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Hollywood aligns itself with three U.S. senators against “Zero Dark Thirty”

by Speranza ( 265 Comments › )
Filed under Al Qaeda, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Media, Progressives, September 11 at February 22nd, 2013 - 11:30 am

Another reason to hate John McCain and the Republican Establishment which foisted his sorry ass upon us in 2008.

by Daniel Henninger

Before Hollywood blackballs “Zero Dark Thirty” director Kathryn Bigelow this Sunday evening, a final and much-deserved stare is in order at the source of this distasteful snub—Senators Dianne Feinstein, Carl Levin and irresistibly along for the ride, John McCain. Had Senators Feinstein, Levin and McCain (FLM) not saddled up their high horses in a Dec. 19 letter to Sony Pictures denouncing the movie, “Zero Dark Thirty” would not be out of the running for best picture at the Oscars.

Unjolly Ed Asner does not have the clout to intimidate the Academy Awards into dropping Kathryn Bigelow from consideration for best director. Absent the FLM letter, what remained were articles from the fever swamps of the left-wing media, such as “How ‘Zero Dark Thirty’ Brought Back the Bush Administration.” Efforts by “Lincoln” screenwriter Tony Kushner and others to stop Hollywood’s collaboration with the senators came to naught.

But while Hollywood pulled down the shades to leave “Zero Dark Thirty” alone in the street with Washington’s hitters, the film was reviving memories for many others.

After September 11, when those of us who worked in that lower-Manhattan neighborhood returned to our offices, one unforgettable memory was the pit called Ground Zero. That vast space sat vacant for years—the ripped walls, the rubble, the emptiness. Many of us walked past the pit twice a day, and nearly every hour of the year—no matter how cold the day—there would be visitors staring into it in silence.
[.......]

At the end of the movie, when the SEALs team hits the ground in Abbottabad, it is an intense 20 minutes that, shall we say, closes the circle. After the FLM letter did its damage to “Zero Dark Thirty,” a group called 9/11 Parents & Families of Firefighters and WTC Victims pushed back with a statement that didn’t get much notice. The movie, they said, was “a rare moment of justice and elation.”

None of this was on the minds of the senators. We know that because in their letter to Sony there is no mention of Sept. 11, or the London bus and subway bombings, or Khobar Towers or any of the other acts of terror shown in “Zero Dark Thirty.” Senators. Feinstein and Levin wanted attention drawn to their report on the CIA’s interrogations and detentions, for which committee staff “reviewed 6 million pages of records.”

[.......]

“We believe,” FLM wrote to Sony Chairman Michael Lynton, “the film is grossly inaccurate and misleading in its suggestion that torture resulted in information that led to the location of Usama bin Laden.” The movie’s “suggestion”? Only a politician would have the skill to hang condemnation around a slippery word like “suggestion.” But it worked. Sen. Feinstein completely unbalanced public discussion of the movie.

Suddenly it was a film about waterboarding, rather than what Kathryn Bigelow and screenwriter Mark Boal produced: The story of U.S. intelligence officers spending years digesting an incomprehensible flow of half-baked data, making mistakes and wrong calls, some getting blown up themselves by suicide bombers and finally, after three of them ride around teeming Peshawar in a Jeep with some tracking device, they nail the identity of bin Laden’s courier. On May 2, 2011, bin Laden was dead. That’s “Zero Dark Thirty.”

But not for Dianne Feinstein or the Hollywood hundreds. Here’s her denunciatory letter’s best part: “The use of torture in the fight against terrorism did severe damage to America’s values and standing that cannot be justified or expunged. It remains a stain on our national conscience. We cannot afford to go back to these dark times. . . . You have a social and moral obligation to get the facts right.”

This letter gives moralism new meaning. “We cannot afford to go back to these dark times.” How true.

If one sits to the end of the long credits for “Zero Dark Thirty,” you’ll see these last words about those dark times: “The filmmakers wish to especially acknowledge the sacrifice of those men, women, and families who were most impacted by the events depicted in this film: the victims and the families of the 9/11 attacks; as well as the attacks in the United Kingdom; the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, Pakistan; in Khobar, Saudi Arabia; and at the Camp Chapman Forward Operating Base in Afghanistan.  [......]”

Hollywood won’t do this Sunday. Instead, the members of the Academy will take a seat beside the intimidations of three U.S. senators. It is going to be an evening to remember in Hollywood’s most unusual history.

Read the rest – Hollywood forgets 9/11

 

 

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  1. Speranza
    1 | February 22, 2013 11:34 am

    A bit long but not a bad movie.


  2. Speranza
    2 | February 22, 2013 11:35 am

    I cannot remember the last time I watched the Academy Awards.


  3. Speranza
    3 | February 22, 2013 11:36 am

    If Ed Asner is not a Red I don’t know what qualifies any one to be called a communist.


  4. Speranza
    4 | February 22, 2013 11:36 am

    Diane Feinstein is ow officially dumber then Patty Murray.


  5. Speranza
    5 | February 22, 2013 11:39 am

    I remember “Crash” as being the first Best Picture that nobody ever saw.


  6. Speranza
    6 | February 22, 2013 11:40 am

    Why McCain feels the need to interject himself into certain things is beyond me.


  7. 7 | February 22, 2013 11:41 am

    Speranza wrote:

    If Ed Asner is not a Red I don’t know what qualifies any one to be called a communist.

    he’s a Stalinist.


  8. 8 | February 22, 2013 11:41 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Why McCain feels the need to interject himself into certain things is beyond me.

    He’s an embarrassment.


  9. Speranza
    9 | February 22, 2013 11:41 am

    That terror attack in Hyderabad has the Pakistani ISI m.o. all over it.


  10. Speranza
    10 | February 22, 2013 11:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Why McCain feels the need to interject himself into certain things is beyond me.

    He’s an embarrassment.

    He has become an embittered old man.


  11. The Osprey
    11 | February 22, 2013 11:42 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I cannot remember the last time I watched the Academy Awards.

    I can’t remember the last time you watched them either!

    Nor can I remember the last time I watched them.

    I do remember watching them as a child and a teenager, back when there was still some grace and dignity to the event, before it became an occasion to engage in leftist posturing.


  12. Speranza
    12 | February 22, 2013 11:42 am

    McCain’s ranting about water boarding played right into Obama’s hands.


  13. 13 | February 22, 2013 11:43 am

    @ Speranza:

    We will call on India to be “restrained.”


  14. Speranza
    14 | February 22, 2013 11:43 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    I can’t remember the last time you watched them either!

    High-larious. However since so many people on this blog claim not to have a TV (I call massive bullshit on that) they would not get to watch it any way.


  15. 15 | February 22, 2013 11:43 am

    @ The Osprey:

    It’s Marxist propaganda.


  16. Speranza
    16 | February 22, 2013 11:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    We will call on India to be “restrained.”

    Make sure that they act in a “proportionate” manner, which means send a diplomatic note to Islamabad.


  17. Speranza
    17 | February 22, 2013 11:45 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    I do remember watching them as a child and a teenager, back when there was still some grace and dignity to the event, before it became an occasion to engage in leftist posturing.

    You will have to go back to the days before 1973.


  18. Bumr50
    18 | February 22, 2013 11:46 am

    @ Speranza:

    He gets asked!

    The MSM chases him down!

    Ask my reflexively Dem voting grandparents who they think of when they hear the word “Republican.”

    Bush is probably first, but McCain will be a close second because that’s the limit of their Republican party exposure. Maybe George Will once in a blue moon.


  19. 19 | February 22, 2013 11:46 am

    @ Speranza:

    You are going to love this. Lebanese salafists (AKA Al-Qaeda) are preparing for a showndown against Hizb’Allah in Sidon!

    Assir militants deploy against “Hezbollah hit”

    Salafi Sunni Sheikh Ahmad al-Assir said Friday’s deployment of his armed supporters around his Sidon mosque was in self-defense against Hezbollah members who were allegedly trying to break in.

    “Sheikh Ahmad al-Assir, after his Friday sermon, called on everyone to fulfill their duty of protecting the mosque from suspicious military positions that Iran’s party [in reference to Hezbollah] has setup around [the mosque],” a statement issued on Assir’s official Facebook page said.

    The statement alleged that a number of four-wheel-drive cars with tinted windows driven by armed Hezbollah members started driving around the mosque, which provoked Assir’s supporters who were praying inside.

    The move was considered “an attempt to break into the mosque and kill the Sheikh… which prompted the mosque’s private guard to protect him,” the statement added.


  20. Speranza
    20 | February 22, 2013 11:46 am

    “The Hurt Locker” directed by Kathryn Bigelow which won best picture was a good but not memorable movie.


  21. Speranza
    21 | February 22, 2013 11:47 am

    Rodan wrote:

    You are going to love this. Lebanese salafists (AKA Al-Qaeda) are preparing for a showndown against Hizb’Allah in Sidon!

    Let them kill each other and use the dead bodies as fertilizer.


  22. 22 | February 22, 2013 11:48 am

    @ Speranza:

    One of Bush’s lowest moments was him getting India to back off going after Pakistan after the ISI had Al-Qaeda bomb their Parliament.


  23. Speranza
    23 | February 22, 2013 11:48 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He gets asked!
    The MSM chases him down!
    Ask my reflexively Dem voting grandparents who they think of when they hear the word “Republican.”
    Bush is probably first, but McCain will be a close second because that’s the limit of their Republican party exposure. Maybe George Will once in a blue moon.

    The MSM has their “usual suspects” of Republicans who they turn to and McCain is number 1 on that list.


  24. Speranza
    24 | February 22, 2013 11:49 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    One of Bush’s lowest moments was him getting India to back off going after Pakistan after the ISI had Al-Qaeda bomb their Parliament.

    He had a bunch of “lowest moments” for me.


  25. 25 | February 22, 2013 11:49 am

    @ Speranza:

    I admit, I am enjoying the Syrian war.


  26. Speranza
    26 | February 22, 2013 11:49 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    If Ed Asner is not a Red I don’t know what qualifies any one to be called a communist.

    he’s a Stalinist.

    That he is and a nasty guy too.


  27. Speranza
    27 | February 22, 2013 11:50 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I admit, I am enjoying the Syrian war.

    I am thoroughly enjoying it.


  28. Speranza
    28 | February 22, 2013 11:51 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Ask my reflexively Dem voting grandparents who they think of when they hear the word “Republican.”

    There are a lot of those “reflexively voting Democrats” out there. Many are FDR generation people.


  29. 29 | February 22, 2013 11:53 am

    @ Speranza:

    I wish the Economist would shut up.

    As Syria disintegrates, it threatens the entire Middle East. The outside world needs to act before it is too late

    Let it disintegrate.


  30. 30 | February 22, 2013 11:54 am

    @ Bumr50:

    The people I know who vote Dem because they fear the Republcian party always mention this name, Rick Santorum.


  31. Bumr50
    31 | February 22, 2013 11:56 am

    @ Rodan:

    That’s a different demographic.

    My grandparents have an unshakable trust in old media.


  32. 32 | February 22, 2013 11:57 am

    They’re just pissed because no one photoshopped a bulging biceps Oblahblah into the attack helicopter.


  33. Speranza
    33 | February 22, 2013 12:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I wish the Economist would shut up.
    As Syria disintegrates, it threatens the entire Middle East. The outside world needs to act before it is too late
    Let it disintegrate.

    For a conservative (allegedly) magazine, The Economist is anti-Israel and has been for quite some time.


  34. coldwarrior
    34 | February 22, 2013 12:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    The people I know who vote Dem because they fear the Republcian party always mention this name, Rick Santorum.

    get his name right.

    he is to referred to as his excellency, the most holy, right reverend father sanctimonious santorum.


  35. Speranza
    35 | February 22, 2013 12:04 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    They’re just pissed because no one photoshopped a bulging biceps Oblahblah into the attack helicopter.

    and don’t forget, Obama killed bin Laden.


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | February 22, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ Speranza:

    the economist hasnt been a conservative mag since the mid 90′s or so.

    i used to subscribe and read it form the mid 80′s to early 2000′s.


  37. Speranza
    37 | February 22, 2013 12:05 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    he is to referred to as his excellency, the most holy, right reverend father sanctimonious santorum.

    Padre Pio Ricardus Santorumus


  38. Speranza
    38 | February 22, 2013 12:05 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    the economist hasnt been a conservative mag since the mid 90′s or so.
    i used to subscribe and read it form the mid 80′s to early 2000′s.

    The New Statesman is even worse!


  39. 39 | February 22, 2013 12:05 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Yeah, true.


  40. buzzsawmonkey
    40 | February 22, 2013 12:05 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    get his name right.

    he is to referred to as his excellency, the most holy, right reverend father sanctimonious santorum.

    Don’t forget about his line of vitamins, “Santorum Silver”…


  41. coldwarrior
    41 | February 22, 2013 12:06 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    he is to referred to as his excellency, the most holy, right reverend father sanctimonious santorum.
    Padre Pio Santorumus

    jeeze, that guy us such a colossal punk.


  42. 42 | February 22, 2013 12:07 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I really despise him. He’s a Socialist who hides behind Religion.


  43. coldwarrior
    43 | February 22, 2013 12:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    the economist hasnt been a conservative mag since the mid 90′s or so.
    i used to subscribe and read it form the mid 80′s to early 2000′s.

    The New Statesman is even worse!

    true.

    ‘foreign policy’ has gone all lefty as well.


  44. buzzsawmonkey
    44 | February 22, 2013 12:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The people I know who vote Dem because they fear the Republcian party always mention this name, Rick Santorum.

    That is very similar to the gays and squashy-lefties I know who always—ALWAYS—cite PhelpsCo. when they talk about “the dangerous Christian right.” Even if they do not cite PhelpsCo. directly, whatever horror story they are retailing invariably goes back to PhelpsCo.

    Yet people have difficulty believing that PhelpsCo. is a Democrat-funded false-flag operation.


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | February 22, 2013 12:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I really despise him. He’s a Socialist who hides behind Religion.

    maybe if he werent such an ass he wouldn’t have lost his senate seat by 16%!


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    46 | February 22, 2013 12:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s a Socialist who hides behind Religion.

    Like Jeremiah Wright and Pfather (pfui) Pfleger?


  47. 47 | February 22, 2013 12:10 pm

    @ Rodan:

    What ius one more failed state n a region of failed states? There’s nothing that makes Syria special. Egypt, maybe, but not Syria.


  48. 48 | February 22, 2013 12:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Santorum did a lot of damage last year. Romney fought him with kids gloves and he tried to out Santorum Santorum. I wish Romney would have went nuclear on him and turn him into a persona non grata.


  49. 49 | February 22, 2013 12:11 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    What ius one more failed state n a region of failed states? There’s nothing that makes Syria special. Egypt, maybe, but not Syria.

    I’m cool with failed Islamic states. I hope they all fail and disintegrate. It would help towards world peace.


  50. 50 | February 22, 2013 12:11 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Yet people have difficulty believing that PhelpsCo. is a Democrat-funded false-flag operation.

    I don’t. It is the kind of thing George Soros would love to do, and there are all kinds of unanswered questions about where PhelpsCo’s money comes from. You know if there funding was coming from a Conservative source it would have been exposed years ago.


  51. citizen_q
    51 | February 22, 2013 12:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I admit, I am enjoying the Syrian war.

    I am too. However, I won’t consider them seriously fighting each other until they start calling each other Jews. Maybe I missed it?

    O/T I get my bandages off and stitches out of my hand in a few hours!!!!
    Yea!


  52. 52 | February 22, 2013 12:15 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The politician who scares me the most is Andrew Cuomo.

    Top Cuomo Aide Delivers Public Rebuke of State Worker Who Talked to the Press

    Mike Fayette broke the rules. An engineer at the New York State Transportation Department, he gave an interview to a reporter from The Adirondack Daily Enterprise.
    In the interview, Mr. Fayette praised Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and the transportation workers who had labored to repair roads and bridges washed out by Tropical Storm Irene in 2011. No matter. His supervisors said he had not been authorized to speak to the press, and they moved to fire him; he retired instead and left in February.

    The story might have ended there — strange but small — but for the Cuomo administration’s reaction to an article about it that appeared on Wednesday in The Daily Enterprise.

    On Thursday, livid that an engineer in the Adirondacks was being portrayed as a victim of Mr. Cuomo’s penchant for control, a top aide to the governor, Howard B. Glaser, took to the airwaves. He read aloud Mr. Fayette’s disciplinary history, describing him as a troubled employee who had previously been penalized for having an improper relationship with a subordinate, misusing his work e-mail to send sexually explicit messages and using his state-assigned vehicle for personal errands.

    Cuomo is a Totalitarian fascist. He is really dangerous.


  53. 53 | February 22, 2013 12:16 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I am too. However, I won’t consider them seriously fighting each other until they start calling each other Jews. Maybe I missed it?

    They already have. Al-Nusra has accused Hizballah of cowardice because they do not fight Israel and Hizballah calls Al-Qaeda Zionist Mercenaries.


  54. 54 | February 22, 2013 12:17 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    get my bandages off and stitches out of my hand in a few hours!!!!

    Good to hear!


  55. Fritz Katz
    55 | February 22, 2013 12:19 pm

    Rodan: My apologies for the spam my Yahoo acct. sent you at 5:52am.

    As for Zero Dark Thirty, how is it that it gives all the credit for finding Bin Ladin to a cute, redhead, low-level CIA analyst when the Pakistani doctor who actually did it is now being tortured and rotting in a Pakistani jail — while the USA continues sending hundreds of millions to the Paki’s?


  56. Fritz Katz
    56 | February 22, 2013 12:19 pm

    Rodan: My apologies for the spam my Yahoo acct. sent you at 5:52am.

    As for Zero Dark Thirty, how is it that it gives all the credit for finding Bin Ladin to a cute, redhead, low-level CIA analyst when the Pakistani doctor who actually did it is now being tortured and rotting in a Pakistani jail — while the USA continues sending hundreds of millions to the Paki’s?


  57. citizen_q
    57 | February 22, 2013 12:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    I am too. However, I won’t consider them seriously fighting each other until they start calling each other Jews. Maybe I missed it?
    They already have. Al-Nusra has accused Hizballah of cowardice because they do not fight Israel and Hizballah calls Al-Qaeda Zionist Mercenaries.

    LOl! Alrighty then!

    My favourite rejoined to some idiot who speaks of islam’s respect for other faiths especially Jews, is to point out that when muslims are really angry with someone they accuse them of being Jews as their ultimate insult.


  58. citizen_q
    59 | February 22, 2013 12:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    get my bandages off and stitches out of my hand in a few hours!!!!
    Good to hear!

    Thanks! I am jazzed. Recovery seems to have gone well though I am anxious to see my hand. The last couple of days I noticed some light bruising sneaking past the bandages.

    My wife, my right hand as it were might possibly be happier. :-)


  59. Bumr50
    60 | February 22, 2013 12:26 pm

    On second thought, maybe it IS John Effing Kerry…

    Investigators looking into suspicious trading in H.J. Heinz Co. stock before the company’s $28 billion buyout by Warren Buffett and a Brazilian billionaire believe the trades originated with a Goldman Sachs private wealth client in Switzerland.

    But knowing that doesn’t guarantee investigators will be able to identify the investor they believe profited from knowledge of the Pittsburgh food giant’s sale last week — underscoring the challenges that arise with transactions from overseas accounts.

    The New York investment firm told authorities that the trades were made from an account in Zurich, but that it “does not have direct access to information about the beneficial owner or owners behind any particular transaction or position,” according to court documents.

    Although 90K into 1.7 mil seems like small fries for the Heinz-Kerrys.


  60. 61 | February 22, 2013 12:28 pm

    @ Fritz Katz:

    yeah funny how they changed that.


  61. 62 | February 22, 2013 12:30 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Great Post Dorian!


  62. buzzsawmonkey
    63 | February 22, 2013 12:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Cuomo is a Totalitarian fascist. He is really dangerous.

    It’s kind of fascinating, really: Mario Cuomo was a lefty progressive, but not totally impervious to reason and practical compromise. His son is a crazed fascist bastard.

    Ron Paul is a libertarian whackjob, with serious blindspots and some extremely, er, fragrant sympathies and supporters—but his son thus far appears to have his father’s virtues and to have jettisoned his father’s flaws.


  63. 64 | February 22, 2013 12:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Great Post Dorian!

    Thank You…


  64. 65 | February 22, 2013 12:33 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Cuomo would be a dangerous President, but I don’t think he has a shot at the nomination. He is a person of pallor, after all, and they aren’t favored minorities in the Democrat scheme. No, we may be faced with Hillary, but I don’t think Cuomo would get the nod. Nor do I think he could win if he did. Not if the GOP put up somebody marginally competant. You have to remember what a formidable candidate Obama was. Romney would have probably beaten a lesser candidate. Now, Cuomo would pull the Democrat base out, but not as much as Obama did. You have to remember that the Democrat base is basically a bunch of unmotivated slackers. They were jazzed to vote again for the First Black President, but another Old White Guy? Not so much.


  65. buzzsawmonkey
    66 | February 22, 2013 12:34 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Nicely done.


  66. 67 | February 22, 2013 12:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Nicely done.

    Thank you Buzz…


  67. buzzsawmonkey
    68 | February 22, 2013 12:36 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    another Old White Guy? Not so much.

    And an ugly, visibly nasty one at that. One of the best things about Andrew Cuomo is that his ugliness—that is, his internal ugliness—radiates from him in a visible aura. God willing, that will work to thwart his hideous ambition.


  68. Bumr50
    69 | February 22, 2013 12:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Great Post Dorian!

    Indeed.


  69. Speranza
    70 | February 22, 2013 12:40 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Cuomo would be a dangerous President, but I don’t think he has a shot at the nomination. He is a person of pallor, after all, and they aren’t favored minorities in the Democrat scheme. No, we may be faced with Hillary, but I don’t think Cuomo would get the nod. Nor do I think he could win if he did. Not if the GOP put up somebody marginally competant. You have to remember what a formidable candidate Obama was. Romney would have probably beaten a lesser candidate. Now, Cuomo would pull the Democrat base out, but not as much as Obama did. You have to remember that the Democrat base is basically a bunch of unmotivated slackers. They were jazzed to vote again for the First Black President, but another Old White Guy? Not so much.

    Cuomo looks and sounds like the characters who got shot at the end of the Godfather.


  70. Speranza
    71 | February 22, 2013 12:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    And an ugly, visibly nasty one at that. One of the best things about Andrew Cuomo is that his ugliness—t

    I call him “Mugsy Cuomo”.


  71. Speranza
    72 | February 22, 2013 12:41 pm

    OT -- anyone ever check out the comments on “Human events”? Talk about Jew hatred!!


  72. 73 | February 22, 2013 12:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Cuomo will play the Italian_American card. The media would then claim Italians are not really White. They will say look at Cuomo, he can pass for Hispanic and then the media will claim truthfully that Italians are related to Hispanics. Many Blacks do not view Italians as White.

    Cuomo can run as the 1st Italian-American President.

    Do not underestimate how Cuomo will not be seen as White. Mark my words and remember this term: Mediterranean-American.


  73. 74 | February 22, 2013 12:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Plus Italian Americans are not viewed as Anglo Saxon Whites. Hence Cuomo can play the minority card. It might work as well.


  74. Bumr50
    75 | February 22, 2013 12:44 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Haven’t been to Human Events in years.

    Don’t they pay Pat Buchanan?


  75. Speranza
    76 | February 22, 2013 12:45 pm

    I think that going forward the Democrats will look to always nominate either a woman or a “minority”. Martin O’Malley (Governor of Maryland) might well be the only white man they will nominate in the future. That is because he is so liberal and such a failure he is appealing to them.


  76. Bumr50
    77 | February 22, 2013 12:47 pm

    @ Speranza:

    They could call him our “First White Minority President.”


  77. Speranza
    78 | February 22, 2013 12:48 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Haven’t been to Human Events in years.
    Don’t they pay Pat Buchanan?

    Yes and the anti Semtism was in Buchanan’s article (and in the the comments posted).


  78. Speranza
    79 | February 22, 2013 12:49 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    They could call him our “First White Minority President.”

    Now that is funny!


  79. 80 | February 22, 2013 12:49 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He’ll still be white, though. And don’t forget the “White Hispanic” thing with George Zimmerman. Yeah, if Cuomo won the nomination the media would line up behind him, but they aren’t going to line up behind him against Hillary Clinton or any of the blacks who may want a shot at being the Second Black President. Cuomo won’t make it through the primaries, though I’m sure he believes that he can.


  80. 81 | February 22, 2013 12:50 pm

    @ Speranza:

    O’Malley can play up the Irish-American card and will claim Irish-Americans were an oppressed minority. With a compliant media, he could pull it off.

    My Dad told me that in Cuomo’s gubernatorial run in 2010, Cuomo had ads in Spanish saying that as an Italian-American he understood the Hispanic community because Both communities have shared history and culture. Cuomo will claim minority status, mark my words.


  81. Speranza
    82 | February 22, 2013 12:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Plus Italian Americans are not viewed as Anglo Saxon Whites. Hence Cuomo can play the minority card. It might work as well.

    That is a distinct possibility. However there is a strong dislike of New York throughout a good part of the country -- Red and Blue states.


  82. Speranza
    83 | February 22, 2013 12:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    O’Malley can play up the Irish-American card and will claim Irish-Americans were an oppressed minority. With a compliant media, he could pull it off.

    O’Malley ahs been a spectacular failure as governor and so has Deval Patrick.


  83. buzzsawmonkey
    84 | February 22, 2013 12:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Cuomo will play the Italian_American card. The media would then claim Italians are not really White.

    That would involve the Left taking us back to about 1900, when Jews, Italians—and, to some extent, even the Slavs and the Irish—were still not considered really “white.” It’s a level of racism that has not been current in the US since before the First World War.

    I’m not saying it couldn’t happen—hell, the Left is still operating under the “one drop rule” to declare the blanched melaninnies of the Obama Administration “African-American.” But it’s disgusting as hell.


  84. Speranza
    85 | February 22, 2013 12:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    He’ll still be white, though. And don’t forget the “White Hispanic” thing with George Zimmerman. Yeah, if Cuomo won the nomination the media would line up behind him, but they aren’t going to line up behind him against Hillary Clinton or any of the blacks who may want a shot at being the Second Black President. Cuomo won’t make it through the primaries, though I’m sure he believes that he can.

    It really depends on how many people are hurt by the Obama brand. I think the effects of Obama will be felt by more Americans in 2016 then were in 2012 especially when Obamacare kicks in.


  85. Lily
    86 | February 22, 2013 12:54 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:
    I can’t remember the last time you watched them either!
    High-larious. However since so many people on this blog claim not to have a TV (I call massive bullshit on that) they would not get to watch it any way.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I have never in my life said I don’t watch TV. I do declare!!!
    /the question you need to ask them is if they are downloading it and watching it on their computer…ba da boom!


  86. 87 | February 22, 2013 12:55 pm

    Good News:

    BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation today won a significant victory for concealed carry when the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals let stand a December ruling by a three-judge panel of the court that forces Illinois to adopt a concealed carry law, thus affirming that the right to bear arms exists outside the home.

    The ruling came in Moore v. Madigan, a case filed by SAF. The December opinion that now stands was written by Judge Richard Posner, who gave the Illinois legislature 180 days to “craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment…on the carrying of guns in public.” That clock is ticking, noted SAF Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb.

    “Illinois lawmakers need to create some kind of licensing system or face the prospect of not having any regulations at all when Judge Posner’s deadline arrives,” Gottlieb said. “They need to act. They can no longer run and hide from this mandate.”

    I am sure that Illinois will appeal it to the Supreme Court, but I don’t think the Court will overturn the appellate court here.


  87. 88 | February 22, 2013 12:56 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Cuomo won’t make it through the primaries, though I’m sure he believes that he can.

    Yes you are right, I was just talking about a general election. he has to get through the primaries first. That said, he is really scary and send shivers down my spine. If you get a chance, Youtube his speeches. They are really Hitlerian.


  88. Lily
    89 | February 22, 2013 12:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    “The Hurt Locker” directed by Kathryn Bigelow which won best picture was a good but not memorable movie.

    Saw it. Some said it was offensive…not sure for what. So the guy *liked* to un-bomb a bomb. I’d be more worried if he didn’t put his all into something like that.


  89. 90 | February 22, 2013 12:57 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I agree it is disgusting.


  90. 91 | February 22, 2013 12:58 pm

    Andrew Cuomo is as Un America as Obama.


  91. 92 | February 22, 2013 12:59 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Another person to not rule out, Elizabeth Warren. Many Leftists are pining for her.


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    93 | February 22, 2013 12:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Andrew Cuomo is as Un America as Obama.

    He’ll run on an appeal to Hispanics; to show that he identifies with them, he will use the campaign line, “Cuomo Esta Usted!”


  93. Da_Beerfreak
    94 | February 22, 2013 12:59 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:
    I can’t remember the last time you watched them either!
    High-larious. However since so many people on this blog claim not to have a TV (I call massive bullshit on that) they would not get to watch it any way.

    I have never in my life said I don’t watch TV. I do declare!!!
    /the question you need to ask them is if they are downloading it and watching it on their computer…ba da boom!

    I only watch the shows and movies I can steal off the Internet. My old analog TV is hooked to my cheap DVD player. Don’t even know if it still works, haven’t used it in years. :wink:


  94. Lily
    95 | February 22, 2013 12:59 pm

    So the meat of this question is….did Hollywood do right with *Zero Dark Thirty*???


  95. 96 | February 22, 2013 1:02 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    :lol:

    He really does scare me. Cuomo has alot of anger and hate towards this country.


  96. Lily
    97 | February 22, 2013 1:02 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Don’t even have to steal anymore…you can pay a couple bucks and stream it now days…now you can download it to your dvd player too and hence your TV. The world has changed a lot. (It’s all cool though my son says I’m still computer challenged) 8-)


  97. Lily
    98 | February 22, 2013 1:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Another person to not rule out, Elizabeth Warren. Many Leftists are pining for her.

    Ugh! Really? I don’t think she’ll get too far.


  98. buzzsawmonkey
    99 | February 22, 2013 1:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Cuomo has alot of anger and hate towards this country.

    He is more un-American than Obama. Andrew Cuomo was not the illegitimate child of a baby-mama who grew up in a foreign country and then was schooled by communists.


  99. Lily
    100 | February 22, 2013 1:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He really does scare me. Cuomo has alot of anger and hate towards this country.

    More than obama??? Really now. I have noticed anybody that is leftist is basically angry at the country for what I have no idea..and I would venture they don’t either.


  100. buzzsawmonkey
    101 | February 22, 2013 1:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Elizabeth Warren.

    The First Trans-racial Candidate—because merely believing you are of a different ethnicity makes it so!


  101. Lily
    102 | February 22, 2013 1:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Cuomo has alot of anger and hate towards this country.
    He is more un-American than Obama. Andrew Cuomo was not the illegitimate child of a baby-mama who grew up in a foreign country and then was schooled by communists.

    Answered my question while I was typing it. Dang you are good buzz! :)


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    103 | February 22, 2013 1:07 pm

    The Democratic Party is a clown car of fascist freaks.


  103. 104 | February 22, 2013 1:08 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s a possibility. Fauxcohontas appeals to the Feelings mean more than Facts base of the Democrat Party. And she’s a woman, so she can check off the “Protected Minority” checkbox. The Democrats are really going to want that if we nominate someone like Marco Rubio for President this time.


  104. 105 | February 22, 2013 1:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yes, Cuomo is even worse than Obama. Watch his speeches and you will get frightened.

    See his speech here and tell me this does not scare you.


  105. 106 | February 22, 2013 1:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The Democratic Party is a clown car of fascist freaks.

    That is a perfect description.


  106. Lily
    107 | February 22, 2013 1:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The Democratic Party is a clown car of fascist freaks.

    Yes they are. My youngest son says clowns are evil too. Smart young man I have there, it turns out he’s right.


  107. 108 | February 22, 2013 1:10 pm

    @ Speranza:
    It’s true, I have no t.v. Why waste my time watching stuff that I end up screaming at because they are/got it wrong so often. Easier on the blood pressure.


  108. buzzsawmonkey
    109 | February 22, 2013 1:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yes, Cuomo is even worse than Obama.

    Another reason Cuomo is worse than Obama is that Obama is lazy and sloppy. He lets his handlers do the dirty work while he hits the links.

    Cuomo is much more intelligent than Obama (by no means a difficult feat), and is possessed of a fearsome energy and willingness to work.


  109. buzzsawmonkey
    110 | February 22, 2013 1:12 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    It’s true, I have no t.v. Why waste my time watching stuff that I end up screaming at because they are/got it wrong so often.

    True. Watching TV is a waste of time that could more profitably be spent in self-abuse.


  110. Lily
    111 | February 22, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He thinks the second amendment is for hunting? Yes that is a rather scary speech. His types wouldn’t work too well in the South though.


  111. 112 | February 22, 2013 1:14 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    What scares me is if Rubio and Paul split Conservative/Libertarian voters and Jeb Bush or Christie. I hope Rubio and Rand make a non aggression pact or agree to support the other if one doesn’t have a chance.


  112. Speranza
    113 | February 22, 2013 1:14 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Yes, Cuomo is even worse than Obama.

    Another reason Cuomo is worse than Obama is that Obama is lazy and sloppy. He lets his handlers do the dirty work while he hits the links.
    Cuomo is much more intelligent than Obama (by no means a difficult feat), and is possessed of a fearsome energy and willingness to work.

    Let’s get this straight -- nobody is worse then Obama.


  113. 114 | February 22, 2013 1:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    Just wait until I do his abortion speech. That will really scare you.


  114. 115 | February 22, 2013 1:15 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I don’t know about that. Cuomo is even more of a totalitarian than Obama.


  115. Speranza
    116 | February 22, 2013 1:15 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    It’s true, I have no t.v. Why waste my time watching stuff that I end up screaming at because they are/got it wrong so often. Easier on the blood pressure.

    Cutting yourself off from the culture is not a wise thing in my opinion.


  116. 117 | February 22, 2013 1:16 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He scares me.


  117. Speranza
    118 | February 22, 2013 1:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I don’t know about that. Cuomo is even more of a totalitarian than Obama.

    Cuomo is a politician, Obama is an ideologue.


  118. buzzsawmonkey
    119 | February 22, 2013 1:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    He thinks the second amendment is for hunting?

    I would love—LOVE—to see a pro-Second Amendment video where someone discussed the “hunting” fallacy in front of a background that had the heads of politicians mounted as if they were hunting-trophy bucks, where the person discussing the Second Amendment said straight out that the purpose of the Amendment was to make sure that we’d have the ability to kill our leaders if they overstepped their bounds.


  119. Lily
    120 | February 22, 2013 1:16 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    It’s true, I have no t.v. Why waste my time watching stuff that I end up screaming at because they are/got it wrong so often. Easier on the blood pressure.

    There are some really good documentaries on TV and some good shows..just have to find them. I’d be up a creek without a paddle if I didn’t have my TV…yes I have been reading books, listening to music and been on the blog…but this recovery thing is boring. ;)
    /stay away from the news on TV or whatever annoys you…or watch oldie shows or movies. I stay away from stuff that will piss me off. ;)


  120. Speranza
    121 | February 22, 2013 1:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    The Democratic Party is a clown car of fascist freaks.
    Yes they are. My youngest son says clowns are evil too. Smart young man I have there, it turns out he’s right.

    When I was a kid I had Coulrophobia (fear of clowns).


  121. 122 | February 22, 2013 1:18 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Cuomo is scary.


  122. Speranza
    123 | February 22, 2013 1:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I stay away from stuff that will piss me off. ;)

    Bingo! That’s what I do. I do not watch PMSNBC.


  123. Speranza
    124 | February 22, 2013 1:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Cuomo is scary.

    In a mafia sort of way.

    Obama is a nightmare. Look at Hagel/Kerry/Brennan.


  124. buzzsawmonkey
    125 | February 22, 2013 1:19 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Let’s get this straight — nobody is worse then Obama.

    ONLY because he is the crazed Leftist currently in power.

    Cuomo, following in the wake of Obama, would be ideologically as bad as Obama, but worse in terms of efficiency.

    By the way—last night I tried to buy a large soda on the campus where I teach, and there were no more large cups, thanks to Mayor Fucking Bloomberg.


  125. Lily
    126 | February 22, 2013 1:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    PaladinPhil wrote:
    It’s true, I have no t.v. Why waste my time watching stuff that I end up screaming at because they are/got it wrong so often.
    True. Watching TV is a waste of time that could more profitably be spent in self-abuse.

    For some reason I don’t want to know.

    :shock:


  126. 127 | February 22, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Cuomo is full of anger is is very Totalitarian. Both Obama and Cuomo are different forms of the same evil.

    They are both very bad men.


  127. Lily
    128 | February 22, 2013 1:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Just wait until I do his abortion speech. That will really scare you.

    I’m already hearing the crap about abortion from the leftist’s in my family..and you know what it is scary! Heaven knows what this guy will says!


  128. 129 | February 22, 2013 1:21 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That is to be hoped for. We need to pick our horse for this race early, and not face so many distractions as we had last year. That doesn’t mean just go with whomever the Party Mandarins pick, though. The Party Mandarins have a notoriously bad record of picking Presidential material, probably because at the end of the day they don’t care very much about winning.


  129. 130 | February 22, 2013 1:21 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Cuomo would go even more Far left than Obama.


  130. 131 | February 22, 2013 1:21 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Cutting your self off from the culture is not a wise thing in my opinion.

    Some culture needs anti-biotics in my opinion. Much of what I have seen that is popular culture today is a waste of time and energy. I read, cruise the internet, and try to create stuff. Not to mention going out to see and meet people in the real world.


  131. 132 | February 22, 2013 1:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    As it stacks up here are how it breaks down:

    Conservatives:
    Marco Rubio
    Rand Paul
    Paul Ryan
    Bobby Jindal

    Establishment:
    Jeb Bush
    Chris Christie

    There will be others but the ones I listed are the main characters as of now.


  132. buzzsawmonkey
    133 | February 22, 2013 1:23 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    When I was a kid I had Coulrophobia (fear of clowns).

    Now if there’s a smile on my face
    That’s only there so I can fool the public
    But my totalitarian agenda
    Is something to which you I intend to subject
    So don’t let my benign expression
    Give you the wrong impression
    Really I’m bad
    If you voted for me, you’ve been had
    I will grind you beneath my heel
    Believe me, things just got real
    Your fears of a clown
    Turn out to be well-found

    —not Smokey Robinson, and not “Tears of a Clown”


  133. 134 | February 22, 2013 1:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Sent you an email.


  134. 135 | February 22, 2013 1:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    They are pro-abortion, not pro-choice. There is really only one acceptable choice to these people. They are in love with dead babies. I think they won’t be satisfied until every pregnancy ends in abortion. Notice how they are silent on the forced abortions in China and the sex-selective abortions all over the Third World (and in the United States, too). Any abortion for any reason is a good thing to these people, and yes, that is frightening.


  135. Lily
    136 | February 22, 2013 1:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    He thinks the second amendment is for hunting?
    I would love—LOVE—to see a pro-Second Amendment video where someone discussed the “hunting” fallacy in front of a background that had the heads of politicians mounted as if they were hunting-trophy bucks, where the person discussing the Second Amendment said straight out that the purpose of the Amendment was to make sure that we’d have the ability to kill our leaders if they overstepped their bounds.

    I have to agree in some way with you here. If I hear the nonsense of the 2nd amendment and hunting one more time…lets just hope the doc did good work on my by-pass surgery because it is going to put it to the test! I’m tired of being quiet…they don’t mind offending me.


  136. buzzsawmonkey
    137 | February 22, 2013 1:27 pm

    Later.


  137. Lily
    138 | February 22, 2013 1:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    The Democratic Party is a clown car of fascist freaks.
    Yes they are. My youngest son says clowns are evil too. Smart young man I have there, it turns out he’s right.
    When I was a kid I had Coulrophobia (fear of clowns).

    Do you still have it? My son is a deputy with the sheriff’s department and is 27 and still doesn’t like clowns. LOL! He can shoot them now.


  138. 139 | February 22, 2013 1:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Andrew Cuomo is very Pro Abortion. His speech on unlimited abortion was pure evil.


  139. coldwarrior
    140 | February 22, 2013 1:28 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    That would involve the Left taking us back to about 1900, when Jews, Italians—and, to some extent, even the Slavs and the Irish—were still not considered really “white.” It’s a level of racism that has not been current in the US since before the First World War.

    they weren’t considered white because they were not protestant.

    its that simple.


  140. Lily
    141 | February 22, 2013 1:28 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I stay away from stuff that will piss me off.
    Bingo! That’s what I do. I do not watch PMSNBC.

    Oh hell no!!! Why go there if you KNOW it will piss you off?


  141. Bumr50
    142 | February 22, 2013 1:30 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I posted last thread that Glenn Beck posits that we have about 100 days to unite around one candidate and be ready with another, or we’re going to get Christied.

    It’s not enough to have a list ready. We need to not only be able to take whichever clown they try and feed us down, we need to have an alternative at the ready.

    I’m not a huge Beck fan, and normally am working at this time, but I think he’s generally right about this.

    Christie may be too toxic, but rest assured a similarly progressive alternative will be put forth. I have come to expect it.


  142. buzzsawmonkey
    143 | February 22, 2013 1:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Why go there if you KNOW it will piss you off?

    If you have low blood pressure, you can raise it without (physically) harmful drugs.


  143. Lily
    144 | February 22, 2013 1:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Let’s get this straight — nobody is worse then Obama.
    ONLY because he is the crazed Leftist currently in power.
    Cuomo, following in the wake of Obama, would be ideologically as bad as Obama, but worse in terms of efficiency.
    By the way—last night I tried to buy a large soda on the campus where I teach, and there were no more large cups, thanks to Mayor Fucking Bloomberg.

    I feel sorry for you guys up there. *sips on soda* that would piss a lot of rednecks off down here.


  144. 145 | February 22, 2013 1:32 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Replied.


  145. 146 | February 22, 2013 1:36 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    I will not vote for Christie, Bush, Santorum or Huckabee. I do not care what the Democrat alternative is.

    I already made it clear I will be voting Libertarian in the Florida elections for 2014. The GOP here killed Destination resort Casinos becasue of ‘family values” and the Governor will expand Medicaid. I could care less if Charlie Christ and the Dems get in power here.

    Republicans are either for jobs and fiscal responsibility or they are not.


  146. 147 | February 22, 2013 1:37 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Got it! Wait till I get his abortion speech. It was pure evil!


  147. Lily
    148 | February 22, 2013 1:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    They are pro-abortion, not pro-choice. There is really only one acceptable choice to these people. They are in love with dead babies. I think they won’t be satisfied until every pregnancy ends in abortion. Notice how they are silent on the forced abortions in China and the sex-selective abortions all over the Third World (and in the United States, too). Any abortion for any reason is a good thing to these people, and yes, that is frightening.

    Let’s just say they are taking it to a new level…I was told that Catholic’s and Republicans would vote for the devil himself if he outlawed abortion. Yes that is how they are framing it. And you are right they aren’t PRO-CHOICE THEY ARE PRO-ABORTION. Name it for what it really is. It is also highly disgusting that these leftist go to church and then sit on their high horse and look down on other people and diaagree with the tenets of their church and call everyone who is republican or conservative EVIL. When they have clearly lost the ability of knowing what evil really is.


  148. Lily
    149 | February 22, 2013 1:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Why go there if you KNOW it will piss you off?
    If you have low blood pressure, you can raise it without (physically) harmful drugs.

    Indeed! Right now though I’m fighting high blood pressure…so none of that for me. LOL!


  149. Lily
    150 | February 22, 2013 1:45 pm

    Okay I have offically killed the thread. Darn it again.


  150. 151 | February 22, 2013 1:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m here.


  151. Lily
    152 | February 22, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    LOL! I can tell you a joke…well it happened to me. My dog tears balls in half..so he has half balls around the house to play with and he is very, very attached to my husband. I told my husband last night that he pays more attention to that little thing than me! Of course my husband told me, “Honey I’ll throw the half-ball around for you too if you want!”


  152. 153 | February 22, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ Lily:
    I think it’s fun talking to people like that. I have taken the whole “Evil Conservative” thing on myself as a badge of honour. Especially when I am discussing points with leftists. Every now and then I can make them stop and THINK. Past weekend was talking to two university kids and mentioned how Margaret Sanger was a hardcore racist and eugenicist believer. Both were shocked and didn’t know that. Drip on them like a water torture.


  153. 154 | February 22, 2013 1:52 pm

    @ Lily:

    :lol:


  154. 155 | February 22, 2013 1:54 pm

    Cuomo is going nowhere so far as a presidential run goes. To blacks, he’s white. Period. And to gun owners and their rather substantial lobbies, he has crossed the line WAY beyond anything he could ever hope to walk back.


  155. Lily
    156 | February 22, 2013 1:56 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    With the younger people it’s easier for sure! The older ones just tell you that what you are saying isn’t true. Plus you have waaaaaaay more patience than me! :)


  156. Bumr50
    157 | February 22, 2013 1:57 pm

    @ Lily:

    New rule in the Bumr50 household -- if any balls are going to get tossed around, they are going to be WHOLE balls.


  157. 158 | February 22, 2013 1:57 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    What hurts the American Right are people like Santorum and his supporters. They have a very negative view of things and love to act as if they are morally superior. Meanwhile if you look at Santorum’s economic stances he’s almost as Left as Obama. But becasue he preaches fire and brimstone, he gets a pass from many Conservatives.

    Until Conservatives preach a positive optimistic and inclusive message, people will be scared of us because of Santorum and his ilk.


  158. Lily
    159 | February 22, 2013 2:00 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    New rule in the Bumr50 household — if any balls are going to get tossed around, they are going to be WHOLE balls.

    Hubby says…half-balls are rare and special!! :lol:
    /I swear that little dog we have tears them right in half for some reason.


  159. 160 | February 22, 2013 2:00 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    You maybe right about Cuomo the nomination. He is really a scary guy. But on the Black thing, I know many Blacks who do NOT consider Italians real Whites.

    Now it probably is different in Virginia as I was talking about my experiences in NY.


  160. 161 | February 22, 2013 2:05 pm

    @ Lily:
    That, and knowing when to stop and walk away. :)


  161. Lily
    162 | February 22, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Well now that I have a bunch of scars hubby also says I need to get some tats to go along with them and be a motorcycle maama. Oh yeah he’s a huge *Sons of Anarchy* watcher. ;)


  162. 163 | February 22, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You’re missing the point. Blacks turned out for Obama in huge numbers because he was black (or close enough.) They are not going to turn out in those numbers for somebody just because he isn’t what they consider white (and I rather imagine a lot of blacks WILL consider him white.) Imagine how excited the black community would have been if Obama was Hispanic or Asian. Not very, IMHO. That’s not to say any Dem wouldn’t get the majority of the black vote -- that’s a given. But the turnout won’t be what it has been.


  163. 164 | February 22, 2013 2:09 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Agreed. We do have to do something about the crazies of the right on both sides of the border.


  164. Lily
    165 | February 22, 2013 2:09 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ Lily:
    That, and knowing when to stop and walk away.

    LOL! Yep..but when they are in your house…oh it is so hard to bite ones tongue.


  165. The Osprey
    166 | February 22, 2013 2:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Another person to not rule out, Elizabeth Warren. Many Leftists are pining for her.

    “Lieawatha, the Cherohonkee”


  166. Lily
    167 | February 22, 2013 2:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    You maybe right about Cuomo the nomination. He is really a scary guy. But on the Black thing, I know many Blacks who do NOT consider Italians real Whites.
    Now it probably is different in Virginia as I was talking about my experiences in NY.

    That’s because most are Catholic. The KKK doesn’t like Catholic’s either with their long list of hates.


  167. Bumr50
    168 | February 22, 2013 2:16 pm

    Because everyone was wondering what the Transportation Secretary thought…

    Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, while warning of flight delays due to sequestration-caused furloughs at the Federal Aviation Administration, suggested that Republicans watch Lincoln in order to learn about how President Obama negotiates.

    “I suggest that my former colleagues on the Republican side go see the movie Lincoln,” LaHood, a former congressman, said during the White House press briefing today. “What Lincoln did is he gathered people around him, the way I believe president Obama is doing [to talk about difficult issues] . . . the fiscal cliff got solved because people started talking again.”

    ht-WZ


  168. Alberta Oil Peon
    169 | February 22, 2013 2:16 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:
    I can’t remember the last time you watched them either!
    High-larious. However since so many people on this blog claim not to have a TV (I call massive bullshit on that) they would not get to watch it any way.

    Well, I have a TV. It’s a 1970-something Sanyo color TV, with vacuum tubes in it, and everything. Last time I watched it was 9/11. I live in the country, and I don’t have cable, and I don’t want to pay for a satellite dish, with 99 channels of bullshit I don’t want, so the TV sits on the floor of the living room gathering dust, not plugged in.

    You know after a while, you don’t miss it. Try it, it isn’t as hard to quit as you think. Why feed the Beast. I don’t go to movies, either, although I might make an exception for Zero Dark Thirty.


  169. Lily
    170 | February 22, 2013 2:18 pm

    It’s not interesting times we are living in…it’s nuttier than fruit cake times we are living in.

    Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood Compares Obama Negotiating Sequester To Lincoln Ending Slavery…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/22/transportation-secretary-ray-lahood-compares-obama-negotiating-sequester-to-lincoln-ending-slavery/


  170. Lily
    171 | February 22, 2013 2:19 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Oh my word!!! GMTA!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


  171. 172 | February 22, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    OK I see your point and it is very valid. But, do not underestimate OFA. Conservatives are underestimating these guys. Obama was not an aberration.


  172. Lily
    173 | February 22, 2013 2:21 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    To each his own. I perfer not to watch TV during the day. Unless something like 9/11 occurs…. Too much TV is too much TV. Plus the constant background noise annoys me. ;)


  173. 174 | February 22, 2013 2:23 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    :lol:

    I love your puns!


  174. Alberta Oil Peon
    175 | February 22, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Bingo! For sure, if Phelps and Co. were being funded by the Koch Brothers, or other Conservatives, the MSM would be trumpeting the fact from the rooftops.

    Somebody needs to do a little computer hacking….


  175. Bumr50
    176 | February 22, 2013 2:29 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    I’m still trying to figure out who the heck these folks are.

    They’re too cowardly to list their names or affiliations.

    Apparently, they’re paying the opposition.

    With what?


  176. Alberta Oil Peon
    177 | February 22, 2013 2:34 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Cutting your self off from the culture is not a wise thing in my opinion.

    When the “culture” is toxic, and aimed to destroy you, why the fuck not?

    Hollywood. Fuck ‘em up the ass with broken glass, dipped in hydrofluoric acid.


  177. Speranza
    178 | February 22, 2013 2:37 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Cutting yourself off from the culture is not a wise thing in my opinion.

    When the “culture” is toxic, and aimed to destroy you, why the fuck not?
    Hollywood. Fuck ‘em up the ass with broken glass, dipped in hydrofluoric acid.

    That’s one of the many reasons why we lose elections. We act as if those who actually enjoy going to movies or like to watch TV are the messed up ones. Keep isolating yourself from the rest of the country and see how relevant people will think conservatism is. As Col West has said, “We are conservatives, we work hard and we party hard”. That should be a motto. Personally I enjoy lots of TV shows and going to the movies that I chose to go to. I prefer not sitting around all night listening to Mark Levin and/or Rush Limbaugh.


  178. Alberta Oil Peon
    179 | February 22, 2013 2:39 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    They are pro-abortion, not pro-choice. There is really only one acceptable choice to these people. They are in love with dead babies. I think they won’t be satisfied until every pregnancy ends in abortion. Notice how they are silent on the forced abortions in China and the sex-selective abortions all over the Third World (and in the United States, too). Any abortion for any reason is a good thing to these people, and yes, that is frightening.

    What you need is for some brave conservative women to start Mobying the pro-abortion groups. “Well, I used to be opposed to abortion, and then I found I was pregnant with a gay fetus, so, after much soul-searching, I had it aborted. What do you mean, there’s no way to tell if a fetus is gay? Of course there is. There are psychic readers that can do fetal readings…yada, yada”


  179. The Osprey
    180 | February 22, 2013 2:41 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    It’s true, I have no t.v. Why waste my time watching stuff that I end up screaming at because they are/got it wrong so often. Easier on the blood pressure.

    Cutting yourself off from the culture is not a wise thing in my opinion.

    How is not having a TV “cutting yourself off from the culture” ?
    There’s plenty of media to choose from these days- radio, the Internet, etc.


  180. Bumr50
    181 | February 22, 2013 2:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I prefer not sitting around all night listening to Mark Levin and/or Rush Limbaugh.

    I bear no animosity towards anyone who does constantly bombard themselves with right-wing talk, but for me personally, I can’t handle it.

    I’ll end up like Uncle Gene. Everything is politics. Nobody wants to eat dinner with you.


  181. Speranza
    182 | February 22, 2013 2:43 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    How is not having a TV “cutting yourself off from the culture” ?
    There’s plenty of media to choose from these days- radio, the Internet, etc.

    Because it smacks of Phillistinism or living in a cave. I think its b.s. frankly.


  182. Speranza
    183 | February 22, 2013 2:44 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I’ll end up like Uncle Gene. Everything is politics. Nobody wants to eat dinner with you.

    My feeling too. Go out and have fun once in a while and leave politics and Obama behind you too!


  183. 184 | February 22, 2013 2:47 pm

    @ Lily:

    Did they fill every cabinet position from the “functional psychos” unit at Bellevue?


  184. Speranza
    185 | February 22, 2013 2:49 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I’ll end up like Uncle Gene. Everything is politics. Nobody wants to eat dinner with you.

    Sounds like my boss at work -- everything is (left-wing) politics.


  185. 186 | February 22, 2013 2:49 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Ever since the election I have weened off myself from talk radio and Fox News. They totally misled people about the election claiming Romney has it in the bag. Now I look at different sources to get a clear picture. Plus I focus most of my TV watching on Sports now. I do not trust the Conservative media after the last election.


  186. Speranza
    187 | February 22, 2013 2:50 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Did they fill every cabinet position from the “functional psychos” unit at Bellevue?

    Hagel sure looks like a German WWII officer.


  187. Bumr50
    188 | February 22, 2013 2:50 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Sounds like my boss at work — everything is (left-wing) politics.

    I EXPRESSLY avoid politics at work, unless I get hit in the face with it.


  188. 189 | February 22, 2013 2:50 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    I’ll end up like Uncle Gene. Everything is politics. Nobody wants to eat dinner with you.
    My feeling too. Go out and have fun once in a while and leave politics and Obama behind you too.

    Go to the shooting range! Not much need to discuss politics there, as probably everybody present will agree with you on a lot of things anyway.


  189. Speranza
    190 | February 22, 2013 2:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Ever since the election I have weened off myself from talk radio and Fox News. They totally misled people about the election claiming Romney has it in the bag. Now I look at different sources to get a clear picture. Plus I focus most of my TV watching on Sports now. I do not trust the Conservatives media.

    After seeing Fox bring back Karl Rove and add Scott Brown and Mr. 9-9-9 Cain I have pretty much given up on them except when Dr. K. is on.


  190. lobo91
    191 | February 22, 2013 2:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    “The Hurt Locker” directed by Kathryn Bigelow which won best picture was a good but not memorable movie.
    Saw it. Some said it was offensive…not sure for what. So the guy *liked* to un-bomb a bomb. I’d be more worried if he didn’t put his all into something like that.

    Have you met any military people who liked it?

    It was so full of technical errors, and the plot was so implausible, that it was unwatchable.


  191. The Osprey
    192 | February 22, 2013 2:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:

    How is not having a TV “cutting yourself off from the culture” ?
    There’s plenty of media to choose from these days- radio, the Internet, etc.

    Because it smacks of Phillistinism or living in a cave. I think its b.s. frankly.

    I choose not to pay for cable TV. How does this make me a “Philistine cave dweller”.
    I read books, I listen to a wide variety of radio programs from political talk shows to various different genres of music,
    I have an active social life with friends. I see movies occasionally so I don’t reject visual media outright.

    You seem to take the rejection of TV quite personally. Do you work in the broadcast industry?


  192. Speranza
    193 | February 22, 2013 2:53 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Go to the shooting range! Not much need to discuss politics there, as probably everybody present will agree with you on a lot of things anyway.

    Different mileage for different drivers. I cannot escape hearing about politics even when I go to the diner for a cup of joe and all I want to do is read my kindle.


  193. Alberta Oil Peon
    194 | February 22, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    I searched that namehere and came up blank. But odds are near-certain that Progressive USA is just a new mutation of one of the existing leftie orgs. The leftists create new orgs at the drop of a hat, mostly with interlocking directorships. The idea is to make it appear that they are much more numerous than they really are. Discoverthenetworks.org is a valuable resource.


  194. Speranza
    195 | February 22, 2013 2:54 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    You seem to take the rejection of TV quite personally. Do you work in the broadcast industry?

    In a word “no”. Why would you even say that?


  195. Alberta Oil Peon
    196 | February 22, 2013 2:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    Cutting yourself off from the culture is not a wise thing in my opinion.
    When the “culture” is toxic, and aimed to destroy you, why the fuck not?
    Hollywood. Fuck ‘em up the ass with broken glass, dipped in hydrofluoric acid.

    That’s one of the many reasons why we lose elections. We act as if those who actually enjoy going to movies or like to watch TV are the messed up ones. Keep isolating yourself from the rest of the country and see how relevant people will think conservatism is. As Col West has said, “We are conservatives, we work hard and we party hard”. That should be a motto. Personally I enjoy lots of TV shows and going to the movies that I chose to go to. I prefer not sitting around all night listening to Mark Levin and/or Rush Limbaugh.

    Who says I’m isolated? I get out and about, and interact with people. You want isolated? Look at the low-information voters, sitting there at home with their eyeballs glued to the TV.


  196. Bumr50
    197 | February 22, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    Yeah, I went there and nada.

    This one seems particularly new.

    Open calls for 9.00 an hour jobs means they’ve gotten a nice cash infusion from somewhere.


  197. 198 | February 22, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ Speranza:

    No offense, toots, but I listen to Rush and Levin every day during my commute (podcast rewinds) and I like to think I go have fun as well, like playing golf.

    If what I do could actually be considered, you know, golfing. Mostly its “clumsy blonde threatened badly dressed Yuppies with metal stick.”


  198. 199 | February 22, 2013 2:58 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I heartily recommend the iPod. Blocked out all kinds of BS I had to listen to on the bus after the inauguration of that historic Marxist in January of 2009.

    Steely Dan works wonders.


  199. darkwords
    200 | February 22, 2013 2:58 pm

    @ 44 buzzsawmonkey: The left doesn’t believe in the evil of a Bill Ayers or a Rev Wright either. And people on the right like a John McCain are totally afraid to mention the name of Ayers or Wright.


  200. Alberta Oil Peon
    201 | February 22, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    Probably should pass it on to the DTN folks. These leftie orgs just pop up like maggots on a dog turd.


  201. Bumr50
    202 | February 22, 2013 2:59 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I listen to Rush and Levin every day during my commute

    Occasional Rush listener, but I would rather read a summation of Levin’s points than listen to him.


  202. Bumr50
    203 | February 22, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    On it.


  203. darkwords
    204 | February 22, 2013 3:01 pm

    Feinstein.

    You have a social and moral obligation to get the facts right.”

    If she honestly believes that, then hold her to that thought constantly. Make her use science and logic all the time. Or imply she is full of crap then.

    Neither her or McCain know whether or not torture helped killed Bin Laden. They are just guessing wistfully. The worst type of friends to have.


  204. darkwords
    205 | February 22, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ 48 Rodan: socon issues all need to be “personal witness” issues. That is where they have the real power to make change happen. Making them planks in a national political platform dilutes any emotional messages and lets the opposition belittle them much easier.


  205. lobo91
    206 | February 22, 2013 3:03 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I heartily recommend the iPod. Blocked out all kinds of BS I had to listen to on the bus after the inauguration of that historic Marxist in January of 2009.
    Steely Dan works wonders.

    When I had to drive 90 minutes each way to work in Kuwait, my iPod with American talk radio podcasts on it was the only thing that kept me sane. Radio in Kuwait sucks.


  206. 207 | February 22, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I agree, I am more do it through persuasion.


  207. 208 | February 22, 2013 3:05 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    You seem to take the rejection of TV quite personally. Do you work in the broadcast industry?

    Yes, he works for Time Warner cable!

    :lol:


  208. The Osprey
    209 | February 22, 2013 3:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:
    You seem to take the rejection of TV quite personally. Do you work in the broadcast industry?
    In a word “no”. Why would you even say that?

    Because you said that people who don’t have TV strike you as Philistine or cave dwelling. Why would you even say that unless it somehow strikes you as a rejection of part of your own identity or way of making a living?


  209. lobo91
    210 | February 22, 2013 3:08 pm

    Just what we need:

    Obama Says He’s Creating New Voting-Rights Commission To Prevent “New Tricks” From Racist GOP…

    President Obama said Friday that his new voting-rights commission will help to prevent state officials from engaging in “new tricks” that discourage minorities from voting.

    “It’s very important that we work together to make sure everybody gets a chance to vote, and we clear away a lot of this nonsense,” Mr. Obama said in an interview with SiriusXM radio. He added that the country needs more election rules “to make sure that people aren’t waiting in line for six, seven hours, that there aren’t new tricks that discourage people from voting.”


  210. The Osprey
    211 | February 22, 2013 3:09 pm

    Hey, just because I don’t have a TV doesn’t mean I’m totally ignorant of pop culture. I know what a “Kardashian” is! They’re those aliens on “Star Trek: Deep Space 9″!

    :lol:


  211. Bumr50
    212 | February 22, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Oh, good.

    A commission.

    I’m sure it will be “bipartisan.”

    /


  212. darkwords
    213 | February 22, 2013 3:14 pm

    @ 58 doriangrey:

    Barack Obama’s version of a Marxist Utopia is Mao centric,

    It should be easy for conservatives to fight back. They just need to take the gloves off. All that Alinsky stuff can be evolved to fit a fair minded conservative approach to exposing the left. The left is a target rich environment that is essentially ignored. The GoP could start working on Ayers and Wright any time and keep it up constantly. Both men are vulnerable and reflect on OBama.


  213. Bumr50
    214 | February 22, 2013 3:14 pm

    Worse Than a Hurricane? New York Times Hypes Effect of Sequester on Air Travel

    ht-Newsbusters

    Wait, wouldn’t this negatively impact “the rich” in the main?

    Aren’t I supposed to LIKE that?

    I’m confused.

    //


  214. lobo91
    215 | February 22, 2013 3:14 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Oh, good.
    A commission.
    I’m sure it will be “bipartisan.”
    /

    And I’m sure they’ll get right on the disenfranchisement of military voters.
    //


  215. darkwords
    216 | February 22, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ 211 The Osprey:
    Also FYI Jar Jar Binks AKA Kanye West. Same person.


  216. Speranza
    217 | February 22, 2013 3:19 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Because you said that people who don’t have TV strike you as Philistine or cave dwelling. Why would you even say that unless it somehow strikes you as a rejection of part of your own identity or way of making a living?

    No I feel it makes them people who want to detach themselves from society. Anyway there is a new thread up.


  217. darkwords
    218 | February 22, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ 179 Alberta Oil Peon: I would pro choice them. As in lets just say every person deserves pro choice with non criminal reasoning. Men, Women, the unborn?

    1. Pro choice should mean you support your self completely unless you have arranged a legal marriage contract or entered into an agreement with the government to support you. Sex workers are pro choicers also then. The hard left can’t take that last point. They view them as oppressed victims that need to be freed from their choices. It will alinsky them.
    2. Require tax payer money that goes towards any reproductive service to fund a chart as to when life begins as thought by science and as thought by religion. And show the history of it. Big wall chart timeline. Educate everyone in everyway about it. Then let them choose. People will want to be conservative about it when they feel a need to think about it. Only sociopaths will choose the other extreme.


  218. 219 | February 22, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ Speranza:
    If I wanted to detach myself from society I would go luddite. Detaching myself from t.v. just detaches me from a financial drain that gives me nothing except heartburn.


  219. lobo91
    220 | February 22, 2013 3:33 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    If I wanted to detach myself from society I would go luddite. Detaching myself from t.v. just detaches me from a financial drain that gives me nothing except heartburn.

    Oh, come on. You can’t possibly be an informed voter if you don’t know which rap stars the Kardashians are sleeping with, or the latest update on Honey Boo Boo.
    //


  220. Bumr50
    221 | February 22, 2013 3:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’m sure it will “create” at least a few “jobs.”


  221. lobo91
    222 | February 22, 2013 3:38 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I’m sure it will “create” at least a few “jobs.”

    On the plus side, if it’s like the rest of the “commissions” he’s created, they’ll probably ignore whatever recommendations they come up with, anyway.


  222. 223 | February 22, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I quit watching when we had the Law and Order channel, the CSI channel, and Reality T.V. channels to choose from. From what I have seen since off and on, I KNOW I haven’t missed much.

    Also, just because I don’t watch doesn’t mean I haven’t heard of some of these people.


  223. lobo91
    224 | February 22, 2013 3:54 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    I think I have somewhere around 500 channels on my system, and regularly watch maybe 10 of them. Of course, part of that is because of the way they bundle the channel packages together. If I could just get the channels I do want and skip the rest, that would be nice.

    I vaguely know who some of those people are, but I don’t care about them. I don’t watch any “reality” shows, and have no interest in anyone who’s famous for being famous.


  224. 225 | February 22, 2013 3:58 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I long for the old days when TLC was The Learning Channel and had decent documentaries and behind the scenes of nitty gritty stuff. When The History Channel was about real history, and so on.


  225. lobo91
    226 | February 22, 2013 4:01 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I long for the old days when TLC was The Learning Channel and had decent documentaries and behind the scenes of nitty gritty stuff. When The History Channel was about real history, and so on.

    NatGeo has a new 6 part series on now called “Inside Combat Rescue,” where they were embedded with an Air Force CSAR unit in Afghanistan.

    It’s actually pretty good.


  226. huckfunn
    227 | February 22, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:
    @ lobo91:
    Bravo, A&E, Discovery, and History Channel used to always have some useful programming. Now it’s Rednecks of the Backwoods, Coonass Gator Massacre, Tattoo Lunatics and Celebrity Sluts of Hollywood. Total waste of time.


  227. Speranza
    228 | February 22, 2013 4:20 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ PaladinPhil:
    @ lobo91:
    Bravo, A&E, Discovery, and History Channel used to always have some useful programming. Now it’s Rednecks of the Backwoods, Coonass Gator Massacre, Tattoo Lunatics and Celebrity Sluts of Hollywood. Total waste of time.

    There is no “history” on History Channel.


  228. Bumr50
    229 | February 22, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Bigfoot.


  229. huckfunn
    230 | February 22, 2013 4:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    There is no “history” on History Channel.

    That’s a fact. They’ll have some crap that they pass off as “history”, but it’s always from the standpoint of how “flawed” our founders and history are. Total crapola. Disgusting!


  230. Bumr50
    231 | February 22, 2013 4:29 pm

    Soetoro gets a pass on his birth certificate, this guy gets SCREWED.


  231. buzzsawmonkey
    232 | February 22, 2013 4:30 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    And people on the right like a John McCain are totally afraid to mention the name of Ayers or Wright.

    If I may, I think you err in saying that John McCain is “on the right.”


  232. buzzsawmonkey
    233 | February 22, 2013 4:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Honey Boo Boo.

    I understand that, due to increased expenses and budget cutbacks, she will now be known as High Fructose Corn Syrup Boo Boo.


  233. 234 | February 22, 2013 4:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I cannot remember the last time I watched the Academy Awards.

    Same here. It’s a borefest.

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 179 Alberta Oil Peon: I would pro choice them. As in lets just say every person deserves pro choice with non criminal reasoning. Men, Women, the unborn?
    1. Pro choice should mean you support your self completely unless you have arranged a legal marriage contract or entered into an agreement with the government to support you. Sex workers are pro choicers also then. The hard left can’t take that last point. They view them as oppressed victims that need to be freed from their choices. It will alinsky them.
    2. Require tax payer money that goes towards any reproductive service to fund a chart as to when life begins as thought by science and as thought by religion. And show the history of it. Big wall chart timeline. Educate everyone in everyway about it. Then let them choose. People will want to be conservative about it when they feel a need to think about it. Only sociopaths will choose the other extreme.

    Presumably you would heartily approve of what this dude is doing.

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    The Osprey wrote:
    I can’t remember the last time you watched them either!
    High-larious. However since so many people on this blog claim not to have a TV (I call massive bullshit on that) they would not get to watch it any way.

    Well, I have a TV. It’s a 1970-something Sanyo color TV, with vacuum tubes in it, and everything. Last time I watched it was 9/11. I live in the country, and I don’t have cable, and I don’t want to pay for a satellite dish, with 99 channels of bullshit I don’t want, so the TV sits on the floor of the living room gathering dust, not plugged in.
    You know after a while, you don’t miss it. Try it, it isn’t as hard to quit as you think. Why feed the Beast. I don’t go to movies, either, although I might make an exception for Zero Dark Thirty.

    Feel the freedom!

    If there’s any news clips that are worth watching, you can find them on the intertoobz anyhow.


  234. buzzsawmonkey
    235 | February 22, 2013 4:37 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    I quit watching when we had the Law and Order channel, the CSI channel, and Reality T.V. channels to choose from. From what I have seen since off and on, I KNOW I haven’t missed much.

    I used to like “Law and Order”; there were many elements in the original show that made it much more realistic than most crime dramas (when I was in law school, we used to hang out in the student lounge and laugh and poke fun at all the howlers routinely committed in shows like “Kojak” and “Barretta.”)

    But the spinoffs were ridiculous liberal psychodramas, and the main show ended up becoming an increasingly obvious and tiresome libtalk mouthpiece. Worse than that, it just started getting dreary and disgusting to see the unending parade of mayhem.

    Never could watch CSI; their penchant for drilling the camera into body wounds disgusted me—and the Sooper-Modern Groovy Decor Tech Labs they use are so utterly removed from the grimy chipped enamel tables, scuffed desks, and third-hand filing cabinets that you see in real law-enforcement venues that one is usually laughing too hard to hear the dialogue.


  235. Bumr50
    236 | February 22, 2013 4:45 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Never could watch CSI; their penchant for drilling the camera into body wounds disgusted me—and the Sooper-Modern Groovy Decor Tech Labs they use are so utterly removed from the grimy chipped enamel tables, scuffed desks, and third-hand filing cabinets that you see in real law-enforcement venues that one is usually laughing too hard to hear the dialogue.

    The crime scene guys don’t go out and shoot the bad guys, either.


  236. lobo91
    237 | February 22, 2013 4:48 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    The crime scene guys don’t go out and shoot the bad guys, either.

    Next you’re going to tell us that you can’t take a picture of a fingerprint with an iPhone and get results back in 10 seconds…
    //


  237. Speranza
    238 | February 22, 2013 4:48 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    But the spinoffs were ridiculous liberal psychodramas, and the main show ended up becoming an increasingly obvious and tiresome libtalk mouthpiece.

    That’s when I quit on it. Dick Wolf and Rene Balcer were two huge liberals who made you think that every homicide in Manhattan was committed by uber wealthy white men or white women who lived in Upper East Side townhouses worth $10 million.


  238. Lily
    239 | February 22, 2013 4:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    “The Hurt Locker” directed by Kathryn Bigelow which won best picture was a good but not memorable movie.
    Saw it. Some said it was offensive…not sure for what. So the guy *liked* to un-bomb a bomb. I’d be more worried if he didn’t put his all into something like that.
    Have you met any military people who liked it?
    It was so full of technical errors, and the plot was so implausible, that it was unwatchable.

    That was my point…lots of military people dis-liked it. Did she do better with *Zero Dark Thirty*? Plus I take a good dose of salt with movies of such nature.


  239. buzzsawmonkey
    240 | February 22, 2013 4:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Dick Wolf and Rene Balcer were two huge liberals who made you think that every homicide in Manhattan was committed by uber wealthy white men or white women who lived in Upper East Side townhouses worth $10 million.

    In other words, their neighbors…


  240. lobo91
    241 | February 22, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ Lily:

    That was my point…lots of military people dis-liked it. Did she do better with *Zero Dark Thirty*? Plus I take a good dose of salt with movies of such nature.

    It makes the average episode of CSI or NCIS look like documentaries.


  241. Lily
    242 | February 22, 2013 5:04 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    PaladinPhil wrote:
    I quit watching when we had the Law and Order channel, the CSI channel, and Reality T.V. channels to choose from. From what I have seen since off and on, I KNOW I haven’t missed much.
    I used to like “Law and Order”; there were many elements in the original show that made it much more realistic than most crime dramas (when I was in law school, we used to hang out in the student lounge and laugh and poke fun at all the howlers routinely committed in shows like “Kojak” and “Barretta.”)
    But the spinoffs were ridiculous liberal psychodramas, and the main show ended up becoming an increasingly obvious and tiresome libtalk mouthpiece. Worse than that, it just started getting dreary and disgusting to see the unending parade of mayhem.
    Never could watch CSI; their penchant for drilling the camera into body wounds disgusted me—and the Sooper-Modern Groovy Decor Tech Labs they use are so utterly removed from the grimy chipped enamel tables, scuffed desks, and third-hand filing cabinets that you see in real law-enforcement venues that one is usually laughing too hard to hear the dialogue.

    Youngest son who works in law enforcement refuses to watch any of those shows. Whats on the show and whats in reality are so far removed he refuses to watch. When you see a murderer get only 3 years for killing a baby and on TV they get life the reality is so far removed you’d rather not watch it.


  242. Lily
    243 | February 22, 2013 5:06 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Never could watch CSI; their penchant for drilling the camera into body wounds disgusted me—and the Sooper-Modern Groovy Decor Tech Labs they use are so utterly removed from the grimy chipped enamel tables, scuffed desks, and third-hand filing cabinets that you see in real law-enforcement venues that one is usually laughing too hard to hear the dialogue.
    The crime scene guys don’t go out and shoot the bad guys, either.

    Neither do they arrest anyone …their job is to collect evidence and connect it to the crime and possibly connect it to the suspect the police might have.


  243. lobo91
    244 | February 22, 2013 5:06 pm

    Beckel has come up with a new slogan for the Obama presidency: “It’s not that bad.”


  244. Lily
    245 | February 22, 2013 5:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    The crime scene guys don’t go out and shoot the bad guys, either.
    Next you’re going to tell us that you can’t take a picture of a fingerprint with an iPhone and get results back in 10 seconds…
    //

    You mean you can’t??????????????????????
    /damn it why do they have to do this????


  245. lobo91
    246 | February 22, 2013 5:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    Neither do they arrest anyone …their job is to collect evidence and connect it to the crime and possibly connect it to the suspect the police might have.

    My favorite is when one of them is right there with the SWAT team kicking in the door someplace.

    WTF?


  246. lobo91
    247 | February 22, 2013 5:09 pm

    @ Lily:

    You mean you can’t??????????????????????
    /damn it why do they have to do this????

    And DNA results before the first commercial break.


  247. Lily
    248 | February 22, 2013 5:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    That was my point…lots of military people dis-liked it. Did she do better with *Zero Dark Thirty*? Plus I take a good dose of salt with movies of such nature.
    It makes the average episode of CSI or NCIS look like documentaries.

    In other words fiction.


  248. buzzsawmonkey
    249 | February 22, 2013 5:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    My favorite is when one of them is right there with the SWAT team kicking in the door someplace.

    WTF?

    Remember Jack Klugman in “Quincy?” Always throwing off his autopsy garb and running around illegally poking into things to solve the cases the street cops were incapable of dealing with.


  249. Lily
    250 | February 22, 2013 5:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Beckel has come up with a new slogan for the Obama presidency: “It’s not that bad.”

    :lol: Oh my word…it’s not that bad…yeah it is!


  250. lobo91
    251 | February 22, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Remember Jack Klugman in “Quincy?” Always throwing off his autopsy garb and running around illegally poking into things to solve the cases the street cops were incapable of dealing with.

    Near as I can tell, all the cops in Vegas do is string up crime scene tape. Everything else is done by the CSIs. And about one out of five cases actally involves one of them.


  251. Bumr50
    252 | February 22, 2013 5:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Remember Jack Klugman in “Quincy?” Always throwing off his autopsy garb and running around illegally poking into things to solve the cases the street cops were incapable of dealing with.
    Near as I can tell, all the cops in Vegas do is string up crime scene tape. Everything else is done by the CSIs. And about one out of five cases actally involves one of them.

    Those serial killers seem to really love obsessing over the crime lab staff.


  252. lobo91
    253 | February 22, 2013 5:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Beckel has come up with a new slogan for the Obama presidency: “It’s not that bad.”
    Oh my word…it’s not that bad…yeah it is!

    He was actually talking about the national debt, which was just as stupid, but it still fits.

    With regard to the debt, he said that it wouldn’t really be a problem until it gets up to about $20 trillion, after which he thinks it’s going to somehow start coming down.


  253. Lily
    254 | February 22, 2013 5:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Neither do they arrest anyone …their job is to collect evidence and connect it to the crime and possibly connect it to the suspect the police might have.
    My favorite is when one of them is right there with the SWAT team kicking in the door someplace.
    WTF?

    Oh I know…they are lab techs! Geeks. I don’t even think they carry guns…. swabs and tape yeah.


  254. Lily
    255 | February 22, 2013 5:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    You mean you can’t??????????????????????
    /damn it why do they have to do this????
    And DNA results before the first commercial break.

    Dear heavens you mean you can’t get the DNA results back in less than 10 minutes???
    /I have truly lived a sheltered life! ;)


  255. lobo91
    256 | February 22, 2013 5:19 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Those serial killers seem to really love obsessing over the crime lab staff.

    You’d think it would be hard to fill those jobs. Personally, I wouldn’t want to work someplace where every one of my co-workers has either been personally kidnapped and tortured by a whackjob or had it happen to one of their family members.

    Can you imagine what their insurance premiums must be like?


  256. Bumr50
    257 | February 22, 2013 5:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They work for the government!

    AFSCME has their back!


  257. Lily
    258 | February 22, 2013 5:21 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    My favorite is when one of them is right there with the SWAT team kicking in the door someplace.
    WTF?
    Remember Jack Klugman in “Quincy?” Always throwing off his autopsy garb and running around illegally poking into things to solve the cases the street cops were incapable of dealing with.

    Now there was really fiction…a doctor visit a patient at home and then come back and follow up on such patient? That is Twilight Zone area.


  258. lobo91
    259 | February 22, 2013 5:21 pm

    @ Lily:

    Oh I know…they are lab techs! Geeks. I don’t even think they carry guns…. swabs and tape yeah.

    In most cities, they don’t. Even where they do, they’re only for self-defense, in the extremely rare instance where the crime scene isn’t already swarming with cops.

    I’ve never figured out why the crime scene techs from Vegas handle cases all over the state, either.


  259. Lily
    260 | February 22, 2013 5:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Beckel has come up with a new slogan for the Obama presidency: “It’s not that bad.”
    Oh my word…it’s not that bad…yeah it is!
    He was actually talking about the national debt, which was just as stupid, but it still fits.
    With regard to the debt, he said that it wouldn’t really be a problem until it gets up to about $20 trillion, after which he thinks it’s going to somehow start coming down.

    Bechel really is annoying…and really starting to make excuses for obama. I honestly feel a headache coming on. ;)


  260. lobo91
    261 | February 22, 2013 5:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    Best case, the debt is going to hit $20 trillion sometime in 2015. Not sure why he thinks that’s going to suddenly trigger sense in Congress and cause them to start making massive cuts.


  261. Lily
    262 | February 22, 2013 5:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Oh I know…they are lab techs! Geeks. I don’t even think they carry guns…. swabs and tape yeah.
    In most cities, they don’t. Even where they do, they’re only for self-defense, in the extremely rare instance where the crime scene isn’t already swarming with cops.
    I’ve never figured out why the crime scene techs from Vegas handle cases all over the state, either.

    Very strange.
    /actually if they would base it on something real it would be just as interesting. Fact is stranger than fiction most of the time.


  262. Lily
    263 | February 22, 2013 5:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Congress has their fingers in their ears going la la la la la la la.
    /they are a joke at this point in time.


  263. lobo91
    264 | February 22, 2013 5:31 pm

    @ Lily:

    Very strange.
    /actually if they would base it on something real it would be just as interesting. Fact is stranger than fiction most of the time.

    These shows are starting to screw up actual trials, because everyone thinks what they show is real. If the DA doesn’t have a pile of forensic evidence, the jury assumes the case is bogus.


  264. lobo91
    265 | February 22, 2013 5:40 pm

    Bret Baier isn’t going to get any more interviews with Obama at the rate he’s going.

    In a promo, he just referred to the sequester (accurately) as “the reduction in the automatic rate of increase in government spending.”


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