The term “Liberal Fascism” is more historically accurate then most people realize. Stalin, a man of the Left, was a Fascist as was Lenin, Mao,Pol Pot, Enver Hoxha and the Kim dynasty in Korea. Mussolini was a man of the Left and in many ways so was a young Adolf Hitler.
by Daniel Hannan
‘I am a Socialist,’ Hitler told Otto Strasser in 1930, ‘and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow’.
No one at the time would have regarded it as a controversial statement. The Nazis could hardly have been more open in their socialism, describing themselves with the same terminology as our own SWP: National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
Almost everyone in those days accepted that fascism had emerged from the revolutionary Left. Its militants marched on May Day under red flags. Its leaders stood for collectivism, state control of industry, high tariffs, workers’ councils. Around Europe, fascists were convinced that, as Hitler told an enthusiastic Mussolini in 1934, ‘capitalism has run its course’.
One of the most stunning achievements of the modern Left is to have created a cultural climate where simply to recite these facts is jarring. History is reinterpreted, and it is taken as axiomatic that fascism must have been Right-wing, the logic seemingly being that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists were nasty. You expect this level of analysis from Twitter mobs; you shouldn’t expect it from mainstream commentators.
When did you last hear a reference to the BNP on the BBC without the epithet ‘far Right’? [......] It doesn’t make anyone think any less of the BNP; but it does make them think less of the mainstream Right, because it implies that the BNP manifesto is somehow a more intense form of conservatism.
To maintain this belief, however, depends on closing your eyes to most of what the BNP stands for.
As the New Statesman puts it:
A brief skim through BNP manifesto literature brings to light proposals for the following: large increases in state pensions; more money for the NHS; improved worker protection; state ownership of key industries. Under Griffin, the modern-day far right has positioned itself to the left of Labour.
Indeed. The party’s ethno-nationalism is simply one more form of protectionism. [......]
Am I saying that the BNP is simply another form of Labour Party? No. [......] There are obviously huge differences between what Nick Griffin stands for and what Ed Miliband stands for. Yes, the BNP has some policies in common with Labour, just as it has some policies in common with the Greens, the Lib Dems and the Conservatives. Coincidence of policy does not establish consanguinity of doctrine.
I just hope that Lefties who have read this far will have a sense of how conservatives feel when fascism is declared to be simply a point further along the spectrum from them. Whenever anyone points to the socialist roots of fascism, there are howls of outrage. Yet the people howling the loudest are often the first to claim some ideological link between fascism and conservatism. [......]
Read the rest - So total is the Left’s cultural ascendancy that no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism
I see a kind of naivete coming from the right these days. We all seem to think the left are just stupid and ignorant. To be sure there is the useful idiot element but many more are willfully ignorant. It’s too easy to say they’re stupid because that many can’t all be stupid. I think we need to come to grips that most people don’t like conservative thinking and equate it with greedy hateful powerful rich people with a hidden agenda. So they will never side with that ilk and will always go with any alternative that looks more liberal, compassionate and loving. In short, for now at least, we’re screwed. There’s no getting around this. There’s no winning, fact-based argument to win the day. Leftism has won and I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s noticed a big hard boot across our throats.
dwells38 wrote:
They are not stupid and ignorant -- well maybe the MSNBC crowd is -- but they are ruthless and cunning.
Man today is slow. I know it is a holiday but geez!
@ 1 dwells38: The strength of the right is freedom and merit. Those ideas need to be re introduced into the educational systems as positive values.
darkwords wrote:
With the left wing stranglehold on academics it will be tough to do but we must try.
maybe quit acting like the ‘hey you damn kids, get off my lawn’ party?
grumpy scolding curmudgeonism doesn’t sell.
@ Speranza:I think we have to re brand like that article Rodan posted. Then get a climate merit badge into the boy scouts that actually reflects science. And in sports leagues emphasize sports as a leadership position. Creating sports leagues that have leadership and social reach out and frame all that in freedom and merit.
White House press corps ‘frustrated’ by lack of Obama access
http://michellemalkin.com/2013/02/18/white-house-press-corps-obama/
Isn’t that funny? Hey NBC wh press corps, do what you’ve been doing all along. Make some shit up about how gorgeous and pretty and perfect Obama is. No one thinks you’re journalists anyway. I really find it comical that 5 years in they want to play like real journalists and try to report something.
People tend to forget that the Nazi flag was a red flag—with the Party emblem superimposed.
I forget who it was that said the only reason the Jewish Left in Germany didn’t join the Nazis was that the Nazis wouldn’t have them.
If people want to see the American, Hollywood-under-Roosevelt, style of fascism, they should find a copy of the Warner Baxter/Shirley Temple movie Stand Up and Cheer, in which Warner Baxter is appointed Secretary of Entertainment so that we can “laugh our way out of the Depression.”
The finale of that film, “We’re Out of the Red,” features marching brigades of workers in various characteristic clothes of their professions. They recall the still photos of August Sander, who catalogued many working people in the Weimar and early Nazi era, and the worker brigades shown at the Nuremberg rally in Leni Reifenstahl’s Triumph of the Will.
You have a movement that is headed by real, treacherous and power-hungry leftists. And the rest are comprised of muddle heads, decent but distracteds, po/ignorant, ne’er do wells, stupid/criminals that eschew the kinds of things we stand for. Mainly responsibility, self-reliance, traditional values, love of country, accountability, hard work, community mindedness, family. These ideas are all hated by the MSM and these Obama minions. They don’t have an endgame, they just want the rest of us to somehow go away and not have a voice. All they want is their alternative lifestyles, their paid-for abortions, butt plugs and nose rings, the death of their parents so they can usurp their bank accounts and the like. They like this ruthless, left-wing thinking I think and it’s like they’re starting to smell blood. It worries me. I know their are decent liberal people out there but they are susceptible to a certain kind of winner-take-all, end-justifies the means mentality. We need to watch our backs and don’t let them take the guns.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Wow. That’d be a knee slapper if it didnt ring so tragically true.
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dwells38 wrote:
Not a joke; it was true. The Jewish Leftists in Germany, just like many of the other Leftists, flocked to join a nationalist Leftist party—but the antisemitic tenets of the Nazis precluded them joining.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
FDR’s New Deal was inspired by Il Duce’s 3rd Way State Capitalism.
@ darkwords:
His twitter account. https://twitter.com/kaifulee
Interesting as he is one of the few powerful people astride East and West. Has a foot in both worlds.
Liberal fascism at work:
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
That is true, many German Jews where attracted to the Nazi’s Economic Socialism and German Nationalism. They didn’t realize at first it was a race base Nationalism.
@ 16 buzzsawmonkey: A bell curve might suggest a few of them gave up being jewish and a few joined to spy.
Rodan wrote:
There’s a reason why the Roosevelt-era Post Offices used to be referred to as “Mussolini Modern.”
Rodan wrote:
Henry Kissinger is example Number 1.
@ dwells38:
Well said!
dwells38 wrote:
They still will do his bidding.
@ Speranza:
They viewed themselves as Germans 1st. Like you said, Kissinger is the a prime example.
@ Speranza:
We have a Fascist like system right now. Soft Fascism.
@ 19 lobo91: To me that is unchecked mental illness housed in an intellect. A good hard slap is the cure. Repeat as needed. no results? then get the meds out.
We need to fight fire with fire. For instance every time Chris Matthews or some other AMESSNBC pinhead criticizes Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz then they are racists. Period. No discussion of any supposed merit of argument. A bigoted, racist pig. Period. They can’t have it both ways. When we criticize a black, hispanic or female socialist for being leftist we’re branded as racist haters. Should be the same for them. Criticize Col. West? Racist. Attack Sarah Palin? Whatta ya got against women? They brought this on. We need to bring it home to them.
Charles Johnson yemach shmo vazichro, still thinks only right wingers can be fascists.
Rodan wrote:
To give FDR his due, he actually did build roads and bridges—and dams, and produce reforestation projects. Obama merely blathers about doing such things to echo the Democrats’ glory days, then pisses away the money on his cronies.
@ Speranza:
Hey On H2 they are giving The Ultimate Guide to Presidents.
dwells38 wrote:
Turn their own tactics upon them.
@ 28 Rodan: you should take that branding of the GoP article you posted and make it a permanent link prominently.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That is a huge difference. AT least FDR built infrastructure. Obama robbed the money.
Speranza wrote:
“Believes,” not “thinks.”
@ darkwords:
That sounds like an idea!
Rodan wrote:
Did you see my post on Garfield on the headlines section? Garfield’s own doctors inadvertently killed him.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Correct. “Thinking” takes seriousness which he possesses not.
@ Speranza:
Rightwing Fascism is more Authoritarian and the Left’s tend to be Totalitarian.
@ Speranza:
Yes I did. They are not up to him yet. They are talking about Pierce and now getting to Buchanan.
Rodan wrote:
Obama wants to bring this country down, FDR for all his mistakes wanted to better the nation.
Rodan wrote:
On the other hand, the “cultural projects” of the WPA and similar agencies under FDR were the thing that really gave the Left its insider grasp on the culture.
Rodan wrote:
Stalin was fascist number 1.
Rodan wrote:
I think some of them DID realize it but vainly tried to co-opt it.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
His attempted packing of the Supreme Court was a blatant power grab.
Obama says, “I can run and run as fascist I can—and you can’t catch me; I’m a “gingerbread” man!”
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
FDR had enough sense to realize that public sector unions were a bad idea.
Obama embraces them.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
More importantly, his MSM confederates will never call him out.
@ Speranza:
Correct, FDR was a Patriot. He was economically misguided, but he did not hate America.
People seem to feel good about themselves when they vote for Ozero. I think it is partly as self-perceived redress for slavery for white liberals. The liberals of the champagne socialist ilk are prone to this. Tenured academics who are sheltered fall into this category.
Many view public speaking as worse than death. People cannot stand to look like fools, so they fall prey to groupthink. When you consider the primal fear of being exiled from the “pack” i.e. being isolated and in peril, it’s easier to see why people just go along with trends.
The “Public Sector” has absolutely zero needs for unions.
Rodan wrote:
Exactly. The same with LBJ who did an awful lot of lasting danger to America.
@ Moe Katz:
Yes, I saw a thing on the rise of the Nazis. They mentioned about Jewish supporters of the Nazis, many of whom where WWI veterans. They excuse they used was that the Nazis hated Non German Jews not German Jews.
Rodan wrote:
Richard Nixon- the last of the New Deal presidents. By the way Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey is retiring. He will be the last of the World War II veterans in the Senate.
@ Rodan:
Yeah, fat lot of good that did them in the end.
@ Speranza:
On the political spectrum, Fascists actually are in the Center-Left. They are Economic Socialist, but hyper Nationalism. It was Il Duce who coined the term, 3rd Way. Many Leftists use that term. Its not a coincidence.
@ Speranza:
Nixon was more a man of the Left than right. He was never accepted by the Left because of Alger Hiss.
@ 52 yenta-fada: My impression is that people who sensed internally that they are racists voted for Obama. And people who felt little of such thoughts voted the economy and foreign policy. Racial voting has no practical outcome. It’s a bottomless pit to spiral into.
Rodan wrote:
There is a huge difference between patriotism and nationalism. Nationalism usually leads to wars (see Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany).
Reagan was a patriot.
darkwords wrote:
Racism is an obsession with race and that fits most of the Left to a “T”.
@ Rodan:
I think you need two dimensions to make sense of it. On the north-south axis you have statism—anarchism, and on the east-west axis you have public ownership—private ownership. This gives you four quadrants in which to classify ideologies, which is still not adequate but better than trying to put it all on one continuum.
Rodan wrote:
And his recognition of the difference between the USA and the USSR (despite his fondness for “detente” which actually propped up the Soviet Union and probably kept it going a decade longer than it did).
Btw -- Putin is becoming more of a nationalist.
Silly women…you’re just not smart enough to know when you’re actually in danger:
For the first time in my life, I’m not proud of my state…
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@ Speranza:
It all depends and what kind of Nationalism. But that is whole other subject!
@ 62 Speranza: You see a lot of the young kids on twitter these days using “black” and “white” as adjectives for almost anything. That is a all a creation of the liberal mindset born in K-12.
Now it could all work out well if people ameliorate the intent or it could go badly and re segregate the whole country. I think low info voters tend to be the kind that will segregate.
@ lobo91:
War on women!
@ yenta-fada:
Totally agree!
@ 65 lobo91: Gun consciousness over gun control. Not every woman is an illiterate gang member with a false sense of pride.
darkwords wrote:
A lot of social issues have no business in politics. The separation of Church and State ought to be maintained. By politicizing everything, you end up in eternal gridlock.
@ 63 Moe Katz: I’m kinda a two dim person here also.
D1 = tradition versus change line
D2 = small versus big line
D5 is where the libs belong. Out of touch with reality.
@ darkwords:
Interesting.
@ Moe Katz:
That is a very good explanation!
darkwords wrote:
We can go back to the Victorian era for the ‘apes versus angels’ debates. Any construct imposed on messy human behavior fails to explain why civilization has not changed significantly except for technological advances.
History is a better guide than social theories imo.
lobo91 wrote:
Well, gosh, you know those women—they’re hysterical. They can’t be expected to know when they’re being stalked by someone with malevolent intent or not—they’re only women, after all.
Geez. How dismissive and patronizing. On the other hand, this is a Democrat, let’s not forget. His experience with “women” is probably limited to trying to placate dour, angry feminist types who believe all heterosexual sex is rape—Andrea Dworkin wannabees. From his experience, it’s entirely possible that he’s aware most of these women who are Democratic Party activists would plug a man just to watch him die. So maybe he’s not just being a patronizing pig—maybe he’s confirming something people have long suspected about Democrat female operatives.
And Colorado continues its slide into becoming a leftist hellhole:
yenta-fada wrote:
In my gym classes, we just did “shirts versus skins.”
Obama unlike most fascists, is an American minimalist. He wants to diminish America in the world all the while having government control over the people increase. As Rodan says, he is a transnationalist.
@ Speranza:
You have to laugh at this!
FSA: We will Treat Hizbullah Fighters as ‘Mercenaries’
@ 73 Moe Katz: I think modern infinity analysis though still requires a futurist to go the next step and the next smaller step and the next next smaller step when dealing with dimensions.
Take yours, take mine. Weight them, find a growth model they all fit in that represents expanding human consciousness, the pulse of faith, and the E=mc2 of information explosion as related to digesting it.
So at the end of it all you either have a lot of garbage or a useful system.
The words useful and system together to me imply a slant to tradition. Liberal goals are just a far target on the horizon that one shouldn’t actually put into practice.
Sort of like two jocks stealing a nerd’s hat and tossing it back and forth while the nerd chases it. Maybe that is too cruel of an analogy?
@ Speranza:
To some extent, isn’t that just the mood of the American people? I mean, after 5 years of recession, does the public have the stomach for an activist foreign policy and its costs?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
We had pinnies.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Your description of Democrat women activists made me truly lol. I know a few, and they love their men. However, I give you full artistic license in describing a real type. hahaha…I think there are lot of people out there mean enough to plug someone to watch them die.
@ 77 lobo91: When politicians are trying to desensitize the citizens to this level of control and regulation the balancing effect is mass parades where everyone is armed. Gun Consciousness parades where gun safety is made.
To me that is a Veterans Parade.
We have the Blue Angels here every year in Seattle. A lot of locals complain about their dog getting scared. They are loud. But it is the one time in my life I feel an immense sense of pride and patriotism in my life about the people behind the machine and the sacrifice it takes to live in a free world.
Respecting the 2nd Amendment is something the libs should learn to do. Yes there is a cost to it.
Moe Katz wrote:
Ozero has started wars and the left (and the press) remain silent. Libya, Yemen, et.al. Crickets. As long as the smiley black guy does it, it’s not really war. /
@ yenta-fada:
Those were all very limited commitments of forces and resources, however. I don’t think the will is there for another Afghanistan or Iraq.
darkwords wrote:
Low information voters are the natural constituents for the totalitarian mindset.
yenta-fada wrote:
Obama’s war is ultimately on the American people. To break them economically and to break their morale/spirit and to an large extent he is succeeding. Our last chance to avoid the cataclysmic effects of Obama was last November. Yet despite being a miserable POTUS he won re-election.
darkwords wrote:
“The constitution is a living document” is their refrain.
Moe Katz wrote:
I agree with you there. However, when it comes to Islamic nations, there is no such thing as limited commitments. Islamic Supremacism knows no borders. There are jihadists from every country, including the West, involved in Syria, Mali, Gaza, etc. The true nature of this war is masked in appeasement and politically correct rhetoric.
Rodan wrote:
Kill them.
Speranza wrote:
“It’s alive! It’s alive!”
Dinner bell, mockers.
@ yenta-fada:
Which is why this administration is trying like hell to let other countries do the heavy lifting and not get entrapped in another quagmire.
yenta-fada wrote:
Bon appetit.
Moe Katz wrote:
Every thing to them is a “quagmire”. The beaches at Normandy would be a “quagmire” in their definition of things.
“Leading from behind” is another way of saying “following”.
Speranza wrote:
Unfortunately, I agree. I see America in decline as a global power under this administration.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Nothing like a monster in a sports jacket. It shows that at least he is making an attempt even though the sports jacket never fits.
Moe Katz wrote:
Obama wants America to disengage from the world stage as he does not think we are a force for good. You can see the influence of the “Dreams from My Father” mentality in action.
Speranza wrote:
“Big and Tall Monster Shoppes” had not yet opened a branch in Mitteleuropa.
Speranza wrote:
Yep.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I mean Frankenstein’s sports jacket is always too small for his body. Couldn’t they have come up with a bigger size for him?
@ Speranza:
For a monster, the tail would be the big problem. You’d need a single vent at the back, very deeply cut.
Moe Katz wrote:
If an Obama had come to the presidency in the early 1970′s, the USSR under Brezhnev would have gobbled up Western Europe.
Speranza wrote:
the Edger Winter look?
@ Speranza:
Very likely.
Moe Katz wrote:
Frankie did not have a tail. I wonder how they got the top of his head so flat.
Speranza wrote:
There wasn’t enough fabric in the sleeves to let them out when they added the hands and extra forearm bits. As to the jacket being too tight in the body, ol’ Frankie was just a hipster before his time.
I’m reminded of the scene in Woody Allen’s Sleeper, with the robot tailor speaking Yiddish dialect.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yeah he would fit in on Bedford Avennue subway station waiting to get into a jammed packed “L” train.
Moe Katz wrote:
Oh man I loved the Woody Allen films from that era!
@ Speranza:
Yeah, he was brilliant back then….
You want a Yiddish tailor routine? Check out Eddie Cantor in 1929.
Moe Katz wrote:
That was before he started taking Vincent Canby’s (film critic for the New York Times) declarations of him (Woody Allen) being an intellectual genius seriously. Also hooking up with Mia Farrow did not help him professionally by his insistence on her being the lead actress in about 12 films.
Back in a hour!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Strange scene where they take the measurements in inflections vaguely resembling Jewish tropes.
Speranza wrote:
Leaving Mia for Soon Yi pretty much turned off what was left of his fan club, I think.
Speranza wrote:
they do the mash, the monster mash… it caught on in a flash
Moe Katz wrote:
no the anti-Semitic pedophiles loved it…
@ brookly red:
Heh….
Moe Katz wrote:
you want I should give you a Q-tip? you heard me.
@ brookly red:
LOL
@ brookly red:
Is that a large demographic group?
lobo91 wrote:
well some just call them democrats
Thad McCotter writes on Millard Fillmore.
Nice little piece.
Moe Katz wrote:
“Strange?” “Vaguely resembling?”
No: very funny and intentional imitation.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
So he was living up to the name Eddie Cantor.
brookly red wrote:
I remember that song.
Moe Katz wrote:
He’s a Progressive, Hollywood still loves him.
Speranza wrote:
Check the cell structure. LOL!