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Canadian Anti-Zombie OOT

by Macker ( 103 Comments › )
Filed under Canada, Humor, OOT at February 15th, 2013 - 9:00 pm

This is for:/C’est pour:
Alberta Oil Peon, Paladin Phil, Moe Katz, yenta-fada,
and any other Canadian members here I may have inadvertently left out./et tous les autres membres canadiens ici j’ai peut-être oublié par inadvertance.
Their Tax Dollars at work, eh/Leurs impôts au travail, eh:

It’s the Overnight Open Thread!/Il s’agit de la Discussion Nuit Ouverte!

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  1. Moe Katz
    1 | February 15, 2013 9:17 pm

    Ha, where did you find that?


  2. Tanker
    3 | February 15, 2013 9:32 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Feb. 13, 2013 — A team of political scientists and neuroscientists has shown that liberals and conservatives use different parts of the brain when they make risky decisions, and these regions can be used to predict which political party a person prefers. The new study suggests that while genetics or parental influence may play a significant role, being a Republican or Democrat changes how the brain functions.

    When will this study start being used in abortion clinics…fraud in elections could be stopped in it’s tracks, no ID needed we’re all liberals now!! Although I doubt the right would be happy with outcome.


  3. whosoever
    4 | February 15, 2013 9:33 pm

    The Science is settled.


  4. Moe Katz
    5 | February 15, 2013 9:34 pm

    Political Views Are Reflected in Brain Structure

    Apr. 7, 2011 — We all know that people at opposite ends of the political spectrum often really can’t see eye to eye. Now, a new report published online on April 7th in Current Biology, reveals that those differences in political orientation are tied to differences in the very structures of our brains.


  5. Da_Beerfreak
    6 | February 15, 2013 9:37 pm

    whosoever wrote:

    The Science is settled.

    That Science is most unsettling. :shock:


  6. Moe Katz
    7 | February 15, 2013 9:38 pm

    @ whosoever:
    Political Views Are Reflected in Brain Structure

    Apr. 7, 2011 — We all know that people at opposite ends of the political spectrum often really can’t see eye to eye. Now, a new report published online on April 7th in Current Biology, reveals that those differences in political orientation are tied to differences in the very structures of our brains.


  7. Tanker
    8 | February 15, 2013 9:39 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    whosoever wrote:
    The Science is settled.

    That Science is most unsettling.

    No truer statement!


  8. whosoever
    9 | February 15, 2013 9:39 pm

    After all, the brain is just a spongy broth of neurotransmitters and bizarrely connected cells. And this is an actual brain saying this.


  9. whosoever
    10 | February 15, 2013 9:40 pm

    typing this


  10. Moe Katz
    11 | February 15, 2013 9:40 pm

    Here’s the link intended for my previous post.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110407121337.htm


  11. Calo
    12 | February 15, 2013 9:48 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    Fascinating Moe.

    So, the Republicans use the fight or flight (amygdala) part of their brain more than Libs.

    And, Liberals use the social and self-awareness (insula) region more than Repubs.


  12. Moe Katz
    13 | February 15, 2013 9:52 pm

    @ Calo:
    I wonder if all the mindfulness meditation isn’t shifting me a bit to the left these days. Those are the brain structures it modifies.


  13. heysoos
    14 | February 15, 2013 10:14 pm

    are the Stones in town?
    quiet around here


  14. Calo
    15 | February 15, 2013 10:19 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    I was just reading up on its role in addiction to substances or behaviors vs the old theory that dopamine played.


  15. Moe Katz
    16 | February 15, 2013 10:22 pm

    @ Calo:
    Sounds interesting. Link?


  16. 17 | February 15, 2013 10:28 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    You’re welcome Moe, eh!


  17. coldwarrior
    18 | February 15, 2013 10:28 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Here’s the link intended for my previous post.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110407121337.htm

    the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say.

    liberals deal with conflicting information (cognitive dissonance) by ignoring it.

    i need to see the guts of this study to check validity.


  18. coldwarrior
    19 | February 15, 2013 10:30 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    are the Stones in town?
    quiet around here

    just got back from dealing with brains all day.

    i am needing some bob.


  19. Calo
    20 | February 15, 2013 10:31 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    I started googling various stuff from this part in wiki. Yes, wiki.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_cortex#Addiction

    But, oh lookie -- the Professor, CW, is here tonight!

    He’s the neuro expert. Neuro stuff scares me.


  20. Calo
    21 | February 15, 2013 10:35 pm

    And, with haysoos here posting some Stones, a fire on the patio beckoning me and a long week over with, I’m turning my brain to the OFF position tonight.

    Moe, if you find any good articles, post them or email ‘em off to me, please.


  21. coldwarrior
    22 | February 15, 2013 10:36 pm

    Calo wrote:

    He’s the neuro expert. Neuro stuff scares me.

    neuro is easy. endocrine, now there is complex voodoo there.

    jeeze, we were freeaking cardiac this AM, 3 patients all went sideways, weinkeback into a LBB and back out, another had a hell of a run of atrial tachy (yes, atrial! in some nasty ectopic conduction loop) he hit 240 right in front of me, then another got a MET called on her as she got ST elevations and went tachy (she had a heart attack)


  22. coldwarrior
    23 | February 15, 2013 10:37 pm

    Calo wrote:

    a fire on the patio beckoning me

    its snowing here. i miss the expansive decks outside.

    soon…soon…


  23. mawskrat
    24 | February 15, 2013 10:37 pm

    did some one mention zombie??
    Zomby Woof/


  24. heysoos
    25 | February 15, 2013 10:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    a fire on the patio beckoning me
    its snowing here. i miss the expansive decks outside.
    soon…soon…

    rain is a novelty in ABQ…when it rains especially hard kids go skateboarding, couples walk the dog, just to stand in it…


  25. Calo
    26 | February 15, 2013 10:44 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Neuro/Endrocrine, meh all interconnected -- all Greek.

    Now, give me some of that nasty cardiac stuff, and I’m right at home.

    The Wenckebach to a Left Bundle Branch Block being a favorite type of mine. :smile:


  26. coldwarrior
    27 | February 15, 2013 10:44 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    nice.


  27. coldwarrior
    28 | February 15, 2013 10:44 pm

    Calo wrote:

    The Wenckebach to a Left Bundle Branch Block being a favorite type of mine. :smile:

    :lol:

    i thought of you.


  28. coldwarrior
    29 | February 15, 2013 10:45 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    rain is a novelty in ABQ…when it rains especially hard kids go skateboarding, couples walk the dog, just to stand in it…

    we are awash in water.

    more than we could ever use.


  29. coldwarrior
    30 | February 15, 2013 10:52 pm


  30. Calo
    31 | February 15, 2013 10:57 pm

    Nice to see some decent debate still going on on this morning’s thread.


  31. citizen_q
    32 | February 15, 2013 10:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    All sounds very scary to this layman, and gives me perspective as I recover from my latest hand surgery yesterday. Carpel tunnel and A1 pulley release on 2 fingers.


  32. coldwarrior
    33 | February 15, 2013 10:59 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    All sounds very scary to this layman, and gives me perspective as I recover from my latest hand surgery yesterday. Carpel tunnel and A1 pulley release on 2 fingers.

    hehe.

    i had bilateral release in the wrists and elbows. good stuff.


  33. citizen_q
    34 | February 15, 2013 11:06 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Post surgical pain is less than the pain I was in before.

    Had the same surgery on the other hand 10 months ago.


  34. coldwarrior
    35 | February 15, 2013 11:08 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Post surgical pain is less than the pain I was in before.
    Had the same surgery on the other hand 10 months ago.

    best stuff ever.


  35. coldwarrior
    36 | February 15, 2013 11:09 pm


  36. The Osprey
    37 | February 15, 2013 11:12 pm

    So, they have Zombies in Canada? Haitian immigrants must have imported them to Montreal.


  37. mawskrat
    38 | February 15, 2013 11:14 pm

    mmmmm..just finished some lamb Vindaloo with some great
    Naan…life is good!!


  38. The Osprey
    39 | February 15, 2013 11:16 pm

    Now here’s a little ditty named for one of my favorite William Gibson short stories:
    The Hippie Hat Brain Parasite

    Enjoy.


  39. Moe Katz
    40 | February 15, 2013 11:19 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    So, they have Zombies in Canada? Haitian immigrants must have imported them to Montreal.

    Zombies are silent. Since it is necessary to speak French, they are not welcome here.


  40. 41 | February 15, 2013 11:26 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    mmmmm..just finished some lamb Vindaloo with some great
    Naan…life is good!!

    Sounds delicious. I bought some Vindaloo seasoning at Penzy’s a while back because it smelled delicious- kinda sweet. Haven’t used it yet, still sitting in the cabinet. I’ll have to!


  41. mawskrat
    42 | February 15, 2013 11:28 pm

    do coneheads come from France?


  42. coldwarrior
    43 | February 15, 2013 11:33 pm

    mawskrat wrote:

    mmmmm..just finished some lamb Vindaloo with some great
    Naan…life is good!!

    sounds like my house!


  43. 44 | February 15, 2013 11:38 pm

    What do former world famous Rock Stars drink on their 52 birthday? Earl Gray Tea, (With milk and sugar)… Somewhere Irony is shaking her head and wondering if she can get a refund… :twisted:


  44. Calo
    45 | February 15, 2013 11:41 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Happy Birthday Dorian.

    Are you suffering from the flu still? :mrgreen:


  45. The Osprey
    46 | February 15, 2013 11:43 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    I don’t know, but the hippie hat brain parasite was first encountered by William Gibson’s fictional investigative journalist of the paranormal “Merv Kihn” (a sort of prototype Art Bell) in a roadside diner in Taos, New Mexico, back in the ’80′s. It’s a horseshoe crab like alien life form that disguises itself as one of those floppy 70′s leather hats and then inserts its claws and proboscis into the skull of any hapless stoner that puts it on.


  46. 47 | February 15, 2013 11:46 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Happy Birthday Dorian.
    Are you suffering from the flu still?

    Not really, small respiratory distress (damned phlegm things) but otherwise right as rain.


  47. 48 | February 15, 2013 11:47 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ mawskrat:
    I don’t know, but the hippie hat brain parasite was first encountered by William Gibson’s fictional investigative journalist of the paranormal “Merv Kihn” (a sort of prototype Art Bell) in a roadside diner in Taos, New Mexico, back in the ’80′s. It’s a horseshoe crab like alien life form that disguises itself as one of those floppy 70′s leather hats and then inserts its claws and proboscis into the skull of any hapless stoner that puts it on.

    So it tends to starve to death when it attaches itself to a democrat or a liberal eh?


  48. 49 | February 15, 2013 11:53 pm

    I’ll be doing the ‘Bowl for Kid’s Sake‘ again this year. Please help if you can.

    Thank you!


  49. The Osprey
    50 | February 15, 2013 11:55 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Not if they are stoner liberals.
    It seeks out brains that have been marinated in THC.
    There are substantial colonies of them in Taos, Marin, Mendocino, Boulder…
    :lol:


  50. Moe Katz
    51 | February 16, 2013 12:19 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    (damned phlegm things)

    You and me both. We’re the Phlegmish Masters.


  51. mawskrat
    52 | February 16, 2013 12:21 am

    One Eyed Chicken


  52. Calo
    53 | February 16, 2013 12:22 am

    @ doriangrey:
    Hoe noemt dit in het nederlands ?


  53. Guggi
    54 | February 16, 2013 1:29 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Feb. 13, 2013 — A team of political scientists and neuroscientists has shown that liberals and conservatives use different parts of the brain when they make risky decisions, and these regions can be used to predict which political party a person prefers. The new study suggests that while genetics or parental influence may play a significant role, being a Republican or Democrat changes how the brain functions.

    Curious since other studies show that elderly men have the tendency to become more liberal while elderly women have the tendency to become more conservative. So they start to use different parts of their brains when they become older ?


  54. Calo
    55 | February 16, 2013 1:41 am

    @ Guggi:
    Oh, another incoming link to stimulate my redneck brain.

    How are you this morning, Guggi?


  55. Guggi
    56 | February 16, 2013 1:43 am

    Calo wrote:

    How are you this morning, Guggi?

    Fine and you ?


  56. Calo
    57 | February 16, 2013 1:45 am

    @ Guggi:
    Long week, but holding up.

    And, where in the world is Guggi going this weekend?


  57. Guggi
    58 | February 16, 2013 1:51 am

    Oh and btw. Calo: I don’t own 100+ pairs of shoes but I owned about 100+ oairs of jeans now reduced to about 50+.
    I own about 200+ pairs of shoes and about 60+ pairs of boots. Recently I wanted to wear black boots and it came out that I own alone 8 pairs of black boots looking very similar.

    No, I’m not Imelda Marcos /////


  58. Guggi
    59 | February 16, 2013 1:53 am

    Calo wrote:

    And, where in the world is Guggi going this weekend?

    Nowhere, it’s snowing to much and I have to do some work.


  59. Calo
    60 | February 16, 2013 1:56 am

    @ Guggi:
    Meh, I was actually talking to Lily at the same time that night when I posted and then she corrected me on your shoe count, privately.

    I’m in awe of you, chickadee!


  60. Calo
    61 | February 16, 2013 1:59 am

    And, twitter is calling me Guggi. Gotta go.

    I hope you finish your work quickly this morning and can enjoy what is left of an often short weekend.


  61. Guggi
    62 | February 16, 2013 2:08 am

    @ Calo:

    A nice weekend for you too, Calo.


  62. Moe Katz
    63 | February 16, 2013 2:18 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Curious since other studies show that elderly men have the tendency to become more liberal while elderly women have the tendency to become more conservative. So they start to use different parts of their brains when they become older ?

    Interesting, and not inconsistent with the neuro evidence. Brains change with time, and people probably do evolve, with respect to their own baseline. Whether inter-individual differences remain stable over time is a different kettle of fish, however.


  63. Guggi
    64 | February 16, 2013 2:20 am

    FBI looking into allegations that Sen. Menendez patronized prostitutes

    A team of FBI agents has been conducting interviews in recent weeks in the Dominican Republic and the United States, looking into allegations that Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) patronized prostitutes in the Caribbean nation, but it has found no evidence to support the claim, according to two people familiar with the investigation.


  64. Moe Katz
    65 | February 16, 2013 2:21 am

    @ Guggi:
    I do not patronize prostitutes, in fact I address them with the utmost respect.


  65. Guggi
    66 | February 16, 2013 2:29 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Males feel younger if they become liberals while females are fed up to be (or to watch how other females are be) pushed aside by liberal ideologies.


  66. Moe Katz
    67 | February 16, 2013 2:33 am

    @ Guggi:

    That all fits with the idea that we become more androgynous over the life span, don’t you think? Biologically and psychologically, as the hormones settle down….


  67. Guggi
    68 | February 16, 2013 2:49 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    That all fits with the idea that we become more androgynous over the life span, don’t you think? Biologically and psychologically, as the hormones settle down….

    Doesn’t make sense to me :-(

    Have you ever been to a rest home ? It’s worse than a camp of teenagers with hormons running amok :-)

    The US-Republicans have McCain but he is nothing compared to the German conservative and former general secretary of the CDU (the party of Adenauer, Kohl, Merkel) Heiner Geißler. He was once a kind of “Taliban” within his party and within the Catholic Church, extrem conservative and very pious, but after they have ousted him he is now more lefty than the “The Lefties”-party and propagades liberation theology.

    I guess there is more than only which part of the brain is used.


  68. Guggi
    69 | February 16, 2013 2:50 am

    bbl -- have to run errands.


  69. Moe Katz
    70 | February 16, 2013 2:55 am

    Guggi wrote:

    I guess there is more than only which part of the brain is used.

    Still, they were able to use the neuroimaging method to predict 82% of political affiliations. So the biology doesn’t explain all the variance, but a pretty impressive proportion of it.

    What discipline are you actually in, if you don’t mind my asking?


  70. Calo
    71 | February 16, 2013 2:58 am

    @ Guggi:

    Have you ever been to a rest home ? It’s worse than a camp of teenagers with hormons running amok :-)

    I worked in one, watched people die in one without their family by their side.

    I’m trying to remember their hormones going all amok as they couldn’t even hobble out of their bed to the bathroom without help.

    WTF?
    I gotta get up early tomorrow and shop for my favorite pair of black boots, European style.

    Night.

    Night.


  71. 72 | February 16, 2013 3:37 am

    Older men don’t get more liberal. They just narrow down their target lists.


  72. 73 | February 16, 2013 3:39 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Either that or they just forget who was on the list in the first place…


  73. Guggi
    74 | February 16, 2013 6:09 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Feb. 13, 2013 — A team of political scientists and neuroscientists has shown that liberals and conservatives use different parts of the brain when they make risky decisions, and these regions can be used to predict which political party a person prefers. The new study suggests that while genetics or parental influence may play a significant role, being a Republican or Democrat changes how the brain functions.

    Moe, this study explaines: nothing.

    It doesn’t explain how people people were dertermined to use the one or the other brain area. They start with their study at the end or at best in the middle not at the beginning. No one is born as a conservative or a liberal.

    There are different models to explain why people vote liberal or conservative and although they differ in some outcomes they have very important points in common: Paul Lazarus as well as Agnus Campbell found out that it is important how the parents vote, in which group (ethnical, social, religious, urban or rural etc.) they are brought up and how much they are affilated to the group and how trustworthy their role models are.

    Both models have been proved correct over and over again.

    Then there is a third model “the rational voter”-model which is very weak and doesn’t explain some core issues.

    A forth model would be the German “Sinus”-model which claims that there are no longer classic “classes” (like in class-war) but “milieus”. These milieus consist not of people of homogenous family backgrounds but of common schemes of life. It depends on education, occupational choice and readiness to assume risk. But in its core issues this model also goes back to Lazarus and Campbell.


  74. 75 | February 16, 2013 7:16 am

    And now it is six…

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/15/Gun-Companies-To-State-Governments-With-Strict-Gun-Laws-No-Guns-For-You

    Note that CheaperThanDirt is trying to redeem it’s reputation. All that is needed is for one biggie (Sturm Ruger, S&W, Glock, etc.) to join in, and this will become a veritable tsunami. Be nice if an ammo company joined in, too (Federal?) Barret, of course, did this a few years back to CA -- they were really the first. Pity I can’t afford one of their world-class products.


  75. 76 | February 16, 2013 7:20 am

    @ Mike C.:

    And let us not ignore Magpul, who has stated and even testified that they will leave CO, jobs and all, if those morons pass their currently proposed pile of shit.


  76. 77 | February 16, 2013 7:25 am

    @ Mike C.:

    And Beretta, who has threatened to pull their American HQ out of The Peoples’ Democratic Republic of Maryland. Just cross the Potomac, boys -- you’re most welcome here!

    Like the Allstate apparent move, this all really emphasizes the whole point of a restricted national government and sovereign states -- people and even corporations voting with their feet. A laboratory experiment in just and tolerable government.


  77. coldwarrior
    78 | February 16, 2013 7:51 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    What do former world famous Rock Stars drink on their 52 birthday? Earl Gray Tea, (With milk and sugar)… Somewhere Irony is shaking her head and wondering if she can get a refund…

    bergamot


  78. Bumr50
    79 | February 16, 2013 8:00 am

    Professor bans Fox News, claiming it makes her cringe

    Well, that IS a logical liberal reason for banning something.

    I wonder which part of her brain she was using?

    ht- Daily Caller via Zip


  79. Moe Katz
    80 | February 16, 2013 8:06 am

    @ Guggi:
    You are correct, the doesn’t attempt to explain how the political orientation comes about. All it does is observe the functional neuroanatomical characteristics of political orientations in the present, so it is purely correlational. However, they find that the functional neuroanatomy correctly classifies 82.9% of people according to their political orientation, which is extremely high and apparently the highest statistical level of prediction offered by any model. The other study which I cited comes to similar conclusions: the neuroimaging doesn’t tell us how people get this way. Yet the degree to which political orientations can vary with functional anatomic differences is astonishing and compelling.

    You should also include Adorno, Frenkel-Brunswik, Levinson & Sanford (1950), The Authoritarian Personality, for important roots of this vein of research.


  80. Moe Katz
    81 | February 16, 2013 8:07 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Moe, this study explaines: nothing.

    To put it simply, Guggi, it is what it is.


  81. Bumr50
    82 | February 16, 2013 8:21 am

    AP Is Horrified at Obama-Hating Utah: ‘Unyielding GOP Politicians Doing What Voters Ask’

    How DARE they!!!!

    That’s a HEADLINE folks.

    ht -- Newsbusters


  82. Guggi
    83 | February 16, 2013 8:26 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    You should also include Adorno, Frenkel-Brunswik, Levinson & Sanford (1950), The Authoritarian Personality, for important roots of this vein of research.

    The Authoritarian Personality can’t explain why so many young German Neo-Nazis from today come from very liberal anti-autoritarian and well educated families/parents.

    Maybe it is the other way round: many of this youths were never shown borders/limits and the Neo-Nazi ideology gives them the borders and limits they need/were looking for.


  83. Guggi
    84 | February 16, 2013 8:27 am

    Guggi wrote:

    anti-autoritarian

    authoritarian


  84. Moe Katz
    85 | February 16, 2013 8:42 am

    @ Guggi:
    Interesting. That does pose problems for Adorno et al.’s developmental theory, though not necessarily their psychological theory of how the authoritarian type operates once it’s developed.


  85. Moe Katz
    86 | February 16, 2013 8:50 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Maybe it is the other way round: many of this youths were never shown borders/limits and the Neo-Nazi ideology gives them the borders and limits they need/were looking for.

    Durkheim….


  86. coldwarrior
    87 | February 16, 2013 8:55 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    You should also include Adorno, Frenkel-Brunswik, Levinson & Sanford (1950), The Authoritarian Personality, for important roots of this vein of research.
    The Authoritarian Personality can’t explain why so many young German Neo-Nazis from today come from very liberal anti-autoritarian and well educated families/parents.
    Maybe it is the other way round: many of this youths were never shown borders/limits and the Neo-Nazi ideology gives them the borders and limits they need/were looking for.

    bingo.


  87. Bumr50
    88 | February 16, 2013 9:05 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ coldwarrior:

    Rangel wants to reinstate the draft.

    How about mandatory short-term military service?


  88. coldwarrior
    89 | February 16, 2013 9:10 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Rangel wants to reinstate the draft.
    How about mandatory short-term military service?

    NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

    i dont want a bunch of unmotivated terds ruining the best fighting force in the history of mankind.


  89. Bumr50
    90 | February 16, 2013 9:17 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Sorry, what do you think about that again?

    //;-)


  90. huckfunn
    91 | February 16, 2013 9:19 am

    @ Bumr50:
    @ coldwarrior:
    I was one of the last draftees in December, 1972. It was my observation, from basic thru my entire term, that the draftees were better troops and more motivated than the volunteers.


  91. coldwarrior
    92 | February 16, 2013 9:20 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Sorry, what do you think about that again?
    //;-)

    lemme get back to ya.

    :lol:


  92. Guggi
    93 | February 16, 2013 9:23 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Interesting. That does pose problems for Adorno et al.’s developmental theory, though not necessarily their psychological theory of how the authoritarian type operates once it’s developed.

    Adorno and Horkheimer did a study in Frankfurt to attest that German workers (which they identified as socialists) were unresistant against National Socialism. They never published the study because it came out that the Germans workers were very satisfied with National Socialism and only Communists were against it because they were told they had to.

    It was the last time Adorno used significant empiricism in his own work.


  93. Bumr50
    94 | February 16, 2013 9:23 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Seriously though, I know a lot of “urban” youts that are, at their core, well-meaning, hard-working kids. They’re either just stuck in really, really sh*tty home situations, or have been brought up in them for so long that they’re beginning to live their lives as their loser parents do.

    I try and mentor as much as I can in a work environment.

    A mere modicum of structure (along with some basic firearms knowledge) would do wonders for them. I’m 100% positive.

    That’s the only reason I suggested it.

    There are A LOT of them.


  94. coldwarrior
    95 | February 16, 2013 9:31 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Seriously though, I know a lot of “urban” youts that are, at their core, well-meaning, hard-working kids. They’re either just stuck in really, really sh*tty home situations, or have been brought up in them for so long that they’re beginning to live their lives as their loser parents do.
    I try and mentor as much as I can in a work environment.
    A mere modicum of structure (along with some basic firearms knowledge) would do wonders for them. I’m 100% positive.
    That’s the only reason I suggested it.
    There are A LOT of them.

    no.

    too bad for them. they can rot, i dont care. every man has free will.

    draft will ruin the military.


  95. coldwarrior
    96 | February 16, 2013 9:34 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    @ coldwarrior:
    I was one of the last draftees in December, 1972. It was my observation, from basic thru my entire term, that the draftees were better troops and more motivated than the volunteers.

    the morale of the draftee military in the early 70′s was abysmal.

    the military is not therapy nor is it a cure for problem kids.


  96. Bumr50
    97 | February 16, 2013 9:38 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    It was more of a brainstorm than anything.

    They multiply and vote.

    I get your point, and defer to your much more experienced judgment.

    It’s just a shame that what little they do “know” is wrong, having had the bad info drilled into them via twelve years of liberal teachers that work in the Pittsburgh Public Schools and some adjoining districts.

    I guess I have a soft spot because they actually show up for work.


  97. huckfunn
    98 | February 16, 2013 9:44 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the morale of the draftee military in the early 70′s was abysmal.

    the military is not therapy nor is it a cure for problem kids.

    True. Race relations were bad and drug use was rampant. Discipline in some units was non-existent. I know that there were about 15 or 20 guys in my basic training unit who volunteered because their other choice was prison. Those guys were the dregs of society and my guess is that they got booted before their enlistments were up. At any rate, the entire time I was in Thailand, the big time dopers were volunteers. The draftees, not so much. I’m not sure if that was true across the board, but it was in my limited experience.


  98. Moe Katz
    99 | February 16, 2013 9:58 am

    Guggi wrote:

    It was the last time Adorno used significant empiricism in his own work.

    The work on the F scale is certainly empirical and important in psychology.


  99. Moe Katz
    100 | February 16, 2013 10:03 am

    @ Guggi:
    Some of that research anticipates the functional neuroanatomical research that we’re seeing today, and I find that fascinating. The personality type they describe corresponds nicely to the enlarged amygdala that’s being reported in many studies.


  100. The Osprey
    101 | February 16, 2013 10:38 am

    Guggi wrote:

    A forth model would be the German “Sinus”-model which claims that there are no longer classic “classes” (like in class-war) but “milieus”.

    Or as Chucky would say “mill-yos”.


  101. lobo91
    102 | February 16, 2013 10:47 am

    @ huckfunn:

    It was a different time, though. We’re talking about drafting the current generation of OWS losers, not the tail end of the baby boomers.

    75% of the current generation are ineligible for military service as it is, either because they’re grossly overweight, have criminal backgrounds, or can’t pass the ASVAB.

    Add in the fact that most of them have been raised with an overwhelming sense of entitlement, and you have a recipe for disaster.


  102. huckfunn
    103 | February 16, 2013 11:49 am

    Good points. I was 20 when I was drafted. Several of the guys who were in my MP school class and duty units were drafted at the age of 24 and, in one case, 26. Several had college degrees and most of the draftees had at least some college. The best I can tell is that the current draft age mob has little work ethic and/or motivation. Also, to enlist in, or be drafted into the MPs required a somewhat higher standard for the individual. Therefore, the troops that I served with were a cut above what one might have found in the infantry or transportation units.


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