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Argo cheats Canada and Britain

by Speranza ( 160 Comments › )
Filed under Cold War, History, Iran, Islamic Terrorism, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Movies at March 1st, 2013 - 5:00 pm

“Argo” is one of the most fatuous movies ever made which claims to depict historical events. As the author notes, Jimmy Carter and his C.I.A. director Stansfield Turner (anticipating by 34 years John Brennan) had so gutted the C.I.A. that, as in the words of some wonk “They (the C.I.A.) could not find their (male genitals) with both their hands”. It was the Canadians and the British who were responsible for first hiding the Americans and then secondly getting them out of Iran, the C.I.A. had little to do with it.  As for Ben Affleck’s introduction and ending quotes, all it does is reinforce the image of him as a clueless Boston leftie with no real knowledge of history. Mohammad Mossadegh (for example) was never elected Prime Minister, he was appointed by the Iranian parliament, and to  say that the Shah for all his faults was no better then the genocidal mullahs who now run Iran is akin to saying that Mohammad Morsi of Egypt is preferable to Hosni Mubarak.

by  Abraham H. Miller

I guess it’s fair to say that Ben Affleck is not doing a documentary … or is he? In a recent interview by Terry Gross with Affleck that I caught on National Public Radio, he notes how he studied the Middle East in college and wanted to include the information on Mohammed Mossadeg and the US intervention in Iranian affairs to bring Shah Palavi to power. Affleck left me with the impression that accuracy was very important to the project.

To underscore the film’s commitment to reality, Affleck included information in the film’s front cards that was important to him as a student of the Middle East. This consisted of the historical context concerning the violent overthrow of Mohammed Mosaddegh and the successful CIA plot to consolidate the power of the shah, Mohammed Pahlava. This coup ultimately, according to many observers, led to the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

Is Argo a story that is fundamentally true but appropriately tweaked to create the successful commercial venture, or is it a dramatization that while inspired by real events is largely a work of fiction with a political message? And, if the latter, as Hillary Clinton might say, “Who cares?”

[.......]

Affleck’s Argo with its endnotes attempts to resuscitate the corpse of Jimmy Carter’s incompetent presidency. Carter has said that it was too bad he couldn’t tell the story of these events because if he had, he probably would have defeated Ronald Reagan in the 1980 presidential contest. This is simply another disingenuous statement from a man given to making them.

Anyone who has studied the relationship between the Carter administration and the CIA knows that Carter was averse to the entire notion of covert operations. Carter’s DCI, Stansfield Turner, is ignominiously remembered among those who served in the intelligence community in those years for what has become known as the Halloween Massacre. This was the wholesale evisceration of much of the covert branch of the agency, with the summary pink-slipping of some 800 to 2800 — depending on whose numbers one accepts — seasoned and well-trained operatives. Carter and his DCI believed that human intelligence (humint) was a remnant of the past.

The first thing that is wrong with this historical revision is the idea that Jimmy Carter’s bashed and crippled CIA could pull off this rescue. Moreover, Carter’s destruction of the effectiveness of the covert branch of the agency meant that with the termination of covert officers, their foreign networks went with them.

The real workings of intelligence are — with obvious exceptions — nothing remotely like what you see in the movies. Espionage is based on a long, slow, and patient process of establishing trust and creating networks among foreigners who will work for you at tremendous risk. Why people spy is a matter far beyond this writing, but suffice it to say that it takes a good intelligence officer, in a foreign post, years to build a reliable espionage network. Fire the officer and the entire network collapses with him. Fire a large number of intelligence officers and foreigners engaged in the game on our behalf will justifiably worry about being exposed and quit.

So, by 1979, it was safe to say that because of Carters’ policies, the CIA had limited covert capabilities and limited human assets in Iran or anywhere else.  The British, French, and Israelis were engaged in trying to recruit from our decapitated networks, but how successful they were is largely unknown. There is, however, hardly any chance that whatever intelligence their networks could have gathered would have been shared with the highly disdained Carter-era CIA or that they would have used their intelligence assets to come to our aid.

The real story of Argo is that six members of the State Department escaped initially to the summer residence of Sir John Graham, the British ambassador, before going to the residence of the Canadian ambassador and his first secretary. Contrary to Affleck, the Brits did not turn away our people.

Since people will think Affleck’s movie is more reality-based than it is, we should cut away from the glitz of the Oscars and acknowledge the role of the Brits, and the risks that they took in coming to the aid of our diplomats. America does not have enough friends in the world to squander the ones we do have. That’s something Barack Obama was too immature to understand when he pointedly returned the bust of Churchill that was a gift from Britain not to him but to the American people.

[.......]

Anyone who has studied the relationship between the Carter administration and the CIA knows that Carter was averse to the entire notion of covert operations. Carter’s DCI, Stansfield Turner, is ignominiously remembered among those who served in the intelligence community in those years for what has become known as the Halloween Massacre. This was the wholesale evisceration of much of the covert branch of the agency, with the summary pink-slipping of some 800 to 2800 — depending on whose numbers one accepts — seasoned and well-trained operatives. Carter and his DCI believed that human intelligence (humint) was a remnant of the past.

The first thing that is wrong with this historical revision is the idea that Jimmy Carter’s bashed and crippled CIA could pull off this rescue. Moreover, Carter’s destruction of the effectiveness of the covert branch of the agency meant that with the termination of covert officers, their foreign networks went with them.

The real workings of intelligence are — with obvious exceptions — nothing remotely like what you see in the movies. Espionage is based on a long, slow, and patient process of establishing trust and creating networks among foreigners who will work for you at tremendous risk. Why people spy is a matter far beyond this writing, but suffice it to say that it takes a good intelligence officer, in a foreign post, years to build a reliable espionage network. Fire the officer and the entire network collapses with him. Fire a large number of intelligence officers and foreigners engaged in the game on our behalf will justifiably worry about being exposed and quit.

So, by 1979, it was safe to say that because of Carters’ policies, the CIA had limited covert capabilities and limited human assets in Iran or anywhere else.  The British, French, and Israelis were engaged in trying to recruit from our decapitated networks, but how successful they were is largely unknown. There is, however, hardly any chance that whatever intelligence their networks could have gathered would have been shared with the highly disdained Carter-era CIA or that they would have used their intelligence assets to come to our aid.

The real story of Argo is that six members of the State Department escaped initially to the summer residence of Sir John Graham, the British ambassador, before going to the residence of the Canadian ambassador and his first secretary. Contrary to Affleck, the Brits did not turn away our people.

[..........]

The people who got the real short end of the stick in Argo were the Canadians. It was First Secretary John Sheardown who took the call from the fleeing Americans and without hesitation granted them a place to hide. Some were hidden in his home. Sheardown died recently, and his wife found the movie disappointing for characterizing him as an observer to an historical event in which he played a fundamental role.

If Affleck wanted to take the high ground, he would run a series of adverts stating that Argo is fiction and the real heroes of the movie were the Canadians, who put their lives on the line for their American cousins and got scarce acknowledgement in return. It wasn’t Tony Mendez or the bashed CIA that got the Americans out, but the Canadians who arranged the vital Canadian passports and the airline tickets through Swiss Air and two other airlines. The Argo cover was unnecessary, and the cliff-hanger scene at the airport was pure invention. The Americans armed with their Canadian papers and with reservations made by Canadian diplomats walked out of Iran without challenge and on to the safety of airplanes.

[.......].

As for Jimmy Carter, he had nearly nothing to do with this. Carter bungled Iran as he bungled nearly everything else. He failed to understand the threat of the ayatollahs, and, according to Robert Dreyfus’s version of events, he sent Air Force General Robert Huyser to further destabilize the shah’s regime. Carter believed that there was a democratic center that was coming to power. He made the same mistake with Iran that Obama made with the Arab Spring.

Neither Argo nor Jimmy Carter’s crude attempts to rewrite history nor Michelle Obama presenting an Oscar for a movie that makes us feel good about what other nations really did in Iran will change what happened. And to the British and especially the Canadians, many of us long for a day when America will apologize to you and appropriately reaffirm the risks and heroism of your people on behalf of ours.

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  1. yenta-fada
    1 | February 28, 2013 6:13 pm

    Ken Taylor, the Canadian Ambassador was the prime mover and planner of the operation. He was given the Order of Canada later in his career.

    Kenneth Douglas “Ken” Taylor, OC (born October 5, 1934) is the founder and Chairman of public consulting firm Taylor and Ryan.[1]

    He is best known for his role in the 1979 covert operation called the Canadian Caper when he was the Canadian ambassador to Iran. With the cooperation of the American Central Intelligence Agency, Taylor helped six Americans escape from Iran during the hostage crisis by getting Canadian passports for the Americans to get past the Iranian Revolutionary guard by posing the six as a Canadian film crew scouting locations for their film. Before the escape, the six Americans spent several weeks hiding in sanctuary in the homes of Taylor and another Canadian diplomat, John Sheardown.[2]


  2. 2 | February 28, 2013 9:18 pm

    Carter: A white, slightly more competent version of Barack Obama


  3. lobo91
    3 | February 28, 2013 9:46 pm

    Ben Affleck and Matt Damon grew up as neighbors of Howard Zinn.

    Pretty much tells you everything you need to know about their interest in historical accuracy.


  4. buzzsawmonkey
    5 | March 1, 2013 5:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Ben Affleck and Matt Damon grew up as neighbors of Howard Zinn.

    Pretty much tells you everything you need to know about their interest in historical accuracy.

    Damon rambles on and on about Howard Zinn when he’s being “wicked smaaaaart” in Good Will Hunting.


  5. Da_Beerfreak
    6 | March 1, 2013 5:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Ben Affleck and Matt Damon grew up as neighbors of Howard Zinn.

    Pretty much tells you everything you need to know about their interest in historical accuracy.

    Damon rambles on and on about Howard Zinn when he’s being “wicked smaaaaart” in Good Will Hunting.

    With my budget, I’m always hunting for bargains at Goodwill… :grin:


  6. coldwarrior
    7 | March 1, 2013 6:05 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    With my budget, I’m always hunting for bargains at Goodwill… :grin:

    thrift shoppin!


  7. Da_Beerfreak
    8 | March 1, 2013 6:24 pm

    Quick!! Someone, anyone?? Send in the Clues…
    Sen. Rubio: Time to provide ammunition to Syrian opposition
    Here we go again… :roll:


  8. heysoos
    9 | March 1, 2013 6:24 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    OT:
    Good for the Rolling Stones; not only do they ignore BDS agitation to play in Israel, but Mick Jagger adds a concert.

    who knew Mick was a champion of freedom, a world class diplomat?…
    he should be SecGen at the UN


  9. heysoos
    10 | March 1, 2013 6:27 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Quick!! Someone, anyone?? Send in the Clues…
    Sen. Rubio: Time to provide ammunition to Syrian opposition
    Here we go again…

    I agree with him but for a different I’d bet…
    kill moar faster


  10. brookly red
    11 | March 1, 2013 6:30 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Quick!! Someone, anyone?? Send in the Clues…
    Sen. Rubio: Time to provide ammunition to Syrian opposition
    Here we go again…

    I agree with him but for a different I’d bet…
    kill moar faster

    I think you mean kill Mo faster :)


  11. Da_Beerfreak
    12 | March 1, 2013 6:34 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Quick!! Someone, anyone?? Send in the Clues…
    Sen. Rubio: Time to provide ammunition to Syrian opposition
    Here we go again…

    I agree with him but for a different I’d bet…
    kill moar faster

    The longer they can drag things out the better it is for the non-islamic west. Let them fight it out with rocks and knives… :twisted:


  12. heysoos
    13 | March 1, 2013 6:41 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Quick!! Someone, anyone?? Send in the Clues…
    Sen. Rubio: Time to provide ammunition to Syrian opposition
    Here we go again…
    I agree with him but for a different I’d bet…
    kill moar faster

    The longer they can drag things out the better it is for the non-islamic west. Let them fight it out with rocks and knives…

    I wonder if some Mo found a tac nuke in an ally if he’d know how to light it up…you know the instructions will be in Arabic


  13. Da_Beerfreak
    14 | March 1, 2013 6:43 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Quick!! Someone, anyone?? Send in the Clues…
    Sen. Rubio: Time to provide ammunition to Syrian opposition
    Here we go again…
    I agree with him but for a different I’d bet…
    kill moar faster

    The longer they can drag things out the better it is for the non-islamic west. Let them fight it out with rocks and knives…

    I wonder if some Mo found a tac nuke in an ally if he’d know how to light it up…you know the instructions will be in Arabic

    When in doubt give a shout to 1-800-PAKI


  14. eaglesoars
    15 | March 1, 2013 6:44 pm

    Dr K on Obama’s presser: He was exceptionally arrogant even for him.


  15. Da_Beerfreak
    16 | March 1, 2013 6:47 pm

    I wonder whose puppy the Boy King is going to kick next… :evil:


  16. heysoos
    17 | March 1, 2013 6:47 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I read the entire transcript….it’s just lie after another
    amazing


  17. heysoos
    18 | March 1, 2013 6:49 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I wonder whose puppy the Boy King is going to kick next…

    he doesn’t kick puppies, he eats them…puppy sushi, not that canned dog


  18. brookly red
    19 | March 1, 2013 6:49 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/avhdmux

    His three-month odyssey through 13 countries—from his homeland of Nepal through South Asia, Brazil, Mexico, and finally into Texas—

    This sounds fishy to me…


  19. heysoos
    20 | March 1, 2013 6:51 pm

    BO’s brutha’s say, don’t go there dude or we’ll throw a fit…this is at least two days old, but nobody dares ask BO if he likes getting kick in the nuts by there very dudes he’s blowing…what say you, BO?
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/1/hamas-warns-obama-dont-visit-temple-mount/


  20. citizen_q
    21 | March 1, 2013 6:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I read the entire transcript….it’s just lie after another
    amazing

    In other words komrade zero was true to form.


  21. eaglesoars
    22 | March 1, 2013 6:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    This sounds fishy to me…

    why?


  22. brookly red
    23 | March 1, 2013 6:54 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    BO’s brutha’s say, don’t go there dude or we’ll throw a fit…this is at least two days old, but nobody dares ask BO if he likes getting kick in the nuts by there very dudes he’s blowing…what say you, BO?
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/1/hamas-warns-obama-dont-visit-temple-mount/

    no biggie he will just whip out his prayer rug and come clean.


  23. heysoos
    24 | March 1, 2013 6:55 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    I read the entire transcript….it’s just lie after another
    amazing

    In other words komrade zero was true to form.

    yeah, you just have to think by the physics of nature that he will blow so much bullshit that he eventually drowns in it…I’ve hoped this for going on five years…they say BO is very smart, that may be, but I say he’s too clever by half and that he will spin himself into a very serious problem….maybe he already has but we don’t see it yet


  24. Da_Beerfreak
    25 | March 1, 2013 6:57 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    http://tinyurl.com/avhdmux

    His three-month odyssey through 13 countries—from his homeland of Nepal through South Asia, Brazil, Mexico, and finally into Texas—

    This sounds fishy to me…

    We don’t need no stinkin’ boarders. Besides, obamacare will have ‘em fixed up good as new in no time. That is if the bitter-clingers would just STFU…


  25. brookly red
    26 | March 1, 2013 6:58 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    This sounds fishy to me…

    why?

    13 countries? maybe he had some logistical support… may this was actually a bio attack? they just happened to catch him and test him? not standard ops to test people they pick up, unless of course they were looking for him.


  26. citizen_q
    27 | March 1, 2013 7:00 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Maybe, even the in the tank media is starting to call him on his lies about sequestration.


  27. Da_Beerfreak
    28 | March 1, 2013 7:00 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    BO’s brutha’s say, don’t go there dude or we’ll throw a fit…this is at least two days old, but nobody dares ask BO if he likes getting kick in the nuts by there very dudes he’s blowing…what say you, BO?
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/1/hamas-warns-obama-dont-visit-temple-mount/

    Since it’s advice from terrorists, he’ll probably take it and go elsewhere for his photo-op. :roll:


  28. heysoos
    29 | March 1, 2013 7:04 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Maybe, even the in the tank media is starting to call him on his lies about sequestration.

    lately, I can’t provide links, but it seems like he’s dissed the media, and like you say, maybe there are cracks in the dam…this stuff can sneak up on you…he says so much BS that I don’t see how he can keep track of it all…I’m hoping the media will force his hand but it’s doubtful yet…see how the MSM is abandoning Woodward…this media thing is a very tough nut, but I’m thinking, if BO starts to actually lose balance, they will turn on him like a rabid coon


  29. heysoos
    30 | March 1, 2013 7:06 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    BO’s brutha’s say, don’t go there dude or we’ll throw a fit…this is at least two days old, but nobody dares ask BO if he likes getting kick in the nuts by there very dudes he’s blowing…what say you, BO?
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/1/hamas-warns-obama-dont-visit-temple-mount/

    Since it’s advice from terrorists, he’ll probably take it and go elsewhere for his photo-op.

    I hope so


  30. citizen_q
    31 | March 1, 2013 7:08 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I am hoping seeing the media feed upon itself by attacking Woodward, will start a few of them who might still be capable of it into doing some serious thinking about the state of journalism and the their chosen idol.


  31. heysoos
    32 | March 1, 2013 7:13 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I am hoping seeing the media feed upon itself by attacking Woodward, will start a few of them who might still be capable of it into doing some serious thinking about the state of journalism and the their chosen idol.

    Rush points out that Woodward is the textbook idol of young jounos and it will be interesting how it turns…Bob is taking a hit on the blogs, but does the MSM have the guts to lay out Woodward?…even if he were wrong will people see the admins response for what it is…time will tell and fairly soon I bet…either way Woodward has not spoken with malice but the BO fans have…if BO wanted to score points he’d call off his poodles


  32. brookly red
    33 | March 1, 2013 7:14 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I am hoping seeing the media feed upon itself by attacking Woodward, will start a few of them who might still be capable of it into doing some serious thinking about the state of journalism and the their chosen idol.

    as much as they are in the tank, the secret fantasy of every reporter is to land “the big one”… move too early the story has no legs, too late someone else beats you to it.

    They are watching & waiting.


  33. heysoos
    34 | March 1, 2013 7:15 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    and more…my daughter always dreamed of being a photographer and pro journo…college, and her new experience with politics turned her away, thank god…I held my breath for like three years over that choice…journos today are bottom feeding whores….mostly


  34. lobo91
    35 | March 1, 2013 7:17 pm

    More Obama lies:

    More Sequester Scare- Obama: Even Janitors And Security Guards On Capitol Hill Will Suffer Cuts

    During today’s press conference, President Obama tried to illustrate the sequester’s negative impact by saying that Capitol Hill’s janitors and security guards will face a pay cut “starting tomorrow.” “They’re going to have less pay,” Obama told reporters. “They just got a pay cut and they’ve got to figure out how to manage that.”

    But CNN’s Capitol Hill reporter Dana Bash spoke with the Senate’s sergeant-at-arms, who oversees the positions mentioned by president, and tweeted that there were no plans to cut their pay, at least for the time being.


  35. heysoos
    36 | March 1, 2013 7:18 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    I am hoping seeing the media feed upon itself by attacking Woodward, will start a few of them who might still be capable of it into doing some serious thinking about the state of journalism and the their chosen idol.

    as much as they are in the tank, the secret fantasy of every reporter is to land “the big one”… move too early the story has no legs, too late someone else beats you to it.
    They are watching & waiting.

    exactly right…govt has made these people timid and pliable…but some buck is going to come along with the guys to say hey, fuck you, I’m on this like stink on shit and I’ll force you to deal with me…that’s what Woodward and Bernstein did


  36. Speranza
    37 | March 1, 2013 7:20 pm

    Ben Affleck is a typical Massachusetts/Hollywood limousine liberal.


  37. citizen_q
    38 | March 1, 2013 7:21 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ brookly red:
    I am hoping seeing one of their heroes treated so shabbily both by the admin and by his colleages some of the smarter and less ethically challenged will start seeing the scum without ideological blinders.

    Maybe just maybe start asking real questions, start doing real reporting.

    I am a dreamer, huh? I haven’t even had an evening drink yet!


  38. Speranza
    39 | March 1, 2013 7:21 pm

    mfhorn wrote:

    Carter: A white, slightly more competent version of Barack Obama

    Glenn Reynolds wrote (paraphrasing) “We knew we were in trouble in January 2009 when we realized that a replay of the Carter Administration was the best we could hope for”.


  39. brookly red
    40 | March 1, 2013 7:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    I am hoping seeing the media feed upon itself by attacking Woodward, will start a few of them who might still be capable of it into doing some serious thinking about the state of journalism and the their chosen idol.

    as much as they are in the tank, the secret fantasy of every reporter is to land “the big one”… move too early the story has no legs, too late someone else beats you to it.
    They are watching & waiting.

    exactly right…govt has made these people timid and pliable…but some buck is going to come along with the guys to say hey, fuck you, I’m on this like stink on shit and I’ll force you to deal with me…that’s what Woodward and Bernstein did

    who will be the next Matt Drudge ? LOL


  40. Speranza
    41 | March 1, 2013 7:22 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rush points out that Woodward is the textbook idol of young jounos and it will be interesting how it turns…Bob is taking a hit on the blogs, but does the MSM have the guts to lay out Woodward?…even if he were wrong will people see the admins response for what it is…time will tell and fairly soon I bet…either way Woodward has not spoken with malice but the BO fans have…if BO wanted to score points he’d call off his poodles

    For the past year it seems that even Woodward saw how incompetent Obama was.


  41. heysoos
    42 | March 1, 2013 7:29 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Rush points out that Woodward is the textbook idol of young jounos and it will be interesting how it turns…Bob is taking a hit on the blogs, but does the MSM have the guts to lay out Woodward?…even if he were wrong will people see the admins response for what it is…time will tell and fairly soon I bet…either way Woodward has not spoken with malice but the BO fans have…if BO wanted to score points he’d call off his poodles
    For the past year it seems that even Woodward saw how incompetent Obama was.

    yes he has, but did you see Woodward all over town with his books, and speaking gigs, no…he makes one honest remark against BO, now he’s white hot…the guy has seen it all and done all, with thought and in a bipartisan fashion, he’s made millions, he’s never had an ax to grind…I have a gut feeling that BO blew this one bigtime


  42. citizen_q
    43 | March 1, 2013 7:30 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Or that he got tired of ignoring the serial lying.


  43. brookly red
    44 | March 1, 2013 7:33 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Rush points out that Woodward is the textbook idol of young jounos and it will be interesting how it turns…Bob is taking a hit on the blogs, but does the MSM have the guts to lay out Woodward?…even if he were wrong will people see the admins response for what it is…time will tell and fairly soon I bet…either way Woodward has not spoken with malice but the BO fans have…if BO wanted to score points he’d call off his poodles
    For the past year it seems that even Woodward saw how incompetent Obama was.

    yes he has, but did you see Woodward all over town with his books, and speaking gigs, no…he makes one honest remark against BO, now he’s white hot…the guy has seen it all and done all, with thought and in a bipartisan fashion, he’s made millions, he’s never had an ax to grind…I have a gut feeling that BO blew this one bigtime

    he did… the one thing O can’t stand is being ridiculed or contradicted. gods have fragile ego :)


  44. heysoos
    45 | March 1, 2013 7:36 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Rush points out that Woodward is the textbook idol of young jounos and it will be interesting how it turns…Bob is taking a hit on the blogs, but does the MSM have the guts to lay out Woodward?…even if he were wrong will people see the admins response for what it is…time will tell and fairly soon I bet…either way Woodward has not spoken with malice but the BO fans have…if BO wanted to score points he’d call off his poodles
    For the past year it seems that even Woodward saw how incompetent Obama was.
    yes he has, but did you see Woodward all over town with his books, and speaking gigs, no…he makes one honest remark against BO, now he’s white hot…the guy has seen it all and done all, with thought and in a bipartisan fashion, he’s made millions, he’s never had an ax to grind…I have a gut feeling that BO blew this one bigtime

    he did… the one thing O can’t stand is being ridiculed or contradicted. gods have fragile ego

    the first person to head butt BO will gone down in American history for 200 years


  45. Speranza
    46 | March 1, 2013 7:38 pm

    @ brookly red:
    You might want to use “Create tiny url” when you have a huge url
    http://tinyurl.com/


  46. brookly red
    47 | March 1, 2013 7:40 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    You might want to use “Create tiny url” when you have a huge url
    http://tinyurl.com/

    heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…


  47. brookly red
    48 | March 1, 2013 7:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    Rush points out that Woodward is the textbook idol of young jounos and it will be interesting how it turns…Bob is taking a hit on the blogs, but does the MSM have the guts to lay out Woodward?…even if he were wrong will people see the admins response for what it is…time will tell and fairly soon I bet…either way Woodward has not spoken with malice but the BO fans have…if BO wanted to score points he’d call off his poodles
    For the past year it seems that even Woodward saw how incompetent Obama was.
    yes he has, but did you see Woodward all over town with his books, and speaking gigs, no…he makes one honest remark against BO, now he’s white hot…the guy has seen it all and done all, with thought and in a bipartisan fashion, he’s made millions, he’s never had an ax to grind…I have a gut feeling that BO blew this one bigtime

    he did… the one thing O can’t stand is being ridiculed or contradicted. gods have fragile ego

    the first person to head butt BO will gone down in American history for 200 years

    Woodward may just have a sword behind that red cape :)


  48. heysoos
    49 | March 1, 2013 7:41 pm

    I would have been all over the sequester bullshit weeks ago in a big way…but Boehner is reacting and not doing so bad…the GOP is letting BO’s road show speak for itself, because they have mountains of ammo against him…useful ordnance for the March showdown…people bitch about the GOP and they should I guess…but it seems to me that this frantic BO PR gig is failing with barely a word from the GOP…if this were a gunfight I’d say we are cool for now…head down, mouth shut til next week


  49. Speranza
    50 | March 1, 2013 7:42 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    You might want to use “Create tiny url” when you have a huge url
    http://tinyurl.com/

    heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…

    Your url ran across the screen!


  50. citizen_q
    51 | March 1, 2013 7:42 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…

    Worried about a url-nalysis?

    /


  51. brookly red
    52 | March 1, 2013 7:44 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…

    Worried about a url-nalysis?

    /

    sheesh, really…


  52. Speranza
    53 | March 1, 2013 7:44 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the first person to head butt BO will gone down in American history for 200 years

    Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu did. Romney did once -- on October 3, 2012 -- but failed to follow up on it in the next two debates and wonkish Paul Ryan allowed Joe Biden to piss all over him all the time he (Paul Ryan) was talking like one of those boring Saturday afternoon C-Span professors about Dodd-Frank.


  53. brookly red
    54 | March 1, 2013 7:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    You might want to use “Create tiny url” when you have a huge url
    http://tinyurl.com/

    heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…

    Your url ran across the screen!

    you know I always got the feeling CJ hated me cause my url was bigger than his.


  54. Speranza
    55 | March 1, 2013 7:45 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…
    Worried about a url-nalysis?
    /

    You’re sounding like Buzzsawmonkey.


  55. Speranza
    56 | March 1, 2013 7:46 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    you know I always got the feeling CJ hated me cause my url was bigger than his.

    CJ had a small intellect and a smaller “manhood” according to iceweasl/Irish Rose rumors.


  56. heysoos
    57 | March 1, 2013 7:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the first person to head butt BO will gone down in American history for 200 years

    Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu did. Romney did once — on October 3, 2012 — but failed to follow up on it in the next two debates and wonkish Paul Ryan allowed Joe Biden to piss all over him all the time he (Paul Ryan) was talking like one of those boring Saturday afternoon C-Span professors about Dodd-Frank.

    yeah I know and that’s good….but I feel I could do the impossible if I had a chance…
    “Heysoos, nice to meet you”…SMASH!…see you guys in life plus 300yrs!


  57. Speranza
    58 | March 1, 2013 7:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    he did… the one thing O can’t stand is being ridiculed or contradicted. gods have fragile ego

    He has a glass jaw and cannot take a punch. Debating a weasel like John McCain was a breeze for a maroon like Barack Obama.


  58. citizen_q
    59 | March 1, 2013 7:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…
    Worried about a url-nalysis?
    /

    You’re sounding like Buzzsawmonkey.

    Thanks! but he is the master.


  59. brookly red
    60 | March 1, 2013 7:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    he did… the one thing O can’t stand is being ridiculed or contradicted. gods have fragile ego

    He has a glass jaw and cannot take a punch. Debating a weasel like John McCain was a breeze for a maroon like Barack Obama.

    I am surprised another head of state has not ripped him a new one yet…


  60. Speranza
    61 | March 1, 2013 7:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    yeah I know and that’s good….but I feel I could do the impossible if I had a chance…
    “Heysoos, nice to meet you”…SMASH!…see you guys in life plus 300yrs!

    I rewatched part of the Biden-Ryan debate and Paul Ryan just let that nasty old man with the hair plugs interrupt and mock him all the while he (Ryan) droned on as if he was an economics professor. Ryan’s awful performance should exclude him from any serious consideration about running for POTUS.

    Ryan should have mentioned all the Biden gaffes however that would have taken up the entire debate.


  61. heysoos
    62 | March 1, 2013 7:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    he did… the one thing O can’t stand is being ridiculed or contradicted. gods have fragile ego

    He has a glass jaw and cannot take a punch. Debating a weasel like John McCain was a breeze for a maroon like Barack Obama.

    I think it’s a reasonable strategy to needle and ridicule him until he blows…probably many drawbacks to that angle, but I’d rather fight and lose than not fight and lose anyway


  62. Speranza
    63 | March 1, 2013 7:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I am surprised another head of state has not ripped him a new one yet…

    The Iranians sure as shit will not.
    I am dreading Obama’s Israel visit.


  63. Speranza
    64 | March 1, 2013 7:53 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I think it’s a reasonable strategy to needle and ridicule him until he blows…probably many drawbacks to that angle, but I’d rather fight and lose than not fight and lose anyway

    Republicans like GHWB, W., McCain, and Romney are only good at attacking other Republicans.


  64. Speranza
    65 | March 1, 2013 7:54 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    citizen_q wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    heh? eww it’s creeps me out that people are watching my url…
    Worried about a url-nalysis?
    /
    You’re sounding like Buzzsawmonkey.

    Thanks! but he is the master.

    He is the head of the pun-dit-ocracy.


  65. brookly red
    66 | March 1, 2013 7:54 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the first person to head butt BO will gone down in American history for 200 years

    Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu did. Romney did once — on October 3, 2012 — but failed to follow up on it in the next two debates and wonkish Paul Ryan allowed Joe Biden to piss all over him all the time he (Paul Ryan) was talking like one of those boring Saturday afternoon C-Span professors about Dodd-Frank.

    yeah I know and that’s good….but I feel I could do the impossible if I had a chance…
    “Heysoos, nice to meet you”…SMASH!…see you guys in life plus 300yrs!

    pssst use my old skool Bronx trick… when you want to head butt someone, always go ahh-ahh first then Choo! as you butt.


  66. heysoos
    67 | March 1, 2013 7:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I think it’s a reasonable strategy to needle and ridicule him until he blows…probably many drawbacks to that angle, but I’d rather fight and lose than not fight and lose anyway

    Republicans like GHWB, W., McCain, and Romney are only good at attacking other Republicans.

    the political wall facing the GOP is formidable, but not impossible…the first order of business is to destroy BO’s cred…almost impossible but worth the effort…to survive the GOP needs a field goal here and the mo that goes with it


  67. brookly red
    68 | March 1, 2013 7:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I am surprised another head of state has not ripped him a new one yet…

    The Iranians sure as shit will not.
    I am dreading Obama’s Israel visit.

    I don’t see him visiting Russia anytime soon :)


  68. heysoos
    69 | March 1, 2013 7:59 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I think it’s a reasonable strategy to needle and ridicule him until he blows…probably many drawbacks to that angle, but I’d rather fight and lose than not fight and lose anyway

    Republicans like GHWB, W., McCain, and Romney are only good at attacking other Republicans.

    the GOP primary system actually hurts them nationally..in this day and age of fake drama, why do they participate in such brazen squabbling?….people watch these primary debates and process them as a reality show


  69. brookly red
    70 | March 1, 2013 8:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I am surprised another head of state has not ripped him a new one yet…

    The Iranians sure as shit will not.
    I am dreading Obama’s Israel visit.

    it is going to be a disaster


  70. Speranza
    71 | March 1, 2013 8:00 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the political wall facing the GOP is formidable, but not impossible…the first order of business is to destroy BO’s cred…almost impossible but worth the effort…to survive the GOP needs a field goal here and the mo that goes with it

    We need touchdowns,not field goals. Home runs,not sacfrigice bunts.


  71. Speranza
    72 | March 1, 2013 8:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    I am surprised another head of state has not ripped him a new one yet…
    The Iranians sure as shit will not.
    I am dreading Obama’s Israel visit.

    it is going to be a disaster

    He will be blunt and harsh with Netanyahu, warm and cuddly with Mahmoud Abbas.


  72. brookly red
    73 | March 1, 2013 8:01 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I think it’s a reasonable strategy to needle and ridicule him until he blows…probably many drawbacks to that angle, but I’d rather fight and lose than not fight and lose anyway
    Republicans like GHWB, W., McCain, and Romney are only good at attacking other Republicans.

    the GOP primary system actually hurts them nationally..in this day and age of fake drama, why do they participate in such brazen squabbling?….people watch these primary debates and process them as a reality show

    and then at the end of the day they let the media choose the most damaged candidate.


  73. citizen_q
    74 | March 1, 2013 8:01 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I am dreading Obama’s Israel visit.

    I am dreading it as well.

    I keep thinking the holy land will be less so, by his presence.


  74. Speranza
    75 | March 1, 2013 8:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the GOP primary system actually hurts them nationally..in this day and age of fake drama, why do they participate in such brazen squabbling?….people watch these primary debates and process them as a reality show

    The “open primary” rules must end immediately!


  75. Speranza
    76 | March 1, 2013 8:03 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    I am dreading it as well.

    I keep thinking the holy land will be less so, by his presence.

    He hates Israel but an Israel visit gives him cover.


  76. brookly red
    77 | March 1, 2013 8:03 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    I am surprised another head of state has not ripped him a new one yet…
    The Iranians sure as shit will not.
    I am dreading Obama’s Israel visit.

    it is going to be a disaster

    He will be blunt and harsh with Netanyahu, warm and cuddly with Mahmoud Abbas.

    I hope he doesn’t try “Mister Netanyahu, tear down this wall” ! They will nuke us


  77. heysoos
    78 | March 1, 2013 8:05 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the political wall facing the GOP is formidable, but not impossible…the first order of business is to destroy BO’s cred…almost impossible but worth the effort…to survive the GOP needs a field goal here and the mo that goes with it
    We need touchdowns,not field goals. Home runs,not sacfrigice bunts.

    the theory is, you take what you can get til you can strike…I understand you, but anything positive is better than nothing…when you’re behind as far as the GOP is, you take it a yard at a time, be cool, don’t make mistakes…in those terms the GOP is cool at the moment…but they need to exploit BO’s behavior and hope for a fumble, some easy points…know what I’m saying?…don’t rush it and play smart


  78. brookly red
    79 | March 1, 2013 8:05 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    I am dreading Obama’s Israel visit.

    I am dreading it as well.

    I keep thinking the holy land will be less so, by his presence.

    so a pillar of fire came from the sky, and he turned into a pillar of salt? Who knew?


  79. Speranza
    80 | March 1, 2013 8:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I hope he doesn’t try “Mister Netanyahu, tear down this wall” ! They will nuke us

    He’d love to say something dramatic like that. James Baker “Here is our phone number, give us a call if you are serious about peace” bullshit insulting comment.


  80. Speranza
    81 | March 1, 2013 8:08 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the theory is, you take what you can get til you can strike…I understand you, but anything positive is better than nothing…when you’re behind as far as the GOP is, you take it a yard at a time, be cool, don’t make mistakes…in those terms the GOP is cool at the moment…but they need to exploit BO’s behavior and hope for a fumble, some easy points…know what I’m saying?…don’t rush it and play smart

    Any points scored are good but for too long our offense resembled the 2012 Jets offense withth McCain/Romney as the Mark Sanchez/Tim Tebow of the GOP.


  81. brookly red
    82 | March 1, 2013 8:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I hope he doesn’t try “Mister Netanyahu, tear down this wall” ! They will nuke us

    He’d love to say something dramatic like that. James Baker “Here is our phone number, give us a call if you are serious about peace” bullshit insulting comment.

    if he says Ich bin ein palistine it’s on!


  82. heysoos
    83 | March 1, 2013 8:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the theory is, you take what you can get til you can strike…I understand you, but anything positive is better than nothing…when you’re behind as far as the GOP is, you take it a yard at a time, be cool, don’t make mistakes…in those terms the GOP is cool at the moment…but they need to exploit BO’s behavior and hope for a fumble, some easy points…know what I’m saying?…don’t rush it and play smart
    Any points scored are good but for too long our offense resembled the 2012 Jets offense withth McCain/Romney as the Mark Sanchez/Tim Tebow of the GOP.

    the GOP better realize, and quick, that times are changing fast and those old school people need to find a pasture…I don’t believe for a second that conservatism is dead, battered maybe but that’s just when the fight picks up…if the GOP does not embrace OFA tactics, they will die because of them


  83. Speranza
    84 | March 1, 2013 8:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    I hope he doesn’t try “Mister Netanyahu, tear down this wall” ! They will nuke us
    He’d love to say something dramatic like that. James Baker “Here is our phone number, give us a call if you are serious about peace” bullshit insulting comment.

    if he says Ich bin ein palistine it’s on!

    lol. In his heart of hearts he is a Palestinian.


  84. Speranza
    85 | March 1, 2013 8:18 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the GOP better realize, and quick, that times are changing fast and those old school people need to find a pasture…I don’t believe for a second that conservatism is dead, battered maybe but that’s just when the fight picks up…if the GOP does not embrace OFA tactics, they will die because of them

    For once I would love to see the GOP with a candidate and a campaign structure with an absolute commitment to victory.


  85. brookly red
    86 | March 1, 2013 8:19 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    For once I would love to see the GOP with a candidate and a campaign structure with an absolute commitment to victory.

    yeah and for once I would like to win the Powerball…


  86. Speranza
    87 | March 1, 2013 8:21 pm

    Just like Scipio Africanus studied Hannibal Barca’s tactics in order to defeat him at the Battle of Zama, we need to study the tactics of OFA and the Council for American Progress to learn how to defeat the Democrats.


  87. heysoos
    88 | March 1, 2013 8:21 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the GOP better realize, and quick, that times are changing fast and those old school people need to find a pasture…I don’t believe for a second that conservatism is dead, battered maybe but that’s just when the fight picks up…if the GOP does not embrace OFA tactics, they will die because of them
    For once I would love to see the GOP with a candidate and a campaign structure with an absolute commitment to victory.

    they are out there, willing to be nurtured…I am very impressed with Rubio and the Cruzer…and for me that’s saying a lot…I like these guys, I really do


  88. brookly red
    89 | March 1, 2013 8:22 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Just like Scipio Africanus studied Hannibal Barca’s tactics in order to defeat him at the Battle of Zama, we need to study the tactics of OFA and the Council for American Progress to learn how to defeat the Democrats.

    easy, lie cheat and steal…


  89. Speranza
    90 | March 1, 2013 8:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    For once I would love to see the GOP with a candidate and a campaign structure with an absolute commitment to victory.

    yeah and for once I would like to win the Powerball…

    As of now your odds of winning powerball are greater than our overthrowing the Rovian machine of “small ball” politics.


  90. Speranza
    91 | March 1, 2013 8:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Just like Scipio Africanus studied Hannibal Barca’s tactics in order to defeat him at the Battle of Zama, we need to study the tactics of OFA and the Council for American Progress to learn how to defeat the Democrats.

    easy, lie cheat and steal…

    It’s not that facile. They are better organized, motivated, and most importantly patient (look how they have taken over so many institutions of power (movies, media, academia) all tehe while America as essentially a center-right nation. We spend our time however having our candidates pledge their fealty to “family values”.


  91. Speranza
    92 | March 1, 2013 8:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    they are out there, willing to be nurtured…I am very impressed with Rubio and the Cruzer…and for me that’s saying a lot…I like these guys, I really do

    So do I. I also like Susana Martinez.


  92. heysoos
    93 | March 1, 2013 8:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    For once I would love to see the GOP with a candidate and a campaign structure with an absolute commitment to victory.
    yeah and for once I would like to win the Powerball…

    As of now your odds of winning powerball are greater than our overthrowing the Rovian machine of “small ball” politics.

    we are coming to a time when movement, rapid response is the nature of politics, not droning your excuses at a presser


  93. Speranza
    94 | March 1, 2013 8:29 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    For once I would love to see the GOP with a candidate and a campaign structure with an absolute commitment to victory.
    yeah and for once I would like to win the Powerball…
    As of now your odds of winning powerball are greater than our overthrowing the Rovian machine of “small ball” politics.

    we are coming to a time when movement, rapid response is the nature of politics, not droning your excuses at a presser

    Please in 2016, no more 9-9-9 type of candidates to suck the oxygen out of the room.


  94. heysoos
    95 | March 1, 2013 8:30 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    they are out there, willing to be nurtured…I am very impressed with Rubio and the Cruzer…and for me that’s saying a lot…I like these guys, I really do
    So do I. I also like Susana Martinez.

    she’s a strict shooter, she folded on the drivers license gig only because of the fed Dream Act, not wanting to impose a hardship for principle…I like her and I despise most pols…she good in my foxhole, so far


  95. brookly red
    96 | March 1, 2013 8:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Just like Scipio Africanus studied Hannibal Barca’s tactics in order to defeat him at the Battle of Zama, we need to study the tactics of OFA and the Council for American Progress to learn how to defeat the Democrats.

    easy, lie cheat and steal…

    It’s not that facile. They are better organized, motivated, and most importantly patient (look how they have taken over so many institutions of power (movies, media, academia) all tehe while America as essentially a center-right nation. We spend our time however having our candidates pledge their fealty to “family values”.

    and there is the weakness… Americans are not patient by nature. Somewhere between the the destruction of civil society and the establishment of “utopia” is a window of opportunity. It will not be pretty nor polite.


  96. heysoos
    97 | March 1, 2013 8:33 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    For once I would love to see the GOP with a candidate and a campaign structure with an absolute commitment to victory.
    yeah and for once I would like to win the Powerball…
    As of now your odds of winning powerball are greater than our overthrowing the Rovian machine of “small ball” politics.
    we are coming to a time when movement, rapid response is the nature of politics, not droning your excuses at a presser

    Please in 2016, no more 9-9-9 type of candidates to suck the oxygen out of the room.

    that’s why I like both Rubio and Cruz…they don’t make shit up, they don’t back away from tough questions, they lace up and go to work


  97. lobo91
    98 | March 1, 2013 8:37 pm

    @ heysoos:

    she’s a strict shooter, she folded on the drivers license gig only because of the fed Dream Act, not wanting to impose a hardship for principle…I like her and I despise most pols…she good in my foxhole, so far

    She also folded on the Medicaid expansion.


  98. Speranza
    99 | March 1, 2013 8:39 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    she’s a strict shooter, she folded on the drivers license gig only because of the fed Dream Act, not wanting to impose a hardship for principle…I like her and I despise most pols…she good in my foxhole, so far

    She would bring obvious assets to any political race.


  99. darkwords
    100 | March 1, 2013 8:40 pm

    Some extra filler in the post.

    Anyone who has studied the relationship between the Carter administration and the CIA knows that Carter was averse to the entire notion of covert operations. Carter’s DCI, Stansfield Turner, is ignominiously remembered among those who served in the intelligence community in those years for what has become known as the Halloween Massacre.

    occurs twice


  100. heysoos
    101 | March 1, 2013 8:40 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I have a rescue party, armed and eager to find you and haul your ass out of NYC, why, I don’t know…they call themselves the Pizza Red Brigade…show yourself to hasten the snatch


  101. Speranza
    102 | March 1, 2013 8:40 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    that’s why I like both Rubio and Cruz…they don’t make shit up, they don’t back away from tough questions, they lace up and go to work

    I like the way Ted Cruz dealt with Chuck Hagel at Hagel’s confirmation hearing. He did not show him any deference.


  102. Speranza
    103 | March 1, 2013 8:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I have a rescue party, armed and eager to find you and haul your ass out of NYC, why, I don’t know…they call themselves the Pizza Red Brigade…show yourself to hasten the snatch

    Make it the General Tso’s chicken brigade and he will follow.


  103. darkwords
    104 | March 1, 2013 8:43 pm

    @ 69 heysoos: a good point. The GoP might just avoid any debates until the POTUS race. And make all the primaries closed. vote in the GoP primary and commit your all to the GoP POTUS vote. Nail any obvious cross over as vote fraud.


  104. eaglesoars
    105 | March 1, 2013 8:43 pm

    Just got email from my sister

    There was a small earthquake in Alabama earlier today. When a local was asked if he felt the quake, he replied, “Hell a meth trailer blowing up shakes more than that!!”


  105. brookly red
    106 | March 1, 2013 8:46 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ Speranza:

    thanks but I do my best work inside…

    General Tso’s Chicken? a pox upon you ancestors.


  106. heysoos
    107 | March 1, 2013 8:46 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    that’s why I like both Rubio and Cruz…they don’t make shit up, they don’t back away from tough questions, they lace up and go to work
    I like the way Ted Cruz dealt with Chuck Hagel at Hagel’s confirmation hearing. He did not show him any deference.

    nor should he…Hagel is a just a man, no better or worse than you or me…well I’m probably worse, but you’re a reasonable guy


  107. darkwords
    108 | March 1, 2013 8:47 pm

    The iphone 4 phone and stun gun.


  108. lobo91
    109 | March 1, 2013 8:48 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Same-day registration needs to be done away with, too.


  109. eaglesoars
    110 | March 1, 2013 8:49 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Hagel is a just a man, no better or worse than you or me…

    Oh bull. Hagel couldn’t hold a candle to 98% of the people here.


  110. darkwords
    111 | March 1, 2013 8:50 pm

    Get your own surveillance drone. Only $300. Test the marksmanship of your neighbors. Add a laugh track for when they miss.


  111. brookly red
    112 | March 1, 2013 8:51 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    The iphone 4 phone and stun gun.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1SRtkhh-U


  112. heysoos
    113 | March 1, 2013 8:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    she’s a strict shooter, she folded on the drivers license gig only because of the fed Dream Act, not wanting to impose a hardship for principle…I like her and I despise most pols…she good in my foxhole, so far
    She also folded on the Medicaid expansion.

    yes…unfortunate but not a political thing..there are a lot of desperate people down here and I believe she is looking out for us the best she can…don’t be fooled, she is a die hard conservative with her hands tied with Ocare, like many governors she feels the need to act against her instincts…governors have to do that, especially when you rely on federal money…I can’t hold that against her


  113. lobo91
    114 | March 1, 2013 8:51 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Oh bull. Hagel couldn’t hold a candle to 98% of the people here.

    Hagel probably wouldn’t know which end of a candle to light.


  114. lobo91
    115 | March 1, 2013 8:52 pm

    @ heysoos:

    And who’s going to pay for it in the out years?

    The Medicaid expansion was just like a crack dealer giving away the first dose.


  115. heysoos
    116 | March 1, 2013 8:52 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    Hagel is a just a man, no better or worse than you or me…
    Oh bull. Hagel couldn’t hold a candle to 98% of the people here.

    I was trying to be diplomatic…I have no use for Hegal


  116. darkwords
    117 | March 1, 2013 8:52 pm

    @ brookly red:Feinkenstein will see that and feel the need to ban all cellphones.


  117. darkwords
    118 | March 1, 2013 8:54 pm

    @ 113 heysoos:
    To turn the ship around you want to get your captain aboard. The ship still might be full of bad dudes and leaking oil, but at least someone will turn the steering wheel.


  118. heysoos
    119 | March 1, 2013 8:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    And who’s going to pay for it in the out years?
    The Medicaid expansion was just like a crack dealer giving away the first dose.

    you are, and thanks for you generosity


  119. brookly red
    120 | March 1, 2013 8:56 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ brookly red:Feinkenstein will see that and feel the need to ban all cellphones.

    don’t think the don’t want to any way


  120. heysoos
    121 | March 1, 2013 8:56 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 113 heysoos:
    To turn the ship around you want to get your captain aboard. The ship still might be full of bad dudes and leaking oil, but at least someone will turn the steering wheel.

    reminds me of this song…


  121. lobo91
    122 | March 1, 2013 9:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    And who’s going to pay for it in the out years?
    The Medicaid expansion was just like a crack dealer giving away the first dose.
    you are, and thanks for you generosity

    Wrong. You apparently don’t understand the issue.

    The amount the feds pay goes down each year. Your “conservative” governor just signed your state up for a new entitlement program that you can’t afford. Of course, the full cost won’t kick in until after she’s left office.


  122. darkwords
    123 | March 1, 2013 9:03 pm

    @ heysoos:
    campaign song. heard it many times never paid attention to the lyrics lol. I have musical cognitive dissonance. For a long time I thought Neil Diamond had a top hit all about dandruff. “Selsun Blue”


  123. eaglesoars
    124 | March 1, 2013 9:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I was trying to be diplomatic

    YOU???

    what are you smoking, I want some


  124. heysoos
    125 | March 1, 2013 9:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    And who’s going to pay for it in the out years?
    The Medicaid expansion was just like a crack dealer giving away the first dose.
    you are, and thanks for you generosity
    Wrong. You apparently don’t understand the issue.
    The amount the feds pay goes down each year. Your “conservative” governor just signed your state up for a new entitlement program that you can’t afford. Of course, the full cost won’t kick in until after she’s left office.

    what can I say besides thanks..the feds own half our state and blow nukes down here, make them here and devise anyway to kill people you can think of…I don’t care who our governor is, the feds own us…we are not your problem


  125. huckfunn
    126 | March 1, 2013 9:08 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    campaign song. heard it many times never paid attention to the lyrics lol. I have musical cognitive dissonance. For a long time I thought Neil Diamond had a top hit all about dandruff. “Selsun Blue”

    I had the same thing when I was much younger. I remember singing hymns in church such as “Gladly the Cross-eyed Bear” and “Low in the Gravy Lay”.


  126. heysoos
    127 | March 1, 2013 9:09 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    campaign song. heard it many times never paid attention to the lyrics lol. I have musical cognitive dissonance. For a long time I thought Neil Diamond had a top hit all about dandruff. “Selsun Blue”

    I like car songs…trust me, it’s no more that that…


  127. heysoos
    128 | March 1, 2013 9:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    And who’s going to pay for it in the out years?
    The Medicaid expansion was just like a crack dealer giving away the first dose.
    you are, and thanks for you generosity
    Wrong. You apparently don’t understand the issue.
    The amount the feds pay goes down each year. Your “conservative” governor just signed your state up for a new entitlement program that you can’t afford. Of course, the full cost won’t kick in until after she’s left office.

    you like to tell people they don’t understand…I get that…I posted Martinez shortcomings and conceded she was not up to your perfection…I’m waiting for the day you post anything positive about any issue, but you seem to need to bust me whenever you can…splitting hairs with Martinez will buy you nothing bro…you are left behind…if you cannot be cool with Martinez you just can’t be satisfied


  128. lobo91
    129 | March 1, 2013 9:26 pm

    @ heysoos:

    No, I’m just tired of the faux conservatives telling me that I don’t understand that everything is bad except for that one program that they like.

    Medicaid spending is one of the main things driving this country--and many of the states--underwater. Expanding it is exactly the wrong thing to be doing.


  129. brookly red
    130 | March 1, 2013 9:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    No, I’m just tired of the faux conservatives telling me that I don’t understand that everything is bad except for that one program that they like.

    Medicaid spending is one of the main things driving this country--and many of the states--underwater. Expanding it is exactly the wrong thing to be doing.

    I have a simple rule of thumb the suffix “caid” is bad,


  130. heysoos
    131 | March 1, 2013 9:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    No, I’m just tired of the faux conservatives telling me that I don’t understand that everything is bad except for that one program that they like.
    Medicaid spending is one of the main things driving this country--and many of the states--underwater. Expanding it is exactly the wrong thing to be doing.

    we share the same frustration, and I remind you that New Mexico is almost helpless without fed dollars…but we’ve given up Los Alamos, Sandia, White Sands, Grummon, or whoever they are now…just to get into the Union we had to give up land and precious resources..what the hell more can a state give to the feds?..beat us, we are used to it


  131. darkwords
    132 | March 1, 2013 9:35 pm

    The GoP needs it’s own snack candy bar. Should have bacon it. They can call it Voteaid. Make a version for dogs.


  132. darkwords
    133 | March 1, 2013 9:36 pm

    lol

    Help us make SF the first ‘Fun Free City’ in America RT @SanFranciscoBOS: Help us make San Francisco the First “Gluten Free City” in America
    Retweeted by mollycrabapple


  133. 134 | March 1, 2013 9:38 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    don’t be fooled, she is a die hard conservative with her hands tied with Ocare, like many governors she feels the need to act against her instincts…governors have to do that, especially when you rely on federal money…I can’t hold that against her

    I can.

    If you “rely on federal money” then what you do is find ways not to rely on federal money.

    If New Mexico cannot survive except by subsidy, then it never should have become a state, and it should revert to Territory status.


  134. brookly red
    135 | March 1, 2013 9:39 pm

    I had and enlightening experience today at a vet’s office. After much discussion the nice young lady finally accepted that her Medicaid card would not cover her canine companion’s procedure, and that EBT also was not accepted. She reluctantly went out to her double parked Forester and returned with 1,200 cash…


  135. heysoos
    136 | March 1, 2013 9:39 pm

    guess who turned the wheel in Fallujah 2…New Mexicans turned that whole fight around…we are patriots down here, regardless of what people think


  136. heysoos
    137 | March 1, 2013 9:43 pm

    Zimriel wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    don’t be fooled, she is a die hard conservative with her hands tied with Ocare, like many governors she feels the need to act against her instincts…governors have to do that, especially when you rely on federal money…I can’t hold that against her
    I can.
    If you “rely on federal money” then what you do is find ways not to rely on federal money.
    If New Mexico cannot survive except by subsidy, then it never should have become a state, and it should revert to Territory status.

    hahaha!…welcome to the 21st Century…what’s is done is done, would you have rather had New Mexico revert back to Old Mexico?…who’s the dunce here, you idiot


  137. brookly red
    138 | March 1, 2013 9:44 pm

    Zimriel wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    don’t be fooled, she is a die hard conservative with her hands tied with Ocare, like many governors she feels the need to act against her instincts…governors have to do that, especially when you rely on federal money…I can’t hold that against her

    I can.

    If you “rely on federal money” then what you do is find ways not to rely on federal money.

    If New Mexico cannot survive except by subsidy, then it never should have become a state, and it should revert to Territory status.

    Does that mean no vote? Cause Heysoos is down with that… lets take the vote away from PA, OH, IL, CO too… now we are getting somewhere.


  138. heysoos
    139 | March 1, 2013 9:47 pm

    looking back, maybe the feds should have shot off all their practice nukes in Ohio, or even better metro Chicago…if anyone thinks that New Mexico doesn’t deserve a seat at the table is a profound idiot..I’m looking at you, you nit wit


  139. darkwords
    140 | March 1, 2013 9:48 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Inhabited by Indigenous peoples of the Americas for many centuries, New Mexico has also been part of the Imperial Spanish viceroyalty of New Spain, part of Mexico, and a U.S. territory. Among U.S. states, New Mexico has the highest percentage of Hispanics, including descendants of Spanish colonists and recent immigrants from Latin America. It also has the second-highest percentage of Indigenous peoples of the Americas, after Alaska, and the fourth-highest total number of Indigenous peoples of the Americas after California, Oklahoma, and Arizona.[6] The tribes in the state consist of mostly Navajo and Pueblo peoples. As a result, the demographics and culture of the state are unique for their strong Hispanic and Native-American influences. The flag of New Mexico is represented by the red and gold colors, which represent Spain, as well as the Zia symbol, an ancient symbol for the sun of that Pueblo-related tribe.

    Reservations should take any casino and federal money and create a youth military grouping. Then they will have some leverage when Obama runs the country into the ground.


  140. darkwords
    141 | March 1, 2013 9:50 pm

    @ darkwords:
    4 corners. Silver work, nexttahtexas, taos


  141. brookly red
    142 | March 1, 2013 9:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    looking back, maybe the feds should have shot off all their practice nukes in Ohio, or even better metro Chicago…if anyone thinks that New Mexico doesn’t deserve a seat at the table is a profound idiot..I’m looking at you, you nit wit

    new jersey and you got a deal.


  142. darkwords
    143 | March 1, 2013 9:54 pm

    ABQ is almost the size of Seattle. Didn’t known that. Big Town.


  143. darkwords
    144 | March 1, 2013 9:55 pm

    New Mexico is a 48 percent hispanic. A good target for the GoP to get with it. Make it happen there.


  144. heysoos
    145 | March 1, 2013 9:57 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Inhabited by Indigenous peoples of the Americas for many centuries, New Mexico has also been part of the Imperial Spanish viceroyalty of New Spain, part of Mexico, and a U.S. territory. Among U.S. states, New Mexico has the highest percentage of Hispanics, including descendants of Spanish colonists and recent immigrants from Latin America. It also has the second-highest percentage of Indigenous peoples of the Americas, after Alaska, and the fourth-highest total number of Indigenous peoples of the Americas after California, Oklahoma, and Arizona.[6] The tribes in the state consist of mostly Navajo and Pueblo peoples. As a result, the demographics and culture of the state are unique for their strong Hispanic and Native-American influences. The flag of New Mexico is represented by the red and gold colors, which represent Spain, as well as the Zia symbol, an ancient symbol for the sun of that Pueblo-related tribe.
    Reservations should take any casino and federal money and create a youth military grouping. Then they will have some leverage when Obama runs the country into the ground.

    the feds open the door to legal, casino gambling,and them condemn them for the profits


  145. darkwords
    146 | March 1, 2013 9:59 pm

    You Know You’re From New Mexico When...
    You buy green chile the bushel and red chile by the gallon.
    You can correctly pronounce words like Tesuque, Cerrillos, Acoma, Buena, Ocotillo, Cochiti, Pojoaque, Socorro and Isleta (and you know what or where they are).
    You have been told by at least one out-of-state vendor that they are going to charge you extra for international shipping.
    You have been complimented in other states for how well you speak English.
    You know what an Arroyo is.
    You expect to pay more if your house is made of straw and mud.
    You can order your Big Mac with green chile.
    You buy salsa by the half-gallon.
    You know what it means when they say it’s from Hatch.
    Your Christmas decorations include red chiles, a half-ton of sand and 200 paper bags. And chile pepper lights on your tree.
    You believe that bags of sand with a candle in them are perfectly acceptable Christmas decorations.
    Your swamp cooler got knocked off your roof by a dust devil.
    You can actually hear the Taos hum.
    You hated Texans until the Californians moved in.
    You iron your jeans to dress up.


  146. brookly red
    147 | March 1, 2013 10:00 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    ABQ is almost the size of Seattle. Didn’t known that. Big Town.

    not to be judgmental but the numbers game fascinates me… for example my zip code has more people than Boise, or Kansas City, or Charlotte or Jacksonville… weird that.


  147. Speranza
    148 | March 1, 2013 10:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    ABQ is almost the size of Seattle. Didn’t known that. Big Town.

    not to be judgmental but the numbers game fascinates me… for example my zip code has more people than Boise, or Kansas City, or Charlotte or Jacksonville… weird that.

    My old neighborhood in Brooklyn had more people living in it then Billings, Montana.


  148. Speranza
    149 | March 1, 2013 10:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the feds open the door to legal, casino gambling,and them condemn them for the profits

    Profits? We don’t need no stinkin’ profits!
    Barack Obama


  149. brookly red
    150 | March 1, 2013 10:02 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    ABQ is almost the size of Seattle. Didn’t known that. Big Town.

    not to be judgmental but the numbers game fascinates me… for example my zip code has more people than Boise, or Kansas City, or Charlotte or Jacksonville… weird that.

    My old neighborhood in Brooklyn had more people living in it then Billings, Montana.

    I am guessing the slope…


  150. Speranza
    151 | March 1, 2013 10:03 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    New Mexico is a 48 percent hispanic. A good target for the GoP to get with it. Make it happen there.

    Absolutely. Stop conceding territory or groups of people to the Democrats.


  151. Speranza
    152 | March 1, 2013 10:03 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    darkwords wrote:
    ABQ is almost the size of Seattle. Didn’t known that. Big Town.
    not to be judgmental but the numbers game fascinates me… for example my zip code has more people than Boise, or Kansas City, or Charlotte or Jacksonville… weird that.
    My old neighborhood in Brooklyn had more people living in it then Billings, Montana.

    I am guessing the slope…

    No I did not live in trendy Brooklyn. I lived in the real Brooklyn -- Flatlands/Marine Park zip code 11234.


  152. brookly red
    153 | March 1, 2013 10:04 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    ABQ is almost the size of Seattle. Didn’t known that. Big Town.

    not to be judgmental but the numbers game fascinates me… for example my zip code has more people than Boise, or Kansas City, or Charlotte or Jacksonville… weird that.

    My old neighborhood in Brooklyn had more people living in it then Billings, Montana.

    Brooklyn is bigger than some states population wise.


  153. brookly red
    154 | March 1, 2013 10:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    darkwords wrote:
    ABQ is almost the size of Seattle. Didn’t known that. Big Town.
    not to be judgmental but the numbers game fascinates me… for example my zip code has more people than Boise, or Kansas City, or Charlotte or Jacksonville… weird that.
    My old neighborhood in Brooklyn had more people living in it then Billings, Montana.

    I am guessing the slope…

    No I did not live in trendy Brooklyn. I lived in the real Brooklyn — Flatlands/Marine Park zip code 11234.

    I hope you did not sell cheap… check this out http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1693-E-22nd-St_Brooklyn_NY_11229_M45473-36599


  154. Speranza
    155 | March 1, 2013 10:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I hope you did not sell cheap… check this out http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1693-E-22nd-St_Brooklyn_NY_11229_M45473-36599

    I got my monies worth. lol


  155. brookly red
    156 | March 1, 2013 10:28 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I hope you did not sell cheap… check this out http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1693-E-22nd-St_Brooklyn_NY_11229_M45473-36599

    I got my monies worth. lol

    OK cause Marine Park is hot now there is no trendy Brooklyn … it’s all hot. Lefferts is like the new upper east side.


  156. heysoos
    157 | March 1, 2013 10:33 pm

    just take a few minutes…listen to this


  157. 158 | March 1, 2013 11:24 pm

    To All:

    Anybody who sees or hears from rodan tell him to check his soon to be old e-mail account.


  158. darkwords
    159 | March 2, 2013 12:03 am

    Brad ‏@BradBroaddus
    It has taken me forever to put together this IKEA joke.


  159. eaglesoars
    160 | March 2, 2013 12:05 am

    AZOlddog wrote:

    To All:

    Anybody who sees or hears from rodan tell him to check his soon to be old e-mail account.

    email him this very msg at the blog admin email

    blogmocracy@gmail.com

    whoever is monitoring the admin email will get it to him


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