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Obama’s fear is that Sequestration will not bring disaster

by Speranza ( 175 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Conservatism, government, Republican Party, Unions at March 1st, 2013 - 1:00 pm

Obama has been big on the whole doomsday scenario thing (“fiscal cliff, “armageddon”) hasn’t he? As Dr. K. points out, Obama’s real goal is to destroy the Republican Party, not reduce the deficit.

by Charles Krauthammer

“The worst-case scenario for us,” a leading anti-budget-cuts lobbyist told The Post, “is the sequester hits and nothing bad really happens.”

Think about that. Worst case? That a government drowning in debt should cut back by 2.2 percent — and the country survives. That a government now borrowing 35 cents of every dollar it spends reduces that borrowing by two cents “and nothing bad really happens.” Oh, the humanity!

A normal citizen might think this a good thing. For reactionary liberalism, however, whatever sum our ever-inflating government happens to spend today (now double what Bill Clinton spent in his last year) is the Platonic ideal — the reduction of which, however minuscule, is a national calamity.

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Hence the president’s message. If the “sequestration” — automatic spending cuts — goes into effect, the skies will fall. Plane travel jeopardized, carrier groups beached, teachers furloughed. And a shortage of junk-touching TSA agents.

The Obama administration has every incentive to make the sky fall, lest we suffer that terrible calamity — cuts the nation survives. Are they threatening to pare back consultants, conferences, travel and other nonessential fluff? Hardly. It shall be air-traffic control. Meat inspection. Weather forecasting.

A 2011 Government Accountability Office report gave a sampling of the vastness of what could be cut, consolidated and rationalized in Washington: 44 overlapping job training programs, 18 for nutrition assistance, 82 (!) on teacher quality, 56 dealing with financial literacy, more than 20 for homelessness, etc. Total annual cost: $100 billion-$200 billion, about two to five times the entire domestic sequester.

Are these on the chopping block? No sir. It’s firemen first. That’s the phrase coined in 1976 by legendary Washington Monthly editor Charlie Peters to describe the way government functionaries beat back budget cuts. [.....] The DMV back office, stacked with nepotistic incompetents, remains intact. Shrink it and no one would notice. Sell the firetruck — the people scream and the city council falls silent about any future cuts.

[.......].

Because of this year’s payroll tax increase, millions of American workers have had to tighten their belts by precisely 2 percent. They found a way. Washington, spending $3.8 trillion, cannot? If so, we might as well declare bankruptcy now and save the attorneys’ fees.

The problem with sequestration, of course, is that the cuts are across the board and do not allow money to move between accounts. It’s dumb because it doesn’t discriminate.

Fine. Then change the law. That’s why we have a Congress. Discriminate. Prioritize. That’s why we have budgets. Except that the Democratic Senate hasn’t passed one in four years. And the White House, which proposed the sequester in the first place, had 18 months to establish rational priorities among accounts — and did nothing.

When the GOP House passed an alternative that cut where the real money is — entitlement spending — President Obama threatened a veto. Meaning, he would have insisted that the sequester go into effect — the very same sequester he now tells us will bring on Armageddon.

Good grief. The entire sequester would have reduced last year’s deficit from $1.33 trillion to $1.24 trillion. A fraction of a fraction. Nonetheless, insists Obama, such a cut is intolerable. It has to be “balanced” — i.e., largely replaced — by yet more taxes.

Which demonstrates that, for Obama, this is not about deficit reduction, which interests him not at all. The purpose is purely political: to complete his Election Day victory by breaking the Republican opposition.

At the fiscal cliff, Obama broke — and split — the Republicans on taxes. With the sequester, he intends to break them on spending. Make the cuts as painful as possible, and watch the Republicans come crawling for a “balanced” (i.e., tax-hiking) deal.

In the past two years, House Republicans stopped cold Obama’s left-liberal agenda. Break them now, and the road is open to resume enactment of the expansive, entitlement-state liberalism that Obama proclaimed in his second inaugural address.

But he cannot win if “nothing bad really happens.” Indeed, he’d look both foolish and cynical for having cried wolf.

Obama’s incentive to deliberately make the most painful and socially disruptive cuts possible (say, oh, releasing illegal immigrants from prison) is enormous. And alarming.

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  1. 1 | March 1, 2013 1:18 pm

    The most overhyped “disaster” since the Mayan Calander deal…


  2. buzzsawmonkey
    2 | March 1, 2013 1:24 pm

    Obama will be working overtime (to use the term very loosely) to ensure that anything that can be done to make the sequester hurt as many people as possible will do so.

    Even if there is little actual pain despite his best-worst efforts (and there will probably be plenty), the media will be working in their loudest possible overdrive to blame everything from hangnails to weather incidents on the sequester. You think the global-warming blamefest was over the top? It will be as nothing compared to the Sequester Blamefest we will see from now until Boehner crumples like a cheap umbrella in a hurricane. Gun violence? Sequester. Late arrival by the fire department? Sequester. Johnny can’t read? Sequester. Ptomaine poisoning at a restaurant? Sequester. Skyrocketing gas or electricity prices, rise in unemployment, terrorist incident? Sequester.

    And of course all of these Sequester Ills will be blamed on…wait for it…the Intransigent Republicans. Obama and the media will be drumming this into the heads of the lowinfovoes for two years—to ensure that the Democrats re-take the House.


  3. Speranza
    3 | March 1, 2013 1:34 pm

    He really wants to destroy the Republican Party and have the one party dictatorship he craves.


  4. buzzsawmonkey
    4 | March 1, 2013 1:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    He really wants to destroy the Republican Party and have the one party dictatorship he craves.

    We is all Chicago now.


  5. Speranza
    5 | March 1, 2013 1:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    He really wants to destroy the Republican Party and have the one party dictatorship he craves.

    We is all Chicago now.

    Look out Mogadishu here we come!


  6. buzzsawmonkey
    6 | March 1, 2013 1:39 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Look out Mogadishu here we come!

    I’m going out to get a Blackhawk Down™ winter jacket.


  7. 7 | March 1, 2013 1:41 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    And we need to keep pointing to the things that could be cut instead. Hey Mr. President, I heard NPR this morning, why is that still operating while fire and police are getting the boot? What about cowboy poetry and the NEA etc? Are we still giving money to those disparate former ACORN groups etc? How much of that Stimulus money is left, why not use that to shore up the fire and police protection?

    The opportunity to hang this albatross around his neck is palpable, and we need to tie it to him


  8. 8 | March 1, 2013 1:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Get some 5.56 while you’re at it -- might need it.


  9. citizen_q
    9 | March 1, 2013 1:45 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Can we afford to gift the muslim brotherhood with advanced arms? Nix the F16s and Abrams.


  10. buzzsawmonkey
    10 | March 1, 2013 1:45 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Well, NPR is going to stay because it is the Administration’s prime propaganda outlet to the lowinfovoes who went to college.

    By the way—did you hear this morning’s featurette on NPR about some artist who had done “edgy” work like crafting an AK-47 out of porcelain, and a teapot in the shape of Hitler’s head?

    He was considered all cutting-edge because of his “ironic” work—and now it comes out that he’s a white supremacist and a Holocaust denier, and the art world is all atwitter about how to “respond to” these revelations.

    An example of the hilarity which ensues when “art” is not about creating but about attitude; as long as he was “being ironic,” his work was acceptable, but now that it comes out he was in some way serious the art, such as it is, is called into question.


  11. 11 | March 1, 2013 2:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Somewhere, the Gods of stupidity are laughing themselves into wet diapers.


  12. 12 | March 1, 2013 2:02 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Great example! There has to be hundreds of these. Fire with both barrels my brother.


  13. 13 | March 1, 2013 2:06 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    He really wants to destroy the Republican Party and have the one party dictatorship he craves.

    That is what OFA is all about.


  14. 14 | March 1, 2013 2:07 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    @ Speranza:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Here’s is Gingrich’s plan to take on OFA.


  15. 15 | March 1, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He’s completely backpedaling over the immediate effects of the sequester because he knows that there effectually are none. However, when the economy/unemployment/consumer confidence/GDP slides into the toilet, not because of sequestration, but because of the disastrous policies of his administration, he will point and blame it ALL on sequestration.


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | March 1, 2013 2:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:
    @ Speranza:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Here’s is Gingrich’s plan to take on OFA.

    gotta have a plan, a message, and a vehicle to get that message out in the most convincing way possible.

    that’s 3 big tasks. i’m glad someone over at gop at least sees the need to counter ofa.


  17. buzzsawmonkey
    17 | March 1, 2013 2:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Here’s is Gingrich’s plan to take on OFA.

    I wouldn’t call that a plan so much as a blueprint for building a plan.

    It articulates principles, and important principles—but it’s not a “plan” until the GOP, or some other conservative group(s), get together, start to pony up some dough, and seek to realize issue statements, organize delivery systems, and arrange with people to articulate the issues and to provide financial and technical support.


  18. 18 | March 1, 2013 2:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    And if he thinks the NRA is going to let OFA go after them unchallenged, he’s got another think coming.


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | March 1, 2013 2:17 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    However, when the economy/unemployment/consumer confidence/GDP slides into the toilet, not because of sequestration, but because of the disastrous policies of his administration, he will point and blame it ALL on sequestration.

    Absolutely.


  20. 20 | March 1, 2013 2:18 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Frankly, even though we all don’t agree with everything he says or does, I would most definitely put Marco Rubio out there anytime we need help on message. That’s my opinion of course -- your mileage may vary.


  21. 21 | March 1, 2013 2:19 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The NRA is the organization that has gotten the better of OFA.


  22. 22 | March 1, 2013 2:20 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Marco Rubio and Rand Paul are the best spokesmen we have.


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | March 1, 2013 2:20 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    However, when the economy/unemployment/consumer confidence/GDP slides into the toilet, not because of sequestration, but because of the disastrous policies of his administration, he will point and blame it ALL on sequestration.

    and somehow the right has to counter that. need some killer infrastructure, maybe something that gets that message out.

    :lol:


  24. coldwarrior
    24 | March 1, 2013 2:22 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Frankly, even though we all don’t agree with everything he says or does, I would most definitely put Marco Rubio out there anytime we need help on message. That’s my opinion of course — your mileage may vary.

    rubio is brilliant! the way he played off the water bottle event was classic.

    a standard goper would have got all grumpy about the press making fun of him. he made fun of himself and it faded away almost on day one.


  25. BatGuano
    25 | March 1, 2013 2:23 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Strategy + tactics = plan.


  26. 26 | March 1, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ coldwarrior:

    Rubio gets the Popular Culture.

    Here is saying that Lil Wayne is no Tupac.

    I never liked Tupac and I think Lil Wayne is garbage. But Wayne is going around saying he’s the new Tupac. I think Nas and Rakim are the best of all time. But at least Rubio is talking about subjects younger voters can relate to.


  27. 27 | March 1, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    You absoluetly correct. Newt is a General who needs an army.


  28. coldwarrior
    28 | March 1, 2013 2:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Rubio gets the Popular Culture.
    Here is saying that Lil Wayne is no Tupac.
    I never liked Tupac and I think Lil Wayne is garbage. But Wayne is going around saying he’s the new Tupac. I think Nas and Rakim are the best of all time. But at least Rubio is talking about subjects younger voters can relate to.

    tupac was a once in a generation occurrence.

    how DARE marco talk to anyone under 30!

    :lol:


  29. 29 | March 1, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yes Rubio is evil!
    /////


  30. heysoos
    30 | March 1, 2013 2:30 pm

    but can Rubio do the Harlem Shake?…if not I suggest he learn


  31. 31 | March 1, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ heysoos:

    he probably can. I do like that song myself!


  32. 32 | March 1, 2013 2:32 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Exactly -- His SOTU response notwithstanding, Rubio is smooth in his ability to articulate the conservative viewpointithout coming off as arrogant, and has a lovely dignity and an aura of statesmanship about him that works. He’s happy to laugh at himself, which is such a rare quality in politics these days. He’s also smart -- while Romney limited his appearances to Hannity -- Rubio is equally at home on both Rush’s show and especially on Levin’s -- and it’s Levin who appeals to those more to the right of the talk radio audience. One of Romney’s BIGGEST mistakes, to me, was not going on Rush or Levin and convincing the “hard” right that they should vote for him.


  33. Buffalobob
    33 | March 1, 2013 2:33 pm

    The excess bloating fat in our government bureaucracies could be cut by 25% and still be over staffed.


  34. 34 | March 1, 2013 2:33 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Harlem Shake? I barely made it through that awful Macarena!


  35. heysoos
    35 | March 1, 2013 2:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    he probably can. I do like that song myself!

    if people only respond to AmIdol pols, then give them the Shake with some intellectual firepower, and I big toothy grin…


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | March 1, 2013 2:34 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    The excess bloating fat in our government bureaucracies could be cut by 25% and still be over staffed.

    i’ll see your 25 and raise ya 15….


  37. heysoos
    37 | March 1, 2013 2:34 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Harlem Shake? I barely made it through that awful Macarena!

    a lot of votes there


  38. 38 | March 1, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ Buffalobob:

    And that whole releasing of illegals because they could not afford to “hold them.” But we don’t need to worry, because the little criminals will be supervised.

    Um…so let me get this straight. You have enough money to “supervise” them but not enough money to “detain” them? I had no idea $22 billion bought so much.


  39. 39 | March 1, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Romney was too busy running away from the Base. How’d that work out for him?


  40. citizen_q
    40 | March 1, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Tupac, sixpack, at this point, what difference does it make? :-)

    Or in other words, I have no idea who these guys are. Yes, I am out of touch.


  41. heysoos
    41 | March 1, 2013 2:37 pm

    I don’t pay that much attention to the blather, but Rubio seems to have a very cool confidence about him, and a sense of principle, a conviction…he may be a natural leader as opposed to the box sets we get nowdays


  42. 42 | March 1, 2013 2:38 pm

    Hell, the pork in the Hurricane Sandy bill they just passed could have covered the money for the sequester. And why do they keep calling it “cuts”? These aren’t cuts, are they -- they are a decrease in the amount the budget would have increased for these departments, etc., correct. I thought that’s what I heard someone say on CNBC this morning.

    They’re raving over the stock market highs — and when the market finally falls because they can’t sustain it, it’s going to be UGLY.


  43. BatGuano
    43 | March 1, 2013 2:39 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Tupac, sixpack, at this point, what difference does it make?
    Or in other words, I have no idea who these guys are. Yes, I am out of touch.

    I’m with you. I’ll take a sixpack fer sure over a tupac shakur.


  44. heysoos
    44 | March 1, 2013 2:40 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Buffalobob:
    And that whole releasing of illegals because they could not afford to “hold them.” But we don’t need to worry, because the little criminals will be supervised.
    Um…so let me get this straight. You have enough money to “supervise” them but not enough money to “detain” them? I had no idea $22 billion bought so much.

    personally I like the karma on this one…I think it’s gonna bite them in the ass…give people a little time to sort things out..the feds are now out every dime they invested in the detentions…poof, out the window


  45. heysoos
    45 | March 1, 2013 2:43 pm

    I read this morning that BO’s weekend with Tiger Woods would have covered the cost of around 400 furloughed govt workers…the feds are so bloated with fat you pick out your cuts with a dartboard


  46. 46 | March 1, 2013 2:43 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Romney was too busy running away from the Base. How’d that work out for him?

    I don’t know if it COMPLETELY cost him the election, but I imagine it was a hugh contributing factor. He never went to the base sources and articulated to them directly why it was important to vote for him. Even a little mea culpa would have gone a long way. “Sure, I know that you would like someone that is considered more along the lines of Newt Gingrich, and I’ll pledge to you here and now that I will certainly seek the advise of conservatives voices to make sure the viewpoint gets a hearing.”

    Would have gone a long way. Instead, he thought “hey, they HAVE to vote for me.” No, they don’t. They’re stubborn that way, and they were sick of sh*t sandwiches from the GOP.


  47. 47 | March 1, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Rubio doesn’t need a speechwriter -- he’s able to articulate the principles because he genuinely believes the principles. Obama needs his talking points fed to him because while he stands for Marxism, someone else has to wax the goalposts for him.


  48. heysoos
    48 | March 1, 2013 2:52 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Dr Carson is the same…no notes, he knows what he wants to say and out it comes…belief in his own words, exactly as you said


  49. heysoos
    49 | March 1, 2013 2:55 pm

    BO flat out lies…his budget proposals were so over the top, even Reid would not bring them (2) to a vote

    THE PRESIDENT: Well, no, but I’m trying to clarify the question. What I’m suggesting is, I’ve put forward a plan that calls for serious spending cuts, serious entitlement reforms, goes right at the problem that is at the heart of our long-term deficit problem.


  50. Speranza
    50 | March 1, 2013 2:56 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I’m going out to get a Blackhawk Down™ winter jacket.

    “Survivor Mogadishu”.


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | March 1, 2013 2:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Marco Rubio and Rand Paul are the best spokesmen we have.

    Ted Cruz
    —apologies to Huey “Piano” Smith, Frankie Ford, and “Sea Cruise”

    Low-info voters are all confused
    Obama’s got ‘em singin’ the sequester blues
    Conservatives don’t fight back, they’re goin’ to lose
    Gotta counter arguments like Ted Cruz

    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Gotta counter arguments like Ted Cruz

    People are hurtin’, don’t realize who’s to blame
    Pin the tale on the donkey, that’s the name of the game

    Obama’s built himself a media machine
    Lack of accountability’s become obscene
    Conservatives don’t fight back, they’re going to lose
    Gotta counter arguments like Ted Cruz

    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Gotta counter arguments like Ted Cruz

    The country’s being carved up into interest groups
    People have to realize that free stuff is for dupes
    Conservatives don’t fight back, they’re going to lose
    Gotta counter arguments like Ted Cruz

    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Gotta counter arguments like Ted Cruz

    People are hurtin’, don’t realize who’s to blame
    Pin the tale on the donkey, that’s the name of the game

    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Ooee, oooeee, baby
    Gotta counter arguments like Ted Cruz


  52. 52 | March 1, 2013 2:58 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    They have enough money to give al-Qaeda in Syria 60 million but can’t keep people locked up nor give kids vaccines.

    Why do I smell BS?


  53. 53 | March 1, 2013 2:59 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    An example of the hilarity which ensues when “art” is not about creating but about attitude; as long as he was “being ironic,” his work was acceptable, but now that it comes out he was in some way serious the art, such as it is, is called into question.

    “Irony” was annoying as hell when Seinfeld did it, and it’s even more so now. People can decry we Boomers all they want, but at least we didn’t see “being a smartass” as being some kind of higher calling.


  54. 54 | March 1, 2013 2:59 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Romney was too busy running away from the Base. How’d that work out for him?

    I sometimes doubt Romney wanted to win. How can astute businessman not come up with an answer to OFA?

    Heck, the GOP still does not want to counter OFA.


  55. 55 | March 1, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    BTW I am convinced the Outsider is OFA.


  56. 56 | March 1, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Carson is getting some serious attention on the blogs for his remarks. He’s actually been rather forthcoming that he’s approaching retirement and is entertaining entering the arena so to speak.

    Let’s see….Cain, Scott, Carson, Rubio, Love, Cruz -- yeah, we got a real problem with minorities here on the right, don’t we? It’s too bad they’re all intelligent and articulate and brimming with smarts and confidence….if only we could get them to make stupid statements like just about every member of the Congressional Black Caucus, we might get them some air time.


  57. citizen_q
    57 | March 1, 2013 3:01 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    These aren’t cuts, are they — they are a decrease in the amount the budget would have increased for these departments, etc.

    That is my understanding as well. I can’t break my wife of watching network news. I find it insulting it so superficial and biased. Everytime they have someone on talking about the horrors to befall us under sequestration. I remind my wife of baseline budgeting, and point out that the cuts are cuts to the increases in the budget. We will still be spending more.

    The layoffs and prisoner releases are grabbermint temper tantrums.

    And I working for a large grabbermint contractor am under the gun from sequester cuts.


  58. heysoos
    58 | March 1, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ Rodan:
    if the GOP doesn’t drop what fails and respond to OFA, they are finished…
    it’s a new paradigm


  59. coldwarrior
    59 | March 1, 2013 3:02 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    People can decry we Boomers all they want, but at least we didn’t see “being a smartass” as being some kind of higher calling.

    george carlin…


  60. 60 | March 1, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I’m convinced the Outsider is a 12-year-old attending remedial reading classes in the 7th grade and comes here to play the juvenile game of “annoy the adults.”


  61. citizen_q
    61 | March 1, 2013 3:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Let’s see….Cain, Scott, Carson, Rubio, Love, Cruz -

    Please don’t forget Col. West. I hope we hear more from him.


  62. heysoos
    62 | March 1, 2013 3:02 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    we need some yellow guys…call some yellow guys


  63. coldwarrior
    63 | March 1, 2013 3:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Heck, the GOP still does not want to counter OFA.

    those new fangled computors will never catch on anyway! stick with the teletype network! it works better!

    :roll:


  64. citizen_q
    64 | March 1, 2013 3:04 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    but at least we didn’t see “being a smartass” as being some kind of higher calling.

    I see it as an inexpensive hobby. Just ask my wife. /


  65. eaglesoars
    65 | March 1, 2013 3:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    How can astute businessman not come up with an answer to OFA?

    Trust me. When they looked at the pre-cursort ot OFA, they had no clue what it really was.


  66. buzzsawmonkey
    66 | March 1, 2013 3:06 pm

    “Evolved”: DOJ to ask Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage in California — and beyond?

    Told you.

    Told you.

    I said that the fix was in; that the New York case would be used to void DOMA (because actually repealing legislation is something Obama cannot deign to try and do), and that once the New York state law was used to void the federal law, “equal protection” would be used to void the Prop 8 vote and impose same-sex marriage nationwide—thereby also voiding the Tenth Amendment, since this would deny California voters the right to amend their own state constitution.

    If the First DA/DT Justice, who was appointed to write this opinion, does in fact get to write it, the First and Tenth Amendments are a hollowed shell.


  67. 67 | March 1, 2013 3:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    In other words they dismissed it.


  68. coldwarrior
    68 | March 1, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    the gay marriage thing i dont care about. the 10th amendment thing i do care about. fedzilla is ready to strike again


  69. Speranza
    69 | March 1, 2013 3:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    Romney was too busy running away from the Base. How’d that work out for him?
    I sometimes doubt Romney wanted to win. How can astute businessman not come up with an answer to OFA?
    Heck, the GOP still does not want to counter OFA.

    Romney did nothing but suck up to the base. His attacks on Gingrich and Perry were despicable.


  70. coldwarrior
    70 | March 1, 2013 3:12 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    How can astute businessman not come up with an answer to OFA?
    Trust me. When they looked at the pre-cursort ot OFA, they had no clue what it really was.

    you expected the gop to be smart?


  71. Speranza
    71 | March 1, 2013 3:12 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    Let’s see….Cain, Scott, Carson, Rubio, Love, Cruz -

    Please don’t forget Col. West. I hope we hear more from him.

    He needs to run again for office and be elected.


  72. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | March 1, 2013 3:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the gay marriage thing i dont care about. the 10th amendment thing i do care about. fedzilla is ready to strike again

    You should care about both, if you value free speech, freedom of association, and freedom of religion—all that nice First Amendment stuff—as well as the concept of federalism.

    The gutting of the Tenth Amendment is merely the icing on the cake. The gay-rights movement’s push for “marriage” over domestic partnership is a vehicle for narrowing the First Amendment under the guise of combating “hate speech,” for making it illegal to choose whom your business will serve, and for cracking down on traditional religions.


  73. 73 | March 1, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Those attacks on Perry and Newt were used by OFA against him.


  74. 74 | March 1, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    How will they crack down on traditional religions?


  75. Da_Beerfreak
    75 | March 1, 2013 3:16 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Propaganda works… :roll:


  76. 76 | March 1, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Don’t you know that Guam might tip over if you put too many troops on it?


  77. 77 | March 1, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The 10th amendment was gutted long ago. It’s as dead as the P&I clause of the 14th. Or yesterday’s fish -- whichever you prefer.


  78. heysoos
    78 | March 1, 2013 3:19 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    Propaganda works…

    it must because every decayed, dying, liberal ghetto in America voted for him twice…I call them cows because they are herded, then led to slaughter for someone else’s benefit


  79. Da_Beerfreak
    79 | March 1, 2013 3:20 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ Rodan:
    if the GOP doesn’t drop what fails and respond to OFA, they are finished…
    it’s a new paradigm

    The GOPee is too busy fighting the evil TEA party Folks to bother with the OFA. Got to keep to the priorities.


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    80 | March 1, 2013 3:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    How will they crack down on traditional religions?

    Teaching Biblical morality will become “hate speech.” There have already been condemnations of churches teaching Biblical morality in Europe—and we are more than halfway there now. You think the attack on the Catholic Church where contraception/abortion is concerned is only on the health care front? Wake up.

    There have already been lawsuits against florists, caterers, wedding photographers, bed and breakfasts, and catering facilities that have politely declined same-sex marriage business. You don’t think there will be lawsuits against churches that do not wish to make their facilities available, once the Supreme Court declares same-sex marriage a “civil right” under the Constitution? “We’re not limiting freedom of religion, we’re combating hate speech.”


  81. lobo91
    81 | March 1, 2013 3:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    How will they crack down on traditional religions?

    How about when some woman sues the Catholic Church for not allowing her to become a priest?

    It will happen.


  82. 82 | March 1, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That is why we need our own OFA. Thatw ay we can use the Dems dumb qoutes against them nationwide.

    But like you said the Consultant Class is not interesting in winning. They just want their paycheck and invites to the right parties.


  83. Da_Beerfreak
    83 | March 1, 2013 3:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Heck, the GOP still does not want to counter OFA.

    those new fangled computors will never catch on anyway! stick with the teletype network! it works better!

    Teletypes run on electricity. GOPee leadership is still using bicycle messengers… :roll:


  84. 84 | March 1, 2013 3:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    george carlin…

    Point well taken- we weren’t immune but we didn’t have hot and cold running “smartass” 24/7. It seems that this culture just never tires of snide remarks and examples of “irony”; it’s like a kid with a new word who finds a way to work it into every sentence. It’s cuteness wears thin pretty quickly.

    I see the phenomenon as a way people protect themselves against actually feeling any real emotion, sense of seriousness or reality and precludes having an opinion on anything. Making a smart ass remark in response to a serious statement or question insulates one and masquerades as “above the fray”. Perhaps I’m over thinking it, but I don’t think so.


  85. Calo
    85 | March 1, 2013 3:31 pm

    @ Rodan:
    OT -- McCain linked to DoD today

    We have a McCainalanche: Memo From the Lunatic Fringe: LGF Attacking ‘Anchor Baby Malkin’: http://theothermccain.com/2013/03/01/memo-from-the-lunatic-fringe-lgf-attacking-anchor-baby-malkin/


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | March 1, 2013 3:31 pm

    I will remind people here, yet again: the gay-rights movement was a communist movement from its inception in the 19th century. Its main exponent in pre-Hitler Germany was a communist. The founders of the pre-Stonewall gay-rights organizations were communists; one of them was also the founder of NAMBLA.

    The post-Stonewall gay-rights movement was founded by Maoists and SDS members, and “the destruction of marriage” was one of their goals. Marriage is now the movement’s number one must-have; Cloward-Piven, anyone?

    The movement perfected the politics of personal destruction in 1977, in South Florida; it also built a national fundraising network at that time. The AIDs epidemic of the mid-Eighties made “gay rights” a popular cause with the larger society; in the meantime, gender-studies departments dedicated to the destruction of “heteronormativity” were established on practically every college campus, and their graduates infest the universities, the law schools, and many other places. The movement, which claims to speak for a population which is, in actuality, minuscule, has managed to suppress free speech, interfere with schools and parenting, and is busily attacking free exercise of religion.

    Oh, but same-sex marriage is no big deal, because the nice couple down the street keeps their lawn so nice.


  87. 87 | March 1, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Calo:

    Cool!


  88. 88 | March 1, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    :lol:


  89. 89 | March 1, 2013 3:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    How about when some woman sues the Catholic Church for not allowing her to become a priest?

    It will happen.

    I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already. I’m praying our next Holy Father has the heart of a lion and the longevity to take the battle o the enemies of the traditional Church, within and without, as well as to the enemies of God in general.

    The Catholic Church and the United States have much in common; both require much renewal and repair work and we’ll both require God’s help to accomplish it.


  90. 90 | March 1, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I wish the opponents of Gay Marriage had stressed that.


  91. 91 | March 1, 2013 3:41 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Okay, who are you referring to when you say the BASE? Because I think we’re all using different words. I’m referring to the Conservative base.


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    92 | March 1, 2013 3:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I wish the opponents of Gay Marriage had stressed that.

    I wish the opponents of same-sex marriage had said, simply: “You have spent 40 years stressing your difference. We accept your difference—and therefore will grant you domestic partnership protections, but not “marriage.” We will not invent a new form of marriage to accommodate you.”


  93. citizen_q
    93 | March 1, 2013 3:44 pm

    This is a bit O/T, and I posted it late on the old thread. It did not get much interest, but I thought it so illuminating into the mindset of the demoncrat’s cavalier attitude to government spending, I thought I would post it once more.

    Bloomberg posits that the US Government can spend without limit, because the amount people will lend to the US Government is infinite. Too big to fail. Lent so much money our creditors cannot afford to stop or the house of card will collapse.

    Mayor Bloomberg: Don’t Panic About the Sequester

    Furthermore, while saying the federal deficit does indeed need to be curtailed, Mr. Bloomberg argued the United States could owe “an infinite amount of money” and there is no specific amount that would cause the country to default.

    “We are spending money we don’t have,” Mr. Bloomberg explained. “It’s not like your household. In your household, people are saying, ‘Oh, you can’t spend money you don’t have.’ That is true for your household because nobody is going to lend you an infinite amount of money. When it comes to the United States federal government, people do seem willing to lend us an infinite amount of money. … Our debt is so big and so many people own it that it’s preposterous to think that they would stop selling us more. It’s the old story: If you owe the bank $50,000, you got a problem. If you owe the bank $50 million, they got a problem. And that’s a problem for the lenders. They can’t stop lending us more money.”


  94. lobo91
    94 | March 1, 2013 3:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I wish the opponents of Gay Marriage had stressed that.

    This is the final front in a multi-pronged assault on the family and traditional culture in America.

    Once those are destroyed, there will be no remaining barriers for the left to complete their “fundamental transformation” of America.


  95. 95 | March 1, 2013 3:45 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Instead when they had the advantage it tunred into Gays are evil and going to destroy the country. The hyperbole made the gays sympathetic. hence why we are in the situation we are in now.


  96. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | March 1, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Or, they could have said: “Your communist-founded movement was born with the objective of destroying marriage; now you want us to make it available. Explain this change of movement objective—and do not do so in terms referring to “love,” since that is not the issue. Do not compare your desire for the legal creation of a new form of marriage to the abolition of anti-miscegenation laws; the two are not comparable, since you are demanding a new creation and the abolition of anti-miscegenation laws merely removed an extraneous legal impediment to otherwise-valid marriages.

    Explain yourselves, and explain the reasons for the changes in your movement’s objectives—for without such an explanation there is no reason to listen to you.”


  97. 97 | March 1, 2013 3:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The Right botched the Gay Marriage fight big time.


  98. 98 | March 1, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yup, but thatw as not the course taken. The hateful rhetoric made gays the victims. With help of the Media, Gays used the attacks on them to gain sympathy.


  99. coldwarrior
    99 | March 1, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    sounds about right to me.


  100. buzzsawmonkey
    100 | March 1, 2013 3:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    This is the final front in a multi-pronged assault on the family and traditional culture in America.

    Once those are destroyed, there will be no remaining barriers for the left to complete their “fundamental transformation” of America.

    But it’s no big deal, because I like my gay friends. And the couple down the street make such nice casseroles. And my hairdresser is a really funny guy.

    The Left always uses the personal example to obscure the real issue.


  101. 101 | March 1, 2013 3:52 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The Left always uses the personal example to obscure the real issue

    The personal is political. The Left always told us that. We just didn’t listen.


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    102 | March 1, 2013 3:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Yup, but thatw as not the course taken. The hateful rhetoric made gays the victims. With help of the Media, Gays used the attacks on them to gain sympathy.

    Rope-a-dope. Too many people started quoting Leviticus instead of reading up on the movement’s history.

    Of course, even Leviticus does not say anything against “homosexuality.” That word was invented in the 19th century, when pseudoscience invented “homosexuality” as a separate category of human behavior. The Bible condemns homosexual behavior—not desire, not a condition—and even those prescribed penalties could not be imposed without the testimony of two witnesses, which means that anyone could engage in homosexual behavior if they kept it on the downlow. Furthermore, since there is a separate injunction in Deuteronomy against men as well as women acting as sacred prostitutes, there was a clear recognition that such behavior existed and would persist.


  103. 103 | March 1, 2013 3:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Read this!

    Chris Chocola: Karl Rove’s got it ‘backwards’

    The president of the Club for Growth says that Republican guru Karl Rove doesn’t “really care what [a candidate’s] core beliefs are.”

    “What Karl Rove and some of the establishment groups only care about is the brand,” Chris Chocola said Thursday on CBS’s “Face to Face.” “They only care if someone’s a Republican or not. They don’t


  104. Speranza
    104 | March 1, 2013 4:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Okay, who are you referring to when you say the BASE? Because I think we’re all using different words. I’m referring to the Conservative base.

    The socially conservative (both hard core and less hard core like me, low taxes, strong national defense, 10th amendment crowd). If anything Obama lost voters and many of them sat it out. Unfortunately they did not vote Republican. Romney topped McCain’s vote total of 2008 and Obama lost votes yet Romney did not pick up enough of the disaffected Obama voters to change the race and all after four years of Marxism. Pourquoi?


  105. 105 | March 1, 2013 4:02 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s what I’ve been saying. Rove doesn’t care about promoting an agenda. I don’t think he even cares about winning elections. At the end of the day, he is only loyal to his paycheck.


  106. 106 | March 1, 2013 4:06 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Too many people started quoting Leviticus instead of reading up on the movement’s history.

    That seems to have happened with many topics. The Right uses nasty hyperbole language and turns people off. The Left then uses that issue to club the Right with.


  107. 107 | March 1, 2013 4:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Having been married and divorced a number of times, (I buy perfume in 6 packs around holiday time,) I must say I can not for the life of me figure out why Gay People would want to get married anyhow. With that being said, I say if trapped misery with overwhelming desires to commit violent homicide is what they wish to aspire to, let em have at it.


  108. Speranza
    108 | March 1, 2013 4:07 pm

    That’s what I’ve been saying. Rove doesn’t care about promoting an agenda. I don’t think he even cares about winning elections. At the end of the day, he is only loyal to his paycheck.

    Rove sees himself as a King maker. He is the worst form of political being. An unscrupulous Bull shit artist. “Conservative Victory Project” -- that fat pig is not even remotely a conservative.


  109. Speranza
    109 | March 1, 2013 4:09 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Having been married and divorced a number of times, (I buy perfume in 6 packs around holiday time,) I must say I can not for the life of me figure out why Gay People would want to get married anyhow. With that being said, I say if trapped misery with overwhelming desires to commit violent homicide is what they wish to aspire to, let em have at it.

    My thoughts exactly. They can be as happy or miserable as any one else.


  110. 110 | March 1, 2013 4:09 pm

    @ Speranza:

    yet Romney did not pick up enough of the disaffected Obama voters to change the race and all after four years of Marxism. Pourquoi?

    OFA tactics of data-mining, behavioral analysis and embedding professional volunteers in neighborhoods. They allwoed Obama to discourgae disaffected voters and get the amount of voters needed to the polls.


  111. 111 | March 1, 2013 4:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That’s what I’ve been saying. Rove doesn’t care about promoting an agenda. I don’t think he even cares about winning elections. At the end of the day, he is only loyal to his paycheck.

    yup, that’s why I don’t see the GOP doing anything to counter OFA.

    Welcome to a One Party Nation!


  112. lobo91
    112 | March 1, 2013 4:10 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    I always joked that the real people behind the gay marriage movement were divorce lawyers looking for a new market.


  113. 113 | March 1, 2013 4:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    yet Romney did not pick up enough of the disaffected Obama voters to change the race and all after four years of Marxism. Pourquoi?

    OFA tactics of data-mining, behavorial analysis and embedding professional volunteers in neighborhoods. They allowed Obama to discourage disaffected voters and get the amount of voters needed to the polls.


  114. 114 | March 1, 2013 4:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Flyovercountry:
    I always joked that the real people behind the gay marriage movement were divorce lawyers looking for a new market.

    Who makes up part of the base of the Democrats? The Lawyers. So you are not far off.


  115. 115 | March 1, 2013 4:12 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Who ever made up the term wedded bliss has to have been one of the cruelest motherf%$#$#ers ever to have walked the Earth.


  116. lobo91
    116 | March 1, 2013 4:13 pm

    Is there a more disingenuous person in Congress than Charlie Rangel?

    He’s on with Neil Cavuto right now insisting that “closing loopholes” isn’t raising taxes.


  117. 117 | March 1, 2013 4:15 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Recently, the Supreme Court has been caught upholding this particular one. It still is included, and just because it was once ignored does not mean that that particular bit of lunacy will continue in perpetuity.


  118. Speranza
    118 | March 1, 2013 4:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    OFA tactics of data-mining, behavioral analysis and embedding professional volunteers in neighborhoods. They allwoed Obama to discourgae disaffected voters and get the amount of voters needed to the polls.

    The terminably endless GOP primaries and the incompetent “consulting class” of maroon such as Stuart Stevens. Btw I have never met a normal person named “Stuart”.


  119. Speranza
    119 | March 1, 2013 4:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Flyovercountry:
    I always joked that the real people behind the gay marriage movement were divorce lawyers looking for a new market.

    Who makes up part of the base of the Democrats? The Lawyers. So you are not far off.

    Don’t forget the florists and photographers. They too will benefit from gay marriage.


  120. citizen_q
    120 | March 1, 2013 4:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Is there a more disingenuous person in Congress than Charlie Rangel?
    He’s on with Neil Cavuto right now insisting that “closing loopholes” isn’t raising taxes.

    Which is worse, ethic less hypocrites like rangel and sharpton, or those who provide them a platform and perpetuating them upon us?


  121. 121 | March 1, 2013 4:18 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The GOP has a cultural problem. Behind the times technologically, allowing extremists like Santorum to set the agenda and a Corupt Consultant Class led by Rove.

    It’s a mess.


  122. heysoos
    122 | March 1, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ Speranza:
    my old high school pal…Stuart
    http://www.deminggroup.com/Attorney-Profile/


  123. Speranza
    123 | March 1, 2013 4:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The GOP has a cultural problem. Behind the times technologically, allowing extremists like Santorum to set the agenda and a Corupt Consultant Class led by Rove.
    It’s a mess.

    I was shocked when I saw Michelle Malkin on Sean Hannity’s show the other night denounce those who were withdrawing (or ceding it to the other side) from the “culture”.


  124. Speranza
    124 | March 1, 2013 4:20 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    my old high school pal…Stuart
    http://www.deminggroup.com/Attorney-Profile/

    Yeah but is he normal?


  125. Bumr50
    125 | March 1, 2013 4:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Btw I have never met a normal person named “Stuart”.

    Do Stewarts count?

    Stewart Copeland

    Drummer for The Police.

    A lot of noise for three guys.


  126. heysoos
    126 | March 1, 2013 4:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    my old high school pal…Stuart
    http://www.deminggroup.com/Attorney-Profile/

    Yeah but is he normal?

    yup, loves bawdy jokes, getting buzzed…we played alot of racket games, handball etc…he wet on to UM and corporate law/international law then got rich and famous…he still has an office in my home town, Kalamazoo Mi…always a hoot at our school reunions…he always get teased because he is so damned smart, famous and fun to hang out with…had lunch with him and another pal about 5-6 years ago…look at his resume, he is a very busy guy


  127. Speranza
    127 | March 1, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Well I (as I mentioned) unfortunately never met a normal Stuart (or Stuie).


  128. Speranza
    128 | March 1, 2013 4:33 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Btw I have never met a normal person named “Stuart”.
    Do Stewarts count?
    Stewart Copeland
    Drummer for The Police.
    A lot of noise for three guys.

    I make exceptions for “Stewart’s”.


  129. 129 | March 1, 2013 4:35 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yeah, well we’ve got James I of England for a president now, so I’ve had my fill of Stewarts.


  130. heysoos
    130 | March 1, 2013 4:35 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I had another hard core pal, drinking, drugging, raising kind a guy…went to Exeter, then Boston U and he moved to CA to work his way up to president of Mattel Toys, was on the board of Gallo Wines and some other stuff…I lost track of him til one night I was watching 60 Minutes and there he was being interview by Morley Safer about the phyco effects of video games…he was president of Nintendo…hahaha!…and he was the finest amateur bass player I ever heard…a instant virtuoso, no shit


  131. heysoos
    131 | March 1, 2013 4:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Well I (as I mentioned) unfortunately never met a normal Stuart (or Stuie).

    we used to call my buddy, Beef Stuart


  132. lobo91
    132 | March 1, 2013 4:55 pm

    Another pet constituency group speaks out:

    Dem Rep. Jim Clyburn: Justice Scalia Rejects Voting Rights Act Because He’s “White And Proud”…

    Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Friday that he was “absolutely shocked” to hear Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia describe a key piece of the Voting Rights Act, one of the most significant achievements of the civil rights movement, as a “perpetuation of racial entitlement” earlier this week.

    “I’m not easily surprised by anything, but that took me to a place I haven’t been in a long time,” Clyburn said of Scalia’s comments, during an interview with HuffPost. “What Justice Scalia said, to me, was, ‘The 15th Amendment of the Constitution ain’t got no concerns for me because I’m white and proud.’”

    The Civil War ended almost 150 years ago. Can we please quit pretending that the KKK is running things in the south now?


  133. buzzsawmonkey
    133 | March 1, 2013 4:57 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Having been married and divorced a number of times, (I buy perfume in 6 packs around holiday time,) I must say I can not for the life of me figure out why Gay People would want to get married anyhow. With that being said, I say if trapped misery with overwhelming desires to commit violent homicide is what they wish to aspire to, let em have at it.

    The point I am trying to get across is that the marriage push is about demanding social validation—particularly in the legal area, which will serve as a platform for attacking any holdouts, whether the formal religious institutions, the Scouts (which are on the verge of caving anyway), or any others, and to be able to engage in greater recruitment activity under the guise of ever-younger sex education and “anti-bullying initiatives.”

    The gay-rights movement is about trying to legislate and micromanage permissible feelings and behavior. It is not to be mistaken for the personal charm or fine qualities possessed by the homosexually-inclined person you know at the office, or who lives down the street. The movement is a leftist movement for social destruction and re-ordering that makes the pro-abortion movement look like a walk in the park.

    I’m sure some people will jib at my use of the term “recruitment” above—but too bad. Lots of kids on the cusp of, or even during, puberty are unsure of themselves (adolescence is a time of unsurety, after all), and some experiment on their own side of the fence before daring to make that scary trip across the dance floor at the high school gym, so to speak. The increased “sex education” (and the anti-bullying initiatives) pushed by the gay-rights movement is actually a form of grooming, which encourages the confused to think of themselves a certain way and encourages their teachers and their contemporaries to see them that way too. This socializes someone into the subculture by the time they hit college or early adulthood—whether that socialization is right for them or not—and it becomes difficult for them to leave, should they choose to.


  134. Speranza
    134 | March 1, 2013 4:58 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    Well I (as I mentioned) unfortunately never met a normal Stuart (or Stuie).

    we used to call my buddy, Beef Stuart

    I cannot help but think of the annoying Al Franken and his Stuart Smiley character.


  135. Speranza
    135 | March 1, 2013 4:59 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, well we’ve got James I of England for a president now, so I’ve had my fill of Stewarts.

    “Stewart” was the Scottish way of writing the name and the English way was “Stuart”.


  136. citizen_q
    136 | March 1, 2013 4:59 pm

    Rep. Maxine Waters’ math: U.S. to lose 30M more jobs than it has

    Her exact comments, Breitbart reported: “If sequestration takes place, that’s going to be a great setback. We don’t need to be having something like sequestration that’s going to cause these job losses, over 170 million jobs that could be lost.”

    By that logic, and math, sequestration would be so economically devastating as to lead America down a path of losing 30 million more jobs than it even has, as Breitbart said.


  137. Speranza
    137 | March 1, 2013 5:01 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Rep. Maxine Waters’ math: U.S. to lose 30M more jobs than it has

    Her exact comments, Breitbart reported: “If sequestration takes place, that’s going to be a great setback. We don’t need to be having something like sequestration that’s going to cause these job losses, over 170 million jobs that could be lost.”
    By that logic, and math, sequestration would be so economically devastating as to lead America down a path of losing 30 million more jobs than it even has, as Breitbart said.

    I saw that. She is one of the dumbest people in congress.


  138. citizen_q
    138 | March 1, 2013 5:03 pm

    @ Speranza:
    That is saying something!


  139. brookly red
    139 | March 1, 2013 5:05 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Rep. Maxine Waters’ math: U.S. to lose 30M more jobs than it has

    Her exact comments, Breitbart reported: “If sequestration takes place, that’s going to be a great setback. We don’t need to be having something like sequestration that’s going to cause these job losses, over 170 million jobs that could be lost.”

    By that logic, and math, sequestration would be so economically devastating as to lead America down a path of losing 30 million more jobs than it even has, as Breitbart said.

    It’s perfect Dem math… if we don’t spend more we will lose everything AND the 30 million new green jobs she an Obama will personally create. She should be in jail.


  140. 140 | March 1, 2013 5:10 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, well we’ve got James I of England for a president now, so I’ve had my fill of Stewarts.
    “Stewart” was the Scottish way of writing the name and the English way was “Stuart”.

    Well, he was James VI of Scotland before he was coronated as James I of England…


  141. 141 | March 1, 2013 5:14 pm

    Speaking of Dems’ insatiable ppitite for sex:

    Connecticut Dem to 17-year-old girl: If you’re bashful, I’ve got a snake right here under my desk

    Lovely people, the Dems. Let’s give them a State!


  142. 142 | March 1, 2013 5:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I saw that. She is one of the dumbest people in congress on the planet.

    FTFY


  143. Bumr50
    143 | March 1, 2013 5:24 pm

    Anyone know what a new mattress costs on the four days a year they’re NOT “On Sale”?


  144. brookly red
    144 | March 1, 2013 5:29 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Anyone know what a new mattress costs on the four days a year they’re NOT “On Sale”?

    well if it’s for Chuck Schumer’s office 64 thousand dollars


  145. Calo
    145 | March 1, 2013 5:39 pm

    Did I miss this earlier today? What in the world?

    This one from Obama should be good for some humor.


  146. Calo
    146 | March 1, 2013 5:42 pm

    @ Calo:
    Wow, I messed up that utube.

    Better link
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/01/obama_i_am_not_a_dictator_im_the_president.html


  147. brookly red
    147 | March 1, 2013 5:43 pm

    Calo wrote:

    Did I miss this earlier today? What in the world?

    This one from Obama should be good for some humor.

    /I am not a crook.


  148. Calo
    148 | March 1, 2013 5:47 pm

    @ brookly red:
    He wants to do a Jedi Mind Meld with the Repubs…. :shock:


  149. heysoos
    149 | March 1, 2013 5:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    Did I miss this earlier today? What in the world?
    This one from Obama should be good for some humor.

    /I am not a crook.

    boyo, I remember that whopper….that was some kinds show back then…I decided during the Watergate hearings that the feds can and will do whatever they want


  150. brookly red
    150 | March 1, 2013 5:50 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    He wants to do a Jedi Mind Meld with the Repubs….

    that not far from the truth


  151. heysoos
    151 | March 1, 2013 5:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    He wants to do a Jedi Mind Meld with the Repubs….

    that not far from the truth

    it seems to work for liberals


  152. citizen_q
    152 | March 1, 2013 5:54 pm

    @ Calo:
    @ brookly red:
    I thought a dick-tater was a cheap Halloween Costume consisting of wearing nothing but a spud on one’s penis?


  153. citizen_q
    153 | March 1, 2013 5:54 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    Did I need a /?


  154. Calo
    154 | March 1, 2013 5:55 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Forward to 55 seconds


  155. heysoos
    155 | March 1, 2013 5:56 pm

    here’s one way to toss the union burden…do the Motor City Meltdown
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/01/news/economy/detroit-takeover/index.html?hpt=hp_c1


  156. brookly red
    156 | March 1, 2013 5:57 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Forward to 55 seconds

    this is the same whimp who said he could lower the ocean levels…


  157. heysoos
    157 | March 1, 2013 5:58 pm

    @ Calo:
    what a POS…
    gosh, why didn’t Reid bring BO’s budget to the senate?


  158. brookly red
    158 | March 1, 2013 5:58 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Forward to 55 seconds

    this is the same whimp who said he could lower the ocean levels…

    let’s see him deal with http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/1/hamas-warns-obama-dont-visit-temple-mount/


  159. brookly red
    159 | March 1, 2013 6:00 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    here’s one way to toss the union burden…do the Motor City Meltdown
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/01/news/economy/detroit-takeover/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

    Every time I hear that I think of the J Geils Band


  160. Calo
    160 | March 1, 2013 6:00 pm

    @ brookly red:
    It’s Friday night… come on Brookly, let’s do some mind melding and raise your level until it’s lower or, eh, something like that.


  161. heysoos
    161 | March 1, 2013 6:00 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Forward to 55 seconds

    this is the same whimp who said he could lower the ocean levels…

    somebody should do a montage of all his campaign bs compared to the reality of his failed leadership…just in his own words….put it up on FOX and invite any three donks to dispute the actual words and deeds


  162. brookly red
    162 | March 1, 2013 6:01 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    It’s Friday night… come on Brookly, let’s do some mind melding and raise your level until it’s lower or, eh, something like that.

    here… have a beer.


  163. heysoos
    163 | March 1, 2013 6:01 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    here’s one way to toss the union burden…do the Motor City Meltdown
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/01/news/economy/detroit-takeover/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

    Every time I hear that I think of the J Geils Band

    what’s the connection?


  164. brookly red
    164 | March 1, 2013 6:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Forward to 55 seconds

    this is the same whimp who said he could lower the ocean levels…

    somebody should do a montage of all his campaign bs compared to the reality of his failed leadership…just in his own words….put it up on FOX and invite any three donks to dispute the actual words and deeds

    that would be like Rush Limbuagh with pictures…


  165. brookly red
    165 | March 1, 2013 6:05 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    here’s one way to toss the union burden…do the Motor City Meltdown
    http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/01/news/economy/detroit-takeover/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

    Every time I hear that I think of the J Geils Band

    what’s the connection?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqZ4oZhGlk


  166. heysoos
    166 | March 1, 2013 6:07 pm

    @ brookly red:
    heh I didn’t know that, I was going to call it the Stomp, but sounded too aggressive


  167. brookly red
    167 | March 1, 2013 6:07 pm

    gonna go play numbers… bbiab


  168. brookly red
    168 | March 1, 2013 6:08 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    heh I didn’t know that, I was going to call it the Stomp, but sounded too aggressive

    you of all people? sheesh :)


  169. lobo91
    169 | March 1, 2013 6:28 pm

    Oops, Narrative Fail: State Dept Concludes Keystone XL Pipeline Will Not Harm Environment

    TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline will not harm the environment, the State Department — in a blow to environmentalists who want to block the project — wrote in a newly-drafted report on the latest proposed route.

    “[T]he draft Supplemental EIS concludes that approval or denial of the proposed Project is unlikely to have a substantial impact on the rate of development in the oil sands, or on the amount of heavy crude oil refined in the Gulf Coast area,” the State Department draft report says, as Think Progress noted.

    I’m sure Obama will just throw the report away, like he did the results of the Simpson-Bowles commission.


  170. lobo91
    170 | March 1, 2013 6:39 pm

    Governor Of Michigan Declares State Takeover Of Detroit

    Michigan Governor Rick Snyder on Friday formally declared Detroit in a fiscal emergency and said he had identified a top candidate to take over financial management of the destitute city.

    The declaration virtually assures that the state of Michigan will assume control of Detroit’s books, though Snyder was careful to say there is still a window of 10 days for city leaders to convince him otherwise.

    “I believe it’s appropriate to declare the city of Detroit in financial emergency,” Snyder told a forum of community leaders at a Detroit public television station.

    Detroit has faced the steepest population decline of any major American city in recent decades. Once the fifth largest U.S. city, which shone as the birthplace of the U.S. automotive industry and Motown music, it now ranks 18th in size with about 700,000 people – after suffering a 25 percent decline in population between 2000 and 2010.

    Snyder would not identify the top candidate to run Detroit or say whether the person was from Michigan or outside the state. Some residents have said he should name an African-American to manage a city that is 83 percent black.

    How about if he appoints someone competent, instead, regardless of skin color? I know that’s a radical idea, but maybe it’s worth a shot.


  171. Buffalobob
    171 | March 1, 2013 7:46 pm

    Disaster, smizdaster, 180,000 jobs lost is nothing to sneeze at, Maxine Waters.


  172. darkwords
    172 | March 1, 2013 8:33 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I wonder how much in loans and grants Detroit has received in the past 10 years. Goverments find it hard to scale back and tighten the belt.


  173. Purre
    173 | March 2, 2013 6:31 am

    @ heysoos:
    Blogmocracy sure can do harlem shake:
    see it yourself (works at least on Firefox)


  174. 4_Sticks
    174 | March 3, 2013 12:39 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Dennis Miller 1.0


  175. 4_Sticks
    175 | March 3, 2013 12:46 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Does it involve a ‘Magic Dick’ ?


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