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Jackpot Justice!

by Flyovercountry ( 138 Comments › )
Filed under Business, Politics, Progressives at February 7th, 2013 - 2:00 pm

There is a price to pay for our litigious system of serving up huge jackpots in lieu of actual innovation or productive behavior. That price, in the case of Miami, Oklahoma, was 350 jobs, the loss of health insurance for 350 families, and all of the ancillary multiplicative effects of a small community losing its only manufacturing and tax base. What it cost the country is this, you will no longer have the option of walking to the nearest gas station in order to purchase a sufficient quantity of gasoline to get your whole car to the gas station should you run out of gas. Now, thanks to law suit abuse, you will have to pay for the tow, and wait God knows how long for that tow truck to arrive.

At what point exactly did we as a society, just throw our arms collectively, (pun intended,) into the air and declare ourselves just too damned stupid to function without being forced to wear protective head gear? Blitz USA inc. manufactured about 75% of the small gasoline containers used in the world by people who wished to put small amounts of gasoline into lawn mowers, stalled cars, motor cycles, snow blowers, or anyone of another dozen legitimate uses. But since this is America, and we all have the God given right to be just as stupid as is humanly possible, you can bet your bottom dollar that more than a few people saw fit to take the good Lord up on that very concept. They used Blitz’s otherwise useful product to pour gasoline on open flames, rather than utilizing the fire safety lessons taught in Third Grade Classrooms to every child across the country, (for example, do not pour gasoline on open flames.) Having eschewed perhaps the only useful thing taught in our public school system, as you might have guessed, some folks got hurt. And since in America, nothing is ever the fault of the person who actually committed the act of idiocy in the first place, who ever has the deepest pockets gets volunteered automatically to take fiscal responsibility.

Blitz USA inc., not being a fortune 500 company with an unlimited asset base, eventually found her breaking point. That breaking point by the way, was reached without a single one of the claims made by her plaintiff’s having been proven in court. Not a single explosion of the variety claimed to be a potential was ever duplicated, created, or actually shown to have happened. Blitz simply ran through the entirety of her capital defending 43 law suits, all without merit.

You may never have heard of Blitz USA, but if you have a red portable gasoline can in your garage, chances are you own their product.
At its peak, Blitz USA, the 50-year-old producer of three out of every four portable gas cans nationwide, employed 350 people in the small town of Miami, Oklahoma. But over the last decade, a wave of costly litigation took its toll, and lawsuits finally drove the company out of business.
Around the turn of the century, Blitz came into the crosshairs of the product liability lawyers who saw opportunity in the handful of injuries that came almost exclusively from misuse or miss-storage of the gas can. What started as one lawsuit against Blitz quickly ballooned to more than 40.
The plaintiffs’ cases hinged upon the theory that Blitz cans were liable to combust in the course of use around an open flame.
“The lawyers that are suing us have a theory that the gas vapor, when somebody pours it on a fire, goes up inside the can and the can explodes,” says Blitz CEO Rocky Flick. While Blitz’ experts were never able to replicate the “exploding gas can,” it was clear that misusing a gasoline can by pouring fuel on an open flame could cause serious injuries. “There’s no way to protect somebody pouring gas on a fire,” says Flick.
As the cases mounted and Blitz was forced to empty more than $30 million from its coffers in defense and damage fees, the writing was on the wall. Blitz had to declare bankruptcy, forcing 117 of its remaining employees out of work.
“It was a case where we couldn’t fight them all,” explains Flick. Blitz USA finally closed its doors in August 2012.

All of this happened despite the fact that Blitz molded instruction on the proper use of their product right into the plastic, and placed warnings imploring people not to pour gasoline on to open flames, ever, let alone with their product. My goodness people, we used to laugh at morons who acted this foolishly, and deservedly so.

Of course, the usual lobby groups for plaintiff’s attorneys have all gotten together in order to frame the story in their nuanced language of moral relativism. It just so happens that some extensive studies were done concerning those vaunted flame arrestors, and guess what, turns out that they would have actually made the gas cans more dangerous if misused in the manner described. Knowing that the gas cans did not explode, but that the gas that splashed about actually ignited, a mesh screen would have resulted in greater amounts of gasoline being splashed about. As long as the plaintiff’s attorneys get their pay day I suppose, we should call that a big win for our lottery style judicial system.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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  1. brookly red
    1 | February 7, 2013 2:09 pm

    I had a client once that made medical devices, specifically hypodermic needles. A women tried to sue them when her bady-daddy ODed… obviously it never went to court.


  2. Tanker
    2 | February 7, 2013 2:19 pm

    We are a nation of idiots with tools and stuff…not responsible for any of the things idiots do with tools and stuff!


  3. lobo91
    3 | February 7, 2013 2:43 pm

    The left would dearly love to be able to use this same tactic against gun manufacturers, but the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) stands in their way, fortunately. Democrats here in Colorado are pushing to pass a law that would expose manufacturers to liability in state courts, even though it’s probably doomed legally.

    There was a rash of lawsuits in the late ’90s and early part of this century trying to make product liability claims against gun manufacturers, with the goal of driving them out of business. The most absurd case was in New York, where a jury decided that since the manufacturer of the gun used in one particular case was unknown, the only reasonable answer was to find every gun manufacturer liable, with damages based on each one’s percentage of market share.


  4. heysoos
    4 | February 7, 2013 2:45 pm

    the circus is in town!
    whoopie!


  5. lobo91
  6. lobo91
    6 | February 7, 2013 3:01 pm

    Heh. Feinstein had to have the room cleared because of left-wing protests against Brennan’s nomination as CIA director.

    You know, when both sides hate your nominee, that might be an indication that he’s a bad choice…


  7. 7 | February 7, 2013 3:17 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This is a riot!


  8. Tanker
    8 | February 7, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You know, when both sides hate your nominee, that might be an indication that he’s a bad choice…

    Wouldn’t that require logic in one’s thinking?


  9. 9 | February 7, 2013 3:21 pm

    DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition

    http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/

    An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities. In September last year, the federal agency purchased a further 200 million bullets.

    To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.


  10. lobo91
    10 | February 7, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Sounds to me like they’re just trying to dry up the supply.

    Some of the documents I’ve seen showed them buying huge quantities of ammo in calibers that nobody in the federal government even uses (like .30-’06).


  11. darkwords
    11 | February 7, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ 9 Mike C.:
    It has to be in a government contract somewhere. And open to FOIA requests. Name of the manager who approves it would be there. And they might have even had to go out to bid on the contract. The ammo providers would know.


  12. darkwords
    12 | February 7, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ 10 lobo91: That crossed my mind also. An obot would think that way. Just buy up all the ammo so no one else can. Cheap gun control. But it would be bad public policy. A non transparent underhanded way to social engineer American society. Some congress critter would need to Supreme Court them.


  13. Tanker
    13 | February 7, 2013 3:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Sounds to me like they’re just trying to dry up the supply.
    Some of the documents I’ve seen showed them buying huge quantities of ammo in calibers that nobody in the federal government even uses (like .30-’06).

    Probably why I can’t find any 30.06 at a reasonable price. Seen some online, but the cost is through the roof!


  14. 14 | February 7, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, that’s what it sounds like to me, too. More of Obama’s Stimu-bux, no doubt, making ammo more expensive for the rest of us.


  15. lobo91
    15 | February 7, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ darkwords:

    But it would be bad public policy. A non transparent underhanded way to social engineer American society.

    So what’s your point?
    //


  16. 16 | February 7, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ Tanker:

    LuckyGunner had Wolf .30-06 online yesterday for roughly $ 0.50/round. Okay, it’s stell-cased and Berdan-primed, but it shoots.

    Those numbers in that article ARE from official sources -- this stuff is all put out to bid and it’s all available online. See the links in the story.


  17. 17 | February 7, 2013 3:33 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Er, “steel-cased”, not “stell-cased.”


  18. 18 | February 7, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    $ 0.76/round. I mis-remembered.

    http://www.luckygunner.com/30-06-145-gr-fmj-wolf-500-rounds


  19. Tanker
    19 | February 7, 2013 3:36 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    LuckyGunner had Wolf .30-06 online yesterday for roughly $ 0.50/round. Okay, it’s stell-cased and Berdan-primed, but it shoots.
    Those numbers in that article ARE from official sources — this stuff is all put out to bid and it’s all available online. See the links in the story.

    I have some of that, but my Mouser hates it or any steel cased ammo!


  20. lobo91
    20 | February 7, 2013 3:37 pm

    I’m not aware of any federal law enforcement agencies that would use .30-06 for anything. The only rifle calibers they’d use would be .223 and .308.


  21. Tanker
    21 | February 7, 2013 3:39 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Tanker:
    LuckyGunner had Wolf .30-06 online yesterday for roughly $ 0.50/round. Okay, it’s stell-cased and Berdan-primed, but it shoots.
    Those numbers in that article ARE from official sources — this stuff is all put out to bid and it’s all available online. See the links in the story.

    I have some of that, but my Mouser hates it or any steel cased ammo!

    Crap..my Mauser, not mouser


  22. lobo91
    22 | February 7, 2013 3:40 pm

    Obama: “I Often Search Scripture To Figure Out How I Can Be A Better Man And President”…

    I would hate to be standing close to him when he says things like that. A stray lightning bolt would really mess up your day…


  23. lobo91
    23 | February 7, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Crap..my Mauser, not mouser

    I’ve never seen a cat chambered for .30-06…
    //


  24. 24 | February 7, 2013 3:41 pm

    This guy will be the new Leftist icon.

    Suspected Mass-Murderer’s Manifesto Endorses Hillary, Obama, Gun Control, Elite Media


  25. 25 | February 7, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Which scripture? The Koran or The Communist Manifesto?


  26. Tanker
    26 | February 7, 2013 3:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    Crap..my Mauser, not mouser
    I’ve never seen a cat chambered for .30-06…
    //

    Touche…

    You know anything about the Mauser model 66. I may be able to pick one up. I have a K98 and love it!


  27. lobo91
    27 | February 7, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ Tanker:

    You know anything about the Mauser model 66. I may be able to pick one up. I have a K98 and love it!

    Sorry, no. Not really my area of expertise.


  28. lobo91
    28 | February 7, 2013 3:51 pm

    FNC really needs to stop showing file footage of a Shadow UAV during discussions of the CIA’s drone assassination program.

    Shadows are unarmed low-altitude recon drones used primarily by the Army.


  29. Tanker
    29 | February 7, 2013 3:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This guy will be the new Leftist icon.
    Suspected Mass-Murderer’s Manifesto Endorses Hillary, Obama, Gun Control, Elite Media

    You forgot the ass Piers Morgan. Shouldn’t old Piers be held partly responsible for all this….following Piers own logic of course!


  30. 30 | February 7, 2013 3:53 pm

    @ Rodan:

    We’ll never hear about this guy from the MFM. He’ll just disappear, like the Ft. Hood shooter. He doesn’t fit the pattern they want us to see, so he doesn’t get reported as news.


  31. Tanker
    31 | February 7, 2013 3:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    FNC really needs to stop showing file footage of a Shadow UAV during discussions of the CIA’s drone assassination program.
    Shadows are unarmed low-altitude recon drones used primarily by the Army.

    FNC’s research department doesn’t seem to have the sharpest people on many stories lately.


  32. lobo91
    32 | February 7, 2013 3:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    We’ll never hear about this guy from the MFM. He’ll just disappear, like the Ft. Hood shooter. He doesn’t fit the pattern they want us to see, so he doesn’t get reported as news.

    His picture has already been on the news, so they can’t pretend that he’s a white guy.


  33. MikeA
    33 | February 7, 2013 3:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Even on FNC, you can’t expect journalism majors to actually know anything…


  34. lobo91
    34 | February 7, 2013 3:57 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Next, they’ll probably show a Raven.

    //targeted killing of squirrels


  35. 35 | February 7, 2013 3:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It will be like it never happened!


  36. 36 | February 7, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Rules do not apply for the Left.


  37. 37 | February 7, 2013 4:00 pm

    @ lobo91:

    He will either disappear from the news or become a cultural icon for the Left.


  38. heysoos
    38 | February 7, 2013 4:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    It will be like it never happened!

    was KSM tried, convicted and executed?…I missed it


  39. lobo91
    39 | February 7, 2013 4:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    It will be like it never happened!
    was KSM tried, convicted and executed?…I missed it

    He’s still sitting at Gitmo, because Congress kept Holder from having him tried in NYC, after which he probably would have been acquitted and released.


  40. heysoos
    40 | February 7, 2013 4:06 pm

    President Obama?…
    “PRESENT!!”


  41. brookly red
    41 | February 7, 2013 4:35 pm

    oh damn… it seems the 2 shot in LA were women delivering newspapers.


  42. coldwarrior
    42 | February 7, 2013 4:40 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    oh damn… it seems the 2 shot in LA were women delivering newspapers.

    WTF is the matter with the lapd?

    this is absurd.


  43. RIX
    43 | February 7, 2013 4:40 pm

    Blake Griffin @BasedGeezy

    Yo real shit this Christopher Dorner is a real ass nigga man I respect him
    6:20 PM -- 07 Feb 13
    ReplyRetweetFavorite

    This is just a sample of the tweets that intellectuals are putting out about
    Dorner.
    They are all down with the guy & want da Bama phone.


  44. brookly red
    45 | February 7, 2013 4:43 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    oh damn… it seems the 2 shot in LA were women delivering newspapers.

    WTF is the matter with the lapd?

    this is absurd.

    I suppose there are some 350 pound women over 6 feet tall, but I think maybe the cop(s) didn’t do such a good job of IDing the trarget…

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

    look at the photo they just shot the truck up from behind.


  45. coldwarrior
    46 | February 7, 2013 4:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    oh damn… it seems the 2 shot in LA were women delivering newspapers.

    i am counting at least 25-30 bullet holes in the back of their pickup!


  46. heysoos
    47 | February 7, 2013 4:46 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    oh damn… it seems the 2 shot in LA were women delivering newspapers.

    i am counting at least 25-30 bullet holes in the back of their pickup!

    what a way to bag a few million dollars


  47. brookly red
    48 | February 7, 2013 4:47 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    oh damn… it seems the 2 shot in LA were women delivering newspapers.

    i am counting at least 25-30 bullet holes in the back of their pickup!

    fortunately both will be OK… I wonder how much the jury will award them?


  48. coldwarrior
    49 | February 7, 2013 4:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    oh damn… it seems the 2 shot in LA were women delivering newspapers.
    i am counting at least 25-30 bullet holes in the back of their pickup!

    what a way to bag a few million dollars

    i hate cops. seriously. i have zero respect for the police. i used to be one, i know what goes on.


  49. coldwarrior
    50 | February 7, 2013 4:50 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ brookly red:

    the lapd wants this guy dead. i wonder what he knows?


  50. brookly red
    51 | February 7, 2013 4:53 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ brookly red:

    the lapd wants this guy dead. i wonder what he knows?

    /// where the birth certificate is :)


  51. Bumr50
    52 | February 7, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    PITTSBURGH —

    Obama Academy basketball players, students and parents rallied Thursday and demanded answers as to why their basketball coach was ousted.

    Students at the Obama Academy march for fairness!!

    ht-WPXI


  52. lobo91
    53 | February 7, 2013 5:08 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    I’ll bet they had to show their birth certificates to get in…


  53. coldwarrior
    54 | February 7, 2013 5:08 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    PITTSBURGH —
    Obama Academy basketball players, students and parents rallied Thursday and demanded answers as to why their basketball coach was ousted.
    Students at the Obama Academy march for fairness!!
    ht-WPXI

    looks like there was some tribal warfare at da hoops game.

    werd.


  54. RIX
    57 | February 7, 2013 5:21 pm

    No Word from Hillary During Benghazi Attack
    Panetta, Dempsey did not speak to Clinton.
    12:55 PM, FEB 7, 2013 • BY MICHAEL WARREN Single PagePrintLarger TextSmaller TextAlerts
    Neither the secretary of defense nor the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff spoke to the secretary of state during the 8-hour attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. At a Thursday hearing in the Senate, Republican Ted Cruz asked both Leon Panetta and Martin Dempsey, “In between 9:42 p.m., Benghazi time, when the first attacks started, and 5:15 am, when Mr. Doherty and Mr. Woods lost their lives, what converations did either of you have with Secretary Clinton?”

    “We did not have any conversations with Secretary Clinton,” Panetta responded.

    WTF?


  55. lobo91
    58 | February 7, 2013 5:24 pm

    @ RIX:

    You seem surprised


  56. brookly red
    59 | February 7, 2013 5:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    No Word from Hillary During Benghazi Attack
    Panetta, Dempsey did not speak to Clinton.
    12:55 PM, FEB 7, 2013 • BY MICHAEL WARREN Single PagePrintLarger TextSmaller TextAlerts
    Neither the secretary of defense nor the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff spoke to the secretary of state during the 8-hour attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. At a Thursday hearing in the Senate, Republican Ted Cruz asked both Leon Panetta and Martin Dempsey, “In between 9:42 p.m., Benghazi time, when the first attacks started, and 5:15 am, when Mr. Doherty and Mr. Woods lost their lives, what converations did either of you have with Secretary Clinton?”

    “We did not have any conversations with Secretary Clinton,” Panetta responded.

    WTF?

    so much for answering the red phone at 2:00 AM…


  57. brookly red
    60 | February 7, 2013 5:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    No Word from Hillary During Benghazi Attack
    Panetta, Dempsey did not speak to Clinton.
    12:55 PM, FEB 7, 2013 • BY MICHAEL WARREN Single PagePrintLarger TextSmaller TextAlerts
    Neither the secretary of defense nor the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff spoke to the secretary of state during the 8-hour attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012. At a Thursday hearing in the Senate, Republican Ted Cruz asked both Leon Panetta and Martin Dempsey, “In between 9:42 p.m., Benghazi time, when the first attacks started, and 5:15 am, when Mr. Doherty and Mr. Woods lost their lives, what converations did either of you have with Secretary Clinton?”

    “We did not have any conversations with Secretary Clinton,” Panetta responded.

    WTF?

    also good… “Why didn’t you put forces in place to be ready to respond?,” Senator John McCain asked the general.

    Dempsey started, “Because we never received a request to do so, number one. And number two, we --”

    McCain iterrupted, “You never heard of Ambassador Stevens’s repeated warnings?”

    “I had, through General Ham,” responded Dempsey, referring to the commander of AFRICOM. “But we never received a request for support from the State Department, which would have allowed us to put forces--”
    “So it’s the State Department’s fault?”

    “I’m not blaming the State Department,” Dempsey responded.


  58. heysoos
    61 | February 7, 2013 5:32 pm

    present!
    what difference does it make?
    common sense solutions
    I remember that I do not recall


  59. The Osprey
    62 | February 7, 2013 5:32 pm

    This guy Horner is weapons grade crazy.


  60. RIX
    63 | February 7, 2013 5:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    You seem surprised

    A little bit. These people need to red the employee handbook,/


  61. brookly red
    64 | February 7, 2013 5:34 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    present!
    what difference does it make?
    common sense solutions
    I remember that I do not recall

    what are you running for?


  62. RIX
    65 | February 7, 2013 5:35 pm

    so much for answering the red phone at 2:00 AM

    Really.


  63. RIX
    66 | February 7, 2013 5:36 pm

    @ brookly red:
    These people are a mess top to bottom.


  64. heysoos
    67 | February 7, 2013 5:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    present!
    what difference does it make?
    common sense solutions
    I remember that I do not recall

    what are you running for?

    Choomer in Chief


  65. brookly red
    68 | February 7, 2013 5:39 pm

    Re: Benghazi:

    I heard Rush ask today why did the CIA guy light up the bad guy with a targeting laser (exposing his position and getting him self killed doing so)IF he did not think the was an air craft in position to respond?


  66. brookly red
    69 | February 7, 2013 5:39 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    present!
    what difference does it make?
    common sense solutions
    I remember that I do not recall

    what are you running for?

    Choomer in Chief

    if I vote for you can I have a phone?


  67. brookly red
    70 | February 7, 2013 5:40 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    present!
    what difference does it make?
    common sense solutions
    I remember that I do not recall

    what are you running for?

    Choomer in Chief

    if I vote for you can I have a phone?

    AND a pizza?


  68. heysoos
    71 | February 7, 2013 5:41 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Re: Benghazi:
    I heard Rush ask today why did the CIA guy light up the bad guy with a targeting laser (exposing his position and getting him self killed doing so)IF he did not think the was an air craft in position to respond?

    apparently there was a CID drone, armed, in the vicinity…so combine the DoD, CIA and State and you have an automatic clusterfuck….there was no legit reason to even have these people on station let alone playing games with each other


  69. heysoos
    72 | February 7, 2013 5:42 pm

    FREE BONGS!!


  70. heysoos
    73 | February 7, 2013 5:44 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    This guy Horner is weapons grade crazy.

    he can disguise himself as two women at once…pretty clever


  71. brookly red
    74 | February 7, 2013 5:45 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Re: Benghazi:
    I heard Rush ask today why did the CIA guy light up the bad guy with a targeting laser (exposing his position and getting him self killed doing so)IF he did not think the was an air craft in position to respond?

    apparently there was a CID drone, armed, in the vicinity…so combine the DoD, CIA and State and you have an automatic clusterfuck….there was no legit reason to even have these people on station let alone playing games with each other

    wait till they run healthcare…

    “and why didn’t you help the patient?”

    “I asked him twice to fill out the proper form but all he did was bleed…”


  72. RIX
    75 | February 7, 2013 5:46 pm

    apparently there was a CID drone, armed, in the vicinity…so combine the DoD, CIA and State and you have an automatic clusterfuck….there was no legit reason to even have these people on station let alone playing games with each other@ heysoos:

    The real story here would probably make your teeth itch.
    I doubt that we will ever have the truth.


  73. heysoos
    76 | February 7, 2013 5:47 pm

    fellow brotha clobbers BO at the prayer meetin…
    I gotta see the tape
    http://www.humanevents.com/2013/02/07/dr-carson-hits-a-grand-slam/


  74. lobo91
    77 | February 7, 2013 5:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Re: Benghazi:
    I heard Rush ask today why did the CIA guy light up the bad guy with a targeting laser (exposing his position and getting him self killed doing so)IF he did not think the was an air craft in position to respond?

    When did anyone establish that any such laser designators were in use?

    And this is the first I’ve heard of the attackers using night vision equipment, which is the only way they would have seen such a laser.


  75. brookly red
    78 | February 7, 2013 5:48 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    This guy Horner is weapons grade crazy.

    “…You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama.” yup that is certifiable…


  76. heysoos
    79 | February 7, 2013 5:49 pm

    @ RIX:
    I still say that the truth will come out…I never claimed there would be reprisals, but the truth will be exposed, slow but sure


  77. brookly red
    80 | February 7, 2013 5:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Re: Benghazi:
    I heard Rush ask today why did the CIA guy light up the bad guy with a targeting laser (exposing his position and getting him self killed doing so)IF he did not think the was an air craft in position to respond?

    When did anyone establish that any such laser designators were in use?

    And this is the first I’ve heard of the attackers using night vision equipment, which is the only way they would have seen such a laser.

    I remember reading they had 2 types… lemmie googel


  78. brookly red
    81 | February 7, 2013 5:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Re: Benghazi:
    I heard Rush ask today why did the CIA guy light up the bad guy with a targeting laser (exposing his position and getting him self killed doing so)IF he did not think the was an air craft in position to respond?

    When did anyone establish that any such laser designators were in use?

    And this is the first I’ve heard of the attackers using night vision equipment, which is the only way they would have seen such a laser.

    her you go… http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/04/what-laser-capability-did-benghazi-team-have/ If you don’t like Fox there are hundreds of others.


  79. heysoos
    82 | February 7, 2013 5:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Re: Benghazi:
    I heard Rush ask today why did the CIA guy light up the bad guy with a targeting laser (exposing his position and getting him self killed doing so)IF he did not think the was an air craft in position to respond?
    When did anyone establish that any such laser designators were in use?
    And this is the first I’ve heard of the attackers using night vision equipment, which is the only way they would have seen such a laser.

    I read that somewhere back at the beginning…just another rumor at the time


  80. lobo91
    83 | February 7, 2013 5:53 pm

    @ brookly red:

    her you go… http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/04/what-laser-capability-did-benghazi-team-have/ If you don’t like Fox there are hundreds of others.

    All of which quote each other’s rumors.


  81. lobo91
    84 | February 7, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I read that somewhere back at the beginning…just another rumor at the time

    90% of what “everyone knows” happened that night is unsubstantiated rumor, dreamed up by people who have read too many Tom Clancy novels.


  82. The Osprey
  83. RIX
    86 | February 7, 2013 5:58 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I still say that the truth will come out…I never claimed there would be reprisals, but the truth will be exposed, slow but sure

    Let’s hope so. Those guys that died that night deserve the truth to come out.


  84. heysoos
    87 | February 7, 2013 5:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I read that somewhere back at the beginning…just another rumor at the time
    90% of what “everyone knows” happened that night is unsubstantiated rumor, dreamed up by people who have read too many Tom Clancy novels.

    that’s the point…it’s only fair that we citizens know everything that went down and why…we deserve an honest timeline, capabilities and decisions made at the WH


  85. lobo91
    88 | February 7, 2013 6:00 pm

    RIX wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ RIX:
    I still say that the truth will come out…I never claimed there would be reprisals, but the truth will be exposed, slow but sure
    Let’s hope so. Those guys that died that night deserve the truth to come out.

    It’ll come out about the time the truth about the JFK assassination does.


  86. brookly red
    89 | February 7, 2013 6:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    I read that somewhere back at the beginning…just another rumor at the time

    90% of what “everyone knows” happened that night is unsubstantiated rumor, dreamed up by people who have read too many Tom Clancy novels.

    It could be true or not… but something went wrong for sure.


  87. lobo91
    90 | February 7, 2013 6:02 pm

    @ heysoos:

    that’s the point…it’s only fair that we citizens know everything that went down and why…we deserve an honest timeline, capabilities and decisions made at the WH

    You ceased being a citizen in January of 2009.

    “The most transparent administration ever!”
    //


  88. RIX
    91 | February 7, 2013 6:03 pm

    It’ll come out about the time the truth about the JFK assassination does.
    @ lobo91:

    I’m pretty sure that OJ was behind the grassy Knool./


  89. brookly red
    92 | February 7, 2013 6:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “The most transparent administration ever!”
    //

    well in a way they are. and not a good way.


  90. heysoos
    93 | February 7, 2013 6:03 pm

    when I’m elected Choomander in Chief, I’m going need to pass legislation allowing me to waterboard….whoever I want, for any reason


  91. lobo91
    94 | February 7, 2013 6:03 pm

    @ brookly red:

    It could be true or not…

    I think that’s pretty much the definition of a rumor.

    but something went wrong for sure.

    That depends on what the original plan was, doesn’t it?


  92. lobo91
    95 | February 7, 2013 6:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    It’ll come out about the time the truth about the JFK assassination does.
    @ lobo91:
    I’m pretty sure that OJ was behind the grassy Knool./

    I’m leaning toward Arlen Specter, personally.

    He’s the only person on earth who actually believed his “magic bullet” theory, after all.


  93. RIX
    96 | February 7, 2013 6:04 pm

    that’s the point…it’s only fair that we citizens know everything that went down and why…we deserve an honest timeline, capabilities and decisions made at

    Have you noticed that none of the survivors are being made available
    to talk?


  94. brookly red
    97 | February 7, 2013 6:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That depends on what the original plan was, doesn’t it?

    well the night it happened I said it was a set up and got laughed at…


  95. heysoos
    98 | February 7, 2013 6:07 pm

    RIX wrote:

    that’s the point…it’s only fair that we citizens know everything that went down and why…we deserve an honest timeline, capabilities and decisions made at
    Have you noticed that none of the survivors are being made available
    to talk?

    disappeared to Argentina?


  96. lobo91
    99 | February 7, 2013 6:08 pm

    @ RIX:

    Have you noticed that none of the survivors are being made available to talk?

    While the FBI hasn’t gotten around to investigating the scene yet, they are pretty good at keeping people quiet.


  97. RIX
    100 | February 7, 2013 6:08 pm

    In his testimony Panetta said that we should not expect the Military to respond
    within minutes.
    That’s a straw man, nobody suggested minutes.


  98. brookly red
    101 | February 7, 2013 6:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    that’s the point…it’s only fair that we citizens know everything that went down and why…we deserve an honest timeline, capabilities and decisions made at

    Have you noticed that none of the survivors are being made available
    to talk?

    when they do talk they will have very dilated pupils, drool and praise O’s policies


  99. RIX
    102 | February 7, 2013 6:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Have you noticed that none of the survivors are being made available to talk?

    While the FBI hasn’t gotten around to investigating the scene yet, they are pretty good at keeping people quiet.

    And it’s working well.


  100. lobo91
    103 | February 7, 2013 6:09 pm

    AFL-CIO To Launch 14-City Campaign To Build Support For Obama’s Amnesty Plans…

    What, exactly, do union members gain by having millions of low-skilled Mexicans added to the legal work force?


  101. brookly red
    104 | February 7, 2013 6:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    AFL-CIO To Launch 14-City Campaign To Build Support For Obama’s Amnesty Plans…

    What, exactly, do union members gain by having millions of low-skilled Mexicans added to the legal work force?

    GM


  102. heysoos
    105 | February 7, 2013 6:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    AFL-CIO To Launch 14-City Campaign To Build Support For Obama’s Amnesty Plans…
    What, exactly, do union members gain by having millions of low-skilled Mexicans added to the legal work force?

    to unionize them…fatten the ranks


  103. 106 | February 7, 2013 6:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    And they shot into both the passenger side and the driver’s side of the back. Way to target the lone gunman:roll:


  104. RIX
    107 | February 7, 2013 6:12 pm

    when they do talk they will have very dilated pupils, drool and praise O’s policies
    @ brookly red:

    “President Obama is the finest person that In have ever met & he loves
    all of the people” repeat , repeat , repeat


  105. lobo91
    108 | February 7, 2013 6:13 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The only people gaining anything from that would be the union leadership, which was my point.

    The entire reason labor unions exist is to limit the supply of labor.


  106. lobo91
    109 | February 7, 2013 6:15 pm

    White House: No More Information About Drone Killings Will Be Released To The Public…

    However, a new free app will be released for the Obamaphone to remind you when Honey Boo Boo is on…


  107. Guggi
    110 | February 7, 2013 6:15 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Crap..my Mauser, not mouser

    Ahh….

    Maus (German) = mouse (English)

    Mauser = mouser :-P


  108. brookly red
    111 | February 7, 2013 6:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    White House: No More Information About Drone Killings Will Be Released To The Public…

    However, a new free app will be released for the Obamaphone to remind you when Honey Boo Boo is on…

    well maybe al jizz will run it…


  109. heysoos
    112 | February 7, 2013 6:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    The only people gaining anything from that would be the union leadership, which was my point.
    The entire reason labor unions exist is to limit the supply of labor.

    the unions know this is coming and simply want to be in the loop…they will create jobs that pay dues and vote accordingly


  110. RIX
    113 | February 7, 2013 6:18 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    AFL-CIO To Launch 14-City Campaign To Build Support For Obama’s Amnesty Plans…
    What, exactly, do union members gain by having millions of low-skilled Mexicans added to the legal work force?

    to unionize them…fatten the ranks

    And they’re going to need members to pass the poverty test to qualify
    for the ObamaCare subsidy.
    Trumpka & the other genieuses have realized that ObamaCare can
    bust their Health & Welfare funds


  111. brookly red
    114 | February 7, 2013 6:18 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Tanker wrote:

    Crap..my Mauser, not mouser

    Ahh….

    Maus (German) = mouse (English)

    Mauser = mouser

    no one needs 8 shots to kill a mouse!


  112. Guggi
    115 | February 7, 2013 6:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    His picture has already been on the news, so they can’t pretend that he’s a white guy.

    But does he look as he could be O.’s son ?


  113. heysoos
    116 | February 7, 2013 6:19 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    Tanker wrote:
    Crap..my Mauser, not mouser
    Ahh….
    Maus (German) = mouse (English)
    Mauser = mouser

    no one needs 8 shots to kill a mouse!

    I can shoot a sparrow with a bow and arrow…
    I can shoot a partridge with a single cartridge


  114. lobo91
    117 | February 7, 2013 6:19 pm

    @ brookly red:

    no one needs 8 shots to kill a mouse!

    Obama might…


  115. brookly red
    118 | February 7, 2013 6:21 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    His picture has already been on the news, so they can’t pretend that he’s a white guy.

    But does he look as he could be O.’s son ?

    More like Mochelle’s sister…


  116. brookly red
    119 | February 7, 2013 6:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    no one needs 8 shots to kill a mouse!

    Obama might…

    it did take 3 for Carter to off the rabbit…


  117. RIX
    120 | February 7, 2013 6:25 pm

    MILLCREEK — A man who attempted to rob a convenience store left empty handed after a clerk surprised him with a gun.

    Those evil guns.


  118. brookly red
    121 | February 7, 2013 6:26 pm

    RIX wrote:

    MILLCREEK — A man who attempted to rob a convenience store left empty handed after a clerk surprised him with a gun.

    Those evil guns.

    they really are an obstacle to redistribution…


  119. RIX
    122 | February 7, 2013 6:28 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Wait a minute. Since Obama has started shooting, there has not been
    one credible report of a skeet attack.


  120. brookly red
    123 | February 7, 2013 6:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Wait a minute. Since Obama has started shooting, there has not been
    one credible report of a skeet attack.

    I would think he would like guns… hey he likes drones.


  121. RIX
    124 | February 7, 2013 6:31 pm

    they really are an obstacle to redistribution…@ brookly red:

    That’s what I was thinking. This yoot was just trying to do an equitable
    redistribution.
    In the alternative, he thought that it was just like an ATM withdrawl.


  122. RIX
    125 | February 7, 2013 6:33 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Wait a minute. Since Obama has started shooting, there has not been
    one credible report of a skeet attack.

    I would think he would like guns… hey he likes drones.

    He likes drones because us rabble can’t have one.


  123. Guggi
    126 | February 7, 2013 6:33 pm

    @ RIX:

    Clinton is a liar and Dempsey and Panetta are incompetent idiots:

    Dempsey identified the challenge to protect U.S. diplomatic assets abroad noting he was responsible for American facilities in Afghanistan, Yemen, Sudan, Pakistan, and other locations in the Islamic world. He said he knew about threats to Benghazi from AFRICOM Commander General Carter Ham, “But we never received a request for support from the State Department, which would have allowed us to put forces.” Dempsey went on to say, “Unfortunately, there was no specific intelligence or indications of an imminent attack on that -- U.S. facilities in Benghazi. And frankly without an adequate warning, there was not enough time given the speed of the attack for armed military assets to respond.”Panetta defended the Defense Department’s actions the day of the attack, specifically citing the response of military assets in the region.

    “Time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved very quickly on the ground prevented a more immediate response” Panetta claimed. He continued by saying the Pentagon “spared no effort … to save American lives.” Panetta also cited arming weapons, aerial refueling assets, and accurate targeting information could have taken hours to gather and deploy.

    More than seven hours isn’t enough time ? “Events moved quickly on the ground?” The two ex-Navy-seals begged for seven hours for help, you criminal.


  124. brookly red
    127 | February 7, 2013 6:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    they really are an obstacle to redistribution…@ brookly red:

    That’s what I was thinking. This yoot was just trying to do an equitable
    redistribution.
    In the alternative, he thought that it was just like an ATM withdrawl.

    we really need to back to hanging thieves…


  125. RIX
    128 | February 7, 2013 6:36 pm

    Blake Griffin @BasedGeezy

    Yo real shit this Christopher Dorner is a real ass nigga man I respect him
    6:20 PM -- 07 Feb 13
    2 RETWEETS ReplyRetweetFavorite

    Lots of yoots for Obama down with Dorner.


  126. brookly red
    129 | February 7, 2013 6:36 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    and accurate targeting information could have taken hours to gather and deploy.

    they didn’t where their own safehouse was?

    Here is an idea, go THERE and kill the people shooting at IT.


  127. 130 | February 7, 2013 6:37 pm

    New Thread.


  128. brookly red
    131 | February 7, 2013 6:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Blake Griffin @BasedGeezy

    Yo real shit this Christopher Dorner is a real ass nigga man I respect him
    6:20 PM — 07 Feb 13
    2 RETWEETS ReplyRetweetFavorite

    Lots of yoots for Obama down with Dorner.

    don’t worry hollywood is already working on the movie (Wesley plays Doner)… they just haven’t figured out the ending yet.


  129. RIX
    132 | February 7, 2013 6:40 pm

    More than seven hours isn’t enough time ? “Events moved quickly on the ground?” The two ex-Navy-seals begged for seven hours for help, you criminal.@ Guggi:

    I agree with you Guggi. They screwed this up & now they are circling the
    wagons.
    Malfeasance & misfeasance all over the place.


  130. RIX
    133 | February 7, 2013 6:41 pm

    don’t worry hollywood is already working on the movie (Wesley plays Doner)… they just haven’t figured out the ending yet.
    @ brookly red:

    That is actually not far fetched.


  131. lobo91
    134 | February 7, 2013 6:42 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Dempsey has nothing to do with it. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs isn’t part of the operational chain of command.

    Panetta is, though.

    Without presidential approval to move forces into Libya, though, it’s all moot.


  132. lobo91
    135 | February 7, 2013 6:45 pm

    Nanny State Mayor Bloomberg Looks To Ban Styrofoam Cups…

    First he dictated the size of our cups — now he wants to ban what they’re made of.

    The Bloomberg administration is considering banning Styrofoam cups and containers — popular at thousands of delis and food carts across the city— as it prepares to roll out a major recycling announcement in the coming weeks, a Sanitation Department official said yesterday.


  133. Guggi
    136 | February 7, 2013 6:48 pm

    @ RIX:
    I have more respect for the Turkish military brass than for the U.S.A. one. When the Turkish generals were forced to accept certain things they retired while the American ones are cowards, opportunists, sycophants and pussies. Shame on Dempsey.


  134. Guggi
    137 | February 7, 2013 6:50 pm

    and btw.: Dempsey is so fugly he should wear a mask in public.


  135. RIX
    138 | February 7, 2013 8:45 pm

    @ Guggi:
    Good point.


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