt. sub. for divorced women, they can get in a home for like $99.00, with payments as low as $150.00 a month the rest from U.S. taxpayers. Homes costing up to $150,000.00 here in Texas. Loans only work in rual areas and cities of under 10,000 population.

    I will just say that when you call the regional offices to talk to the people who underwrite the loans better have your getto talk down or understand “spanglish” if ya know what I’m saying.

    The crime is on going.@ Iron Fist:


  11. 11 | February 5, 2013 11:22 am

    @ doriangrey:

    It’s all Kabuki theater.


  12. 12 | February 5, 2013 11:25 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    It’s all Kabuki theater.

    Yup, things to distract the simple minded and easily deceived. Meanwhile Stephine Powers has rather quietly slipped away from the Obamanation Administration.


  13. taxfreekiller
    13 | February 5, 2013 11:26 am

    Also,

    Vietnam vets have a saying here in Texas.

    When they call the VA office in Dallas or Houston, they tell one another “I called Nigeraean phone bank operation today for help. I got some lady who used to work phone banks for the Nation of Islam in Chicago.”


  14. buzzsawmonkey
    14 | February 5, 2013 11:30 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Meanwhile Stephine Powers has rather quietly slipped away from the Obamanation Administration.

    You mean Samantha Powers? Mrs. Cass Sunstein?


  15. 15 | February 5, 2013 11:31 am

    @ doriangrey:

    It’s all a distraction from the coming debt crisis.


  16. 16 | February 5, 2013 11:32 am

    Here we go again!

    Housing Market Already Shows Signs of a New Bubble


  17. 17 | February 5, 2013 11:32 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Meanwhile Stephine Powers has rather quietly slipped away from the Obamanation Administration.
    You mean Samantha Powers? Mrs. Cass Sunstein?

    :oops: Yea… Thems be the felons I meant…


  18. 19 | February 5, 2013 11:33 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Powers called for a Nato attack on Israel.


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | February 5, 2013 11:33 am

    @ doriangrey:

    One wonders what new devilry that unholy team is cooking up.


  20. buzzsawmonkey
    21 | February 5, 2013 11:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Powers called for a Nato attack on Israel.

    Recently? I remember that she wanted the US to invade Israel to birth a “Palestinian” state by Caesarean dissection.


  21. taxfreekiller
    22 | February 5, 2013 11:36 am

    It is very possible the two party evil money cult will vote out a treason solution and at the same time give themselves a pardon.

    Something like trade what we owe china for millions of acers of mineral rights in Alaska.

    Any thing is possible, they know it is a f’d up ponzi and that they face U.S. all with guns and ammo and in a bad mood to boot.@ Rodan:


  22. 23 | February 5, 2013 11:36 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    One wonders what new devilry that unholy team is cooking up.

    I have no idea, but you know they didn’t just wake up one day and say to themselves, “Oh hell, we’re sooo tired of the best paying most powerful job we have ever had in our entire lives, let’s quit tomorrow”…


  23. 24 | February 5, 2013 11:38 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Something with the Deomcrat Party, no doubt. The Democrat Party is evil as surely as the Republican Party is stupid.


  24. taxfreekiller
    25 | February 5, 2013 11:38 am

    That is way he will be voted out here in Texas.

    The R leadership may use him for a amnesty vote knowing he will get his ass voted out, they will pay him off with the Pres. of UT Austin and a big pay check.

    @ buzzsawmonkey:


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    26 | February 5, 2013 11:39 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    I have no idea, but you know they didn’t just wake up one day and say to themselves, “Oh hell, we’re sooo tired of the best paying most powerful job we have ever had in our entire lives, let’s quit tomorrow”…

    Perhaps they decided to go to Viagra Falls, since I’m sure Samantha is the hottest thing Sunstein has been near since he farted into a working toaster.


  26. taxfreekiller
    27 | February 5, 2013 11:39 am

    why@ taxfreekiller:


  27. 28 | February 5, 2013 11:41 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Yup, I could not have said it better.


  28. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | February 5, 2013 11:41 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    I’m confused. What has John Conyers to do with Texas? He’s from Michigan.


  29. 30 | February 5, 2013 11:41 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s the incident I am talking about.


  30. taxfreekiller
    31 | February 5, 2013 11:42 am

    OOPS:

    I need to keep my contac lens in.

    thought those words came out of John Cornyn.

    not that he would not use the words and for sure he will vote with McCain and the Democrats in the Senate for amnesty.@ taxfreekiller:


  31. buzzsawmonkey
    32 | February 5, 2013 11:44 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    John Conyers
    John Cornyn
    Jon Corzine

    It’s easy to get mixed up…


  32. taxfreekiller
    33 | February 5, 2013 11:44 am

    The two party evil money cult has been running a 50 year long con..
    It failed bad.

    The jig is up.

    clop, clop, Clop, CLOP


  33. RIX
    34 | February 5, 2013 11:46 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Obama likes an anemic economy. It makes Americans insecure and open to a Pro-Government message.

    He wants then people dependent.


  34. taxfreekiller
    35 | February 5, 2013 11:46 am

    Three nut shells moving fast and furious.

    Nothing under any of them.

    Eyes wide open now.


  35. Ben_Dover
    37 | February 5, 2013 11:55 am

    So what is the solution?


  36. taxfreekiller
    38 | February 5, 2013 11:59 am

    Vote out all Democrats.

    Vote out all RINO’s.

    Self Goverment Works.@ Ben_Dover:


  37. 39 | February 5, 2013 11:59 am

    @ Ben_Dover:

    Print more money! Paul Krugman says as long as we can print it, we can never run out… :roll:


  38. 40 | February 5, 2013 12:00 pm

    @ Ben_Dover:

    Get our fiscal house in order. Then reform our tax and regulatory structure to reflect a 21st Century economy.


  39. Lily
    41 | February 5, 2013 12:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Something with the Deomcrat Party, no doubt. The Democrat Party is evil as surely as the Republican Party is stupid.

    Evil is right when they showed that they rejected God and Israel 3 times at the DNC convention. That there is bad mojo and I am really surprised how many people have said very little about it.


  40. Ben_Dover
    42 | February 5, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    How will you accomplish that with a diminishing voting base?


  41. Ben_Dover
    43 | February 5, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ Rodan:

    See my answer to taxfreekiller


  42. lobo91
    44 | February 5, 2013 12:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Ben_Dover:

    Print more money! Paul Krugman says as long as we can print it, we can never run out…

    Here’s his latest:

    Krugman On How To Pay For Entitlement Programs: “Death Panels And Sales Taxes Is How We Do This”…

    Eventually we do have a problem. That the population is getting older, health care costs are rising…there is this question of how we’re going to pay for the programs. The year 2025, the year 2030, something is going to have to give…. …. We’re going to need more revenue…Surely it will require some sort of middle class taxes as well.. We won’t be able to pay for the kind of government the society will want without some increase in taxes… on the middle class, maybe a value added tax…And we’re also going to have to make decisions about health care, doc pay for health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits . So the snarky version…which I shouldn’t even say because it will get me in trouble is death panels and sales taxes is how we do this.


  43. taxfreekiller
    45 | February 5, 2013 12:03 pm

    Even better,, invest the Social Security funds held in the “lock box” in Carbon Credits traded on Al Gores Chicago Commities Exchange.

    @ Iron Fist:


  44. Ben_Dover
    46 | February 5, 2013 12:03 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That actually be a good thing


  45. citizen_q
    47 | February 5, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ Lily:

    The media in large part is the propaganda arm of the DNC


  46. Lily
    48 | February 5, 2013 12:05 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:
    How will you accomplish that with a diminishing voting base?

    It’s not only a diminishing voting base but couple that with fraud and you have a major problem…..and as far as our diminishing voting base..this is disgraceful..blame the schools, because too many people don’t vote and could care less about it. How much blood has been shed for this freedom?? No they are more worried about being called for jury duty if they vote. Disgusting.


  47. 49 | February 5, 2013 12:07 pm

    @ Ben_Dover:

    You’re crazy. Have you seen the state of Zimbabwe’s economy? That is what happens when you go crazy printing money. The only reason inflation isn’t worse than it is is that the unemployment rate is so high. There’s too much liquidity in the system, but it is tied up in companies that won’t spend due to regulations and uncertainty, so there isn’t as much demand. Given the demand, prices would simply skyrocket. Bernanke is printing an economic time bomb. When it goes off, it will finish destroying the economy.


  48. taxfreekiller
    50 | February 5, 2013 12:08 pm

    The vote base has not gone away.

    Some voters are sort of loose reining the commie Democrats knowing they will keep heading for the cliffs and for sure will self-destroy themselves. Ya, they know they themselves will get hurt, but the also know when it gets bad the commie dole voters will not be so happy being left out in the cold with nothing to eat.

    These not so missing voters see the long range of it.

    Commie shit never works.@ Ben_Dover:


  49. Ben_Dover
    51 | February 5, 2013 12:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:
    How will you accomplish that with a diminishing voting base?

    It’s not only a diminishing voting base but couple that with fraud and you have a major problem…..and as far as our diminishing voting base..this is disgraceful..blame the schools, because too many people don’t vote and could care less about it. How much blood has been shed for this freedom?? No they are more worried about being called for jury duty if they vote. Disgusting.

    This has nothing to do with less education. When people block vote and there is fraud, the system is broke.


  50. Ben_Dover
    52 | February 5, 2013 12:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Maybe the faster the house comes down, the better? Think about it.


  51. taxfreekiller
    53 | February 5, 2013 12:10 pm

    You go first.@ Ben_Dover:


  52. Lily
    54 | February 5, 2013 12:11 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The media in large part is the propaganda arm of the DNC

    The media is a disgrace! It has always been slanted…but dear heavens what I have been seeing with the media now days is way, way overboard.


  53. taxfreekiller
    55 | February 5, 2013 12:12 pm

    DNC/MSM sick incest.


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | February 5, 2013 12:12 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Evil is right when they showed that they rejected God and Israel 3 times at the DNC convention. That there is bad mojo and I am really surprised how many people have said very little about it.

    See, it’s Biblical: Peter denied Jesus three times before the cock crowed; the Democrats denied God in their platform because, having become the Party of Sexual License, they’ve taken their peters down the cock road.


  55. Ben_Dover
    57 | February 5, 2013 12:13 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Out of the ashes rises a phoenix?


  56. taxfreekiller
    58 | February 5, 2013 12:16 pm

    Out of ashes rises death dealing commies.

    It will not go that way.

    All the Democrats have is control over the “lie protection” operation of the msm.

    The lies are to big and to heavy now.

    Reason and common sense will win out.


  57. Lily
    59 | February 5, 2013 12:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Ben_Dover:
    You’re crazy. Have you seen the state of Zimbabwe’s economy? That is what happens when you go crazy printing money. The only reason inflation isn’t worse than it is is that the unemployment rate is so high. There’s too much liquidity in the system, but it is tied up in companies that won’t spend due to regulations and uncertainty, so there isn’t as much demand. Given the demand, prices would simply skyrocket. Bernanke is printing an economic time bomb. When it goes off, it will finish destroying the economy.

    Indeed Iron Fist…so many people are calling for it to collaspe and just get it over with! Really???? Have they thought this through? No! They don’t care about the damage and they surely aren’t think about all the bad that could happen if this happens. They all see it as this:Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:
    Out of the ashes rises a phoenix?

    Yeah well what if that doesn’t happen?? What then?


  58. taxfreekiller
    60 | February 5, 2013 12:18 pm

    http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

    John F. Kerry is a liar and a fraud.

    Bill Clinton did have sex with that woman.

    William Ayers is a inhouse terrorist working with B. Obama.

    Tax and Spend is a crime.

    Open Borders Kill.


  59. Ben_Dover
    61 | February 5, 2013 12:19 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Reason and common sense will always lose to brainwashing. You will see.


  60. Guggi
    62 | February 5, 2013 12:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Ben_Dover:
    Get our fiscal house in order. Then reform our tax and regulatory structure to reflect a 21st Century economy.

    The other way round, Rodan, the other way round ;-)

    First reform tax and regulatory struckture then get your fiscal house in order.


  61. Lily
    63 | February 5, 2013 12:20 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Ben_Dover wrote:
    @ taxfreekiller:
    How will you accomplish that with a diminishing voting base?
    It’s not only a diminishing voting base but couple that with fraud and you have a major problem…..and as far as our diminishing voting base..this is disgraceful..blame the schools, because too many people don’t vote and could care less about it. How much blood has been shed for this freedom?? No they are more worried about being called for jury duty if they vote. Disgusting.
    This has nothing to do with less education. When people block vote and there is fraud, the system is broke.

    Broad bush painting with your answers here I see. Of course there is a lot of people not voting because they don’t consider it important.
    If this were not so…more people would be voting. They aren’t.


  62. taxfreekiller
    64 | February 5, 2013 12:20 pm

    go piss up your well used rope@ Ben_Dover:


  63. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | February 5, 2013 12:21 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    Reason and common sense will always lose to brainwashing.

    Worse still is the brainwashers using “common sense” as the means to brainwash—as Obama and his henchmen are doing with the anti-gun agitation. They keep repeating “common sense, common sense” to try and drum their utter nonsense into the heads of the populace as “common sense.”

    And if they pound it into enough heads, it will indeed be the “common sense”—never mind that it is wrong.


  64. Lily
    66 | February 5, 2013 12:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Evil is right when they showed that they rejected God and Israel 3 times at the DNC convention. That there is bad mojo and I am really surprised how many people have said very little about it.
    See, it’s Biblical: Peter denied Jesus three times before the cock crowed; the Democrats denied God in their platform because, having become the Party of Sexual License, they’ve taken their peters down the cock road.

    LOL!
    /not really funny..but the democrats surely are concerned with the sex angle now aren’t they?


  65. taxfreekiller
    67 | February 5, 2013 12:22 pm

    Laup Nor you need help.


  66. Ben_Dover
    68 | February 5, 2013 12:24 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’ve talked to liberals and I can tell you NOTHING you say will convince them, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. These people are very, very brainwashed and stupid to boot.


  67. Lily
    69 | February 5, 2013 12:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Ben_Dover wrote:
    Reason and common sense will always lose to brainwashing.
    Worse still is the brainwashers using “common sense” as the means to brainwash—as Obama and his henchmen are doing with the anti-gun agitation. They keep repeating “common sense, common sense” to try and drum their utter nonsense into the heads of the populace as “common sense.”
    And if they pound it into enough heads, it will indeed be the “common sense”—never mind that it is wrong.

    And it is working!!!!! Too many people believe the MSM and the lies of obama which the MSM is also pushing as common sense and reason! If common sense and reason always win then obama would not have been re-elected.


  68. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | February 5, 2013 12:26 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    I’ve talked to liberals and I can tell you NOTHING you say will convince them, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. These people are very, very brainwashed and stupid to boot.

    You just haven’t been persuasive enough, or have been talking to the wrong liberals.

    I have occasionally found words and experience will convince people to change their minds. And, of course, “vote for me or I’ll kill you” works wonders…


  69. Lily
    71 | February 5, 2013 12:28 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I’ve talked to liberals and I can tell you NOTHING you say will convince them, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. These people are very, very brainwashed and stupid to boot.

    Not all of them are stupid…but when it comes to believing the lies of the MSM and obama…they fall for it in many different ways…and trust me I know a helluva lot of liberals and each one has a different reason for supporting the propaganda.


  70. Ben_Dover
    72 | February 5, 2013 12:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    No wonder you lost the last elections


  71. buzzsawmonkey
  72. buzzsawmonkey
    74 | February 5, 2013 12:30 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    No wonder you lost the last elections

    I didn’t “lose” anything; I wasn’t running.

    If you voted for the Democrats, you lost the last elections. You just don’t know it yet.


  73. Lily
    75 | February 5, 2013 12:31 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    No wonder you lost the last elections

    ????????
    / you are not from this country? We lost the last election because of the cult of obama….and the cult of the media who are so biased to obama. Simple as that.


  74. Ben_Dover
    76 | February 5, 2013 12:32 pm

    @ Lily:

    In my experience, Black and Hispanic will ALWAYS vote for the Democrats, one for legalizing illegal votes and the other for perceived racism. This will never change. The others that do vote Democrats are simply ignorant and stupid.


  75. Ben_Dover
    77 | February 5, 2013 12:33 pm

    @ Lily:

    Stop blaming the media and Obama, there is a bigger problem here. See the larger picture.


  76. buzzsawmonkey
    78 | February 5, 2013 12:34 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    In my experience

    Which would be…?


  77. Guggi
    79 | February 5, 2013 12:34 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    struckture

    nice, I mixes German (Struktur) and English (structure) together and got: “struckture”. Denglish


  78. Ben_Dover
    80 | February 5, 2013 12:35 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The fact that 51% voted Obama proves your ‘persuasion techniques’ don’t work


  79. Lily
    81 | February 5, 2013 12:35 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Stop blaming the media and Obama, there is a bigger problem here. See the larger picture.

    You didn’t answer my question…stop blaming the media and obama? Hell no! Are there more problems going on hell yes! And if you live here you are one of them.


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    82 | February 5, 2013 12:37 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    The fact that 51% voted Obama proves your ‘persuasion techniques’ don’t work

    Not in the least. My persuasion techniques were never even tried. If I’d been running Romney’s campaign he would have buried Obama.


  81. Lily
    83 | February 5, 2013 12:37 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ Lily:
    In my experience, Black and Hispanic will ALWAYS vote for the Democrats, one for legalizing illegal votes and the other for perceived racism. This will never change. The others that do vote Democrats are simply ignorant and stupid.

    In your experience? Sorry I question that. I have talked to people who voted for obama and they aren’t as simple as you just painted it.


  82. taxfreekiller
    84 | February 5, 2013 12:39 pm

    Owners of blogmocray be carefull of this.

    Seems to be fishing for a over the top response.

    Get more info and be very careful.


  83. Lily
    85 | February 5, 2013 12:39 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    The fact that 51% voted Obama proves your ‘persuasion techniques’ don’t work

    No but the media’s persuasion does. Buzz is only one man…what the hell are you talking about? Are you a democrat or someone from another country? Or you just didn’t vote!


  84. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | February 5, 2013 12:39 pm

    @ Lily:

    Benjy is a troll, trying to goad people into making unflattering comments about Obama voters that can be spun as “racist.”


  85. Ben_Dover
    87 | February 5, 2013 12:40 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’m not convinced. Romney was the most ‘liberal’ of all the candidates that ran and yet he lost. I hope you’re right, for the next elections but I very much doubt.


  86. 88 | February 5, 2013 12:40 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Romney left a lot of ammo unspent, didn’t he? What was he conserving it for? I kept expecting the wave of ads that would bury Obama, and it never came. There was so much to run against. Romney’s strategy was by fools. They thought if they made Romney a credible alternative, the masses would come. Instead, they managed to make people say “Obama’s not so bad he doesn’t deserve a second chance”. Not a winning strategy. They should have buried Obama. They had the campaign funds to run the commercials necessary for such a push.


  87. taxfreekiller
    89 | February 5, 2013 12:42 pm

    @ Ben_Dover:
    In that case the RINO’s have the solution just give out more dole to the voters and the Republicans win big time, problem solved.

    Hell Republican RINO’s lie as well as or better than Democrats anyhow.


  88. Lily
    90 | February 5, 2013 12:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Got it.
    /thanks. :)


  89. buzzsawmonkey
    91 | February 5, 2013 12:43 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    I’m not convinced. Romney was the most ‘liberal’ of all the candidates that ran and yet he lost. I hope you’re right, for the next elections but I very much doubt.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say here. If this is the level of discourse you try on “liberal voters” to persuade them to see things in a conservative light, it is no wonder you are discouraged at the results you’re getting.


  90. taxfreekiller
    92 | February 5, 2013 12:46 pm

    Another solution is to pay off the bankers like the one from Bank of Oklahoma (one of the largest doners to Obama and the Democrats) then all the rich bankers will send the RNC re-election money rather than the commie Democrats. Sort of a John Corzine method of theft.

    Then the Republicans could start to pretend to belive the CO2 lie and do their on tax money theft via that and feel good at the same time. @ Ben_Dover:


  91. Ben_Dover
    93 | February 5, 2013 12:47 pm

    Everybody, please take it easy. I’m not here for personal fights. Good Lord, I have better thing to do with my time. I’m just trying to get and honest discussion going.

    All of you more or less claim that voters would adhere to reason and logic and will vote for the best candidate. I beg to differ. I see it differently. I see at least half the voters are completely brain washed and none of ‘reason and logic; will work.

    I heard Hillary has already st up a PAC. Think about it, why is she so confident to run? You would think she would be the last to run.


  92. Lily
    94 | February 5, 2013 12:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Romney left a lot of ammo unspent, didn’t he? What was he conserving it for? I kept expecting the wave of ads that would bury Obama, and it never came. There was so much to run against. Romney’s strategy was by fools. They thought if they made Romney a credible alternative, the masses would come. Instead, they managed to make people say “Obama’s not so bad he doesn’t deserve a second chance”. Not a winning strategy. They should have buried Obama. They had the campaign funds to run the commercials necessary for such a push.

    Yes Romney did…but then again one would have thought all the negative things obama had done so close to the election would have also buried obama. Benghazi for one, revenge another. This was a weird election and personally I’m not sure if Romney threw the kitchen sink into the campagin it would have worked. Commericals weren’t going to work completely. Obama divided people on so many different issues…not sure anything would have worked here. Even if you ran JFK against him obama would have won! That was how bad it was!


  93. RIX
    95 | February 5, 2013 12:49 pm

    Today would have been Trayvon Martins 18th birthday.
    Tomorrow is the sixth birthday for the little boy
    rescued in Alabama.
    Ironic coincidence.


  94. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | February 5, 2013 12:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Romney left a lot of ammo unspent, didn’t he? What was he conserving it for? I kept expecting the wave of ads that would bury Obama, and it never came. There was so much to run against. Romney’s strategy was by fools. They thought if they made Romney a credible alternative, the masses would come. Instead, they managed to make people say “Obama’s not so bad he doesn’t deserve a second chance”. Not a winning strategy. They should have buried Obama. They had the campaign funds to run the commercials necessary for such a push.

    Ironically, Romney beat himself the same way Perry beat himself.

    It was obvious during the early debates that Perry was doing less well than he should have; he lumbered out there looking like Jud the hired man in his Sunday suit, stiff and uncomfortable and wooden and lifeless in his delivery. He had clearly hired hisself one o’ them thar consultant fellers, who done tole him thet the way ter beat this here Romney feller was to be an even bigger Romney than Romney hisself was!

    Stupid, stupid, stupid. Perry should have strolled out, nice and easy, in a cowboy shirt and jeans, and looked just as relaxed as if he were sittin’ on the cracker barrel at the general store. He’d have blown the lot of them away—instead, he beat himself.

    Romney did the same thing. He hired hisself a whole buncha them consultant fellers, ‘cuz he could afford more than Perry, an’ they tole him that he should be Obama in whiteface with a nice big passbook and some US Savings bonds. That worked on Obama just about as well as Perry trying to be Romney worked on Romney.


  95. buzzsawmonkey
    97 | February 5, 2013 12:50 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    Good Lord, I have better thing to do with my time.

    By all means, let us not keep you from them.


  96. taxfreekiller
    98 | February 5, 2013 12:50 pm

    She is a life long commie, a Bill Clinton enabler, a Bengazie liar, and loves her some islam, so yes she is the best the commie Democrats have to offer and they should back her 1000%. If not they are all liars if they do not do so.@ Ben_Dover:


  97. Ben_Dover
    99 | February 5, 2013 12:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Honestly, I agree with you. You have a good point. It’s not just him but pretty much the entire GOP leadership.


  98. RIX
    100 | February 5, 2013 12:51 pm

    @ Lily:
    Neither Lincoln or Reagan would have defeated Obama.
    The media & the electorate are different.


  99. Lily
    101 | February 5, 2013 12:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Today would have been Trayvon Martins 18th birthday.
    Tomorrow is the sixth birthday for the little boy
    rescued in Alabama.
    Ironic coincidence.

    And the media has said ‘what’?


  100. Ben_Dover
    102 | February 5, 2013 12:53 pm

    I read an interesting write up by Sowell. The Dems always frame the argument and not the GOP. He is absolutely right.


  101. Ben_Dover
    103 | February 5, 2013 12:54 pm

    @ RIX:

    Exactly


  102. Lily
    104 | February 5, 2013 12:55 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Neither Lincoln or Reagan would have defeated Obama.
    The media & the electorate are different.

    Excatly my point. This election was so out of whack if you ran a democratic icon against obama (like JFK) obama would have still won and JFK would have been a radical woman hating warmonger wingnut.


  103. taxfreekiller
    105 | February 5, 2013 12:55 pm

    The real power that makes it work with close votes for the commie Democrats crap on spending and other commie shit, in fact is the Republican RINO’s.

    So Democrats should love the work of the RNC.


  104. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | February 5, 2013 12:56 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    Honestly, I agree with you. You have a good point. It’s not just him but pretty much the entire GOP leadership.

    What we see here, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of the Concern Troll™.

    The Concern Troll™ attempts to spread discord and division through a form of agreement. Its native habitat is on any blog which discusses ideas to which it is opposed; it will attempt, by feigned agreement, to sow divisiveness and discord while actually adding nothing whatever to the conversation in the way of insight or amusement.

    Given that one of Obama’s objectives is to try and destroy the Republican party, as John Boehner finally realized—but only after the Republican establishment had first destroyed the conservative wing of the party—I think that Gentle Ben may be looked upon as an OFA representative of the Concern Troll™ variety, in spirit if not in paycheck.


  105. taxfreekiller
    107 | February 5, 2013 12:56 pm

    My feelings are hurt you will not agree with me.

    “tears”….@ Ben_Dover:


  106. Lily
    108 | February 5, 2013 12:57 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    I read an interesting write up by Sowell. The Dems always frame the argument and not the GOP. He is absolutely right.

    A divide and conquer here aren’t you?


  107. RIX
    109 | February 5, 2013 12:58 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Today would have been Trayvon Martins 18th birthday.
    Tomorrow is the sixth birthday for the little boy
    rescued in Alabama.
    Ironic coincidence.
    And the media has said ‘what’?

    We talked about it on the last thread. There was a happy birthday
    sing along outside the court house for Trayvon this morning,
    with release of black balloons.
    There will be a week long celebration of his life in Miami


  108. taxfreekiller
    110 | February 5, 2013 12:59 pm

    cool

    Ben? what think you?@ RIX:


  109. taxfreekiller
    111 | February 5, 2013 1:00 pm

    Great bait.

    Fish looking…

    ????

    just a little tug is my bet,,,


  110. Ben_Dover
    112 | February 5, 2013 1:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Should I be flattered? LOL!!!

    Seriously, how do i share my point of view without being accused of being a troll? Should I lock step with everybody and simply agree with you? I thought this was supposed to be the alternative to LGF? Chalres, is that you? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!


  111. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | February 5, 2013 1:00 pm

    RIX wrote:

    There will be a week long celebration of his life in Miami

    “He left! Yay!”


  112. Lily
    114 | February 5, 2013 1:01 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    My feelings are hurt you will not agree with me.
    “tears”….@ Ben_Dover:

    :( He really doesn’t agree with much other than himself.
    /hang in there TFK! The sun will shine again!!!!!


  113. taxfreekiller
    115 | February 5, 2013 1:01 pm

    LOL is so 1990′s


  114. RIX
    116 | February 5, 2013 1:01 pm

    @ Lily:
    Excatly my point. This election was so out of whack if you ran a democratic icon against obama (like JFK) obama would have still won and JFK would have been a radical woman hating warmonger wingnut.

    Of course the Obama Machine destroys anyone in his way.
    It has been a pattern & how he won the Senate.


  115. RIX
    117 | February 5, 2013 1:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    There will be a week long celebration of his life in Miami
    “He left! Yay!”

    Bizarre , isn’t it?


  116. buzzsawmonkey
    118 | February 5, 2013 1:03 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    Seriously, how do i share my point of view without being accused of being a troll?

    Try posting something of substance and losing the stupid “LOL” garbage.

    Try responding to something when asked—like telling us what the “experience” you referred to upthread is, so that it is possible to discover whether or not you are worth even this much time.

    Or not.


  117. 119 | February 5, 2013 1:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    There will be a week long celebration of his life in Miami

    His death has accomplished more for them than his life ever would have. He was another thug wannabe, who tried to beat up the wrong man. I think everybody knows that, even his “supporters”. They just want to milk the racial grivance thing, and I don’t buy into it. As you may know, I’ve been the victim of a violent crime. When I lived in Tallahassee, I was set upon by four people who tried to beat me to death. The police would do nothing, because, as it turns out, all four of them were student-athletes. Personally, I’d like a rematch now that mys skills are somewhat sharper, but that probably won’t happen. In any event, my sympathies are strongly with Zimmerman. These people who think he should have just taken his beating are full of shit.


  118. Da_Beerfreak
    120 | February 5, 2013 1:06 pm

    @ Ben_Dover:
    Outsider. Is that you???


  119. Lily
    121 | February 5, 2013 1:06 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    Today would have been Trayvon Martins 18th birthday.
    Tomorrow is the sixth birthday for the little boy
    rescued in Alabama.
    Ironic coincidence.
    And the media has said ‘what’?
    We talked about it on the last thread. There was a happy birthday
    sing along outside the court house for Trayvon this morning,
    with release of black balloons.
    There will be a week long celebration of his life in Miami

    Are you serious??? They realized black balloons and a sing-a-long outside of the court house? What about all the dead in Chicago or the flash-mobs that are happening in NYC???
    Unbelievable.

    Flash Mob Mayhem: Violent Groups Of Teens Leave NYC Businesses In Ruins

    Thugs With No Regard For Anyone But Themselves Causing Chaos All Over

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/04/flash-mob-mayhem-violent-groups-of-teens-leave-nyc-neighborhoods-in-disarray/


  120. Lily
    122 | February 5, 2013 1:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMF….released balloons


  121. Guggi
    123 | February 5, 2013 1:09 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    All of you more or less claim that voters would adhere to reason and logic and will vote for the best candidate. I beg to differ. I see it differently. I see at least half the voters are completely brain washed and none of ‘reason and logic; will work.

    Even the Swedes get to grips after decades of indoctrination of “Social Democracy” when they were nearly broken and voted for conservatives.


  122. buzzsawmonkey
    124 | February 5, 2013 1:09 pm

    Lily wrote:

    There was a happy birthday
    sing along outside the court house for Trayvon this morning,
    with release of black balloons.

    Not reported in the article was that the balloons were ribbed for extra pleasure.


  123. Lily
    125 | February 5, 2013 1:09 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Should I be flattered? LOL!!!
    Seriously, how do i share my point of view without being accused of being a troll? Should I lock step with everybody and simply agree with you? I thought this was supposed to be the alternative to LGF? Chalres, is that you? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What a minute should we lock step and agree with you? You are getting different opinions than your own and you have a problem with it? cj is that you???


  124. Ben_Dover
    126 | February 5, 2013 1:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Ok….I corrected a liberal on the great lie of ‘Clinton surplus’. I explained clearly how it was not a real surplus but a budgeted surplus and I was accused of lying. Nothing I told him could convince him otherwise.

    I have had several discourse with real Democrats and one point they keep bringing up are the tax breaks. So I asked in return, ‘why didn’t the Obama administration reform the tax code when they had both House and Senate. In fact if I’m not mistaken they had 24 days of filibuster proof of Congress and could have ran through any bill. Yet no amount of ‘reason and logic’ could convince this person.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that the Democrat base are immune to reason and logic. It won’t work.


  125. lobo91
    127 | February 5, 2013 1:11 pm

    @ Ben_Dover:

    I heard Hillary has already st up a PAC. Think about it, why is she so confident to run? You would think she would be the last to run.

    There’s a difference between a PAC and a campaign committee. If she has a PAC, it’s to allow her to spend money on other people’s campaigns.


  126. Guggi
    128 | February 5, 2013 1:12 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    Sowell

    Link ?


  127. Lily
    129 | February 5, 2013 1:12 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Excatly my point. This election was so out of whack if you ran a democratic icon against obama (like JFK) obama would have still won and JFK would have been a radical woman hating warmonger wingnut.
    Of course the Obama Machine destroys anyone in his way.
    It has been a pattern & how he won the Senate.

    Excatly! And it doesn’t help you have a weak GOP, a weak supreme court and a weak congress! Who the heck will stand up to this rogue president???? Apparently no one and that is the sad part.


  128. Ben_Dover
    130 | February 5, 2013 1:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    I didn’t accuse anybody of being a troll


  129. taxfreekiller
    131 | February 5, 2013 1:15 pm

    Congress membership total is not so weak, the R leadership is weak.
    The commie Democrats would hand the keys to the country over to the EPA given a chance.

    If the current leadership does not (man up, cowboy up) they run a real risk of being back benchers to some wilded eyed Texan.@ Lily:


  130. Lily
    132 | February 5, 2013 1:16 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Ben_Dover:
    Outsider. Is that you???

    No sounds more like a poster I called “petals” on DOD! Outsider usually addresses rodan…and rodan only. (If I have my trolls right here.) ;)


  131. Lily
    133 | February 5, 2013 1:17 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Oh my!!!! LOL!


  132. taxfreekiller
    134 | February 5, 2013 1:18 pm

    I am a troll, just looking for the chance to leap out from under a bridge and bite a commie on the neck and cause the commie to shift to a person of personal responsibility, get them to join the U.S. Marines, get out after a tour in Afgaistain and carry a gun and make fun of Obama’s ears.@ Ben_Dover:


  133. lobo91
    135 | February 5, 2013 1:18 pm

    Colorado: Second-Grader Suspended From School For Throwing Imaginary Grenade…

    A 2nd grader has been suspended from school in Loveland for a make believe game he was playing.

    The 7-year-old says he was trying to save the world. But school administrators say he broke a key rule during his pretend play.

    “I was trying to save people and I just can’t believe I got dispended,” says Alex Evans, who doesn’t understand his suspension any better than he can pronounce it.

    “It’s called ‘rescue the world,’” he says.

    He was playing a game during recess at Loveland’s Mary Blair Elementary School and threw an imaginary grenade into a box with pretend evil forces inside.

    “I pretended the box, there’s something shaking in it, and I go ‘pshhh.’”

    The boy didn’t throw anything real or make any threats against anyone. He explains he was pretending to be the hero. “So nothing can get out and destroy the world.”

    But his imaginary play broke the school’s real rules. The school lists “absolutes” designed to keep a safe environment. The list includes absolutely no fighting, real or imaginary; no weapons, real or imaginary.

    I think I see why Ben Dover is on here today…


  134. Lily
    136 | February 5, 2013 1:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Ben_Dover:
    I heard Hillary has already st up a PAC. Think about it, why is she so confident to run? You would think she would be the last to run.
    There’s a difference between a PAC and a campaign committee. If she has a PAC, it’s to allow her to spend money on other people’s campaigns.

    And lobo goes *BOOM* on benny’s comment! ;)


  135. 137 | February 5, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Sarah Palin has a PAC< but she didn't run for President this time around.


  136. song_and_dance_man
    138 | February 5, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I guess Hopscotch is out too, because one of the kids will get BEAT.


  137. buzzsawmonkey
    139 | February 5, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This is part of the war on boys.

    Teachers don’t want boys to act like boys, but like girls. They make rules that no sane adult would make and, when those rules are broken they recommend that the child be sedated.

    Then, after several years of the child living under the Imperius Curse of sedation, he gets good and fed up and goes and shoots up a school. And then everyone weeps and makes flower memorials and acts surprised, and starts it all over again, after passing ineffective gun-control laws.


  138. Lily
    140 | February 5, 2013 1:22 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I didn’t accuse anybody of being a troll

    And you were offended? Be thankful you weren’t accused of something else. Really. ;)
    /I have been called a thread murderer. So there.


  139. taxfreekiller
    141 | February 5, 2013 1:23 pm

    “Trolls do RECON”


  140. buzzsawmonkey
    142 | February 5, 2013 1:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I have been called a thread murderer.

    Well, that’s because you keep using those high-thread-count pillowcases when you press the pillow down on the thread’s face…


  141. Ben_Dover
    143 | February 5, 2013 1:28 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Point taken


  142. Ben_Dover
    144 | February 5, 2013 1:30 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Damn, I couldn’t find it.


  143. Lily
    145 | February 5, 2013 1:32 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Little boys will be boys!! This is sheer insanity to be honest.


  144. Guggi
    146 | February 5, 2013 1:33 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The feminization of men

    The irony is that a society without fathers or with fathers who can’t fulfill their role as a male role model (even a worse one) becomes more violent not less (Alexander Mitscherlich).


  145. Lily
    147 | February 5, 2013 1:34 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I guess Hopscotch is out too, because one of the kids will get BEAT.

    Oh and *BOOM* to your comment too!
    /don’t forget tether ball either because the ball my hit the child.
    It’s insanity.


  146. Ben_Dover
    148 | February 5, 2013 1:34 pm

    @ Lily:

    Ok then, so sorry and point taken


  147. Guggi
    149 | February 5, 2013 1:35 pm

    Ben_Dover wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Damn, I couldn’t find it.

    So, why should anyone trust you ?


  148. Lily
    150 | February 5, 2013 1:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I have been called a thread murderer.
    Well, that’s because you keep using those high-thread-count pillowcases when you press the pillow down on the thread’s face…

    Well I do have taste in linen. If you are going to do something ..do it with the best!
    :lol: :lol: :lol:


  149. buzzsawmonkey
    151 | February 5, 2013 1:37 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Little boys will be boys!!

    Not if dour Leftist teachers sporting Gender Studies degrees and committed to erasing “heteronormativity” have anything to say about it.


  150. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | February 5, 2013 1:39 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    The feminization of men

    The irony is that a society without fathers or with fathers who can’t fulfill their role as a male role model (even a worse one) becomes more violent not less (Alexander Mitscherlich).

    Case in point, the female-headed households of ghetto culture, the violent “honor culture” that the males create to counter it, and the peace and security of present-day Chicago.


  151. Ben_Dover
    153 | February 5, 2013 1:40 pm

    @ Guggi:

    I’ll find it. I got nothing to gain by lying. It’s pretty much the ‘meme’ of all Sowell’s write up’s.


  152. Lily
    154 | February 5, 2013 1:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Little boys will be boys!!
    Not if dour Leftist teachers sporting Gender Studies degrees and committed to erasing “heteronormativity” have anything to say about it.

    True….but be forewarned…a lot of boys just aren’t going down that path..just like the little boy who had a *make believe* grenade! Some yes..but boys are kicking and screaming about it. At least they were when I was raising mine..and this was the 90′s and early 2000′s! So I can imagine what it is like now!


  153. buzzsawmonkey
    155 | February 5, 2013 1:43 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    The feminization of men

    Masculine Women/Feminine Men.


  154. song_and_dance_man
    156 | February 5, 2013 1:43 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    The feminization of men

    Rush has been talking about this since I began listening to him. And that was in the late 80′s.


  155. Lily
    157 | February 5, 2013 1:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    The feminization of men
    The irony is that a society without fathers or with fathers who can’t fulfill their role as a male role model (even a worse one) becomes more violent not less (Alexander Mitscherlich).
    Case in point, the female-headed households of ghetto culture, the violent “honor culture” that the males create to counter it, and the peace and security of present-day Chicago.

    Excatly. The more you try to make a boy into a girl the more the boy will do anything and everything to prove he isn’t all the way to violence (especially if there isn’t a father in the picture!).


  156. Lily
    158 | February 5, 2013 1:45 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    The feminization of men
    Rush has been talking about this since I began listening to him. And that was in the late 80′s.

    That’s because that is when it started happening.


  157. RIX
    159 | February 5, 2013 1:52 pm

    Excatly! And it doesn’t help you have a weak GOP, a weak supreme court and a weak congress! Who the heck will stand up to this rogue president???? Apparently no one and that is the sad part.
    @ Lily:

    Obama just ignores the Congress & any law that gets in his way.
    If he could, he would recsind the Constitution & have Valarie Jarret
    write a new one.


  158. RIX
    160 | February 5, 2013 1:58 pm

    Are you serious??? They realized black balloons and a sing-a-long outside of the court house? What about all the dead in Chicago or the flash-mobs that are happening in NYC???
    Unbelievable.
    @ Lily:

    It sounds like fiction, but it’s true.


  159. buzzsawmonkey
    161 | February 5, 2013 2:06 pm

    RIX wrote:

    a sing-a-long outside of the court house?

    Trayvon, it’s a crazy feelin’ and I
    Wish that you were still here dealin’
    What you sold, I loved it, Trayvon

    —Stick, Stem, and Bud-dy Holly


  160. RIX
    162 | February 5, 2013 2:11 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    a sing-a-long outside of the court house?

    Trayvon, it’s a crazy feelin’ and I
    Wish that you were still here dealin’
    What you sold, I loved it, Trayvon

    —Stick, Stem, and Bud-dy Holly

    Maybe Trayvons birthday will become a federal holiday.


  161. Lily
    163 | February 5, 2013 2:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Excatly! And it doesn’t help you have a weak GOP, a weak supreme court and a weak congress! Who the heck will stand up to this rogue president???? Apparently no one and that is the sad part.
    @ Lily:
    Obama just ignores the Congress & any law that gets in his way.
    If he could, he would recsind the Constitution & have Valarie Jarret
    write a new one.

    So true!!!


  162. Lily
    164 | February 5, 2013 2:12 pm

    RIX wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    a sing-a-long outside of the court house?
    Trayvon, it’s a crazy feelin’ and I
    Wish that you were still here dealin’
    What you sold, I loved it, Trayvon
    —Stick, Stem, and Bud-dy Holly
    Maybe Trayvons birthday will become a federal holiday.

    Oh dear heavens!


  163. Guggi
    165 | February 5, 2013 2:31 pm

    More and more O. reminds me of the plebeian tribunes of the late Roman republic like Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus and his brother Gaius or Lucius Appuleius Saturninus and Marcus Livius Drusus. They all tried to circumvent the Senate by populism and a “popular vote” to reach their goals to alter the republic.


  164. RIX
    166 | February 5, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ Lily:
    Can’t youn hear it, “Hey Bob, any plans for Trayvon’s Birthday?”


  165. citizen_q
    167 | February 5, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ Lily:
    Shop keepers should be armed, and flash mob robbery participants should be treated like looters after a disaster.

    It would be ugly at first, but I bet the fad would taper off.

    In New York and across the country, the mobs of kids – 20, 30, 40 or more — appear out of nowhere and suddenly charge a newsstand or convenience store.

    Perfect example for need for high capacity magazines.


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