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The world’s most persecuted religion

by Speranza ( 100 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, Christianity, Dhimmitude, Islam, Islamists, Israel, Judaism at February 27th, 2013 - 7:30 am

She makes a good point – millions of Christians in Egypt, Syria, and Iraq would love to flee but have no where to go.

by Evelyn Gordon

In recent months, a new consensus has emerged: For the first time in millennia, Judaism has lost its title as the world’s most persecuted religion; today, that dubious honor goes to Christianity. “Christians are targeted more than any other body of believers,” wrote Rupert Shortt in a 54-page report for the London-based Civitas institute in December, which meticulously documented their persecution on a country-by-country basis. Even politicians have begun grasping this fact: German Chancellor Angela Merkel publicly deemed Christianity “the most persecuted religion in the world” in November. In short, as one commentator put it last week, Christians have become the new Jews.

There are two reasons why Christianity has displaced Judaism as the world’s most persecuted religion. One, obviously, is increased persecution of Christians, which stems largely from the rise of radical Islam: Though non-Islamic countries like China also repress Christians, only radical Islamists kill them wholesale. The other is that today, Jews face less persecution than ever before in history. And that is entirely due to the existence of the State of Israel.

Were hundreds of thousands of Jews still scattered throughout the Islamic world, as was true a century ago, they would assuredly face persecution no less severe than Christians do. But they aren’t, because most have relocated to Israel. [......]

Many Christians, too, might like to leave places like Egypt or Iraq. But unlike the Jews, they have nowhere to go: No country on earth will automatically open its doors for them–with no questions asked and no numerical limitations–the way Israel does for Jews. And still less would any country do so for Jews if Israel didn’t exist.

A decade ago, at the height of the intifada, a fellow Israeli complained to me that Israel had failed in its mission to be a safe haven for Jews. [.....]

Technically, she’s correct: A Jew in Israel is far more likely to be killed just because he is Jewish than a Jew in Europe or North America. What she failed to grasp is that this is precisely the measure of Israel’s success: Israel today is the most dangerous place to be a Jew because any Jew living someplace more dangerous can relocate to Israel instead–and almost all of them have. In short, the fact that almost no Jews today live someplace more dangerous than Israel is proof positive of Israel’s success as a haven.

[......] If Israel didn’t exist, Judaism would still top the list of the world’s most persecuted religions, and Jews would be slaughtered throughout the Islamic world just as their Christian brethren are today. And nobody who cares about the Jewish people–or about saving human lives in general–could truly think that alternative is preferable.

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  1. RIX
    1 | February 27, 2013 7:53 am

    Good morning. This article makes a strong point, Christians
    are good targets of opportunity for Muslims.
    Clinton set a real bad precedent siding with Muslims against the
    Christian Serbs.


  2. 2 | February 27, 2013 8:05 am

    It’s not just Islam that is targeting Christianity. It’s also the secular leftists in the western world. Where else can you read diatribes against Christians in the press, have religious symbols taken down as an “offense” to one group or another, and their beliefs mocked on a regular basis. Now in the western world they aren’t physically persecuted like in other places, so far. All the verbal abuse they are receiving though does tend to drain them of energy and drive.


  3. 3 | February 27, 2013 8:07 am

    @ RIX:

    I was against the war on Serbia when it happened, though that was more a matter of I was against it because Clinton was for it. Clinton was an abyssmal President who was fortunate enough to be Preident during relatively good economic times (courtesy of Ronald Reagan and a stock market bubble). His foreign policy sucked, and his domestic policy was capstoned by the Waco Massacre. He only won re-election because the Republicans chose the weakest candidate to run against him. Dole was awful, though not wquite as bad maybe as McCain. The Republicans are good at picking losers. This does not bode well for 2016, though we have a stable full of star power, it is all Tea PArty related, so you know the Party MAndarins will be against them from the get go.


  4. 4 | February 27, 2013 8:10 am

    In our own country, anti-Semites still tends to hide themselves in a certain amount of shame since overt Jew hared is still stigmatic. Anti-Christians, on the other hand, revel in their “enlightenment”, much of it centered around the “entertainment” industry. Never in history have Jews and Christians shared so much common cause.


  5. 5 | February 27, 2013 8:25 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Anti-Zionists are anti-Semites. Anti-Zionism is just the “respectable” cloak that they wear. You don’t see many of them where I live, but you see them in spades in the Northeast and Left Coast. They are popular on University campuses, too.


  6. RIX
    6 | February 27, 2013 8:40 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Clinton went to war in the Balkans because he had a chubby
    intern problem.
    Funny how anti-war Bill & Hillary got into it.


  7. Speranza
    7 | February 27, 2013 8:43 am

    RIX wrote:

    Good morning. This article makes a strong point, Christians
    are good targets of opportunity for Muslims.
    Clinton set a real bad precedent siding with Muslims against the
    Christian Serbs.

    It was a cynical move on Horndog Bill’s part.


  8. Speranza
    8 | February 27, 2013 8:44 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Anti-Zionists are anti-Semites. Anti-Zionism is just the “respectable” cloak that they wear.

    True. In The Middle East, Zionists and Jews are interchangeable.


  9. 9 | February 27, 2013 8:46 am

    @ RIX:

    Yep Wag the Dog, and the Republicans let him get away with it. Though I don’t know how much they could have done to stop it. Too, there is a reflexive move on the part of Republicans to support the military no matter what, and Clinton was able to play on that. While I understand the sentiment (and never disrespect the troops), we have to hold reign over the executive branch. That is what the War Powers Act is supposed to do, but Obama showed us in Libya how much the War Powers Act is worth against a Democrat President.


  10. Moe Katz
    10 | February 27, 2013 8:47 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Never in history have Jews and Christians shared so much common cause.

    The paradox, though, is that the conservative Jews and Christians who hold their faith quite literally are incapable of an ecumenical attitude, because each believe they are in possession of Truth. The alliance requires a lot of doublethink to keep it going.


  11. Moe Katz
    11 | February 27, 2013 8:49 am

    Speranza wrote:

    True. In The Middle East, Zionists and Jews are interchangeable.

    Except for a smattering of extreme lefty anti-Zionists in the universities and a few anti-Zionist haredim.


  12. citizen_q
    12 | February 27, 2013 8:52 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Anti-Zionists are anti-Semites. Anti-Zionism is just the “respectable” cloak that they wear.
    True. In The Middle East, Zionists and Jews are interchangeable.

    I remember watching a interview with a paleosimian terrorist discussing why he tried to commit mass murder, and what he hoped to accomplish. I don’t know a-rab-ick, but I could pick out the word yahuda which the translator “helpfully” translated as Israeli.


  13. citizen_q
    13 | February 27, 2013 9:00 am

    @ Speranza:
    @ Moe Katz:
    Given the contexts I usually hear the word Zionist, I understand it as code for Jew. They may be primarily referring to Jews in Israel, but I understand secondarily they often mean all Jews. The codeword Zionist is cover in the unlikely event they are ever called out on their Jew hatred.

    I don’t think this is limited to the middle east either.

    Just my opinion.


  14. RIX
    14 | February 27, 2013 9:01 am

    It was a cynical move on Horndog Bill’s part.@ Speranza:

    It was nothing but a diversion.


  15. RIX
    15 | February 27, 2013 9:03 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yeah, Clinton knew that he could count on good will
    toward the troops.
    The irony is that as a young man, Clinton had disdain.


  16. Moe Katz
    16 | February 27, 2013 9:04 am

    @ citizen_q:
    Sure. Antisemites conflate the two, though they sometimes point to rare, extremely deviant anti-Zionist Jews like the Neturei Karta as examples of ‘good Jews,’ in order to absolve themselves of their antisemitism.


  17. Moe Katz
    17 | February 27, 2013 9:06 am

    RIX wrote:

    Clinton had disdain

    Monica had disdain, it was on her dress.


  18. 18 | February 27, 2013 9:14 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    In our own country, anti-Semites still tends to hide themselves in a certain amount of shame since overt Jew hared is still stigmatic. Anti-Christians, on the other hand, revel in their “enlightenment”, much of it centered around the “entertainment” industry. Never in history have Jews and Christians shared so much common cause.

    The sad part is most Conservatives many of whom claim to be Christians do not care about their co-religionists in the Middle East.


  19. 19 | February 27, 2013 9:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    His foreign policy sucked

    Yup, he bombed the Serbs and gave China military technology.


  20. RIX
    20 | February 27, 2013 9:18 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Clinton had disdain

    Monica had disdain, it was on her dress.

    That was quite an episode.


  21. 21 | February 27, 2013 9:22 am

    @ Speranza:

    Itw as worse than that. He did it to please Saudi Arabia and make nice with Iran. The Serbs in 95 had AL-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iranian Revolutionary Guards and the Bosnians on the verge of defeat. Then the US armed the Neo-Utashe Croats and bombed Serb positions in Bosnia.

    To me that was a national disgrace and a shame on American honor.


  22. Moe Katz
    22 | February 27, 2013 9:24 am

    Rodan wrote:

    The sad part is most Conservatives many of whom claim to be Christians do not care about their co-religionists in the Middle East.

    Some of that may be ignorance as much as indifference. The story of the Christian minorities in the Middle East is largely unknown in the west. Who is to blame? Liberal media, perhaps.


  23. RIX
    23 | February 27, 2013 9:35 am

    @ Rodan:
    The fact that the Serbs were on the verge of victory is what
    did them in.
    Clinton needed to pick a side & he calulated that he could get
    sympathy for the losing underdog.


  24. Tanker
    24 | February 27, 2013 9:37 am

    Rodan wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    In our own country, anti-Semites still tends to hide themselves in a certain amount of shame since overt Jew hared is still stigmatic. Anti-Christians, on the other hand, revel in their “enlightenment”, much of it centered around the “entertainment” industry. Never in history have Jews and Christians shared so much common cause.
    The sad part is most Conservatives many of whom claim to be Christians do not care about their co-religionists in the Middle East.

    That’s a rather board brush to use. Most conservative Christians have no power to do anything about it. Are you talking politicians or are you grouping everyone together? How do you come up with this “most” part?
    My conservative evangelical Baptist Church has sponsored three Copt families from Egypt! There are other efforts being made. Although they don’t seek headlines in the news for their mission!


  25. 25 | February 27, 2013 9:48 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    It’s fault of the Conservative media as well.


  26. 26 | February 27, 2013 9:53 am

    @ Tanker:

    Are you talking politicians or are you grouping everyone together?

    I am talking about politicians. They claim to stand for Christian values rail about abortion and gays, but say nothing about real Christian persecution. They were silent on Lebanon in the 80′s, turned a blind eye to what happened to the Serbs and say nothing about Christian persecution in the Mideast today.

    That is why when I hear a politician call themselves a Christian Conservative and say nothing on the plight of Christians in the Mideast, I do not take them serious. eespecially when they want to go to war for Muslims.


  27. 27 | February 27, 2013 10:00 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Monica had disdain, it was on her dress.

    BOOOOOOOOOOOO, eh! :)


  28. 28 | February 27, 2013 10:01 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    The paradox, though, is that the conservative Jews and Christians who hold their faith quite literally are incapable of an ecumenical attitude, because each believe they are in possession of Truth. The alliance requires a lot of doublethink to keep it going.

    The problem is not a lack of ecumenism among people of faith (excepting of course, Muslims, who I don’t really consider “people of faith”), it’s persecution of the “faithful” by the “faithless”.

    A belief that one possesses a certain amount of “Truth” is the stuff of “faith”. Personally, I hold my Catholicism “quite literally” as you say, but I don’t see where it requires any “doublethink” to have respect for those who hold non-Catholic beliefs…I feel no conflict within myself, whatsoever.


  29. 29 | February 27, 2013 10:05 am

    @ MacDuff:

    That’s how I view it.


  30. Tanker
    30 | February 27, 2013 10:06 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Well said!


  31. Moe Katz
    31 | February 27, 2013 10:09 am

    @ Macker:
    By the way, you CAN spell it “ra-a-acist” with the hyphens. Try Googling it inside quotation marks. I do it that style because it’s a conventional way of representing an elongated vowel.


  32. Moe Katz
    32 | February 27, 2013 10:12 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    A belief that one possesses a certain amount of “Truth” is the stuff of “faith”. Personally, I hold my Catholicism “quite literally” as you say, but I don’t see where it requires any “doublethink” to have respect for those who hold non-Catholic beliefs…I feel no conflict within myself, whatsoever.

    I see the doublethink right there. If you take your religion literally, there is no dual covenant. And what happens to Jewish people when they die?

    My own spirituality is closer to mysticism, and I don’t believe any tradition has a monopoly on truth.


  33. 33 | February 27, 2013 10:14 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    I see the doublethink right there. If you take your religion literally, there is no dual covenant. And what happens to Jewish people when they die?

    My own spirituality is closer to mysticism, and I don’t believe any tradition has a monopoly on truth.

    Actually, I believe there to be an “Old Covenant” and a “New Covenant”. Where is it written that Jesus forsook his Judaism?


  34. Moe Katz
    34 | February 27, 2013 10:17 am

    @ MacDuff:
    I’m wading out of my depth here, but I don’t think that is the authoritative Catholic position. The orthodox Catholic position AFAIK, is replacement theology; the new covenant invalidates the old one, including for Jews.


  35. Lily
    35 | February 27, 2013 10:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    In our own country, anti-Semites still tends to hide themselves in a certain amount of shame since overt Jew hared is still stigmatic. Anti-Christians, on the other hand, revel in their “enlightenment”, much of it centered around the “entertainment” industry. Never in history have Jews and Christians shared so much common cause.
    The sad part is most Conservatives many of whom claim to be Christians do not care about their co-religionists in the Middle East.

    Conservatives or liberals Christians in both camps are willfully ignorant of what is going on. It hasn’t been just recently either this has been going on for a while the killing of Christians..Middle East and Africa are the top two that come to mind. But I am also seeing anti-Christian propaganda even here in the United States that is coming through Hollywood and our own press and even from the White House.


  36. Lily
    36 | February 27, 2013 10:22 am

    Tanker wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    MacDuff wrote:
    In our own country, anti-Semites still tends to hide themselves in a certain amount of shame since overt Jew hared is still stigmatic. Anti-Christians, on the other hand, revel in their “enlightenment”, much of it centered around the “entertainment” industry. Never in history have Jews and Christians shared so much common cause.
    The sad part is most Conservatives many of whom claim to be Christians do not care about their co-religionists in the Middle East.
    That’s a rather board brush to use. Most conservative Christians have no power to do anything about it. Are you talking politicians or are you grouping everyone together? How do you come up with this “most” part?
    My conservative evangelical Baptist Church has sponsored three Copt families from Egypt! There are other efforts being made. Although they don’t seek headlines in the news for their mission!

    There is the kicker no one knows the good stuff Christians are doing..because it isn’t being reported. One person offended because of a cross all over the news…thousands of Christians doing charity..*crickets*


  37. 37 | February 27, 2013 10:25 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Actually, I believe there to be an “Old Covenant” and a “New Covenant”. Where is it written that Jesus forsook his Judaism?

    That is my view.


  38. Lily
    38 | February 27, 2013 10:25 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    The paradox, though, is that the conservative Jews and Christians who hold their faith quite literally are incapable of an ecumenical attitude, because each believe they are in possession of Truth. The alliance requires a lot of doublethink to keep it going.
    The problem is not a lack of ecumenism among people of faith (excepting of course, Muslims, who I don’t really consider “people of faith”), it’s persecution of the “faithful” by the “faithless”.
    A belief that one possesses a certain amount of “Truth” is the stuff of “faith”. Personally, I hold my Catholicism “quite literally” as you say, but I don’t see where it requires any “doublethink” to have respect for those who hold non-Catholic beliefs…I feel no conflict within myself, whatsoever.

    Hear, hear. I feel no conflict either. Although I am supposed to feel some Catholic guilt..I don’t.


  39. 39 | February 27, 2013 10:27 am

    Lily wrote:

    our own press and even from the White House.

    Obama isthe most anti-Catholic President we have ever had. Period. He is agains t other Christians as well, but he really has a hard-on for th eCatholic Church. That is just the beginning of the persecution that we will see if we keep going down this path. I don’t expect America will get to be like Africa (except in places like Dearbornistan and Detroit), but it will get bad.


  40. Lily
    40 | February 27, 2013 10:28 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Actually, I believe there to be an “Old Covenant” and a “New Covenant”. Where is it written that Jesus forsook his Judaism?
    That is my view.

    He never did.


  41. 41 | February 27, 2013 10:29 am

    @ Rodan:

    That is the way it is taught in the Southern Baptist Church as well. There is no double-think needed. There are two covenants.


  42. 42 | February 27, 2013 10:29 am

    @ Lily:

    My beef are with Politicians.


  43. Lily
    43 | February 27, 2013 10:30 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    our own press and even from the White House.
    Obama isthe most anti-Catholic President we have ever had. Period. He is agains t other Christians as well, but he really has a hard-on for th eCatholic Church. That is just the beginning of the persecution that we will see if we keep going down this path. I don’t expect America will get to be like Africa (except in places like Dearbornistan and Detroit), but it will get bad.

    Yes it is going to get bad…I already see it in the press and hopefully by some miracle we get off this path. But it will take a miracle.


  44. 44 | February 27, 2013 10:32 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That is the way it is taught in the Southern Baptist Church as well. There is no double-think needed. There are two covenants.

    Correct, that’s what I was taught in Catholic School. Jews are our elder spiritual brothers.

    Hey the Pope and Cardinals wear Yarmulkes. That says it all where Catholicism all of Christianity originated.

    Here’s what is interesting, Ethipoian Christians are very Judiac. They can’t eat pork, follow diet laws and go to Church on Saturday and Sunday.


  45. Moe Katz
    45 | February 27, 2013 10:32 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That is the way it is taught in the Southern Baptist Church as well. There is no double-think needed. There are two covenants.

    Wading with trepidation into Christian theology, but the New Testament is replete with claims by Jesus to being the only way or path to salvation.


  46. 46 | February 27, 2013 10:34 am

    @ Lily:

    @ Iron Fist:

    My Roman ancestors crucified Jesus as Kings of the Jews.


  47. Tanker
    47 | February 27, 2013 10:34 am

    Lily wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    MacDuff wrote:
    In our own country, anti-Semites still tends to hide themselves in a certain amount of shame since overt Jew hared is still stigmatic. Anti-Christians, on the other hand, revel in their “enlightenment”, much of it centered around the “entertainment” industry. Never in history have Jews and Christians shared so much common cause.
    The sad part is most Conservatives many of whom claim to be Christians do not care about their co-religionists in the Middle East.
    That’s a rather board brush to use. Most conservative Christians have no power to do anything about it. Are you talking politicians or are you grouping everyone together? How do you come up with this “most” part?
    My conservative evangelical Baptist Church has sponsored three Copt families from Egypt! There are other efforts being made. Although they don’t seek headlines in the news for their mission!
    There is the kicker no one knows the good stuff Christians are doing..because it isn’t being reported. One person offended because of a cross all over the news…thousands of Christians doing charity..*crickets*

    One of the main problems is that we have no power to really help in getting them out of the ME other than monetary means. We can help them here, but even if there was a political will to do something on the international level, our secular society/UN would stop anything from being done!

    Most Christian mission efforts neither look for or want the headlines or attention that comes from such media!


  48. Lily
    48 | February 27, 2013 10:34 am

    @ Rodan:

    Posted before I saw that response. But you aren’t too off the mark with some Christians who even demeaning other Christians..I have seen this….and not about Catholic vs…whichever other Christian religion…more like Christians in name only because they actually take the side of the government over the tenets of their own religion!
    Because if this were not so obama would never have been re-elected.


  49. 49 | February 27, 2013 10:36 am

    @ Tanker:

    You are right. Our Immigration laws favor Mideast Muslims over Christians.


  50. Lily
    50 | February 27, 2013 10:36 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    That is the way it is taught in the Southern Baptist Church as well. There is no double-think needed. There are two covenants.
    Wading with trepidation into Christian theology, but the New Testament is replete with claims by Jesus to being the only way or path to salvation.

    Jesus was Jewish nothing said about Jewish people not going to heaven. Just saying. Not to mention later in the Bible in the end times the Jewish people are still around. Just saying.


  51. Moe Katz
    51 | February 27, 2013 10:39 am

    Lily wrote:

    Jesus was Jewish nothing said about Jewish people not going to heaven.

    I think that’s implied by the many claims Jesus makes to exclusivity. As far at the end times is concerned, I’m pretty fuzzy on Christian eschatology, but isn’t it only the Jews who convert to Christianity that are saved?


  52. Lily
    52 | February 27, 2013 10:39 am

    Tanker wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Tanker wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    MacDuff wrote:
    In our own country, anti-Semites still tends to hide themselves in a certain amount of shame since overt Jew hared is still stigmatic. Anti-Christians, on the other hand, revel in their “enlightenment”, much of it centered around the “entertainment” industry. Never in history have Jews and Christians shared so much common cause.
    The sad part is most Conservatives many of whom claim to be Christians do not care about their co-religionists in the Middle East.
    That’s a rather board brush to use. Most conservative Christians have no power to do anything about it. Are you talking politicians or are you grouping everyone together? How do you come up with this “most” part?
    My conservative evangelical Baptist Church has sponsored three Copt families from Egypt! There are other efforts being made. Although they don’t seek headlines in the news for their mission!
    There is the kicker no one knows the good stuff Christians are doing..because it isn’t being reported. One person offended because of a cross all over the news…thousands of Christians doing charity..*crickets*
    One of the main problems is that we have no power to really help in getting them out of the ME other than monetary means. We can help them here, but even if there was a political will to do something on the international level, our secular society/UN would stop anything from being done!
    Most Christian mission efforts neither look for or want the headlines or attention that comes from such media!

    No they don’t want the media..that is true because then it would hinder them with helping people..for sure. But if you are Christian you get the word of how people are helping other people through Christian newsletters or through Church itself.


  53. Moe Katz
    53 | February 27, 2013 10:40 am

    bbl


  54. 54 | February 27, 2013 10:41 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Jesus also said that He didn’t come to destroy the Law. Nothing He said invalidated the First Covenant with the Jews.


  55. 55 | February 27, 2013 10:43 am

    @ Lily:

    I’ll give you a perfect example, George W. Bush. He never ordered the US Army to protect Chaldean nor Assyriasn Christians in Iraq. He did nothing as Al-Qaeda and the Shia militias ethnically cleansed Christians. He did nothing nor cared.

    Bush recognized the Islamic terror state of Kossovo. He spat on Christian Serbians who are the legitimate owners of that land.

    He did nothing about Hizballah’s takeover of Lebanon.

    That is why I have no respect for Bush. What kind of Christian goes out of his way to help Muslims, but shitted on Christians.

    That is why I have no respect for Bush. Do not claim to be Christian and do nothing about your co-religionists.


  56. Lily
    56 | February 27, 2013 10:43 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Jesus was Jewish nothing said about Jewish people not going to heaven.
    I think that’s implied by the many claims Jesus makes to exclusivity. As far at the end times is concerned, I’m pretty fuzzy on Christian eschatology, but isn’t it only the Jews who convert to Christianity that are saved?

    Not to my knowledge and that is depending on where you are getting your information concerning that. But Christians aren’t your enemy.
    Christians see Jewish people as the Chosen people and aren’t for where I am sitting trying to convert Jewish people to Christianity.


  57. Lily
    57 | February 27, 2013 10:45 am

    @ Rodan:

    I can understand your point there.


  58. huckfunn
    58 | February 27, 2013 10:47 am

    And now for some thoughtful theological perspective by a leading koranimal cleric.
    Egyptian Cleric Abu Islam: Christianity Emerged from Penis Worship


  59. Lily
    59 | February 27, 2013 10:48 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Good grief!


  60. 60 | February 27, 2013 10:50 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Jesus also said that He didn’t come to destroy the Law. Nothing He said invalidated the First Covenant with the Jews.

    Yeah He came to fulfill the scriptures.


  61. 61 | February 27, 2013 10:56 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    And now for some thoughtful theological perspective by a leading koranimal cleric.
    Egyptian Cleric Abu Islam: Christianity Emerged from Penis Worship

    I thought they were tolerant of other faiths?


  62. Calo
    62 | February 27, 2013 10:56 am

    @ Rodan:

    Jesus came to complete the Jewish religion by creating a Church that would serve as its fulfillment and be open to people of all races, not just ethnic Jews. As Catholics, we are those who have accepted the fulfillment of the Jewish faith by joining the Church that Jesus founded.

    Link

    @ huckfunn:
    Christian women have dogs to serve a substitute husbands gave me a good chuckle.

    Work time, bbl.


  63. 63 | February 27, 2013 10:57 am

    Marking time here…


  64. 64 | February 27, 2013 11:00 am

    @ Lily:

    That is my real reason for not liking Bush. Do not go claiming you are Christian and kiss the ass of people killing your people. Say what you want about Putin but I respect him. He stands up for Russian Christians and defends the Orthodox Church.

    I have more respect for someone who would go to war to defend Christians than a clown like Santorum who rants about Condoms.


  65. 65 | February 27, 2013 11:02 am

    @ Calo:

    Yup!


  66. 66 | February 27, 2013 11:06 am

    Jesus did or said nothing in conflict with Jewish religious law or tradition. In fact, he was celebrating Passover the night before his death.

    As an aside, no one on this board, Catholic, Orthodox, Jew or Protestant necessary prosthelytizes, so I wonder why our beliefs are called into question by someone who, admittedly, does not subscribe to any of those faiths? This “justify your existence” thing gets annoying. I can’t recall anyone, at any time, claiming the exclusivity of TRUTH for their own faith, be they Christian or Jew; we meld extraordinarily well around here.

    Personally, my faith and my Catholicism is between me, my God and my Church and my mere mention of it isn’t an invitation to every manner critique, and I’d like to think I speak for everyone, regardless of faith. Christians and/or Jews harm no one and haven’t declared war on anyone and until we do, we should be left to worship as we see fit.


  67. 67 | February 27, 2013 11:10 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Well said.


  68. 68 | February 27, 2013 11:10 am

    @ Lily:

    That is why I respect Lebanese Maronites, Serbs and South Sudanese. They fought to defend their faith against Islam. They got no support form Christian politicians in America nad in the case of Serbia and the Maronites, our so called Christian leaders backed the Muslims.

    That is why when I hear these politicians talking about standing up for Christian values, I have no respect for them. Where are they when Christians are really dying? They are more worried about Contraceptives than Coptic Christians.


  69. 69 | February 27, 2013 11:10 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Sent you an email!


  70. 70 | February 27, 2013 11:15 am

    Here we go again.

    AP sources: US weighs direct aid to Syrian rebels

    PARIS (AP) — The Obama administration, in coordination with some European allies, is for the first time considering supplying direct assistance to elements of the Free Syrian Army as they seek to ramp up pressure on Syrian President Bashar Assad to step down and end nearly two years of brutal and increasingly deadly violence.

    Officials in the United States and Europe said Tuesday the administration is nearing a decision on whether to provide non-lethal assistance to carefully vetted fighters opposed to the Assad regime in addition to what it is already supplying to the political opposition. A decision is expected by Thursday when U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry will attend an international conference on Syria in Rome that leaders of the opposition Syrian National Coalition have been persuaded to attend, the officials said.

    Will Republcians speak out on this? Nope, they will go along with this in the name of Democracy.


  71. taxfreekiller
    71 | February 27, 2013 11:16 am

    One more thing one of ms tfk’s contacts sent her and I pass it on under direct orders.

    http://www.cfact.org/donate/support-cfacts-billboard-campaign/

    For a highway, byway or Interstate near any of U.S..


  72. 72 | February 27, 2013 11:16 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Who said otherwise? Live and let live, I say.


  73. 73 | February 27, 2013 11:18 am

    @ Rodan:

    Replied.


  74. Speranza
    74 | February 27, 2013 11:22 am

    Rodan wrote:

    That is why I respect Lebanese Maronites, Serbs and South Sudanese. They fought to defend their faith against Islam. They got no support form Christian politicians in America nad in the case of Serbia and the Maronites, our so called Christian leaders backed the Muslims.

    Correct.


  75. Speranza
    75 | February 27, 2013 11:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Moe Katz:
    Jesus also said that He didn’t come to destroy the Law. Nothing He said invalidated the First Covenant with the Jews.
    Yeah He came to fulfill the scriptures.

    Actually Jesus (Joshua) never founded a new religion. Born, lived, and died a Jew.


  76. Speranza
    76 | February 27, 2013 11:24 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Dole was awful, though not quite as bad maybe as McCain.

    Those two were the absolute pits.


  77. Speranza
    77 | February 27, 2013 11:26 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Clinton had disdain

    Monica had disdain, it was on her dress.

    Good one!


  78. Speranza
    78 | February 27, 2013 11:27 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Actually, I believe there to be an “Old Covenant” and a “New Covenant”. Where is it written that Jesus forsook his Judaism?

    It isn’t written any where.


  79. 79 | February 27, 2013 11:28 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Who said otherwise? Live and let live, I say.

    Agreed. I guess that I was getting a little tired of Moe Katz insinuating that holding one’s faith simultaneously with respect for the faith of others is, somehow, incompatible. It’s not.


  80. citizen_q
    80 | February 27, 2013 11:41 am

    @ MacDuff:
    I agree with you, says this Jew.

    I don’t know why, for some reason my comment was a rhyme. :-)


  81. 81 | February 27, 2013 11:43 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Too much Dr. Seuss…


  82. citizen_q
    82 | February 27, 2013 11:48 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Too much Dr. Seuss…

    That’s a relief! I was thinking drain bamage.

    OTOH, not mutually exclusive.


  83. 83 | February 27, 2013 11:49 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    I agree with you, says this Jew.

    I don’t know why, for some reason my comment was a rhyme.

    As my father was wont to say, “you’re a poet and don’t know it” ;)


  84. Alberta Oil Peon
    84 | February 27, 2013 11:50 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Jesus was Jewish nothing said about Jewish people not going to heaven.
    I think that’s implied by the many claims Jesus makes to exclusivity. As far at the end times is concerned, I’m pretty fuzzy on Christian eschatology, but isn’t it only the Jews who convert to Christianity that are saved?

    Look, people! It doesn’t ******* matter. Jews, on the whole, are civil, honorable people who add value to society. Christians, on the whole, are civil, honorable people who add value to society. Muslims, barring a few notable exceptions, not so much, especially their leadership.

    Don’t get hung up in silly Lilliputian matters of doctrine.


  85. Alberta Oil Peon
    85 | February 27, 2013 11:52 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    And now for some thoughtful theological perspective by a leading koranimal cleric.
    Egyptian Cleric Abu Islam: Christianity Emerged from Penis Worship

    Double heh! I seem to remember reading an article that claimed the Black Stone in the kaaba was in fact the penis off an older idol.


  86. citizen_q
    86 | February 27, 2013 11:59 am

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    And now for some thoughtful theological perspective by a leading koranimal cleric.
    Egyptian Cleric Abu Islam: Christianity Emerged from Penis Worship

    Double heh! I seem to remember reading an article that claimed the Black Stone in the kaaba was in fact the penis off an older idol.

    I have not heard that, but google up some pictures of it, looks to me like its housed in a vagina.


  87. 87 | February 27, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    The problem, as I see it, is that the people playing up the divisions between Christians and Jews are neither Christian, nor Jew.


  88. Moe Katz
    88 | February 27, 2013 4:16 pm

    The Heresy of Dual-Covenant Theology


  89. Speranza
    89 | February 27, 2013 7:14 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    The Heresy of Dual-Covenant Theology

    I don’t understand.


  90. Calo
    90 | February 27, 2013 7:43 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    I KNEW I should have kept open all my links this morning on the subject.

    Yes, there is a bit of controversy as to a new interpretation on the matter as of 2009. However, modern Catholic doctrine specifically includes not trying to convert Jews to Christianity.


  91. Speranza
    91 | February 27, 2013 8:30 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    I KNEW I should have kept open all my links this morning on the subject.
    Yes, there is a bit of controversy as to a new interpretation on the matter as of 2009. However, modern Catholic doctrine specifically includes not trying to convert Jews to Christianity.

    This has been the doctrine since Vatican II.


  92. Speranza
    92 | February 27, 2013 8:31 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    The problem, as I see it, is that the people playing up the divisions between Christians and Jews are neither Christian, nor Jew.

    Quite concur!


  93. Moe Katz
    93 | February 28, 2013 8:34 am

    Do Jews go to heaven?


  94. Speranza
    94 | February 28, 2013 2:46 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Do Jews go to heaven?

    Nobody has sent a postcard from there.


  95. Speranza
    95 | February 28, 2013 2:46 pm

    Actually heaven for Jews is the Catskills.


  96. Speranza
    96 | February 28, 2013 2:46 pm

    Or a shopping day at Macy’s.


  97. Speranza
    97 | February 28, 2013 2:47 pm

    Maybe a pastrami sandwich on rye at Katz’s Delicatessen.


  98. Speranza
    98 | February 28, 2013 2:48 pm

    There is a reactionary element (Mel Gibson and father) which rejects Vatican II.


  99. Speranza
    99 | February 28, 2013 2:48 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    I have not heard that, but google up some pictures of it, looks to me like its housed in a vagina

    penis, penis, penis


  100. Speranza
    100 | February 28, 2013 2:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Anti-Zionists are anti-Semites. Anti-Zionism is just the “respectable” cloak that they wear. You don’t see many of them where I live, but you see them in spades in the Northeast and Left Coast. They are popular on University campuses, too.

    Recip Tayyip Erdogan is exhibit number 1.


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