First time visitor? Learn more.

The Socialist roots of Fascism

by Speranza ( 131 Comments › )
Filed under Fascism, Liberal Fascism, Socialism at February 18th, 2013 - 3:00 pm

The term “Liberal Fascism” is more historically accurate then most people realize. Stalin, a man of the Left, was a Fascist as was Lenin, Mao,Pol Pot, Enver Hoxha  and the Kim dynasty in Korea. Mussolini was a man of the Left and in many ways so was a young Adolf Hitler.

by Daniel Hannan

‘I am a Socialist,’ Hitler told Otto Strasser in 1930, ‘and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow’.

No one at the time would have regarded it as a controversial statement. The Nazis could hardly have been more open in their socialism, describing themselves with the same terminology as our own SWP: National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

Almost everyone in those days accepted that fascism had emerged from the revolutionary Left. Its militants marched on May Day under red flags. Its leaders stood for collectivism, state control of industry, high tariffs, workers’ councils. Around Europe, fascists were convinced that, as Hitler told an enthusiastic Mussolini in 1934, ‘capitalism has run its course’.

One of the most stunning achievements of the modern Left is to have created a cultural climate where simply to recite these facts is jarring. History is reinterpreted, and it is taken as axiomatic that fascism must have been Right-wing, the logic seemingly being that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists were nasty. You expect this level of analysis from Twitter mobs; you shouldn’t expect it from mainstream commentators.

When did you last hear a reference to the BNP on the BBC without the epithet ‘far Right’? [......] It doesn’t make anyone think any less of the BNP; but it does make them think less of the mainstream Right, because it implies that the BNP manifesto is somehow a more intense form of conservatism.

To maintain this belief, however, depends on closing your eyes to most of what the BNP stands for.

As the New Statesman puts it:

A brief skim through BNP manifesto literature brings to light proposals for the following: large increases in state pensions; more money for the NHS; improved worker protection; state ownership of key industries. Under Griffin, the modern-day far right has positioned itself to the left of Labour.

Indeed. The party’s ethno-nationalism is simply one more form of protectionism.  [......]

Am I saying that the BNP is simply another form of Labour Party? No. [......] There are obviously huge differences between what Nick Griffin stands for and what Ed Miliband stands for. Yes, the BNP has some policies in common with Labour, just as it has some policies in common with the Greens, the Lib Dems and the Conservatives. Coincidence of policy does not establish consanguinity of doctrine.

I just hope that Lefties who have read this far will have a sense of how conservatives feel when fascism is declared to be simply a point further along the spectrum from them. Whenever anyone points to the socialist roots of fascism, there are howls of outrage. Yet the people howling the loudest are often the first to claim some ideological link between fascism and conservatism. [......]

Read the rest - So total is the Left’s cultural ascendancy that no one likes to mention the socialist roots of fascism

Tags: , ,

Comments

Comments and respectful debate are both welcome and encouraged.

Comments are the sole opinion of the comment writer, just as each thread posted is the sole opinion or post idea of the administrator that posted it or of the readers that have written guest posts for the Blogmocracy.

Obscene, abusive, or annoying remarks may be deleted or moved to spam for admin review, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their content by any other commenter or the admins of this Blogmocracy.

We're not easily offended and don't want people to think they have to walk on eggshells around here (like at another place that shall remain nameless) but of course, there is a limit to everything.

Play nice!

131 Responses to “The Socialist roots of Fascism”
( jump to bottom )

  1. dwells38
    1 | February 18, 2013 3:36 pm

    I see a kind of naivete coming from the right these days. We all seem to think the left are just stupid and ignorant. To be sure there is the useful idiot element but many more are willfully ignorant. It’s too easy to say they’re stupid because that many can’t all be stupid. I think we need to come to grips that most people don’t like conservative thinking and equate it with greedy hateful powerful rich people with a hidden agenda. So they will never side with that ilk and will always go with any alternative that looks more liberal, compassionate and loving. In short, for now at least, we’re screwed. There’s no getting around this. There’s no winning, fact-based argument to win the day. Leftism has won and I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s noticed a big hard boot across our throats.


  2. Speranza
    2 | February 18, 2013 3:51 pm

    dwells38 wrote:

    I see a kind of naivete coming from the right these days. We all seem to think the left are just stupid and ignorant. To be sure there is the useful idiot element but many more are willfully ignorant. It’s too easy to say they’re stupid because that many can’t all be stupid. I think we need to come to grips that most people don’t like conservative thinking and equate it with greedy hateful powerful rich people with a hidden agenda. So they will never side with that ilk and will always go with any alternative that looks more liberal, compassionate and loving. In short, for now at least, we’re screwed. There’s no getting around this. There’s no winning, fact-based argument to win the day. Leftism has won and I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s noticed a big hard boot across our throats.

    They are not stupid and ignorant -- well maybe the MSNBC crowd is -- but they are ruthless and cunning.


  3. Speranza
    3 | February 18, 2013 4:20 pm

    Man today is slow. I know it is a holiday but geez!


  4. darkwords
    4 | February 18, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ 1 dwells38: The strength of the right is freedom and merit. Those ideas need to be re introduced into the educational systems as positive values.


  5. Speranza
    5 | February 18, 2013 4:36 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 1 dwells38: The strength of the right is freedom and merit. Those ideas need to be re introduced into the educational systems as positive values.

    With the left wing stranglehold on academics it will be tough to do but we must try.


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | February 18, 2013 4:41 pm

    maybe quit acting like the ‘hey you damn kids, get off my lawn’ party?

    grumpy scolding curmudgeonism doesn’t sell.


  7. darkwords
    7 | February 18, 2013 5:12 pm

    @ Speranza:I think we have to re brand like that article Rodan posted. Then get a climate merit badge into the boy scouts that actually reflects science. And in sports leagues emphasize sports as a leadership position. Creating sports leagues that have leadership and social reach out and frame all that in freedom and merit.


  8. dwells38
    8 | February 18, 2013 5:29 pm

    White House press corps ‘frustrated’ by lack of Obama access
    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/02/18/white-house-press-corps-obama/

    Isn’t that funny? Hey NBC wh press corps, do what you’ve been doing all along. Make some shit up about how gorgeous and pretty and perfect Obama is. No one thinks you’re journalists anyway. I really find it comical that 5 years in they want to play like real journalists and try to report something.


  9. buzzsawmonkey
    9 | February 18, 2013 5:32 pm

    People tend to forget that the Nazi flag was a red flag—with the Party emblem superimposed.


  10. buzzsawmonkey
    10 | February 18, 2013 5:34 pm

    I forget who it was that said the only reason the Jewish Left in Germany didn’t join the Nazis was that the Nazis wouldn’t have them.


  11. buzzsawmonkey
    11 | February 18, 2013 5:42 pm

    If people want to see the American, Hollywood-under-Roosevelt, style of fascism, they should find a copy of the Warner Baxter/Shirley Temple movie Stand Up and Cheer, in which Warner Baxter is appointed Secretary of Entertainment so that we can “laugh our way out of the Depression.”

    The finale of that film, “We’re Out of the Red,” features marching brigades of workers in various characteristic clothes of their professions. They recall the still photos of August Sander, who catalogued many working people in the Weimar and early Nazi era, and the worker brigades shown at the Nuremberg rally in Leni Reifenstahl’s Triumph of the Will.


  12. dwells38
    12 | February 18, 2013 5:50 pm

    You have a movement that is headed by real, treacherous and power-hungry leftists. And the rest are comprised of muddle heads, decent but distracteds, po/ignorant, ne’er do wells, stupid/criminals that eschew the kinds of things we stand for. Mainly responsibility, self-reliance, traditional values, love of country, accountability, hard work, community mindedness, family. These ideas are all hated by the MSM and these Obama minions. They don’t have an endgame, they just want the rest of us to somehow go away and not have a voice. All they want is their alternative lifestyles, their paid-for abortions, butt plugs and nose rings, the death of their parents so they can usurp their bank accounts and the like. They like this ruthless, left-wing thinking I think and it’s like they’re starting to smell blood. It worries me. I know their are decent liberal people out there but they are susceptible to a certain kind of winner-take-all, end-justifies the means mentality. We need to watch our backs and don’t let them take the guns.


  13. dwells38
    13 | February 18, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Wow. That’d be a knee slapper if it didnt ring so tragically true.


  14. darkwords
    14 | February 18, 2013 6:07 pm

    SEIU

    SWP: National Socialist German Workers’ Party.


  15. darkwords
    15 | February 18, 2013 6:15 pm

    OT: Free Speech in China


  16. buzzsawmonkey
    16 | February 18, 2013 6:15 pm

    dwells38 wrote:

    Wow. That’d be a knee slapper if it didnt ring so tragically true.

    Not a joke; it was true. The Jewish Leftists in Germany, just like many of the other Leftists, flocked to join a nationalist Leftist party—but the antisemitic tenets of the Nazis precluded them joining.


  17. 17 | February 18, 2013 6:18 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    FDR’s New Deal was inspired by Il Duce’s 3rd Way State Capitalism.


  18. darkwords
    18 | February 18, 2013 6:18 pm

    @ darkwords:

    His twitter account. https://twitter.com/kaifulee

    Interesting as he is one of the few powerful people astride East and West. Has a foot in both worlds.


  19. lobo91
    19 | February 18, 2013 6:18 pm

    Liberal fascism at work:

    College Recommends Tenured Professor Who Forced Students To Vote For Obama Be Fired…

    “Professor Sweet strongly encouraged or mandated that students from several classes sign a pledge card that stated, ‘I pledge to vote for President Obama and Democrats up and down the ticket.’ She also misrepresented her intentions to multiple students, indicating at various times that she was conducting voter registration for the college, that the pledge cards were non-partisan voter registration forms, and that the pledge was a ‘statistical analysis.’”


  20. 20 | February 18, 2013 6:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I forget who it was that said the only reason the Jewish Left in Germany didn’t join the Nazis was that the Nazis wouldn’t have them.

    That is true, many German Jews where attracted to the Nazi’s Economic Socialism and German Nationalism. They didn’t realize at first it was a race base Nationalism.


  21. darkwords
    21 | February 18, 2013 6:19 pm

    @ 16 buzzsawmonkey: A bell curve might suggest a few of them gave up being jewish and a few joined to spy.


  22. buzzsawmonkey
    22 | February 18, 2013 6:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    FDR’s New Deal was inspired by Il Duce’s 3rd Way State Capitalism.

    There’s a reason why the Roosevelt-era Post Offices used to be referred to as “Mussolini Modern.”


  23. Speranza
    23 | February 18, 2013 6:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    I forget who it was that said the only reason the Jewish Left in Germany didn’t join the Nazis was that the Nazis wouldn’t have them.

    That is true, many German Jews where attracted to the Nazi’s Economic Socialism and German Nationalism. They didn’t realize at first it was a race base Nationalism.

    Henry Kissinger is example Number 1.


  24. 24 | February 18, 2013 6:19 pm

    @ dwells38:

    Well said!


  25. Speranza
    25 | February 18, 2013 6:20 pm

    dwells38 wrote:

    White House press corps ‘frustrated’ by lack of Obama access
    http://michellemalkin.com/2013/02/18/white-house-press-corps-obama/
    Isn’t that funny? Hey NBC wh press corps, do what you’ve been doing all along. Make some shit up about how gorgeous and pretty and perfect Obama is. No one thinks you’re journalists anyway. I really find it comical that 5 years in they want to play like real journalists and try to report something.

    They still will do his bidding.


  26. 26 | February 18, 2013 6:20 pm

    @ Speranza:

    They viewed themselves as Germans 1st. Like you said, Kissinger is the a prime example.


  27. 28 | February 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    We have a Fascist like system right now. Soft Fascism.


  28. darkwords
    29 | February 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    @ 19 lobo91: To me that is unchecked mental illness housed in an intellect. A good hard slap is the cure. Repeat as needed. no results? then get the meds out.


  29. dwells38
    30 | February 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    We need to fight fire with fire. For instance every time Chris Matthews or some other AMESSNBC pinhead criticizes Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz then they are racists. Period. No discussion of any supposed merit of argument. A bigoted, racist pig. Period. They can’t have it both ways. When we criticize a black, hispanic or female socialist for being leftist we’re branded as racist haters. Should be the same for them. Criticize Col. West? Racist. Attack Sarah Palin? Whatta ya got against women? They brought this on. We need to bring it home to them.


  30. Speranza
    31 | February 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    Charles Johnson yemach shmo vazichro, still thinks only right wingers can be fascists.


  31. buzzsawmonkey
    32 | February 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    FDR’s New Deal was inspired by Il Duce’s 3rd Way State Capitalism.

    To give FDR his due, he actually did build roads and bridges—and dams, and produce reforestation projects. Obama merely blathers about doing such things to echo the Democrats’ glory days, then pisses away the money on his cronies.


  32. 33 | February 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Hey On H2 they are giving The Ultimate Guide to Presidents.


  33. Speranza
    34 | February 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    dwells38 wrote:

    We need to fight fire with fire. For instance every time Chris Matthews or some other AMESSNBC pinhead criticizes Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz then they are racists. Period

    Turn their own tactics upon them.


  34. darkwords
    35 | February 18, 2013 6:21 pm

    @ 28 Rodan: you should take that branding of the GoP article you posted and make it a permanent link prominently.


  35. 36 | February 18, 2013 6:22 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is a huge difference. AT least FDR built infrastructure. Obama robbed the money.


  36. buzzsawmonkey
    37 | February 18, 2013 6:22 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Charles Johnson yemach shmo vazichro, still thinks only right wingers can be fascists.

    “Believes,” not “thinks.”


  37. 38 | February 18, 2013 6:22 pm

    @ darkwords:

    That sounds like an idea!


  38. Speranza
    39 | February 18, 2013 6:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Hey On H2 they are giving The Ultimate Guide to Presidents.

    Did you see my post on Garfield on the headlines section? Garfield’s own doctors inadvertently killed him.


  39. Speranza
    40 | February 18, 2013 6:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Charles Johnson yemach shmo vazichro, still thinks only right wingers can be fascists.

    “Believes,” not “thinks.”

    Correct. “Thinking” takes seriousness which he possesses not.


  40. 41 | February 18, 2013 6:23 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Rightwing Fascism is more Authoritarian and the Left’s tend to be Totalitarian.


  41. 42 | February 18, 2013 6:24 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes I did. They are not up to him yet. They are talking about Pierce and now getting to Buchanan.


  42. Speranza
    43 | February 18, 2013 6:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    That is a huge difference. AT least FDR built infrastructure. Obama robbed the money.

    Obama wants to bring this country down, FDR for all his mistakes wanted to better the nation.


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    44 | February 18, 2013 6:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That is a huge difference. AT least FDR built infrastructure. Obama robbed the money.

    On the other hand, the “cultural projects” of the WPA and similar agencies under FDR were the thing that really gave the Left its insider grasp on the culture.


  44. Speranza
    45 | February 18, 2013 6:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Rightwing Fascism is more Authoritarian and the Left’s tend to be Totalitarian.

    Stalin was fascist number 1.


  45. Moe Katz
    46 | February 18, 2013 6:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That is true, many German Jews where attracted to the Nazi’s Economic Socialism and German Nationalism. They didn’t realize at first it was a race base Nationalism.

    I think some of them DID realize it but vainly tried to co-opt it.


  46. Speranza
    47 | February 18, 2013 6:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    That is a huge difference. AT least FDR built infrastructure. Obama robbed the money.

    On the other hand, the “cultural projects” of the WPA and similar agencies under FDR were the thing that really gave the Left its insider grasp on the culture.

    His attempted packing of the Supreme Court was a blatant power grab.


  47. buzzsawmonkey
    48 | February 18, 2013 6:26 pm

    Obama says, “I can run and run as fascist I can—and you can’t catch me; I’m a “gingerbread” man!”


  48. lobo91
    49 | February 18, 2013 6:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    FDR’s New Deal was inspired by Il Duce’s 3rd Way State Capitalism.
    To give FDR his due, he actually did build roads and bridges—and dams, and produce reforestation projects. Obama merely blathers about doing such things to echo the Democrats’ glory days, then pisses away the money on his cronies.

    FDR had enough sense to realize that public sector unions were a bad idea.

    Obama embraces them.


  49. Speranza
    50 | February 18, 2013 6:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Obama says, “I can run and run as fascist I can—and you can’t catch me; I’m a “gingerbread” man!”

    More importantly, his MSM confederates will never call him out.


  50. 51 | February 18, 2013 6:27 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Correct, FDR was a Patriot. He was economically misguided, but he did not hate America.


  51. yenta-fada
    52 | February 18, 2013 6:27 pm

    People seem to feel good about themselves when they vote for Ozero. I think it is partly as self-perceived redress for slavery for white liberals. The liberals of the champagne socialist ilk are prone to this. Tenured academics who are sheltered fall into this category.
    Many view public speaking as worse than death. People cannot stand to look like fools, so they fall prey to groupthink. When you consider the primal fear of being exiled from the “pack” i.e. being isolated and in peril, it’s easier to see why people just go along with trends.


  52. Speranza
    53 | February 18, 2013 6:28 pm

    The “Public Sector” has absolutely zero needs for unions.


  53. Speranza
    54 | February 18, 2013 6:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Correct, FDR was a Patriot. He was economically misguided, but he did not hate America.

    Exactly. The same with LBJ who did an awful lot of lasting danger to America.


  54. 55 | February 18, 2013 6:28 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Yes, I saw a thing on the rise of the Nazis. They mentioned about Jewish supporters of the Nazis, many of whom where WWI veterans. They excuse they used was that the Nazis hated Non German Jews not German Jews.


  55. Speranza
    56 | February 18, 2013 6:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Correct, FDR was a Patriot. He was economically misguided, but he did not hate America.

    Richard Nixon- the last of the New Deal presidents. By the way Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey is retiring. He will be the last of the World War II veterans in the Senate.


  56. Moe Katz
    57 | February 18, 2013 6:30 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Yeah, fat lot of good that did them in the end.


  57. 58 | February 18, 2013 6:30 pm

    @ Speranza:

    On the political spectrum, Fascists actually are in the Center-Left. They are Economic Socialist, but hyper Nationalism. It was Il Duce who coined the term, 3rd Way. Many Leftists use that term. Its not a coincidence.


  58. 59 | February 18, 2013 6:31 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Nixon was more a man of the Left than right. He was never accepted by the Left because of Alger Hiss.


  59. darkwords
    60 | February 18, 2013 6:31 pm

    @ 52 yenta-fada: My impression is that people who sensed internally that they are racists voted for Obama. And people who felt little of such thoughts voted the economy and foreign policy. Racial voting has no practical outcome. It’s a bottomless pit to spiral into.


  60. Speranza
    61 | February 18, 2013 6:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    On the political spectrum, Fascists actually are in the Center-Left. They are Economic Socialist, but hyper Nationalism. It was Il Duce who coined the term, 3rd Way. Many Leftists use that term. Its not a coincidence.

    There is a huge difference between patriotism and nationalism. Nationalism usually leads to wars (see Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany).
    Reagan was a patriot.


  61. Speranza
    62 | February 18, 2013 6:32 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 52 yenta-fada: My impression is that people who sensed internally that they are racists voted for Obama. And people who felt little of such thoughts voted the economy and foreign policy. Racial voting has no practical outcome. It’s a bottomless pit to spiral into.

    Racism is an obsession with race and that fits most of the Left to a “T”.


  62. Moe Katz
    63 | February 18, 2013 6:34 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I think you need two dimensions to make sense of it. On the north-south axis you have statism—anarchism, and on the east-west axis you have public ownership—private ownership. This gives you four quadrants in which to classify ideologies, which is still not adequate but better than trying to put it all on one continuum.


  63. Speranza
    64 | February 18, 2013 6:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Nixon was more a man of the Left than right. He was never accepted by the Left because of Alger Hiss.

    And his recognition of the difference between the USA and the USSR (despite his fondness for “detente” which actually propped up the Soviet Union and probably kept it going a decade longer than it did).

    Btw -- Putin is becoming more of a nationalist.


  64. lobo91
    65 | February 18, 2013 6:35 pm

    Silly women…you’re just not smart enough to know when you’re actually in danger:

    Colorado Dem On Why Women Don’t Need Guns: You May “Feel Like You’re Going To Be Raped, When You May Actually Not Be”…

    “There are some gender inequities on college campuses… that’’s why we have call boxes, that’s why we have safe zones, that’s why we have the whistles. Because you just don’t know who you’re gonna be shooting at. And you don’t know if you feel like you’re gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone’s been following you around or if you feel like you’re in trouble when you may actually not be, then you pop out that gun and you pop, pop around at somebody.”

    For the first time in my life, I’m not proud of my state…
    //


  65. 66 | February 18, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ Speranza:

    It all depends and what kind of Nationalism. But that is whole other subject!


  66. darkwords
    67 | February 18, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ 62 Speranza: You see a lot of the young kids on twitter these days using “black” and “white” as adjectives for almost anything. That is a all a creation of the liberal mindset born in K-12.

    Now it could all work out well if people ameliorate the intent or it could go badly and re segregate the whole country. I think low info voters tend to be the kind that will segregate.


  67. 68 | February 18, 2013 6:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    War on women!


  68. 69 | February 18, 2013 6:37 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Totally agree!


  69. darkwords
    70 | February 18, 2013 6:38 pm

    @ 65 lobo91: Gun consciousness over gun control. Not every woman is an illiterate gang member with a false sense of pride.


  70. yenta-fada
    71 | February 18, 2013 6:38 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 52 yenta-fada: My impression is that people who sensed internally that they are racists voted for Obama. And people who felt little of such thoughts voted the economy and foreign policy. Racial voting has no practical outcome. It’s a bottomless pit to spiral into.

    A lot of social issues have no business in politics. The separation of Church and State ought to be maintained. By politicizing everything, you end up in eternal gridlock.


  71. darkwords
    72 | February 18, 2013 6:40 pm

    @ 63 Moe Katz: I’m kinda a two dim person here also.
    D1 = tradition versus change line
    D2 = small versus big line

    D5 is where the libs belong. Out of touch with reality.


  72. Moe Katz
    73 | February 18, 2013 6:42 pm

    @ darkwords:
    Interesting.


  73. 74 | February 18, 2013 6:43 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    That is a very good explanation!


  74. yenta-fada
    75 | February 18, 2013 6:45 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 63 Moe Katz: I’m kinda a two dim person here also.
    D1 = tradition versus change line
    D2 = small versus big line
    D5 is where the libs belong. Out of touch with reality.

    We can go back to the Victorian era for the ‘apes versus angels’ debates. Any construct imposed on messy human behavior fails to explain why civilization has not changed significantly except for technological advances.
    History is a better guide than social theories imo.


  75. buzzsawmonkey
    76 | February 18, 2013 6:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Silly women…you’re just not smart enough to know when you’re actually in danger:

    Well, gosh, you know those women—they’re hysterical. They can’t be expected to know when they’re being stalked by someone with malevolent intent or not—they’re only women, after all.

    Geez. How dismissive and patronizing. On the other hand, this is a Democrat, let’s not forget. His experience with “women” is probably limited to trying to placate dour, angry feminist types who believe all heterosexual sex is rape—Andrea Dworkin wannabees. From his experience, it’s entirely possible that he’s aware most of these women who are Democratic Party activists would plug a man just to watch him die. So maybe he’s not just being a patronizing pig—maybe he’s confirming something people have long suspected about Democrat female operatives.


  76. lobo91
    77 | February 18, 2013 6:46 pm

    And Colorado continues its slide into becoming a leftist hellhole:

    Colorado House passes ban on concealed weapons on campus, slew of other gun bills

    Concealed weapons on college campuses would be banned under a bill passed Monday in the Colorado House, legislation part of a Democratic gun control package that cleared the House the same day.

    House Bill 1226, which bans concealed weapons on public college campuses, passed the House on a 34-31 vote, with three Democrats voting no.

    Democrats argued guns and college students don’t mix and that campuses are some of the safest places in America.

    “There are a lot of students who simply are not ready to be in the presence of firearms,” said Rep. Claire Levy, D-Boulder, the sponsor of the bill. “It’s a dangerous mix.”

    The bills again are:

    • House Bill 1229 requiring background checks for all gun transactions;

    • House Bill 1226 banning concealed weapons on campuses;

    • House Bill 1228 instituting a fee for gun buyers to cover the cost of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to perform background checks; and

    • House Bill 1224 limiting magazines to 15 rounds.


  77. buzzsawmonkey
    78 | February 18, 2013 6:46 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    ‘apes versus angels’

    In my gym classes, we just did “shirts versus skins.”


  78. Speranza
    79 | February 18, 2013 6:47 pm

    Obama unlike most fascists, is an American minimalist. He wants to diminish America in the world all the while having government control over the people increase. As Rodan says, he is a transnationalist.


  79. 80 | February 18, 2013 6:50 pm

    @ Speranza:

    You have to laugh at this!

    FSA: We will Treat Hizbullah Fighters as ‘Mercenaries’


  80. darkwords
    81 | February 18, 2013 6:50 pm

    @ 73 Moe Katz: I think modern infinity analysis though still requires a futurist to go the next step and the next smaller step and the next next smaller step when dealing with dimensions.

    Take yours, take mine. Weight them, find a growth model they all fit in that represents expanding human consciousness, the pulse of faith, and the E=mc2 of information explosion as related to digesting it.

    So at the end of it all you either have a lot of garbage or a useful system.

    The words useful and system together to me imply a slant to tradition. Liberal goals are just a far target on the horizon that one shouldn’t actually put into practice.

    Sort of like two jocks stealing a nerd’s hat and tossing it back and forth while the nerd chases it. Maybe that is too cruel of an analogy?


  81. Moe Katz
    82 | February 18, 2013 6:51 pm

    @ Speranza:
    To some extent, isn’t that just the mood of the American people? I mean, after 5 years of recession, does the public have the stomach for an activist foreign policy and its costs?


  82. Bumr50
    83 | February 18, 2013 6:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    We had pinnies.


  83. yenta-fada
    84 | February 18, 2013 6:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Your description of Democrat women activists made me truly lol. I know a few, and they love their men. However, I give you full artistic license in describing a real type. hahaha…I think there are lot of people out there mean enough to plug someone to watch them die.


  84. darkwords
    85 | February 18, 2013 6:55 pm

    @ 77 lobo91: When politicians are trying to desensitize the citizens to this level of control and regulation the balancing effect is mass parades where everyone is armed. Gun Consciousness parades where gun safety is made.

    To me that is a Veterans Parade.

    We have the Blue Angels here every year in Seattle. A lot of locals complain about their dog getting scared. They are loud. But it is the one time in my life I feel an immense sense of pride and patriotism in my life about the people behind the machine and the sacrifice it takes to live in a free world.

    Respecting the 2nd Amendment is something the libs should learn to do. Yes there is a cost to it.


  85. yenta-fada
    86 | February 18, 2013 6:58 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    To some extent, isn’t that just the mood of the American people? I mean, after 5 years of recession, does the public have the stomach for an activist foreign policy and its costs?

    Ozero has started wars and the left (and the press) remain silent. Libya, Yemen, et.al. Crickets. As long as the smiley black guy does it, it’s not really war. /


  86. Moe Katz
    87 | February 18, 2013 7:00 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Those were all very limited commitments of forces and resources, however. I don’t think the will is there for another Afghanistan or Iraq.


  87. Speranza
    88 | February 18, 2013 7:02 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 62 Speranza: You see a lot of the young kids on twitter these days using “black” and “white” as adjectives for almost anything. That is a all a creation of the liberal mindset born in K-12.
    Now it could all work out well if people ameliorate the intent or it could go badly and re segregate the whole country. I think low info voters tend to be the kind that will segregate.

    Low information voters are the natural constituents for the totalitarian mindset.


  88. Speranza
    89 | February 18, 2013 7:05 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    To some extent, isn’t that just the mood of the American people? I mean, after 5 years of recession, does the public have the stomach for an activist foreign policy and its costs?
    Ozero has started wars and the left (and the press) remain silent. Libya, Yemen, et.al. Crickets. As long as the smiley black guy does it, it’s not really war. /

    Obama’s war is ultimately on the American people. To break them economically and to break their morale/spirit and to an large extent he is succeeding. Our last chance to avoid the cataclysmic effects of Obama was last November. Yet despite being a miserable POTUS he won re-election.


  89. Speranza
    90 | February 18, 2013 7:06 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Respecting the 2nd Amendment is something the libs should learn to do. Yes there is a cost to it.

    “The constitution is a living document” is their refrain.


  90. yenta-fada
    91 | February 18, 2013 7:07 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Those were all very limited commitments of forces and resources, however. I don’t think the will is there for another Afghanistan or Iraq.

    I agree with you there. However, when it comes to Islamic nations, there is no such thing as limited commitments. Islamic Supremacism knows no borders. There are jihadists from every country, including the West, involved in Syria, Mali, Gaza, etc. The true nature of this war is masked in appeasement and politically correct rhetoric.


  91. Speranza
    92 | February 18, 2013 7:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You have to laugh at this!
    FSA: We will Treat Hizbullah Fighters as ‘Mercenaries’

    Kill them.


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    93 | February 18, 2013 7:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    “The constitution is a living document” is their refrain.

    “It’s alive! It’s alive!”


  93. yenta-fada
    94 | February 18, 2013 7:08 pm

    Dinner bell, mockers. :-)


  94. Moe Katz
    95 | February 18, 2013 7:08 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Which is why this administration is trying like hell to let other countries do the heavy lifting and not get entrapped in another quagmire.


  95. Moe Katz
    96 | February 18, 2013 7:09 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Dinner bell, mockers.

    Bon appetit.


  96. Speranza
    97 | February 18, 2013 7:10 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Which is why this administration is trying like hell to let other countries do the heavy lifting and not get entrapped in another quagmire.

    Every thing to them is a “quagmire”. The beaches at Normandy would be a “quagmire” in their definition of things.

    “Leading from behind” is another way of saying “following”.


  97. Moe Katz
    98 | February 18, 2013 7:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Every thing to them is a “quagmire”. The beaches at Normandy would be a “quagmire” in their definition of things.

    “Leading from behind” is another way of saying “following”.

    Unfortunately, I agree. I see America in decline as a global power under this administration.


  98. Speranza
    99 | February 18, 2013 7:12 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    “The constitution is a living document” is their refrain.
    “It’s alive! It’s alive!”

    Nothing like a monster in a sports jacket. It shows that at least he is making an attempt even though the sports jacket never fits.


  99. Speranza
    100 | February 18, 2013 7:14 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Every thing to them is a “quagmire”. The beaches at Normandy would be a “quagmire” in their definition of things.
    “Leading from behind” is another way of saying “following”.

    Unfortunately, I agree. I see America in decline as a global power under this administration.

    Obama wants America to disengage from the world stage as he does not think we are a force for good. You can see the influence of the “Dreams from My Father” mentality in action.


  100. buzzsawmonkey
    101 | February 18, 2013 7:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Nothing like a monster in a sports jacket. It shows that at least he is making an attempt even though the sports jacket never fits.

    “Big and Tall Monster Shoppes” had not yet opened a branch in Mitteleuropa.


  101. Moe Katz
    102 | February 18, 2013 7:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    You can see the influence of the “Dreams from My Father” mentality in action.

    Yep.


  102. Speranza
    103 | February 18, 2013 7:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Nothing like a monster in a sports jacket. It shows that at least he is making an attempt even though the sports jacket never fits.

    “Big and Tall Monster Shoppes” had not yet opened a branch in Mitteleuropa.

    I mean Frankenstein’s sports jacket is always too small for his body. Couldn’t they have come up with a bigger size for him?


  103. Moe Katz
    104 | February 18, 2013 7:19 pm

    @ Speranza:
    For a monster, the tail would be the big problem. You’d need a single vent at the back, very deeply cut.


  104. Speranza
    105 | February 18, 2013 7:19 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    You can see the influence of the “Dreams from My Father” mentality in action.

    Yep.

    If an Obama had come to the presidency in the early 1970′s, the USSR under Brezhnev would have gobbled up Western Europe.


  105. heysoos
    106 | February 18, 2013 7:20 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    Nothing like a monster in a sports jacket. It shows that at least he is making an attempt even though the sports jacket never fits.
    “Big and Tall Monster Shoppes” had not yet opened a branch in Mitteleuropa.

    I mean Frankenstein’s sports jacket is always too small for his body. Couldn’t they have come up with a bigger size for him?

    the Edger Winter look?


  106. Moe Katz
    107 | February 18, 2013 7:20 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Very likely.


  107. Speranza
    108 | February 18, 2013 7:20 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    For a monster, the tail would be the big problem. You’d need a single vent at the back, very deeply cut.

    Frankie did not have a tail. I wonder how they got the top of his head so flat.


  108. buzzsawmonkey
    109 | February 18, 2013 7:21 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I mean Frankenstein’s sports jacket is always too small for his body. Couldn’t they have come up with a bigger size for him?

    There wasn’t enough fabric in the sleeves to let them out when they added the hands and extra forearm bits. As to the jacket being too tight in the body, ol’ Frankie was just a hipster before his time.


  109. Moe Katz
    110 | February 18, 2013 7:22 pm

    I’m reminded of the scene in Woody Allen’s Sleeper, with the robot tailor speaking Yiddish dialect.


  110. Speranza
    111 | February 18, 2013 7:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    There wasn’t enough fabric in the sleeves to let them out when they added the hands and extra forearm bits. As to the jacket being too tight in the body, ol’ Frankie was just a hipster before his time.

    Yeah he would fit in on Bedford Avennue subway station waiting to get into a jammed packed “L” train.


  111. Speranza
    112 | February 18, 2013 7:24 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    I’m reminded of the scene in Woody Allen’s Sleeper, with the robot tailor speaking Yiddish dialect.

    Oh man I loved the Woody Allen films from that era!


  112. Moe Katz
    113 | February 18, 2013 7:25 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, he was brilliant back then….


  113. Speranza
    115 | February 18, 2013 7:30 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, he was brilliant back then….

    That was before he started taking Vincent Canby’s (film critic for the New York Times) declarations of him (Woody Allen) being an intellectual genius seriously. Also hooking up with Mia Farrow did not help him professionally by his insistence on her being the lead actress in about 12 films.


  114. Speranza
    116 | February 18, 2013 7:30 pm

    Back in a hour!


  115. Moe Katz
    117 | February 18, 2013 7:45 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Strange scene where they take the measurements in inflections vaguely resembling Jewish tropes.


  116. Moe Katz
    118 | February 18, 2013 7:47 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, he was brilliant back then….

    That was before he started taking Vincent Canby’s (film critic for the New York Times) declarations of him (Woody Allen) being an intellectual genius seriously. Also hooking up with Mia Farrow did not help him professionally by his insistence on her being the lead actress in about 12 films.

    Leaving Mia for Soon Yi pretty much turned off what was left of his fan club, I think.


  117. brookly red
    119 | February 18, 2013 7:50 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    There wasn’t enough fabric in the sleeves to let them out when they added the hands and extra forearm bits. As to the jacket being too tight in the body, ol’ Frankie was just a hipster before his time.

    Yeah he would fit in on Bedford Avennue subway station waiting to get into a jammed packed “L” train.

    they do the mash, the monster mash… it caught on in a flash


  118. brookly red
    120 | February 18, 2013 7:52 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, he was brilliant back then….

    That was before he started taking Vincent Canby’s (film critic for the New York Times) declarations of him (Woody Allen) being an intellectual genius seriously. Also hooking up with Mia Farrow did not help him professionally by his insistence on her being the lead actress in about 12 films.

    Leaving Mia for Soon Yi pretty much turned off what was left of his fan club, I think.

    no the anti-Semitic pedophiles loved it…


  119. Moe Katz
    121 | February 18, 2013 7:53 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Heh….


  120. brookly red
    122 | February 18, 2013 7:54 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Heh….

    you want I should give you a Q-tip? you heard me.


  121. Moe Katz
    123 | February 18, 2013 7:55 pm

    @ brookly red:
    LOL


  122. lobo91
    124 | February 18, 2013 7:56 pm

    @ brookly red:

    no the anti-Semitic pedophiles loved it…

    Is that a large demographic group?


  123. brookly red
    125 | February 18, 2013 7:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    no the anti-Semitic pedophiles loved it…

    Is that a large demographic group?

    well some just call them democrats


  124. Bumr50
    126 | February 18, 2013 8:31 pm

    Thad McCotter writes on Millard Fillmore.

    Millard Fillmore: A Re-Assailing

    Nice little piece.


  125. buzzsawmonkey
    127 | February 18, 2013 8:33 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Strange scene where they take the measurements in inflections vaguely resembling Jewish tropes.

    “Strange?” “Vaguely resembling?”

    No: very funny and intentional imitation.


  126. Moe Katz
    128 | February 18, 2013 8:47 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    So he was living up to the name Eddie Cantor.


  127. Speranza
    129 | February 18, 2013 9:10 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    There wasn’t enough fabric in the sleeves to let them out when they added the hands and extra forearm bits. As to the jacket being too tight in the body, ol’ Frankie was just a hipster before his time.
    Yeah he would fit in on Bedford Avennue subway station waiting to get into a jammed packed “L” train.

    they do the mash, the monster mash… it caught on in a flash

    I remember that song.


  128. Speranza
    130 | February 18, 2013 9:11 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, he was brilliant back then….
    That was before he started taking Vincent Canby’s (film critic for the New York Times) declarations of him (Woody Allen) being an intellectual genius seriously. Also hooking up with Mia Farrow did not help him professionally by his insistence on her being the lead actress in about 12 films.

    Leaving Mia for Soon Yi pretty much turned off what was left of his fan club, I think.

    He’s a Progressive, Hollywood still loves him.


  129. dwells38
    131 | February 18, 2013 10:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    I’m reminded of the scene in Woody Allen’s Sleeper, with the robot tailor speaking Yiddish dialect.
    Oh man I loved the Woody Allen films from that era!

    Check the cell structure. LOL!


Back to the Top

The Blogmocracy

website design was Built By David