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The pernicious side of conspiracy theorists

by Flyovercountry ( 83 Comments › )
Filed under Uncategorized at February 21st, 2013 - 9:00 am

I remember sitting in my college dormitory cubicle as a Freshman at The Ohio State University many years ago, drinking more beer than any one 18 year old idiot should ever have been allowed to imbibe. As with all drunks, and various other people who altered their thought processes through better living via modern or in this case, ancient chemistry, I came up with, and went along with some real gems. Our drunken discussions included the Kennedy assassination, The Loch Ness Monster, UFO’s, Bigfoot, the Face on Mars, and what ever else the world of crazies tried to convince us was real. In that drunken stupor you see, (which my Freshman and Sophomore years in college pretty much were, in their entirety,) I still found it impossible to believe that anyone could fall for those particular pieces of nonsense. The thing about conspiracy theories is this, while they may be fun to kick around, there is also a certain amount of malevolence to most of them. (The gems we came up with usually involved idiotic pranks, spray paint, mild explosives, more beer, swimming in nearby rivers, or any other thing a parent may worry about their foolish unsupervised teen kids doing.)

There is a certain amount of narcissism that is necessary for these things to be believed. The thought that, “I might know something that the majority of my fellow humans are clueless about,” lends a feeling of unearned gravitas to the fraternity of believers. Each theory itself becomes a sort of cult, an us versus them club in which the non believers are viewed as some sort of brainwashed group of lemmings.

Another aspect of the phenomenon is that it is difficult for people to believe that life itself would have the unmitigated gall to allow the universe to be in any way, shape, or form, chaotic. The thought that an American President, one as beloved as much as JFK was at the time, could be brought down by such an unimportant, and until then extremely insignificant little punk that Lee Harvey Oswald was, seemed anathema to the inherent order of the cosmos that each human by his nature expects. Great men and great institutions you see must only be brought down by other great men or great institutions. This may shock some of you, but the single most dangerous animal on planet Earth is a mosquito. Mosquito’s account for more human deaths each year than any other cause, (not combined, but individually.)

Another aspect of this phenomenon is every person’s need to be necessary. Knowing the hidden truth behind disastrous events that few people know of is something that lends the purveyor of these theories instant self importance, and espousing that truth to the brainwashed masses so that they might awaken, is certainly a valuable part of the gravitas earned. The self promotional delusion that all of man kind is benefiting from the police action of spilling the beans, elevates the conspiracy theorist to the head of the class of all importance.

Here is a fairly funny compilation of some of the more popular candidates for what I like to call the soup pot hall of fame.

Those things in themselves are not really harmful. I can even understand the fun that some might find in participating in the discussion. Are both of the Presidents Bush actually descendants of reptilian aliens seeking to take over the Earth? Admit it, if you don’t believe it, (and it would take years of abusing hallucinogenic drugs to believe it,) then the smallest hint of a smile formed on your lips, or at least a smirk. For about three and one half seconds, pondering these insane meanderings of the human mind seeking to form an alternate reality can be a fun way to pass the time when you just want to shut your brain down for some deserved vacation from the reality that is there every day.

There is a down side to all of this however, and that comes with a fourth aspect to those theories. They require a healthy dose of paranoia. Each of these theories requires a bogey man to be the locus of the conflict. And as some other groups in our world learned via rather harsh lessons, being the bogey man is not much fun at all. With the Presidents Bush being space aliens theory, the bogey man are the Bush men, and of course the non existent reptilian space aliens. I say go ahead and hate on those space aliens all you want, since they don’t exist in the real world, there’s no harm. Not all conspiracy theories however are quite so benign.

I’m going to let you in on a secret here, not a conspiracy, just a peek into where I’m coming from. My article a couple of days ago about Norman Borlaug brought out some interesting counterpoints. One person, and one only, accused me of being part of the Zionist conspiracy to control the world. Only an evil Zionist you see, or someone who was spoon fed his lessons in history from the Zionist effort to brainwash the masses would be willing to defend the evil Monsanto Corporation which is undoubtedly operating totally at the behest of those evil Zionists who wish to inflict their nefarious plans on the rest of man kind. I had to paraphrase his comments, as the administrators of that particular forum made it a point to delete his ramblings. So, I recommended that he wear a soup pot as a helmet complete with tin foil insulation and went about my day.

Then I decided to write about it all. There is a difference between conspiracy and conspiracy theory. That difference is called evidence. I once heard it said by a physicist that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That seems like sound advice for every aspect of my life. This is not a politically left or politically right kind of thing. I have seen these theories espoused from both sides of the aisle, but there is a sameness to all of them. Extraordinary claims are made, and a bogeyman is identified to be blamed for some perceived ill. While discussing my article which admittedly was written as a dagger meant for the, “organic farming,” crowd, I was hit with the following gem by the same fellow who accused me of being part of the Zionist entity who wished to control the world.

The Kosher industry has been extorting money from almost every consumer in America for decades, did you mind paying the kosher tax for putting their symbols on every food stuff? Where barely a couple percent of consumers actually buy Kosher?

Before we move on, a special note on my problem with the, “Organic farming,” crowd:

I could care less about your personal choices regarding what you choose to eat or purchase. In fact, I applaud your choices and commitment to your principles. It is your infliction upon my personal freedom to choose for myself that I protest. For all of the protestations about the massive agricultural lobby and how it has corrupted our legislative process, I can not help but notice that it is the, “organic only,” lobby which seeks to outlaw the group who wishes to use scientific farming methods as a means to feed the world, and not the other way round. This group wishes to see all non approved methods of farming outlawed within the next fifty years, and that’s hardly something envisioned or attempted by a group of victims.

And now, back to my point:

Let’s look at this particular conspiracy from birth to what should be its abortion, just as an example. For years, Rabbis have been going into America’s food producing companies, at the request of their congregants, to help people of the Jewish faith determine which foods were safe to eat from their religious perspective. For those who are christian, (and yes I realize that there are non Judeo Christian people in America,) people who wish to live their lives according to Kashrut law, will avoid purchasing prepared foods in a grocery if they are not sure if that product was prepared accordingly. They may want to eat Doritos for example, but might not be certain that the fat that those addictively delicious chips were fried was not rendered from some verboten animal, like a pig. The corresponding food manufacturers invite the visits because they wish to sell to as large a market as they can. The Rabbis do it for free, and if the product passes muster, then the corresponding companies are allowed to put one of the Hebrew Union College’s kosher approved symbols on their product. All it says is this, this symbol certifies that those keeping kosher are allowed to eat this. The entire process has added nothing to the cost of the product.

By the way, the Muslims do the same thing with foods prepared according to their dietary restrictions, and yet somehow, I have heard nothing about the Islam Tax. A few years after this fairly recent innovation, CAIR, and we’ll discuss this fine group of people later on, invented and began disseminating a rumor that this symbol represented a hidden tax imposed by that vast Zionist Conspiracy, of which apparently I am now a member, despite having missed each and every one of the secret meetings.

CAIR, for those of you who do not know, is the public relations tentacle of the Muslim Brotherhood, which operate here in America. They are also unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation Terror Funding Plot. CAIR, amongst its many other activities, pays couch potatoes to sit in front of their computers and spread their anti-Semitic crap on various web based forums, such as the comment boards here. They publish material and push their bile through a slickly funded campaign, and have made some inroads on a few fronts. The Kosher tax and the USS Liberty are two examples of those efforts. (The Liberty is a different topic entirely, and please let’s not go down that road on this thread. Anyone who wishes would easily convince me to open that particular can of worms and give it the discussion it so richly deserves all to itself.)

As I said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In this, and every case of the conspiracy theory, evidence is absent. What these stories have are a few disparate facts, no evidence, and a story made up to fit those facts. There is a reason why our system of jurisprudence requires the person making an allegation to prove it. Proving the negative is damn near impossible. I can not prove that none of the male members of the Bush family are reptilian aliens. I can not prove that I am not a reptilian alien. Yes, there is a symbol designed by the Hebrew Union College on many of the food products that you buy. That is where the factual portion of this particular story’s legend ends. I can not prove that there is no Kosher Tax, only that I have never ever seen any portion of our tax code, or any tax code which alludes to such. I am not an expert on our tax code by any stretch of the imagination, and yes there are passages that I have never seen, but the burden of proof does not lie with me. I have never seen one of these imbeciles present anything even remotely resembling evidence to support their extraordinary claim. When pushed for such evidence, here are some of the responses that you’ll get.

Open your eyes man.
I’m just asking questions man.
You can’t prove it isn’t true.
Look at the facts, that’s my evidence.
Quit allowing yourself to be brainwashed.

Then there’s the fact that these stories are invariably a liable which smears an entire swath of our fellow citizens. The 9/11, “truthers,” merely ask you to accuse every member of the U.S. government of either murdering their very own friends and neighbors, or acting to cover up those murders. The same is true for the, “Chemtrail,” crowd. In each of these stories, we are asked to hate some random swath of society, and that’s evil. Full disclosure here, I’m Jewish. So, imagine my surprise to learn that I was involved in some sort of conspiracy to not only impose a tax upon the remainder of society, despite the fact that I am really against all taxation, but that I’m part of a cabal which seeks world domination. I have news for each and every person reading this. I have worries just like you do. I am fully caught up in that shit storm that is adult life, like working in order to feed self and family, keeping shelter over my head, and I just generally do not have time to take over the Earth, nor would I know what to do with it once such a takeover was complete.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

UPDATE: Well, that didn’t take long. I heard from someone who used to be an industry insider, and here’s what he told me.

FYI – the rabbi’s that audited a food company I used to work for did charge a fee but it was not much in the big scheme of things. No more than you would pay an accountant to do a similar sized audit (probably less). Both provide a service. Here is the fee for minimal certification: The AKC mails a contract if it is determined that the plant can meet our requirements for kosher certification. The contract will include all kosher requirements and any applicable fees. Some certification fees are as low as $100 a month. The fee depends on the complexity of the facility, the number of products certified, location and travel costs, and the number of visits required. AKC certification fees are some of the lowest in the kashruth industry. They are typically 30% to 50% less than some of the other national certifications.

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83 Responses to “The pernicious side of conspiracy theorists”
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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | February 21, 2013 9:06 am

    :lol:

    i LOVE conspiracy theory!

    what a great post! allowed by the masoniluminatizionistcabal. this time. for a reason.


  2. Speranza
    2 | February 21, 2013 9:14 am

    Of course it is the Joooooos fault.


  3. MikeA
    3 | February 21, 2013 9:24 am

    Its a conspiracy that Obama is after our guns… Wait… that one is real…

    I gotta work on this conspiracy stuff… ;)


  4. The Osprey
    4 | February 21, 2013 9:25 am

    AKC? What does the American Kennel Club have to do with determining if food is Kosher or not?

    The world had gone to the dogs, I tell ya!


  5. 5 | February 21, 2013 9:32 am

    Are both of the Presidents Bush actually descendants of reptilian aliens seeking to take over the Earth?

    I actually do believe that. Although both were agents of the House of Saud, who are reptilians.


  6. 6 | February 21, 2013 9:37 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Funny no one ever mentions the real conspiracy involving the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia and Qatar’s influence on the US.


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | February 21, 2013 9:40 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Funny no one ever mentions the real conspiracy involving the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia and Qatar’s influence on the US.

    because it isnt a conspiracy. there isnt anything secret about it.


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | February 21, 2013 9:41 am

    MikeA wrote:

    Its a conspiracy that Obama is after our guns… Wait… that one is real…
    I gotta work on this conspiracy stuff…

    get a tin foil hat. sit in a dark room. meditate….


  9. 9 | February 21, 2013 9:44 am

    What an interesting post!

    Conspiracy theory can be an amusing diversion….right up to the point when it becomes an obsession that clouds one’s perception of reality itself. I know far too many people, people in my own family, who spout many of these outrageous conspiracy theories with a straight face as though it should be obvious to all. I’ve tried to talk reason but the thing about a hard core conspiracy theorist is that they simply will not be dissuaded by facts and reason- they’re not animated by reality, they’re animated by their chosen perception of reality. This isn’t a particularly new phenomenon, I think it’s an aberration of that part of hard wiring that continually questions current reality.

    Yes, these things do tend to have a dark side; we often use these conspiracy theories to affix blame, to put a face on the reason for our misery, to assign a scapegoat, pack it up and run it out of town. The Jews seem to always be an attractive scapegoat. The rampant Jew-hatred that swept across Germany in the 1930s was no more than a massive conspiracy theory that resulted in the extermination of 6 million souls and a war that engulfed the continent and then the world.

    There are many examples of large and small scale conspiracy theories resulting in unspeakable evil. We should take these things more seriously than we do, the Internet is a breeding ground heretofore unmatched in its ability to grow this mind fungus.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | February 21, 2013 9:46 am

    @ MacDuff:

    dude, really. it is the joooooos fault. all of it.


  11. 11 | February 21, 2013 9:48 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Alex Jones and the 9/11 truthers are a case in point. Also people went overboard with the Obama Birth Certificate.


  12. 12 | February 21, 2013 9:48 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Nah its those evil Russian Commies I tell ya!
    ///


  13. 13 | February 21, 2013 9:49 am

    I must say, excellent post. “Extraordinary claims require extraodinary proof” is a basic tenaet of life. In fact, the proof requirement for any claim is on the claimant. That’s a principle of basic logic. A subject that went out of style decades ago, and one which never did gain much of a foothold at any time. People indulge in “magical thinking.” Conspiracy theories are just the smallest bump on that particular iceberg.


  14. MikeA
    14 | February 21, 2013 9:50 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    get a tin foil hat. sit in a dark room. meditate….

    Sit in a dark room, get a glass of single malt and meditate… I could really get into that!


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | February 21, 2013 9:52 am

    @ Mike C.:

    ha! thats what they want you to think.

    this is just a post to divert you from the truth!


  16. 16 | February 21, 2013 9:52 am

    A few years after this fairly recent innovation, CAIR, and we’ll discuss this fine group of people later on, invented and began disseminating a rumor that this symbol represented a hidden tax imposed by that vast Zionist Conspiracy, of which apparently I am now a member, despite having missed each and every one of the secret meetings.

    I will dispute this point here. I have seen this claim from neo-nazi conspiracy and white anti-semites before I even heard or knew about CAIR. In fact I have seen these claims over twenty years ago.


  17. 17 | February 21, 2013 9:53 am

    @ MikeA:
    @ MacDuff:
    @ Rodan:

    A good example of someone who was consumed by Conspiracy theories is Charles Johnson. He has convinced himself and his followers that Tobacco Companies are behind Neo-Nazis, The Tea Party, the Republican party, Vlaams Belang, Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Robert Spencer, Pam Geller, Newt Gingrich, The Catholic Church, the State of Tennessee and whatever is his latest pet peeve of the day is.


  18. coldwarrior
    19 | February 21, 2013 9:55 am

    MikeA wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    get a tin foil hat. sit in a dark room. meditate….
    Sit in a dark room, get a glass of single malt and meditate… I could really get into that!

    with a 25 year old laphroiag. i buy one bottle of it a year or so.

    just make sure you have at least some tinfoil in the house.


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | February 21, 2013 9:57 am

    Actually, there is a charge for kosher certification—even rabbis have to eat. There are a number of different heckshers—kosher markings—the most widely-accepted being the OU from the Orthodox Union, but there are many others; Star-K is, alas, the only one I can think of at the moment, but there are pages and pages of such marks, each indicating a kosher-certifying group, in the publications devoted to what is and is not kosher.

    I picked up some artichoke hearts a while back which had a Peruvian hecksher (they were a product of Peru), and had to scrabble around a bit to find out who was behind the mark and whether their certification was considered reliable. The hecksher from the Vaad Rabonim of Queens is considered very reliable, as is the hecksher from the Orthodox council of Chicago. The plain “K” is not considered reliable by people who care about these things, and there are some people who consider Star-K unreliable. I forget who it is who provides the certification for Hebrew National salami, but it is not OU, and many people who keep strict kashrus do not consider it a good certification.

    Kosher certification, however, is an example of the free market at work. Nobody is forcing anyone to assume it; companies choose to obtain it because they consider the nominal expense to be a reasonable payment for obtaining entry into a market that would otherwise be closed to them. Some companies acquire it, some dispense with it. When I was a kid, Hostess cupcakes and Twinkies were not kosher because they used lard. When Hostess went to a different ingredient, it acquired certification. Welch’s grape juice used to be kosher, but it hasn’t carried a hecksher for many years now. There’s a local organic grape juice, very good, which was kosher up until a few months ago, but decided that it was not worth the trouble—grape juice being a particular issue because even non-alcoholic grape juice is technically “wine” under kosher standards, and there are more stringent standards for wine because it is used in religious observance as opposed to merely being consumed as food.


  20. 21 | February 21, 2013 10:04 am

    Rodan wrote:

    A good example of someone who was consumed by Conspiracy theories is Charles Johnson. He has convinced himself and his followers that Tobacco Companies are behind Neo-Nazis, The Tea Party, the Republican party, Vlaams Belang, Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Robert Spencer, Pam Geller, Newt Gingrich, The Catholic Church, the State of Tennessee and whatever is his latest pet peeve of the day is.

    ….and while they’re concentrating on all of these pretend threats, our real enemies are amassing force and influence to be used against us. This obfuscation, whether intended or merely psychotic, is incredibly dangerous and the only way to combat this madness is to call it thus, loudly and often.


  21. huckfunn
    22 | February 21, 2013 10:05 am

    Hey, kids! New conspiracy theory. Rubio and Netanyahu conspire to corner the market on bottled water.


  22. MikeA
    23 | February 21, 2013 10:06 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    When the wife and I were in Scotland 5 years ago, near the Isle of Skye, we had this real peaty scotch that was awesome. Don’t remember the name since we were in a little pub and just asked for a couple of glasses of the local good stuff. Should have bought a few bottles..

    Of course, it might have been a conspiracy and it may have not been kosher, didn’t look. ( to stay on topic… )


  23. buzzsawmonkey
    24 | February 21, 2013 10:06 am

    I assume, by the way, that food companies pay to get halal certification also. Understand that since there are far more restrictions for strict kosher certification than there are for halal certification, for the most part—for things like prepared vegetables, or cheese—something that is certified kosher will be considered halal. It is my understanding (possibly faulty) that someone who observes halal restrictions will even eat kosher meat that is not halal-certified, but in no case is a halal certification considered to be sufficient for those who observe kashrus.


  24. 25 | February 21, 2013 10:08 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Hey, kids! New conspiracy theory. Rubio and Netanyahu conspire to corner the market on bottled water.

    The Jews and the Vatican, PERFECT!


  25. buzzsawmonkey
    26 | February 21, 2013 10:09 am

    MikeA wrote:

    Of course, it might have been a conspiracy and it may have not been kosher, didn’t look.

    All Scotch is kosher, except during Passover, when none of it is (because it is a grain product). There was, I believe, some controversy in the past because some Scotch is aged in old sherry casks, and there are therefore trace elements of non-kosher wine in the casks—but most authorities consider this sufficiently minimal so as not to pose a problem.


  26. huckfunn
    27 | February 21, 2013 10:11 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    The Jews and the Vatican, PERFECT!

    … and the Cubans. A Joobanican plot.


  27. 28 | February 21, 2013 10:12 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I actually do believe that. Although both were agents of the House of Saud, who are reptilians.

    They’re Visitors?


  28. MikeA
    29 | February 21, 2013 10:12 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    All Scotch is kosher, except during Passover, when none of it is (because it is a grain product). There was, I believe, some controversy in the past because some Scotch is aged in old sherry casks, and there are therefore trace elements of non-kosher wine in the casks—but most authorities consider this sufficiently minimal so as not to pose a problem.

    Controversey!!!!! See, it is a conspiracy!!!!


  29. 30 | February 21, 2013 10:13 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    A Joobanican plot.

    Gawd that’s FUNNY!!


  30. 31 | February 21, 2013 10:14 am

    @ Rodan:
    @ MacDuff:

    TENNESSEE BOERESTAAT!


  31. buzzsawmonkey
    32 | February 21, 2013 10:15 am

    Speaking of genuine conspiracies:

    Apparently the same-sex marriage advocates are now using Republicans in an ad to push for legalization.

    They are now calling it “Respect for Marriage”; it will be interesting to see if “RFM” replaces “Marriage Equality,” which of course replaced “Marriage Must Be Destroyed.”

    The fun thing in the second link is seeing how the article starts out with a blatant lie: “The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) singles out lawfully married same-sex couples for unequal treatment under federal law.” Not so. The Defense of Marriage Act was passed in 1996. The creation of the first legal recognition of same-sex marriage did not occur until 2004.

    Since the creation of a legal recognition for same-sex marriage did not occur until eight years after the DOMA was signed into law, it is that new-fangled legal recognition which created any “unequal treatment” in the first place.


  32. 33 | February 21, 2013 10:17 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    [Deleted]


  33. huckfunn
    34 | February 21, 2013 10:19 am

    From the opposite end of the conspiracy spectrum; conspiracy denial.
    State Dept. Still Downplaying Religious Element in Terrorist Threat Advisory

    (CNSNews.com) – A State Department “worldwide caution” updating U.S. citizens about potential terror threats has little to say about the fact that most of the terrorist groups targeting Americans profess themselves to be inspired by Islam.

    The 2,000-plus word memo released this week does not use the word “Muslim” at all. “Islam” is used only where it appears in the actual name of a militant group (such as the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan), and in reference to “anti-Islamic videos and cartoons,” which the department says were linked to some anti-Western violence last September.

    The memo uses the term “Islamist” only once – to describe extremist groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba that are active in South Asia.

    Elsewhere the advisory is silent on the religious/ideological motivation driving the majority of anti-Western terrorist groups.

    Stupefying stupidity.


  34. 35 | February 21, 2013 10:38 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Stupefying stupidity.

    Also known as Marxist “Smart Power”… :twisted:


  35. 36 | February 21, 2013 10:40 am

    @ huckfunn:

    When we don’t even have the courage to name our enemy, we’ve no chance at all of actually defeating them. Where the f**k do they find these assclowns? Oh yeah, never mind, they spew forth from the Ivy League.


  36. citizen_q
    37 | February 21, 2013 10:43 am

    Good morning! Great Post!

    O/T Feel Good story

    Shoe shiner donates $200K in tips to children in need

    For 32 years, Lexie has been examining his schedule each morning, like a doctor on the clock. But the longtime shoe shiner’s gift isn’t healing, it’s giving back.

    A shoe shine costs $5, but Lexie said customers have been generous with their tips since he started working at the hospital in 1981.

    “Most of them give $6, some of them give $7,” Lexie told Channel 4 Action News anchor Wendy Bell.

    And Lexie gives every cent of his tips back to the children.


  37. huckfunn
    38 | February 21, 2013 10:48 am

    @ doriangrey:
    @ MacDuff:
    Don’t ya know that our enemies (and our allies) are simply laughing at us. The Rooskie foreign minister didn’t even return Kerry’s phone call for a week. Global warming and islamist denial are now the lead policy positions of the U.S. Snake Department. We have become a laughing stock.


  38. coldwarrior
    39 | February 21, 2013 10:49 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    All Scotch is kosher,

    as it should be.

    seriously.


  39. coldwarrior
    40 | February 21, 2013 10:49 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    A Joobanican plot.

    :lol:

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  40. huckfunn
    41 | February 21, 2013 10:53 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    I love the way Rubio has rammed that water bottle right up MSM’s butt.


  41. lobo91
    42 | February 21, 2013 10:55 am

    Speaking of conspiracies:

    MSNBC’s David Axelrod And Baghdad Bob Gibbs Deny They Have A “Pro-Obama” Bias…

    Yeah…it would be crazy to think that two of Obama’s closest advisors would be pro-Obama…
    //


  42. 43 | February 21, 2013 10:56 am

    @ Rodan:

    As I said, the difference between Conspiracy and Conspiracy Theory is actual evidence. That ought to do it.


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    44 | February 21, 2013 10:57 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    There are lots of alcoholic drinks that are not kosher, because of various additives—usually because there is some element of grape juice (i.e., non-kosher wine), but sometimes for other reasons. For example, the famous worm in the tequila bottle would render the tequila nonkosher, because the presence of a dead nonkosher insect or similar animal will make something nonkosher even if the food would be kosher otherwise.

    This can pose a problem with foods like artichokes or cabbages, where some kind of grub has bored its way into the plant. Usually, finding this sort of thing and removing it in the course of preparing it will be sufficient, but there are a lot of rules surrounding this.


  44. buzzsawmonkey
    45 | February 21, 2013 10:58 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Yeah…it would be crazy to think that two of Obama’s closest advisors would be pro-Obama…

    Well…they do know him…


  45. coldwarrior
    46 | February 21, 2013 11:00 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I love the way Rubio has rammed that water bottle right up MSM’s butt.

    he gets it. take it to the MSM and rub their noses in it.


  46. 47 | February 21, 2013 11:00 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hence, my update.


  47. coldwarrior
    48 | February 21, 2013 11:03 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    the kosher laws fascinate me.


  48. citizen_q
    49 | February 21, 2013 11:06 am

    Speaking of conspiracies

    Three young British Muslims found guilty of plotting ‘another 7/7′ with team of eight suicide bombers, rucksacks packed with explosives and training trips to Pakistan -- all funded by charity donations

    Three British Muslims have been found guilty of planning a terrorist attack to rival 9/11 or the 7/7 Tube bombings by packing eight rucksacks with explosives to cause mass casualties in the UK.

    Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, all from Birmingham, were today convicted of plotting the ‘spectacular campaign’ designed to claim as many lives as the 2005 London Underground bombs that killed 52 innocent people.

    Inspired by hate preacher Anwar al-Awlaki, the trio were ‘central figures’ in an al-Qaeda backed extremist plot to set off bombs and other deadly weapons in crowded areas across Britain.

    But the three, who called themselves the Four Lions after the black comedy film, only failed because of their own bungling.

    The group had set up a sophisticated fraud by pretending to be Muslim Aid charity street collectors, duping legitimate supporters and at least one mosque into giving them thousands of pounds.

    However, they then lost £9,000 by making catastrophic investments, tried to secure huge loans to compensate and then failed to destroy evidence of their plotting that police then found in their Midlands safe house.

    Judge Justice Henriques said: ‘You were seeking to recruit a team of suicide bombers to carry out a spectacular bombing campaign, one which would create an anniversary along the lines of 7/7 or 9/11′.

    The bomb plotters had the means, the will and the know-how to carry out mass murder in the biggest terror attack on the British mainland ‘in a generation’, detectives said.

    Six other men have already admitted or been found guilty of being part of the terror cell, it can also be revealed today.

    The friends had been going to Pakistan to train how to make bombs and use weapons since March 2009.

    By 2011 they were being watched by MI5 and police, who had bugged their car and headquarters.

    The investigation, known as Operation Examine/Pitsford, grew to be the 450-strong counter-terror unit’s largest ever, resulting in 12 arrests and smashing one of the most serious terror bomb plots of recent years.

    In one chilling warning, Naseer was covertly recorded saying of the UK: ‘The only thing you will achieve is suicide bombers on your streets, spilling so much blood you’ll have nightmares for the rest of your life.’

    Khalid even boasted that the attack was ‘another 9/11′ as ‘revenge for everything’.

    As well as planning a series of suicide bombing, the cell was also heard talking about the possibility of mixing poison into creams such as Vaseline or Nivea and smearing them on car handles to cause mass deaths. The trio even pondered welding blades to a truck and driving it into people.


  49. 50 | February 21, 2013 11:07 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Nah, no bias here. George Stephanopolus doesn’t have any, either. That birth control question had real relevance, doncha know?


  50. lobo91
    51 | February 21, 2013 11:09 am

    Looks like I have to go out and clear off several inches of global warming.

    Another conspiracy…


  51. 52 | February 21, 2013 11:10 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I actually have heard Aryan Brotherhood/Neo Nazi types claims that Catholicism is a Jewish conspiracy to enslave Europeans to Jews. Their proof is that the Pope and the Cardinals wear Yarmulkes.

    So the Vatican-Israel thing has been around. Al-Qaeda has also referenced this Zionist-Papist plot.


  52. 53 | February 21, 2013 11:11 am

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    As I said, the difference between Conspiracy and Conspiracy Theory is actual evidence. That ought to do it.

    Charles Johnson and his Tobacco Conspiracy theory is one of the luniest.


  53. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | February 21, 2013 11:16 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    MSNBC’s David Axelrod And Baghdad Bob Gibbs Deny They Have A “Pro-Obama” Bias…

    One would hope that they at least had the grace to wipe Obama’s ejaculate from their lips before they said this.


  54. coldwarrior
    55 | February 21, 2013 11:16 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    the kosher laws fascinate me.

    should say the history behind the kosher laws fascinate me.


  55. coldwarrior
    56 | February 21, 2013 11:17 am

    off to the home brew store…

    mrs coldwarrior want me to make belgian style. looks like i’m back in the beer making game.

    this is clearly a moscow led conspiracy.


  56. coldwarrior
    57 | February 21, 2013 11:20 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    mrs coldwarrior want me to make belgian style

    as opposed to gangnam style

    yeah!


  57. 58 | February 21, 2013 11:20 am

    Republcians really are useless.

    f there is no deficit deal by March 1, 49% say congressional Republicans would be more to blame while just 31% would mostly blame President Obama.

    They do nothing and get blamed. They really have a communication problem.


  58. 59 | February 21, 2013 11:22 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Islamic “charities” are pretty much all front-groups for terrorist activities. The only real charity in Islam is donations to Jihad. You’ll notice that when there’s a major disaster like an earthquake or flood in the Islamic world it is the West that sends all the charity workers. The Islamic charities are saving their funds for Jihad.


  59. Moe Katz
    60 | February 21, 2013 11:24 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    One would hope that they at least had the grace to wipe Obama’s ejaculate from their lips before they said this.

    Oh, come now….


  60. 61 | February 21, 2013 11:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    I actually have heard Aryan Brotherhood/Neo Nazi types claims that Catholicism is a Jewish conspiracy to enslave Europeans to Jews. Their proof is that the Pope and the Cardinals wear Yarmulkes.

    So the Vatican-Israel thing has been around. Al-Qaeda has also referenced this Zionist-Papist plot.

    When you make enemies like the Aryan Brotherhood and the Muslims, you must be doing something right! Catholics and Jews were also the original targets of the Klan, as well.

    BTW, have you heard that there’s renewed buzz emanating from Rome about the possibility of an American Pope (Dolan or the Archbishop of Boston)? I’ll believe it when I see it, but the speculation is great fun!


  61. 62 | February 21, 2013 11:41 am

    @ MacDuff:

    It would be interesting having an American pope.


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    63 | February 21, 2013 11:45 am

    Speaking of conspiracy theories, I was listening to some blather or other about Cardinal Dolan and child molestation in the Catholic Church on NPR this morning.

    I find it extremely odd that the very people who think that sexualizing children at ever-earlier ages is a good idea and who often are in favor of removing any age-of-consent barriers to sexual activity are also the ones up in arms (supposedly) over the allegations being leveled at the Catholic Church.

    I also find it interesting that so many people are convinced that the alleged sexual abuse was so traumatic as to be utterly life-twisting, when sexual congress of all sorts here there and everywhere is supposed to be such a wonderful thing. I find it extremely suspicious, too, that so many of these allegations surface decades after the alleged incidents are claimed to have occurred, when proof (or disproof) is almost impossible, and I am inevitably reminded of the “satanic day-care child abuse” hysteria which swept the nation back in the early ’80s, and which was later proven to be entirely false.

    I am sure that there is inappropriate sexual activity within the Catholic Church, merely because there is inappropriate sexual activity everywhere—not least, I might add, between teachers and students in the public schools. But it is impossible not to suspect that a good fat portion of the allegations being leveled at the Church are at least as bogus as those which were flying about during the satanic day-care hysteria; that many people are climbing on the bandwagon in hope of a big payoff or to blame someone else for their failures in life; or to attack the Church simply because it still stands, if battered, as a voice against the unfettered sexualization which exists in the rest of society.


  63. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | February 21, 2013 11:46 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    BTW, have you heard that there’s renewed buzz emanating from Rome about the possibility of an American Pope (Dolan or the Archbishop of Boston)? I’ll believe it when I see it, but the speculation is great fun!

    In light of my post #63, I’d wager that NPR’s concentration Dolan vis a vis the sex-abuse allegations is at least partly calculated to forestall the possibility.


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | February 21, 2013 11:50 am

    It would be fun to see a massive Catholic demonstration, with the participants chanting, “The streets belong to the papal!”


  65. citizen_q
    66 | February 21, 2013 11:52 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The Islamic charities are saving their funds for Jihad.

    And dawa, though the difference is only in semantics.


  66. 67 | February 21, 2013 11:53 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    off to the home brew store…
    mrs coldwarrior want me to make belgian style. looks like i’m back in the beer making game.
    this is clearly a moscow led conspiracy.

    Clearly… :razz:


  67. citizen_q
    68 | February 21, 2013 11:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The Islamic charities are saving their funds for Jihad.

    Oh, and remember a key feature of so-called islamic loans is some mechanism for zakat.


  68. buzzsawmonkey
    69 | February 21, 2013 12:00 pm

    It’s not a conspiracy theory if they’re really doing it; take a look at this Tom Paxton performance from 1965.


  69. lobo91
    70 | February 21, 2013 12:04 pm

    Biden’s Shotgun Advice To Wife Would Land Her In Jail On Felony Aggravated Menacing, Reckless Endangering Charges…

    I guess we know why he had to give up practicing law and go into politics…


  70. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | February 21, 2013 12:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Obama Regime Says Companies Who Run Background Checks On Potential Employees Are Discriminating Against Minorities, Threatens To Sue…

    Clearly this is his way of trying to improve the unemployment situation in the black community.


  71. 73 | February 21, 2013 12:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It’s not a conspiracy theory if they’re really doing it; take a look at this Tom Paxton performance from 1965.

    Damned commie bastard…


  72. 74 | February 21, 2013 12:10 pm

    New Thread.


  73. 75 | February 21, 2013 12:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    This is going to cause insurance problems.


  74. buzzsawmonkey
    76 | February 21, 2013 12:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    New Thread.

    But this one’s so much fun! And it’s cozy!


  75. citizen_q
    77 | February 21, 2013 12:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Biden’s Shotgun Advice To Wife Would Land Her In Jail On Felony Aggravated Menacing, Reckless Endangering Charges…
    I guess we know why he had to give up practicing law and go into politics…

    My first thoughts when I saw this story yesterday, or Brandishing. One thing you can say about biden is that he manages to say so many bad and stupid things so densely, one hardly knows where to begin refuting and or mocking them.


  76. lobo91
    78 | February 21, 2013 12:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    This is going to cause insurance problems.

    As if they care…


  77. 79 | February 21, 2013 12:13 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    off to the home brew store…
    mrs coldwarrior want me to make belgian style. looks like i’m back in the beer making game.
    this is clearly a moscow led conspiracy.

    Clearly…

    Throw the Russian a curve, and get a Russian Imperial
    Stout kit instead of that Belgian piss water crap… :twisted:


  78. lobo91
    80 | February 21, 2013 12:14 pm

    We need background checks for political candidates.

    //Looking at you, Jesse Jackson Jr…


  79. Da_Beerfreak
    81 | February 21, 2013 4:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    MikeA wrote:

    Its a conspiracy that Obama is after our guns… Wait… that one is real…
    I gotta work on this conspiracy stuff…

    get a tin foil hat. sit in a dark room. meditate….

    I can not let a thread like this pass without providing some helpful information for anyone in the market for effective aluminum foil protective headgear for personal use. :wink:

    On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets: An Empirical Study

    Here is the truth the Government does not want you to know… :shock:


  80. Da_Beerfreak
    82 | February 21, 2013 5:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Republcians really are useless.

    f there is no deficit deal by March 1, 49% say congressional Republicans would be more to blame while just 31% would mostly blame President Obama.

    They do nothing and get blamed. They really have a communication problem.

    Propaganda works… :evil:


  81. Da_Beerfreak
    83 | February 21, 2013 5:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It would be fun to see a massive Catholic demonstration, with the participants chanting, “The streets belong to the papal!”

    Power to the Papists. :wink:


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