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The Tyranny Of Rights Based On Needs

by Flyovercountry ( 276 Comments › )
Filed under Liberal Fascism, Politics, Second Amendment at February 6th, 2013 - 2:00 pm

Political Cartoons by Steve Kelley

The ongoing debate over our Second Amendment has continued to rage on from the days of Woodrow Wilson until now. The goal of the political left has been to effect a complete repeal of that Amendment, regardless of their claims that, “nobody wants to take your guns away.” Dismissive attitudes being substituted for substantive debate not withstanding, there are some supremely dangerous concepts being included in this national dialogue emanating from our esteemed opponents who reside on the left side of the aisle.

One of the recurring themes I’ve heard over and over again, is that we do not need more than x number of bullets in an magazine. We do not need certain weapons to kill a dear. We do not need more than a handgun for instance to protect our homes. My objection is to the word, “need.” Make no mistake about it, this concept of what we need being determined for us, while it may sound reasonable to some, and even articulated professionally, is perhaps the single most evil argument that has been proffered, and this is true whether the person offering this point realizes the evil being committed or not.

One of the founding principles of our nation was this. Our rights, while recognized by the Constitution, are given to us as a matter of being born human. They are not granted to us by a benevolent government, but by our creator. Those governments that do not recognize these rights are acting in bad faith against their fellow man, and are usurpers of the natural rights all men, who are born with the inalienable right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. They are certainly not based on what a third party has deemed us to need.

There are several dangers associated with the concept of a central government determining what our needs are, and then taking it upon themselves to tell us what those needs are and limiting us to that. I strongly suggest that who ever reads this essay go ahead and click the link. What my friend Buzzsawmonkey so articulately describes is that once our sovereignty is traded for the bag full of goodies that our ruling elites have so benevolently promised to provide us as our needs, all pretense will be dropped, and we will have neither our sovereignty nor that which was promised. Our cost will be our freedom, and any ability to do anything about it.

Another danger is that the debate has subtly changed, and the premise that anyone has the authority to describe our lives in terms of what they tell us our needs are has become accepted by far too many Americans. Individual property rights, as defined in our founding document, are the rights of all Americans to keep what ever they create, irrespective of what they need. We, simply because we want to, get to keep what we carve our for ourselves. I can not identify a single passage in the U.S. Constitution that says where a central planner can determine that our property rights end where that central planner believes we have accumulated sufficiently to satisfy our needs. In terms of the Second Amendment debate, our right to bear arms certainly was not based on what any future government would determine what our needs were, in fact the opposite is true. Our Second Amendment is based on what any government who was in charge would hopefully fear us having.

The following is a debate between piers Morgan, and the only one arguing our position that actually managed to articulately state all of the points that should have been made. Fitting that once again, it happened to be Newt Gingrich who gets it right. I have seen about a half dozen of these debates featuring Morgan, and a half dozen others, and no one hits the exact heart of the matter, except for Speaker Gingrich. Our right to bear arms was not based on hunting, target shooting, skeet shooting, our ability to shoot home intruders, or to even see us better able to protect ourselves. The entire purpose for the Second Amendment was so that those who were in charge of our government would be afraid of the citizens that they governed.

I do not wish to label all people who want a gun free America as evil. I have no doubt that there are many who wish the Second Amendment did not exist are truly genuine with the concern that they feel. Sincerity is not the issue. What is the issue here is the dishonesty with which the debate is being held. Piecemeal abridgments of our Constitutional Rights are wrong, no matter how much the offending party believes that their concern for our well being supersedes our own right to choose for ourselves.

There are ways however that our Constitution can be changed honestly. Our Constitution has within its text, two separate methods by which it can be changed. As evidence of this being possible to accomplish, both methods have been used to combine for a total to date of 17 such changes since the document became our supreme law. That translates to one change in our Constitution for every 13.5 years that we have been a nation. For those who wish to repeal the Second Amendment, all you need do is convince roughly three quarters of all Americans that they should follow along, and the right to bear arms will be a thing of the past. Just remember when you do it, should you be successful, Barack Obama will not be President forever. Your trust placed in the government may not be quite so deserved by the government that is in power in say a decade, two decades, a century, or even four years from now. I can remember hearing a lot of hand wringing about how evil and stupid George W. Bush was only a short time ago. The same imperial powers granted to the current group would transfer automatically to the next group, whether you like them or not.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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276 Responses to “The Tyranny Of Rights Based On Needs”
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  1. heysoos
    1 | February 6, 2013 2:15 pm

    one for you and two for me…
    one for you and three for me


  2. Da_Beerfreak
    2 | February 6, 2013 2:19 pm

    The Liberal State doesn’t recognize God.
    Therefore, to the Liberal State there are no God given Rights.
    We who believe in God are a danger to the godless Liberal State.
    This is viewed as an unacceptable risk that the Liberal State must eliminate.

    This is only one of the many why reasons the Liberal State has been at war with God and those who follow Him.


  3. heysoos
    3 | February 6, 2013 2:23 pm

    frankly I don’t care where the rights came from…the state can’t make you godless…


  4. heysoos
    4 | February 6, 2013 2:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    one for you and two for me…
    one for you and three for me

    a fine example…
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/panetta-to-propose-military-pay-cut-after-obama-raised-federal-officials-pay/article/2520741


  5. Da_Beerfreak
    5 | February 6, 2013 2:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    frankly I don’t care where the rights came from…the state can’t make you godless…

    If it wasn’t for the government wanting to play god; no one would ever have to worry about where our rights come from.


  6. 6 | February 6, 2013 2:29 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    @ heysoos:

    Oddly enough, Penn and Teller are two of the most staunch advocates for original interpretation of the Constitution that I’ve heard, and they are both Atheists. Even if you do not believe in God, it is still possible to realize that our Rights as Human beings come from our being born human, and not from the benevolence of some ruling elite class.

    Our founding fathers were religious fellows to be sure, but they recognized that 1, they were not perfect, and 2, not everyone believed in the same things. Their point was that our freedoms are inherent to our nature, and not some gift from a fellow man.


  7. heysoos
    7 | February 6, 2013 2:36 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    @ heysoos:
    Oddly enough, Penn and Teller are two of the most staunch advocates for original interpretation of the Constitution that I’ve heard, and they are both Atheists. Even if you do not believe in God, it is still possible to realize that our Rights as Human beings come from our being born human, and not from the benevolence of some ruling elite class.
    Our founding fathers were religious fellows to be sure, but they recognized that 1, they were not perfect, and 2, not everyone believed in the same things. Their point was that our freedoms are inherent to our nature, and not some gift from a fellow man.

    nicely stated…it’s pretty cut and dried to me


  8. 8 | February 6, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Well said.


  9. buzzsawmonkey
    9 | February 6, 2013 2:46 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Oddly enough, Penn and Teller are two of the most staunch advocates for original interpretation of the Constitution that I’ve heard, and they are both Atheists. Even if you do not believe in God, it is still possible to realize that our Rights as Human beings come from our being born human, and not from the benevolence of some ruling elite class.

    I would suggest that Penn and Teller are genuine atheists, whereas many of those who style themselves “atheists” are actually idolators of the State, of Power, or of the phallus.

    /and, thanks for the link/recommendation above!


  10. 10 | February 6, 2013 2:47 pm

    In other news, my Gander Mountain annual shooting and Firearms Sale flyer cam in the mail today. Well, I almost pissed my pants! But before running across town to my local store, I thought I would check on some things listed as “online.” Not a damned one of them was actually available. I decided to pass on driving clear across town for the bargains I’m sure they don’t have, either.


  11. Da_Beerfreak
    11 | February 6, 2013 2:49 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Some Folks use the term ‘Natural Rights’ while others are more comfortable with ‘God given Rights’. I use both terms as I see little difference between the two.


  12. RIX
    12 | February 6, 2013 2:49 pm

    One of the really silly anti gun arguments is “You don’t need a weapon like that
    to hunt.”
    The Second Amendment never mentions hunting, that’s not the point.


  13. 13 | February 6, 2013 2:51 pm

    once our sovereignty is traded for the bag full of goodies that our ruling elites have so benevolently promised to provide us as our needs, all pretense will be dropped, and we will have neither our sovereignty nor that which was promised. Our cost will be our freedom, and any ability to do anything about it.

    One of the reasons I am such a Second Amendment absolutist is because of this. Once you are disarmed, there is precious little you can do if an illigitimate government sets its military on the helpless citizens. Witness Stalinist USSR, for example, where mass arrests were common, as was torture and arbitrary execution. Once that right is gone, as it is gone in so much of the world, there i sno getting it back from the hands of a rapacious government.


  14. eaglesoars
    14 | February 6, 2013 2:56 pm

    There is a gun rights rally in Anapolis MD today. They were expecting about 3000 people. Someone who was actually on-site called into Chris Plante’s radio show and said the parking lot at the stadium was already full and he was guessing the crowd would be around 10k.

    And O’Malley thinks he’s going to run for president?


  15. Da_Beerfreak
    15 | February 6, 2013 2:58 pm

    Ben Franklin summed it up nicely when he warned us that those who give up Liberty for Security deserve neither.

    And History has proven that old Ben was right.


  16. Da_Beerfreak
    16 | February 6, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’m with you 110% on that and I don’t give a flying phuch if someone wants to call my standing firm on the Second Amendment a “purity test”.


  17. citizen_q
    17 | February 6, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    I stopped by my “local” Bass Pro Shop last weekend. The cupboards were bare. The cases with handguns was nearly empty. They ad a couple of Kimber 1911s and black powder revolvers. Lots of empty space in the long gun racks. Same with ammo. They only had some shotgun ammo with birdshot, and very expensive center fire ammo in calibers other than .223, or .308. $30 to $50 for a box of 20 stuff. I did not see any handgun ammo, though I was not specifically looking for it. The only .22LR ammo they had were a few lonely boxes of birdshot rounds.


  18. 18 | February 6, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Some things are non-negiotiable. I feel the same way about gun control that I do segregation. Support for either guarantees that I won’t support you. Nowadays it is not socially acceptible for someone to be pro-segregation. I hope that in forty years, it will be equally socially unacceptible to be pro-gun control.


  19. 19 | February 6, 2013 3:06 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hey, if you don’t mind, please give the admins permission to pass your email of to me, or vice versa. I have something that I’d like to discuss. Not terrible in nature to be certain, but not for the megaphone of a public board either.


  20. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | February 6, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    How do I do that? I can never find a “contact” link here.


  21. 21 | February 6, 2013 3:10 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Just as a thought, there are air bladder rifles out there firing a variety of air powered projectiles. Plenty of ammo, and useful for the same reasons as weapons that utilize gun powder.


  22. heysoos
    22 | February 6, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    never knew about that gun til I read Stephen Ambrose account of the expedition…the damn thing worked like a dream


  23. eaglesoars
    23 | February 6, 2013 3:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:

    How do I do that? I can never find a “contact” link here.

    blogmocracy@gmail.com


  24. 24 | February 6, 2013 3:13 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’ll forward an email giving permission to the blog Gods, hopefully, that’ll work. It’ll give you mine, drop me a line, and we’ll chat quickly.


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    25 | February 6, 2013 3:14 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Never mind; found it.


  26. 26 | February 6, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Look at what is being proposed in California.

    Own a gun? Time to buy violence liability insurance, California Democrats say


  27. lobo91
    27 | February 6, 2013 3:15 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    In other news, my Gander Mountain annual shooting and Firearms Sale flyer cam in the mail today. Well, I almost pissed my pants! But before running across town to my local store, I thought I would check on some things listed as “online.” Not a damned one of them was actually available. I decided to pass on driving clear across town for the bargains I’m sure they don’t have, either.

    When I was flipping through the most recent issue of my NRA magazine, I noticed an ad from Cheaper Than Dirt near the front. As soon as I saw it, I thought, “Boy, I’ll bet they wish they hadn’t run that ad now,” since everything in it was probably out of stock.


  28. eaglesoars
    28 | February 6, 2013 3:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Look at what is being proposed in California.

    I caught that. Also, I forget which state -- oh, Colorado -- (lobo91 is probably apoplectic) -- there’s a proposal to hold gun MANUFACTURERS liable for damages caused by a gun.

    Next up -- PETA lobbies for rights of animals who are hunted to sue the manufacturers for their deaths. All monies assigned to animal rights groups.

    /I don’t know if I’m joking or not


  29. lobo91
    29 | February 6, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Witness Stalinist USSR, for example, where mass arrests were common, as was torture and arbitrary execution.

    And of course our current administration has just granted itself the right to assassinate any US citizen it chooses.

    Coincidence?


  30. heysoos
    30 | February 6, 2013 3:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Look at what is being proposed in California.
    Own a gun? Time to buy violence liability insurance, California Democrats say

    think of the possibilities…
    I know you have


  31. lobo91
    31 | February 6, 2013 3:21 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Also, I forget which state — oh, Colorado — (lobo91 is probably apoplectic) — there’s a proposal to hold gun MANUFACTURERS liable for damages caused by a gun.

    The Dems are planning to introduce a whole raft of crap today. That was just part of it.

    They want to change the concealed carry permit training requirements, too. And of course they want 10 round magazines.


  32. 32 | February 6, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    PETA has already made noise about the NRA being responsible for animal genocide. I am not joking.


  33. 33 | February 6, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Its just unreal!


  34. citizen_q
    34 | February 6, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Interesting article. Am watching it now. I had heard about this rifle, but not seen much of it.


  35. eaglesoars
    35 | February 6, 2013 3:24 pm

    WHOA!!

    Crowd packs heat; Oak Harbor backs down

    It’s been three weeks since an Oak Harbor city councilmember started a national controversy by trying to kick out a wounded Army veteran who was legally carrying a weapon during a council meeting.
    Councilmember Rick Almberg then walked out.

    The council was met by 160 people Tuesday night, many who were packing heat.

    There were handguns in holsters and rifles slung over shoulders and an unknown number of people concealing their weapons as the Oak Harbor City Council met. Many attended the meeting to show support for veteran Lucas Yonkman who Councilmember Almberg tried to have kicked out of City Hall last month, including Joe Hawkins who openly mocked him. “Mr. Almberg I just want you to know that I have a concealed ham sandwich right here I don’t want you to get up and walk away,” he chuckled.
    [ ]
    William Frail had an M-1 rifle on his shoulder as he testified. “Sir, my mother was Jew,” he said. “My family went to the chambers. I will not go into the night quietly while these two ask me to board the train.”
    [ ]
    The city council eventually voted to overturn the ban, which the interim city attorney had told the members was unconstitutional

    h/t instapundit


  36. 37 | February 6, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I saw that. California is hosed, anyway. I wouldn’t move to California for love nor money. I know, because that’s where my wife is from, and when it came time for one of us to move, there was never any question about my moving to Silly Valley.


  37. eaglesoars
    38 | February 6, 2013 3:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    PETA has already made noise about the NRA being responsible for animal genocide

    Anybody gives me crap about that I start talking about wind turbines killing thousands upon thousands of birds.

    They shut up.


  38. heysoos
    39 | February 6, 2013 3:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Another element of the plan:
    Dem Rep. Maxine Waters: Thanks To Obama, Future Dem Candidates Will Have Access To “Very Powerful” Database That Has “Information About Everything On Every Individual”…

    creating a police state out of thin air


  39. 40 | February 6, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Be careful dissing California! :wink:

    :lol:


  40. 41 | February 6, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Funny how they are OK with that.


  41. heysoos
    42 | February 6, 2013 3:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Another element of the plan:
    Dem Rep. Maxine Waters: Thanks To Obama, Future Dem Candidates Will Have Access To “Very Powerful” Database That Has “Information About Everything On Every Individual”…

    and for those that don’t believe this is technically possible, they are quite naive


  42. Da_Beerfreak
    43 | February 6, 2013 3:30 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Look at what is being proposed in California.

    I caught that. Also, I forget which state — oh, Colorado — (lobo91 is probably apoplectic) — there’s a proposal to hold gun MANUFACTURERS liable for damages caused by a gun.

    Next up — PETA lobbies for rights of animals who are hunted to sue the manufacturers for their deaths. All monies assigned to animal rights groups.

    /I don’t know if I’m joking or not

    A few years back there was a proposed Amendment to the State Constitution to make Hunting and Fishing a Right protected by the State. PETA came out in full force in an attempt to defeat this evil amendment from passing. For all their effort and money spent they failed to prevent the Hunting and Fishing from passing and their obnoxious antics were a great help in getting Jesse Venture Governor elected that year.


  43. lobo91
    44 | February 6, 2013 3:32 pm

    For every Bruce Willis, there are at least 5 celebrities on the other side:

    Tony Bennett: Without Gun Control U.S. Will Turn Into Nazi Germany And “The World Is Going To Take Care Of Us In A Bad Way”…


  44. heysoos
    45 | February 6, 2013 3:34 pm

    there is a collective insanity stalking about…reason and logic are dead


  45. darkwords
    47 | February 6, 2013 3:36 pm

    Gingrich nails it. I think he stated the case as well as possible.


  46. 48 | February 6, 2013 3:38 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Celebrities aren’t generally very bright people. They are very lucky people to have gotten where they are, but not very bright.


  47. 49 | February 6, 2013 3:38 pm

    @ lobo91:

    What are the chances of it passing?


  48. darkwords
    50 | February 6, 2013 3:39 pm

    @ 46 lobo91: let’s hold those dems then liable for any death they haven’t legislated proper safety for. Like deaths via HFC/Diabetes. n scenarios like that the Dems kill more people per year than any other cause. But the country has to have complete state control to get what they want.


  49. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | February 6, 2013 3:39 pm

    Gingrich does less well against Piers than he should. He does touch on the “need” issue—but he lets Piers get away with the “100 bullets a minute” on a semiautomatic rifle. I supposed it’s possible—someone here, I’m sure, will set me straight on that—but it seems like hyperbole to me to suggest that anyone can pull a trigger 100 times in 60 seconds. In any event, whether that is true or not, Gingrich should have hit back at Piers on the “need” issue there.

    As to the machinegun issue, it would have been nice if Newt had said that the machinegun ban was basically an early example of the same hysteria that we are seeing now; that the murder rate in Al Capone’s time was a fraction of what it is today, with machineguns long banned yet with machineguns in the hands of criminals.


  50. citizen_q
    52 | February 6, 2013 3:39 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Last time I looked a Cheaper Than Dirt, the were selling 30 Rnd AR PMAGS for $99.99 that I have purchased in November at a Gun Show in VA for $14.

    Supply and demand I guess.


  51. heysoos
    53 | February 6, 2013 3:39 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    What are the chances of it passing?

    zero would be my guess


  52. lobo91
    54 | February 6, 2013 3:40 pm

    Colorado Democrat apparently believes Spiderman dialog is legally binding:

    Colorado Senate President John Morse, D-Colorado Springs, who is sponsoring the liability legislation, acknowledged the federal ban on suits against gun makers and sellers, but he said there’s some interest in Congress in repealing that law.

    Moreover, Morse said some people argue the federal ban was overreaching and violates states’ rights.

    “Some weapons are designed with enough power to kill a lot of people quickly,” Morse said. “And I believe that with great power comes great responsibility.”


  53. darkwords
    55 | February 6, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ 39 heysoos: The new info age needs new privacy laws.


  54. eaglesoars
    56 | February 6, 2013 3:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Another element of the plan:

    Dem Rep. Maxine Waters: Thanks To Obama, Future Dem Candidates Will Have Access To “Very Powerful” Database That Has “Information About Everything On Every Individual”…

    Another moron with the face she deserves.

    I’m beginning to root for Anonymous……….


  55. heysoos
    57 | February 6, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    it’s true…a semi is nearly as fast as full auto with an AR15


  56. lobo91
    58 | February 6, 2013 3:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    What are the chances of it passing?

    I have no idea. The Dems control everything in Colorado now, but they’re not all far-left nuts.


  57. citizen_q
    59 | February 6, 2013 3:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    For every Bruce Willis, there are at least 5 celebrities on the other side:
    Tony Bennett: Without Gun Control U.S. Will Turn Into Nazi Germany And “The World Is Going To Take Care Of Us In A Bad Way”…

    What an ignorant fool. He needs a history book, if he can read.


  58. lobo91
    60 | February 6, 2013 3:44 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    it’s true…a semi is nearly as fast as full auto with an AR15

    If you mount one of those 100 round drums on an AR-15 and try to empty the entire thing in 1 minute, it’s going to jam. Those things don’t feed that well.

    That’s what happened to the guy in Aurora.


  59. lobo91
    61 | February 6, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    it seems like hyperbole to me to suggest that anyone can pull a trigger 100 times in 60 seconds.

    You probably can, but not while actually hitting anything.

    And it would require the use of an oversized magazine, which will probably jam.


  60. eaglesoars
    62 | February 6, 2013 3:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    it’s going to jam.

    quick question: would it not also become literally too hot to handle?


  61. heysoos
    63 | February 6, 2013 3:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    it’s true…a semi is nearly as fast as full auto with an AR15
    If you mount one of those 100 round drums on an AR-15 and try to empty the entire thing in 1 minute, it’s going to jam. Those things don’t feed that well.
    That’s what happened to the guy in Aurora.

    not denying the mechanics of drum or mag failure, but you can pull trigger mighty fast…not the same as a Mach 10 or Uzi but enough to freak people out


  62. 64 | February 6, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    True, but Gingrich is also the only one who shot Morgan down at all for bringing up the, “what we need,” meme. I watched Ben Shapiro, Ted Nugent, Wayne LaPiere, and a host of others just let that one sail on by. Gingrich was one of two people with the courage to suggest that the purpose of the Second was to insure that our government feared us more than we feared them. He did stumble a little, but give Morgan credit for not being a cardboard cut out. He has his act, as much as we may despise it, pretty well polished.


  63. lobo91
    65 | February 6, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    What an ignorant fool. He needs a history book, if he can read.

    He’s 86 years old. He was actually alive during the Nazi era.

    He shouldn’t need to read about it.


  64. Da_Beerfreak
    66 | February 6, 2013 3:48 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 39 heysoos: The new info age needs new privacy laws.

    Check this story out. Once in a great while the EU gets something right.
    US diplomat: If EU allows ‘right to be forgotten’ … it might spark TRADE WAR

    US diplomat warns of “trade war” if “right to be forgotten” proposals in Europe are followed through.

    The introduction of planned changes to EU data protection laws could herald a trans-Atlantic “trade war”, a US diplomat has warned.

    John Rodgers, economic Officer in the US Foreign Service, said that “things could really explode” if proposals that would provide individuals with a qualified ‘right to be forgotten’ are backed within the EU.

    “We have a right to privacy in our Constitution, but this does not mean a fundamental right to data protection,” Rodgers said at a conference in Berlin, according to a report by German publication Heise Online.

    In January last year the European Commission unveiled proposals to reform EU data protection laws by introducing a draft General Data Protection Regulation. If enforced, it would introduce a single data protection law across all 27 EU member states, whilst companies that process personal data of EU citizens from outside the borders of the trading bloc, including in the US, would also be subject to the rules…

    All our Rights are under attack. The Forth Amendment is just as important as the Second.


  65. 67 | February 6, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Gun Control would lead to a Nazi like regime.


  66. 68 | February 6, 2013 3:50 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Depends on the gun. Remember the heat problems we had with the M-4s at Reaganite’s party? Even there we weren’t firing off 100 rounds in 60 seconds, and those were fully-automatic (well, 3-round burst) weapons. You’d basically need something that fed from a belt to really do 100 rounds a minute. The cyclic rate of fire on machineguns is usually around 600-700 rounds a minute (with some oing as high as 1200), but the practical rate of fire is much less.


  67. lobo91
    69 | February 6, 2013 3:50 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    it’s going to jam.
    quick question: would it not also become literally too hot to handle?

    An AR-15 wouldn’t become too hot to handle, because the handguards have a built-in heat shield for just that reason.

    But it will heat up internally, further increasing the chance of a malfunction.

    A full auto M-16 will fire at a cyclic rate of around 800 rounds per minute. That doesn’t mean it can actually fire 800 rounds in that 60 second period, though. Magazine capacity aside, it would become way too hot pretty quickly.


  68. heysoos
    70 | February 6, 2013 3:51 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    trust the feds and they reward you with abuse and deceit


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | February 6, 2013 3:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Gun Control would lead to a Nazi like regime.

    “I am so there.”
    —Barack Obama


  70. lobo91
    72 | February 6, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Even the M-249, which is belt-fed, can only fire 200 rounds per minute or so for any length of time without overheating.


  71. eaglesoars
    73 | February 6, 2013 3:54 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Depends on the gun. Remember the heat problems we had with the M-4s at Reaganite’s party?

    yeppers. That’s why I asked.

    @ lobo91:

    got it, thanks


  72. heysoos
    74 | February 6, 2013 3:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Even the M-249, which is belt-fed, can only fire 200 rounds per minute or so for any length of time without overheating.

    that’s why you need one in each hand


  73. Buckeye Abroad
    75 | February 6, 2013 3:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Gun Control would lead to a Nazi like regime.

    We’re half way there now.

    Thanks for embedding the vid with Pierce and Newt. First time I got to watch it. Ironic a Brit is arguing for gun control in America and glad Gringrich picked up on it.


  74. lobo91
    76 | February 6, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    People always fixate on the cyclic rate of fire which is just the theoretical rate at which it could fire over a 60 second period. That rarely means that it can actually fire that many shots.

    Look at the M-61 Vulcan 20mm gatling gun mounted in the F-15. It has a cyclic rate of fire of 6,000 rounds per minute. The plane only carries 940 rounds, though. That means it has less than 10 seconds’ worth of ammo.


  75. heysoos
    77 | February 6, 2013 4:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    People always fixate on the cyclic rate of fire which is just the theoretical rate at which it could fire over a 60 second period. That rarely means that it can actually fire that many shots.
    Look at the M-61 Vulcan 20mm gatling gun mounted in the F-15. It has a cyclic rate of fire of 6,000 rounds per minute. The plane only carries 940 rounds, though. That means it has less than 10 seconds’ worth of ammo.

    with cannon fire you only need one hit to ruin somebody’s day


  76. lobo91
  77. 79 | February 6, 2013 4:02 pm

    The silver lining will show up in a few years. Heard a report that those 50 and 60 are losing ground economically, which I know to be true, just look for work if you are over 55. So Obamacare and all his policies are destroying the middle class, slowly but inexorably.

    Now the thing that will happen is people will pull back on what they spend their money on, just think of eating out, I do that rarely now. A breakfast for one at Denny’s is about 15 dollars! Feel sorry for the restaurant owners, many will be forced to close. But ultimately this will hit Hollywood the hardest.

    Already my one escape (going to the movies) is at an end. First the movies suck, rarely do they make anything beyond zombie and vampire movies, or those horrible full length cartoons. Here in Phoenix a movie is 10 dollars, a popcorn and soda is another 10 dollars. So these loudmouth hypocritical stars incomes are going to be affected, I think enough so they will begin to feel the ever smaller income from movies, or standup, or any expression where they have been free to bash conservatives


  78. heysoos
    80 | February 6, 2013 4:04 pm

    airplane gunnery always amazes me…the old footage, watching ME’s walk their fire right along a bombers wing…a short burst to the outboard engine, short burst to the inboard engine then peel off


  79. lobo91
    81 | February 6, 2013 4:04 pm

    @ heysoos:

    with cannon fire you only need one hit to ruin somebody’s day

    And the reailty of modern aerial gunnery is that you’re lucky to get more than one or two hits out of all that ammo. They basically put a wall of projectiles in the path of the target and hope that it runs into a few of them.


  80. heysoos
    82 | February 6, 2013 4:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    with cannon fire you only need one hit to ruin somebody’s day
    And the reailty of modern aerial gunnery is that you’re lucky to get more than one or two hits out of all that ammo. They basically put a wall of projectiles in the path of the target and hope that it runs into a few of them.

    pretty much how Wildcats shot down Zero’s…come down from above and spray them with a short burst or two…a few rounds and the Zero fell apart


  81. heysoos
    83 | February 6, 2013 4:12 pm

    the Zero was so fast and nimble that a Wildcat could not outfight them in a tail end chase…but Navy pilots were so good they could predict where the Zero was going to go, they’d set them up in pairs…sooner or later the Zero would fly right across or into your guns…splash


  82. 84 | February 6, 2013 4:12 pm

    Just like a high tide lifts all boats, so a low tide brings em all down. Liberals have seemed to be immune from their own decisions, but I think that is coming to an end. I know some of the young people are starting to find out how much Obamacare is actually going to cost, and they are waking up. Also this attack on the second amendment could not have awakened more people at once to the actual danger we are facing.

    And now that drone decision, even liberals are admitting if this happened under Bush the outrage would have prompted marches in the streets. Plus just about certain the ME will explode within a year, all this bullshit of the Arab Spring will be seen for what it is: delusional wish-casting by Obama and co. At some point the sheer weight of reality will break the scaffolding that the palace guard (MSM) has erected around Obama’s house of cards.


  83. lobo91
    85 | February 6, 2013 4:15 pm

    When it comes to rifles firing uncontrolled full-auto, there really is no “need” for it. That’s why current models of the M-16/M-4 fire 3 round bursts. The only thing you really need an extended burst of automatic fire for in ground combat is suppressive fire, which is what they make light machine guns for.


  84. heysoos
    86 | February 6, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ Jehu:
    as far as I’m concerned, liberals are more of a threat to themselves than anyone else….no species as stupid as a liberal can survive reality


  85. lobo91
  86. 88 | February 6, 2013 4:24 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And even that 3-round burst takes training to be worthwhile. Otherwise, the second and third round are just drilling holes in the air. Personally, I have to be careful as to what I’m doing to have any chance of hitting anything one round at a time.


  87. 89 | February 6, 2013 4:25 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    Has not worked in their country.


  88. 90 | February 6, 2013 4:25 pm

    @ Jehu:

    I hope you are right because nothing hurts Obama.


  89. Da_Beerfreak
    91 | February 6, 2013 4:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Obama’s Pick To Be New Interior Secretary A Hardcore Global Warming Fanatic…

    What a surprise…

    It’s a sure bet that anyone Obama nominates for any job will be bad for America.


  90. buzzsawmonkey
    92 | February 6, 2013 4:31 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    It’s a sure bet that anyone Obama nominates for any job will be bad for America.

    And that John McCain will vote to confirm them. Maverick!


  91. taxfreekiller
    93 | February 6, 2013 4:33 pm

    Just to keep your blood pressure up.

    I have posted prior on the fraud going on re: high pressure gas pipe line welders. The use of illegals at very low wages to weld, the use of fake Union Job Time, the use of fake ID’s, the coyotes operating the work sites to contol the slaves and the payment of the crossing ect.

    Now even worse. (pay equivalent to $2.66 per hour)

    Best of all the company gets “Obama Clean Energy Dollars” picked from our pockets.

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2013/02/06/silicon-valley-company-busted-for-paying-workers-in-mexican-pesos/#ixzz2K966ZAMn

    Think it through, $2.66 per hour.
    Think of the prior slaves in the south.
    They got room and board and it just could be they were better paid compared to this crime in California today.)

    spit

    Corupt Crime Family Of A Two Party Evil Money Cult In Washington D.C..


  92. 95 | February 6, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ lobo91:

    She’s been breaking with the Left in recent times


  93. RIX
    96 | February 6, 2013 4:44 pm

    kirsten powers ✔ @kirstenpowers10

    Speechless RT @jeremyscahill: “Leon is a conscientious guy. He goes to church every day”--Chris Matthews on Panetta re drone strikes.
    10:26 PM -- 05 Feb 13
    @ lobo91:


  94. brookly red
    97 | February 6, 2013 4:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    She’s been breaking with the Left in recent times

    could working for Fox have something to do with that or do you think a sincere awakening ?


  95. eaglesoars
    98 | February 6, 2013 4:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    a sincere awakening ?

    she’s never been a drone, but there are times she says something that is so stupid my brain freezes.

    But I’ll say this for her -- not a malicious bone in her body


  96. heysoos
    99 | February 6, 2013 4:49 pm

    which one was Kirstin?…I liked the feisty little blonde on the right


  97. 100 | February 6, 2013 4:53 pm

    @ brookly red:

    She was never far Left. Now that the election is over and Obama is now politically invincible, The Democrats are showing their true Marxist colors. Powers is now seeing what their real intentions are and she does not like it.


  98. lobo91
    101 | February 6, 2013 4:54 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    which one was Kirstin?…I liked the feisty little blonde on the right

    She’s the one on the right where they showed all 3 of them at once.

    Monica Crowley was at screen left.


  99. 102 | February 6, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    She’s a standard Center-Left Moderate Liberal. She’s not a Totaliatrain Far Left Progressive like Obama. She’s just naive about things, where as Obama is cold and calculating.


  100. heysoos
    103 | February 6, 2013 4:56 pm

    @ lobo91:
    got it, thanks…
    she seemed sensible enough


  101. lobo91
    104 | February 6, 2013 4:57 pm

    The most amazing part of this controversy is that the same Democrats who have no problem with Obama unilaterally deciding to assassinate US citizens scream bloody murder if we make some guy from Yemen, who’s never set foot in the US, listen to loud music.


  102. eaglesoars
    105 | February 6, 2013 4:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    She’s a standard Center-Left Moderate Liberal. She’s not a Totaliatrain Far Left Progressive like Obama.

    Yes. And she never bought the Arab Spring crap. Her husband is Egyptian Copt, he still has family there, and she knows the deal.


  103. brookly red
    106 | February 6, 2013 4:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    She was never far Left. Now that the election is over and Obama is now politically invincible, The Democrats are showing their true Marxist colors. Powers is now seeing what their real intentions are and she does not like it.

    you know I have been thinking, libs in general are vicious, spiteful people. Having said that now that they see the light this drone thing or something like it could just get him impeached by the left wouldn’t that be something…


  104. 107 | February 6, 2013 4:59 pm

    @ brookly red:

    The Left will not turn on Obama. He is their god-king and they literally would die for him.


  105. heysoos
    108 | February 6, 2013 4:59 pm

    drone me baby
    drone me baby
    all night long


  106. 109 | February 6, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yup, she’s a nice person and someone you would not mind having a neighbor.


  107. eaglesoars
    110 | February 6, 2013 5:01 pm

    What on earth? Dana Perino is laughing so hard about something Greg Gutfield had to do the piece.


  108. The Osprey
    111 | February 6, 2013 5:01 pm

    ylobo91 wrote:

    For every Bruce Willis, there are at least 5 celebrities on the other side:
    Tony Bennett: Without Gun Control U.S. Will Turn Into Nazi Germany And “The World Is Going To Take Care Of Us In A Bad Way”…

    He left his sanity in San Francisco.


  109. RIX
    112 | February 6, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ Rodan:
    All Liberals on FNC are not created equal.
    Kirsten Powers is a pretty woman who is respectful even when I don’t
    agree with her.
    On the other hand, Bob Beckel Is a foul mouthed , unsightly buffoon.
    He substitutes insults for reasoning.
    Colmbs & Juan Williams bring nothing to the party.


  110. brookly red
    113 | February 6, 2013 5:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    The Left will not turn on Obama. He is their god-king and they literally would die for him.

    some would for sure… others not so much.


  111. 114 | February 6, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ RIX:

    If the Democrat party was like Kristen Powers, this nation would be better off.


  112. heysoos
    115 | February 6, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ RIX:
    foul mouthed, unsightly baffoons is the new pink…get used to it


  113. lobo91
    116 | February 6, 2013 5:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    If I were that judge, I would have smacked her.


  114. lobo91
    117 | February 6, 2013 5:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    If I were that judge, I would have smacked her.

    And Greg Gutfeld just stole my idea.


  115. brookly red
    118 | February 6, 2013 5:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    foul mouthed, unsightly baffoons is the new pink…get used to it

    I just had the most awful vision of Christie in pink Speedos… on the boardwalk in AC… eating funnel cake.

    I am going to start drinking now.


  116. The Osprey
    119 | February 6, 2013 5:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Domestic Left-Wing Terrorist Pleads Guilty To Attacking Christian Lobbying Group, Says He Planned To Smear Chick-Fil-A Sandwiches On Victims Faces…
    “Nobody needs a dozen chicken sandwiches to kill a deer!”
    //

    “Nobody needs” more than 10 chicken nuggets.


  117. heysoos
    120 | February 6, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Pink


  118. eaglesoars
    121 | February 6, 2013 5:07 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Colmbs & Juan Williams bring nothing to the party.

    I think Williams is a decent human being. Colmes, on the other hand, is a pig. He floated the idea that Sarah Palin’s baby had Down’s Syndrome due to lack of pre-natal care. When the firestorm erupted he deleted his blog post and denied it. Wayback Machine anybody?

    The only reason he’s still on Fox is because he’s married to Monica Crowley’s sister.


  119. RIX
    122 | February 6, 2013 5:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    If the Democrat party was like Kristen Powers, this nation would be better off.

    Absolutely. rational debate would be possible.


  120. lobo91
    124 | February 6, 2013 5:09 pm

    Looks like someone is starting to catch on…

    Pic of the Day: “Down With The Democratic Party The Ally Of Morsi”…


  121. eaglesoars
    125 | February 6, 2013 5:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    If I were that judge, I would have smacked her.

    I would have had the baliff cuff her, and haul her ass out to begin a SIXTY day stint in the hoosegaw THEN AND THERE


  122. RIX
    126 | February 6, 2013 5:09 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    foul mouthed, unsightly baffoons is the new pink…get used to it

    The new normal?


  123. 127 | February 6, 2013 5:10 pm

    @ lobo91:

    he’s a dead man!


  124. citizen_q
    128 | February 6, 2013 5:11 pm

    @ RIX:
    I had some hope for Juan William after he was hit with a clue bat by NPR, and treated well by Fox and conservatives in the aftermath.

    Time and his words have shown that to be a false hope. He is one of those people that if I am watching Fox he starts talking, I just change the channel.

    Though I often wonder if he is just playing a part, and his character is the obamabot since he generally when I have listened to him follows the admin’s talking points.


  125. taxfreekiller
    129 | February 6, 2013 5:12 pm

    WTF moment:

    Rubio to be the response to the God Kings lies about our sorry condition..

    MS TFK JUST HAD A PHONE CALL FROM ONE OF HER BUDDIES,
    THE FIRST HALF OF RUBIO’S TALK WILL BE IN SPANISH.

    RNC can not out pander the commies, and this will look dumb as hell if it is true and does happen.


  126. lobo91
    130 | February 6, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I would have given her 30 days just for her attitude, before she ever said anything.


  127. eaglesoars
    131 | February 6, 2013 5:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Looks like someone is starting to catch on…

    Pic of the Day: “Down With The Democratic Party The Ally Of Morsi”…

    They’re beginning to starve. It won’t be long.

    Building that Aswan dam destroyed their agriculture. This has been a long time coming.


  128. taxfreekiller
    132 | February 6, 2013 5:13 pm

    goole it

    its true sorry to report, @ taxfreekiller:


  129. yenta-fada
    133 | February 6, 2013 5:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    For every Bruce Willis, there are at least 5 celebrities on the other side:
    Tony Bennett: Without Gun Control U.S. Will Turn Into Nazi Germany And “The World Is Going To Take Care Of Us In A Bad Way”…

    Tony (“I Left My Brain in San Francisco”) is an ardent supporter of the Paleostinians.


  130. buzzsawmonkey
    134 | February 6, 2013 5:14 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Hey, yenta! If you’re following the Moran thread at PJM from yesterday, I’ve got a post at #71 that sparks a lengthy exchange at #73.


  131. lobo91
    135 | February 6, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    They’re beginning to starve. It won’t be long.

    “Let them eat tanks (and F-16s)!”
    //


  132. RIX
    136 | February 6, 2013 5:15 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Colmbs & Juan Williams bring nothing to the party.

    I think Williams is a decent human being. Colmes, on the other hand, is a pig. He floated the idea that Sarah Palin’s baby had Down’s Syndrome due to lack of pre-natal care. When the firestorm erupted he deleted his blog post and denied it. Wayback Machine anybody?

    The only reason he’s still on Fox is because he’s married to Monica Crowley’s sister.

    You’re right about Colmes. I have heard his radio program, a real smear merchant.
    Yeah, Williams is a decent guy, but totally in the tank for Obama.
    No real analysis & knee jerk comments.


  133. heysoos
    137 | February 6, 2013 5:17 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Looks like someone is starting to catch on…
    Pic of the Day: “Down With The Democratic Party The Ally Of Morsi”…

    They’re beginning to starve. It won’t be long.
    Building that Aswan dam destroyed their agriculture. This has been a long time coming.

    just imagine when the IAF blows the Aswan…surfs up!


  134. yenta-fada
    138 | February 6, 2013 5:17 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Colmbs & Juan Williams bring nothing to the party.
    I think Williams is a decent human being. Colmes, on the other hand, is a pig. He floated the idea that Sarah Palin’s baby had Down’s Syndrome due to lack of pre-natal care. When the firestorm erupted he deleted his blog post and denied it. Wayback Machine anybody?
    The only reason he’s still on Fox is because he’s married to Monica Crowley’s sister.

    It is amazing how much of the world runs on the principle of ‘schlep’.
    That’s roughly defined as ‘it’s not what you know, it’s WHO you know.


  135. RIX
    139 | February 6, 2013 5:18 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I had some hope for Juan William after he was hit with a clue bat by NPR, and treated well by Fox and conservatives in the aftermath.

    Time and his words have shown that to be a false hope. He is one of those people that if I am watching Fox he starts talking, I just change the channel.

    Though I often wonder if he is just playing a part, and his character is the obamabot since he generally when I have listened to him follows the admin’s talking points.

    When he got whacked at NPR, dastardly conservatives were his friends.
    He seems to have got past it.


  136. yenta-fada
    140 | February 6, 2013 5:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Hey, yenta! If you’re following the Moran thread at PJM from yesterday, I’ve got a post at #71 that sparks a lengthy exchange at #73.

    I’ll check it out. That thread really took off. :-)


  137. brookly red
    141 | February 6, 2013 5:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Looks like someone is starting to catch on…

    Pic of the Day: “Down With The Democratic Party The Ally Of Morsi”…

    They’re beginning to starve. It won’t be long.

    Building that Aswan dam destroyed their agriculture. This has been a long time coming.

    all of North Africa has food production issues…


  138. eaglesoars
    142 | February 6, 2013 5:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “Let them eat tanks (and F-16s)!”

    Which is why we give them $1B a year. What did you think they use it for?


  139. RIX
    143 | February 6, 2013 5:21 pm

    It is amazing how much of the world runs on the principle of ‘schlep’.
    That’s roughly defined as ‘it’s not what you know, it’s WHO you know.
    @ yenta-fada:

    There used to be a Chicago alderman, Paddy Bowler who famously said.
    ” I don’t want nobody dat nobody sent.”


  140. brookly red
    144 | February 6, 2013 5:22 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    “Let them eat tanks (and F-16s)!”

    Which is why we give them $1B a year. What did you think they use it for?

    booze and whores same as most foreign aid recipients


  141. heysoos
    145 | February 6, 2013 5:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Looks like someone is starting to catch on…
    Pic of the Day: “Down With The Democratic Party The Ally Of Morsi”…
    They’re beginning to starve. It won’t be long.
    Building that Aswan dam destroyed their agriculture. This has been a long time coming.

    all of North Africa has food production issues…

    yup, the Chinese are buying up the land, plop a few Hyperions in the ground for power, irrigate and presto!…the price of popcorn will crash


  142. eaglesoars
    146 | February 6, 2013 5:23 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    just imagine when the IAF blows the Aswan…surfs up!

    Yeah. They’ll have to go back to candles but at least after a few years they’ll be able to feed themselves -- if they remember how.

    Via NatGeo mag I followed the construction of the dam and the DESTRUCTION of so much of their cultural heritage. If ANYONE was warning what it would do to their agriculture, I missed it .


  143. brookly red
    147 | February 6, 2013 5:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    just imagine when the IAF blows the Aswan…surfs up!

    they wouldn’t for 2 reasons… 1. if they do they loose the threat of doing it 2. they are just fine with Egypt not producing food.


  144. eaglesoars
    148 | February 6, 2013 5:28 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    booze and whores same as most foreign aid recipients

    heh. no. They buy the weapons. It’s called the military-industrial complex.

    heysoos wrote:

    plop a few Hyperions in the ground for power

    What’s a Hyperion?


  145. buzzsawmonkey
    149 | February 6, 2013 5:31 pm

    RIX wrote:

    There used to be a Chicago alderman, Paddy Bowler who famously said.
    ” I don’t want nobody dat nobody sent.”

    Alderman Paddy Bauler, the last of the old-time “saloon politicians,” ran Chicago’s 43rd Ward on the Near North Side, the area that includes Old Town and the Moody Bible Institute.

    His famous line was, “Chicago ain’t ready for reform!” after a reform ticket was defeated back in the ’50s.

    The line “we don’t want nobody nobody sent” is something Abner Mikva (liberal alderman from the Hyde Park area on the South Side) said was told to him when he showed up at the local Democratic headquarters on his own to try and get into politics.

    Here’s Chicago’s “Uncle Win,” Win Stracke, founder of the Old Town School of Folk Music, singing his song “43rd Ward” Unfortunately, this snippet—the only one I could find on YouTube—does not contain the two verses which allude to Paddy Bauler.


  146. heysoos
    150 | February 6, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    power, lots of power…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen4_Energy


  147. lobo91
    151 | February 6, 2013 5:38 pm

    @ brookly red:

    all of North Africa has food production issues…

    Most of the problems with Africa are the result of Africans running things.


  148. brookly red
    152 | February 6, 2013 5:41 pm

    Well as Chris Rush (a Brooklynite) said… “This is sand. Nothing will grow here. Move.”


  149. heysoos
    153 | February 6, 2013 5:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    all of North Africa has food production issues…
    Most of the problems with Africa are the result of Africans running things.

    no problem, the UN is on it


  150. eaglesoars
    154 | February 6, 2013 5:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Alderman Paddy Bauler, the last of the old-time “saloon politicians,” ran Chicago’s 43rd Ward on the Near North Side, the area that includes Old Town and the Moody Bible Institute.

    I’m not defending the guy -- know nothing about him -- but there is something to be said for the old time political ‘machine’. My dad saw it in rural Penna. and a lot of times it did really good things for the ‘little people’ who had no resources, etc.

    Dad told me a story. The village he grew up in had a lot of immigrants. No blacks, no Jews. Coal mining and farming. A young Polish girl -- 13 or so -- was poisoned w/Spanish Fly and raped -- by relatives of honchos at a steel company that owned one of the mines. Untouchable. Or so they thought.

    Those young men were never seen again. The cops found one shoe by the river but that’s it.

    The word went out.

    1920s


  151. buzzsawmonkey
    155 | February 6, 2013 5:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    all of North Africa has food production issues…

    North Africa, particularly Libya, was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. Supposedly, its fertility was destroyed when the Muslims conquered it.


  152. RIX
    156 | February 6, 2013 5:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Chicago political history is dmn colorful.


  153. eaglesoars
    157 | February 6, 2013 5:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    The cops found one shoe by the river but that’s it.

    I should clarify. There was no such thing as a municipal police force paid for by taxpayers. All law enforcement were employed by the steel companies.


  154. eaglesoars
    158 | February 6, 2013 5:47 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    “This is sand. Nothing will grow here. Move.”

    good thing the Israelis didn’t listen…….


  155. brookly red
    159 | February 6, 2013 5:47 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    all of North Africa has food production issues…

    North Africa, particularly Libya, was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. Supposedly, its fertility was destroyed when the Muslims conquered it.

    for whatever reason they are not a very productive lot…


  156. buzzsawmonkey
    160 | February 6, 2013 5:50 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I’m not defending the guy — know nothing about him — but there is something to be said for the old time political ‘machine’. My dad saw it in rural Penna. and a lot of times it did really good things for the ‘little people’ who had no resources, etc.

    I’ve recommended, several times, that people read the short book “Plunkitt of Tammany Hall.” It was a series of interviews by a newspaperman, William Riordan, with George Washington Plunkitt, who was an old-line Tammany politician, at one point held, I think, three different political jobs at the same time, and is the guy who coined the term “honest graft.”

    Riordan wanted to hold Plunkitt up to ridicule, but can’t quite do it; Plunkitt is an intensely practical politician. And Riordan recognized that a really good machine pol took care of his base—he had to; they were his stock in trade.

    For a funny and affectionate look at real machine politics, I always recommend Preston Sturges’ film The Great McGinty; the original film of The Front Page (Pat O’Brien and Adolphe Menjou) is a good one too.


  157. lobo91
    161 | February 6, 2013 5:50 pm

    @ brookly red:

    for whatever reason they are not a very productive lot…

    Remember, they invented algebra! (or so they claim)

    //And nothing since then


  158. heysoos
    162 | February 6, 2013 5:51 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    all of North Africa has food production issues…
    North Africa, particularly Libya, was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. Supposedly, its fertility was destroyed when the Muslims conquered it.

    for whatever reason they are not a very productive lot…

    sub Sahara Africa could feed the entire continent…but it’s all about water…how to get to it and how to move it…hence the Hyperion energy plant…as yet unlicensed by our feds…watch Toshiba and Japan take over mini power plants worldwide


  159. eaglesoars
    163 | February 6, 2013 5:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Supposedly, its fertility was destroyed when the Muslims conquered it.

    Libya’s ag sector was vibrant until they ‘achieved independence’.


  160. brookly red
    164 | February 6, 2013 5:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    for whatever reason they are not a very productive lot…

    Remember, they invented algebra! (or so they claim)

    //And nothing since then

    out side of High School have you once in your life used Algebra?


  161. eaglesoars
    165 | February 6, 2013 5:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Thanks!


  162. brookly red
    166 | February 6, 2013 5:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    all of North Africa has food production issues…
    North Africa, particularly Libya, was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. Supposedly, its fertility was destroyed when the Muslims conquered it.

    for whatever reason they are not a very productive lot…

    sub Sahara Africa could feed the entire continent…but it’s all about water…how to get to it and how to move it…hence the Hyperion energy plant…as yet unlicensed by our feds…watch Toshiba and Japan take over mini power plants worldwide

    it is fascinating to watch imperial powers (very much including China)carving Africa up…


  163. yenta-fada
    167 | February 6, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    My BIL refused to watch our copy of “Boss”, the Chicago crime drama. He said it was ridiculous. Family liberals…love ‘em, can’t discuss politics. You know what I’m talking about.


  164. eaglesoars
    168 | February 6, 2013 5:58 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    out side of High School have you once in your life used Algebra?

    Yes.

    I’m just glad I never needed trig or calculus -- as I never learned ‘em


  165. buzzsawmonkey
    169 | February 6, 2013 5:59 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I’m just glad I never needed trig

    Leave Sarah Palin alone!


  166. buzzsawmonkey
    170 | February 6, 2013 5:59 pm

    Another pretty good, more modern, political machine film is John Sayles’ City of Hope.


  167. eaglesoars
    171 | February 6, 2013 6:00 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    power, lots of power…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen4_Energy

    That is VERY cool!


  168. heysoos
    172 | February 6, 2013 6:00 pm

    @ brookly red:
    good luck to them…Africa is chock full of borders and natural boundaries…the fertile interior is a hell of a long way from the coasts…industrial farming of the sort the Chinese are thinking is light years away, but central Africa could certainly feed the rest of the continent


  169. RIX
    173 | February 6, 2013 6:02 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    My BIL refused to watch our copy of “Boss”, the Chicago crime drama. He said it was ridiculous. Family liberals…love ‘em, can’t discuss politics. You know what I’m talking about.

    Can’t believe that Boss is cancelled.


  170. brookly red
    174 | February 6, 2013 6:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    good luck to them…Africa is chock full of borders and natural boundaries…the fertile interior is a hell of a long way from the coasts…industrial farming of the sort the Chinese are thinking is light years away, but central Africa could certainly feed the rest of the continent

    it’s about a lot more than food…


  171. buzzsawmonkey
    175 | February 6, 2013 6:05 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    good luck to them…Africa is chock full of borders and natural boundaries…the fertile interior is a hell of a long way from the coasts…industrial farming of the sort the Chinese are thinking is light years away, but central Africa could certainly feed the rest of the continent

    The Chinese don’t care. They could pave a four-lane highway from the interior to the coast with the inmates of their re-education camps and still have plenty of people left over.


  172. heysoos
    176 | February 6, 2013 6:06 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    yeah, invented by our own people at Los Alamos…the company was based in Santa Fe last I knew…the feds have stonewalled these guys for years in terms of licensing for production…energy is a political issue, not a technological problem…we should all be hugely pissed, but AmIdol is on in 5min…


  173. lobo91
    177 | February 6, 2013 6:06 pm

    @ RIX:

    Can’t believe that Boss is cancelled.

    I can’t believe that it was ever made in the first place.


  174. yenta-fada
    178 | February 6, 2013 6:07 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Just to keep your blood pressure up.
    I have posted prior on the fraud going on re: high pressure gas pipe line welders. The use of illegals at very low wages to weld, the use of fake Union Job Time, the use of fake ID’s, the coyotes operating the work sites to contol the slaves and the payment of the crossing ect.
    Now even worse. (pay equivalent to $2.66 per hour)
    Best of all the company gets “Obama Clean Energy Dollars” picked from our pockets.
    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2013/02/06/silicon-valley-company-busted-for-paying-workers-in-mexican-pesos/#ixzz2K966ZAMn
    Think it through, $2.66 per hour.
    Think of the prior slaves in the south.
    They got room and board and it just could be they were better paid compared to this crime in California today.)
    spit
    Corupt Crime Family Of A Two Party Evil Money Cult In Washington D.C..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21233355


  175. lobo91
    179 | February 6, 2013 6:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    out side of High School have you once in your life used Algebra?

    Actually, yes, in my military specialty.


  176. 180 | February 6, 2013 6:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Supposedly, its fertility was destroyed when the Muslims conquered it.

    Documented fact. When the Arabs were driving the Eastern Romans out of North Africa, they destroyed everything.


  177. brookly red
    181 | February 6, 2013 6:08 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    good luck to them…Africa is chock full of borders and natural boundaries…the fertile interior is a hell of a long way from the coasts…industrial farming of the sort the Chinese are thinking is light years away, but central Africa could certainly feed the rest of the continent

    The Chinese don’t care. They could pave a four-lane highway from the interior to the coast with the inmates of their re-education camps and still have plenty of people left over.

    for the near future it’s about minerals and of course energy.


  178. 182 | February 6, 2013 6:08 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I sucked at Algebra but excelled at Trigonometry and Geometry.


  179. heysoos
    183 | February 6, 2013 6:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    good luck to them…Africa is chock full of borders and natural boundaries…the fertile interior is a hell of a long way from the coasts…industrial farming of the sort the Chinese are thinking is light years away, but central Africa could certainly feed the rest of the continent
    The Chinese don’t care. They could pave a four-lane highway from the interior to the coast with the inmates of their re-education camps and still have plenty of people left over.

    make for a good tv reality show…
    Lice Road Truckers


  180. yenta-fada
    185 | February 6, 2013 6:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    good luck to them…Africa is chock full of borders and natural boundaries…the fertile interior is a hell of a long way from the coasts…industrial farming of the sort the Chinese are thinking is light years away, but central Africa could certainly feed the rest of the continent
    The Chinese don’t care. They could pave a four-lane highway from the interior to the coast with the inmates of their re-education camps and still have plenty of people left over.

    Gold back yuan? There is no madness in their methods.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-05/china-gold-imports-from-hong-kong-gain-to-all-time-high-in-12.html


  181. brookly red
    186 | February 6, 2013 6:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Supposedly, its fertility was destroyed when the Muslims conquered it.

    Documented fact. When the Arabs were driving the Eastern Romans out of North Africa, they destroyed everything.

    sorta like when some people get mad and burn their own neighborhoods…


  182. yenta-fada
    187 | February 6, 2013 6:10 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    PIMF ‘backed’ No excuse.


  183. brookly red
    188 | February 6, 2013 6:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Dem Congressman: It’s The Government’s Responsibility, Not Families, To Take Care Of Grandma And Grandpa…

    well if they were veterans I can see it…


  184. yenta-fada
    189 | February 6, 2013 6:11 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Some of the resource companies sold to China in British Columbia brought their own Chinese workers with them. I know the Chinese have done this in other places.


  185. brookly red
    190 | February 6, 2013 6:12 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    good luck to them…Africa is chock full of borders and natural boundaries…the fertile interior is a hell of a long way from the coasts…industrial farming of the sort the Chinese are thinking is light years away, but central Africa could certainly feed the rest of the continent
    The Chinese don’t care. They could pave a four-lane highway from the interior to the coast with the inmates of their re-education camps and still have plenty of people left over.

    Gold back yuan? There is no madness in their methods.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-05/china-gold-imports-from-hong-kong-gain-to-all-time-high-in-12.html

    they invest in gold, we invest in solar panels… care to guess who is gonna win?


  186. RIX
    191 | February 6, 2013 6:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Can’t believe that Boss is cancelled.

    I can’t believe that it was ever made in the first place.

    I liked it, the Chicago angle.


  187. brookly red
    192 | February 6, 2013 6:14 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Some of the resource companies sold to China in British Columbia brought their own Chinese workers with them. I know the Chinese have done this in other places.

    and those worker can become soldiers in like 2 minutes.


  188. lobo91
    193 | February 6, 2013 6:16 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Algebra


  189. lobo91
    194 | February 6, 2013 6:17 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Can’t believe that Boss is cancelled.
    I can’t believe that it was ever made in the first place.
    I liked it, the Chicago angle.

    Oh, I liked the show. I’m just surprised that the found anyone in Hollywood willing to make it. Doesn’t exactly make the Chicago machine look good.


  190. eaglesoars
    195 | February 6, 2013 6:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I sucked at Algebra but excelled at Trigonometry and Geometry.

    I didn’t ‘get’ algebra until I was in my 20s and taught it to myself -- using pic-up-stiks.

    I was failing geometry in high school until I got a teacher -- bless her -- who knew I was interested in archeology, threw out the book, and taught me how to design a dig (private school for juvenile delinquents -- big surprise, I know).

    Voila! Geometry learned. Straight As from then.

    I don’t learn it way most people do I guess.


  191. yenta-fada
    196 | February 6, 2013 6:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    good luck to them…Africa is chock full of borders and natural boundaries…the fertile interior is a hell of a long way from the coasts…industrial farming of the sort the Chinese are thinking is light years away, but central Africa could certainly feed the rest of the continent
    The Chinese don’t care. They could pave a four-lane highway from the interior to the coast with the inmates of their re-education camps and still have plenty of people left over.
    Gold back yuan? There is no madness in their methods.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-05/china-gold-imports-from-hong-kong-gain-to-all-time-high-in-12.html
    they invest in gold, we invest in solar panels… care to guess who is gonna win?

    You need silver to make solar panels. Silver is used up in the process. China buys out companies that mine precious metals and allow no exportation of either metal from China. Jus’ saying.


  192. eaglesoars
    197 | February 6, 2013 6:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Algebra

    •Determine the tactical implication of rainout.

    What is rainout?


  193. yenta-fada
    198 | February 6, 2013 6:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Some of the resource companies sold to China in British Columbia brought their own Chinese workers with them. I know the Chinese have done this in other places.
    and those worker can become soldiers in like 2 minutes.

    I’ve never thought about that part. It’s destructive enough ‘insourcing’ cheap labor. As tfk noted, some Mexican workers in the U.S. are essentially slaves to coyotes who pay them in pesos.


  194. brookly red
    199 | February 6, 2013 6:23 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Algebra

    •Determine the tactical implication of rainout.

    What is rainout?

    rain reduces fall out…


  195. RIX
    200 | February 6, 2013 6:25 pm

    Oh, I liked the show. I’m just surprised that the found anyone in Hollywood willing to make it. Doesn’t exactly make the Chicago machine look good.
    @ lobo91:

    No it doesn’t make them look good. The Kelsy Grammer character seems like
    a mix of Richie Daley & other pols.
    Some of the characters are obvious parodies of pols living & dead.
    Da guys had to be unhappy.


  196. lobo91
    201 | February 6, 2013 6:25 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    What is rainout?

    It’s when rainfall mixes with a fallout cloud. It tends to wash the particles out of the air, which puts them on the ground somewhere other than where they were predicted to go as a result of wind patterns.


  197. yenta-fada
    202 | February 6, 2013 6:25 pm

    @Flyovercountry.

    Very well stated post with good examples! Perhaps ‘American Thinker’ or the like would publish it? So much needs wider distribution.


  198. brookly red
    203 | February 6, 2013 6:27 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Some of the resource companies sold to China in British Columbia brought their own Chinese workers with them. I know the Chinese have done this in other places.
    and those worker can become soldiers in like 2 minutes.

    I’ve never thought about that part. It’s destructive enough ‘insourcing’ cheap labor. As tfk noted, some Mexican workers in the U.S. are essentially slaves to coyotes who pay them in pesos.

    sure you go 100,000 guys with shovels 1 minute and then you got 100,000 guys with rifles the next. The Chinese in Africa may never be used as troops but don’t think for a second they couldn’t be.


  199. yenta-fada
    204 | February 6, 2013 6:27 pm

    @ RIX:

    Kelsey Grammer is rich and talented enough to produce his own ideas.
    Few people in Hollywood can afford to (or are talented enough) to operate outside the Studio system.


  200. RIX
    205 | February 6, 2013 6:31 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Kelsey Grammer is rich and talented enough to produce his own ideas.
    Few people in Hollywood can afford to (or are talented enough) to operate outside the Studio system.

    true & the guy is a really good actor.


  201. 206 | February 6, 2013 6:31 pm

    Nork biker chic? Hipsters are totalitarians.


  202. heysoos
    207 | February 6, 2013 6:33 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Nork biker chic? Hipsters are totalitarians.

    that’s Roy Orbison


  203. 208 | February 6, 2013 6:34 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Almost could be in a way. That’s funny. But it’s Kim Jong Il.


  204. eaglesoars
    209 | February 6, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Thank you.

    brookly red wrote:

    sure you go 100,000 guys with shovels 1 minute and then you got 100,000 guys with rifles the next. The Chinese in Africa may never be used as troops but don’t think for a second they couldn’t be.

    Not to diminish the Chinese in any way -- I’ve worked with a few from the mainland and for the most part they are formidable people. But I look at what’s happening w/Five Gorges dam and I think -- these people could fuck up a one car funeral

    (and that’s the SECOND time I’ve referred to dams in one thread…hmmm)


  205. brookly red
    210 | February 6, 2013 6:38 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Almost could be in a way. That’s funny. But it’s Kim Jong Il.

    the original shot was Dean, I think but there was a similar one of Brando…


  206. 211 | February 6, 2013 6:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    the original shot was Dean, I think but there was a similar one of Brando…

    Someone just emailed me to say it might be Joe Strummer on the bike.


  207. buzzsawmonkey
    212 | February 6, 2013 6:39 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Nork biker chic? Hipsters are totalitarians.

    Welcome to Kim Jung-Il
    We’ve got fun and games…


  208. brookly red
    213 | February 6, 2013 6:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Thank you.

    brookly red wrote:

    sure you go 100,000 guys with shovels 1 minute and then you got 100,000 guys with rifles the next. The Chinese in Africa may never be used as troops but don’t think for a second they couldn’t be.

    Not to diminish the Chinese in any way — I’ve worked with a few from the mainland and for the most part they are formidable people. But I look at what’s happening w/Five Gorges dam and I think — these people could fuck up a one car funeral

    (and that’s the SECOND time I’ve referred to dams in one thread…hmmm)

    I am sorry I am from NYC, pls where is Five Gorges?


  209. brookly red
    214 | February 6, 2013 6:40 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    the original shot was Dean, I think but there was a similar one of Brando…

    Someone just emailed me to say it might be Joe Strummer on the bike.

    put grease in Napalitano’s hair… could be


  210. Buckeye Abroad
    215 | February 6, 2013 6:43 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Some of the resource companies sold to China in British Columbia brought their own Chinese workers with them. I know the Chinese have done this in other places.

    and those worker can become soldiers in like 2 minutes.

    My friend in Cape Town works independent, but does alot of contract work for mining companies across Africa. He said the Chinese not only bring their own workers, screwing the locals out of jobs, but their own security as well. After they have bribed the local officials, they pretty much own the place.


  211. heysoos
    216 | February 6, 2013 6:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    the original shot was Dean, I think but there was a similar one of Brando…
    Someone just emailed me to say it might be Joe Strummer on the bike.

    put grease in Napalitano’s hair… could be

    who’s Napalitano?


  212. eaglesoars
    217 | February 6, 2013 6:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I am sorry I am from NYC, pls where is Five Gorges?

    Well to be accurate, some call it three some five. It’s a hydroelectric damn on the Yangtzee.

    There’s a problem. Several. The cement ‘walls’ on the banks were not allowed to age (harden) properly and are collapsing (cement ages at a known rate -- this is not new). There’s a problem with the underlying soil. I’m not sure -- having read various accounts -- if it’s that the angle is wrong (usually it’s 45 degrees) or if something else is allowing water in.

    None of the technology is new. They were in a hurry and they cut corners.


  213. brookly red
    218 | February 6, 2013 6:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    the original shot was Dean, I think but there was a similar one of Brando…
    Someone just emailed me to say it might be Joe Strummer on the bike.

    put grease in Napalitano’s hair… could be

    who’s Napalitano?

    big sis… did I spell it wrong?


  214. eaglesoars
    219 | February 6, 2013 6:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    damn

    sometimes I crack myself up.


  215. brookly red
    220 | February 6, 2013 6:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I am sorry I am from NYC, pls where is Five Gorges?

    Well to be accurate, some call it three some five. It’s a hydroelectric damn on the Yangtzee.

    There’s a problem. Several. The cement ‘walls’ on the banks were not allowed to age (harden) properly and are collapsing (cement ages at a known rate — this is not new). There’s a problem with the underlying soil. I’m not sure — having read various accounts — if it’s that the angle is wrong (usually it’s 45 degrees) or if something else is allowing water in.

    None of the technology is new. They were in a hurry and they cut corners.

    well that is their problem they think in 50 yr plans but want them right now!


  216. heysoos
    221 | February 6, 2013 6:52 pm

    @ brookly red:
    got it


  217. brookly red
    222 | February 6, 2013 6:53 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Some of the resource companies sold to China in British Columbia brought their own Chinese workers with them. I know the Chinese have done this in other places.

    and those worker can become soldiers in like 2 minutes.

    My friend in Cape Town works independent, but does alot of contract work for mining companies across Africa. He said the Chinese not only bring their own workers, screwing the locals out of jobs, but their own security as well. After they have bribed the local officials, they pretty much own the place.

    well I know some people may take this the wrong way, but the Chinese learned to pick their own cotton.


  218. 223 | February 6, 2013 6:54 pm

    Paul McKinley is running for Congress. He wants to replace Jesse Jackson Jr. in the Illinois Second District.
    Paul McKinley is an ex-con, a conservative, and someone who is willing to take on the Chicago Machine.
    Paul McKinley is a Republican
    Here is his ad.


  219. buzzsawmonkey
    224 | February 6, 2013 6:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    There’s a problem. Several. The cement ‘walls’ on the banks were not allowed to age (harden) properly and are collapsing (cement ages at a known rate — this is not new). There’s a problem with the underlying soil. I’m not sure — having read various accounts — if it’s that the angle is wrong (usually it’s 45 degrees) or if something else is allowing water in.

    None of the technology is new. They were in a hurry and they cut corners.

    One of the (many) great moments from The Great McGinty; the political boss (Akim Tamiroff, in one of his best roles) has just put McGinty in as governor, and is listing all of the improvements the state needs:

    Boss: You’re going to love me for this one—a new dam. From the way you look, I see you don’t know what a dam is. You think it’s something you put a lot of water in. A dam is something you put a lot of concrete in, and no matter how much you put in you’ll find there’s always room for a lot more. And then, just when you think it’s finished, you find a crack in it—and you’ve got to put a lot more concrete in.

    McGinty: What’s the matter with the dam we have?

    Boss: It’s got a crack in it.


  220. Alberta Oil Peon
    225 | February 6, 2013 6:56 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Nork biker chic? Hipsters are totalitarians.

    that’s Roy Orbison

    Roy Orbison never had a barber that shitty.


  221. brookly red
    226 | February 6, 2013 6:57 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Paul McKinley is running for Congress. He wants to replace Jesse Jackson Jr. in the Illinois Second District.
    Paul McKinley is an ex-con, a conservative, and someone who is willing to take on the Chicago Machine.
    Paul McKinley is a Republican
    Here is his ad.

    an ex-con replacing a soon to be con? it could work.


  222. eaglesoars
    227 | February 6, 2013 7:00 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Boss: It’s got a crack in it.

    BWAHAHAHA!!

    China is what you get when one union masquerades as a political party runs the state.

    Chicago is what you get when one political party masquerades as a union.


  223. buzzsawmonkey
    228 | February 6, 2013 7:04 pm

    I just thought of the name for the new album, featuring the Obamas: Their Satanic Majesties Sequest.


  224. lobo91
    229 | February 6, 2013 7:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Sounds a lot like this:

    Obama Crony Awarded Huge Contract To Supply Ill-Equipped Smartphones To Low-Income Job-Seekers…

    A cellphone company whose top executive has close ties to President Obama lobbied for and won a piece of a major new government push to provide Internet service to low-income job-seekers, even though critics say the company’s smartphones are poorly suited to the task of helping those in the program find work.

    The program’s supporters tout it as a way for the unemployed to learn technical skills, to prepare resumes and to search for jobs, but one of the 14 pilot contracts that the FCC awarded went to Miami-based TracFone Wireless Inc.

    TracFone CEO F.J. Pollak has been a frequent White House visitor and his wife Abigail has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for both Mr. Obama’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns.

    And although TracFone had originally lobbied for the program, critics say its contract would not provide recipients with skills-boosting computers and services, but would supply high-end Android phones, ready to play games and browse Facebook but doing little in the way of getting a job.


  225. buzzsawmonkey
    230 | February 6, 2013 7:05 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    BWAHAHAHA!!

    The Great McGinty is a fantastic movie.


  226. brookly red
    231 | February 6, 2013 7:08 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Paul McKinley is running for Congress. He wants to replace Jesse Jackson Jr. in the Illinois Second District.
    Paul McKinley is an ex-con, a conservative, and someone who is willing to take on the Chicago Machine.
    Paul McKinley is a Republican
    Here is his ad.

    I might just send him a few bucks on general principal


  227. eaglesoars
    232 | February 6, 2013 7:08 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    BWAHAHAHA!!

    The Great McGinty is a fantastic movie.

    I just lloked for it on B&N and Amazon -- tape only.

    :sad:

    I’ll check Netflix DVD -- but if Amazon doesn’t have it….


  228. lobo91
  229. eaglesoars
    234 | February 6, 2013 7:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Sounds a lot like this:

    You DO realize that the entire pgm was designed to shovel money to cronies, Yes?

    Ok, off to get my Jack Bauer fix


  230. yenta-fada
    235 | February 6, 2013 7:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I just thought of the name for the new album, featuring the Obamas: Their Satanic Majesties Sequest.

    Album Cover: Beyoncé, Moochelle’s role model from half-time.

    http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/427/8006/original.jpg


  231. brookly red
    236 | February 6, 2013 7:11 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I just thought of the name for the new album, featuring the Obamas: Their Satanic Majesties Sequest.

    Album Cover: Beyoncé, Moochelle’s role model from half-time.

    http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/427/8006/original.jpg

    well at least that is her own hair…


  232. lobo91
    237 | February 6, 2013 7:13 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Sounds a lot like this:
    You DO realize that the entire pgm was designed to shovel money to cronies, Yes?
    Ok, off to get my Jack Bauer fix

    If by “program” you mean “the Obama Administration,” then yes.


  233. buzzsawmonkey
    238 | February 6, 2013 7:15 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I just lloked for it on B&N and Amazon — tape only.

    It’s available in an omnibus of Preston Sturges films; Sullivan’s Travels, Christmas in July, Hail the Conquering Hero, The Lady Eve, The Palm Beach Story, and a couple of others that I forget, in addition to McGinty.

    The first three in the list above are also fantastic—think Frank Capra with a straight razor. Unfortunately, it does not include Mad Wednesday, also titled (in, I believe, a slightly different cut) The Sin of Harold Diddlebock, nor The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek, but you can’t have everything.


  234. yenta-fada
    239 | February 6, 2013 7:16 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I would not bet on that.


  235. 240 | February 6, 2013 7:16 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/427/8006/original.jpg

    I read somewhere that the NFL may actually do away with these half time shows. What a shame. America may miss another chance to watch chunky hookers bedecked in leather wagging their va-jay-jays on national tv.


  236. yenta-fada
    241 | February 6, 2013 7:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hard to get this stuff in Canada, but they occasionally appear on the AMC channel. I appreciate your recos.


  237. buzzsawmonkey
    242 | February 6, 2013 7:19 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Album Cover: Beyoncé, Moochelle’s role model from half-time.

    that calls for a reprise:

    Weapon Owners
    —apologies to Beyoncé, and “Single Ladies”

    Legal weapon owners, legal weapon owners
    Legal weapon owners, legal weapon owners
    Legal weapon owners, legal weapon owners
    Legal weapon owners
    Now give your guns up

    Kids shot in school, breaking the rule that declared it a gun-free zone
    No-one could fight back ‘gainst the crazy attack
    Because they weren’t allowed to carry

    But don’t protect, instead reject
    A tried and tested solution
    Just shed some tears, then play on fears
    To make people less free

    So if you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Tearin’ the Constitution all to bits
    So if you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Tearin’ the Constitution all to bits
    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it

    Goin’ after the clips, and the pistol grips
    And the high-capacity magazines
    Panic mode, gun rights erode
    Don’t give people time to think

    Nothing that’s proposed will act to dispose
    Of any illegal weaponry
    Nor will it prevent any new incident
    Or avoid a future tragedy

    But if you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Tearin’ the Constitution all to bits
    Yeah, if you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Tearin’ the Constitution all to bits
    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

    Don’t say we can act responsibly
    And do what we think best
    The government should tell us how we can serve

    All of these restrictions, just fictions
    That old men wrote in the Constitution, but that was very long ago
    We know much better now, so let’s just disregard
    And all these silly personal liberties willl be gone

    Legal weapon owners, legal weapon owners
    Legal weapon owners, legal weapon owners
    Legal weapon owners, legal weapon owners
    Legal weapon owners

    Now give your guns up
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
    Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

    ‘Cause if you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Tearin’ the Constitution all to bits
    Yeah, if you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Oh, oh, oh

    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    If you like Second Amendment, just get over it
    Tearin’ the Constitution all to bits
    Yeah, if you like Second Amendment, just get over it

    Oh, oh, oh


  238. brookly red
    243 | February 6, 2013 7:19 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/427/8006/original.jpg

    I read somewhere that the NFL may actually do away with these half time shows. What a shame. America may miss another chance to watch chunky hookers bedecked in leather wagging their va-jay-jays on national tv.

    you say that as if it was a bad thing…


  239. brookly red
    244 | February 6, 2013 7:22 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/427/8006/original.jpg

    I read somewhere that the NFL may actually do away with these half time shows. What a shame. America may miss another chance to watch chunky hookers bedecked in leather wagging their va-jay-jays on national tv.

    seriously it would be a step in the right direction…


  240. yenta-fada
    245 | February 6, 2013 7:27 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Maybe you should just stop digging. :-)


  241. brookly red
    246 | February 6, 2013 7:28 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Maybe you should just stop digging.

    you know me better than that :)


  242. waldensianspirit
    248 | February 6, 2013 7:31 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Somebody had to power the lights


  243. buzzsawmonkey
    249 | February 6, 2013 7:33 pm

    Beyonce’s vulgarity is so over-the-top grotesque it’s riveting. Her moves are those of a street drag queen.

    That the “first lady” apparently worships her and indeed is on record as saying that she wishes she could be Beyonce is just…sad.


  244. yenta-fada
    250 | February 6, 2013 7:36 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    When these displays take place at such a high level of power and influence, sad becomes ‘tragic’.


  245. 251 | February 6, 2013 7:36 pm

    New Thread.


  246. 252 | February 6, 2013 7:41 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    It is the complete obliteration of societal standards. Today the thug is king and the whore is queen.


  247. eaglesoars
    253 | February 6, 2013 7:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It’s available in an omnibus of Preston Sturges films; Sullivan’s Travels, Christmas in July, Hail the Conquering Hero, The Lady Eve, The Palm Beach Story, and a couple of others that I forget, in addition to McGinty.

    How do I get my greedy paws on it?

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I read somewhere that the NFL may actually do away with these half time shows.

    That’s just about next year when it will be played in New Jersey -- OUTSIDE, NO DOME

    geniuses, the lot of ‘em


  248. eaglesoars
    254 | February 6, 2013 7:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    How do I get my greedy paws on it?

    found it

    gawd I love one-click


  249. 255 | February 6, 2013 7:46 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Oh. Just for next year? Hmm. Well they probably realized that it’s going to hard finding prostitutes to perform clothed.


  250. buzzsawmonkey
    256 | February 6, 2013 7:47 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    How do I get my greedy paws on it?

    Try here.


  251. brookly red
    257 | February 6, 2013 7:52 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Oh. Just for next year? Hmm. Well they probably realized that it’s going to hard finding prostitutes to perform clothed.

    my congressman wears a suite every day… it can be done.


  252. waldensianspirit
    258 | February 6, 2013 7:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    my congressman wears a suite every day… it can be done.

    :mrgreen:


  253. 259 | February 6, 2013 7:55 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Touche!


  254. brookly red
    260 | February 6, 2013 7:57 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Oh. Just for next year? Hmm. Well they probably realized that it’s going to hard finding prostitutes to perform clothed.

    well should take a poll… does the whore in garters or the whore in a necktie do more damage to society?


  255. brookly red
    261 | February 6, 2013 7:58 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Touche!

    and don’t make me bring up pantsuits :) now that is a prostitute!


  256. lobo91
    262 | February 6, 2013 8:07 pm

    Just when we thought Kirsten Powers was starting to catch on…O’Reilly asked her what she would have done with that woman who cursed at the judge in Florida, and she said “nothing,” because being rude isn’t contempt.


  257. brookly red
    263 | February 6, 2013 8:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Just when we thought Kirsten Powers was starting to catch on…O’Reilly asked her what she would have done with that woman who cursed at the judge in Florida, and she said “nothing,” because being rude isn’t contempt.

    well she has a point… there are many authority figures that need to be flipped a bird.


  258. lobo91
    264 | February 6, 2013 8:20 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Have you seen the video of that court appearance?


  259. waldensianspirit
    265 | February 6, 2013 8:20 pm

    Kasich blows RINO chunks


  260. eaglesoars
    266 | February 6, 2013 8:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Just when we thought Kirsten Powers was starting to catch on

    And WHAT did I say upthread? Something about sometimes she says something so stupid my brain freezes?

    Powers is NEVER going to ‘catch on’. You haven’t been paying attention. She’s a good person and an honest person but sometimes the stupid burns.


  261. lobo91
    267 | February 6, 2013 8:26 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    That woman’s attitude in court pretty much defined contempt of court.


  262. eaglesoars
    268 | February 6, 2013 8:27 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well she has a point… there are many authority figures that need to be flipped a bird.

    NO SHE DOES NOT.

    That was not rudeness and we aren’t talking about authority figures. We’re talking about an carrier of illegal drugs who thinks she’s too cute for school. Authority figures DO indeed sometimes need to be brought to heel -- see Crowd packs heat; Oak Harbor backs down

    We are -- still -- a nation of laws -- and that LITTLE GIRL’S delusion that it’s about silliness (according to her) is addressed accordingly.


  263. eaglesoars
    269 | February 6, 2013 8:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    That woman’s attitude in court pretty much defined contempt of court.

    She isn’t a woman. She’s a girl who has been allowed to get away with anything and everything. I had a very strong father -- who backed me up when I trashed the vice principals office and when I decked the bully in the playground who tried to get under my skirt. But mouth off without a damn good reason and I would have been swallowing my own teeth.


  264. brookly red
    270 | February 6, 2013 8:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Have you seen the video of that court appearance?

    yes and while I do find her to be odious the actions that got her there are what she is being judged on… be very careful the same authority might soon seed you to jail for insulting Moochelle’s butt.

    Contempt is a condition not a crime and the root of freedom exists in the rights of the persons you find most odious.


  265. brookly red
    271 | February 6, 2013 8:48 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    well she has a point… there are many authority figures that need to be flipped a bird.

    NO SHE DOES NOT.

    That was not rudeness and we aren’t talking about authority figures. We’re talking about an carrier of illegal drugs who thinks she’s too cute for school. Authority figures DO indeed sometimes need to be brought to heel — see Crowd packs heat; Oak Harbor backs down

    We are — still — a nation of laws — and that LITTLE GIRL’S delusion that it’s about silliness (according to her) is addressed accordingly.

    hey for the drugs lock her ass up… for the bird? not so much


  266. eaglesoars
    272 | February 6, 2013 8:56 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    for the bird? not so much

    hunh. I’m rethinking this. You may be right. Free speech ends in the courtroom?

    She IS after all entitled to her opinion -- and entitled to express it. But I’m not a lawyer (I believe you are) -- and the means of that expression may be curtailed given the venue.

    In any event -- going back to Jack Bauer.


  267. brookly red
    273 | February 6, 2013 9:03 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    for the bird? not so much

    hunh. I’m rethinking this. You may be right. Free speech ends in the courtroom?

    She IS after all entitled to her opinion — and entitled to express it. But I’m not a lawyer (I believe you are) — and the means of that expression may be curtailed given the venue.

    In any event — going back to Jack Bauer.

    it is important that we respect the law, but how far? we have a corrupt government. having said that they are elected officials (not always in the case of judges) not gods. everyone who posts here could be locked up for contempt… think about that.


  268. 274 | February 6, 2013 11:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    What an ignorant fool. He needs a history book, if he can read.
    He’s 86 years old. He was actually alive during the Nazi era.
    He shouldn’t need to read about it.

    Alzheimer’s, or the like. Sad.

    brookly red wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    I just thought of the name for the new album, featuring the Obamas: Their Satanic Majesties Sequest.
    Album Cover: Beyoncé, Moochelle’s role model from half-time.
    http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/427/8006/original.jpg

    well at least that is her own hair…

    OMG what a staggeringly ugly POS.

    Not to mention the fact that it most likely is not her own hair.

    It’s probably extensions and weaves.

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I read somewhere that the NFL may actually do away with these half time shows. What a shame. America may miss another chance to watch chunky hookers bedecked in leather wagging their va-jay-jays on national tv.

    I sure hope they quit having them.

    Remember when vocalists actually were capable of entertaining an audience with all their clothes on (I hasten to add that BOTH the vocalists AND the audiences were fully clothed.)

    Yeah, I’m that old.

    lobo91 wrote:

    And although TracFone had originally lobbied for the program, critics say its contract would not provide recipients with skills-boosting computers and services, but would supply high-end Android phones, ready to play games and browse Facebook but doing little in the way of getting a job.

    Bread and circuses.


  269. RIX
    275 | February 7, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Judges are little dictators in their court room.
    But this does look like contempt, but not 30 days worth.


  270. RIX
    276 | February 7, 2013 5:17 pm

    No Word from Hillary During Benghazi Attack
    Panetta, Dempsey did not speak to Clinton.
    12:55 PM, FEB 7, 2013 • BY MICHAEL WARREN Single PagePrintLarger TextSmaller TextAlerts
    Neither the secretary of defense nor the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff spoke to the secretary of state during the 8-hour attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. At a Thursday hearing in the Senate, Republican Ted Cruz asked both Leon Panetta and Martin Dempsey, “In between 9:42 p.m., Benghazi time, when the first attacks started, and 5:15 am, when Mr. Doherty and Mr. Woods lost their lives, what converations did either of you have with Secretary Clinton?”

    “We did not have any conversations with Secretary Clinton,” Panetta responded.

    WTF?


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