“Argo” is one of the most fatuous movies ever made which claims to depict historical events. As the author notes, Jimmy Carter and his C.I.A. director Stansfield Turner (anticipating by 34 years John Brennan) had so gutted the C.I.A. that, as in the words of some wonk “They (the C.I.A.) could not find their (male genitals) with both their hands”. It was the Canadians and the British who were responsible for first hiding the Americans and then secondly getting them out of Iran, the C.I.A. had little to do with it. As for Ben Affleck’s introduction and ending quotes, all it does is reinforce the image of him as a clueless Boston leftie with no real knowledge of history. Mohammad Mossadegh (for example) was never elected Prime Minister, he was appointed by the Iranian parliament, and to say that the Shah for all his faults was no better then the genocidal mullahs who now run Iran is akin to saying that Mohammad Morsi of Egypt is preferable to Hosni Mubarak.
by Abraham H. Miller
I guess it’s fair to say that Ben Affleck is not doing a documentary … or is he? In a recent interview by Terry Gross with Affleck that I caught on National Public Radio, he notes how he studied the Middle East in college and wanted to include the information on Mohammed Mossadeg and the US intervention in Iranian affairs to bring Shah Palavi to power. Affleck left me with the impression that accuracy was very important to the project.
To underscore the film’s commitment to reality, Affleck included information in the film’s front cards that was important to him as a student of the Middle East. This consisted of the historical context concerning the violent overthrow of Mohammed Mosaddegh and the successful CIA plot to consolidate the power of the shah, Mohammed Pahlava. This coup ultimately, according to many observers, led to the 1979 Iranian Revolution.
Is Argo a story that is fundamentally true but appropriately tweaked to create the successful commercial venture, or is it a dramatization that while inspired by real events is largely a work of fiction with a political message? And, if the latter, as Hillary Clinton might say, “Who cares?”
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Affleck’s Argo with its endnotes attempts to resuscitate the corpse of Jimmy Carter’s incompetent presidency. Carter has said that it was too bad he couldn’t tell the story of these events because if he had, he probably would have defeated Ronald Reagan in the 1980 presidential contest. This is simply another disingenuous statement from a man given to making them.
Anyone who has studied the relationship between the Carter administration and the CIA knows that Carter was averse to the entire notion of covert operations. Carter’s DCI, Stansfield Turner, is ignominiously remembered among those who served in the intelligence community in those years for what has become known as the Halloween Massacre. This was the wholesale evisceration of much of the covert branch of the agency, with the summary pink-slipping of some 800 to 2800 — depending on whose numbers one accepts — seasoned and well-trained operatives. Carter and his DCI believed that human intelligence (humint) was a remnant of the past.
The first thing that is wrong with this historical revision is the idea that Jimmy Carter’s bashed and crippled CIA could pull off this rescue. Moreover, Carter’s destruction of the effectiveness of the covert branch of the agency meant that with the termination of covert officers, their foreign networks went with them.
The real workings of intelligence are — with obvious exceptions — nothing remotely like what you see in the movies. Espionage is based on a long, slow, and patient process of establishing trust and creating networks among foreigners who will work for you at tremendous risk. Why people spy is a matter far beyond this writing, but suffice it to say that it takes a good intelligence officer, in a foreign post, years to build a reliable espionage network. Fire the officer and the entire network collapses with him. Fire a large number of intelligence officers and foreigners engaged in the game on our behalf will justifiably worry about being exposed and quit.
So, by 1979, it was safe to say that because of Carters’ policies, the CIA had limited covert capabilities and limited human assets in Iran or anywhere else. The British, French, and Israelis were engaged in trying to recruit from our decapitated networks, but how successful they were is largely unknown. There is, however, hardly any chance that whatever intelligence their networks could have gathered would have been shared with the highly disdained Carter-era CIA or that they would have used their intelligence assets to come to our aid.
The real story of Argo is that six members of the State Department escaped initially to the summer residence of Sir John Graham, the British ambassador, before going to the residence of the Canadian ambassador and his first secretary. Contrary to Affleck, the Brits did not turn away our people.
Since people will think Affleck’s movie is more reality-based than it is, we should cut away from the glitz of the Oscars and acknowledge the role of the Brits, and the risks that they took in coming to the aid of our diplomats. America does not have enough friends in the world to squander the ones we do have. That’s something Barack Obama was too immature to understand when he pointedly returned the bust of Churchill that was a gift from Britain not to him but to the American people.
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Anyone who has studied the relationship between the Carter administration and the CIA knows that Carter was averse to the entire notion of covert operations. Carter’s DCI, Stansfield Turner, is ignominiously remembered among those who served in the intelligence community in those years for what has become known as the Halloween Massacre. This was the wholesale evisceration of much of the covert branch of the agency, with the summary pink-slipping of some 800 to 2800 — depending on whose numbers one accepts — seasoned and well-trained operatives. Carter and his DCI believed that human intelligence (humint) was a remnant of the past.
The first thing that is wrong with this historical revision is the idea that Jimmy Carter’s bashed and crippled CIA could pull off this rescue. Moreover, Carter’s destruction of the effectiveness of the covert branch of the agency meant that with the termination of covert officers, their foreign networks went with them.
The real workings of intelligence are — with obvious exceptions — nothing remotely like what you see in the movies. Espionage is based on a long, slow, and patient process of establishing trust and creating networks among foreigners who will work for you at tremendous risk. Why people spy is a matter far beyond this writing, but suffice it to say that it takes a good intelligence officer, in a foreign post, years to build a reliable espionage network. Fire the officer and the entire network collapses with him. Fire a large number of intelligence officers and foreigners engaged in the game on our behalf will justifiably worry about being exposed and quit.
So, by 1979, it was safe to say that because of Carters’ policies, the CIA had limited covert capabilities and limited human assets in Iran or anywhere else. The British, French, and Israelis were engaged in trying to recruit from our decapitated networks, but how successful they were is largely unknown. There is, however, hardly any chance that whatever intelligence their networks could have gathered would have been shared with the highly disdained Carter-era CIA or that they would have used their intelligence assets to come to our aid.
The real story of Argo is that six members of the State Department escaped initially to the summer residence of Sir John Graham, the British ambassador, before going to the residence of the Canadian ambassador and his first secretary. Contrary to Affleck, the Brits did not turn away our people.
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The people who got the real short end of the stick in Argo were the Canadians. It was First Secretary John Sheardown who took the call from the fleeing Americans and without hesitation granted them a place to hide. Some were hidden in his home. Sheardown died recently, and his wife found the movie disappointing for characterizing him as an observer to an historical event in which he played a fundamental role.
If Affleck wanted to take the high ground, he would run a series of adverts stating that Argo is fiction and the real heroes of the movie were the Canadians, who put their lives on the line for their American cousins and got scarce acknowledgement in return. It wasn’t Tony Mendez or the bashed CIA that got the Americans out, but the Canadians who arranged the vital Canadian passports and the airline tickets through Swiss Air and two other airlines. The Argo cover was unnecessary, and the cliff-hanger scene at the airport was pure invention. The Americans armed with their Canadian papers and with reservations made by Canadian diplomats walked out of Iran without challenge and on to the safety of airplanes.
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As for Jimmy Carter, he had nearly nothing to do with this. Carter bungled Iran as he bungled nearly everything else. He failed to understand the threat of the ayatollahs, and, according to Robert Dreyfus’s version of events, he sent Air Force General Robert Huyser to further destabilize the shah’s regime. Carter believed that there was a democratic center that was coming to power. He made the same mistake with Iran that Obama made with the Arab Spring.
Neither Argo nor Jimmy Carter’s crude attempts to rewrite history nor Michelle Obama presenting an Oscar for a movie that makes us feel good about what other nations really did in Iran will change what happened. And to the British and especially the Canadians, many of us long for a day when America will apologize to you and appropriately reaffirm the risks and heroism of your people on behalf of ours.
Read the rest - Argo: with apologies to Britain and Canada
Tags: Abraham H. Miller, Argo, Ben Affleck, Jimmy Carter, Stansfield Turner
Ken Taylor, the Canadian Ambassador was the prime mover and planner of the operation. He was given the Order of Canada later in his career.
Kenneth Douglas “Ken” Taylor, OC (born October 5, 1934) is the founder and Chairman of public consulting firm Taylor and Ryan.[1]
He is best known for his role in the 1979 covert operation called the Canadian Caper when he was the Canadian ambassador to Iran. With the cooperation of the American Central Intelligence Agency, Taylor helped six Americans escape from Iran during the hostage crisis by getting Canadian passports for the Americans to get past the Iranian Revolutionary guard by posing the six as a Canadian film crew scouting locations for their film. Before the escape, the six Americans spent several weeks hiding in sanctuary in the homes of Taylor and another Canadian diplomat, John Sheardown.[2]
Carter: A white, slightly more competent version of Barack Obama
Ben Affleck and Matt Damon grew up as neighbors of Howard Zinn.
Pretty much tells you everything you need to know about their interest in historical accuracy.
OT:
Good for the Rolling Stones; not only do they ignore BDS agitation to play in Israel, but Mick Jagger adds a concert.
lobo91 wrote:
Damon rambles on and on about Howard Zinn when he’s being “wicked smaaaaart” in Good Will Hunting.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
With my budget, I’m always hunting for bargains at Goodwill…
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
thrift shoppin!
Quick!! Someone, anyone?? Send in the Clues…
Sen. Rubio: Time to provide ammunition to Syrian opposition
Here we go again…
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
who knew Mick was a champion of freedom, a world class diplomat?…
he should be SecGen at the UN
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
I agree with him but for a different I’d bet…
kill moar faster
heysoos wrote:
I think you mean kill Mo faster
heysoos wrote:
The longer they can drag things out the better it is for the non-islamic west. Let them fight it out with rocks and knives…
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
I wonder if some Mo found a tac nuke in an ally if he’d know how to light it up…you know the instructions will be in Arabic
heysoos wrote:
When in doubt give a shout to 1-800-PAKI
Dr K on Obama’s presser: He was exceptionally arrogant even for him.
I wonder whose puppy the Boy King is going to kick next…
@ eaglesoars:
I read the entire transcript….it’s just lie after another
amazing
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
he doesn’t kick puppies, he eats them…puppy sushi, not that canned dog
http://tinyurl.com/avhdmux
His three-month odyssey through 13 countries—from his homeland of Nepal through South Asia, Brazil, Mexico, and finally into Texas—
This sounds fishy to me…
BO’s brutha’s say, don’t go there dude or we’ll throw a fit…this is at least two days old, but nobody dares ask BO if he likes getting kick in the nuts by there very dudes he’s blowing…what say you, BO?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/1/hamas-warns-obama-dont-visit-temple-mount/
heysoos wrote:
In other words komrade zero was true to form.
brookly red wrote:
why?
heysoos wrote:
no biggie he will just whip out his prayer rug and come clean.
citizen_q wrote:
yeah, you just have to think by the physics of nature that he will blow so much bullshit that he eventually drowns in it…I’ve hoped this for going on five years…they say BO is very smart, that may be, but I say he’s too clever by half and that he will spin himself into a very serious problem….maybe he already has but we don’t see it yet
brookly red wrote:
We don’t need no stinkin’ boarders. Besides, obamacare will have ‘em fixed up good as new in no time. That is if the bitter-clingers would just STFU…
eaglesoars wrote:
13 countries? maybe he had some logistical support… may this was actually a bio attack? they just happened to catch him and test him? not standard ops to test people they pick up, unless of course they were looking for him.
@ heysoos:
Maybe, even the in the tank media is starting to call him on his lies about sequestration.
heysoos wrote:
Since it’s advice from terrorists, he’ll probably take it and go elsewhere for his photo-op.
citizen_q wrote:
lately, I can’t provide links, but it seems like he’s dissed the media, and like you say, maybe there are cracks in the dam…this stuff can sneak up on you…he says so much BS that I don’t see how he can keep track of it all…I’m hoping the media will force his hand but it’s doubtful yet…see how the MSM is abandoning Woodward…this media thing is a very tough nut, but I’m thinking, if BO starts to actually lose balance, they will turn on him like a rabid coon
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
I hope so
@ heysoos:
I am hoping seeing the media feed upon itself by attacking Woodward, will start a few of them who might still be capable of it into doing some serious thinking about the state of journalism and the their chosen idol.
citizen_q wrote:
Rush points out that Woodward is the textbook idol of young jounos and it will be interesting how it turns…Bob is taking a hit on the blogs, but does the MSM have the guts to lay out Woodward?…even if he were wrong will people see the admins response for what it is…time will tell and fairly soon I bet…either way Woodward has not spoken with malice but the BO fans have…if BO wanted to score points he’d call off his poodles
citizen_q wrote:
as much as they are in the tank, the secret fantasy of every reporter is to land “the big one”… move too early the story has no legs, too late someone else beats you to it.
They are watching & waiting.
@ citizen_q:
and more…my daughter always dreamed of being a photographer and pro journo…college, and her new experience with politics turned her away, thank god…I held my breath for like three years over that choice…journos today are bottom feeding whores….mostly
More Obama lies:
brookly red wrote:
exactly right…govt has made these people timid and pliable…but some buck is going to come along with the guys to say hey, fuck you, I’m on this like stink on shit and I’ll force you to deal with me…that’s what Woodward and Bernstein did
Ben Affleck is a typical Massachusetts/Hollywood limousine liberal.
@ heysoos:
@ brookly red:
I am hoping seeing one of their heroes treated so shabbily both by the admin and by his colleages some of the smarter and less ethically challenged will start seeing the scum without ideological blinders.
Maybe just maybe start asking real questions, start doing real reporting.
I am a dreamer, huh? I haven’t even had an evening drink yet!
mfhorn wrote:
Glenn Reynolds wrote (paraphrasing) “We knew we were in trouble in January 2009 when we realized that a replay of the Carter Administration was the best we could hope for”.
heysoos wrote:
who will be the next Matt Drudge ? LOL
heysoos wrote:
For the past year it seems that even Woodward saw how incompetent Obama was.
Speranza wrote:
yes he has, but did you see Woodward all over town with his books, and speaking gigs, no…he makes one honest remark against BO, now he’s white hot…the guy has seen it all and done all, with thought and in a bipartisan fashion, he’s made millions, he’s never had an ax to grind…I have a gut feeling that BO blew this one bigtime
@ Speranza:
Or that he got tired of ignoring the serial lying.
heysoos wrote:
he did… the one thing O can’t stand is being ridiculed or contradicted. gods have fragile ego
brookly red wrote:
the first person to head butt BO will gone down in American history for 200 years
@ brookly red:
You might want to use “Create tiny url” when you have a huge url
http://tinyurl.com/
Speranza wrote:
heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…
heysoos wrote:
Woodward may just have a sword behind that red cape
I would have been all over the sequester bullshit weeks ago in a big way…but Boehner is reacting and not doing so bad…the GOP is letting BO’s road show speak for itself, because they have mountains of ammo against him…useful ordnance for the March showdown…people bitch about the GOP and they should I guess…but it seems to me that this frantic BO PR gig is failing with barely a word from the GOP…if this were a gunfight I’d say we are cool for now…head down, mouth shut til next week
brookly red wrote:
Your url ran across the screen!
brookly red wrote:
Worried about a url-nalysis?
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citizen_q wrote:
sheesh, really…
heysoos wrote:
Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu did. Romney did once -- on October 3, 2012 -- but failed to follow up on it in the next two debates and wonkish Paul Ryan allowed Joe Biden to piss all over him all the time he (Paul Ryan) was talking like one of those boring Saturday afternoon C-Span professors about Dodd-Frank.
Speranza wrote:
you know I always got the feeling CJ hated me cause my url was bigger than his.
citizen_q wrote:
You’re sounding like Buzzsawmonkey.
brookly red wrote:
CJ had a small intellect and a smaller “manhood” according to iceweasl/Irish Rose rumors.
Speranza wrote:
yeah I know and that’s good….but I feel I could do the impossible if I had a chance…
“Heysoos, nice to meet you”…SMASH!…see you guys in life plus 300yrs!
brookly red wrote:
He has a glass jaw and cannot take a punch. Debating a weasel like John McCain was a breeze for a maroon like Barack Obama.
Speranza wrote:
Thanks! but he is the master.
Speranza wrote:
I am surprised another head of state has not ripped him a new one yet…
heysoos wrote:
I rewatched part of the Biden-Ryan debate and Paul Ryan just let that nasty old man with the hair plugs interrupt and mock him all the while he (Ryan) droned on as if he was an economics professor. Ryan’s awful performance should exclude him from any serious consideration about running for POTUS.
Ryan should have mentioned all the Biden gaffes however that would have taken up the entire debate.
Speranza wrote:
I think it’s a reasonable strategy to needle and ridicule him until he blows…probably many drawbacks to that angle, but I’d rather fight and lose than not fight and lose anyway
brookly red wrote:
The Iranians sure as shit will not.
I am dreading Obama’s Israel visit.
heysoos wrote:
Republicans like GHWB, W., McCain, and Romney are only good at attacking other Republicans.
citizen_q wrote:
He is the head of the pun-dit-ocracy.
heysoos wrote:
pssst use my old skool Bronx trick… when you want to head butt someone, always go ahh-ahh first then Choo! as you butt.
Speranza wrote:
the political wall facing the GOP is formidable, but not impossible…the first order of business is to destroy BO’s cred…almost impossible but worth the effort…to survive the GOP needs a field goal here and the mo that goes with it
Speranza wrote:
I don’t see him visiting Russia anytime soon
Speranza wrote:
the GOP primary system actually hurts them nationally..in this day and age of fake drama, why do they participate in such brazen squabbling?….people watch these primary debates and process them as a reality show
Speranza wrote:
it is going to be a disaster
heysoos wrote:
We need touchdowns,not field goals. Home runs,not sacfrigice bunts.
brookly red wrote:
He will be blunt and harsh with Netanyahu, warm and cuddly with Mahmoud Abbas.
heysoos wrote:
and then at the end of the day they let the media choose the most damaged candidate.
Speranza wrote:
I am dreading it as well.
I keep thinking the holy land will be less so, by his presence.
heysoos wrote:
The “open primary” rules must end immediately!
citizen_q wrote:
He hates Israel but an Israel visit gives him cover.
Speranza wrote:
I hope he doesn’t try “Mister Netanyahu, tear down this wall” ! They will nuke us
Speranza wrote:
the theory is, you take what you can get til you can strike…I understand you, but anything positive is better than nothing…when you’re behind as far as the GOP is, you take it a yard at a time, be cool, don’t make mistakes…in those terms the GOP is cool at the moment…but they need to exploit BO’s behavior and hope for a fumble, some easy points…know what I’m saying?…don’t rush it and play smart
citizen_q wrote:
so a pillar of fire came from the sky, and he turned into a pillar of salt? Who knew?
brookly red wrote:
He’d love to say something dramatic like that. James Baker “Here is our phone number, give us a call if you are serious about peace” bullshit insulting comment.
heysoos wrote:
Any points scored are good but for too long our offense resembled the 2012 Jets offense withth McCain/Romney as the Mark Sanchez/Tim Tebow of the GOP.
Speranza wrote:
if he says Ich bin ein palistine it’s on!
Speranza wrote:
the GOP better realize, and quick, that times are changing fast and those old school people need to find a pasture…I don’t believe for a second that conservatism is dead, battered maybe but that’s just when the fight picks up…if the GOP does not embrace OFA tactics, they will die because of them
brookly red wrote:
lol. In his heart of hearts he is a Palestinian.
heysoos wrote:
For once I would love to see the GOP with a candidate and a campaign structure with an absolute commitment to victory.
Speranza wrote:
yeah and for once I would like to win the Powerball…
Just like Scipio Africanus studied Hannibal Barca’s tactics in order to defeat him at the Battle of Zama, we need to study the tactics of OFA and the Council for American Progress to learn how to defeat the Democrats.
Speranza wrote:
they are out there, willing to be nurtured…I am very impressed with Rubio and the Cruzer…and for me that’s saying a lot…I like these guys, I really do
Speranza wrote:
easy, lie cheat and steal…
brookly red wrote:
As of now your odds of winning powerball are greater than our overthrowing the Rovian machine of “small ball” politics.
brookly red wrote:
It’s not that facile. They are better organized, motivated, and most importantly patient (look how they have taken over so many institutions of power (movies, media, academia) all tehe while America as essentially a center-right nation. We spend our time however having our candidates pledge their fealty to “family values”.
heysoos wrote:
So do I. I also like Susana Martinez.
Speranza wrote:
we are coming to a time when movement, rapid response is the nature of politics, not droning your excuses at a presser
heysoos wrote:
Please in 2016, no more 9-9-9 type of candidates to suck the oxygen out of the room.
Speranza wrote:
she’s a strict shooter, she folded on the drivers license gig only because of the fed Dream Act, not wanting to impose a hardship for principle…I like her and I despise most pols…she good in my foxhole, so far
Speranza wrote:
and there is the weakness… Americans are not patient by nature. Somewhere between the the destruction of civil society and the establishment of “utopia” is a window of opportunity. It will not be pretty nor polite.
Speranza wrote:
that’s why I like both Rubio and Cruz…they don’t make shit up, they don’t back away from tough questions, they lace up and go to work
@ heysoos:
She also folded on the Medicaid expansion.
heysoos wrote:
She would bring obvious assets to any political race.
Some extra filler in the post.
occurs twice
@ brookly red:
I have a rescue party, armed and eager to find you and haul your ass out of NYC, why, I don’t know…they call themselves the Pizza Red Brigade…show yourself to hasten the snatch
heysoos wrote:
I like the way Ted Cruz dealt with Chuck Hagel at Hagel’s confirmation hearing. He did not show him any deference.
heysoos wrote:
Make it the General Tso’s chicken brigade and he will follow.
@ 69 heysoos: a good point. The GoP might just avoid any debates until the POTUS race. And make all the primaries closed. vote in the GoP primary and commit your all to the GoP POTUS vote. Nail any obvious cross over as vote fraud.
Just got email from my sister
There was a small earthquake in Alabama earlier today. When a local was asked if he felt the quake, he replied, “Hell a meth trailer blowing up shakes more than that!!”
@ heysoos:
@ Speranza:
thanks but I do my best work inside…
General Tso’s Chicken? a pox upon you ancestors.
Speranza wrote:
nor should he…Hagel is a just a man, no better or worse than you or me…well I’m probably worse, but you’re a reasonable guy
The iphone 4 phone and stun gun.
@ darkwords:
Same-day registration needs to be done away with, too.
darkwords wrote:
Oh bull. Hagel couldn’t hold a candle to 98% of the people here.
Get your own surveillance drone. Only $300. Test the marksmanship of your neighbors. Add a laugh track for when they miss.
darkwords wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1SRtkhh-U
lobo91 wrote:
yes…unfortunate but not a political thing..there are a lot of desperate people down here and I believe she is looking out for us the best she can…don’t be fooled, she is a die hard conservative with her hands tied with Ocare, like many governors she feels the need to act against her instincts…governors have to do that, especially when you rely on federal money…I can’t hold that against her
@ eaglesoars:
Hagel probably wouldn’t know which end of a candle to light.
@ heysoos:
And who’s going to pay for it in the out years?
The Medicaid expansion was just like a crack dealer giving away the first dose.
eaglesoars wrote:
I was trying to be diplomatic…I have no use for Hegal
@ brookly red:Feinkenstein will see that and feel the need to ban all cellphones.
@ 113 heysoos:
To turn the ship around you want to get your captain aboard. The ship still might be full of bad dudes and leaking oil, but at least someone will turn the steering wheel.
lobo91 wrote:
you are, and thanks for you generosity
darkwords wrote:
don’t think the don’t want to any way
darkwords wrote:
reminds me of this song…
heysoos wrote:
Wrong. You apparently don’t understand the issue.
The amount the feds pay goes down each year. Your “conservative” governor just signed your state up for a new entitlement program that you can’t afford. Of course, the full cost won’t kick in until after she’s left office.
@ heysoos:
campaign song. heard it many times never paid attention to the lyrics lol. I have musical cognitive dissonance. For a long time I thought Neil Diamond had a top hit all about dandruff. “Selsun Blue”
heysoos wrote:
YOU???
what are you smoking, I want some
lobo91 wrote:
what can I say besides thanks..the feds own half our state and blow nukes down here, make them here and devise anyway to kill people you can think of…I don’t care who our governor is, the feds own us…we are not your problem
darkwords wrote:
I had the same thing when I was much younger. I remember singing hymns in church such as “Gladly the Cross-eyed Bear” and “Low in the Gravy Lay”.
darkwords wrote:
I like car songs…trust me, it’s no more that that…
lobo91 wrote:
you like to tell people they don’t understand…I get that…I posted Martinez shortcomings and conceded she was not up to your perfection…I’m waiting for the day you post anything positive about any issue, but you seem to need to bust me whenever you can…splitting hairs with Martinez will buy you nothing bro…you are left behind…if you cannot be cool with Martinez you just can’t be satisfied
@ heysoos:
No, I’m just tired of the faux conservatives telling me that I don’t understand that everything is bad except for that one program that they like.
Medicaid spending is one of the main things driving this country--and many of the states--underwater. Expanding it is exactly the wrong thing to be doing.
lobo91 wrote:
I have a simple rule of thumb the suffix “caid” is bad,
lobo91 wrote:
we share the same frustration, and I remind you that New Mexico is almost helpless without fed dollars…but we’ve given up Los Alamos, Sandia, White Sands, Grummon, or whoever they are now…just to get into the Union we had to give up land and precious resources..what the hell more can a state give to the feds?..beat us, we are used to it
The GoP needs it’s own snack candy bar. Should have bacon it. They can call it Voteaid. Make a version for dogs.
lol
heysoos wrote:
I can.
If you “rely on federal money” then what you do is find ways not to rely on federal money.
If New Mexico cannot survive except by subsidy, then it never should have become a state, and it should revert to Territory status.
I had and enlightening experience today at a vet’s office. After much discussion the nice young lady finally accepted that her Medicaid card would not cover her canine companion’s procedure, and that EBT also was not accepted. She reluctantly went out to her double parked Forester and returned with 1,200 cash…
guess who turned the wheel in Fallujah 2…New Mexicans turned that whole fight around…we are patriots down here, regardless of what people think
Zimriel wrote:
hahaha!…welcome to the 21st Century…what’s is done is done, would you have rather had New Mexico revert back to Old Mexico?…who’s the dunce here, you idiot
Zimriel wrote:
Does that mean no vote? Cause Heysoos is down with that… lets take the vote away from PA, OH, IL, CO too… now we are getting somewhere.
looking back, maybe the feds should have shot off all their practice nukes in Ohio, or even better metro Chicago…if anyone thinks that New Mexico doesn’t deserve a seat at the table is a profound idiot..I’m looking at you, you nit wit
@ heysoos:
Reservations should take any casino and federal money and create a youth military grouping. Then they will have some leverage when Obama runs the country into the ground.
@ darkwords:
4 corners. Silver work, nexttahtexas, taos
heysoos wrote:
new jersey and you got a deal.
ABQ is almost the size of Seattle. Didn’t known that. Big Town.
New Mexico is a 48 percent hispanic. A good target for the GoP to get with it. Make it happen there.
darkwords wrote:
the feds open the door to legal, casino gambling,and them condemn them for the profits
darkwords wrote:
not to be judgmental but the numbers game fascinates me… for example my zip code has more people than Boise, or Kansas City, or Charlotte or Jacksonville… weird that.
brookly red wrote:
My old neighborhood in Brooklyn had more people living in it then Billings, Montana.
heysoos wrote:
Profits? We don’t need no stinkin’ profits!
Barack Obama
Speranza wrote:
I am guessing the slope…
darkwords wrote:
Absolutely. Stop conceding territory or groups of people to the Democrats.
brookly red wrote:
No I did not live in trendy Brooklyn. I lived in the real Brooklyn -- Flatlands/Marine Park zip code 11234.
Speranza wrote:
Brooklyn is bigger than some states population wise.
Speranza wrote:
I hope you did not sell cheap… check this out http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1693-E-22nd-St_Brooklyn_NY_11229_M45473-36599
brookly red wrote:
I got my monies worth. lol
Speranza wrote:
OK cause Marine Park is hot now there is no trendy Brooklyn … it’s all hot. Lefferts is like the new upper east side.
just take a few minutes…listen to this
To All:
Anybody who sees or hears from rodan tell him to check his soon to be old e-mail account.
AZOlddog wrote:
email him this very msg at the blog admin email
blogmocracy@gmail.com
whoever is monitoring the admin email will get it to him