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Saturday Lecture Series, Drug Resistant Tuberculosis

by coldwarrior ( 235 Comments › )
Filed under Academia, Evolution, Medicine, Open thread, saturday lecture series, Science at February 23rd, 2013 - 8:30 am

Good morning all! Welcome to Grand Rounds here at Blogmocracy General Hospital. There is fresh coffee and bagels in the back of the room, help yourselves. Our grad-ass CJ will be more than happy to toast your bagels for you. Please hit his tip jar.

This topic is most concerning because tuberculosis is highly contagious and normally can only be cured after months of intense anti-biotic therapy. This MDR-TB (multiple drug resistant tuberculosis) has been around for a while, now there is totally drug resistant TB. The link below goes to the main article at the CDC. It is rather lengthy so I wont post it here. Do go over and have a read.

Abstract

Factors driving the increase in drug-resistant tuberculosis (TB) in the Eastern Cape Province, South Africa, are not understood. A convenience sample of 309 drug-susceptible and 342 multidrug-resistant (MDR) TB isolates, collected July 2008–July 2009, were characterized by spoligotyping, DNA fingerprinting, insertion site mapping, and targeted DNA sequencing. Analysis of molecular-based data showed diverse genetic backgrounds among drug-sensitive and MDR TB sensu stricto isolates in contrast to restricted genetic backgrounds among pre–extensively drug-resistant (pre-XDR) TB and XDR TB isolates. Second-line drug resistance was significantly associated with the atypical Beijing genotype. DNA fingerprinting and sequencing demonstrated that the pre-XDR and XDR atypical Beijing isolates evolved from a common progenitor; 85% and 92%, respectively, were clustered, indicating transmission. Ninety-three percent of atypical XDR Beijing isolates had mutations that confer resistance to 10 anti-TB drugs, and some isolates also were resistant to para-aminosalicylic acid. These findings suggest the emergence of totally drug-resistant TB.

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  1. rain of lead
    1 | February 23, 2013 8:36 am

    how timely

    TB outbreak in downtown L.A.’s skid row called ‘largest in a decade’

    LOS ANGELES -- Public health officials have launched an effort to contain a persistent outbreak of tuberculosis on downtown Los Angeles’ skid row and are searching for more than 4,500 people who may have been exposed to the disease, it was reported today.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has dispatched scientists to Los Angeles to help local health officials determine why the disease is spreading and how to stop it, the Los Angeles Times reported. Officials say 11 have died since 2007. Sixty of the 78 cases were among homeless people who live on and around skid row.

    Scientists recently linked the outbreak to a tuberculosis strain unique to Los Angeles, with a few isolated cases outside the area, according to The Times.

    “This is the largest outbreak in a decade,” Dr. Jonathan Fielding, director of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, told The Times. “We are really putting all of our resources into this

    ehh, nothing to see here,really, just move on along now.


  2. rain of lead
    2 | February 23, 2013 8:42 am

    hmmm, this was from last spring

    Worst TB outbreak in 20 years kept secret

    JACKSONVILLE —

    The CDC officer had a serious warning for Florida health officials in April: A tuberculosis outbreak in Jacksonville was one of the worst his group had investigated in 20 years. Linked to 13 deaths and 99 illnesses, including six children, it would require concerted action to stop.

    Treatment for TB can be an ordeal. A person with an uncomplicated, active case of TB must take a cocktail of three to four antibiotics — dozens of pills a day — for six months or more. The drugs can cause serious side effects — stomach and liver problems chief among them. But failure to stay on the drugs for the entire treatment period can and often does cause drug resistance.

    At that point, a disease that can cost $500 to overcome grows exponentially more costly. The average cost to treat a drug-resistant strain is more than $275,000, requiring up to two years on medications. For this reason, the state pays for public health nurses to go to the home of a person with TB every day to observe them taking their medications.

    However, the itinerant homeless, drug-addicted, mentally ill people at the core of the Jacksonville TB cluster are almost impossible to keep on their medications


  3. Moe Katz
    3 | February 23, 2013 8:48 am

    Coming soon: Drug-resistant TB.


  4. Bumr50
    4 | February 23, 2013 8:50 am

    The bugs keep getting better.

    Pertactin-Negative Variants of Bordetella pertussis in the United States


  5. Bumr50
    5 | February 23, 2013 8:51 am

    I think there’s something on my bagel…


  6. Bumr50
    6 | February 23, 2013 9:10 am

    6 underground Hanford nuclear tanks leaking, Washington governor says

    ht -- FoxNews

    So does the Soetoro EPA/DOE/FUBAR get right on this and clean it up, as quickly as possible, like everyone probably thinks they should?

    Or do they let them go on leaking so that they can lambast nuclear power and probably turn the cleanup job into a giant, taxpayer-funded, boondoggle?

    Time will tell.


  7. Bumr50
    7 | February 23, 2013 9:10 am

    @ Bumr50:

    “Well, we COULD have cleaned this mess up, if it weren’t for Republicans and their damn sequestration!”


  8. Bumr50
    8 | February 23, 2013 9:17 am

    “If LA’s Skid Row had access to the same top-notch healthcare as the more privileged among us, this never would have happened.

    That’s why the Affordable Care Act is so important.”

    Barry-O

    //


  9. Bumr50
    9 | February 23, 2013 9:23 am

    The Indians may be on to something:

    Dermcidin, a natural antibiotic, produced by our skin when we sweat, is highly effective in fighting tuberculosis germs and other dangerous bugs, according to a new research.
    Research could contribute to the development of new antibiotics that could control multi-resistant bacteria, a release by the University of Edinburgh said today.
    Scientists have uncovered the atomic structure of Dermcidin. Although about 1700 types of natural antibiotics are known to exist, it was unknown until now how they work.
    Sweat spreads highly efficient antibiotics on our skin, which protect us from dangerous bugs.
    If our skin get injured by a cut, scratch or the sting of a mosquito, antibiotic agents secreted in sweat glands, such as dermcidin, rapidly and efficiently kill invaders.


  10. 10 | February 23, 2013 9:33 am

    @ Bumr50:

    [Deleted]


  11. Bumr50
    11 | February 23, 2013 9:39 am

    @ Macker:

    It’s coming.

    Homeless?

    This is an eminently exploitable crisis, for someone so inclined.


  12. Bumr50
    12 | February 23, 2013 9:47 am

    See if I stay in on my Friday night so that I can be up for class next Saturday.

    Humph.


  13. RIX
    13 | February 23, 2013 10:14 am

    Good morning. I have been out of the news loop for a week & when I came
    back home surprise, the same old Obama.
    He is demogougeing the Sequstor to scare people to death & acts like he has nothing
    to do with it.
    He is our most despicable president ever.


  14. lobo91
    14 | February 23, 2013 10:33 am

    @ rain of lead:

    That’s been a problem here in Colorado for several years now.

    I remember hearing a story on the news where they were saying that it was costing them up to $1 million per patient to treat, and all the patients were illegal aliens, so of course that meant the taxpayers were on the hook.


  15. RIX
    15 | February 23, 2013 10:34 am

    Is it “fair” that illegal immigrants and foreign exchange students are allowed to play high school football on Friday nights and to participate in extra curricular activities at public schools, while many of their peers, who are legal US citizens but who happen to be homeschooled, are being denied “equal” access to the same opportunities in their local communities?

    In Virginia last week, seven Democrats and a lone Republican, perhaps unaware or unmoved by such a discrepancy, made the point moot and rejected the so called “Tebow Bill” that sought to “level the playing field.”

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/homeschooling/2013/02/22/homeschoolers-barred-school-sports-illegal-immigrant-peers-play#ixzz2Ljiahn1q

    Oh this is swell/


  16. lobo91
    16 | February 23, 2013 10:48 am

    @ RIX:

    many of their peers, who are legal US citizens but who happen to be homeschooled

    And whose parents pay the taxes that fund those schools, unlike the illegals and foreign exchange students.


  17. Lily
    17 | February 23, 2013 10:53 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. I have been out of the news loop for a week & when I came
    back home surprise, the same old Obama.
    He is demogougeing the Sequstor to scare people to death & acts like he has nothing
    to do with it.
    He is our most despicable president ever.

    Dear heavens yes he is!!! It has gotten to the point where I try to ignore it as much as I can. But still rather angry 1/2 the people re-elected this monster of a President.
    Nothing I can do now…election over…so hence I’ve been ill for a while…and to my husbands dismay..I’m doing a make-over. Have to keep *my* blood pressure down..perfume, clothes..etc. and you know what he does to get back at me (hubby that is). He is buying guns. Humpf! He can’t say anything about my socks now. ;)

    Hope you are doing all right Rix!


  18. Lily
    18 | February 23, 2013 10:56 am

    @ RIX:

    Isn’t it though? I swear our country has gone nutz!


  19. Lily
    19 | February 23, 2013 10:57 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    many of their peers, who are legal US citizens but who happen to be homeschooled
    And whose parents pay the taxes that fund those schools, unlike the illegals and foreign exchange students.

    Well we can’t put those nasty little facts in there now can we??
    ///


  20. RIX
    20 | February 23, 2013 11:02 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    many of their peers, who are legal US citizens but who happen to be homeschooled

    And whose parents pay the taxes that fund those schools, unlike the illegals and foreign exchange students.

    Exactly, you are forced to pay for public education in your property taxes.
    but your kid is denied access to the athletic program.
    This is crazy.


  21. Lily
    21 | February 23, 2013 11:03 am

    Wow…really odd.

    In North Korea, Even Your Hair Is Regulated

    With traditional Korean dress, women generally wear a straight style but with western clothes they can choose something more wavy or loosely permed.

    You can also tell the difference between married and unmarried women just by the style of their hair do.

    Married women tend to be frowned upon if they are not sporting a shorter mop but those who are unmarried are allowed to be a bit more playful with their choice of style – opting for plaits, braids or even a ribbon.

    Unfortunately, the strict guidelines also apply for men.

    Back in 2005, North Korean state TV launched a five part series entitled ‘Let us trim our hair in accordance with Socialist lifestyle’ with the aim of promoting short back and sides for its male population.

    At the same time, a number of reports appeared in North Korean press and radio urging tidy hairstyles and appropriate clothing.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/02/23/in-north-korea-even-your-hair-is-regulated/


  22. RIX
    22 | February 23, 2013 11:04 am

    @ Lily:
    I m doing well Lily & hope that you are getting better.


  23. Lily
    23 | February 23, 2013 11:04 am

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ RIX:
    many of their peers, who are legal US citizens but who happen to be homeschooled
    And whose parents pay the taxes that fund those schools, unlike the illegals and foreign exchange students.
    Exactly, you are forced to pay for public education in your property taxes.
    but your kid is denied access to the athletic program.
    This is crazy.

    It is crazy…lots of crazy going around.


  24. RIX
    24 | February 23, 2013 11:06 am

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Isn’t it though? I swear our country has gone nutz!

    A lot of what is going on is to protect the political elites & the unions.
    Home Schooling is not good for the Teachers Union.


  25. Lily
    25 | February 23, 2013 11:08 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I m doing well Lily & hope that you are getting better.

    Yes I am getting better. Still fragile but getting there! :)
    /shoot I’m starting to sleep and get up like a normal person now…really throwing me for a loop! ;)


  26. Bumr50
    26 | February 23, 2013 11:08 am

    Newt on Rove.

    Watch the movie “Lincoln.” This was a politician who thought long and deeply.

    Read Craig Shirley’s histories of the 1976 and 1980 campaigns (or watch the documentary Callista and I made, “Ronald Reagan: Rendezvous with Destiny”). Reagan knew what he believed, why he was running, and what he wanted to accomplish.

    Republicans need to drop the consultant-centric model and go back to a system in which candidates have to think and consultants are adviser and implementers but understand that the elected official is the one who has to represent the voters and make the key decisions.

    I feel compelled to write this because of Karl Rove’s recent assertions and my very unsettling round table with Stuart Stevens on ABC’s This Week this past Sunday.

    First, Rove.

    I am unalterably opposed to a bunch of billionaires financing a boss to pick candidates in 50 states. This is the opposite of the Republican tradition of freedom and grassroots small town conservatism.

    No one person is smart enough nor do they have the moral right to buy nominations across the country.

    That is the system of Tammany Hall and the Chicago machine. It should be repugnant to every conservative and every Republican.

    There is a second practical thing wrong with Rove’s proposal.

    He was simply wrong last year. He was wrong about the Presidential race (watch a video of his blow up on Fox election night about Fox News calling Ohio for President Obama). He was also wrong about Senate races.

    While Rove would like to argue his “national nomination machine” will protect Republicans from candidates like those who failed in Missouri and Indiana, that isn’t the bigger story.

    Republicans lost winnable senate races in Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Florida. So in seven of the nine losing races, the Rove model has no candidate-based explanation for failure. Our problems are deeper and more complex than candidates.


  27. Lily
    27 | February 23, 2013 11:13 am

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Isn’t it though? I swear our country has gone nutz!
    A lot of what is going on is to protect the political elites & the unions.
    Home Schooling is not good for the Teachers Union.

    The teachers union in my opinion has gotten out of hand. No wonder parents are home schooling. Especially when this is going on in the schools….that this is even being addressed is crazy! Sex and transgender seem to be more important than learning ….too much is being spent on *not offending someone*.

    Lawmakers Act to Protect Children From Transgender Bathrooms

    Massachusetts lawmakers are considering legislation that would close a loophole in the state’s anti-discrimination law which forces schools to let transgender students use the restrooms of their choice – regardless of their anatomy.

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/lawmakers-act-to-protect-children-from-transgender-bathrooms.html


  28. lobo91
    28 | February 23, 2013 11:16 am

    Speaking of taxes:

    Nearly Half Property Owners In Detroit Failed To Pay Their Property Taxes Last Year

    Nearly half of the owners of Detroit’s 305,000 properties failed to pay their tax bills last year, exacerbating a punishing cycle of declining revenues and diminished services for a city in a financial crisis, according to a Detroit News analysis of government records.

    The News reviewed more than 200,000 pages of tax documents and found that 47 percent of the city’s taxable parcels are delinquent on their 2011 bills. Some $246.5 million in taxes and fees went uncollected, about half of which was due Detroit and the rest to other entities, including Wayne County, Detroit Public Schools and the library.

    Delinquency is so pervasive that 77 blocks had only one owner who paid taxes last year, The News found. Many of those who don’t pay question why they should in a city that struggles to light its streets or keep police on them.

    “Why pay taxes?” asked Fred Phillips, who owes more than $2,600 on his home on an east-side block where five owners paid 2011 taxes. “Why should I send them taxes when they aren’t supplying services? It is sickening. … Every time I see the tax bill come, I think about the times we called and nobody came.”

    I wonder if it occurs to these people that the reason the city isn’t providing services is that they don’t have any money…because people aren’t paying their taxes?


  29. 29 | February 23, 2013 11:17 am

    @ Lily:

    You watch. Give the Demo☭rats the same opportunity….


  30. RIX
    30 | February 23, 2013 11:19 am

    Yes I am getting better. Still fragile but getting there!
    /shoot I’m starting to sleep and get up like a normal person now…really throwing me for a loop!

    Hang in, you’re getting there.


  31. Lily
    31 | February 23, 2013 11:21 am

    @ Macker:

    Oh you just know if they could they would.


  32. RIX
    32 | February 23, 2013 11:21 am

    @ Lily:
    I worked on Summer for the Chicago Board of Education, years ago.
    Those union teachers were not about education & it looks like things
    have got worse.


  33. RIX
    33 | February 23, 2013 11:24 am

    @ lobo91:
    Things are so bad in Detroit that they only snow plow main streets.
    Another well run Democrat City.


  34. Lily
    34 | February 23, 2013 11:24 am

    @ RIX:

    :lol: There is one thing I can say this has been one wild experience.
    /not a fun one either.


  35. Lily
    35 | February 23, 2013 11:27 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speaking of taxes:
    Nearly Half Property Owners In Detroit Failed To Pay Their Property Taxes Last Year
    Nearly half of the owners of Detroit’s 305,000 properties failed to pay their tax bills last year, exacerbating a punishing cycle of declining revenues and diminished services for a city in a financial crisis, according to a Detroit News analysis of government records.
    The News reviewed more than 200,000 pages of tax documents and found that 47 percent of the city’s taxable parcels are delinquent on their 2011 bills. Some $246.5 million in taxes and fees went uncollected, about half of which was due Detroit and the rest to other entities, including Wayne County, Detroit Public Schools and the library.
    Delinquency is so pervasive that 77 blocks had only one owner who paid taxes last year, The News found. Many of those who don’t pay question why they should in a city that struggles to light its streets or keep police on them.
    “Why pay taxes?” asked Fred Phillips, who owes more than $2,600 on his home on an east-side block where five owners paid 2011 taxes. “Why should I send them taxes when they aren’t supplying services? It is sickening. … Every time I see the tax bill come, I think about the times we called and nobody came.”
    I wonder if it occurs to these people that the reason the city isn’t providing services is that they don’t have any money…because people aren’t paying their taxes?

    Because it makes sense? You can’t provide a service before you have the money and apparently they think the government grows money on trees.


  36. RIX
    36 | February 23, 2013 11:27 am

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    There is one thing I can say this has been one wild experience.
    /not a fun one either.

    I’m sure, but you are handling it well.


  37. Lily
    37 | February 23, 2013 11:28 am

    @ RIX:

    I bet that was an experience and when my boys were in school there were problems I saw in the teaching…and I know it has gotten worse!


  38. Lily
    38 | February 23, 2013 11:30 am

    @ RIX:

    Thanks Rix! Sometimes I wonder but I am starting to feel different for sure and it doesn’t seem to be a bad thing either.


  39. lobo91
    39 | February 23, 2013 11:31 am

    More union follies:

    Firefighters Facing Possible Discipline For Appearing With Obama During One Of His “Sequestration” Press Events

    Three local firefighters are facing possible disciplinary action after appearing with President Barack Obama during a press event.

    Earlier this week the president was flanked by first responders as he spoke about the impact of sequestration. Kenneth Ellerbe, chief of D.C.’s Fire and Emergency Medical Service Department, told NBCWashington.com the three members of DCFEMS who participated in the event may have violated department regulations.

    Ed Smith, president of Local 36 of the firefighters union, said his office facilitated the appearance by the firefighters. “The request came through the International Association of Firefighters,” Smith said, adding that it’s not the first time D.C. firefighters have been asked to appear with the president.

    But he said, it’s the first time it’s been an issue. “We’ve done this before. I would hope it doesn’t come to any discipline. They were supporting our president,” he said.


  40. RIX
    40 | February 23, 2013 11:32 am

    Because it makes sense? You can’t provide a service before you have the money and apparently they think the government grows money on trees.
    @ Lily:

    Obama spent his first term ignoring in infrastructure
    squandering money on destroying the health care system
    and bogus green companies.
    Now he wants more taxes to fix the infrastructure.
    I don’t even trust him to spend the money that way.


  41. Bumr50
    41 | February 23, 2013 11:35 am

    All without a gun.

    Colorado teen heard on 911 call saying he killed girl

    ht- FoxNews


  42. lobo91
    42 | February 23, 2013 11:36 am

    @ RIX:

    Even what was spent on infrastructure had a significant amount of waste, because they only let union contractors bid on the projects.

    Of course they couldn’t allow non-union contractors, because then the Dems wouldn’t have gotten their kickbacks.


  43. Bumr50
    43 | February 23, 2013 11:36 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    “We’ve done this before. I would hope it doesn’t come to any discipline. They were supporting our president,”

    “Yous wouldn’t want any ‘inconveniences’ now would yous?”


  44. Lily
    44 | February 23, 2013 11:38 am

    RIX wrote:

    Because it makes sense? You can’t provide a service before you have the money and apparently they think the government grows money on trees.
    @ Lily:
    Obama spent his first term ignoring in infrastructure
    squandering money on destroying the health care system
    and bogus green companies.
    Now he wants more taxes to fix the infrastructure.
    I don’t even trust him to spend the money that way.

    The man spends money like no tomorrow and has nothing, nothing to show for it!


  45. 45 | February 23, 2013 11:40 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    The bugs keep getting better.
    Pertactin-Negative Variants of Bordetella pertussis in the United States

    I’ve had whooping cough. It wasn’t diagnosed in time to treat it effectively. It hung on for three months and I coughed so hard that I did damage to some of my muscles and ligaments.

    It’s truly horrific.

    lobo91 wrote:

    I wonder if it occurs to these people that the reason the city isn’t providing services is that they don’t have any money…because people aren’t paying their taxes?

    That’s true too, but if they are the only ones paying taxes in the area, the city isn’t going to provide them any services.

    Maybe it’s time for Detroit to acknowledge the inevitable, go bankrupt, and dis-incorporate.

    @ Lily:
    With the Norks’ poor diet I’m surprised they still have enough hair to style or cut.


  46. RIX
    46 | February 23, 2013 11:41 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Even what was spent on infrastructure had a significant amount of waste, because they only let union contractors bid on the projects.

    Of course they couldn’t allow non-union contractors, because then the Dems wouldn’t have gotten their kickbacks.

    BHO is a corrupt Cook County Democrat. He is morally superior,
    but still just a corrupt pol pushing Socialism for the masses.


  47. Lily
    47 | February 23, 2013 11:42 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    All without a gun.

    Colorado teen heard on 911 call saying he killed girl
    ht- FoxNews

    Guns aren’t the only way to kill people….this kid seemed to like to commit his crimes up close and personal….not distant. That there is one sick puppy.


  48. RIX
    48 | February 23, 2013 11:45 am

    The man spends money like no tomorrow and has nothing, nothing to show for it!
    @ Lily:

    Obama likes to pretend that he had a tough upbringing.
    The truth is that he led a life of privlige & always used race.
    Nothing has changed.


  49. Lily
    49 | February 23, 2013 11:45 am

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Even what was spent on infrastructure had a significant amount of waste, because they only let union contractors bid on the projects.
    Of course they couldn’t allow non-union contractors, because then the Dems wouldn’t have gotten their kickbacks.
    BHO is a corrupt Cook County Democrat. He is morally superior,
    but still just a corrupt pol pushing Socialism for the masses.

    And the masses are ignoring his socialist ways…..they think it’s just okey-dokey…


  50. Lily
    50 | February 23, 2013 11:45 am

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Even what was spent on infrastructure had a significant amount of waste, because they only let union contractors bid on the projects.
    Of course they couldn’t allow non-union contractors, because then the Dems wouldn’t have gotten their kickbacks.
    BHO is a corrupt Cook County Democrat. He is morally superior,
    but still just a corrupt pol pushing Socialism for the masses.

    And the masses are ignoring his socialist ways…..they think it’s just okey-dokey…


  51. lobo91
    51 | February 23, 2013 11:48 am

    @ Lily:

    Guns aren’t the only way to kill people

    Sometimes you can kill them with a Maserati:

    Aspiring rapper in fiery Vegas crash sang haunting lyric

    Kenny Cherry, an aspiring rapper who moved from the Bay Area to Las Vegas to pursue his music career, was killed early Thursday morning in a violent incident normally seen in movies.

    Cherry, 27, was driving in his Maserati on the Vegas Strip when police say a shooter from a black Range Rover SUV peppered his car before it sped through a red light and smashed into a taxi, killing Michael Boldon, the taxi driver, and his passenger in the backseat.

    The rapper would film online music videos on the Strip and post them online. In one song he raps, “One mistake change lives all in one night.”

    In this case, three lives were cut shot.


  52. Lily
    52 | February 23, 2013 11:50 am

    RIX wrote:

    The man spends money like no tomorrow and has nothing, nothing to show for it!
    @ Lily:
    Obama likes to pretend that he had a tough upbringing.
    The truth is that he led a life of privlige & always used race.
    Nothing has changed.

    No nothing has changed. He had it good. I have noticed in really spoiled children when they grow up they tend to act like they had it hard when no they didn’t have it hard. They over-react ….like the horrors of being punished for a day when they were children. They couldn’t go out and play for just one day!! They don’t acknowledge they did something wrong..they only acknowledge the horrors (which really weren’t horrors) done to them.


  53. Lily
    54 | February 23, 2013 11:52 am

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah I saw that…rather strange there.


  54. 55 | February 23, 2013 11:54 am

    @ lobo91:
    Amazing how many rap and hip-hop musicians have been murder victims.


  55. lobo91
    56 | February 23, 2013 11:54 am

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah I saw that…rather strange there.

    I’m pretty sure that the reason the cab exploded was because it was CNG-powered, like a lot of the cabs in Vegas these days.


  56. lobo91
    57 | February 23, 2013 11:56 am

    1389AD wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Amazing how many rap and hip-hop musicians have been murder victims.

    Not really.

    They’re just ghetto thugs who have managed to move to better neighborhoods. They’re still thugs.


  57. lobo91
    58 | February 23, 2013 11:57 am

    I see that the Vegas cops have no leads on who owned the blacked-out Range Rover the shooter was driving.

    On CSI, they would have had that information before the first commercial.


  58. Lily
    59 | February 23, 2013 11:57 am

    @ lobo91:

    The whole crime really. The police will have their work to do. Might be easy to figure out and might not.


  59. Bumr50
    60 | February 23, 2013 11:58 am

    @ lobo91:

    If it was a blacked out Range Rover, it might be theirs.

    //


  60. Lily
    61 | February 23, 2013 11:59 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    I see that the Vegas cops have no leads on who owned the blacked-out Range Rover the shooter was driving.
    On CSI, they would have had that information before the first commercial.

    Well of course! Some camera somewhere would have gotten a clear pic of license plate too. I mean really the Vegas cops are dropping the ball here.
    ///


  61. Lily
    62 | February 23, 2013 12:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Amazing how many rap and hip-hop musicians have been murder victims.
    Not really.
    They’re just ghetto thugs who have managed to move to better neighborhoods. They’re still thugs.

    Well and then there are the ones that pretend to be thugs and then surround themselves with thugs. I honestly don’t care for rap music. There is very few songs in that area I like.


  62. lobo91
    63 | February 23, 2013 12:03 pm

    @ Lily:

    The CSI team was probably all out celebrating after proving that Sarah wasn’t actually a murderer last week.


  63. lobo91
    64 | February 23, 2013 12:05 pm

    @ Lily:

    No different from when NBA or NFL players do similar things.

    The fact that they hung out at some college for a few years at taxpayer expense before being drafted by the pros doesn’t change the fact that they’re still thugs.


  64. Lily
    65 | February 23, 2013 12:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The CSI team was probably all out celebrating after proving that Sarah wasn’t actually a murderer last week.

    Ah damn you are probably right. (Was Sarah suspected of being a criminal? One of their own?) Dear me … I am totally out of touch with what is going on here.


  65. Bumr50
    66 | February 23, 2013 12:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Vegan b*tch.

    I was hoping she was guilty.


  66. Lily
    67 | February 23, 2013 12:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    No you are right…the ones I find strange are the ones who *pretended* to be thugs when they weren’t. Yeah there are few of those too.


  67. Bumr50
    68 | February 23, 2013 12:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The fact that they hung out at some college for a few years at taxpayer expense before being drafted by the pros doesn’t change the fact that they’re still thugs.

    They really need to stop pretending.

    Offer them the education, but don’t make it mandatory.

    It just cheapens it for everyone else that has to mortgage their future for an aspiring career in “diversity.”


  68. Lily
    69 | February 23, 2013 12:08 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    She is a vegan??? Damn. How the hell was she not guilty?


  69. Bumr50
    70 | February 23, 2013 12:09 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Then Hodges could snarkily prove that it was a lack of meat in her diet that drove her to madness.

    (This is probably why I’m not a successful screenwriter)


  70. lobo91
    71 | February 23, 2013 12:09 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    No you are right…the ones I find strange are the ones who *pretended* to be thugs when they weren’t. Yeah there are few of those too.

    I find that entire culture bizarre.

    The saddest part about it is that it’s mostly supported by suburban white kids.


  71. lobo91
    72 | February 23, 2013 12:10 pm

    @ Lily:

    Ah damn you are probably right. (Was Sarah suspected of being a criminal? One of their own?) Dear me … I am totally out of touch with what is going on here.

    A whackjob suspect from a previous episode came back and tried to frame her for a murder.


  72. Lily
    73 | February 23, 2013 12:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    No you are right…the ones I find strange are the ones who *pretended* to be thugs when they weren’t. Yeah there are few of those too.
    I find that entire culture bizarre.
    The saddest part about it is that it’s mostly supported by suburban white kids.

    Tell me about it! My two sons were at just the right age when rap broke out on the scene…I didn’t like them listening to it…they loved it. I could never understand the like for it and it was a very odd culture going on with the rapper thingy.


  73. Lily
    74 | February 23, 2013 12:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Ah damn you are probably right. (Was Sarah suspected of being a criminal? One of their own?) Dear me … I am totally out of touch with what is going on here.
    A whackjob suspect from a previous episode came back and tried to frame her for a murder.

    Well damn…that nearly always happens at times. They should have thought of that right off the bat.


  74. Lily
    75 | February 23, 2013 12:17 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Then Hodges could snarkily prove that it was a lack of meat in her diet that drove her to madness.
    (This is probably why I’m not a successful screenwriter)

    Vegans think they are better than everyone else. It’s a mental issue.
    But the arrogance comes before the vegan attitude. So no she can’t get off from not eating meat. She is just a psychopath is what is wrong.


  75. lobo91
    76 | February 23, 2013 12:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    I could never understand the like for it and it was a very odd culture going on with the rapper thingy.

    Me neither. For one thing, I prefer listening to something where there are actually musicians playing instruments, rather than someone “sampling” another artist’s work and adding an annoying drum machine.

    But the celebration of the ghetto culture just makes no sense to me.


  76. Lily
    77 | February 23, 2013 12:21 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Then Hodges could snarkily prove that it was a lack of meat in her diet that drove her to madness.
    (This is probably why I’m not a successful screenwriter)

    All you have to do is think outside of the box. Does it make sense? Hell no! Then it’s in the show!
    /as you can see I have not made money off of writing for shows either. ;)
    But what the hell!


  77. 78 | February 23, 2013 12:22 pm

    Rap isn’t music. It’s nothing more than downgraded “beat” generation poetry recited to something a bit more involved than bongo drums.


  78. Bumr50
    79 | February 23, 2013 12:22 pm

    Can we take the ‘C’ back from ‘CPAC’?

    CPAC invitation calls MSNBC’s Chris Hayes ‘one of America’s leading conservative voices’

    I know that there are folks here who have a big problem with GOProud.

    I’m not one of them, but I understand the concerns.

    Q: Don’t you think CPAC would be good forum to address those concerns?


  79. 80 | February 23, 2013 12:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    No you are right…the ones I find strange are the ones who *pretended* to be thugs when they weren’t. Yeah there are few of those too.

    If they hang out with thugs to get “street cred” or publicity, they can get killed too, for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I could never understand the like for it and it was a very odd culture going on with the rapper thingy.
    Me neither. For one thing, I prefer listening to something where there are actually musicians playing instruments, rather than someone “sampling” another artist’s work and adding an annoying drum machine.
    But the celebration of the ghetto culture just makes no sense to me.

    I find it truly DISGUSTING.

    Lily wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    @ Bumr50:
    Then Hodges could snarkily prove that it was a lack of meat in her diet that drove her to madness.
    (This is probably why I’m not a successful screenwriter)
    Vegans think they are better than everyone else. It’s a mental issue.
    But the arrogance comes before the vegan attitude. So no she can’t get off from not eating meat. She is just a psychopath is what is wrong.

    I read a study some time ago that cholesterol levels that are too LOW are associated with a greater tendency toward violence.

    If I had to live on a vegan diet 100% of the time I’d get pretty violent too!


  80. lobo91
    81 | February 23, 2013 12:25 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Mark Levin was talking about the upcoming CPAC conference the other day.

    Apparently, Jeb Bush is going to be the keynote speaker for their Reagan Day banquet.

    So yes, I’d say that it’s time to take away their “C”


  81. Lily
    82 | February 23, 2013 12:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I could never understand the like for it and it was a very odd culture going on with the rapper thingy.
    Me neither. For one thing, I prefer listening to something where there are actually musicians playing instruments, rather than someone “sampling” another artist’s work and adding an annoying drum machine.
    But the celebration of the ghetto culture just makes no sense to me.

    You should have seen it up close and personnal like me! I was forerver hiding those damn CD’s and they were forever getting more. It was a vicious cycle. My youngest son wanted to know why we didn’t live in a trailor and why we weren’t on food stamps. Yeah he actually asked that question….but then again clowns, dolls and black-eyed peas were problems for him too.


  82. The Osprey
    83 | February 23, 2013 12:25 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rap isn’t music. It’s nothing more than downgraded “beat” generation poetry recited to something a bit more involved than bongo drums.

    You are the sort of Grumpy Old White Person that is alienating the yoof and minorities from the GOP!

    :lol:

    Just kidding, you can’t spell crap without rap.


  83. 84 | February 23, 2013 12:26 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rap isn’t music. It’s nothing more than downgraded “beat” generation poetry recited to something a bit more involved than bongo drums.

    In general, it isn’t even good poetry.


  84. lobo91
    85 | February 23, 2013 12:30 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    You are the sort of Grumpy Old White Person that is alienating the yoof and minorities from the GOP!

    And proud of it!


  85. Lily
    86 | February 23, 2013 12:30 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I read a study some time ago that cholesterol levels that are too LOW are associated with a greater tendency toward violence

    .

    Well then there you have it. Killing animals…no good. Killing people no problem. The science proves it. Vegans are odd and arrogant.


  86. Lily
    87 | February 23, 2013 12:32 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Rap isn’t music. It’s nothing more than downgraded “beat” generation poetry recited to something a bit more involved than bongo drums.
    In general, it isn’t even good poetry.

    Now, now….there is good one here and there. It’s like sifting for gold though..hard to find.


  87. lobo91
    88 | February 23, 2013 12:33 pm

    @ Lily:

    Sure, I enjoy a good mob movie, and Justified is my favorite TV show, but I don’t aspire to be a wiseguy or a rural Kentucky oxycontin dealer.


  88. Lily
    89 | February 23, 2013 12:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    You are the sort of Grumpy Old White Person that is alienating the yoof and minorities from the GOP!
    And proud of it!

    lobo grumpy??? Dear heavens ..what has the world come to? You just need a little pick me up…


  89. 90 | February 23, 2013 12:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Sure, I enjoy a good mob movie, and Justified is my favorite TV show, but I don’t aspire to be a wiseguy or a rural Kentucky oxycontin dealer.

    Seems as though hard drugs are the new moonshine in Appalachia.


  90. Lily
    91 | February 23, 2013 12:37 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The really funny thing is he is in law enforcement now. My youngest also wanted to be a Ninja Turtle too. ;) I like Justified too.


  91. 92 | February 23, 2013 12:37 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    I read a study some time ago that cholesterol levels that are too LOW are associated with a greater tendency toward violence
    .
    Well then there you have it. Killing animals…no good. Killing people no problem. The science proves it. Vegans are odd and arrogant.

    Humans have eyes on the fronts of their heads for a reason. Yes, we can eat vegetables, but we should also eat meat, fish, dairy, and eggs to get animal proteins. That’s called eating like a human being.


  92. Lily
    93 | February 23, 2013 12:38 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Sure, I enjoy a good mob movie, and Justified is my favorite TV show, but I don’t aspire to be a wiseguy or a rural Kentucky oxycontin dealer.
    Seems as though hard drugs are the new moonshine in Appalachia.

    Ah moonshine is still there too.


  93. Lily
    94 | February 23, 2013 12:40 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    I read a study some time ago that cholesterol levels that are too LOW are associated with a greater tendency toward violence
    .
    Well then there you have it. Killing animals…no good. Killing people no problem. The science proves it. Vegans are odd and arrogant.
    Humans have eyes on the fronts of their heads for a reason. Yes, we can eat vegetables, but we should also eat meat, fish, dairy, and eggs to get animal proteins. That’s called eating like a human being.

    Well I can tell by what our teeth are like as to what we eat. We have teeth that tear..meat eaters we are.


  94. lobo91
    95 | February 23, 2013 12:42 pm

    @ Lily:

    I like Justified too.

    Leia was asleep in her bed while I was watching this week’s episode.

    When Raylan pulled the fire alarm in the bar, she woke up and came out into the living room. It sounded just like our smoke detector, and I guess she thought there was a fire.


  95. Lily
    96 | February 23, 2013 12:48 pm

    @ lobo91:

    LOL! Harlan County! I did find him pulling the fire alarm a nice touch to clear the bar to get the bad guy who was on a mission to kill him. Raylan doesn’t like to wait…just get it over with and quickly.


  96. lobo91
    97 | February 23, 2013 12:50 pm

    @ Lily:

    I knew it was going to end badly for that guy.

    “You won’t shoot--”


  97. 98 | February 23, 2013 12:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Sure, I enjoy a good mob movie, and Justified is my favorite TV show, but I don’t aspire to be a wiseguy or a rural Kentucky oxycontin dealer.
    Seems as though hard drugs are the new moonshine in Appalachia.
    Ah moonshine is still there too.

    It’s present in the Serbian community as well, and that’s all I’m gonna say.


  98. Lily
    99 | February 23, 2013 1:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ah Raylan always shots…if he has to.


  99. Lily
    100 | February 23, 2013 1:04 pm

    @ Lily:

    Darn keyboard is acting up again. (I know it hates me).

    Raylan always shoots


  100. lobo91
    101 | February 23, 2013 1:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Ah Raylan always shots…if he has to.

    He always seems to get the girl, too.

    Maybe I need to shoot more people… :)


  101. 102 | February 23, 2013 1:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Ah Raylan always shots…if he has to.
    He always seems to get the girl, too.
    Maybe I need to shoot more people…

    Or keep teaching more girls to shoot…


  102. Lily
    103 | February 23, 2013 1:07 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Well in this fallen world there are always vices…


  103. Lily
    104 | February 23, 2013 1:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Ah Raylan always shots…if he has to.
    He always seems to get the girl, too.
    Maybe I need to shoot more people…

    Ah it’s not the shooting…it’s the Gary Cooper walk in those blue jeans and cowboy boots. ;)


  104. lobo91
    105 | February 23, 2013 1:09 pm

    @ Lily:

    Ah it’s not the shooting…it’s the Gary Cooper walk in those blue jeans and cowboy boots.

    I guess I’m out of luck, then.

    Story of my life…


  105. Lily
    106 | February 23, 2013 1:11 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Ah Raylan always shots…if he has to.
    He always seems to get the girl, too.
    Maybe I need to shoot more people…
    Or keep teaching more girls to shoot…

    Well that’s what a little Ruger .380′s are made for. Anniversary gifts?


  106. Lily
    107 | February 23, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well here is some good southern advice….if a woman can cook well, doesn’t matter if she is a little homely and don’t be fooled by that make-up either…that make-up can hide a lot of evil. But if she can cook real well you will always be happy with a good meal. ;)


  107. lobo91
    108 | February 23, 2013 1:16 pm

    @ Lily:

    Fortunately, I can cook.

    Which is good, since I would have starved to death long ago, otherwise.


  108. Lily
    109 | February 23, 2013 1:24 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well darn it….Well maybe one of these nights…


  109. 110 | February 23, 2013 1:28 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    You are the sort of Grumpy Old White Person that is alienating the yoof and minorities from the GOP!

    You bet yer ass I am!


  110. lobo91
    111 | February 23, 2013 1:30 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Or keep teaching more girls to shoot…

    All the women I meet that way seem to be too young, or married. Or both.

    There actually was one that I liked last week. I even asked her out after class.


  111. 112 | February 23, 2013 1:31 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    But that’s “grouchy”, not “grumpy.”


  112. Lily
    113 | February 23, 2013 1:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Ah it’s not the shooting…it’s the Gary Cooper walk in those blue jeans and cowboy boots.
    I guess I’m out of luck, then.
    Story of my life…

    Not out of luck…hang in there!


  113. Lily
    114 | February 23, 2013 1:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Or keep teaching more girls to shoot…
    All the women I meet that way seem to be too young, or married. Or both.
    There actually was one that I liked last week. I even asked her out after class.

    And?????


  114. RIX
    115 | February 23, 2013 1:34 pm

    @ Lily:
    I’ll give Obama that he may have abandonment issues.
    He should, both of his parents abandoned him.
    Still he talks about them like they were Ozzie and Harriet.


  115. Lily
    116 | February 23, 2013 1:36 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    But that’s “grouchy”, not “grumpy.”

    Yeah I’d go with *grouchy*…but hey there is nothing wrong with that.


  116. 117 | February 23, 2013 1:36 pm

    @ Lily:

    Inquiring minds want to know…

    Cook her dinner, introduce her to the dog, take her to the range. What could go wrong?

    And what the hell do I know about this stuff at this point? I haven’t been on a date in over 40 years.


  117. lobo91
    118 | February 23, 2013 1:37 pm

    @ Lily:

    And?????

    And nothing.


  118. Lily
    119 | February 23, 2013 1:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’ll give Obama that he may have abandonment issues.
    He should, both of his parents abandoned him.
    Still he talks about them like they were Ozzie and Harriet.

    I’d agree with you there. Mom and Dad really did a number on him so he has created this false image of them to remember. Only way he could cope.


  119. Lily
    120 | February 23, 2013 1:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    And?????
    And nothing.

    Oh well. Next time. Don’t give up.


  120. Lily
    121 | February 23, 2013 1:41 pm


  121. Lily
    122 | February 23, 2013 1:42 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Inquiring minds want to know…
    Cook her dinner, introduce her to the dog, take her to the range. What could go wrong?
    And what the hell do I know about this stuff at this point? I haven’t been on a date in over 40 years.

    Hey it’s an idea…I haven’t been on a date in at least 34 years myself. ;)


  122. 123 | February 23, 2013 1:45 pm

    @ Lily:

    And all my dates for 6 years before that were with the same person. Only thing I ever got right in my life. Well, we all have to take what we can get, yes?


  123. lobo91
    124 | February 23, 2013 1:45 pm

    @ Lily:

    It’s been about 2 1/2 years for me. Before that, about a decade.


  124. Lily
    125 | February 23, 2013 1:46 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Lily:
    And all my dates for 6 years before that were with the same person. Only thing I ever got right in my life. Well, we all have to take what we can get, yes?

    Indeed MikeC. Indeed. :)


  125. Moe Katz
    126 | February 23, 2013 1:52 pm

    Isn’t anyone fornicating around here, or do fornicators not hang around blogs like this?


  126. Lily
    127 | February 23, 2013 1:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s been about 2 1/2 years for me. Before that, about a decade.

    Well that’s a dry spell. Not sure I know what to tell you other than don’t give up…you might hear a lot of *no’s* before you get that *yes*. But if you look at the odds…there will be a yes sooner or later. Law of averages!


  127. Lily
    128 | February 23, 2013 1:53 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    You just like writing that word don’t you? ;)


  128. Lily
    129 | February 23, 2013 1:53 pm


  129. Moe Katz
    130 | February 23, 2013 1:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    You just like writing that word don’t you?

    :)


  130. Lily
    131 | February 23, 2013 1:56 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    I knew it!


  131. Moe Katz
    132 | February 23, 2013 1:58 pm

    @ Lily:
    A nice vanity license plate would be 4nik8r, but you’d probably never get away with it.


  132. Lily
    133 | February 23, 2013 1:59 pm


  133. Lily
    134 | February 23, 2013 2:01 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    I think you could down in these parts just as long as you pay the extra money for it. Free speech and all. ;)


  134. Moe Katz
    135 | February 23, 2013 2:02 pm

    @ Lily:
    Here they won’t give you anything that’s risquee or controversial.


  135. Lily
    136 | February 23, 2013 2:02 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    And why in the world would you want that???
    /wait you like people looking at you don’t you?
    ;)


  136. Moe Katz
    137 | February 23, 2013 2:05 pm

    @ Lily:
    I think of funny license plate ideas all the time. They just pop into my head.


  137. Lily
    138 | February 23, 2013 2:05 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Here they won’t give you anything that’s risquee or controversial.

    I’m pretty sure you could get away with risquee here. I have seen some of those plates…just not really out there…well at least I don’t think really out there.


  138. 139 | February 23, 2013 2:07 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    “Motherfucker…Cocksucker….”

    /rinse_and_repeat


  139. Lily
    140 | February 23, 2013 2:07 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I think of funny license plate ideas all the time. They just pop into my head.

    A lovely hobby if I may so! ;)
    /I post random tunes … or kill threads on the blog.
    Just depends on the day ..time of day…or week. ;)


  140. 141 | February 23, 2013 2:07 pm

    @ Lily:

    I used to sing that song as “So-viet Un-ion Wants To Rule The World!”


  141. Moe Katz
    142 | February 23, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ Lily:
    It’s not so much fun if you’re not putting one over on the censors, though. Here, even if they issue the plate, they’ll retract it if it offends people or says something rude they didn’t catch the first time.


  142. Lily
    143 | February 23, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ Macker:

    Well I declare! ;)
    /think happy thoughts Macker…happy thoughts. ;)


  143. Lily
    144 | February 23, 2013 2:09 pm

    @ Macker:

    True…that’s when it was made…’80′s baby!


  144. Moe Katz
    145 | February 23, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ Macker:
    I see you got deleted again. You should collect your deleted posts and publish an anthology.


  145. Lily
    146 | February 23, 2013 2:12 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It’s not so much fun if you’re not putting one over on the censors, though. Here, even if they issue the plate, they’ll retract it if it offends people or says something rude they didn’t catch the first time.

    I see your dilemma. I could say a plate offended me and nothing would be done.
    /it’s like they have broken your wings!


  146. 147 | February 23, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    I still see the post….


  147. Moe Katz
    148 | February 23, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ Lily:
    Do you know what Macker said that got deleted? I’m always dying of curiosity when I come across those [deleted] stubs.


  148. Lily
    149 | February 23, 2013 2:16 pm

    @ Macker:

    Ah it’s still there…I think Moe was teasing you! ;)


  149. Moe Katz
    150 | February 23, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Macker:
    It’s No.10. Maybe you need to refresh your browser.


  150. 151 | February 23, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    @ Lily:

    I put [Deleted] in a post whenever I have an opinion of something that is so vile, even I have trouble expressing it the right way!


  151. Lily
    152 | February 23, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Well yes I do. He is saying [deleted].


  152. RIX
    153 | February 23, 2013 2:18 pm

    I’d agree with you there. Mom and Dad really did a number on him so he has created this false image of them to remember. Only way he could cope.

    reply | quote@ Lily:

    Well put. So much about Obama is false.
    I think that the dog is just to humanize him.


  153. Lily
    154 | February 23, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ Macker:

    ;) I know.


  154. Moe Katz
    155 | February 23, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ Macker:
    Ah! Cute!


  155. Lily
    156 | February 23, 2013 2:20 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    He said [deleted]. ;)


  156. Lily
    157 | February 23, 2013 2:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I’d agree with you there. Mom and Dad really did a number on him so he has created this false image of them to remember. Only way he could cope.
    reply | quote@ Lily:
    Well put. So much about Obama is false.
    I think that the dog is just to humanize him.

    Well we do have a bat-sh*t crazy president this time I must say.
    So many things going on with him I’m surprised he isn’t medicated a lot of the time.


  157. Moe Katz
    158 | February 23, 2013 2:22 pm

    Lily wrote:

    He said [deleted]. ;)

    Yes, now I get it. I see those from time to time and wondered about that. It’s a good way not to have to weigh cuss words every time.


  158. Moe Katz
    159 | February 23, 2013 2:24 pm

    Must go to the post office, bbl.


  159. Lily
    160 | February 23, 2013 2:24 pm


  160. Lily
    161 | February 23, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ RIX:

    That poor dog…I bet the Secret Service takes care of that dog when the lights aren’t on the family. I’d bank money on it.


  161. Lily
    162 | February 23, 2013 2:32 pm


  162. Lily
    163 | February 23, 2013 2:33 pm

    Darn it…I’ve killed the thread…totally! :(


  163. brookly red
    164 | February 23, 2013 2:35 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Darn it…I’ve killed the thread…totally!

    yup… your prints are all over it.


  164. waldensianspirit
    165 | February 23, 2013 2:37 pm

    So if $55 billion can run so much of government and important services, why don’t we skip the sequester, spend this so important $55 billion and not spend the other 3.7 trillion?


  165. Lily
    166 | February 23, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Brookly….*shush*….I’m innocent till proven guilty..that was a false confession in that post. :oops:


  166. waldensianspirit
    167 | February 23, 2013 2:40 pm

    3,700 billion


  167. brookly red
    168 | February 23, 2013 2:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Brookly….*shush*….I’m innocent till proven guilty..that was a false confession in that post.

    well it appears the thread lives…


  168. Lily
    169 | February 23, 2013 2:43 pm


  169. Lily
    170 | February 23, 2013 2:44 pm

    @ brookly red:

    See it was a false confession. ;)
    /apparently I’m losing my touch.


  170. brookly red
    171 | February 23, 2013 2:46 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    So if $55 billion can run so much of government and important services, why don’t we skip the sequester, spend this so important $55 billion and not spend the other 3.7 trillion?

    see it’s kinda like when they sent all “non-essential” grubermint workers home if they see a snowflake…


  171. brookly red
    172 | February 23, 2013 2:47 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    See it was a false confession.
    /apparently I’m losing my touch.

    it’s still attempted threadocide…


  172. Lily
    173 | February 23, 2013 2:47 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    So if $55 billion can run so much of government and important services, why don’t we skip the sequester, spend this so important $55 billion and not spend the other 3.7 trillion?

    We don’t know *why* our government does the things they do…they make something simple difficult. Plus there is no common sense going on either.


  173. Lily
    174 | February 23, 2013 2:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    *False Confession*….attention seeker. :oops:
    /that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. ;)


  174. Lily
    175 | February 23, 2013 2:52 pm


  175. brookly red
    176 | February 23, 2013 2:55 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    *False Confession*….attention seeker.
    /that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    I don’t know it still looks iffy…


  176. Lily
    177 | February 23, 2013 2:56 pm

    @ brookly red:

    iffy isn’t proof….oh I will not leave town. ;)


  177. Lily
    178 | February 23, 2013 2:57 pm


  178. Lily
    179 | February 23, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Wait a minute…it does appear to be *grasping* for breath….
    /dammit


  179. RIX
    180 | February 23, 2013 3:02 pm

    Well we do have a bat-sh*t crazy president this time I must say.
    So many things going on with him I’m surprised he isn’t medicated a lot of the time.@ Lily:

    Yeh, he is a head case. He’s such hard lefty because he is grievance
    whore.
    He is the most unqualified man in any room, but is the President.
    Yet he acts like he is upset that he is not fully appreciated.


  180. Lily
    181 | February 23, 2013 3:04 pm


  181. RIX
    182 | February 23, 2013 3:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    That poor dog…I bet the Secret Service takes care of that dog when the lights aren’t on the family. I’d bank money on it.

    Actually, an ex jock gets six figures to take care of the dog, seriously.


  182. Lily
    183 | February 23, 2013 3:06 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Well we do have a bat-sh*t crazy president this time I must say.
    So many things going on with him I’m surprised he isn’t medicated a lot of the time.@ Lily:
    Yeh, he is a head case. He’s such hard lefty because he is grievance
    whore.
    He is the most unqualified man in any room, but is the President.
    Yet he acts like he is upset that he is not fully appreciated.

    He is a strange one for sure…and it’s sad that nothing will be written about him as a head case at least in the not fore-seeable future.


  183. Lily
    184 | February 23, 2013 3:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ RIX:
    That poor dog…I bet the Secret Service takes care of that dog when the lights aren’t on the family. I’d bank money on it.
    Actually, an ex jock gets six figures to take care of the dog, seriously.

    Six figures??????? Really??? Dear heavens they really don’t care about spending us into the ground!


  184. brookly red
    185 | February 23, 2013 3:12 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    That poor dog…I bet the Secret Service takes care of that dog when the lights aren’t on the family. I’d bank money on it.

    Actually, an ex jock gets six figures to take care of the dog, seriously.

    well it’s not actually a bad deal, he has to walk Biden too…


  185. Lily
    186 | February 23, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Biden the 10th Wonder of the World. Oh and he is a wonder.


  186. Lily
    187 | February 23, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Dirty work…I say.


  187. RIX
    188 | February 23, 2013 3:19 pm

    Well we do have a bat-sh*t crazy president this time I must say.
    So many things going on with him I’m surprised he isn’t medicated a lot of the time.@ brookly red:

    But then he has to clean up after him.


  188. 189 | February 23, 2013 3:20 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Hey Moe! Paki!


  189. RIX
    190 | February 23, 2013 3:21 pm

    Six figures??????? Really??? Dear heavens they really don’t care about spending us into the ground!@ Lily:

    Obama will spend til your last dime.


  190. brookly red
    191 | February 23, 2013 3:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Well we do have a bat-sh*t crazy president this time I must say.
    So many things going on with him I’m surprised he isn’t medicated a lot of the time.@ brookly red:

    But then he has to clean up after him.

    So where exactly did you think the organic fertilizer for the WH garden came from anyway?


  191. brookly red
    192 | February 23, 2013 3:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Six figures??????? Really??? Dear heavens they really don’t care about spending us into the ground!@ Lily:

    Obama will spend til your last dime.

    well our last dime was 16 trillion dollars ago, we in debt remember.


  192. Lily
    193 | February 23, 2013 3:26 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Six figures??????? Really??? Dear heavens they really don’t care about spending us into the ground!@ Lily:
    Obama will spend til your last dime.

    I have no doubt at all about that, no doubt! Which reminds me of this…oddly.


  193. Lily
    194 | February 23, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Down to our last penny to be honest.


  194. RIX
    195 | February 23, 2013 3:29 pm

    So where exactly did you think the organic fertilizer for the WH garden came from anyway?
    @ brookly red:

    No wonder Moochelle keeps him around.


  195. RIX
    196 | February 23, 2013 3:32 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Some Lefty was on the radio claiming that BHO has reduced the
    deficit every year that he has been in office.
    The debt& the deficit are not the same thing.


  196. brookly red
    197 | February 23, 2013 3:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Some Lefty was on the radio claiming that BHO has reduced the
    deficit every year that he has been in office.
    The debt& the deficit are not the same thing.

    correct… debt is the money you borrow to pay for the deficit because you spent more than you had in the first place.


  197. Lily
    198 | February 23, 2013 3:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Some Lefty was on the radio claiming that BHO has reduced the
    deficit every year that he has been in office.
    The debt& the deficit are not the same thing.

    Honestly? Like I said before …crazy, crazy, crazy!


  198. lobo91
    199 | February 23, 2013 3:37 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yes, it has been lower each year than the year before, but that’s after he nearly tripled it the first year over Bush’s final year.

    They always leave that part out.


  199. RIX
    200 | February 23, 2013 3:40 pm

    correct… debt is the money you borrow to pay for the deficit because you spent more than you had in the first place.
    @ brookly red:

    It seems like Libs never get the distinction.


  200. RIX
    201 | February 23, 2013 3:41 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Some Lefty was on the radio claiming that BHO has reduced the
    deficit every year that he has been in office.
    The debt& the deficit are not the same thing.

    Honestly? Like I said before …crazy, crazy, crazy!

    Total derangement.


  201. lobo91
    202 | February 23, 2013 3:42 pm

    Noted Black Politician Joe Biden To Mark Black History Month With Trip To Selma…

    Vice President Joe Biden will commemorate Black History Month with a trip to Selma, Ala., where he will participate in the annual ceremonial crossing of the Edmund Pettus Bridge, The Root reported Friday.

    The vice president will also attend the Martin and Coretta King Unity Brunch.

    The annual bridge crossing is held the first weekend every March to commemorate “Bloody Sunday” — the 1965 march from Selma to Montgomery, Ala., to protest the killing of civil rights protester Jimmie Lee Jackson by an Alabama state trooper. As hundreds of protesters reached the Edmund Pettus Bridge, state troopers fired tear gas into the crowd. Many protesters were badly beaten, and seventeen were hospitalized.

    Ah, yes…the 1965 protest where Barack Obama’s parents first met.

    When he was 4 years old.

    //Lies From Our President


  202. Lily
    203 | February 23, 2013 3:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    correct… debt is the money you borrow to pay for the deficit because you spent more than you had in the first place.
    @ brookly red:
    It seems like Libs never get the distinction.

    They prefer magical thinking. I’ve seen it in action it isn’t pretty. It doesn’t really make sense and you are left with the impression really you honestly think and believe this way? Dear heavens where did your brain go?


  203. RIX
    204 | February 23, 2013 3:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yes, it has been lower each year than the year before, but that’s after he nearly tripled it the first year over Bush’s final year.

    They always leave that part out.

    They will lie through their teeth & say that it’s not true.
    It really is like a cult & the Leader can’t err.


  204. lobo91
    205 | February 23, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ RIX:

    Of course, they still claim that Clinton balanced the budget, and that there was some sort of “surplus” when he left.

    Both false.


  205. Lily
    206 | February 23, 2013 3:48 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They met in Alabama at a protest?
    /I mean if you are going to fib, lie or embellish at least go with something that might be believable.


  206. Lily
    207 | February 23, 2013 3:50 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Hey Moe! Paki!

    Macker… I don’t understand here… ?


  207. RIX
    208 | February 23, 2013 3:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Of course, they still claim that Clinton balanced the budget, and that there was some sort of “surplus” when he left.

    Both false.

    And the Republicans are a fault if there is a sequestor.


  208. lobo91
    209 | February 23, 2013 3:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    They met in Alabama at a protest?
    /I mean if you are going to fib, lie or embellish at least go with something that might be believable.

    Here’s a video of the speech where he lied about it:

    Complete with fake Southern accent.


  209. lobo91
    210 | February 23, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ RIX:

    And the Republicans are a fault if there is a sequestor.

    Not that it will matter whose fault it is, since we’re all going to die anyway.

    If we don’t die from eating poisoned meat, it’ll be because a plane falls out of the sky on our house, and there won’t be anyone to rescue us.


  210. RIX
    211 | February 23, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Obama can slip into Black Southern dialect at anytime.
    He was so into it in Honolulu & Jakarta./


  211. lobo91
    212 | February 23, 2013 3:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama can slip into Black Southern dialect at anytime.
    He was so into it in Honolulu & Jakarta./

    I think Hillary gave him lessons.


  212. brookly red
    213 | February 23, 2013 3:59 pm

    and unlike Hillary’s it’s sounds authentic


  213. brookly red
    214 | February 23, 2013 3:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama can slip into Black Southern dialect at anytime.
    He was so into it in Honolulu & Jakarta./

    I think Hillary gave him lessons.

    beat me by 1 second there…


  214. Lily
    215 | February 23, 2013 4:00 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I just wish someone ….anyone in the media would call him on his lies…fake accent and all. Wishful thinking I know.


  215. RIX
    216 | February 23, 2013 4:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    And the Republicans are a fault if there is a sequestor.

    Not that it will matter whose fault it is, since we’re all going to die anyway.

    If we don’t die from eating poisoned meat, it’ll be because a plane falls out of the sky on our house, and there won’t be anyone to rescue us.

    The Sequestor will be less than 2% of the Federal Budget.
    Any real pain will be because Obama is trying to make a point.


  216. lobo91
    217 | February 23, 2013 4:02 pm

    I think it’s nice that all these Democrat politicians can go down to Selma once a year to commemorate the killing of a protester by Democrat officials.


  217. 218 | February 23, 2013 4:02 pm

    New Thread


  218. RIX
    219 | February 23, 2013 4:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Obama can slip into Black Southern dialect at anytime.
    He was so into it in Honolulu & Jakarta./

    I think Hillary gave him lessons.

    “‘Ah am in no way tared…………..”


  219. Lily
    220 | February 23, 2013 4:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ironic isn’t it?


  220. lobo91
    221 | February 23, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ RIX:

    The Sequestor will be less than 2% of the Federal Budget.
    Any real pain will be because Obama is trying to make a point.

    Facts don’t matter. It’s going to be a ready-made excuse to blame Republicans for anything bad that happens.

    Big snowstorm? Republicans’ fault.

    Meteor? Republicans’ fault.

    Terrorist attack? Republicans’ fault.

    Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez don’t get back together? Republicans’ fault.


  221. Bumr50
    222 | February 23, 2013 4:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Apparently, Jeb Bush is going to be the keynote speaker for their Reagan Day banquet.

    So yes, I’d say that it’s time to take away their “C”

    Went to Olive Garden for lunch.

    We need to start calling it REPAC.

    That’ll irritate them.


  222. Da_Beerfreak
    223 | February 23, 2013 4:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    New Thread

    Now there’s a real thread killer!! :shock:


  223. RIX
    224 | February 23, 2013 4:10 pm

    @ lobo91:
    FNC had a poll that establishes that the public already blames Republicans
    for a potential sequestor.
    Most don’t understand that it is Obamas creation or even what it mens.


  224. Da_Beerfreak
    225 | February 23, 2013 4:12 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    FNC had a poll that establishes that the public already blames Republicans
    for a potential sequestor.
    Most don’t understand that it is Obamas creation or even what it mens.

    If the lame stream obamamedia don’t tell the Mushrooms; it didn’t happen.


  225. lobo91
    226 | February 23, 2013 4:18 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    FNC had a poll that establishes that the public already blames Republicans
    for a potential sequestor.
    Most don’t understand that it is Obamas creation or even what it mens.

    Of course they don’t because the entire rest of the media is passing along the White House lies.


  226. RIX
    227 | February 23, 2013 4:18 pm

    If the lame stream obamamedia don’t tell the Mushrooms; it didn’t happen.
    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    The Media doesn’t report the news, they manage it.
    They let the low information crowd know what to think
    about things.


  227. RIX
    228 | February 23, 2013 4:22 pm

    Of course they don’t because the entire rest of the media is passing along the White House lies.
    @ lobo91:

    They are beyond shame. They even rehearsed among different
    news organizations how to ambush Romney.


  228. brookly red
    229 | February 23, 2013 4:22 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    If the lame stream obamamedia don’t tell the Mushrooms; it didn’t happen.

    Mushrooms? wow I should heat up some of yesterday’s pizza


  229. brookly red
    230 | February 23, 2013 4:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Of course they don’t because the entire rest of the media is passing along the White House lies.
    @ lobo91:

    They are beyond shame. They even rehearsed among different
    news organizations how to ambush Romney.

    The GOP should simply refrain from dealing with the MSM and only talk to objective new media there is no down side


  230. Da_Beerfreak
    231 | February 23, 2013 4:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    If the lame stream obamamedia don’t tell the Mushrooms; it didn’t happen.
    Mushrooms? wow I should heat up some of yesterday’s pizza

    Just stay away from the more Liberal Organic ones. :wink:


  231. RIX
    232 | February 23, 2013 4:29 pm

    @ brookly red:
    There is no point in the GOP talking to people like David
    Gregory, with the possible exception of verbally slapping him up.


  232. Da_Beerfreak
    233 | February 23, 2013 4:31 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Of course they don’t because the entire rest of the media is passing along the White House lies.
    @ lobo91:
    They are beyond shame. They even rehearsed among different
    news organizations how to ambush Romney.

    The GOP should simply refrain from dealing with the MSM and only talk to objective new media there is no down side

    If only it was that easy.
    There’s still the problem caused by the likes of McCain and other RINO’s sucking up to the Lame Stream Media (LSM). :evil:


  233. Bumr50
    234 | February 23, 2013 6:42 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Just stay away from the more Liberal Organic ones. :wink:

    Shrooms or pizza?

    We had one of these Pizza Fusions here locally.

    It didn’t last long.

    Priuzza.


  234. Da_Beerfreak
    235 | February 23, 2013 7:23 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Just stay away from the more Liberal Organic ones. :wink:

    Shrooms or pizza?

    We had one of these Pizza Fusions here locally.

    It didn’t last long.

    Priuzza.

    Yes. :wink:


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