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Al-Qaeda’s Successes in Syria

by Rodan ( 106 Comments › )
Filed under Al Qaeda, Hezballah, Islamists, Syria at February 25th, 2013 - 7:00 am

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The events of the past few weeks has shown that al-Qaeda’s Syrian branch, the al-Nusra front is the most effective fighting force of the Syrian rebels. They have achieved victories against Assad’s forces and have battered Hizb’Allah. They have spectacular suicide bombing attacks on Assad Regime targets and even killed an Iranian al-Quds force commander. Their success is ironically due to the US.

Al-Nusra Front is actually an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq. During the Iraq war, Bashar Assad allowed al-Qaeda to set up bases in Syria to use against Americans in Iraq. During the conflict, al-Qaeda acquired combat skills from fighting American forces. When the war ended they never left Syria. Instead they began to recruit Syrians into al-Qaeda. When Bashar Assad began cracking down on anti-Regime protests led by the Muslim Brotherhood an Islamist armed revolt began. Al-Nusra then used the skills they acquired fighting Americans against Assad’s forces. This has made al-Qaeda’s SYrian branch one of the organization’s greatest successes.

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Al Qaeda’s franchise in Syria, just one year old, is now the fastest growing al Qaeda front in the world, attracting fighters from across the Islamic world. Jabhat al Nusra, translated variously as the Victory Front or the Support Front for the Syrian People, was founded in January 2012, almost a year after the first demonstrations against the dictatorship of President Basher al Assad. It was created with the assistance of the al Qaeda franchise in Iraq that was formed nearly a decade ago during the American invasion. The Iraqi base provided a safe haven for setting up the front in Syria and still provides sanctuary for the Syrian group to this day.

The Syrian franchise has also gotten crucial support from the al Qaeda core in Pakistan. Al Qaeda’s Amir Ayman Zawahiri issued a public call in February 2012 in which he demanded that “every Muslim and every free and honest person in Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, and Lebanon to rise and help their brothers in Syria with everything they have and can do.” Zawahiri’s call, just after the announcement of the creation of the al Nusra front and its first major attacks in Aleppo, was clearly coordinated with the fighters on the ground. Since Zawahiri’s call at least one senior member of the al Qaeda shura council in Pakistan has traveled to Syria to further coordinate plans and operations with the core hiding in Pakistan. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton termed the exchanges of messages between al Qaeda in Pakistan and al Nusra in Syria as “deeply disturbing” in one of her final interviews in office.

Estimates of the size of the al Nusra organization vary but they may now account for up to a quarter of the opposition fighters in Syria. The al Qaeda presence is stronger around Aleppo and the north than around Damascus, but it is becoming a national phenomenon. Without doubt, they are among the most effective fighters in the resistance to the Assad regime and the most willing to use multiple simultaneous suicide bombings, an al Qaeda trademark. Al Qaeda in Iraq has a wealth of experience in developing large sophisticated bombs – experience that has been exported into Syria.

And the front is attracting more fighters rapidly, not just among Syrians but from across the Muslim world

The Syrian War has become a wet dream for al-Qaeda. Damascus was the first capital of the Arab Caliphate, when Syria was seized by the Arabs from the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantines) in 636. This is one of the motivations for al-Qaeda who believe history is repeating itself. They are in the lead of the revolt against Assad and have been able to outfight his forces and their Lebanese Shia allies.

Despite al-Qaeda clearly leading the revolt against Assad, many Democrats and Republicans continue to call for arming the Syrian rebels. Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is planning to introduce a bill to arm the Syrian Rebels. The sad part is that thanks to the interventionist/Nation Building ideology of the Republican elite, this could very well happen. When will ever learn to let the Mideast burn and self destruct?

Bashar Assad has only himself to blame for this current predictament. He invited al-Qaeda into Syria to kill Americans in Iraq. Now they are going after him and have turned on their former allies Hizb’Allah. This shows the futility in dealing with the Islamic world. If they turn in each other, they will turn on the Kuffar.

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106 Responses to “Al-Qaeda’s Successes in Syria”
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  1. Guggi
    1 | February 25, 2013 8:13 am

    Can’t be true because (as everyone will remember):

    State Dept.: Al Qaeda on ‘decline’

    The killing of Osama bin Laden has sent the core leadership of Al Qaeda into a downward spiral “that will be difficult to reverse,” but regional affiliates of the terror network remain a threat, according to a State Department report on terrorism released Tuesday.

    “The loss of bin Ladin and these other key operatives puts the network on a path of decline that will be difficult to reverse,” the reports reads.


  2. Moe Katz
    2 | February 25, 2013 8:17 am

    @ Guggi:
    No contradiction there. The head office is smashed, but the branch franchises are active.


  3. 3 | February 25, 2013 8:22 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    They say:

    The loss of bin Ladin and these other key operatives puts the network on a path of decline that will be difficult to reverse

    With gains in Libya and Syria, it looks like at best this was an overly-optomistic take. The network is growing in strength. Killing bin Laden was a symbolic victory, nothing more. Even for 9-11 bin Laden wasn’t the brains behind the attack, just the inspiration. Obama acts like killing bin Laden put al Qaeda out of business, and that is simply not true.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | February 25, 2013 8:51 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    No contradiction there. The head office is smashed, but the branch franchises are active.

    as long as the branch offices and logistics / communications systems exists, the struggle can move forward.

    actually, the most successful terror groups used this sort of non-centralized ‘cell’ approach to their efforts. in this case, each cell for al-q is the country in which the franchise operates. pretty good strategy and pretty much impossible to eradicate.


  5. Guggi
    5 | February 25, 2013 8:57 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Couldn’t agree more. AQ is on the winning side/path with their strategic goal to overthrow all (Arab) governments with relationships to the U.S.A. Their goal is to isolate Israel and cut US-support off.
    The Jordan king could be the next. There are tribes within the Bedouines who support AQ, others support the king. This could become very, very ugly.

    Because of the stupid “terrorism is a tactic not a strategy” they were out of understanding what the real strategy goals of AQ are.


  6. Speranza
    6 | February 25, 2013 9:00 am

    It is sort of like watching your mother-in-law drive over the cliff in your brand new car.


  7. 7 | February 25, 2013 9:03 am

    @ Guggi:

    Yeah, we’ve never taken a strategic approach to this war. That isn’t surprising given that we are afraid to even name the enemy. If you can’t even name your enemy, how can you possibly devise a strategy to defeat him? He has already defeated you. Everything else is just marking time. I think we will eventually wake up and name our enemy, but we’ll have to get hit again before that happens. We will need a real leader to step up, name the enemy, and devise a strategy to defeat him. I think Bush thought he was being strategic with his “Spread Democracy” bullshit. I think he really thought that given the option of true freedom, the Islamic world would choose that over terrorism. As we can see on so many fronts, that hope was false.


  8. 8 | February 25, 2013 9:21 am

    @ Guggi:

    I guess Assad and Hizballah have not gotten the memo about al-Qaeda’s demise.


  9. 9 | February 25, 2013 9:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think Bush thought he was being strategic with his “Spread Democracy” bullshit. I think he really thought that given the option of true freedom, the Islamic world would choose that over terrorism. As we can see on so many fronts, that hope was false.

    Bush bought was lied to by some advisors who had an alternate agenda. These clowns belive it is America’s duty to invade and overthrow countries and set up Democracies, consequnces be dammned. The sad part is tehse clowns still have sway over the GOP and still believe the spread Democracy crap. Look at how Romney was itching to back al-Qaeda in Syria. This is just crazy!


  10. 10 | February 25, 2013 9:29 am

    @ Guggi:

    Lebaon and Jordan are next. Once Syria falls, al-Nusra and the FSA are going to go after Hizballah and the Lebanese Shia like a pack of wolves after deer. I despise the Lebanese Shia and they will get what they desrve.

    In the case of Jordan, Israel will not let the Hashemite Kingdom go down. It’s their eastern buffer.


  11. 11 | February 25, 2013 9:32 am

    @ Speranza:

    I am enjoying the Syrian conflict!


  12. 12 | February 25, 2013 9:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    In the case of Jordan, Israel will not let the Hashemite Kingdom go down. It’s their eastern buffer.

    I don’t disagree, but that draws Israel into a wider regional war, and that is likely to draw the United States in. We need to think strategically here. Easy to say, but our high command isn’t even thinking tactically. They are totally reactive to what happens on the battle front. As far as I can tell, Obama’s “strategy” is one of tactical surrender.


  13. 13 | February 25, 2013 9:42 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:

    They say:

    The loss of bin Ladin and these other key operatives puts the network on a path of decline that will be difficult to reverse

    With gains in Libya and Syria, it looks like at best this was an overly-optomistic take. The network is growing in strength. Killing bin Laden was a symbolic victory, nothing more. Even for 9-11 bin Laden wasn’t the brains behind the attack, just the inspiration. Obama acts like killing bin Laden put al Qaeda out of business, and that is simply not true.

    And the Idiots in Congress (House and Senate) buy the snake oil أوباما sells!


  14. 14 | February 25, 2013 9:42 am

    @ Rodan:

    What WILL the Star Trek King do then?


  15. 15 | February 25, 2013 9:58 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The US wouold try to stop it, since it would be Israel vs. The Muslim Brotherhood Block. Both are US allies. I think the US should in that scenario jump in on Jordan and Israel’s side, but are elites in Wahinginton (Both Parties) love Islam. So the US response is not predicatble.


  16. 16 | February 25, 2013 10:00 am

    @ Macker:

    Fight AQ/MB.


  17. Moe Katz
    17 | February 25, 2013 10:19 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    as long as the branch offices and logistics / communications systems exists, the struggle can move forward.

    The local franchises seem to focus on the regional conflicts, however, not on carrying out terror attacks in western countries. They don’t seem particularly interested in pulling off more 9-11′s and 7-7′s….


  18. citizen_q
    18 | February 25, 2013 10:23 am

    Meanwhile here at home.

    Louis Farrakhan: Gang Members Can Serve As Protectors

    UNIVERSITY VILLAGE — Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan told thousands of followers Sunday he was planning to reach out to gang leaders to help “protect” the Nation of Islam.

    That came at the Nation of Islam’s annual Saviours’ Day convention. Farrakhan, 79, renewed the call for blacks to pool money and buy as much land as possible, in order to “control means of production” and produce food and other goods, such as clothing.

    Farrakhan said collectively owning land is a way for black people in America to prosper economically. The calls were part of a speech that lasted more than three hours and touched on topics including Libya’s Moammar Gadhafi, U.S. Defense Secretary nominee Chuck Hagel and a national push for gun control.

    Farrakhan told a crowd of more than 7,000 people that national lawmakers are using Chicago’s violence epidemic to push for stronger gun control laws but said the Second Amendment has nothing to do with the spate of shootings in Chicago.

    “The guns that every one of our young people have, are they legal? No!” Farrakhan said.

    Instead, Farrakhan had a different idea for how to address gun violence. In addition to sending letters to black military leaders, Farrakhan said he planned to contact the city’s gang leaders to recruit gang members to “protect” any land the Nation of Islam might buy in the future.

    “All you gangbangers, we know you love to shoot, but you’re killing yourselves,” Farrakhan said. “All your weapons are illegal and you’re using them like savages.”

    But Farrakhan said gangbangers are “natural soldiers” and could be taught “the science of war” to become protectors of the Nation of Islam’s assets in the future.


  19. 19 | February 25, 2013 10:24 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    You are right, but do not see the bigger picture. Al-Qaeda realized ramming oplanes and car bombings will not bring the Caliphate. Instead if thet take over territoty, then they can form the Caliphate. This makes Al-Qaeda much more dangerous than the previous incarnation.


  20. 20 | February 25, 2013 10:24 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    That is a very 9-10 mentality. On 9-10 nobody had any indication al Qaeda was about to pull off the biggest terrorist attack in history.


  21. 21 | February 25, 2013 10:26 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Farrakhan is right about woning land and the 2nd Amendemnt. But he’s a loon. I guess he’s still waiting for the UFO!


  22. Moe Katz
    22 | February 25, 2013 10:28 am

    @ Rodan:
    I’m not convinced they harbor any realistic notions of world conquest. Most of them are just local Salafists that want to dominate traditionally Muslim areas, IMHO.


  23. eaglesoars
    23 | February 25, 2013 10:29 am

    Did you guys see this?

    State Dept. scrambles to salvage Kerry’s meeting with Syrian rebel coalition

    Over the weekend, however, the Syrian Opposition Council — the main umbrella group for the broad array of rebel politicians, clerics and soldiers, many of them Islamists with ties to al-Qaeda and other unsavory networks — announced it was boycotting the session with Kerry in Rome.


  24. 24 | February 25, 2013 10:31 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Islamists will never bow to the weak horse. I think Obama is doing this very deliberately. You can look at the team he wants to assemble and see that he intends to poject American weakness abroad. Weakness invites attack.


  25. Moe Katz
    25 | February 25, 2013 10:32 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Bin Laden always had a more global focus, and there had been previous attacks from his group. I don’t see any evidence that the Iraqi/Syrian groups that use the A-Q brand have that kind of focus. And I don’t believe the idea of a unified Ummah under the caliphate has that much currency in the Muslim world. Nationalism has grown over the past 100 years or so in this part of the world and largely replaced the transnational notion of the most extreme Salafists.


  26. 26 | February 25, 2013 10:36 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Al-Qaeda learned its lesson and are now trying to create the Caliphate by seizing territory. They realized ramming planes is not bringing back the Caliphate. Seizing territory will.


  27. 27 | February 25, 2013 10:37 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’m not convinced they harbor any realistic notions of world conquest. Most of them are just local Salafists that want to dominate traditionally Muslim areas, IMHO.

    Are you serious? Have you not read their writings? What do you think the Caliphate is about? It’s about Establishing a Unified Islamic state that can then set the state of worl conflict.


  28. 28 | February 25, 2013 10:38 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Al-Nusra has made it clear after Syria, they will go after Lebanon and Israel. You really need to do your research.


  29. Moe Katz
    29 | February 25, 2013 10:39 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Al-Nusra has made it clear after Syria, they will go after Lebanon and Israel. You really need to do your research.

    They talk big, but do they have the capabilities?


  30. 30 | February 25, 2013 10:40 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    From their own writings.

    No longer standing on the horizontal tips of newly acquired Scud missiles, as they were seen doing last month, a group of four Jabhat al-Nusra fighters, their faces cloaked by kaffiyas, read from a statement. “We will put our hands on those weapons,” the man in the middle shouted regarding Assad’s biological and chemical arsenal. “We will attack and take over those sites and then use them against the Zionists, from Syrian territory, until we reach Jerusalem.”

    They have also made threats against Russia as well.


  31. 31 | February 25, 2013 10:42 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Did the Arabs have capabilities befiore they took on the Eastern Romans and Persians? Did the Ottoman Tuirks have capabilities when they started off as a band of raiders attacking Byzantine territory? You really need to read the history of Islam and see how they rise and create Empires.


  32. 32 | February 25, 2013 10:42 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Why are we meeting with these clowns?


  33. lobo91
    33 | February 25, 2013 10:42 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    They talk big, but do they have the capabilities?

    They do now, since we’re helping them.


  34. 34 | February 25, 2013 10:43 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    My big question is why are we even meeting with these guys.


  35. Moe Katz
    35 | February 25, 2013 10:43 am

    @ Rodan:
    Lots of bravado. But they’ll never have exclusive power in Syria, and the new government there would have its hands full without taking on Israel. It’s all bullshit IMHO.


  36. lobo91
    36 | February 25, 2013 10:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Why are we meeting with these clowns?

    Because we have morons in charge of our own country?

    John Kerry Makes Up New Country: Kyrzakhstan…


  37. Moe Katz
    37 | February 25, 2013 10:44 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    They talk big, but do they have the capabilities?
    They do now, since we’re helping them.

    Taking on Israel is a whole ‘nother ball game.


  38. 38 | February 25, 2013 10:46 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    You really are naive. One thing about these guys is they dow aht they say. Did you ever expect al-Qaeda to bring Assad to its knees and have Hizballah scared?

    Do not underestimate these guys.

    No offense, you sound like the people who dismissed the Nazis and dismissed the Communist threat.


  39. Moe Katz
    39 | February 25, 2013 10:46 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Did the Arabs have capabilities befiore they took on the Eastern Romans and Persians? Did the Ottoman Tuirks have capabilities when they started off as a band of raiders attacking Byzantine territory? You really need to read the history of Islam and see how they rise and create Empires.

    I don’t think the Salafists have that much traction with the Muslim street in the Middle East. Sure, I could be wrong, but that’s how I read the published polls.


  40. 40 | February 25, 2013 10:48 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    But yous aid they have no regional ambitions? This statemnt by them disproves what you claim.


  41. lobo91
    41 | February 25, 2013 10:48 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    I don’t think the Salafists have that much traction with the Muslim street in the Middle East. Sure, I could be wrong, but that’s how I read the published polls.

    Polls? Conducted in the Middle East?

    LOL!

    //The Easter Bunny was unavailable for comment


  42. 42 | February 25, 2013 10:50 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Really? So why are Islamist parties coming to power?

    Explain that?

    Turkey – AKP (Muslim Brotherhood)
    Gaza – Hamas (Muslim Brotherhood)
    Egypt – Muslim Brotherhood
    Tunisia – Muslim Brotherhood
    Libya – Islamists
    Syria – probably Muslim Brotherhood an al-Qaeda.

    See pattern or do you think the Muzzies are some nice happy people?


  43. Moe Katz
    43 | February 25, 2013 10:53 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    I don’t think the Salafists have that much traction with the Muslim street in the Middle East. Sure, I could be wrong, but that’s how I read the published polls.
    Polls? Conducted in the Middle East?
    LOL!
    //The Easter Bunny was unavailable for comment

    Sorry, there’s tons of polls being done in the ME, and have been for years. Here’s a recent one on the Palestinians


  44. lobo91
    44 | February 25, 2013 10:54 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Sorry, there’s tons of polls being done in the ME, and have been for years. Here’s a recent one on the Palestinians

    I’m well aware of the fact that people conduct opinion polling in the Middle East.

    I also understand that it’s even more worthless than what’s done in the US.


  45. Moe Katz
    45 | February 25, 2013 10:56 am

    @ Rodan:
    I think you’re overgeneralizing and fudging a bit with that list. In Libya, the Islamists are not in power at all, the secular parties have a plurality. We don’t know what the outcome is going to be in Syria, and Turkey is not a Salafist dictatorship. You can still buy a beer in Ankara.


  46. Moe Katz
    46 | February 25, 2013 10:57 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    I also understand that it’s even more worthless than what’s done in the US.

    What evidence do you have for that assertion?


  47. Moe Katz
    47 | February 25, 2013 10:59 am

    bbl


  48. lobo91
    48 | February 25, 2013 11:01 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I also understand that it’s even more worthless than what’s done in the US.
    What evidence do you have for that assertion?

    You honestly believe that it’s possible to conduct opinion polling accurately in an environment where people are dragged from their homes and killed in the night based on rumors that they said the wrong thing to someone?

    I suppose you also believe that US forces killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq. That was based on opinion polling, as well.


  49. waldensianspirit
    49 | February 25, 2013 11:05 am

    @ lobo91:
    How could the fear of getting yer neck sawed off possibly effect yer “free speech”?


  50. lobo91
    50 | February 25, 2013 11:06 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    How could the fear of getting yer neck sawed off possibly effect yer “free speech”?

    Perish the thought…


  51. 51 | February 25, 2013 11:07 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    In Libya, the Islamists are not in power at all, the secular parties have a plurality.

    You are wrong:

    Zeidan, who had support from the leading liberal coalition, the National Forces Alliance, also suggested, however, that he was ready to take into account the views of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood in his government.

    “Islam is our belief system and the source for any jurisprudence, and anything against sharia is refused,” he said.

    Yeah real Secular!

    Turkey is not a Salafist dictatorship. You can still buy a beer in Ankara.

    The Ruling AKP is Muslim Brotherhood.

    The “Turkish model,” in the form of a marriage between moderate Islam and democracy, the AKP’s electoral success and the economic growth witnessed in the last decade, has become the ultimate allure to which Arab Islamists aspire. This study focuses on the main premises of the Islamist PJD (Parti de la Justice et du Développement) of Morocco in order to understand what the “Turkish model” signified for them. By not confining the “Turkish model” solely to the AKP policies, but stretching it instead to the pre-AKP Islamist parties, the idea is to uncover which features of the “Turkish model” are espoused by the Moroccan Islamists and which features are not appreciated

    .

    WHo do you think is helping the Muslim Brotherhood FSA and the al-Qaeda al Nusra? It’s Turkey. Just becasue you can get a beer does not mean they are not Islamist.

    Wake up man.


  52. coldwarrior
    52 | February 25, 2013 11:07 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    The local franchises seem to focus on the regional conflicts, however, not on carrying out terror attacks in western countries. They don’t seem particularly interested in pulling off more 9-11′s and 7-7′s….

    till after they consolidate power. why go after he west right now? we are arming them!


  53. lobo91
    53 | February 25, 2013 11:09 am

    @ Rodan:

    WHo do you think is helping the Muslim Brotherhood FSA and the al-Qaeda al Nusra? It’s Turkey. Just becasue you can get a beer does not mean they are not Islamist.

    You can still get a beer in Egypt, too.

    Or you might be gang-raped.

    Depends on where you happen to be at the moment, and what day of the week it is.


  54. 54 | February 25, 2013 11:12 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    He’s trying to play slick. He’s trying to differentiate between the Salafists and the Muslim Brotherhood. He’s not fooling anyone here.


  55. 55 | February 25, 2013 11:14 am

    @ lobo91:

    He’s being either intellectually Naive or dishonest here. He’s trying to act as if there is a huge difference between salafists and the Muslim Brotherhood. Both have the same end game, global domination.

    But hey, if its the MB, you can drink a beer!
    ///


  56. 56 | February 25, 2013 11:15 am

    @ lobo91:
    There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Polls are all three.


  57. 57 | February 25, 2013 11:17 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    F-16s and Abrams main battle tanks to Egypt. The Abrams really worry me. Those are very hard to kill. And driving a tank doesn’t require the skill and training of a fighter pilot.


  58. coldwarrior
    58 | February 25, 2013 11:21 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    F-16s and Abrams main battle tanks to Egypt. The Abrams really worry me. Those are very hard to kill. And driving a tank doesn’t require the skill and training of a fighter pilot.

    depends on the armor plate, engine, and weapons systems we sold them this stuff is very modular.

    they are an easy target when you dont have air superiority.


  59. 59 | February 25, 2013 11:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Who cares, after all with the Muslim Brotherhood you can still drink a beer!
    ///


  60. 60 | February 25, 2013 11:23 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ coldwarrior:

    The Muzz no longer use tanks and planes. They use infantry anti-tank weapons now.


  61. coldwarrior
    61 | February 25, 2013 11:24 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    also depends on the crew, training, and combined arms tactics. tanks dont do real well out in the open without air cover. an arab tanker is going to be no match for his enemy, be it russian or western. the training, bravery, and all out audacity just isnt there.


  62. 62 | February 25, 2013 11:27 am

    Chris Christie sat next to Michelle Obama at the Governors dinner.


  63. 63 | February 25, 2013 11:27 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    You are assuming that we’d be allowed to fight them all out. I think recent history belies that thought. We’d have super-restrictive ROEs if we ever took on the Egyptians. It isn’t us they are buying the tanks for, though. It is the Israelis. It is funny. Obama asks why you or I need an AR 15, but he doesn’t act like he’s asked the Egyptians why they need main battle tanks. Of course, the answer is blindingly obvious.


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | February 25, 2013 11:29 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ coldwarrior:
    The Muzz no longer use tanks and planes. They use infantry anti-tank weapons now.

    at this moment in time they do.


  65. 65 | February 25, 2013 11:29 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Egypt wwould not attack Israel alone. It would be the whole Muslim Brotherhood Block and al-Qaeda. But first, Assad and Hizballah are the targets.


  66. 66 | February 25, 2013 11:30 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yes, under the current circumastnces you are correct.


  67. coldwarrior
    67 | February 25, 2013 11:31 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    i dont think this hippie 1960′s ROE crap is gonna be around next time we need to go in and whack someone.


  68. coldwarrior
    68 | February 25, 2013 11:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Egypt wwould not attack Israel alone. It would be the whole Muslim Brotherhood Block and al-Qaeda. But first, Assad and Hizballah are the targets.

    eventually they are going to run into the russians.

    lights out MB.


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | February 25, 2013 11:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yes, under the current circumastnces you are correct.

    eventually they will be states and just go buy the tanks, etc…


  70. 70 | February 25, 2013 11:34 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ lobo91:

    Hey that Secular Government Moe Katz was bragging about in Libya!


    The latest from “moderate” Libya: Four foreign Christians, including an American with dual Swedish citizenship, have been arrested on suspicion of being missionaries who have been distributing Christian literature. They were apprehended in Benghazi, the jihadist hotbed where U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were murdered in September. The missionaries could face the death penalty under Islam’s sharia law, which forbids the proselytizing of creeds other than Islam, imposes capital punishment on Muslims who convert to Christianity, and similarly discourages any speech that might sow discord among Muslims.


  71. 71 | February 25, 2013 11:35 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yup, The Caliphate-Russian War will probably end with Islamic countries ending up radiated.


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | February 25, 2013 11:39 am

    @ Rodan:

    how enlightened of john ‘traitor to western civ’ mccain’s friends.


  73. 73 | February 25, 2013 11:41 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    But Libya is a Secular Democracy@ Moe katza said so!
    ///

    McCain is a traitor and a pure scumbag.


  74. coldwarrior
    74 | February 25, 2013 11:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yup, The Caliphate-Russian War will probably end with Islamic countries ending up radiated.

    the russians dont have hippie 1960′s roe’s.


  75. 75 | February 25, 2013 11:46 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    They actually believe in standing up for their national interests. Something we have not done arguebaly since Gulf War 1.


  76. waldensianspirit
    76 | February 25, 2013 12:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Chris Christie sat next to Michelle Obama at the Governors dinner.

    She is fully exposed as a hypocrite if she didn’t even attempt to steal his french fries!


  77. coldwarrior
    77 | February 25, 2013 12:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They actually believe in standing up for their national interests. Something we have not done arguebaly since Gulf War 1.

    i guess our new national interest to be ‘whore of the caliphate’


  78. 78 | February 25, 2013 12:50 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Perhaps Moe might change his mind when the Mohammedans are about to lop his head off!


  79. Speranza
    79 | February 25, 2013 12:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Chris Christie sat next to Michelle Obama at the Governors dinner.

    He probably tried to swipe her dessert.


  80. 80 | February 25, 2013 12:53 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You know, no one has given consideration to the thought that Christie might run for President as a Democrat. He’s more a Democrat than a Republican anyways, and he is making all kinds of efforts to ingratiate himself with the Dem heirarchy…


  81. brookly red
    81 | February 25, 2013 12:57 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    You know, no one has given consideration to the thought that Christie might run for President as a Democrat. He’s more a Democrat than a Republican anyways, and he is making all kinds of efforts to ingratiate himself with the Dem heirarchy…

    Before he runs he is going to have to explain why he has not investigated where the billions that want missing from the NJ school construction fund under Corzine went too.


  82. 82 | February 25, 2013 1:01 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    i dont think this hippie 1960′s ROE crap is gonna be around next time we need to go in and whack someone.

    I certainly pray to God you are right. War is all about the process of breaking another nations important infrastructure and otherwise valuable stuff and killing their citizens until they surrender. No matter how much your pretend, claim or lie about it, their is no nice, kind or gentle way to kill a healthy human being, and that is what war is all about.

    War is something that should only be employed as an act of national self-defense or last resort measure. It is absolutely not the equivalent on national scales of sending in a SWAT Team.

    Moreover, the winner should never ever pay for or otherwise be engaged in the reconstruction of any nation that they are forced to engage in war against, since to do so is a basic conflict with the very premise of going to war in the first place and can, to amoral or downright evil leaders of shithole nations, be an incentive to force a military conflict upon nations that they have no possible hope of prevailing against.


  83. 83 | February 25, 2013 1:04 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Democrats and low info voters don’t care about things like that.


  84. 84 | February 25, 2013 1:07 pm

    Bashar Assad has only himself to blame for this current predictament. He invited al-Qaeda into Syria to kill Americans in Iraq. Now they are going after him and have turned on their former allies Hizb’Allah. This shows the futility in dealing with the Islamic world. If they turn in each other, they will turn on the Kuffar.

    Assad should have stuck to fixing peoples’ eyesight, because he sucks at geopolitics. His dad and probably his older brother knew that the Alawites are kuffar in the Sunni opinion, and that in the Shia opinion Alawites are an embarrassment.

    I bet it was the Iranians who strongarmed him into letting in al-Q in the first place (and not the Saudis). The Iranians first were able to create another headache for the Americans, and second made themselves indispensible for the Assad family.


  85. 85 | February 25, 2013 1:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yup, The Caliphate-Russian War will probably end with Islamic countries ending up radiated.

    If the Chinese don’t do it first.


  86. brookly red
    86 | February 25, 2013 1:36 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Perhaps Moe might change his mind when the Mohammedans are about to lop his head off!

    it’s closer than you think… http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/muslim-accused-of-beheading-2-christians-in-u-s/


  87. lobo91
    87 | February 25, 2013 1:43 pm

    None of this has anything to do with Islam, anyway. It was all caused by global warming:

    Obama-Linked Think Tank Blames Arab Spring On . . . Global Warming…

    Oh-kay…


  88. brookly red
    88 | February 25, 2013 1:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    None of this has anything to do with Islam, anyway. It was all caused by global warming:

    Obama-Linked Think Tank Blames Arab Spring On . . . Global Warming…

    Oh-kay…

    It has gotten to the point where they can say anything they want and the zombies will believe it…


  89. lobo91
    89 | February 25, 2013 1:50 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Zombies are caused by global warming


  90. 90 | February 25, 2013 1:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It’s worse than that – global warming is caused by global warming!


  91. brookly red
    91 | February 25, 2013 1:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Zombies are caused by global warming

    In an abstract way yes.


  92. brookly red
    92 | February 25, 2013 1:55 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    It’s worse than that — global warming is caused by global warming!

    one of my favorite speeches ever was when Bob Dole that “… we need to go after the root cause of crime… criminals.”


  93. 93 | February 25, 2013 1:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    It’s worse than that — global warming is caused by global warming!

    one of my favorite speeches ever was when Bob Dole that “… we need to go after the root cause of crime… criminals.”

    While amusing, Dole was correct, without criminals, there is no crime. Ergo, criminals are the root cause of crime. :shock:


  94. 94 | February 25, 2013 2:01 pm

    @ Zimriel:

    Yup, I believe you nailed it!


  95. brookly red
    95 | February 25, 2013 2:02 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    It’s worse than that — global warming is caused by global warming!

    one of my favorite speeches ever was when Bob Dole that “… we need to go after the root cause of crime… criminals.”

    While amusing, Dole was correct, without criminals, there is no crime. Ergo, criminals are the root cause of crime.

    exactly! it was brilliant and it is playing out again today, guns don’t cause crime.


  96. 96 | February 25, 2013 2:03 pm

    New Thread.


  97. 97 | February 25, 2013 2:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Christie is Pro-Life and against Gay Marriage so that might be a problem. But as we see with hagel, the Democrats really do not care about Social Issues. They just use it to club Republcians. But you might be onto something. Besides, Christe can always evolve on those issues.


  98. 98 | February 25, 2013 2:05 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yup, America does the bidding of Islam.


  99. 99 | February 25, 2013 2:06 pm

    @ Macker:

    I think he’s just emssing with us.


  100. 100 | February 25, 2013 2:07 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yup!


  101. lobo91
    101 | February 25, 2013 2:07 pm

    It doesn’t matter anyway, because the sequester is going to kill us all, anyway.

    The White House issued a series of state-by-state reports over the weekend showing what’s going to happen.


  102. 102 | February 25, 2013 2:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It doesn’t matter anyway, because the sequester is going to kill us all, anyway.
    The White House issued a series of state-by-state reports over the weekend showing what’s going to happen.

    Wow… What a complete and total load of crap…


  103. lobo91
    103 | February 25, 2013 2:11 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Wow… What a complete and total load of crap…

    Would you expect anything else?


  104. 104 | February 25, 2013 2:12 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    It doesn’t matter anyway, because the sequester is going to kill us all, anyway.
    The White House issued a series of state-by-state reports over the weekend showing what’s going to happen.

    Wow… What a complete and total load of crap…

    Oh, and I should have noted, that about the only thing left out was how if the sequestration goes into effect, aliens from outer space will show up and conquer the earth because we failed to fund Michelle’s dessert budget.


  105. lobo91
    105 | February 25, 2013 2:16 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Oh, and I should have noted, that about the only thing left out was how if the sequestration goes into effect, aliens from outer space will show up and conquer the earth because we failed to fund Michelle’s dessert budget.

    I think that’s in an appendix.


  106. Da_Beerfreak
    106 | February 25, 2013 3:10 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Did you guys see this?

    State Dept. scrambles to salvage Kerry’s meeting with Syrian rebel coalition

    Over the weekend, however, the Syrian Opposition Council — the main umbrella group for the broad array of rebel politicians, clerics and soldiers, many of them Islamists with ties to al-Qaeda and other unsavory networks — announced it was boycotting the session with Kerry in Rome.

    The Country is in the very best of hands…


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