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The ‘all powerful’ Israel Lobby strikes again

by Speranza ( 360 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, Democratic Party, Egypt, Hamas, Islamic Terrorism, Israel, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Middle East, Muslim Brotherhood, Pakistan, Palestinians at February 28th, 2013 - 3:00 pm

The so called “Israel lobby” (or as Chuckster Hagel referred to it as “the Jewish lobby”) cannot hold a candle to the Saudi lobby.

by Daniel Greenfield

The Israel Lobby which controls American foreign policy, but has thus far been unable to get the United States to stop funding the terrorists currently shooting rockets at its 14th largest city, has struck again as Senate Democrats voted unanimously to make Chuck Hagel the next Secretary of Defense.

The dreaded Israeli Lobby, Jewish Lobby, Israel Lobby or any other permutation of the form that you prefer, has largely kept silent during the Hagel nomination. The head of the ADL was heard to mutter something and the AJC suggested that the Senate should possibly rethink the nomination before falling silent again. As if anyone needed more proof that the Zionist Entity controls Washington.

AIPAC and all the other groups who regularly send out envelopes warning of disaster if the check doesn’t come in the mail have an amazing track record.

When Israel builds apartment buildings in its own capital city, the State Department, that branch of government which Hagel claimed was an adjunct of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, denounces the provocative act of putting one brick on top of another. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia arrests Christians for celebrating Christmas and you couldn’t pay the State Department to pay attention.

Pakistan was hiding Bin Laden and still rolls in the foreign aid. Egypt’s government is torturing protesters. Libya arrested Christian missionaries in Benghazi, but still can’t be bothered to arrest those responsible for the murder of Ambassador Stevens. The Palestinian Authority hasn’t held an election in forever and is actually paying the salaries of convicted terrorists.

[......] To hear them talk, East Jerusalem is the only thing standing in the way of peace in our time. And talk like that is just more evidence that the Israel Lobby really does run everything.

John Kerry, the new Secretary of State, gave Code Pink, the radical leftist Anti-War and Anti-Israel group, a pass to go see Hamas. John Brennan Islamized Jerusalem. Hagel blamed the Jewish Lobby for spoiling his milk. But what do you expect in a Washington D.C. run by the Israel Lobby?

There are constant dire warnings that Israel is about to pull the United States into a war. The number of wars that Israel has pulled the United States into clocks in at zero. The number of wars that the Saudis have pulled the United States into clocks in at three; if you count a Saudi terrorist funded by Saudis using a bunch of Saudis to ram planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

True aficionados of the nefarious Jewish Lobby however know that the House of Saud was framed by a few thousand Jews who showed up early to wire up the towers with C4 and then punched out before the flights arrived. That is if the planes weren’t just holograms full of passengers who never existed as part of a false flag operation against a fake terrorist group created by the CIA in a conspiracy to steal all the opium in Afghanistan.

And in the same way they know that Hagel really is an Israeli agent. Why else did the Jewish Lobby remain silent? And wasn’t it suspicious how Hagel seemed to hate Israel so much? [.......]What if beneath that mopey exterior that bespeaks a man who has spent his entire life watching a fly crawl across a window, beats the heart of a Semitic partisan who is just raring to begin bombing Iran as soon as he figures out how to make his executive chair go up and down?

Hagel’s triumph is a disappointment to them. It would have been better if he had gone down a martyr, his stumped visage adorning book covers alongside James Forrestal and Adlai Stevenson III as another victim of the lobby in the blue-and-white hotel. A brave truth-teller like Charles Freeman who wasn’t approved for a position chairing the National Intelligence Council for taking money from Saudi Arabia and China, and claiming that Tienanmen Square was a moderate response, but mostly because of the Israel Lobby.

There’s no question that the Israel Lobby is a truly impressive beast. Every now and then it convinces a bunch of senators to sign a letter calling for peace and a two-state solution while condemning the taxpayer supported terrorists who shoot rockets at Israeli cities. The letter doesn’t actually call for ending funding to the terrorists. It just asks the President or Secretary of State to review the situation and strongly urge the terrorists to stop shooting rockets because that endangers the future of the peace process.

[........]

Occasionally the Israel Lobby will get truly serious and a non-binding resolution of support will be introduced in Congress. Everyone will vote for it, even the senators and congressmen whose fondest wish is that Israel didn’t exist.  [.......]

In a truly disturbing overreach of power, sometimes there will be a bill proposing to cut off aid to the terrorists unless they stop shooting rockets at Israeli cities. The bill will allow for a national security waiver by the president. And every president will employ the waiver making the bill slightly less useless than a non-binding resolution, but not in any way that can be pinned down.

Meanwhile the three-hundred blogs dedicated to exposing the Israel Lobby’s muzzling of dissent will denounce the bill and author six more books describing how the dreaded lobby makes it entirely impossible to discuss the conflict from the perspective that Israel is to blame for absolutely everything. This is a perspective that seldom appears in major newspapers and magazines and is absolutely never heard on CNN. You could go a whole five seconds without encountering it on any world news broadcast.

It’s not always clear what the Israel Lobby’s accomplishments really consist of. There’s a good deal of traffic between the interlocking American and Israeli defense industries that adds up to a sizable amount of foreign aid.  [......] To say nothing of the Pakistani Hotel Taliban. Israel is doing better than Taiwan which can’t convince the United States to sell it any serious firepower for fear of offending China, and if folks like Hagel had their way, Israel might be in the same boat.

Beyond that, Israel and the United States have a mutual agreement. The State Department, an adjunct of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, will blame Israel for all of America’s troubles with the Muslim world, especially those caused by Saudi Arabia, and Israeli diplomats will attend negotiating sessions with terrorists that will fail and then accept responsibility for the failure.

The United States will provide foreign aid to Israel and the countries and terrorist groups trying to destroy it. This will be known as a pro-Israel policy because Israel will get more aid than the countries trying to destroy it giving it a qualitative advantage.

The United States will help fund the terrorists shooting rockets at Israeli cities and help fund the Israeli Iron Dome anti-rocket program, so that both sides are evened out. Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood will get fighter jets and tanks and Israel will get a visit from Obama. The last time Obama visited Egypt, it imploded, but when he visits Israel, he promises not to reduce the country to a violent civil war and urban anarchy. And so qualitative advantage is upheld once again due to the work of the Israel Lobby.

In one of his more brilliant moments, Hagel signed on to a report that called on Obama to present Israel with his own peace plan backed by a 60,000 NATO peacekeeping force deployed inside Israel that would include soldiers from Muslim countries. We have no idea if this latest brilliant plan will ever come to fruition, but carving up Israel like a turkey and deploying Muslim armies inside it is clearly another creation of the Israel Lobby.

It doesn’t sound like something the Saudi Lobby would come up with, does it?

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360 Responses to “The ‘all powerful’ Israel Lobby strikes again”
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  1. 1 | February 28, 2013 3:23 pm

    The Jewish Lobby is a joke compared to the Arab Muslim Lobby. The House of Saud, Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood has clout in DC.


  2. coldwarrior
    2 | February 28, 2013 3:23 pm

    whats the breakdown on the Jewish-american vote?


  3. heysoos
    3 | February 28, 2013 3:25 pm

    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?


  4. brookly red
    4 | February 28, 2013 3:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    whats the breakdown on the Jewish-american vote?

    less than 5% nationaly


  5. brookly red
    5 | February 28, 2013 3:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?

    I wanted NK prace keepers ;)


  6. Lily
    6 | February 28, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Well I know for sure the Muslim Brotherhood has been invited a heck lot more often to the White House than anything doing with Israel or the Jewish people.


  7. 7 | February 28, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ brookly red:

    How about one half of one percent, and yet we control the world, and to think I keep missing those secret meetings.


  8. Lily
    8 | February 28, 2013 3:28 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?
    I wanted NK prace keepers

    What are NK prace keepers? ;)


  9. brookly red
    9 | February 28, 2013 3:29 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    How about one half of one percent, and yet we control the world, and to think I keep missing those secret meetings.

    never discount good managers…


  10. heysoos
    10 | February 28, 2013 3:30 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?

    I wanted NK prace keepers

    NATO?…the guys that shit their pants when Hezz moved on Lebanon?


  11. brookly red
    11 | February 28, 2013 3:31 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?
    I wanted NK prace keepers

    What are NK prace keepers?

    North Korean… after a year with them the Arabs and the Jews will finally agree on something


  12. brookly red
    12 | February 28, 2013 3:32 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?

    I wanted NK prace keepers

    NATO?…the guys that shit their pants when Hezz moved on Lebanon?

    The NK wouldn’t fear Hezz…

    they might just eat them.


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | February 28, 2013 3:34 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    whats the breakdown on the Jewish-american vote?

    less than 5% nationaly

    no

    dem v gop?


  14. brookly red
    14 | February 28, 2013 3:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    whats the breakdown on the Jewish-american vote?

    less than 5% nationaly

    no

    dem v gop?

    like around 80/20


  15. Lily
    15 | February 28, 2013 3:35 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?
    I wanted NK prace keepers
    What are NK prace keepers?
    North Korean… after a year with them the Arabs and the Jews will finally agree on something

    There is a thought….


  16. 16 | February 28, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Cannible headhunter peace keepers? It’s the Middle East. That might work…


  17. Lily
    17 | February 28, 2013 3:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?
    I wanted NK prace keepers
    NATO?…the guys that shit their pants when Hezz moved on Lebanon?
    The NK wouldn’t fear Hezz…
    they might just eat them.

    You that is sad what NK is doing to most of it’s people…pure evil.


  18. 18 | February 28, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    65-D/35-R


  19. 19 | February 28, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Romney improved the numbers. See above.


  20. brookly red
    20 | February 28, 2013 3:40 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Cannible headhunter peace keepers? It’s the Middle East. That might work…

    I am telling you I put a lot of thought into this… it could work.


  21. Lily
    21 | February 28, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ Lily:

    Pimf…again….YOU = YES
    /darn keyboard.


  22. brookly red
    22 | February 28, 2013 3:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Romney improved the numbers. See above.

    good news, but did they like Romney or fear Obama?


  23. 23 | February 28, 2013 3:42 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Well I know for sure the Muslim Brotherhood has been invited a heck lot more often to the White House than anything doing with Israel or the Jewish people.

    Both Parties kiss the ass of the Muzz. Part of the reason Romney lost was because he wanted to invade Syria and help al-Qaeda. I know 5 people who voted against him over that.


  24. 24 | February 28, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ brookly red:

    And that was with Obama running as President, after he’d been as anti-Israeli as he’s been. I think the Dems can pretty much take the Jewish vote for granted, just like they take the black vote for granted. Nothing is likely to change that.


  25. 25 | February 28, 2013 3:42 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I am not Jewish and have no clue.


  26. 26 | February 28, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Although Romney did improve the numbers. In 2008 it was 80/20 and he got 65/35.


  27. Lily
    27 | February 28, 2013 3:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Cannible headhunter peace keepers? It’s the Middle East. That might work…
    I am telling you I put a lot of thought into this… it could work.

    Okay have you thought about shrunken heads??? When I think of cannibal headhunters….my next thought is of shrunken heads. It is just the natural flow of what thought is next. Have you figured this into your plans? If not then by all means do. Always be prepared.


  28. 28 | February 28, 2013 3:44 pm

    What I do not get is why no one mentioned the Saudi lobby?


  29. heysoos
    29 | February 28, 2013 3:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I am not Jewish and have no clue.

    I’d be an honorary Jew if someone bestowed me…tough underdogs with a very lethal bite…my kind of folks


  30. brookly red
    30 | February 28, 2013 3:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    What I do not get is why no one mentioned the Saudi lobby?

    “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist”


  31. 31 | February 28, 2013 3:46 pm

    Anyone want to bet The Saudis/Qatar fund OFA?


  32. buzzsawmonkey
    32 | February 28, 2013 3:46 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    good news, but did they like Romney or fear Obama?

    I’d guess that they feared Obama.


  33. 33 | February 28, 2013 3:48 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Through Lebanese Maronite side, I am actually related to them. The Lebanese Maronites are Phoenicians and the Jews are Israelites. Both are related.

    Look at an Israeli and a Lebanese Maronite. You see the resemblance.


  34. 34 | February 28, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    True.


  35. heysoos
    35 | February 28, 2013 3:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Anyone want to bet The Saudis/Qatar fund OFA?

    now that’s an interesting notion…somebody should ask, on the record


  36. Lily
    36 | February 28, 2013 3:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Well I know for sure the Muslim Brotherhood has been invited a heck lot more often to the White House than anything doing with Israel or the Jewish people.
    Both Parties kiss the ass of the Muzz. Part of the reason Romney lost was because he wanted to invade Syria and help al-Qaeda. I know 5 people who voted against him over that.

    And to be truthful once all the facts were in hand I honestly don’t think that would have happened. And these people don’t think obama is going to help the rebels in Syria? They myriad of reasons why people didn’t vote for Romney astounds me…when you compare it to what obama has done, is doing and will do. It simply doesn’t compute to be honest. Romney was rich. BUZZ can’t vote for him..although obama is rich. Romney is Mormon. BUZZ can’t vote for him …although obama is at war with the religious. … it goes on and on.


  37. brookly red
    37 | February 28, 2013 3:51 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Cannible headhunter peace keepers? It’s the Middle East. That might work…
    I am telling you I put a lot of thought into this… it could work.

    Okay have you thought about shrunken heads??? When I think of cannibal headhunters….my next thought is of shrunken heads. It is just the natural flow of what thought is next. Have you figured this into your plans? If not then by all means do. Always be prepared.

    the NKs don’t shrink heads… but they sure can seal a border. Come to think of it we should outsource our borders to them.


  38. Lily
    38 | February 28, 2013 3:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I am not Jewish and have no clue.
    I’d be an honorary Jew if someone bestowed me…tough underdogs with a very lethal bite…my kind of folks

    You do know you can become Jewish…just believe in God and join the Jewish religion. There ya go.


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | February 28, 2013 3:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    65-D/35-R

    eff them they dint vote for us anyway…eff them they wont vote against us anyway.

    III was right


  40. heysoos
    40 | February 28, 2013 3:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Through Lebanese Maronite side, I am actually related to them. The Lebanese Maronites are Phoenicians and the Jews are Israelites. Both are related.
    Look at an Israeli and a Lebanese Maronite. You see the resemblance.

    I don’t know much about it, but the you’re right…the Lebanese don’t give me the creeps like the Arabs further west


  41. brookly red
    41 | February 28, 2013 3:53 pm

    Lily wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I am not Jewish and have no clue.
    I’d be an honorary Jew if someone bestowed me…tough underdogs with a very lethal bite…my kind of folks

    You do know you can become Jewish…just believe in God and join the Jewish religion. There ya go.

    psssst… circumcision LOL


  42. 42 | February 28, 2013 3:53 pm

    @ heysoos:

    What makes you think you’d get an honest answer? It is like all the foreign money that’ll go into Obama’s “Library” fund. Where it comes from and where it really goes will never be asked nor answered if someone in the Press grows the balls to ask the question.


  43. Lily
    43 | February 28, 2013 3:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    What I do not get is why no one mentioned the Saudi lobby?
    “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist”

    Yep! It’s been working well too. The mafia has gone with this too.


  44. 44 | February 28, 2013 3:53 pm

    @ Lily:

    They myriad of reasons why people didn’t vote for Romney astounds me…when you compare it to what obama has done, is doing and will do. It simply doesn’t compute to be honest.

    One answer: OFA!


  45. brookly red
    45 | February 28, 2013 3:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    What I do not get is why no one mentioned the Saudi lobby?
    “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist”

    Yep! It’s been working well too. The mafia has gone with this too.

    what mafia?


  46. 46 | February 28, 2013 3:55 pm

    @ heysoos:

    DNA proves Lebanese are Phoenicians and not Arabs. Here’s an interesting note: Many Hispanics are partly Lebanese.


  47. heysoos
    47 | February 28, 2013 3:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    What makes you think you’d get an honest answer? It is like all the foreign money that’ll go into Obama’s “Library” fund. Where it comes from and where it really goes will never be asked nor answered if someone in the Press grows the balls to ask the question.

    I didn’t say I expect an honest answer, but the lie would sound good further down the road


  48. Lily
    48 | February 28, 2013 3:56 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Cannible headhunter peace keepers? It’s the Middle East. That might work…
    I am telling you I put a lot of thought into this… it could work.
    Okay have you thought about shrunken heads??? When I think of cannibal headhunters….my next thought is of shrunken heads. It is just the natural flow of what thought is next. Have you figured this into your plans? If not then by all means do. Always be prepared.
    the NKs don’t shrink heads… but they sure can seal a border. Come to think of it we should outsource our borders to them.

    Yeah but doesn’t the South Koreans do good at that too? Or is that us doing it for them.


  49. Buckeye Abroad
    49 | February 28, 2013 3:57 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    How about one half of one percent, and yet we control the world, and to think I keep missing those secret meetings.

    Math witch. Burn the witch!

    When you mention that the world has a population over 6 billion and the number of Jews in the world is @ 6 million you usually get a blank stare.

    If people don’t grok the math, we are heading to a new dark age.


  50. Lily
    50 | February 28, 2013 3:58 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    I am not Jewish and have no clue.
    I’d be an honorary Jew if someone bestowed me…tough underdogs with a very lethal bite…my kind of folks
    You do know you can become Jewish…just believe in God and join the Jewish religion. There ya go.
    psssst… circumcision LOL

    He’s American probably already done. Just saying. ;)


  51. coldwarrior
    51 | February 28, 2013 3:58 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Anyone want to bet The Saudis/Qatar fund OFA?

    now that’s an interesting notion…somebody should ask, on the record

    now we are getting somewhere


  52. brookly red
    52 | February 28, 2013 3:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    DNA proves Lebanese are Phoenicians and not Arabs. Here’s an interesting note: Many Hispanics are partly Lebanese.

    would make a helluva fusion restaurant for sure.


  53. heysoos
    53 | February 28, 2013 3:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    DNA proves Lebanese are Phoenicians and not Arabs. Here’s an interesting note: Many Hispanics are partly Lebanese.

    there is a lot of modern speculation a regarding Phoenicians travels…their sailing abilities may have taken them to the New World, leaving a little DNA here and there I guess


  54. brookly red
    54 | February 28, 2013 3:59 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    How about one half of one percent, and yet we control the world, and to think I keep missing those secret meetings.

    Math witch. Burn the witch!

    When you mention that the world has a population over 6 billion and the number of Jews in the world is @ 6 million you usually get a blank stare.

    If people don’t grok the math, we are heading to a new dark age.

    closer to 15M I thought?


  55. citizen_q
    55 | February 28, 2013 4:00 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    good news, but did they like Romney or fear Obama?

    I despise komrade zero, and while I liked Romney as a candidate, I am quite angry with his loser campaign.


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | February 28, 2013 4:00 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    When you mention that the world has a population over 6 billion and the number of Jews in the world is @ 6 million you usually get a blank stare.

    If people don’t grok the math, we are heading to a new dark age.

    thats just what teh yooooosss! want you to think!


  57. brookly red
    57 | February 28, 2013 4:00 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    DNA proves Lebanese are Phoenicians and not Arabs. Here’s an interesting note: Many Hispanics are partly Lebanese.

    there is a lot of modern speculation a regarding Phoenicians travels…their sailing abilities may have taken them to the New World, leaving a little DNA here and there I guess

    sailors are the bumble bees of humanity ;)


  58. 58 | February 28, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ brookly red:

    My family in DR own Lebanese-Dominican Restaurants. I grew up eating Kibbe and Shwarma along with Rice and beans.


  59. Lily
    59 | February 28, 2013 4:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    What I do not get is why no one mentioned the Saudi lobby?
    “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist”
    Yep! It’s been working well too. The mafia has gone with this too.
    what mafia?

    See? There ya go! It’s working.


  60. buzzsawmonkey
    60 | February 28, 2013 4:02 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    And that was with Obama running as President, after he’d been as anti-Israeli as he’s been. I think the Dems can pretty much take the Jewish vote for granted, just like they take the black vote for granted. Nothing is likely to change that.

    It grieves me to say it, but the “social justice” mind rot pervades the majority of American Jews.

    Furthermore, as I commented at length prior to the election, many if not most Jews are only nominal observers of Judaism. Reform Judaism is a shell and a sham, which “honors” the tenets of Judaism by ignoring them—and most American Jews, if they are at all “religious,” are Reform Jews. Even Conservative Judaism has, in the past ten years, shifted leftward to the point where it is almost where Reform was ten or fifteen years ago.

    Most of these JINOs, having jettisoned most of Jewish observance, have retained one thing—the anti-Christian prejudice of their grandparents or great-grandparents. People of those prior generations had reason for such sentiments; if they were of the immigrant generation, they were for the most part fleeing oppression and restrictions of a Europe much more Christian than it is now—and they and their children in the first generations born here often experienced overt and covert antisemitism that was quite open. Much of that—not all of it—disappeared after the horrors of WWII were revealed, though admissions quotas at universities, restrictive covenants on land sales, and restricted access to clubs and even hotels persisted into the early ’60s.

    Most of the more-religious Jews I know ignore or shrug off such things, when they encounter them—but the nonreligious Jews, having abandoned the source of their own spiritual strength which is also their genuine connection to their antecedents, retain the prejudice as the one connection with their forebears.

    In this, one can perhaps draw an analogy to those highly-successful blacks who, having gone far beyond what opportunities were available to their parents or grandparents, retain a virulent hate-whitey attitude wholly unjustified by their actual circumstances. We see many of these people in prominent positions in the Obama administration.

    It is the Jews whose connections to Judaism are tenuous that express opposition to Christmas trees and other end-of-year observances, and have inflated Chanukah far beyond its actual significance. They feel threatened by the Christmas observance because they have abandoned their own—and it is easy to project their unease outwards than it is to look at what they have done to themselves.


  61. 61 | February 28, 2013 4:02 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Part of it was Romney’s fault. But he did not realize what he was up against. Check the morning thread. Its the first of a series on OFA.


  62. brookly red
    62 | February 28, 2013 4:02 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    good news, but did they like Romney or fear Obama?

    I despise komrade zero, and while I liked Romney as a candidate, I am quite angry with his loser campaign.

    for me the choice was do I want a bad president or a 3rd world dictator… I had to think about that for almost a second.


  63. 63 | February 28, 2013 4:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Basically, they are insecure in their heritage.


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | February 28, 2013 4:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    DNA proves Lebanese are Phoenicians and not Arabs. Here’s an interesting note: Many Hispanics are partly Lebanese.
    there is a lot of modern speculation a regarding Phoenicians travels…their sailing abilities may have taken them to the New World, leaving a little DNA here and there I guess

    sailors are the bumble bees of humanity

    horny bastages.

    :lol:


  65. 65 | February 28, 2013 4:05 pm

    @ heysoos:

    There’s a good how on H2 called America uncovered Fridays at 10. It has proven the Minoans had Bronze mines in America.


  66. brookly red
    66 | February 28, 2013 4:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Basically, they are insecure in their heritage.

    Progroms and concentration camps can do that to you…


  67. brookly red
    67 | February 28, 2013 4:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    DNA proves Lebanese are Phoenicians and not Arabs. Here’s an interesting note: Many Hispanics are partly Lebanese.
    there is a lot of modern speculation a regarding Phoenicians travels…their sailing abilities may have taken them to the New World, leaving a little DNA here and there I guess

    sailors are the bumble bees of humanity

    horny bastages.

    ahhh I recognize the DC/Lobo reference :)


  68. coldwarrior
    68 | February 28, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    as an orthodox christian i am probably more kosher/jewish than modern secular jews


  69. brookly red
    69 | February 28, 2013 4:09 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    as an orthodox christian i am probably more kosher/jewish than modern secular jews

    well Christians recognize the law of Moses and in fact are Jewish.


  70. Buckeye Abroad
    70 | February 28, 2013 4:10 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    How about one half of one percent, and yet we control the world, and to think I keep missing those secret meetings.

    Math witch. Burn the witch!

    When you mention that the world has a population over 6 billion and the number of Jews in the world is @ 6 million you usually get a blank stare.

    If people don’t grok the math, we are heading to a new dark age.

    closer to 15M I thought?

    Hmmm. I think your right. Probably 6 million Jews in Israel. So instead of .1% of the worlds population, its closer to .25%.


  71. citizen_q
    71 | February 28, 2013 4:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Yeah but doesn’t the South Koreans do good at that too? Or is that us doing it for them.

    FWIW, when I was in Korea in 1980 it my understanding we were only responsible for 100 yards of the DMZ. That is what I was told. I was helicopter mechanic and did not get anywhere near there.

    Activity in and around the DMZ was heavily monitored, by both sides. I had 3 of my aircraft take friendly fire due to mistakes following protocol flying in the DMZ area during the year I was there.


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | February 28, 2013 4:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    as an orthodox christian i am probably more kosher/jewish than modern secular jews

    well Christians recognize the law of Moses and in fact are Jewish.

    besides that, what have the romans done for us?

    :lol:


  73. heysoos
    73 | February 28, 2013 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    There’s a good how on H2 called America uncovered Fridays at 10. It has proven the Minoans had Bronze mines in America.

    oh boyo…I love that stuff…thanks for that


  74. coldwarrior
    74 | February 28, 2013 4:14 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    the dmz is its own reality


  75. brookly red
    75 | February 28, 2013 4:14 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    How about one half of one percent, and yet we control the world, and to think I keep missing those secret meetings.

    Math witch. Burn the witch!

    When you mention that the world has a population over 6 billion and the number of Jews in the world is @ 6 million you usually get a blank stare.

    If people don’t grok the math, we are heading to a new dark age.

    closer to 15M I thought?

    Hmmm. I think your right. Probably 6 million Jews in Israel. So instead of .1% of the worlds population, its closer to .25%.

    there was some Muslim leader a while back (not Arab, Indonesian I think) that was calling on Muslims to embrace western technology and asked “how do 15 million people control the world?” he was killed shortly after…


  76. Buckeye Abroad
    76 | February 28, 2013 4:14 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    thats just what teh yooooosss! want you to think!

    Ah. We’ve met some of the same people. Scapegoats are more precious than diamonds these days.


  77. 77 | February 28, 2013 4:14 pm

    The ultimate source for the copper going to Europe is The Lost Empire of Atlantis, by Gavin Menzies.

    Unfortunately Menzies is kinda sloppy. He’s responsible for the “1421 hypothesis” which got trashed a long time back. I file him alongside Graham Hancock.


  78. brookly red
    78 | February 28, 2013 4:15 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    besides that, what have the romans done for us?

    Pizza.


  79. Speranza
    79 | February 28, 2013 4:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Jewish Lobby is a joke compared to the Arab Muslim Lobby. The House of Saud, Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood has clout in DC.

    Amen to that!


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | February 28, 2013 4:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    There’s a good how on H2 called America uncovered Fridays at 10. It has proven the Minoans had Bronze mines in America.

    oh boyo…I love that stuff…thanks for that

    lake michigan copper shows up in bronze age lebanon.

    dope, blow, and smokes show up in pharo’s tomb.


  81. Speranza
    81 | February 28, 2013 4:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    NATO peacekeepers?…in Israel?
    wha?

    Yeah that sounds lie a great idea. Their guns will be pointed at the IDF.


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | February 28, 2013 4:16 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    besides that, what have the romans done for us?
    Pizza.

    good enough.


  83. 83 | February 28, 2013 4:16 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Bronze mines

    Say what?


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | February 28, 2013 4:18 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    thats just what teh yooooosss! want you to think!
    Ah. We’ve met some of the same people. Scapegoats are more precious than diamonds these days.

    yooooooooooosssssssssssssss!

    :lol:

    :roll:


  85. brookly red
    85 | February 28, 2013 4:18 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Yeah but doesn’t the South Koreans do good at that too? Or is that us doing it for them.

    you got your keeping IN and you got your keeping OUT…


  86. Speranza
    86 | February 28, 2013 4:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Well I know for sure the Muslim Brotherhood has been invited a heck lot more often to the White House than anything doing with Israel or the Jewish people.

    Morsi will be soon granted a state visit. You can bet he won’t be ushered through the back door.


  87. Speranza
    87 | February 28, 2013 4:18 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    How about one half of one percent, and yet we control the world, and to think I keep missing those secret meetings.

    I am still waiting for my Zionist cabal check.


  88. buzzsawmonkey
    88 | February 28, 2013 4:19 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well Christians recognize the law of Moses and in fact are Jewish.

    Well…yes and no. Certainly the tenets of Christianity are based on Mosaic law, since that was the basis from which Jesus taught. But in my experience there are things in the Bible which Jews take literally and Christians take symbolically or figuratively, and vice versa. Also, while there are some Christians who do work at following the intricacies of Jewish law, there are many who do not—on the grounds that Jesus made this unnecessary.


  89. 89 | February 28, 2013 4:19 pm

    The Phoenicians going to the New World, I have a little more time for. They came close to circumnavigating Africa for instance (Herodotus noted that they claimed they’d got below the equator, although he didn’t believe it himself). And there’s talk that people who looked like Indians showed up in Britain, who were not from India.

    Not buying the Bronze Age, though. The Babylonians were good astronomers but I don’t think they were that good that early.


  90. brookly red
    90 | February 28, 2013 4:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    There’s a good how on H2 called America uncovered Fridays at 10. It has proven the Minoans had Bronze mines in America.

    oh boyo…I love that stuff…thanks for that

    lake michigan copper shows up in bronze age lebanon.

    dope, blow, and smokes show up in pharo’s tomb.

    and the oval office…


  91. Bumr50
    91 | February 28, 2013 4:19 pm

    Gov. Bobby Jindal @BobbyJindal

    .@WhiteHouse fight with Woodward is a complete sideshow. Instead of fighting out-of-control spending, @WhiteHouse is fighting Woodward
    3:37 PM -- 28 Feb 13

    ht -- Twitchy


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    92 | February 28, 2013 4:19 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I am still waiting for my Zionist cabal check.

    The question is, do you have basic cabal or did you subscribe to the premium package?


  93. 93 | February 28, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Yup, up in Michigan.


  94. Speranza
    94 | February 28, 2013 4:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Both Parties kiss the ass of the Muzz. Part of the reason Romney lost was because he wanted to invade Syria and help al-Qaeda.

    Nobody cared about Syria. That is not why he lost. He lost because he ran a bad and a tardy campaign and had shit advisers. You give the American public too much credit for caring about Foreign Affairs.


  95. brookly red
    95 | February 28, 2013 4:20 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    I am still waiting for my Zionist cabal check.

    The question is, do you have basic cabal or did you subscribe to the premium package?

    I use my rewards points to pay for my gym membership :)


  96. Speranza
    96 | February 28, 2013 4:21 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I am still waiting for my Zionist cabal check.

    The question is, do you have basic cabal or did you subscribe to the premium package?

    Fiber Optic cabal.


  97. 97 | February 28, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ Zimriel:

    It was the Minonas and it was proven the Bronze they had was from Michigan.

    As for The Phoenicians, yes its not that hard to go from Africa over to Brazil.


  98. Buckeye Abroad
    98 | February 28, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ brookly red:

    It’s been a few years, but there used to be an arab priest who used to challagenge the passages of the Koran. He was accused of being responsible for dissuading more muslim youth than anything else in the arab world by simply asking the audience to consider the meaning of the “holy” islamic texts.

    Analysis and self reflection are not friends of Moe’s folk.


  99. heysoos
    99 | February 28, 2013 4:22 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    There’s a good how on H2 called America uncovered Fridays at 10. It has proven the Minoans had Bronze mines in America.
    oh boyo…I love that stuff…thanks for that

    lake michigan copper shows up in bronze age lebanon.
    dope, blow, and smokes show up in pharo’s tomb.

    interesting since there is a direct rout to the Great lakes from the Atlantic, but you’d have to do some sailing up wind I’d think…I don’t know if they were rigged for that…I thought tacking so many degrees off the wind was a mostly modern thing…I don’t know much about it…did they use jibs?…maybe they oared


  100. Lily
    100 | February 28, 2013 4:22 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    DNA proves Lebanese are Phoenicians and not Arabs. Here’s an interesting note: Many Hispanics are partly Lebanese.
    there is a lot of modern speculation a regarding Phoenicians travels…their sailing abilities may have taken them to the New World, leaving a little DNA here and there I guess
    sailors are the bumble bees of humanity
    horny bastages.

    Well drunken sailors aren’t really picky….I’d call them more slutty myself. ;)


  101. 101 | February 28, 2013 4:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Yup, up in Michigan.

    There’s no such thing as a bronz mine. Copper is not bronz.


  102. Speranza
    102 | February 28, 2013 4:23 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    as an orthodox christian i am probably more kosher/jewish than modern secular jews

    A lot of gentiles are.


  103. citizen_q
    103 | February 28, 2013 4:23 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ brookly red:
    Sorry, work intruding upon blogging…….

    I did spend some time on this morning’s thread. Guess I may still be a bit naive, but the election was not a landslide. I can’t shake the feeling that if Romney’s campaign was more aggressive, and slung some of mountains of mud the Obama administration created we would have done better.


  104. Speranza
    104 | February 28, 2013 4:24 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Analysis and self reflection are not friends of Moe’s folk.

    Nor for narcissists and ideologues.


  105. heysoos
    105 | February 28, 2013 4:25 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mike C.:
    Yup, up in Michigan.
    There’s no such thing as a bronz mine. Copper is not bronz.

    right, where did the tin come from, Europe?


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | February 28, 2013 4:25 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Analysis and self reflection are not friends of Moe’s folk.

    Low-info Moes?


  107. 107 | February 28, 2013 4:25 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I meant Cooper.


  108. 108 | February 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    @ Zimriel:

    I meant Cooper, my bad.


  109. Buckeye Abroad
    109 | February 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Commandments.

    Christians -- 10. Jews -- 613

    Good luck with keeping the Temple up to specs.


  110. brookly red
    110 | February 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    well Christians recognize the law of Moses and in fact are Jewish.

    Well…yes and no. Certainly the tenets of Christianity are based on Mosaic law, since that was the basis from which Jesus taught. But in my experience there are things in the Bible which Jews take literally and Christians take symbolically or figuratively, and vice versa. Also, while there are some Christians who do work at following the intricacies of Jewish law, there are many who do not—on the grounds that Jesus made this unnecessary.

    let’s not do this here…


  111. 111 | February 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Yes the tacking is fairly “recent” (say the 16th century recent), and they did use a lot of oar ships back then. The triangular sails on the modern ships allowed them to sail even closer into the wind. Then again, I wonder how old the dhow design is.


  112. heysoos
    112 | February 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Zimriel:
    I meant Cooper, my bad.

    strike two!


  113. Lily
    113 | February 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    besides that, what have the romans done for us?
    Pizza.

    And there it is. A fine product if there ever was one. Very versatile too…so many ways to make it…it is good for dinner and for breakfast. Ask any teenage boy or male of any age.


  114. citizen_q
    114 | February 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    It sure was.

    OTHO, South Korea under martial law was a different world for this 19 year old.


  115. Speranza
    115 | February 28, 2013 4:26 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ brookly red:
    Sorry, work intruding upon blogging…….
    I did spend some time on this morning’s thread. Guess I may still be a bit naive, but the election was not a landslide. I can’t shake the feeling that if Romney’s campaign was more aggressive, and slung some of mountains of mud the Obama administration created we would have done better.

    Actually there are many myths about 2012. One is that it was a landslide, it wasn’t. Second is that Republicans/Conservatives sat it out. Bullshit on that. If any sat it out it was a few million 2008 Obama voters but the problem was that they did not go over to Romney in sufficient numbers to make enough of a difference. Therein lay the problem, the Republican brand was badly damaged.


  116. 116 | February 28, 2013 4:27 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    He might have closed the gap, but OFA had real time voting data. In fact the early exit polls had Romney winning. But then OFA targeted the precincts they needed and won.


  117. buzzsawmonkey
    117 | February 28, 2013 4:27 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    let’s not do this here…

    Not being combative; merely observing differences.


  118. 118 | February 28, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Plus OFA was the difference.


  119. heysoos
    119 | February 28, 2013 4:28 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Yes the tacking is fairly “recent” (say the 16th century recent), and they did use a lot of oar ships back then. The triangular sails on the modern ships allowed them to sail even closer into the wind. Then again, I wonder how old the dhow design is.

    what I was thinking…an old rectangular sail would not get you there…I have no clue how they were rigged…guess I could google it…


  120. Lily
    120 | February 28, 2013 4:28 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Yeah but doesn’t the South Koreans do good at that too? Or is that us doing it for them.
    you got your keeping IN and you got your keeping OUT…

    True…true.


  121. buzzsawmonkey
    121 | February 28, 2013 4:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    right, where did the tin come from, Europe?

    It is my understanding that the Phoenicians obtained tin from mines in Cornwall.


  122. Buckeye Abroad
    122 | February 28, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Low-info Moes?

    Now that is funny!


  123. Speranza
    123 | February 28, 2013 4:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Plus OFA was the difference.

    Those interminably long GOP primaries did not help either and Romney playing at being a hard core social con also rubbed a lot of people the wrong way particularly because clearly he was not.


  124. Lily
    124 | February 28, 2013 4:29 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Well I know for sure the Muslim Brotherhood has been invited a heck lot more often to the White House than anything doing with Israel or the Jewish people.
    Morsi will be soon granted a state visit. You can bet he won’t be ushered through the back door.

    No he will not. It’s shameful to be honest.


  125. citizen_q
    125 | February 28, 2013 4:29 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    It’s been a few years, but there used to be an arab priest who used to challagenge the passages of the Koran. He was accused of being responsible for dissuading more muslim youth than anything else in the arab world by simply asking the audience to consider the meaning of the “holy” islamic texts.
    Analysis and self reflection are not friends of Moe’s folk.

    I think I know who you are talking about. A few of his talks were translated into English on Jihad Watch. From islam’s own scriptures, he talked about mo-ham-head cross dressing, laying with corpses, homosexual acts….

    That the guy?


  126. Bumr50
    126 | February 28, 2013 4:29 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Second is that Republicans/Conservatives sat it out. Bullshit on that.

    Amen.

    Put that one to bed, because it’s not only wrong -- it’s dangerous.


  127. brookly red
    127 | February 28, 2013 4:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    let’s not do this here…

    Not being combative; merely observing differences.

    gottcha just saying if were get all esoterically stupid we will bore the shit out of everyone else.


  128. heysoos
    128 | February 28, 2013 4:31 pm

    @ heysoos:
    a dhow could do it…maybe…I was thinking those old trireme that basically pushed you downwind only, hence the oararge


  129. coldwarrior
    129 | February 28, 2013 4:31 pm

    @ heysoos:

    it is problematic. but the chem breakdown in the metal matches


  130. brookly red
    130 | February 28, 2013 4:31 pm

    Lily wrote:

    shameful to be honest.

    the democrat platform :)


  131. buzzsawmonkey
    131 | February 28, 2013 4:31 pm

    Gotta run, but I’ll leave you with this thought; that these revelations of ancient travels and trade show that it has always been a “world economy.

    People talk about “the world economy” as if it were something new; it isn’t. It’s as old as human beings. Things move faster now, and more people are more directly affected by it—but it has always been there.


  132. coldwarrior
    132 | February 28, 2013 4:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    as an orthodox christian i am probably more kosher/jewish than modern secular jews

    A lot of gentiles are.

    it is what is it.


  133. Lily
    133 | February 28, 2013 4:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Both Parties kiss the ass of the Muzz. Part of the reason Romney lost was because he wanted to invade Syria and help al-Qaeda.
    Nobody cared about Syria. That is not why he lost. He lost becuase he ran a bad and a tardy campaign and had shit advisers. You give the American public too much credit for caring about Foreign Affairs.

    They certainly didn’t care about Benghazi and that was so close to the election and obama got away with it….


  134. 134 | February 28, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Been awhile since I heard about it. A square main sail only allowed you to tack into about 25% where as the triangular sail would allow you to reach almost 60% into the wind. This made the cross Atlantic voyages more efficient and much easier. Think I saw this on either “The Day the Universe Changed” or “Connections”. One of those big technological leaps that changed everything.


  135. Buckeye Abroad
    135 | February 28, 2013 4:33 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    It sure was.

    OTHO, South Korea under martial law was a different world for this 19 year old.

    When were you there?


  136. brookly red
    136 | February 28, 2013 4:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    right, where did the tin come from, Europe?

    It is my understanding that the Phoenicians obtained tin from mines in Cornwall.

    someday folks will speculate how uranium from Utah got into Iraq :)


  137. coldwarrior
    137 | February 28, 2013 4:34 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Commandments.
    Christians — 10. Jews — 613
    Good luck with keeping the Temple up to specs.

    if the 613 arent kept…


  138. Buckeye Abroad
    138 | February 28, 2013 4:36 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Yup. I saw him on a video over at Jihad Watch. Hope he is ok.


  139. heysoos
    139 | February 28, 2013 4:37 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Been awhile since I heard about it. A square main sail only allowed you to tack into about 25% where as the triangular sail would allow you to reach almost 60% into the wind. This made the cross Atlantic voyages more efficient and much easier. Think I saw this on either “The Day the Universe Changed” or “Connections”. One of those big technological leaps that changed everything.

    I didn’t think 25% possible, but that would be enough, but it’d sure take you awhile, but how did they know when to turn?…ancient navigation is pretty interesting…you couldn’t just wait for starlight could you?…what if it’s cloudy?…did they know where they were going in the first place and if not, how did they get back?….those voyages must have been epic


  140. coldwarrior
    140 | February 28, 2013 4:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    right, where did the tin come from, Europe?
    It is my understanding that the Phoenicians obtained tin from mines in Cornwall.

    someday folks will speculate how uranium from Utah got into Iraq

    wha?????

    pretty neat how that works


  141. Lily
    141 | February 28, 2013 4:38 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ brookly red:
    Sorry, work intruding upon blogging…….
    I did spend some time on this morning’s thread. Guess I may still be a bit naive, but the election was not a landslide. I can’t shake the feeling that if Romney’s campaign was more aggressive, and slung some of mountains of mud the Obama administration created we would have done better.

    Maybe and maybe not. The problem was obama and obama himself. I don’t think you could have put ANYONE up against him and win. obama is a whole different story to run against. FREE PHONES!!! The man is like teflon and lets not forget the complete tongue bath the media gives him no matter what he does! obama ran a very negative and really weak campagin…he couldn’t even fill all the seats at his rallies…but because he is the first or he is cool (I just don’t see the cool…dork oh hell yeah..cool nope) ….he basically wins by default.


  142. citizen_q
    142 | February 28, 2013 4:39 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    1980 -- 81


  143. coldwarrior
    143 | February 28, 2013 4:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    how long is it by sail from the nearest point of africa and south america?


  144. Bumr50
    144 | February 28, 2013 4:40 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    someday folks will speculate how uranium from Utah got into Iraq

    Tunnel.

    Duuuuhh…

    /


  145. Buckeye Abroad
    145 | February 28, 2013 4:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    if the 613 arent kept…

    We look through the same glass.

    Doppelgänger.


  146. Buckeye Abroad
    146 | February 28, 2013 4:42 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    1980 — 81

    Where in the ROK were you stationed?


  147. brookly red
    147 | February 28, 2013 4:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    besides that, what have the romans done for us?
    Pizza.

    And there it is. A fine product if there ever was one. Very versatile too…so many ways to make it…it is good for dinner and for breakfast. Ask any teenage boy or male of any age.

    my local Sicilians make a breakfast pizza (for personal consumption, not for sale) ricotta, mozzarella, spinach, eggs & touch of cream baked on a pizza crust… sometimes mushrooms, onions, meat or even smoked salmon.


  148. 148 | February 28, 2013 4:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Romney should have been who was all along, an Eisenhower Republican.


  149. brookly red
    149 | February 28, 2013 4:44 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    right, where did the tin come from, Europe?
    It is my understanding that the Phoenicians obtained tin from mines in Cornwall.

    someday folks will speculate how uranium from Utah got into Iraq

    wha?????

    pretty neat how that works

    I was pretty sure you would get it :)


  150. 150 | February 28, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Probably were. We are so used to fast travel now. Even with the tall ships the trans-Atlantic voyages were weeks in lenghth. Even with cargo ships back in the 1950′s it was a week or two to get from say West Coast Africa to the port of New Orleans (mom made that voyage several times). Now we can cross oceans in half a day.


  151. heysoos
    151 | February 28, 2013 4:46 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    how long is it by sail from the nearest point of africa and south america?

    I think it’s only about 1500mi…I think the Phoenicians must have used oars and what tack they could get off their sails


  152. coldwarrior
    152 | February 28, 2013 4:47 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    if the 613 arent kept…
    We look through the same glass.
    Doppelgänger.

    quit messin wiff me.

    :lol


  153. 153 | February 28, 2013 4:48 pm

    Romney will go down in history as being the most misunderstood man to ever run for president. If he were able to run the country like he did his family and business and personal life, the US would have literal streets of gold. His Mass. record has been miscontrued, contorted and demonized. when Romney lost the election, America lost big time.


  154. coldwarrior
    154 | February 28, 2013 4:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    my man tommy makes something similar. its good to have gone to HS with the local pizza guru


  155. Lily
    155 | February 28, 2013 4:50 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Gotta run, but I’ll leave you with this thought; that these revelations of ancient travels and trade show that it has always been a “world economy.”
    People talk about “the world economy” as if it were something new; it isn’t. It’s as old as human beings. Things move faster now, and more people are more directly affected by it—but it has always been there.

    And hence: There is nothing new under the sun!


  156. Da_Beerfreak
    156 | February 28, 2013 4:50 pm

    Here’s one for the Folks that like thinking ‘outside of the box’.
    Where No Man (or Woman) Has Gone Before
    Dennis Tito’s plan to go to Mars by 2018 has skeptics scoffing and space buffs cheering.


  157. 157 | February 28, 2013 4:50 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    Romney did not realize what he was up against. Also, the real Romney did now appear until The 1st debate Oct. 3rd.


  158. citizen_q
    158 | February 28, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ Lily:
    I hear you,

    Guess I am out of touch. Just watching him, looking in his eyes, his body language, the obvious lies, juvenile shifting of blame. I don’t care how many talking heads try to sell him, it all screams out a disturbed individual not to be trusted with the reigns of power. I don’t care who screams racist. It isn’t true. It’s the content of his character not the color of his skin.

    People have to deal with others all their life, even young people. I find it hard to believe that people have not run into this type of personality and learned to give them a wide berth.


  159. coldwarrior
    159 | February 28, 2013 4:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    how long is it by sail from the nearest point of africa and south america?

    I think it’s only about 1500mi…I think the Phoenicians must have used oars and what tack they could get off their sails

    strong backs and sails gets that in 3 days


  160. 160 | February 28, 2013 4:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    @ brookly red:
    Sorry, work intruding upon blogging…….
    I did spend some time on this morning’s thread. Guess I may still be a bit naive, but the election was not a landslide. I can’t shake the feeling that if Romney’s campaign was more aggressive, and slung some of mountains of mud the Obama administration created we would have done better.
    Maybe and maybe not. The problem was obama and obama himself. I don’t think you could have put ANYONE up against him and win. obama is a whole different story to run against. FREE PHONES!!! The man is like teflon and lets not forget the complete tongue bath the media gives him no matter what he does! obama ran a very negative and really weak campagin…he couldn’t even fill all the seats at his rallies…but because he is the first or he is cool (I just don’t see the cool…dork oh hell yeah..cool nope) ….he basically wins by default.

    It wasn’t just free phones and stuff, it was voting fraud on an epic scale. Obama stole the election outright.


  161. citizen_q
    161 | February 28, 2013 4:52 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    Camp Casey


  162. 162 | February 28, 2013 4:54 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    Sorry, the voting fraud excuse is a cop out. Obama has OFA which uses data mining, behavioral analysts and paid volunteers. Romney had nothing to match that.


  163. heysoos
    163 | February 28, 2013 4:54 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    my man tommy makes something similar. its good to have gone to HS with the local pizza guru

    ha!…one of my best buddies went into the pizza business…excellent pies…he had three shops and always does me a little something when I see him


  164. Buckeye Abroad
    164 | February 28, 2013 4:57 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    when Romney lost the election, America lost big time.

    Then America didn’t deserve him. Which tells me what America deserves is coming soon like a thief in the night.


  165. Lily
    165 | February 28, 2013 4:58 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Romney will go down in history as being the most misunderstood man to ever run for president. If he were able to run the country like he did his family and business and personal life, the US would have literal streets of gold. His Mass. record has been miscontrued, contorted and demonized. when Romney lost the election, America lost big time.

    The more I knew of Romney the more I liked him. There was good in him. Not so much with obama. People can’t see the good/bad difference anymore…well at least 1/2 of them. Obama won by winning the cities…the rest of the country went for Romney. It is disturbing that only the city folk get to pick who is the president now isn’t it?


  166. heysoos
    166 | February 28, 2013 4:58 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    how long is it by sail from the nearest point of africa and south america?
    I think it’s only about 1500mi…I think the Phoenicians must have used oars and what tack they could get off their sails

    strong backs and sails gets that in 3 days

    yup, and once they figured out the circular aspect of the Atlantic trade winds, they could cover a huge amount of territory…parts of four continents…makes sense


  167. 167 | February 28, 2013 4:58 pm

    For Valentine’s day I gave my wife a 2 lb box of See’s, my mother-in-law a 1 lb. box and my little girls each got a little heart-shaped box of See’s. No one has shared with me. Not that I expected them to, but still. . . . So on Friday I ordered myself a 2 lb box of mixed nut-cremes from Cumming’s Studio Candies in Salt Lake, to be delivered to my office. UPS is late today. I’m about ready to eat the fortune cookie left over from last weeks Panda take out.


  168. Da_Beerfreak
    168 | February 28, 2013 4:58 pm

    @ father_of_10:
    Right on!!
    Nothing is going to change until we deal with the iceberg called election fraud; everything else is just deckchairs on the Titanic.


  169. coldwarrior
    169 | February 28, 2013 4:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    my man tommy makes something similar. its good to have gone to HS with the local pizza guru

    ha!…one of my best buddies went into the pizza business…excellent pies…he had three shops and always does me a little something when I see him

    my man has one shop. the help know its me by the order…

    back in the day my family was the only non italians on that side of town. i miss that, the yentas are dead, the papi’s are too. the old neighborhood has no cohesion. there is no watchful eye anymore.


  170. coldwarrior
    170 | February 28, 2013 5:01 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    how long is it by sail from the nearest point of africa and south america?
    I think it’s only about 1500mi…I think the Phoenicians must have used oars and what tack they could get off their sails
    strong backs and sails gets that in 3 days

    yup, and once they figured out the circular aspect of the Atlantic trade winds, they could cover a huge amount of territory…parts of four continents…makes sense

    blow, dope, and ciggies in the pharos’s tombs.


  171. coldwarrior
    171 | February 28, 2013 5:03 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    For Valentine’s day I gave my wife a 2 lb box of See’s, my mother-in-law a 1 lb. box and my little girls each got a little heart-shaped box of See’s. No one has shared with me. Not that I expected them to, but still. . . . So on Friday I ordered myself a 2 lb box of mixed nut-cremes from Cumming’s Studio Candies in Salt Lake, to be delivered to my office. UPS is late today. I’m about ready to eat the fortune cookie left over from last weeks Panda take out.

    wait what? ups is late. they are never late. i’m getting hives and all twitchy just reading that and i havent worked for them in 15 years.

    no hahasmilyface. really.


  172. heysoos
    172 | February 28, 2013 5:04 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    tobacco is definitely New World…in fact our first colonial export


  173. coldwarrior
    173 | February 28, 2013 5:05 pm

    one of the twins just jammed something into the really expensive subwoofer…..


  174. Bumr50
    174 | February 28, 2013 5:06 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Romney will go down in history as being the most misunderstood man to ever run for president.

    WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?


  175. coldwarrior
    175 | February 28, 2013 5:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    tobacco is definitely New World…in fact our first colonial export

    hey man, pharo needed a side chew.


  176. Buckeye Abroad
    176 | February 28, 2013 5:06 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    Camp Casey

    Ah. Spent some time there in 88′ though based near Daegu with 8th Army. Marshal Law lifted in 83′ I believe. I still have fond memories of the place.

    Spoke to a guy my age who was there in 89′-- went back in 03′ and said the place has completey changed. All modern and is simply no comparison to the 80′s.


  177. coldwarrior
    177 | February 28, 2013 5:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    one of the twins just jammed something into the really expensive subwoofer…..

    RRRAAAAAAAATTTTTTTLLLLLLLLLE!

    :lol:


  178. coldwarrior
    178 | February 28, 2013 5:08 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    Romney will go down in history as being the most misunderstood man to ever run for president.
    WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?

    uhhh….

    everyone but him?

    :lol:


  179. brookly red
    179 | February 28, 2013 5:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ father_of_10:

    Sorry, the voting fraud excuse is a cop out. Obama has OFA which uses data mining, behavioral analysts and paid volunteers. Romney had nothing to match that.

    no, that’s like saying Romney lost the fight because O had a blackjack AND brass knuckles… it’s not either or it was both.


  180. brookly red
    180 | February 28, 2013 5:12 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    tobacco is definitely New World…in fact our first colonial export

    that and beaver… choose your reply carefully.


  181. coldwarrior
    181 | February 28, 2013 5:13 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    heh. i had pinpoint orders from berlin after dli. got to mp school and at graduation, my di said in front of the platoon:

    “if he is going to berlin i will suck his dick”

    i got to arest him 4 months later in the city for beating his wife.

    i took great pleasure in the process.


  182. coldwarrior
    182 | February 28, 2013 5:15 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    that and beaver… choose your reply carefully.

    ha.

    you dont live where i live. if you knew where you would laugh at this


  183. heysoos
    183 | February 28, 2013 5:16 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    tobacco is definitely New World…in fact our first colonial export

    that and beaver… choose your reply carefully.

    before colonization, the Brits would take perfect white pines near the coast to be used as masts…factoid


  184. heysoos
    184 | February 28, 2013 5:16 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    that and beaver… choose your reply carefully.
    ha.
    you dont live where i live. if you knew where you would laugh at this

    Beaver, Penn?


  185. citizen_q
    185 | February 28, 2013 5:18 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    Camp Casey

    Ah. Spent some time there in 88′ though based near Daegu with 8th Army. Marshal Law lifted in 83′ I believe. I still have fond memories of the place.
    Spoke to a guy my age who was there in 89′-- went back in 03′ and said the place has completey changed. All modern and is simply no comparison to the 80′s.

    LOL! 8th Army? REMF! LOL! I kid, I kid.

    When I went down South say to Yangsan, they’d see that Indian Head patch and give you the look.

    When I was there we were living in Quanset huts for most of the year. They kicked us out of those for a while when they were doing some work and we lived out of GP mediums for a while. Even when we moved back into the Quanset huts the heaters would not work very well. We sometimes would start fires for warmth in the small metal trash cans we had. OTOH, alcohol was cheap, and they did not care if we brought our own beer into the battalion theatre.

    Good Times.


  186. coldwarrior
    186 | February 28, 2013 5:19 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    that and beaver… choose your reply carefully.
    ha.
    you dont live where i live. if you knew where you would laugh at this

    Beaver, Penn?

    from my perch on the hill, i can see the county courthouse clock.


  187. coldwarrior
    187 | February 28, 2013 5:19 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    REMF!

    :lol:

    we used to call everyone in the army that


  188. 188 | February 28, 2013 5:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    one of the twins just jammed something into the really expensive subwoofer…..

    That’s easy. My twins are starting to wear bras. shudder . . . it’s beginning.


  189. heysoos
    189 | February 28, 2013 5:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    that and beaver… choose your reply carefully.
    ha.
    you dont live where i live. if you knew where you would laugh at this
    Beaver, Penn?

    from my perch on the hill, i can see the county courthouse clock.

    been through there many times going east from Michigan….mighty pretty country…some crazy wild football along in there


  190. Lily
    190 | February 28, 2013 5:22 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Hey even Catholic’s went for obama when they were told….THE MAN IS A LIAR DO NOT TRUST HIM!
    Unbelievable to be honest. 1/2 of the Catholic’s voted for him when he was persecuting the Church! I actually was shocked at that.


  191. Lily
    191 | February 28, 2013 5:23 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    citizen_q wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    @ brookly red:
    Sorry, work intruding upon blogging…….
    I did spend some time on this morning’s thread. Guess I may still be a bit naive, but the election was not a landslide. I can’t shake the feeling that if Romney’s campaign was more aggressive, and slung some of mountains of mud the Obama administration created we would have done better.
    Maybe and maybe not. The problem was obama and obama himself. I don’t think you could have put ANYONE up against him and win. obama is a whole different story to run against. FREE PHONES!!! The man is like teflon and lets not forget the complete tongue bath the media gives him no matter what he does! obama ran a very negative and really weak campagin…he couldn’t even fill all the seats at his rallies…but because he is the first or he is cool (I just don’t see the cool…dork oh hell yeah..cool nope) ….he basically wins by default.
    It wasn’t just free phones and stuff, it was voting fraud on an epic scale. Obama stole the election outright.

    That too.


  192. brookly red
    192 | February 28, 2013 5:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ citizen_q:

    Hey even Catholic’s went for obama when they were told….THE MAN IS A LIAR DO NOT TRUST HIM!
    Unbelievable to be honest. 1/2 of the Catholic’s voted for him when he was persecuting the Church! I actually was shocked at that.

    CINOs


  193. brookly red
    193 | February 28, 2013 5:26 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    Right on!!
    Nothing is going to change until we deal with the iceberg called election fraud; everything else is just deckchairs on the Titanic.

    1.5 million in CA alone… look data mining and social media is all good but the real ROI is fraud. Period. It costs next to nothing and it works.


  194. Lily
    194 | February 28, 2013 5:28 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    For Valentine’s day I gave my wife a 2 lb box of See’s, my mother-in-law a 1 lb. box and my little girls each got a little heart-shaped box of See’s. No one has shared with me. Not that I expected them to, but still. . . . So on Friday I ordered myself a 2 lb box of mixed nut-cremes from Cumming’s Studio Candies in Salt Lake, to be delivered to my office. UPS is late today. I’m about ready to eat the fortune cookie left over from last weeks Panda take out.
    wait what? ups is late. they are never late. i’m getting hives and all twitchy just reading that and i havent worked for them in 15 years.
    no hahasmilyface. really.

    They run late down here…Fedex is early …UPS is afternoons and even early evening.


  195. coldwarrior
    195 | February 28, 2013 5:31 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    soju


  196. coldwarrior
    196 | February 28, 2013 5:32 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    one of the twins just jammed something into the really expensive subwoofer…..
    That’s easy. My twins are starting to wear bras. shudder . . . it’s beginning.

    nunnery.

    easy.


  197. brookly red
    197 | February 28, 2013 5:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ citizen_q:

    soju

    got 3 pints in the fridge :)


  198. Da_Beerfreak
    198 | February 28, 2013 5:33 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    Right on!!
    Nothing is going to change until we deal with the iceberg called election fraud; everything else is just deckchairs on the Titanic.

    1.5 million in CA alone… look data mining and social media is all good but the real ROI is fraud. Period. It costs next to nothing and it works.

    OFA and data mining just makes the use of fraud more precise and pinpoints where a ‘little’ fraud can turn a close precinct.


  199. citizen_q
    199 | February 28, 2013 5:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    REMF!

    we used to call everyone in the army that

    Don’t get to use it much anymore.

    Don’t get to use those oh so unPC cadence calls I learned running PT much either. My wife has no interest in learning, and is not amused when I start in when we go for a walk.


  200. citizen_q
    200 | February 28, 2013 5:36 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    soju

    Ever try Oscar or Mokli?


  201. coldwarrior
    201 | February 28, 2013 5:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    crazy wild football

    religion.

    quip v ambridge.

    it just gets silly from there


  202. coldwarrior
    202 | February 28, 2013 5:38 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    citizen_q wrote:
    REMF!
    we used to call everyone in the army that

    Don’t get to use it much anymore.
    Don’t get to use those oh so unPC cadence calls I learned running PT much either. My wife has no interest in learning, and is not amused when I start in when we go for a walk.

    berlin brigade called everyone remf.


  203. brookly red
    203 | February 28, 2013 5:38 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    Right on!!
    Nothing is going to change until we deal with the iceberg called election fraud; everything else is just deckchairs on the Titanic.

    1.5 million in CA alone… look data mining and social media is all good but the real ROI is fraud. Period. It costs next to nothing and it works.

    OFA and data mining just makes the use of fraud more precise and pinpoints where a ‘little’ fraud can turn a close precinct.

    bingo! now they can deliver the fraud much more efficiently. I saw them filling out mail in ballots for tourists using their hotel addresses… why did they bother? NYC is blue?


  204. 204 | February 28, 2013 5:39 pm

    My chocolates just arrived. With shipping I paid avout $40 a pound. I’m NOT sharing with anyone.


  205. coldwarrior
    205 | February 28, 2013 5:40 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ citizen_q:
    soju

    Ever try Oscar or Mokli?

    we get soju here in the lcb store. good enough for me. the korean booze is amazing.

    i’ll stick to shots of vodka and a neat single malt.


  206. Da_Beerfreak
    206 | February 28, 2013 5:41 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    Right on!!
    Nothing is going to change until we deal with the iceberg called election fraud; everything else is just deckchairs on the Titanic.

    1.5 million in CA alone… look data mining and social media is all good but the real ROI is fraud. Period. It costs next to nothing and it works.

    OFA and data mining just makes the use of fraud more precise and pinpoints where a ‘little’ fraud can turn a close precinct.

    Oh?!? What’s this??

    I just got the memo from the D’Rats.
    They say there is no election fraud.
    It’s all just a Rightwing cop-out.

    Never mind…


  207. citizen_q
    208 | February 28, 2013 5:44 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    2nd ID called everyone else in South Korea REMF.


  208. Lily
    209 | February 28, 2013 5:45 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    tobacco is definitely New World…in fact our first colonial export
    hey man, pharo needed a side chew.

    Really he spit like a red-neck?


  209. coldwarrior
    210 | February 28, 2013 5:45 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    My chocolates just arrived

    i am no longer twitchy.


  210. coldwarrior
    211 | February 28, 2013 5:46 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    2nd ID called everyone else in South Korea REMF.

    berlin called 2id remf.


  211. 212 | February 28, 2013 5:47 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    My chocolates just arrived
    i am no longer twitchy.

    The driver is new. He is also a bit thicker than the UPS drivers I usually see. They’ll have him worn down to a nub pretty quick.


  212. Lily
    213 | February 28, 2013 5:47 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ citizen_q:
    Hey even Catholic’s went for obama when they were told….THE MAN IS A LIAR DO NOT TRUST HIM!
    Unbelievable to be honest. 1/2 of the Catholic’s voted for him when he was persecuting the Church! I actually was shocked at that.
    CINOs

    Big time. Just terrible in my opinion. Terrible.


  213. citizen_q
    214 | February 28, 2013 5:49 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ citizen_q:
    soju
    Ever try Oscar or Mokli?

    we get soju here in the lcb store. good enough for me. the korean booze is amazing.
    i’ll stick to shots of vodka and a neat single malt.

    A good plan.

    Oscar and Mokli are notable only in their being such vile concoctions. Their chief qualities being they contained alcohol and being cheap. PFCs and Spec4 did not have much in take home pay.

    Oscar was like kool-aid champaign. Makli was milk colored, maybe because it was rice based? and reported to have formaldehyde added to an extra kick.

    Never tried mokli myself.


  214. coldwarrior
    215 | February 28, 2013 5:49 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    OFA and data mining just makes the use of fraud more precise and pinpoints where a ‘little’ fraud can turn a close precinct.

    what?

    how dare they use teck to win!

    lets have mass mailings instead!!!!

    grumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumble


  215. Lily
    216 | February 28, 2013 5:50 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    My chocolates just arrived
    i am no longer twitchy.

    Now I am ….I’m the only female on the thread. :shock:


  216. citizen_q
    217 | February 28, 2013 5:51 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    LOL!

    Must have been interesting duty.


  217. brookly red
    218 | February 28, 2013 5:51 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ citizen_q:
    Hey even Catholic’s went for obama when they were told….THE MAN IS A LIAR DO NOT TRUST HIM!
    Unbelievable to be honest. 1/2 of the Catholic’s voted for him when he was persecuting the Church! I actually was shocked at that.
    CINOs

    Big time. Just terrible in my opinion. Terrible.

    I am not a Catholic. Having said that I think anyone who supports abortion can not claim to be Catholic. If the Church chooses to not to excommunicate them then it is an internal matter for the Church.


  218. Lily
    219 | February 28, 2013 5:51 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    father_of_10 wrote:
    My chocolates just arrived
    i am no longer twitchy.
    The driver is new. He is also a bit thicker than the UPS drivers I usually see. They’ll have him worn down to a nub pretty quick.

    Right now his name is *Tiny* I bet…. ;)


  219. coldwarrior
    220 | February 28, 2013 5:52 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    The driver is new. He is also a bit thicker than the UPS drivers I usually see.

    in no time.

    i was in air assault shape when i worked for them. effin awesome company.


  220. brookly red
    221 | February 28, 2013 5:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    My chocolates just arrived
    i am no longer twitchy.

    Now I am ….I’m the only female on the thread.

    that is no excuse to kill it ;)


  221. heysoos
    222 | February 28, 2013 5:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    it’s starting… http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroit-mayor-dave-bing-says-governor-rick-snyder-will-announce-a-state-takeover-on-friday

    a pretty big deal, the blueprint for a bunch of other contenders


  222. citizen_q
    223 | February 28, 2013 5:53 pm

    Hannity on his radio show said they were doing a background check on Keith Ellison on the TV show later tonight.

    Wonder if they’ve discovered he’s muslim? /


  223. Lily
    224 | February 28, 2013 5:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ citizen_q:
    Hey even Catholic’s went for obama when they were told….THE MAN IS A LIAR DO NOT TRUST HIM!
    Unbelievable to be honest. 1/2 of the Catholic’s voted for him when he was persecuting the Church! I actually was shocked at that.
    CINOs
    Big time. Just terrible in my opinion. Terrible.
    I am not a Catholic. Having said that I think anyone who supports abortion can not claim to be Catholic. If the Church chooses to not to excommunicate them then it is an internal matter for the Church.

    You are correct to be honest. The problem is they don’t tell the priest about their belief’s about abortion. My thinking is if they are pro-abortion then they should go to another Church. The Church would only know about their belief’s about abortion if they went public….I’m thinking Nancy P. here.


  224. Buckeye Abroad
    225 | February 28, 2013 5:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i got to arest him 4 months later in the city for beating his wife.
    i took great pleasure in the process.

    I believe you, but it doesn’t phase me in the least. If you try to convey any other incidents you witnessed-- no one will believe you anyway. Been there.


  225. coldwarrior
    226 | February 28, 2013 5:55 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    LOL!
    Must have been interesting duty.

    the best. got to see the wall come down in my own city.

    that footage in 89, reagans speech… i was there.


  226. Da_Beerfreak
    227 | February 28, 2013 5:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    OFA and data mining just makes the use of fraud more precise and pinpoints where a ‘little’ fraud can turn a close precinct.

    what?

    how dare they use teck to win!

    lets have mass mailings instead!!!!

    grumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumble

    IT works for both the Light Side and the Dark Side, it’s nothing but a bunch of ones and zeros…


  227. Lily
    228 | February 28, 2013 5:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    father_of_10 wrote:
    My chocolates just arrived
    i am no longer twitchy.
    Now I am ….I’m the only female on the thread.
    that is no excuse to kill it

    It’s still alive….for now. HA HA HA HA! ;)


  228. coldwarrior
    229 | February 28, 2013 5:56 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    yep.


  229. citizen_q
    230 | February 28, 2013 5:57 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Wasn’t this the same council complaining that when obama won they did not get enough pork sent their way as spoils.


  230. 231 | February 28, 2013 5:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    it’s starting… http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroit-mayor-dave-bing-says-governor-rick-snyder-will-announce-a-state-takeover-on-friday
    a pretty big deal, the blueprint for a bunch of other contenders

    Having the state takeover a city of that size can only happen because of decades of failed leadership. Any city of that size should have developed a self-sustaining prosperity that would continue to attract businesses even after major employers left or the business climate changed. Good cities with coherent laws and reasonable taxes and city expenses attract properity. Detroit is failing failed because of liberal policies. A state takeover is not going to solve anything unless they ditch the liberal policies of high taxes and even higher pensions and stupid salaries to stupid people.

    What business would want to relocate to Detroit?


  231. coldwarrior
    232 | February 28, 2013 5:59 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    OFA and data mining just makes the use of fraud more precise and pinpoints where a ‘little’ fraud can turn a close precinct.
    what?
    how dare they use teck to win!
    lets have mass mailings instead!!!!
    grumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumble

    IT works for both the Light Side and the Dark Side, it’s nothing but a bunch of ones and zeros…

    WHAT!!! grumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumble

    electrons spin, meh, new tech….

    grumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumble

    whatdothoseyoungins know? grumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumblegrumblegrumblegetoffmylawngrumpblegrumble


  232. brookly red
    233 | February 28, 2013 5:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    it’s starting… http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroit-mayor-dave-bing-says-governor-rick-snyder-will-announce-a-state-takeover-on-friday

    a pretty big deal, the blueprint for a bunch of other contenders

    yes, liberalism is failing and in Detroit no less. Where did all that bail out money go? I could have run Spain for 10 years on that.


  233. heysoos
    234 | February 28, 2013 6:00 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Wasn’t this the same council complaining that when obama won they did not get enough pork sent their way as spoils.

    yes, sadly


  234. brookly red
    235 | February 28, 2013 6:00 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    it’s starting… http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroit-mayor-dave-bing-says-governor-rick-snyder-will-announce-a-state-takeover-on-friday
    a pretty big deal, the blueprint for a bunch of other contenders

    Having the state takeover a city of that size can only happen because of decades of failed leadership. Any city of that size should have developed a self-sustaining prosperity that would continue to attract businesses even after major employers left or the business climate changed. Good cities with coherent laws and reasonable taxes and city expenses attract properity. Detroit is failing failed because of liberal policies. A state takeover is not going to solve anything unless they ditch the liberal policies of high taxes and even higher pensions and stupid salaries to stupid people.

    What business would want to relocate to Detroit?

    Jebus it’s Detroit not just any failed city. Detroit! Hello where did the bail out go?


  235. coldwarrior
    236 | February 28, 2013 6:01 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    when the commiesdems in allegheny county see this…

    looks like the surrounding counties will have to do like last time, tax us, we vote in your city election.

    :lol:

    dems


  236. citizen_q
    237 | February 28, 2013 6:02 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    LOL!
    Must have been interesting duty.

    the best. got to see the wall come down in my own city.
    that footage in 89, reagans speech… i was there.

    Wow! Major doings.

    We just had Tong duchon Dong, the town adjacent to the base. It was only famous for its hookers, sleazy bars and astronomical incidents of VD.


  237. citizen_q
    238 | February 28, 2013 6:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Wasn’t this the same council complaining that when obama won they did not get enough pork sent their way as spoils.

    yes, sadly

    I think we are zeroing in on the problem.


  238. Lily
    239 | February 28, 2013 6:05 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    it’s starting… http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroit-mayor-dave-bing-says-governor-rick-snyder-will-announce-a-state-takeover-on-friday
    a pretty big deal, the blueprint for a bunch of other contenders
    Having the state takeover a city of that size can only happen because of decades of failed leadership. Any city of that size should have developed a self-sustaining prosperity that would continue to attract businesses even after major employers left or the business climate changed. Good cities with coherent laws and reasonable taxes and city expenses attract properity. Detroit is failing failed because of liberal policies. A state takeover is not going to solve anything unless they ditch the liberal policies of high taxes and even higher pensions and stupid salaries to stupid people.
    What business would want to relocate to Detroit?

    They are probably doing this because they can’t afford to have police to keep down crime, keep the streets in decent repair…the whole city is falling apart and there are not enough taxes coming in to fund it…sad really. But hey this is what happens when dem’s are in charge….you’d think someone would get a clue by now.


  239. Lily
    240 | February 28, 2013 6:06 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Michelle’s vacations…just a guess..


  240. coldwarrior
    241 | February 28, 2013 6:08 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Wow! Major doings.

    yessir, was 287th mp. worked the famous checkpoint charlie. this formerly handsome, dashing, and photogenic MP would walk up to the line between the free world and godless communism, put his highly polished jump boots just so, put a hand on the 5 round mag in the 1911 and stare at the commies who had thousands of rounds on their side and didnt look nearly as dashing as us.

    every morning for 3 months i would walk to the line with my 5 rounds, sip my coffee, and call the rest of the DoD remf assed bitches.


  241. Buckeye Abroad
    242 | February 28, 2013 6:08 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    LOL! 8th Army? REMF! LOL! I kid, I kid.

    No worries. I spent some time on the DMZ and then went south to Casey on the road home. I always digged the 2ID patch…8th Army “flaming wheel from hell?” Who are they trying to kid. My long dead barber from my home town was with the 8th in 1950… Pusan perímeter… bad news. Funny tihng I heard, is that due to the dismal performance of 8th Army in the early stages of the Korean Confict, and as the cease fire is still in tact, the US 8th Army is not allowed to come home. They will remain until the end.

    “When I went down South say to Yangsan, they’d see that Indian Head patch and give you the look.”

    Envy is an ugly thing to behold.

    Good Times.

    They were for us all.


  242. eaglesoars
    243 | February 28, 2013 6:08 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    So on Friday I ordered myself a 2 lb box of mixed nut-cremes from Cumming’s Studio Candies in Salt Lake

    That is an OUTRAGE!!

    Allow me to introduce you to Redstone Candy.
    Best. Evah.


  243. heysoos
    244 | February 28, 2013 6:08 pm

    I used to visit Detroit quite a lot, much of the surrounding area is doing pretty well, but the city proper is sunk, everybody knows the how and why, but in terms of moving forward they have one thing going for them, the mayor, Dave Bing…a real stand up guy who loves the city he played for…Bing is no gangster and from here on out he’ll do the right thing…it’s going to be a very tough, uphill slog, but I hope something works…life is just miserable over there and not everybody is black or lazy…trouble is who will pitch in?…it’s gotta be the people themselves…there is talk of simply eliminating whole neighborhoods, condensing folks closer together, clean the place up…it’s a whole new thing, a new urban experiment and I really hope it works, because other towns have the same sorts of problems…it’s not just about money, it’s about changing attitudes, finding new ways to do things


  244. Da_Beerfreak
    245 | February 28, 2013 6:11 pm

    Coming soon to a theater near you…

    ESCAPE FROM DETROIT. :shock:


  245. citizen_q
    246 | February 28, 2013 6:11 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    “When I went down South say to Yangsan, they’d see that Indian Head patch and give you the look.”

    Envy is an ugly thing to behold.

    I got the feeling they were hoping I wouldn’t start breaking things.


  246. brookly red
    247 | February 28, 2013 6:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    it’s starting… http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/detroit-mayor-dave-bing-says-governor-rick-snyder-will-announce-a-state-takeover-on-friday
    a pretty big deal, the blueprint for a bunch of other contenders
    Having the state takeover a city of that size can only happen because of decades of failed leadership. Any city of that size should have developed a self-sustaining prosperity that would continue to attract businesses even after major employers left or the business climate changed. Good cities with coherent laws and reasonable taxes and city expenses attract properity. Detroit is failing failed because of liberal policies. A state takeover is not going to solve anything unless they ditch the liberal policies of high taxes and even higher pensions and stupid salaries to stupid people.
    What business would want to relocate to Detroit?

    They are probably doing this because they can’t afford to have police to keep down crime, keep the streets in decent repair…the whole city is falling apart and there are not enough taxes coming in to fund it…sad really. But hey this is what happens when dem’s are in charge….you’d think someone would get a clue by now.

    this is not Allentown this is Detroit this is where cars used to come from (not like any Americans can afford cars)http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cars-increasingly-reach-many-americans-145957880.html

    this is a lib fail


  247. Lily
    248 | February 28, 2013 6:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Well it is about funding the fundamentals to keep the city safe (police and courts and everything that goes with that) and in repair …. those two things are major problems that can destroy a city.


  248. Lily
    249 | February 28, 2013 6:13 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Oh I agree…


  249. heysoos
    250 | February 28, 2013 6:15 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Detroit was a wealthy bustling, vibrant city…world renown for cars and music, high education and the fine arts…all gone…
    and there is a ‘this could happen to you’ sense about it…I’m not gonna sit here and diss them for it, that part is over, and I appreciate you don’t either


  250. brookly red
    251 | February 28, 2013 6:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I used to visit Detroit quite a lot, much of the surrounding area is doing pretty well, but the city proper is sunk, everybody knows the how and why, but in terms of moving forward they have one thing going for them, the mayor, Dave Bing…a real stand up guy who loves the city he played for…Bing is no gangster and from here on out he’ll do the right thing…it’s going to be a very tough, uphill slog, but I hope something works…life is just miserable over there and not everybody is black or lazy…trouble is who will pitch in?…it’s gotta be the people themselves…there is talk of simply eliminating whole neighborhoods, condensing folks closer together, clean the place up…it’s a whole new thing, a new urban experiment and I really hope it works, because other towns have the same sorts of problems…it’s not just about money, it’s about changing attitudes, finding new ways to do things

    I got an idea a new way of doing things… all this infrastructure in place to build cars… we they could sell it to auto makers with no union ties? just a thought.


  251. coldwarrior
    252 | February 28, 2013 6:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    Wow! Major doings.
    yessir, was 287th mp. worked the famous checkpoint charlie. this formerly handsome, dashing, and photogenic MP would walk up to the line between the free world and godless communism, put his highly polished jump boots just so, put a hand on the 5 round mag in the 1911 and stare at the commies who had thousands of rounds on their side and didnt look nearly as dashing as us.
    every morning for 3 months i would walk to the line with my 5 rounds, sip my coffee, and call the rest of the DoD remf assed bitches.

    tip of the spear.

    literally.


  252. heysoos
    253 | February 28, 2013 6:18 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Well it is about funding the fundamentals to keep the city safe (police and courts and everything that goes with that) and in repair …. those two things are major problems that can destroy a city.

    yeah, I have a feeling it’s gonna get even worse before it turns around…people are not paying property tax, the cops are rare, streelights don’t even work and get pillaged for the metals…think Mogadishu, it’s almost as bad


  253. coldwarrior
    254 | February 28, 2013 6:18 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Detroit was a wealthy bustling, vibrant city

    was there recently.

    beruit, 85


  254. coldwarrior
    255 | February 28, 2013 6:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    all this infrastructure in place to build cars… we they could sell it to auto makers with no union ties?

    not in MI.

    youd have to move all the machines out of state. it isnt worth it.


  255. brookly red
    256 | February 28, 2013 6:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Detroit was a wealthy bustling, vibrant city…world renown for cars and music, high education and the fine arts…all gone…
    and there is a ‘this could happen to you’ sense about it…I’m not gonna sit here and diss them for it, that part is over, and I appreciate you don’t either

    well it’s not a this could happen to you, it is this IS happening to you. I have no joy in the death of a great American city. I only want the killers brought to justice.


  256. heysoos
    257 | February 28, 2013 6:21 pm

    @ brookly red:
    fine idea, but there would be an instant shortage of skilled labor…whatever solutions they decide on will cause harm to somebody, maybe lots of people…but there is no choice now


  257. Buckeye Abroad
    258 | February 28, 2013 6:21 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    LOL!
    Must have been interesting duty.

    the best. got to see the wall come down in my own city.

    that footage in 89, reagans speech… i was there.

    I was sitting in Karlsruhe when the wall came down. Everyone was speechless. Wish Helmut Kohl was PM today.


  258. brookly red
    259 | February 28, 2013 6:22 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    all this infrastructure in place to build cars… we they could sell it to auto makers with no union ties?

    not in MI.

    youd have to move all the machines out of state. it isnt worth it.

    then fuck it let it die.


  259. coldwarrior
    260 | February 28, 2013 6:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well it’s not a this could happen to you, it is this IS happening to you. I have no joy in the death of a great American city. I only want the killers brought to justice.

    its a self inflicted wound.

    i have no sympathy.


  260. heysoos
    261 | February 28, 2013 6:23 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Detroit was a wealthy bustling, vibrant city
    was there recently.
    beruit, 85

    yes…every American should take a spin thru downtown…it’s profound evidence, the legacy of unions, corruption and donks


  261. heysoos
    262 | February 28, 2013 6:24 pm

    @ brookly red:
    good way to put it


  262. RIX
    263 | February 28, 2013 6:24 pm

    Justin Magness @JUSTINMAGNESS

    Maxine Waters said 170 million jobs will be lost due to the sequester…there’s not even that many people employed in America.
    7:31 PM -- 28 Feb 13 from Texarkana, AR, United States

    This is big news since there are not 170 million employed Americans.


  263. brookly red
    264 | February 28, 2013 6:24 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ heysoos:

    then fuck it let it die.


  264. coldwarrior
    265 | February 28, 2013 6:24 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    ktown is close enough.

    we ran out of champagne and beer after 3 days, the rail heads were nothing but booze and fresh fruit for a week. the easties could not get their fill of either


  265. citizen_q
    266 | February 28, 2013 6:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    all this infrastructure in place to build cars… we they could sell it to auto makers with no union ties?
    not in MI.
    youd have to move all the machines out of state. it isnt worth it.

    Restore a representative portion to provide contrast, then turn it into a theme park teaching consequences

    /


  266. coldwarrior
    267 | February 28, 2013 6:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Detroit was a wealthy bustling, vibrant city
    was there recently.
    beruit, 85

    yes…every American should take a spin thru downtown…it’s profound evidence, the legacy of unions, corruption and donks

    this is what the zombie apocalypse looks like


  267. heysoos
    268 | February 28, 2013 6:28 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    well it’s not a this could happen to you, it is this IS happening to you. I have no joy in the death of a great American city. I only want the killers brought to justice.
    its a self inflicted wound.
    i have no sympathy.

    when the feds step in, it’s your tax dollars…maybe the state can save Detroit…can CA save it’s own towns?..can NJ save Newark?…it’s going to be an epic problem too soon and I’d bet the feds will come calling and that mean you


  268. brookly red
    269 | February 28, 2013 6:28 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Justin Magness @JUSTINMAGNESS

    Maxine Waters said 170 million jobs will be lost due to the sequester…there’s not even that many people employed in America.
    7:31 PM — 28 Feb 13 from Texarkana, AR, United States

    This is big news since there are not 170 million employed Americans.

    urp, uh global warming… racism, global warmracsism, BUSH!

    that POS and her husband both need to be on chain gangs


  269. brookly red
    270 | February 28, 2013 6:29 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    well it’s not a this could happen to you, it is this IS happening to you. I have no joy in the death of a great American city. I only want the killers brought to justice.
    its a self inflicted wound.
    i have no sympathy.

    when the feds step in, it’s your tax dollars…maybe the state can save Detroit…can CA save it’s own towns?..can NJ save Newark?…it’s going to be an epic problem too soon and I’d bet the feds will come calling and that mean you

    the feds are not stepping in (yet) the state is :)


  270. heysoos
    271 | February 28, 2013 6:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Detroit was a wealthy bustling, vibrant city
    was there recently.
    beruit, 85
    yes…every American should take a spin thru downtown…it’s profound evidence, the legacy of unions, corruption and donks

    this is what the zombie apocalypse looks like

    there are burned out houses, sitting there exactly as they did after the ’67 riots…very spooky


  271. heysoos
    272 | February 28, 2013 6:35 pm

    @ brookly red:
    right…Cincy, St Louis, Memphis, Pittsburgh and other towns all went over the abyss…and they have all clawed their way back to respectability, but none of those cities were bound to union manufacturing…chew on that


  272. Buckeye Abroad
    273 | February 28, 2013 6:35 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    We just had Tong duchon Dong, the town adjacent to the base. It was only famous for its hookers, sleazy bars and astronomical incidents of VD.

    TDC was the shit. Literally.


  273. RIX
    274 | February 28, 2013 6:35 pm

    urp, uh global warming… racism, global warmracsism, BUSH!

    that POS and her husband both need to be on chain gangs

    - See more at: http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/02/28/the-all-powerful-israel-lobby-strikes-again/#commentform@ brookly red:

    Yup, they should both be in the slam.


  274. brookly red
    275 | February 28, 2013 6:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    right…Cincy, St Louis, Memphis, Pittsburgh and other towns all went over the abyss…and they have all clawed their way back to respectability, but none of those cities were bound to union manufacturing…chew on that

    me chew on it? LOL that was my fucking point!


  275. brookly red
    276 | February 28, 2013 6:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    urp, uh global warming… racism, global warmracsism, BUSH!

    that POS and her husband both need to be on chain gangs

    - See more at: http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/02/28/the-all-powerful-israel-lobby-strikes-again/#commentform@ brookly red:

    Yup, they should both be in the slam.

    breakin rock in the hot sun.


  276. yenta-fada
    277 | February 28, 2013 6:39 pm

    The problem of U.S. converts to Islam and U.S. born members of Al Queda. Muslim Lobby is not the only problem.

    http://patdollard.com/2013/02/report-details-al-qaeda-membership-in-the-u-s-nearly-quarter-of-the-operatives-were-converts-to-islam/


  277. heysoos
    278 | February 28, 2013 6:40 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    right…Cincy, St Louis, Memphis, Pittsburgh and other towns all went over the abyss…and they have all clawed their way back to respectability, but none of those cities were bound to union manufacturing…chew on that

    me chew on it? LOL that was my fucking point!

    I know, it was for general consumption…a major part of the legendary corruption involved the unions and people should know that…maybe that’s obvious


  278. Lily
    279 | February 28, 2013 6:42 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Well it is about funding the fundamentals to keep the city safe (police and courts and everything that goes with that) and in repair …. those two things are major problems that can destroy a city.
    yeah, I have a feeling it’s gonna get even worse before it turns around…people are not paying property tax, the cops are rare, streelights don’t even work and get pillaged for the metals…think Mogadishu, it’s almost as bad

    It has turned into a jungle because of the lack of basic infastructure and that is because of a lack of taxes being paid and that is because of poor management…I could go on but right it’s the basics that are lacking in that city.


  279. citizen_q
    280 | February 28, 2013 6:42 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    We just had Tong duchon Dong, the town adjacent to the base. It was only famous for its hookers, sleazy bars and astronomical incidents of VD.
    TDC was the shit. Literally.

    It sure was.


  280. Buckeye Abroad
    281 | February 28, 2013 6:43 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    Wow! Major doings.

    yessir, was 287th mp. worked the famous checkpoint charlie. this formerly handsome, dashing, and photogenic MP would walk up to the line between the free world and godless communism, put his highly polished jump boots just so, put a hand on the 5 round mag in the 1911 and stare at the commies who had thousands of rounds on their side and didnt look nearly as dashing as us.

    every morning for 3 months i would walk to the line with my 5 rounds, sip my coffee, and call the rest of the DoD remf assed bitches.

    The image of American MPs manning checkpoint Charlie, for decades, within the Iron Curtain had more power than all the .45 ACPs in the world.

    We won that “hearts and minds” battle.


  281. heysoos
    282 | February 28, 2013 6:46 pm

    @ Lily:
    I read a story the other day that there are only two part time people that run the assayers office…out of 77 properties in one hood, only one resident has paid the tax over several years and 76 were delinquent…an unbelievable mess


  282. coldwarrior
    283 | February 28, 2013 6:49 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    and we looked good doing it.


  283. coldwarrior
    284 | February 28, 2013 6:53 pm

    hmmmm. these tablets are nice.

    no, notthe fun kind, the computer kind.

    getoffylawnyoudamndkids!!!!!


  284. Lily
    285 | February 28, 2013 6:56 pm

    @ heysoos:

    That’s a problem. Because no money for street lights..no money for police…no money for road, sewage, water repairs…this is the problems that result from poor management and fraud.


  285. heysoos
    286 | February 28, 2013 7:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    That’s a problem. Because no money for street lights..no money for police…no money for road, sewage, water repairs…this is the problems that result from poor management and fraud.

    that and the fact that car union expenses shut down a lot of peripheral businesses, which in turn shut down tax revenues…a perfect storm so to speak


  286. Buckeye Abroad
    287 | February 28, 2013 7:00 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    and we looked good doing it.

    Ah, yeah. Dashing bullox that you are. The US military, especially those combat arm guys, were backing up those 5 rounds on your hip.

    That is if you are willing to share the limelight? ;)


  287. Lily
    288 | February 28, 2013 7:01 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I think that is a good way of saying it…a perfect storm of everything you do wrong to destroy a once working city.


  288. coldwarrior
    289 | February 28, 2013 7:02 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    and we looked good doing it.

    Ah, yeah. Dashing bullox that you are. The US military, especially those combat arm guys, were backing up those 5 rounds on your hip.
    That is if you are willing to share the limelight?

    this barrel chested freedom fighter would share. after i got first pick.

    :lol:


  289. Calo
    290 | February 28, 2013 7:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    hmmmm. these tablets are nice.
    no, notthe fun kind, the computer kind.
    getoffylawnyoudamndkids!!!!!

    I turn on the computer after a long day, and that is the first comment I see. :lol:


  290. brookly red
    291 | February 28, 2013 7:04 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    We won that “hearts and minds” battle.

    then why do we have a commie in the white house?


  291. brookly red
    292 | February 28, 2013 7:06 pm

    Calo wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    hmmmm. these tablets are nice.
    no, notthe fun kind, the computer kind.
    getoffylawnyoudamndkids!!!!!

    I turn on the computer after a long day, and that is the first comment I see.

    always have a drink before you log on…


  292. Lily
    293 | February 28, 2013 7:09 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    We won that “hearts and minds” battle.
    then why do we have a commie in the white house?

    Because there are too many idiots in our country.


  293. Da_Beerfreak
    294 | February 28, 2013 7:11 pm

    Looks like another thread broke out of the holding pen… :cool:

    “Argo cheats Canada and Britain”


  294. Lily
    295 | February 28, 2013 7:11 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    hmmmm. these tablets are nice.
    no, notthe fun kind, the computer kind.
    getoffylawnyoudamndkids!!!!!
    I turn on the computer after a long day, and that is the first comment I see.
    always have a drink before you log on…

    Or medicate yourself….whatever floats ones boat as I say…or piroe boat. ;)


  295. heysoos
    296 | February 28, 2013 7:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I think that is a good way of saying it…a perfect storm of everything you do wrong to destroy a once working city.

    in the 60′s white people saw this for what it was and fled…the Great White Migration, tax revenues crashed…they’d work the auto jobs but not live in the city proper…it was like lighting a fuse…
    my larger and original point was that we have to somehow learn from this example..as for CA, their demise has little to do with minorities, excepting illegals for sure, but the ruination of CA towns has been white donk, union corruption…it seems to me the key here is the liberals of all colors or stations in life…it’s a three pronged attack, that can and will affect many towns and cities


  296. Lily
    297 | February 28, 2013 7:16 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The problem is they are not learning their lessons…what may work in one area ….goes downhill in another area. Not to mention the people who are doing it.


  297. Da_Beerfreak
    298 | February 28, 2013 7:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    The problem is they are not learning their lessons…what may work in one area ….goes downhill in another area. Not to mention the people who are doing it.

    Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.


  298. Lily
    299 | February 28, 2013 7:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    To clarify I take my heart medication. ;)


  299. brookly red
    300 | February 28, 2013 7:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I read a story the other day that there are only two part time people that run the assayers office…out of 77 properties in one hood, only one resident has paid the tax over several years and 76 were delinquent…an unbelievable mess

    Hahahaha pay taxes? are you for fucking real? you give people free phones, healthcare, day care, care…care, care, care, and food stamps and now you want them to pay taxes? hahahahah


  300. Buckeye Abroad
    301 | February 28, 2013 7:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    We won that “hearts and minds” battle.

    then why do we have a commie in the white house?

    You tell me. I came of age in the 80′s when the last non-Ivy league POTUS, who loved America, turned the country around and ended communism. As far as I’m concerned, the Republic I grew up in and knew is dead.

    America deserves Obama. Hope the next generation learns from the stupidity.


  301. Lily
    302 | February 28, 2013 7:21 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Indeed but these dummies we are dealing with think history is so passe’…idiots.


  302. heysoos
    303 | February 28, 2013 7:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    The problem is they are not learning their lessons…what may work in one area ….goes downhill in another area. Not to mention the people who are doing it.

    agreed, but that’s also what makes the Detroit situation so curious…can anything be learned and applied to all people?…or will Detroit turn into another clusterfuck that dies because nobody would stand up and say ‘I know CPR’…I understand mant people want these problems to just wither locally and they probably will, but everyone is at risk, either socially or financially….you’d better hope states can deal with, because if not the feds are gonna be all over everyone ekse to clean up the mess…let em die is not a solution


  303. brookly red
    304 | February 28, 2013 7:24 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    The problem is they are not learning their lessons…what may work in one area ….goes downhill in another area. Not to mention the people who are doing it.

    Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

    Soviet Union, Cuba, Cambodia, China, North Korea, yeah it is not that we didn’t learn it is that we did not stand up and shoot these people dead in their tracks and piss on their graves.


  304. heysoos
    305 | February 28, 2013 7:26 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ Lily:
    I read a story the other day that there are only two part time people that run the assayers office…out of 77 properties in one hood, only one resident has paid the tax over several years and 76 were delinquent…an unbelievable mess

    Hahahaha pay taxes? are you for fucking real? you give people free phones, healthcare, day care, care…care, care, care, and food stamps and now you want them to pay taxes? hahahahah

    I’ll give you two large Joe’s combos for a 92 Ford rear axel


  305. Buckeye Abroad
    306 | February 28, 2013 7:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    and we looked good doing it.

    Ah, yeah. Dashing bullox that you are. The US military, especially those combat arm guys, were backing up those 5 rounds on your hip.
    That is if you are willing to share the limelight?

    this barrel chested freedom fighter would share. after i got first pick.

    Your humility is dully noted.


  306. brookly red
    307 | February 28, 2013 7:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    The problem is they are not learning their lessons…what may work in one area ….goes downhill in another area. Not to mention the people who are doing it.

    agreed, but that’s also what makes the Detroit situation so curious…can anything be learned and applied to all people?…or will Detroit turn into another clusterfuck that dies because nobody would stand up and say ‘I know CPR’…I understand mant people want these problems to just wither locally and they probably will, but everyone is at risk, either socially or financially….you’d better hope states can deal with, because if not the feds are gonna be all over everyone ekse to clean up the mess…let em die is not a solution

    are you fucking serious? are you really aware of what is going down? Of course the state can’t deal… and what can the feds do? borrow more money. this puppy is terminal put it down.


  307. Lily
    308 | February 28, 2013 7:28 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    We won that “hearts and minds” battle.
    then why do we have a commie in the white house?
    You tell me. I came of age in the 80′s when the last non-Ivy league POTUS, who loved America, turned the country around and ended communism. As far as I’m concerned, the Republic I grew up in and knew is dead.
    America deserves Obama. Hope the next generation learns from the stupidity.

    *Deserve* is such a strong word. But when 1/2 of our population are hedonistic idiots and I have come across them I can almost agree..almost..there are still a lot of good God fearing, hard working, family people still.


  308. Da_Beerfreak
    309 | February 28, 2013 7:28 pm

    @ brookly red:
    If Tar and Feathers ain’t enough to get the point across, then it’s time for the Stout Hemp Rope… :evil:


  309. heysoos
    310 | February 28, 2013 7:32 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    The problem is they are not learning their lessons…what may work in one area ….goes downhill in another area. Not to mention the people who are doing it.
    agreed, but that’s also what makes the Detroit situation so curious…can anything be learned and applied to all people?…or will Detroit turn into another clusterfuck that dies because nobody would stand up and say ‘I know CPR’…I understand mant people want these problems to just wither locally and they probably will, but everyone is at risk, either socially or financially….you’d better hope states can deal with, because if not the feds are gonna be all over everyone ekse to clean up the mess…let em die is not a solution

    are you fucking serious? are you really aware of what is going down? Of course the state can’t deal… and what can the feds do? borrow more money. this puppy is terminal put it down.

    the state in this case is stepping in to see what they can do…I post ideas, not that they might work or even my solutions…I’m telling you the state is gonna make a run at this thing and I hope it works…I don’t want your sassy ass involved, but it might come to that…your ready and well stuffed to feed Detroit? because if you let it burn, that’s what’s gonna happen…I’m suggesting trying to look out for your interests


  310. brookly red
    311 | February 28, 2013 7:33 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    If Tar and Feathers ain’t enough to get the point across, then it’s time for the Stout Hemp Rope…

    you ain’t got enough rope or hangmen.


  311. Da_Beerfreak
    312 | February 28, 2013 7:38 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    If Tar and Feathers ain’t enough to get the point across, then it’s time for the Stout Hemp Rope…

    you ain’t got enough rope or hangmen.

    Both can be recycled. No need to rush. :twisted:


  312. lobo91
    313 | February 28, 2013 8:00 pm

    What did I miss? This is the first time I’ve been vertical for more than about 5 minutes all day.

    Not sure what was wrong with me, but I didn’t enjoy it…


  313. lobo91
    314 | February 28, 2013 8:03 pm

    Dem Sen. Dianne Feinstein Thanks Piers Morgan For Anti-Gun Propoganda: “You’ve Been Wonderful”…

    Can we deport them both? At least to Detroit?


  314. heysoos
    315 | February 28, 2013 8:06 pm

    sunset in the mountain west…time for some blues


  315. eaglesoars
    316 | February 28, 2013 8:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Can we deport them both? At least to Detroit?

    Unfortunately, they’re BOTH aliens and we haven’t been able to find DiFi’s home planet.

    feeling better?


  316. heysoos
    317 | February 28, 2013 8:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Dem Sen. Dianne Feinstein Thanks Piers Morgan For Anti-Gun Propoganda: “You’ve Been Wonderful”…
    Can we deport them both? At least to Detroit?

    when Detroit fails, you’ll pay for it


  317. lobo91
    318 | February 28, 2013 8:09 pm

    Holder: I Have “No Respect” For Republicans Who Held Me In Contempt Over Fast And Furious…

    Attorney General Eric Holder shrugged off the House’s move to hold him in contempt last year because he didn’t respect the votes by those who chose to do so.

    I’m going to remember this when they ask why I refused to comply with their new gun laws.


  318. lobo91
    319 | February 28, 2013 8:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Somewhat. I think Leia was worried that I was dead, especially when I didn’t give her her dinner on time.


  319. Buckeye Abroad
    320 | February 28, 2013 8:11 pm

    @ Lily:

    *Deserve* is such a strong word. But when 1/2 of our population are hedonistic idiots and I have come across them I can almost agree..almost..there are still a lot of good God fearing, hard working, family people still.

    Yeah, those people clinging to their guns and Bibles (and Torahs).


  320. heysoos
    321 | February 28, 2013 8:19 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I disregard the feds…I do what I want, there is no complication because I refuse to comply and suggest others do the same…jail is not so bad in the short term


  321. brookly red
    322 | February 28, 2013 8:26 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ Lily:

    *Deserve* is such a strong word. But when 1/2 of our population are hedonistic idiots and I have come across them I can almost agree..almost..there are still a lot of good God fearing, hard working, family people still.

    Yeah, those people clinging to their guns and Bibles (and Torahs).

    considering the volume of gun sale lately I think people are doing more than clinging… planning perhaps?


  322. Buckeye Abroad
    323 | February 28, 2013 8:33 pm

    @ brookly red:

    … planning perhaps?

    The midwest is prepping for war. Ammo is flyiing off the shelf. I’m sure its the same story down south.

    Culture is king. Where do you live? Heh.


  323. eaglesoars
    324 | February 28, 2013 8:36 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    I’m sure its the same story down south.

    It is


  324. huckfunn
    325 | February 28, 2013 8:39 pm

    Las Vegas shooter arrested in Los Angeles.
    I’m glad they got this dirtbag.

    LAS VEGAS (AP) — A self-described pimp was arrested Thursday in Los Angeles, ending a manhunt that began after a vehicle-to-vehicle shooting and spectacular, fiery crash that killed three people on the Las Vegas Strip a week ago, police said.
    Ammar Harris, 26, surrendered to a team of police and federal agents who found him inside a North Hollywood apartment after a woman answered the door, authorities said.
    In Nevada, Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie and Las Vegas police Capt. Chris Jones scheduled a late afternoon media briefing about the arrest.
    Harris, whose Internet posts show him with fists full of money boasting of a high-rolling lifestyle with prostitutes, was the subject of the multi-state search after the Feb. 21 attack at a neon-lit intersection that’s home to posh casino resorts such as Bellagio, Bally’s, Flamingo and Caesars Palace.


  325. brookly red
    326 | February 28, 2013 8:40 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    … planning perhaps?

    The midwest is prepping for war. Ammo is flyiing off the shelf. I’m sure its the same story down south.

    Culture is king. Where do you live? Heh.

    New York City, Brooklyn actually…gee I thought you could read.


  326. lobo91
    327 | February 28, 2013 8:40 pm

    Harry Reid Scolds Press: “You Guys Have An Obligation To Report” That Democrats Are Right…

    They don’t even pretend anymore…


  327. brookly red
    328 | February 28, 2013 8:45 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Las Vegas shooter arrested in Los Angeles.
    I’m glad they got this dirtbag.

    It ain’t over till the cell door slams


  328. brookly red
    329 | February 28, 2013 8:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Harry Reid Scolds Press: “You Guys Have An Obligation To Report” That Democrats Are Right…

    They don’t even pretend anymore…

    I dumped the NRA over their support for Reid. No Regrets the NRA is like the GOP, establishment whores.


  329. huckfunn
    330 | February 28, 2013 8:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    It ain’t over till the cell door slams

    The door already slammed. He’ll get no bail. That animal will spend the rest of his days in a cage where he belongs.


  330. heysoos
    331 | February 28, 2013 8:49 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    … planning perhaps?
    The midwest is prepping for war. Ammo is flyiing off the shelf. I’m sure its the same story down south.
    Culture is king. Where do you live? Heh.

    down here in New Mexico, we have little fondness for the feds..they made us look like savages (we are) for 60 years trying to gain statehood…never in the history of states has a territory been neglected and fucked over as New Mexico…it took 60 fucking years to gain statehood and only because we were surrounded by the feds, out gunned as used as hostages to a larger picture…but yet, New Mexico is packed with patriots…country donks, and they will fight to the finish, consider Fallujah…the NM guards kicked ass..we are patriots of the first order and fight to the death in this harsh world, yet we are an afterthought, nobody…people still pick on New Mexicans to this day as under rated…pisses me off


  331. heysoos
    332 | February 28, 2013 8:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Las Vegas shooter arrested in Los Angeles.
    I’m glad they got this dirtbag.
    It ain’t over till the cell door slams

    the worst sound in your life you will ever hear…I am absolutely scared to death of incarceration


  332. darkwords
  333. brookly red
    334 | February 28, 2013 8:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Las Vegas shooter arrested in Los Angeles.
    I’m glad they got this dirtbag.
    It ain’t over till the cell door slams

    the worst sound in your life you will ever hear…I am absolutely scared to death of incarceration

    Don’t worry the FEMA camps don’t really have cells, they have kinda open yards where you can mingle with the other citizens and once a day the door under the giant obama poster opens and some scraps of food fall out… if you are strong and know how to fight you might get some.


  334. heysoos
    335 | February 28, 2013 9:03 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Las Vegas shooter arrested in Los Angeles.
    I’m glad they got this dirtbag.
    It ain’t over till the cell door slams
    the worst sound in your life you will ever hear…I am absolutely scared to death of incarceration

    Don’t worry the FEMA camps don’t really have cells, they have kinda open yards where you can mingle with the other citizens and once a day the door under the giant obama poster opens and some scraps of food fall out… if you are strong and know how to fight you might get some.

    if there are 27 holes of golf and veranda cocktails, I’ll try…maybe


  335. Buckeye Abroad
    336 | February 28, 2013 9:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    … planning perhaps?

    The midwest is prepping for war. Ammo is flyiing off the shelf. I’m sure its the same story down south.

    Culture is king. Where do you live? Heh.

    New York City, Brooklyn actually…gee I thought you could read.

    Hey, sorry. You’re right. Apologies.

    Now go get your shinebox.


  336. heysoos
    337 | February 28, 2013 9:09 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    heh…snort


  337. eaglesoars
    338 | February 28, 2013 9:11 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 243 eaglesoars:
    https://www.brown-haley.com/almondproduct.php

    my dentist hates you


  338. heysoos
    339 | February 28, 2013 9:16 pm

    the great eastern nethers is very nice, picturesque, quint and nicely old fashioned…the problem back there is all the people, there are too many people, you can’t get away from them…like ants


  339. lobo91
    340 | February 28, 2013 9:48 pm

    Obama Thanks “Leaders From Both Parties” For Passing VAWA… Proceeds To Name Three Democrats…

    This is an awful bill that never should have been allowed to pass. Eric Cantor apparently threatened enough Republican House members to get it through.


  340. eaglesoars
    341 | February 28, 2013 9:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Eric Cantor apparently threatened enough Republican House members to get it through.

    Cantor threatened hellfire and brimstone only to get a vote to get their bill to the floor. However, I don’t think it was their bill that passed -- I think it was the dem’s


  341. lobo91
    342 | February 28, 2013 10:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Among other things, it’s a stealth attempt to add to the number of people who can’t legally buy a gun.

    Under this bill, you can be convicted of “domestic violence” for making someone feel bad. That conviction means you can’t own a gun, be a cop, or join the military.


  342. eaglesoars
    343 | February 28, 2013 10:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Among other things, it’s a stealth attempt to add to the number of people who can’t legally buy a gun.

    Oh you bet. I don’t care whose bill it is -- it sucketh gravity


  343. The Osprey
    344 | February 28, 2013 10:15 pm

    Hey Lobo, I’m up here in Chickenpooper country tonight.
    Meeting in Denver tomorrow then back to AZ…


  344. buzzsawmonkey
    345 | February 28, 2013 10:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Detroit was a wealthy bustling, vibrant city…world renown for cars and music, high education and the fine arts…all gone…
    and there is a ‘this could happen to you’ sense about it…I’m not gonna sit here and diss them for it, that part is over, and I appreciate you don’t either

    Four Preludes on Playthings of the Wind
    —Carl Sandburg

    “The past is a bucket of ashes.”

    1
    THE WOMAN named To-morrow
    sits with a hairpin in her teeth
    and takes her time
    and does her hair the way she wants it
    and fastens at last the last braid and coil
    and puts the hairpin where it belongs
    and turns and drawls: Well, what of it?
    My grandmother, Yesterday, is gone.
    What of it? Let the dead be dead.

    2
    The doors were cedar
    and the panels strips of gold
    and the girls were golden girls
    and the panels read and the girls chanted:
    We are the greatest city,
    the greatest nation:
    nothing like us ever was.

    The doors are twisted on broken hinges.
    Sheets of rain swish through on the wind
    where the golden girls ran and the panels read:
    We are the greatest city,
    the greatest nation,
    nothing like us ever was.

    3
    It has happened before.
    Strong men put up a city and got
    a nation together,
    And paid singers to sing and women
    to warble: We are the greatest city,
    the greatest nation,
    nothing like us ever was.

    And while the singers sang
    and the strong men listened
    and paid the singers well
    and felt good about it all,
    there were rats and lizards who listened
    … and the only listeners left now
    … are … the rats … and the lizards.

    And there are black crows
    crying, “Caw, caw,”
    bringing mud and sticks
    building a nest
    over the words carved
    on the doors where the panels were cedar
    and the strips on the panels were gold
    and the golden girls came singing:
    We are the greatest city,
    the greatest nation:
    nothing like us ever was.

    The only singers now are crows crying, “Caw, caw,”
    And the sheets of rain whine in the wind and doorways.
    And the only listeners now are … the rats … and the lizards.

    4
    The feet of the rats
    scribble on the door sills;
    the hieroglyphs of the rat footprints
    chatter the pedigrees of the rats
    and babble of the blood
    and gabble of the breed
    of the grandfathers and the great-grandfathers
    of the rats.

    And the wind shifts
    and the dust on a door sill shifts
    and even the writing of the rat footprints
    tells us nothing, nothing at all
    about the greatest city, the greatest nation
    where the strong men listened
    and the women warbled: Nothing like us ever was.


  345. darkwords
    346 | February 28, 2013 10:21 pm

    A brave woman.


  346. lobo91
    347 | February 28, 2013 10:23 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Hey Lobo, I’m up here in Chickenpooper country tonight.
    Meeting in Denver tomorrow then back to AZ…

    You just missed some really nasty weather.


  347. The Osprey
    348 | February 28, 2013 10:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:

    Hey Lobo, I’m up here in Chickenpooper country tonight.
    Meeting in Denver tomorrow then back to AZ…

    You just missed some really nasty weather.

    Yeah, I can tell there’s all that thick white Gorebull warming stuff all over the ground. :lol:


  348. darkwords
  349. buzzsawmonkey
    350 | February 28, 2013 10:34 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    It’s pile on Maxine Waters night at Twitter.

    Congress should be sued for violating the separation between church and state, because they cast our bread upon the Waters.


  350. darkwords
    351 | February 28, 2013 10:35 pm

    Have you chided a Democrat leader today about being corrupt?


  351. buzzsawmonkey
    352 | February 28, 2013 10:37 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Have you chided a Democrat leader today about being corrupt?

    Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly.


  352. The Osprey
    353 | February 28, 2013 10:39 pm

    We could have a contest. Who is the most stupid and corrupt member of the CBC.
    First prize: One way ticket to Harare! :lol:

    RAAAAACISM!


  353. darkwords
    354 | February 28, 2013 10:43 pm

    Anne Elizabeth Moore ‏@superanne
    My students called everything before 2000 “the 1900s” today.


  354. The Osprey
    355 | February 28, 2013 10:49 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Anne Elizabeth Moore ‏@superanne
    My students called everything before 2000 “the 1900s” today.

    Well technically, they are right….but it makes me feel old :lol:


  355. darkwords
    356 | February 28, 2013 10:53 pm

    Kai-Fu Lee ‏@kaifulee
    胡润发布全球富豪榜,中国超越美国成为全球资本市场创造十亿美元富豪最多的国家,富豪数量达到212人,根据估计

    Somewhere in there it says “Racoons will mess you up, beat them dead with a stick and make soup.” Well it loses something in the translation.


  356. The Osprey
    357 | February 28, 2013 11:12 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Kai-Fu Lee ‏@kaifulee
    胡润发布全球富豪榜,中国超越美国成为全球资本市场创造十亿美元富豪最多的国家,富豪数量达到212人,根据估计

    Somewhere in there it says “Racoons will mess you up, beat them dead with a stick and make soup.” Well it loses something in the translation.

    Hunan Racoon Fried Rice!

    RAAAAACISM!


  357. Calo
    358 | February 28, 2013 11:19 pm

    @ darkwords:
    LOL!!! That was the best tweet, evah!


  358. Calo
    359 | February 28, 2013 11:21 pm

    BRC_807 ‏@Gus_807

    IF A COON FALLS ON YOU BEAT IT DEAD WITH A STICK OR IT WILL MESS YOU UP YOU WILL NEVER BE THE SAME http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/02/27/beat-the-meatles/#co_1175061

    BRC_807 ‏@Gus_807

    YOU WILL NEVER BE THE SAME really! And it’s a twofer -- you also have supper -- coon gumbo. Nature’s grocery store. http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2013/02/27/beat-the-meatles/#co_1175061


  359. 360 | March 1, 2013 12:17 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    Anne Elizabeth Moore ‏@superanne
    My students called everything before 2000 “the 1900s” today.

    Well technically, they are right….but it makes me feel old

    Indeed!

    brookly red wrote:

    considering the volume of gun sale lately I think people are doing more than clinging… planning perhaps?

    The Founders would have been shooting LONG before this.

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Somewhat. I think Leia was worried that I was dead, especially when I didn’t give her her dinner on time.

    El Gato has absolute conniptions if I’m not up and around whenever he thinks I should be. I think he’s afraid I’m getting ready to cash in my chips.

    Lily wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    Romney will go down in history as being the most misunderstood man to ever run for president. If he were able to run the country like he did his family and business and personal life, the US would have literal streets of gold. His Mass. record has been miscontrued, contorted and demonized. when Romney lost the election, America lost big time.
    The more I knew of Romney the more I liked him. There was good in him. Not so much with obama. People can’t see the good/bad difference anymore…well at least 1/2 of them. Obama won by winning the cities…the rest of the country went for Romney. It is disturbing that only the city folk get to pick who is the president now isn’t it?

    The population density in the cities makes it possible to deploy enough ward heelers to get out the vote. It also makes it a lot easier to steal votes.


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