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The media’s ‘Team Hagel’ doing Obama’s dirty work for him

by Speranza ( 150 Comments › )
Filed under Media at February 25th, 2013 - 1:00 pm

Given Hagel’s hard core socially  conservative record, the only  reason I can ascribe to the Obama media’s (a redundancy ) jihad to get him confirmed would be his rather bizarre foreign policy views and his desire to gut the Pentagon.

by Joel B. Pollak

Throughout the fight over Chuck Hagel’s nomination as Secretary of Defense, a devoted group of pro-Hagel journalists has been determined not only to defend Hagel, but to attack his critics and their credibility. They have gone beyond the “normal” mainstream media bias, which for most outlets merely meant ignoring flaws in Hagel’s record and his refusal to disclose key information. “Team Hagel” has even ignored its own scoops

For example, BuzzFeed was the first outlet on Feb. 14 to recover and post the prepared text of a controversial speech that then-Sen. Hagel delivered at Rutgers University in March 2007. (The controversy surrounds remarks allegedly made by Hagel about Israel in the question-and-answer session that followed.) BuzzFeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith immediately took to Twitter to declare: “Nothing eyebrow raising in that prepared text.”

Evidently Smith had not read the speech properly, because he tweeted a few minutes later: “Actually, that ’07 Hagel speech isn’t so innocuous,on a second read. Hagel wanted consulate in Iran, talked cooperation.” For Smith, debunking criticism of Hagel was a higher priority than getting the story right–a story that BuzzFeed itself was the first to have, and could have been the first to break at a critical moment in the debate.

In a similar episode, Politico’s Dylan Byers and Mackenzie Weinger were the first to break the news that a 2008 speech by Hagel to the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) had been recovered and would be released later that day. Byers and Weinger reported, without having viewed the speech for themselves, that there was no newsworthy information in Hagel’s remarks: “the tape comes up clean,” they wrote.

Their sole source for the story was the ADC itself, an organization so anti-Israel that it gave an award to former journalist Helen Thomas after her anti-Jewish views had been exposed, even naming a scholarship after her. Yet when the video was released, it was clear that Byers and MacKenzie were wrong: [.......]

Byers was also wrong on another point: he had suggested, prior to the video’s release, that it was debatable whether Hagel’s remarks had been “formal,” meaning Hagel may  not have misled the Senate by not making the video available. But the video made clear that the speech was formal, even if extemporaneous: Hagel was the keynote speaker, and was given an official introduction, delivering his remarks from the dais of dignitaries.

Likewise, on December 17, Dave Weigel of Slate (falsely) accused the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol of making up Hagel’s infamous remark about the “Jewish lobby” on Capitol Hill. “The quote isn’t merely redacted. It’s partly fabricated,”  [........] However, as he later admitted, he had not checked the accuracy of the quote with the author who had recorded it. It was more important to attack Kristol than to ask what had Hagel said.

Perhaps the most glaring example of Team Hagel’s lack of interest in researching the nominee was another BuzzFeed scoop: namely, that Senate Republicans were focused on former Lebanese prime minister Saad Hariri as one of a handful of worrisome foreign donors to the Atlantic Council, which Hagel chairs. Citing “a senior GOP aide close to the confirmation process” (yes, an anonymous source), BuzzFeed’s Zeke Miller wrote:

[......] But Miller did not report exactly why the Senators were particularly concerned about Hariri or the others.

It turns out that Saad Hariri has been a prominent supporter of Hamas, meeting with the Hamas leadership as prime minister and maintaining public contact with the group since leaving office. In December, Hariri sent a personal representative to a celebration of the 25th anniversary of the anti-Israel terror group in Beirut. It is worth asking why Hagel’s organization would accept funds from such a source. But Team Hagel has not bothered.

The hard work of vetting Hagel has fallen to a few conservative media outlets, which have unearthed a mountain of material on Hagel while Republican leaders prevaricated and major pro-Israel organizations sat on the sidelines. The scale of that evidence is beginning–perhaps belatedly–to weigh on the conscience of Democrats, who once eagerly denounced Hagel as “anti-Israel” and who attacked his “questionable record.”

In 2009, Ira Forman, the chair of Jewish outreach for President Barack Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign, defended Hagel’s appointment to the National Intelligence Advisory Board by stating that he would oppose Hagel’s appointment to any senior policy role: [.......]

The National Jewish Democratic Council declared in 2007 that Hagel “has a lot of questions to answer about his commitment to Israel.” Today, it defends Hagel to the hilt, on the sole grounds that he was selected by President Obama, whose pro-Israel credentials are, it says, “unprecedented” and “unquestionable.” It has not been interested in asking lingering questions about Hagel’s views–nor have the members of Team Hagel.

The point, for Team Hagel, has not been to hold Hagel or the Obama administration to account, but to hold conservative critics of Hagel in contempt. Through prejudice and deliberate neglect, they have given a pass to Hagel and to the rest of the mainstream media. In doing so, they may have helped clear the path for one of the most radical, poorly qualified, and least transparent nominees ever offered the Pentagon’s top job.

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150 Responses to “The media’s ‘Team Hagel’ doing Obama’s dirty work for him”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | February 25, 2013 1:13 pm

    I saw a photo of Hagel the other day -- he looked like a Waffen S.S. officer.


  2. waldensianspirit
    2 | February 25, 2013 1:54 pm

    And the way they are using the “new media”; the rules of sock puppets doesn’t apply to them:
    GOP lawmaker: Obama using fake Twitter messages in fight over gun control

    Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/284679-gop-lawmaker-says-obama-using-fake-people-to-flood-twitter-with-gun-control-messages#ixzz2LwFUNJUs
    Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook


  3. waldensianspirit
    3 | February 25, 2013 1:59 pm

    I wonder if they’ll ever face the Rule of Holes


  4. 4 | February 25, 2013 2:08 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Its OFA.


  5. lobo91
    5 | February 25, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Another of their messages:

    Obama: Spending Is Not “Our Biggest Problem”…

    Speaking to American governors this afternoon, President Obama insisted that spending money wasn’t the federal government’s biggest problem.

    “Folks who think spending really is our biggest problem should be more concerned than anybody about improving our infrastructure right now,” Obama said explaining that the nation’s infrastructure was crumbling. “We’re talking about deferred maintenance here. We know we’re going to have to spend the money. And the longer we wait, the more it’s going to cost.”

    See? The problem is that we aren’t spending enough!


  6. Speranza
    6 | February 25, 2013 2:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Its OFA.

    Yes we see it here on the blog with our favorite troll.


  7. lobo91
    7 | February 25, 2013 2:25 pm

    Of course, Obama doesn’t always like having the media around:

    Video: Most Transparent President In History Removes Press To Take Q&A From Governors…

    “And with that, what I want to do is clear out the press, so we can take some questions.”


  8. 8 | February 25, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I thought the Stimulus was supposed to eb spent on Infrastructure. Oh thats right, it went to OFA and the Cayman Islands.

    The sad part is Obama will get away with this BS.


  9. 9 | February 25, 2013 2:27 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I have nots eem him in a while. Maybe we have fallen off OFA’s radar.


  10. lobo91
    10 | February 25, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The sad part is Obama will get away with this BS.

    I’ve just about reached the point where I don’t care anymore. We clearly no longer have a functioning republic.

    They aren’t going to like the next phase.


  11. darkwords
    11 | February 25, 2013 2:34 pm

    Java by Oracle and PDF by Adobe are software pieces of crap. It seems like every day I am downloading and installing a different version for them.


  12. 12 | February 25, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Just prepare yourself and look out for yours. This is what a dictatorship looks like.


  13. MikeA
    13 | February 25, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Cool. So if I am in debt and spend more than I make, I should just spend the money to fix up my house and buy a new car!!!!


  14. darkwords
    14 | February 25, 2013 2:39 pm

    @ 10 lobo91: I was talking about the economy with a friend this AM. And neither of us are confident in the way the country it headed. We both think a person has to prep for disaster and hold a personal responsibility.

    Though in all likelihood you may never need it. Get meds, water, first aid, some e-rats, guns and ammo stored up for six months. And learn how to grow some of your own food from seeds. should be part of the modern lifestyle. In the northwest, kale, squash, and berries grow well. I’m completely urban with no dirt so I have to make adjustments.


  15. citizen_q
    15 | February 25, 2013 2:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “Folks who think spending really is our biggest problem should be more concerned than anybody about improving our infrastructure right now,” Obama said explaining that the nation’s infrastructure was crumbling. “We’re talking about deferred maintenance here.

    @ Rodan:

    WTF happened to the first near trillion dollars we were grifted of for this same purpose?

    An accounting is in order.

    This story is ready made for an anti-admin ad. Juxtapose it with komrade zero joking about the some of the projects not being quite shovel ready, and maybe some stats on where the money from his first stimulus went.

    There was so much low hanging fruit like this, komrade zero’s own words and actions in the run-up to the election, that it is hard to describe my frustration with the GOP and Romney for attacking.

    How hard would it be to use their own words in context to show the demonrats as sneering condescending elitists contemptuous of the electorate as they rob us blind?


  16. lobo91
    16 | February 25, 2013 2:40 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Java by Oracle and PDF by Adobe are software pieces of crap. It seems like every day I am downloading and installing a different version for them.

    I’ve noticed a problem with Adobe Flash Player lately.

    I think I’ve had to download a new version about 5 times in the past week.


  17. rain of lead
    17 | February 25, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    hey Rodan, you seen RS Mccain’s latest post on his site and I left a link at dod

    RSM is fun when he unleashes


  18. lobo91
    18 | February 25, 2013 2:41 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Cool. So if I am in debt and spend more than I make, I should just spend the money to fix up my house and buy a new car!!!!

    And finance it all with a home equity loan, so that you’re paying for it over 30 years.


  19. lobo91
    19 | February 25, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    This story is ready made for an anti-admin ad. Juxtapose it with komrade zero joking about the some of the projects not being quite shovel ready, and maybe some stats on where the money from his first stimulus went.

    The problem is, nobody knows where the money went.


  20. 20 | February 25, 2013 2:43 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Cool. So if I am in debt and spend more than I make, I should just spend the money to fix up my house and buy a new car!!!!

    Exactly! You do not have a debt probvlem. You need a new car. Obama said so!

    :lol:


  21. 21 | February 25, 2013 2:44 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    @ lobo91:

    I bet OFA got a good chunk of it!


  22. 22 | February 25, 2013 2:44 pm

    Durka durka heh heh heh…. For those of you who might have missed this late last night…

    Obama the great destroyer…


  23. 23 | February 25, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    I’m checking it out as we speak.


  24. darkwords
    24 | February 25, 2013 2:46 pm

    @ 12 Rodan: I’m a loner but success in an Obama disaster is probably done by being a member of a conservative gun rights group. One will need to be in an informal militia type of structure that can communicate and survive.

    Civil unrest in just the Rodney King riots in Seattle was ignorant young black men feeling a need to threaten people based on their skin color. The WTO riots in seattle and the OWS movement was a need by youth to violently oppose anything not them. They were all bullies and takers. Had nothing to give.

    That energy is all still there and just looking for a trigger point. In the wrong combinations it will become a game of death. Where the unprepared will become just useless mortality statistics everyone forgets about a few months later.


  25. brookly red
    25 | February 25, 2013 2:46 pm

    and speaking of Hagel…http://freebeacon.com/farrakhan-endorses-hagel/


  26. citizen_q
    26 | February 25, 2013 2:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    This story is ready made for an anti-admin ad. Juxtapose it with komrade zero joking about the some of the projects not being quite shovel ready, and maybe some stats on where the money from his first stimulus went.
    The problem is, nobody knows where the money went.

    A flushing toilet would then be an appropriate visual.

    The admin don’t like it, they can fess up the numbers.


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | February 25, 2013 2:48 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    that it is hard to describe my frustration with the GOP and Romney for attacking.

    romney’s peeps in the investment world are rollin in stimulus money. i told yinz he was a shyster.


  28. darkwords
    28 | February 25, 2013 2:49 pm

    @ citizen_q: That trillion dollar was spent on good times. Party party party. Maybe 10 percent went to investments of which most failed. The problem with giving other peoples money to someone who has no experience in spending it and likes to avoid accountability.


  29. lobo91
    29 | February 25, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Exactly! You do not have a debt probvlem. You need a new car. Obama said so!

    That’s always his answer when someone asks about gas prices.

    If you can’t afford to put gas in your car, I’m not sure how you’re supposed to pay for a new one.


  30. 30 | February 25, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Just prepare yourself. Things do not always go as planned.


  31. 31 | February 25, 2013 2:54 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That’s always his answer when someone asks about gas prices.

    Except when its a Republcian president. Then its the Oil companeis are in cahoots with the White House.


  32. taxfreekiller
    32 | February 25, 2013 2:55 pm

    Every day the msm becomes a greater and greater threat to all mankind.

    Evil and growing more so, yet unaware of the level of their own evil as they have sunk past their own understanding of right and wrong.

    So, wrong is all they know now.


  33. 33 | February 25, 2013 2:55 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Plus Karl Rove made out like a bandit with his 400 Million, that we all know he got a cut. I am starting to think this is all for show.


  34. 34 | February 25, 2013 2:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I am starting to think this is all for show.

    Well duh…


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    35 | February 25, 2013 2:58 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Java by Oracle and PDF by Adobe are software pieces of crap. It seems like every day I am downloading and installing a different version for them.

    Obama’s on the downlow and you’re on the download. What’s the problem?
    ////


  36. lobo91
    37 | February 25, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    If this were a conservative group, the IRS would have revoked its tax-exempt status by now.


  37. brookly red
    38 | February 25, 2013 3:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    White House Spends Over 4 Minutes Straining To Say New OFA Is Somehow An “Independent” Organization Even Though It’s Selling Access To Obama…

    even the media is calling bullshit http://freebeacon.com/chuck-todd-on-ofa-fundraising-this-just-looks-bad/


  38. 39 | February 25, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ lobo91:

    There would be audits and call for criminal charges.


  39. lobo91
    40 | February 25, 2013 3:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    There would be audits and call for criminal charges.

    Obama can’t be a criminal, though.

    He is the law, according to them.


  40. 41 | February 25, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    This is a soft dictatorship.


  41. 42 | February 25, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    He is a god to them.


  42. brookly red
    43 | February 25, 2013 3:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:

    This is a soft dictatorship.

    but only because he does not have the backing of the military


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    44 | February 25, 2013 3:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If this were a conservative group, the IRS would have revoked its tax-exempt status by now.

    Obama and Co. have learned that as long as you are blatantly illegal across the board, without apology, you can run amok and the law be damned.


  44. lobo91
    45 | February 25, 2013 3:05 pm


  45. 46 | February 25, 2013 3:06 pm

    People really need a life.

    Angry parents are up in arms over a “repulsive” cellphone app commercial that they say promotes bestiality.

    One Million Moms wants auto insurance firm Geico to pull its latest TV campaign in which a woman appears to be flirting with a pig.

    The conservative Christian group that monitors children’s programming issued a statement to condemn the clip.


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    47 | February 25, 2013 3:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ taxfreekiller:

    This is a soft dictatorship.

    but only because he does not have the backing of the military

    Yet.

    It appears that he is busily purging the military of those who might kick over taking an oath of personal loyalty to the Furor.


  47. 48 | February 25, 2013 3:06 pm

    @ brookly red:

    That may not last either.


  48. lobo91
    49 | February 25, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Personally, I find the Progressive ads much more repulsive, because they don’t tell potential customers that their money is going to be used to fund left-wing causes.


  49. 50 | February 25, 2013 3:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Personally, I find the Progressive ads much more repulsive, because they don’t tell potential customers that their money is going to be used to fund left-wing causes.

    That I agree with you. After all, its named Progressive Insurance for a reason!


  50. brookly red
    51 | February 25, 2013 3:10 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ Rodan:

    he may place cronies with lots of in positions of power but the grunts will never go for it


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    52 | February 25, 2013 3:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    he may place cronies with lots of in positions of power but the grunts will never go for it

    I think that you are assuming a great deal too much. It is very difficult for someone low down on the chain of command to stand up and tell his superiors that he will not obey their orders.


  52. brookly red
    53 | February 25, 2013 3:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    he may place cronies with lots of in positions of power but the grunts will never go for it

    I think that you are assuming a great deal too much. It is very difficult for someone low down on the chain of command to stand up and tell his superiors that he will not obey their orders.

    I am assuming that 99.9% of American soldiers would not fire on other Americans if ordered to do so.


  53. 54 | February 25, 2013 3:17 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I am assuming that 99.9% of American soldiers would not fire on other Americans if ordered to do so.

    Don’t be so sure.


  54. lobo91
    55 | February 25, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I am assuming that 99.9% of American soldiers would not fire on other Americans if ordered to do so.

    I doubt that it’s actually 99.9%, but the vast majority wouldn’t.


  55. brookly red
    56 | February 25, 2013 3:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I am assuming that 99.9% of American soldiers would not fire on other Americans if ordered to do so.

    Don’t be so sure.

    That and faith in God are all I have.


  56. lobo91
    57 | February 25, 2013 3:21 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I think that you are assuming a great deal too much. It is very difficult for someone low down on the chain of command to stand up and tell his superiors that he will not obey their orders.

    I don’t think that it would go that far down the chain of command.


  57. darkwords
    58 | February 25, 2013 3:21 pm

    @ 46 Rodan: Meh, I just assumed the pig was a metaphor for Obama. I didn’t attach the thought to bestiality until a million moms brought it up. Then I think that is where their minds are at. Then probably all these cartoon cats and dogs represent the same thing to them.

    How about Mr Ed or those smart budweiser clydedales who market during the superbowl? We have a county here next to use where people keep getting caught trying to have sex with horses.


  58. darkwords
    59 | February 25, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ 53 brookly red: Well in my basic camp the chain of command was God, Country, and the service. I was not to question anything flowing down. Just execute the order to the best of my abilities. And the POTUS whoever he/she was was the Chief order giver.

    If as a teenage I had to fire on my family I might question the order, but otherwise probably not. Some type of consciousness would have to come to me through the chain of command.


  59. 60 | February 25, 2013 3:28 pm

    @ darkwords:

    The Million Moms need to get a life.


  60. Speranza
    61 | February 25, 2013 3:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    People really need a life.
    Angry parents are up in arms over a “repulsive” cellphone app commercial that they say promotes bestiality.
    One Million Moms wants auto insurance firm Geico to pull its latest TV campaign in which a woman appears to be flirting with a pig.
    The conservative Christian group that monitors children’s programming issued a statement to condemn the clip.

    Good grief the “million moms” need to chill out.
    Santorum fans.


  61. lobo91
    62 | February 25, 2013 3:30 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Well in my basic camp the chain of command was God, Country, and the service. I was not to question anything flowing down. Just execute the order to the best of my abilities. And the POTUS whoever he/she was was the Chief order giver.

    I’m not sure what military you served in, but if it was ours, you were poorly trained.

    The Nuremberg defense doesn’t work anymore.


  62. darkwords
    63 | February 25, 2013 3:34 pm

    @ 60 Rodan:
    I suppose one could make a point on that one spot because it was a dating spot. But all those Geico animal commercials are about animals doing human things. I did think the cavemen ones were actually racist in they manner they dialogued with each other. Now if they show the pig in bed smoking a cigarette, I’ll agree with them.


  63. 64 | February 25, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Why do I have the suspicions that this group does not have many “moms.”


  64. Speranza
    65 | February 25, 2013 3:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Why do I have the suspicions that this group does not have many “moms.”

    It sounds so stupid that I wonder if they are Democratic “plants”.


  65. 66 | February 25, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ darkwords:

    I think its much ado about nothing.


  66. 67 | February 25, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Democrat plants or Santorum Fans. They are one in the same. I am convinced Santorum is a Democrat operative.


  67. Speranza
    68 | February 25, 2013 3:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Democrat plants or Santorum Fans. They are one in the same. I am convinced Santorum is a Democrat operative.

    That’s a bit of a stretch, however the mindset his supporters have (see Michelle Malkin) is the type that stands for defeat as long as they remain pure.


  68. heysoos
    69 | February 25, 2013 3:58 pm

    maybe Buzz is right about the GOP taking a fall..where are they?
    they are letting the donks shit all over them with hardly a peep…I surf the news and everyday some twit says more out of this world crapola with no opposition….fucking pols, the worst people in the world


  69. coldwarrior
    70 | February 25, 2013 4:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    The Million Moms need to get a life.

    the million moms need to get laid and get their mind out of the gutter.


  70. Bumr50
    71 | February 25, 2013 4:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s ridiculous. It’s a joke.

    Kind of goes along with M.Malkin.

    @ Speranza:

    I’ve found Twitchy to be an excellent resource, and whenever she or her staff gets preachy, the regulars there usually let her have it.

    For instance:

    Joan Rivers makes gay joke about John Travolta

    Look at the response.

    Also see:

    The Right’s Reefer Madness

    Again, not the content, but the response.

    People are standing up for the kind of government they want.

    I’m convinced that MOVING towards TRUE (both emphasized for different reasons) libertarianism is the way to pick a lot of votes.


  71. Bumr50
    72 | February 25, 2013 4:05 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I’ll do it!

    //////////


  72. brookly red
    73 | February 25, 2013 4:05 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Why do I have the suspicions that this group does not have many “moms.”

    It sounds so stupid that I wonder if they are Democratic “plants”.

    more likely “Progressive” insurance plants :)


  73. Speranza
    74 | February 25, 2013 4:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Why do I have the suspicions that this group does not have many “moms.”
    It sounds so stupid that I wonder if they are Democratic “plants”.

    more likely “Progressive” insurance plants

    The most annoying ads on TV -- “Flo” played by Stephanie Courtney for “Progressive”.


  74. brookly red
    75 | February 25, 2013 4:08 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    The Million Moms need to get a life.

    the million moms need to get laid and get their mind out of the gutter.

    /their just pissed because flirting with a pig was what got them into this predicament in the first place :)


  75. 76 | February 25, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Imagine a Santorum vs. Cuomo race? That would be a nightmare. Either way, a Totalitarian wins.


  76. Speranza
    78 | February 25, 2013 4:11 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    I do enjoy Twitchy.


  77. Speranza
    79 | February 25, 2013 4:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Imagine a Santorum vs. Cuomo race? That would be a nightmare. Either way, a Totalitarian wins.

    Good grief that would make me reach for a sharp straight razor (maybe not).


  78. 80 | February 25, 2013 4:11 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ darkwords:
    The Million Moms need to get a life.

    the million moms need to get laid and get their mind out of the gutter.

    Good grief, even Rock Stars have their physical limitations ya know… :twisted:


  79. 81 | February 25, 2013 4:12 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Many “Conservatives” are just Progressives of a different stripe.


  80. 82 | February 25, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Either way America would be done in by either of those 2.


  81. Bumr50
    83 | February 25, 2013 4:14 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I got dibs on the million moms, rockstar…!!;-)

    @ Bumr50:


  82. heysoos
    84 | February 25, 2013 4:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Many “Conservatives” are just Progressives of a different stripe.

    whatever handle you hang on them, they are all living large on our money, then turn around and knife us in the back…all of them


  83. 85 | February 25, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yup.


  84. 86 | February 25, 2013 4:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    While I agree some people do need to get a life that ad is seriously repulsive. But hey- if they think they can sell insurance by making people barf its on them.


  85. 87 | February 25, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Hey now! The clydedales didn’t hint they wanted some nookie!! LOL!


  86. Bumr50
    88 | February 25, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ Rodan:

    @ Speranza:

    I believe that smart Dems are actually looking FOR a “Republican” victory in 2016.

    I think that they’d like to give the appearance of a balanced electorate approving their agenda.


  87. 89 | February 25, 2013 4:25 pm

    Ok. I am not a santorum fan or a “million mom”. But neither has anything to do with thinking some chick that wants to fuck a pig is disgusting.

    That isn’t the animal “doing people things” like driving a car or making their kids do homework -- it is a chick that wants to fuck a pig.

    Disgusting.

    So shoot me.


  88. coldwarrior
    90 | February 25, 2013 4:26 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    Hey now! The clydedales didn’t hint they wanted some nookie!! LOL!

    neither did the pig.

    :lol:


  89. 91 | February 25, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Bless his heart. He just wants to play … SPACE NINJAS!! lol


  90. heysoos
    92 | February 25, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ mskelly:
    that’s no pig, that’s my wife!


  91. Bumr50
    93 | February 25, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ mskelly:

    It’s gross, for sure.

    A free society can respond as it will.

    Progressive Insurance runs more ads than anyone on TV, and I’m pretty sure they’re just flinging poo on the wall to see what will stick.

    IMO, best response is to ignore it and NEVER patronize Progressive.

    “People making a big deal about it” was probably one of the reasons they ran it.

    Don’t buy Progressive Insurance.

    Drawing MORE attention to the disgusting ad is what the ad guys want.


  92. coldwarrior
    94 | February 25, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ mskelly:
    i just thought the ad was pretty stupid. not as good as the ‘mayhem ads’.


  93. 95 | February 25, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ heysoos:

    *throws tomatoes*

    *corn*

    oh heck *some oranges too*


  94. 96 | February 25, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    I’m with ya on that.

    I just wanted to point out that it’s not only uptight, straight-laced, santorum fan soccer moms that find the ad gross.


  95. 97 | February 25, 2013 4:33 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    That idjit follows me around!


  96. coldwarrior
    98 | February 25, 2013 4:34 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Bless his heart. He just wants to play … SPACE NINJAS!! lol

    he is just happy he isnt bbq.


  97. heysoos
    99 | February 25, 2013 4:35 pm

    I refuse to use the NYC subway…some kind of bad mojo down there


  98. coldwarrior
    100 | February 25, 2013 4:38 pm

    mskelly wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    That idjit follows me around!

    the mayhem ads are taken from actual cases.

    i like the farmer’s insurance ads as well. the dude who plays the prof cracks me up.


  99. 101 | February 25, 2013 4:38 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Nah, I think the Dems will go for the kill in 2016. They are gouing to run Hillary it seems. She probably will pick Deval patrick as her VP. It will not matter who the Republcians put up, Bill Clinton, Obama, OFA and Hillary will crush anything the GOP throws at her.

    If Hillary runs, expect many big name Republcians to take a pass.


  100. 102 | February 25, 2013 4:39 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I refuse to use the NYC subway…some kind of bad mojo down there

    NOOOO!!! REALLY???

    Who woulda thought…


  101. Bumr50
    103 | February 25, 2013 4:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ mskelly:
    i just thought the ad was pretty stupid. not as good as the ‘mayhem ads’.

    I was Mayhem for Halloween. My receding hairline didn’t help.

    I especially like the teenage girl whose BFF kissed her crush and the dog with the “awesome bone.”

    Classic.


  102. 104 | February 25, 2013 4:39 pm

    @ mskelly:

    The answer is to change the channel.


  103. coldwarrior
    105 | February 25, 2013 4:41 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    the bff ad is the funniest.


  104. Bumr50
    106 | February 25, 2013 4:42 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Not if I were a prog.

    I’d be the biggest Chris Christie fanboy in the world.


  105. heysoos
    107 | February 25, 2013 4:42 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ mskelly:
    i just thought the ad was pretty stupid. not as good as the ‘mayhem ads’.

    I was Mayhem for Halloween. My receding hairline didn’t help.
    I especially like the teenage girl whose BFF kissed her crush and the dog with the “awesome bone.”
    Classic.

    I liked the one where he’s mowing gravel, knocking the shit out of the house


  106. coldwarrior
    108 | February 25, 2013 4:42 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    I was Mayhem for Halloween.

    great idea!

    i usually pass out candy wearing a suit and a richard nixon mask.


  107. coldwarrior
    109 | February 25, 2013 4:43 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I liked the one where he’s mowing gravel, knocking the shit out of the house

    “sorry Rrrrrobert….”

    :lol:


  108. 110 | February 25, 2013 4:45 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    Hillary will destroy Fat boy. If its Hillary vs. Fat Boy I am voting Libertarian. I already have decalred I will vote Libertarian in Florida’s 2014 elections.


  109. Bumr50
    111 | February 25, 2013 4:45 pm

    @ heysoos:

    “This is what five dollars an hour gets you.”

    LOVE IT.


  110. 112 | February 25, 2013 4:45 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    I was Mayhem for Halloween.
    great idea!
    i usually pass out candy wearing a suit and a richard nixon mask.

    What? Going old skool when you have Obama now terrorizing America?


  111. coldwarrior
    113 | February 25, 2013 4:49 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    What? Going old skool when you have Obama now terrorizing America?

    jeeze! i dont want anyone takin a shot at me!


  112. coldwarrior
    114 | February 25, 2013 4:50 pm

    On the eve of his first trip abroad, John Kerry invented the Central Asian country of “Kyrzakhstan.” He was attempting to praise U.S. diplomats’ work in emerging democracies in the region, and said “they support democratic institutions in Kyrzakhstan and Georgia.” Unfortunately, the secretary of state seems to have conflated Kyrgyzstan, one of the U.S.’s allies in the War on Terror, with Kazakhstan, its northern neighbor.

    remember how relentless the press was against W when he couldnt name the paki prime minister?


  113. lobo91
    115 | February 25, 2013 4:50 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    What? Going old skool when you have Obama now terrorizing America?

    We’re all gonna die!!!

    White House Trots Out Big Sis To Warn Of Terror Attacks If Sequester Isn’t Cancelled…


  114. heysoos
    116 | February 25, 2013 4:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    On the eve of his first trip abroad, John Kerry invented the Central Asian country of “Kyrzakhstan.” He was attempting to praise U.S. diplomats’ work in emerging democracies in the region, and said “they support democratic institutions in Kyrzakhstan and Georgia.” Unfortunately, the secretary of state seems to have conflated Kyrgyzstan, one of the U.S.’s allies in the War on Terror, with Kazakhstan, its northern neighbor.
    remember how relentless the press was against W when he couldnt name the paki prime minister?

    I don’t get it…there is a Kazakhstan…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan


  115. coldwarrior
    117 | February 25, 2013 4:56 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I don’t get it…there is a Kazakhstan…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan

    there sure is.

    there is no kyrzakstan tho.


  116. Da_Beerfreak
    118 | February 25, 2013 4:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    What? Going old skool when you have Obama now terrorizing America?

    We’re all gonna die!!!

    White House Trots Out Big Sis To Warn Of Terror Attacks If Sequester Isn’t Cancelled…

    I really doubt we could be that lucky…


  117. heysoos
    119 | February 25, 2013 4:58 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I don’t get it…there is a Kazakhstan…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan
    there sure is.
    there is no kyrzakstan tho.

    tongue twister countries all look the same to me


  118. brookly red
    120 | February 25, 2013 5:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    What? Going old skool when you have Obama now terrorizing America?

    We’re all gonna die!!!

    White House Trots Out Big Sis To Warn Of Terror Attacks If Sequester Isn’t Cancelled…

    typical Chicago protection racket…


  119. lobo91
    121 | February 25, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ heysoos:

    tongue twister countries all look the same to me

    You’re not Secretary of State, though.


  120. heysoos
    122 | February 25, 2013 5:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    tongue twister countries all look the same to me
    You’re not Secretary of State, though.

    but I should be, eh?….
    I’ll get a hair cut and do my nails


  121. lobo91
    123 | February 25, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ brookly red:

    As if DHS has ever prevented a terrorist attack, anyway.


  122. brookly red
    124 | February 25, 2013 5:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    tongue twister countries all look the same to me

    You’re not Secretary of State, though.

    you know me and heysoos don’t always get along but I gotta say he would make a good Secretary of State and unlike Kerry we actually know he is on our side.


  123. 125 | February 25, 2013 5:04 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    What? Going old skool when you have Obama now terrorizing America?
    jeeze! i dont want anyone takin a shot at me!

    So, even the 5 and 6 year old in your neighborhood are packin? :twisted: :oops: :shock:


  124. brookly red
    126 | February 25, 2013 5:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    As if DHS has ever prevented a terrorist attack, anyway.

    well now the troofers have something to worry about…


  125. heysoos
    127 | February 25, 2013 5:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    tongue twister countries all look the same to me
    You’re not Secretary of State, though.

    you know me and heysoos don’t always get along but I gotta say he would make a good Secretary of State and unlike Kerry we actually know he is on our side.

    check’s in the mail bro


  126. coldwarrior
    128 | February 25, 2013 5:06 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    What? Going old skool when you have Obama now terrorizing America?
    jeeze! i dont want anyone takin a shot at me!

    So, even the 5 and 6 year old in your neighborhood are packin?

    their parents are and its pretty dark red round these parts.


  127. brookly red
    129 | February 25, 2013 5:07 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    What? Going old skool when you have Obama now terrorizing America?
    jeeze! i dont want anyone takin a shot at me!

    So, even the 5 and 6 year old in your neighborhood are packin?

    you want my lunch money? Blam! Blam!


  128. heysoos
    130 | February 25, 2013 5:09 pm

    wow, Amarillio got pasted with 17in of snow driven by 70mph winds…that’s the next town over from sunny, mild ABQ…300mi away


  129. 131 | February 25, 2013 5:14 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    wow, Amarillio got pasted with 17in of snow driven by 70mph winds…that’s the next town over from sunny, mild ABQ…300mi away

    Hmmm, sound like the making of a catch song… Amarillo by Snow Storm…. where’s that Buzz at when you need him… :razz:


  130. heysoos
    132 | February 25, 2013 5:16 pm

    half way between Amarillo and Lubbock in the Texas panhandle is one of the flattest places on Earth, the famed Llano Estacado, Comancheria…factoid, win a drink


  131. lobo91
    133 | February 25, 2013 5:17 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I don’t know how many times I’ve driven through Amarillo over the years, and I can’t recall ever having good weather there.

    40-50 mph winds are pretty much a daily occurence there.


  132. heysoos
    134 | February 25, 2013 5:19 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    wow, Amarillio got pasted with 17in of snow driven by 70mph winds…that’s the next town over from sunny, mild ABQ…300mi away

    Hmmm, sound like the making of a catch song… Amarillo by Snow Storm…. where’s that Buzz at when you need him…

    for that area, it’s a twice a lifetime storm…there will be song and myth


  133. lobo91
    135 | February 25, 2013 5:20 pm

    It’s nice here today.

    35 degrees and sunny. Leia was out on the deck working on her tan.


  134. taxfreekiller
    136 | February 25, 2013 5:23 pm

    Up there amarillo , dumas dalhart etal,

    Canadian River bottom, the XIT Ranch.

    Grandad and great grandad would hire without anything but evidence that a person has worked two winters in the Canadia River Bottoms.

    Said, if you can live two winters in that dam place you deserve a job in the real world.


  135. heysoos
    137 | February 25, 2013 5:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I don’t know how many times I’ve driven through Amarillo over the years, and I can’t recall ever having good weather there.
    40-50 mph winds are pretty much a daily occurence there.

    yeah, that is some very harsh country…I go up that way to Chicago and MI…and I’ve gone down the panhandle and cut across back to NM…how people can live out there is beyond me…not a soul lived on the Llano til wind turbines were invented to pump water…the Spanish called it the Staked Plains because you could not navigate the land without some sort of physical markers…mighty tough country


  136. lobo91
    138 | February 25, 2013 5:25 pm

    Barf alert:

    Mooch: Hollywood Does “Vitally Important Work”…

    Unlike the military personnel who were standing behind her, who mostly just serve as campaign props.
    //


  137. 139 | February 25, 2013 5:25 pm

    @ mskelly:

    It’s just a woman that wants to fuck a pig. It’s not like the pig is a Democrat… 8O


  138. heysoos
    140 | February 25, 2013 5:26 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:
    does the XIT still exist?…I believe it was one of the biggest cattle ranches ever, like a third of the panhandle?…I may have to google it


  139. lobo91
    141 | February 25, 2013 5:27 pm

    @ heysoos:

    the Spanish called it the Staked Plains because you could not navigate the land without some sort of physical markers

    Now you can navigate by the Stuckeys…
    //


  140. lobo91
    142 | February 25, 2013 5:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ mskelly:
    It’s just a woman that wants to fuck a pig. It’s not like the pig is a Democrat…

    The woman undoubtedly was, though.


  141. heysoos
    143 | February 25, 2013 5:28 pm

    the famed XIT…3 million acres…yikes, I love that stuff
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XIT_Ranch


  142. 144 | February 25, 2013 5:28 pm

    New Thread


  143. heysoos
    145 | February 25, 2013 5:29 pm

    @ lobo91:
    right, good one


  144. 146 | February 25, 2013 5:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Which explains the pig’s lack of interest…


  145. brookly red
    147 | February 25, 2013 5:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Barf alert:

    Mooch: Hollywood Does “Vitally Important Work”…

    Unlike the military personnel who were standing behind her, who mostly just serve as campaign props.
    //

    what a total disgrace she is.


  146. lobo91
    148 | February 25, 2013 5:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Which explains the pig’s lack of interest…

    Yup


  147. heysoos
    149 | February 25, 2013 5:31 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Barf alert:
    Mooch: Hollywood Does “Vitally Important Work”…
    Unlike the military personnel who were standing behind her, who mostly just serve as campaign props.
    //

    what a total disgrace she is.

    pigs do not understand the concept of disgrace


  148. Speranza
    150 | February 25, 2013 6:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Barf alert:
    Mooch: Hollywood Does “Vitally Important Work”…
    Unlike the military personnel who were standing behind her, who mostly just serve as campaign props.
    //
    what a total disgrace she is.

    pigs do not understand the concept of disgrace

    Because they are not halal. /


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