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Nixon, Obama and Bob Woodward

by Speranza ( 131 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Cult of Obama, Democratic Party, History, Libya, Media, Patriotism, Republican Party at March 4th, 2013 - 7:00 am

Memo to Roger Ailes:  More Pat Caddell’s and less Karl Rove. Nixon was called an Imperial President by Kennedy court historian Arthur Schlesinger, yet Barack Obama can give the Kennedy’s lessons in royalty.  Another thing, for whatever their faults  JFK and Nixon were patriots. Obama not so much.

by Patrick Caddell

It is not without a bit of irony that, in the 40 years since the explosion of the Watergate story, Bob Woodward would again be under attack from the White House for trying to tell the truth. But this time the attack is coming from a Democrat.

While Barack Obama may not share the Nixon pedigree, he and his White House are the closest thing to the Nixon regime of any that we have seen since then — both in the extent of their paranoia and their willingness to suppress the truth and push the boundaries of law.

In my lifetime, in over 40 years in national politics, Mr. Obama is the only president who comes close to rivaling Richard Nixon for fundamental disingenuousness.

[.......]

As the youngest person on Nixon’s enemies list in 1972, I am particularly sensitive to a White House where they have utter disregard for trampling on dissent and on the rights of individuals.

Since Benghazi, when I raised the alarm about a media that was not only willing to blatantly support one political party or one political a candidate but for the first time seemed willing to suppress or ignore the facts and truth as related to a disaster of American foreign policy, my fear has been that we are now on a slippery slope. Almost everything since then has helped to realize that fear. Chuck Hagel, the sequester, Mr. Obama’s speeches — all of these have revealed a mainstream press that has absolutely decided to wear its bias openly as outriders of the Obama administration.  [.........]

What this Woodward, White House sequester battle highlights is the crisis in our democracy. Not so much for what it says about Mr. Obama and his administration but for what it says about the establishment press and all the members of my own party.

During Watergate, there were a number of Republicans who were willing to stand against the president of their party in defense of the United States of America.

Sadly, as as Democrat, I must confess, that today there is no Democratic Senator or member of the House who appears to be willing to publicly put the country ahead of Barack Obama’s White House.

[........]

During the Chuck Hagel confirmation fight, it was revealed that to this day, neither the public nor the Congress know the names of those who were evacuated out of Benghazi.  [........]

The White House’s excuse, that this information cannot be revealed because of an FBI investigation, is eerily and frighteningly similar to Nixon telling H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman to “turn off” the Watergate investigation as it threatened national security.

Sadly, it now appears that Director Mueller and the FBI are willing to serve, once again, as an instrument of cover up for an administration — this time following a tragedy in which 4 Americans are now dead.

As much as I have always admired Bob Woodward and admire now him in the sequester fight and for his willingness to take on the White House, I cannot refrain from expressing my disappointment that this man, who did such a service for the country 40 years ago, has essentially taken himself off the boards of the Benghazi fiasco. I wish that if Woodward were to get in a fight, he would do it on an issue that really matters to the safety of the United States.

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  1. 1 | March 4, 2013 7:57 am

    Sadly, as as Democrat, I must confess, that today there is no Democratic Senator or member of the House who appears to be willing to publicly put the country ahead of Barack Obama’s White House.

    This is nothing new. Bill Clinton enjoyed the exact same kind of backing. What this shows us is that the Republicans were mistaken with Nixon. They should have supported their President.


  2. 2 | March 4, 2013 7:59 am

    Waiting for Obama to design new uniforms for the White House guards…


  3. waldensianspirit
    3 | March 4, 2013 8:05 am

    Mr. Bubba Clinton is relieved


  4. 4 | March 4, 2013 8:05 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I’m sure they would be fabulous! Obama is a natural designer, just like he is a Constitutional Lawyer and nuclear physicist… :roll:


  5. 5 | March 4, 2013 8:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Boehner: House will consider any gun measures passed by Senate


  6. 6 | March 4, 2013 8:24 am

    @ Rodan:

    That is a huge mistake. If the fold on gun control, there really is no purpose in voting Republican. I am most upset. Boehner is useless.


  7. 7 | March 4, 2013 8:27 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Of course they will CONSIDER it. Just like Antonio Scalia told Orly Tatiz at one point that he would CONSIDER a petition for cert she had filed in one of her insane birther attempts. I’m sure he gave it at least a couple femtoseconds of thought before putting it in the round file.


  8. 8 | March 4, 2013 8:31 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    They held on sequester which was a change for once. But if they cave on Gun Control, they are done as a party. It’s bad enough they have nothing to counter OFA and let Obama play them like a fiddle. Guns are the only issue Republicans have credibility on. If they cave, it will be the end of them.


  9. 9 | March 4, 2013 8:47 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They held on sequester which was a change for once. But if they cave on Gun Control, they are done as a party. It’s bad enough they have nothing to counter OFA and let Obama play them like a fiddle. Guns are the only issue Republicans have credibility on. If they cave, it will be the end of them.

    Time for a new party.


  10. 10 | March 4, 2013 8:48 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I hope you are right. I just don’t trust the Republican Party on guns. The only reason the Assault Rifle ban isn’t still the law of the land is because it had a sunset provision. If it had been left to the Republicans, they’d have never repealed it.


  11. 11 | March 4, 2013 8:52 am

    @ The Other Les:

    Its getting close to that. Seeing how the GOP is not taking the OFA threat seriously speaks volumes. They are not a serious party.


  12. 12 | March 4, 2013 8:55 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I just don’t trust the Republican Party

    I stopped trusting them during the Bush years. Their true colors came out then. I started warming up to them again during the Tea party era, but the cover to Obama during the lame duck session of 2010 and the 2012 process which was joke confirmed to be they are just a strawman for Democrats.

    A perfect example, the GOP claims its against terrorism, yet it wants war to help al-Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. That alone should disqualify the party from ever speaking on terror again.


  13. Speranza
    13 | March 4, 2013 8:56 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Waiting for Obama to design new uniforms for the White House guards…

    That was one of Nixon’s more embarrassing moments in 1969 after he came back form Europe trying to emulate the European tradition of guards and in their Napoleonic era uniforms.


  14. Speranza
    14 | March 4, 2013 8:56 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Of course they will CONSIDER it. Just like Antonio Scalia told Orly Tatiz at one point that he would CONSIDER a petition for cert she had filed in one of her insane birther attempts. I’m sure he gave it at least a couple femtoseconds of thought before putting it in the round file.

    lol and quite true.


  15. Speranza
    15 | March 4, 2013 8:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I stopped trusting them during the Bush years.

    I stopped trusting them after that lying sack of shit George Herbert Walker Bush broke his “read my lips, no new taxes” pledge.


  16. 16 | March 4, 2013 8:59 am

    @ Speranza:

    Yeah, that proposed WH guard uniform had people of all political stripes laughing their asses off from coast to coast. I remember it well…


  17. 17 | March 4, 2013 9:05 am

    @ Speranza:

    That man destroyed the Republican Party. I can’t believe the amount of respect that Saudi puppet gets from Republicans. Him, his son, that fat pig Jeb are all a bunch of losers.


  18. citizen_q
    18 | March 4, 2013 9:06 am

    @ Rodan:
    @ Rodan:
    I am really suspicious of a good portion of the GOP. A conspiratorial could easily see them as working covertly to aid the demonrats, wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They held on sequester which was a change for once. But if they cave on Gun Control, they are done as a party. It’s bad enough they have nothing to counter OFA and let Obama play them like a fiddle. Guns are the only issue Republicans have credibility on. If they cave, it will be the end of them.

    Seems good on it’s face, however the demorats and their compliant media will spin in the admins favour. Did you hear komrad zero already priming the pump to blame slow growth, or any economic hit on the sequester and all the Republican’s fault. Them media will eat it up and offer no countervailing augment.


  19. 19 | March 4, 2013 9:12 am

    @ citizen_q:

    OFA is the key to the Democrat message power. The Republicans have no answer to OFA. This is huge con job.


  20. 20 | March 4, 2013 9:14 am

    @ citizen_q:

    I am really suspicious of a good portion of the GOP. A conspiratorial could easily see them as working covertly to aid the demonrats, wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    Nah I think they are arrogant and living in the past. The GOP thinks people should vote for them and they do nothing win votes.


  21. Speranza
    21 | March 4, 2013 9:14 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    OFA is the key to the Democrat message power. The Republicans have no answer to OFA. This is huge con job.

    The Republicans perpetually have their finger up their collective ass.


  22. Speranza
    22 | March 4, 2013 9:17 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That man destroyed the Republican Party. I can’t believe the amount of respect that Saudi puppet gets from Republicans. Him, his son, that fat pig Jeb are all a bunch of losers.

    I cannot stand the sight of them. W. is the best of them and he gave us that “Islam is a religion of peace” crap.


  23. 23 | March 4, 2013 9:19 am

    @ Speranza:

    The Republican Party is not living in reality. They live in a bubble.


  24. 24 | March 4, 2013 9:20 am

    @ Speranza:

    W lied to Americans and said Muslims wanted freedom and democracy. As we have seen, events have proved him a liar.


  25. citizen_q
    25 | March 4, 2013 9:24 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Nah I think they are arrogant and living in the past.

    Add stupid, incapable of learning, rigid, and I guess I am closer to your position.

    Problem is I don’t think these are stupid people, so perhaps arrogance is the deciding factor and not malevolence.


  26. citizen_q
    26 | March 4, 2013 9:26 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    I stopped trusting them during the Bush years.

    I stopped trusting them after that lying sack of shit George Herbert Walker Bush broke his “read my lips, no new taxes” pledge.

    That weakened the chair considerably for me. Allowing Afghanistan to wite a constitution compliant with sharia kicked the legs out the chair. Doing the same in iraq confirmed it.


  27. Speranza
    27 | March 4, 2013 9:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    W lied to Americans and said Muslims wanted freedom and democracy. As we have seen, events have proved him a liar.

    “Liar” or more naivete?


  28. Speranza
    28 | March 4, 2013 9:28 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    That weakened the chair considerably for me. Allowing Afghanistan to wite a constitution compliant with sharia kicked the legs out the chair. Doing the same in iraq confirmed it.

    And now President Maliki of Iraq is getting friendly with Iran.


  29. 29 | March 4, 2013 9:28 am

    @ citizen_q:

    so perhaps arrogance is the deciding factor and not malevolence.

    Yup! They think people should vote for them. They do not try to get people to vote for them.


  30. 30 | March 4, 2013 9:32 am

    @ Speranza:

    Malaki has been an Iranian stooge. He was in exile in Iran and his Dawa Party were Iranian puppets. We installed an Iranian puppet regime in Iraq.


  31. 31 | March 4, 2013 9:34 am

    Olbermann Angling for Return to ESPN

    Keith Olbermann was in Los Angeles on Friday being deposed for a reported $70 million lawsuit he filed against his most recent employer, Current TV, with the trial expected to begin in May. Whether the court rules in favor of Olbermann or the network, the verdict will put an official end to a one-year stint at Current that was supposed to last at least five.

    But as one door closes, another has been quietly approached. At various times over the last year, Olbermann and his representatives have expressed interest in his return to the employer that made him famous: ESPN.

    Olbermann’s expressions of interest included dinner at New York’s Four Seasons Restaurant with John Skipper, ESPN’s president


  32. 32 | March 4, 2013 9:37 am

    @ Speranza:

    I think W was naive. Cheney and his gang are the liars.


  33. 33 | March 4, 2013 9:39 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    I stopped trusting them during the Bush years.
    I stopped trusting them after that lying sack of shit George Herbert Walker Bush broke his “read my lips, no new taxes” pledge.

    He should design new uniforms for the press instead. THEY’RE the new Praetorian Guard.


  34. 34 | March 4, 2013 9:42 am

    Instapundit thinks Boehner is putting pressure on Senate Dems with his assertion that he’d consider any gun control that came out of the Senate. I don’t know. I’d like to think that is it, but Boehner has been so weak so far that I don’t know if I believe it.


  35. 35 | March 4, 2013 9:43 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I am with you, I think this is either wishful thinking or the RNC talking points.


  36. RIX
    36 | March 4, 2013 10:04 am

    Pat Caddell is right, Benghazi is a much more dramatic
    issue than the sequester.
    Four Americans died either do to misfeasance or malfeasance &
    the survivors are under wraps. The public can get that.


  37. buzzsawmonkey
    37 | March 4, 2013 10:05 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Cheney and his gang

    Cheney is tough-minded in some ways—but it’s a shame that his having a homosexual child has blinded him to the danger the gay-rights movement poses to the Constitution.

    I do not think I have heard one prominent conservative figure, certainly not any Republican, articulate intelligent opposition to the same-sex marriage push in purely Constitutional and political terms.


  38. Bumr50
    38 | March 4, 2013 10:05 am

    Reince Priebus is out supposedly doing minority outreach.

    How’s he doing?

    You probably didn’t know that until I told you.

    The GOP has no idea how to market a message. Hell, they don’ even have a cohesive, unifying message to market.


  39. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | March 4, 2013 10:06 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Boehner has been so weak so far

    Boehner is one of those inflatable clowns with sand at the bottom that were popular toys when I was a kid. Blow ‘em up, put sand in the base, and you can punch it and punch it while it pops back up each time you knock it over.


  40. 40 | March 4, 2013 10:08 am

    @ RIX:

    And the real sequester that we should be talking about is that of the survivors.


  41. buzzsawmonkey
    41 | March 4, 2013 10:12 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    And the real sequester that we should be talking about is that of the survivors.

    I would bet that the Benghazi survivors have been kept under wraps for the same reason that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, or whatever he’s called this week, was hauled off in the dead of night; to ensure that no reporter with silly ideas about doing his job gets to talk with them.

    I’m still betting that Nakoula was being funded by the Administration to produce his Mohammed video, precisely for the purpose of providing something to point to as an excuse for some Muslim eruption and to apologize to the Muslims for. That is, to my mind, the only thing that explains how widely the Administration, and practically nobody else, was so aware of that obscure piece of crap.


  42. 42 | March 4, 2013 10:14 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    You really have been worked up lately on Gay Marriage.


  43. 43 | March 4, 2013 10:14 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Hell, they don’ even have a cohesive, unifying message to market.

    I saw somebody catch a ton of flack for saying that here a few days back…


  44. 44 | March 4, 2013 10:16 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Reince Priebus is out supposedly doing minority outreach.
    How’s he doing?
    You probably didn’t know that until I told you.
    The GOP has no idea how to market a message. Hell, they don’ even have a cohesive, unifying message to market.

    :lol:

    Yeah with no infrastructure to counter Democrat lies. OFA has already begun smearing Rubio and Susanan Martinez with Hispanic voters. The emails are out already and the Tweets.

    Unless something is done about OFA, the Republicans will go nowhere.


  45. 45 | March 4, 2013 10:16 am

    @ Mike C.:

    You caught slack becasue you said Technology does not matter. No one disputes getting better messaging. But you can not do that without a counter to OFA.


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    46 | March 4, 2013 10:20 am

    As they say at Gateway Pundit, “This is getting a little creepy”: Obama DHS purchases 2,700 light-armored tanks to go with its 1.6 billion-bullet stockpile.


  47. buzzsawmonkey
    47 | March 4, 2013 10:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    You really have been worked up lately on Gay Marriage

    Yes—for two reasons:

    1) I find it extremely frustrating that people who can understand that it is financially disastrous to mortgage the country by borrowing money we don’t have do not understand that it is politically disastrous to mortgage Constitutional rights in the name of “tolerance”;

    2) There is a case now before the Supreme Court that is going to be a disaster.


  48. 48 | March 4, 2013 10:25 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Would yopu like to do a guest post and gather all your points into one thread?


  49. buzzsawmonkey
  50. RIX
    50 | March 4, 2013 10:28 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    And the real sequester that we should be talking about is that of the survivors.

    That’s the truth. The Media should display as much outrage
    as they did when W would go to the ranch to clear brush.


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | March 4, 2013 10:28 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Would yopu like to do a guest post and gather all your points into one thread?

    I’ll consider it. There’s a lot—and some of the material is not linkable, since it exists, as far as I know, only in hard copy.


  52. 52 | March 4, 2013 10:32 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The militarization of the police has been going on for 20 years. I’d say it got a lot creepy with the Waco Massacre, and has never gotten any better. That DHS feels the need to have enough bullets on hand to fight a 30-year insurrection should be of concern to all Americans. What do they know that we don’t know that makes them fear this?


  53. 53 | March 4, 2013 10:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    You caught slack becasue you said Technology does not matter. No one disputes getting better messaging. But you can not do that without a counter to OFA.

    As I said the other day, I don’t give a crap if you have Vorlon technology if you have nothing to transmit by it. Priorities….


  54. 54 | March 4, 2013 10:35 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It all began with Nixon and his stupid war on drugs. Drug Prohibition is the pretext used to infringe on our personal liberties.


  55. 55 | March 4, 2013 10:36 am

    @ Mike C.:

    You should feel good then, the Republican Party agrees with you that Technology does not matter. Enjoy your defeats in 2014 and being wiped out in 2016.


  56. buzzsawmonkey
    56 | March 4, 2013 10:37 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I’d say it got a lot creepy with the Waco Massacre, and has never gotten any better.

    I remember shrugging off Waco at the time as “just some wackos”—the equivalent, if you will, of Philadelphia burning out the block where the MOVE nuts were holed up back in the ’80s. In other words, a one-off blunder that got out of hand due to incompetence, with tragic consequences.

    Since then, I’ve come to see the government’s whacking wackos at Waco to more in the nature of a wake-up call that I missed at the time.


  57. 57 | March 4, 2013 10:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    You should feel good then, the Republican Party agrees with you that Technology does not matter. Enjoy your defeats in 2014 and being wiped out in 2016.

    Point 1 -- I’m not a Republican. I’ve never belonged to a political party in my life.

    Point 2 -- You enjoy your losses convincing voters you’re Democrat-Lite via high tech. Maybe if the Republicans can get handle on Hispandering that will help, eh? Preferably tweeted with a rap accompanyment. Hopefully they can get fully with the program and spend a significant amount of time bashing various and sundry Bushes. Hey, worked for the Dems, right? And if Dem-Lite is the future, go with the working model, yes?


  58. Speranza
    58 | March 4, 2013 10:47 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yeah, that proposed WH guard uniform had people of all political stripes laughing their asses off from coast to coast. I remember it well…

    Nixon was impressed by the French guards (cuirassiers) in their lobster style helmets.


  59. taxfreekiller
    59 | March 4, 2013 10:47 am

    Cool thread on Michael Mann and the CO2 fraud going on over on
    http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

    We need to pry this crack in the lie base of the commie democrats wider open so that more can see.

    It is full lie based all of it.


  60. Speranza
    60 | March 4, 2013 10:49 am

    Hispandering?


  61. 61 | March 4, 2013 10:49 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    What Waco showed us was that if they can sufficiently demonize a group of people they can and will kill them with impugnity. True, the Branch Davidians had some weird religious beliefs, but were they any less protected by the First Amendment therefore? And it will come a sno surprise to you that now the move is underway to define thse who hold traditional views of homosexuality as the whackos. Will they single them out and kill them? Not yet, I wouldn’t think, but that day may yet come.


  62. Speranza
    62 | March 4, 2013 10:50 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    He should design new uniforms for the press instead. THEY’RE the new Praetorian Guard.

    In the 2nd century the Praetorian Guards would put the emperorship up for sale to the highest bidder.


  63. 63 | March 4, 2013 10:51 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I understand the Social Security Administration recently added another 1,000,000 rounds of 9 mil and .40 to their stockpile.

    Are they anticipating a crowd of grannies with canes and walkers descending on the nation’s capitol any time soon?


  64. 64 | March 4, 2013 10:53 am

    @ Speranza:

    I’m thinking more along the time of the Caesars.
    Caught up on Ripper Street yet -- surprisingly, on Saturday I watched an episode I apparently missed -- don’t see how but I did.

    Also downloaded the entire “ROME” series off HBO on Demand. Amazing what you get away with on pay cable vis-a-vis gore and sex. Not “I Claudius” by any means!


  65. 65 | March 4, 2013 10:56 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Point 1 — I’m not a Republican. I’ve never belonged to a political party in my life.

    Bullcrap you are a Bushy Establishment type.

    Point 2 — You enjoy your losses convincing voters you’re Democrat-Lite via high tech. Maybe if the Republicans can get handle on Hispandering that will help, eh? Preferably tweeted with a rap accompanyment. Hopefully they can get fully with the program and spend a significant amount of time bashing various and sundry Bushes. Hey, worked for the Dems, right? And if Dem-Lite is the future, go with the working model, yes?

    So trying to win over Hispanics is pandering? What would you call Southern Stragtgy then? Was that pandering or becasue they are “real Americans” that was OK. What about the GOP’s outreach to Ethnic Whites under Ike, Nixon and Reagan? Was that pandering also or are they “real Americans.” That term Hispandering I find very offensive BTW.

    Your attitude is very revealing why the Republicans lose. But is being a loser is what makes you feel better, go knock yourself out. Many on the Right will not stay on your sinking ship.


  66. 66 | March 4, 2013 10:58 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I understand the Social Security Administration recently added another 1,000,000 rounds of 9 mil and .40 to their stockpile.
    Are they anticipating a crowd of grannies with canes and walkers descending on the nation’s capitol any time soon?

    If you look at those and the DHS contracts, they’re actually contracts for deliveries over 4-5 years. Not that it’s not stupid, but I mention that because I don’t think it has much to do with the current ammo shortage.


  67. 67 | March 4, 2013 11:00 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Hispandering?

    Yup, Republicans who try to win Hispanic voters are called Hisandering. The GOP can only reach out to “real Americans.”

    Then they wonder why they lose 70% of the Hispanic vote and 76% of Asians. We are not real Americans according to many Republicans.

    I am really considering going Libertarian.


  68. taxfreekiller
    68 | March 4, 2013 11:03 am

    tset


  69. 69 | March 4, 2013 11:05 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Hey huge favor becasue you have connections. Find out what you can about OFA. I did research and it scares the daylights out of me.


  70. taxfreekiller
    70 | March 4, 2013 11:05 am

    The commie Democrats will send you a thank you letter with a note to turn in your guns attached. Make their day.@ Rodan:


  71. citizen_q
    71 | March 4, 2013 11:06 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    I think in some measure the grabbermint is buying up as much ammo as possible to keep out the hands of the citizens. A facet of the attack on 2nd Amendment. Firearms with ammunition are at best clumsy clubs.


  72. citizen_q
    72 | March 4, 2013 11:07 am

    @ citizen_q:
    PIMF!

    Let’s try Firearms without ammunition are at best clumsy clubs.


  73. 73 | March 4, 2013 11:08 am

    @ Mike C.:

    No, I don’t think it has much to do with the current shortage, but I do wonder why DHS wants to have enough ammunition to fight an Iraq-scale insurgency for 30 years. There’s something not right going on. They can’t convince me that they need all that ammunition for “training”.


  74. 74 | March 4, 2013 11:11 am

    @ citizen_q:

    It’s nice to know that someone else is of that mind as well. I thought I was sounding paranoid in my grey matter. Why does DHS need a billion rounds? Why does it need tanks?

    I wonder -- are the personnel of DHS exempt from the posse comitatus laws? (Dear heaven, I’m sounding more and more like my black helicopter seeing friend every day).


  75. 75 | March 4, 2013 11:12 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I wasn’t thinking ammo shortage -- I’m wondering why Social Security needs an ammo stockpile to rival Belgium.


  76. taxfreekiller
    76 | March 4, 2013 11:13 am

    @ Rodan:
    Go under ground http://www.barackobama.com

    or just google OFA it is there, you can join, get to be a leader infiltrate them like we did Earth First and Greenpeace.

    Make sure none of them know the real you as they will go after you if they find out your a spy.

    good luck

    If you post about what you find out make sure you use a posting point where they can not track you. I can tell you they can do that as you should know also.

    You would be much more useful doing that than gettting in with the Laup Nor libertarian kooks.


  77. 77 | March 4, 2013 11:14 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Point 1 — I’m not a Republican. I’ve never belonged to a political party in my life.
    Bullcrap you are a Bushy Establishment type.
    Point 2 — You enjoy your losses convincing voters you’re Democrat-Lite via high tech. Maybe if the Republicans can get handle on Hispandering that will help, eh? Preferably tweeted with a rap accompanyment. Hopefully they can get fully with the program and spend a significant amount of time bashing various and sundry Bushes. Hey, worked for the Dems, right? And if Dem-Lite is the future, go with the working model, yes?
    So trying to win over Hispanics is pandering? What would you call Southern Stragtgy then? Was that pandering or becasue they are “real Americans” that was OK. What about the GOP’s outreach to Ethnic Whites under Ike, Nixon and Reagan? Was that pandering also or are they “real Americans.” That term Hispanderuing I find very offensive BTW.
    Your attitude is very revealing why the Republicans lose. But is being a loser is what makes you feel better, go knock yourself out. Many on the Right will not stay on your sinking ship.

    Yes, I knew you’d find the term “Hispandering” offensive. It’s why I used it.

    Many on “The Right” have already jumped off my sinking ship. The common term for them is “RINOs.” Some of your favorites, like Boner (sic) and McLame (sic) are off the ship and far away.

    Look, I’m an old-fashioned, crude guy with just simple thinking available to me. I think in basic terms. In my quaint opinion, I don’t want a candidate that appeals to blacks, Hispanics, urbanites, or whatever. I want a candidate that appeals to Americans. And appeals to Americans on our founding American principles. If that sort of basic thing upsets you, good.

    Right now there’s an all-out war going on over one of those basic principles. Silly me, I call it what is popularly known as a “litmus test.” It’s more important than messaging technology, it’s more important than what some muslims are doing somewhere, it’s even more important than economic issues -- it’s life-or-death for the very most basic precepts of our form of government. Lose that battle, and frankly, I don’t give a crap about the rest of it.

    And, if I can remember, that will be my last comment on this basic topic.


  78. 78 | March 4, 2013 11:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think they are stockpiling ammo to create a shortage and drive up prices. That way people can’t get ammo.

    It’s gun control through other means.


  79. lobo91
    79 | March 4, 2013 11:15 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    It’s nice to know that someone else is of that mind as well. I thought I was sounding paranoid in my grey matter. Why does DHS need a billion rounds? Why does it need tanks?

    Those aren’t tanks, despite what someone wrote as a scare headline.

    I wonder — are the personnel of DHS exempt from the posse comitatus laws? (Dear heaven, I’m sounding more and more like my black helicopter seeing friend every day).

    Posse comitatus has nothing to do with law enforcement agencies. It applies to the military.


  80. lobo91
    80 | March 4, 2013 11:17 am

    @ Mike C.:

    In my quaint opinion, I don’t want a candidate that appeals to blacks, Hispanics, urbanites, or whatever. I want a candidate that appeals to Americans. And appeals to Americans on our founding American principles. If that sort of basic thing upsets you, good.

    If you ever do find a party to join, let me know. I’ll be right there with you.


  81. taxfreekiller
    81 | March 4, 2013 11:17 am

    On the light armor things DHS has bought, we might hope it is because they listen to U.S. regarding the danger the open Mexican border is.

    If there is a govt. problem and food shortage ect. down there the border can be over run now with ease by large nunbers or Chavez and the ones of Iran could just send large numbers of death squads to attack over it. As it is now they could get far inland in AZ, New Mexica, Clif and Texas. Even get to nuke plants.

    But knowing the commie Democrats they fear U.S. more.


  82. 82 | March 4, 2013 11:18 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I wonder — are the personnel of DHS exempt from the posse comitatus laws? (Dear heaven, I’m sounding more and more like my black helicopter seeing friend every day).

    DHS is not the military, so they are not bound by the posse comitatus law. Besides, they don’t have tanks. They have MRAPs.


  83. lobo91
    83 | March 4, 2013 11:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I think they are stockpiling ammo to create a shortage and drive up prices. That way people can’t get ammo.
    It’s gun control through other means.

    They haven’t purchased enough to create a shortage or drive up prices. Whatever amount they’ve ordered is a tiny fraction of actual production.

    That ammo is all sitting in people’s basements.


  84. 84 | March 4, 2013 11:20 am

    @ lobo91:

    I can’t say it’s a physical impossibility, but I’ve sure never seen any evidence of a political party worth joining…


  85. citizen_q
    85 | March 4, 2013 11:20 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    It’s nice to know that someone else is of that mind as well. I thought I was sounding paranoid in my grey matter. Why does DHS need a billion rounds? Why does it need tanks?
    I wonder — are the personnel of DHS exempt from the posse comitatus laws? (Dear heaven, I’m sounding more and more like my black helicopter seeing friend every day).

    I am of a conspiratorial bent these days.

    I keep thinking komrade zero’s infamous statement about need a civilian domestic force equal in strength to the military.

    Google “obama civilian security force”, working so I don’t have time to surf through all the hits back to 2007 and 2008. There are youtube videos

    I too was wondering about the tanks. I know they won’t be using them to secure the border against drug cartels. Hell, they were arming them not too long ago.


  86. taxfreekiller
    86 | March 4, 2013 11:20 am

    There is only one current in any way effective counter to the commie Democrats and the RINO’s and that is within the Republican Party.

    We took Texas back, and there are the numbers of people in every state to do the same. Only thing is there are to many who think the waste land of the libertarians or other minor operations can do something about the commies. Not at all.

    No time to build another party. We have to bend the R’s to our will.


  87. 87 | March 4, 2013 11:24 am

    @ lobo91:

    Thanks for that. I thought they were trying to create a shortage.


  88. 88 | March 4, 2013 11:25 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    OFA is planning to make Texas blue. Do NOT underestimate them.


  89. 89 | March 4, 2013 11:28 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    I think they are stockpiling ammo to create a shortage and drive up prices. That way people can’t get ammo.
    It’s gun control through other means.
    They haven’t purchased enough to create a shortage or drive up prices. Whatever amount they’ve ordered is a tiny fraction of actual production.
    That ammo is all sitting in people’s basements.

    Exactly correct. The government hasn’t created the current ammo shortage -- the American people have created the current ammo shortage. This should concern the government.


  90. lobo91
    90 | March 4, 2013 11:28 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Thanks for that. I thought they were trying to create a shortage.

    I’m sure they’d like to, but that’s not what’s happening.

    For one thing, most of the figures you see being reported are for multi-year contracts. They won’t take delivery of some of it until after Obama’s gone. That’s certainly not affecting current supplies.

    And a billion rounds is something less than one month’s worth of production.


  91. 91 | March 4, 2013 11:30 am

    @ lobo91:

    I’ve heard people say -- forget gold, stockpile ammo. It’s going for a buck a round in places and you can resell it your surplus.

    Can I just say how much it’s alarming me to read and hear what’s going on these days. $4.50 for the same loaf of bread that was $2.00 when Obama took office. Gas is over $4.00 a gallon here in the Golden State. And Obama just appears to be working harder and harder at consolidating Presidential power, with the help and support of the stenographic media.


  92. 92 | March 4, 2013 11:31 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I think it was a Jersey gun shop that recently named Obama “gun salesman of the year.”


  93. 93 | March 4, 2013 11:31 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Yes, I knew you’d find the term “Hispandering” offensive. It’s why I used it.

    That’s nice use an offensive term. Do not bitch when Democrats trash Old Wahite males. You yourself used a derogatory statement and are no better than them.

    Many on “The Right” have already jumped off my sinking ship. The common term for them is “RINOs.” Some of your favorites, like Boner (sic) and McLame (sic) are off the ship and far away.

    Yeah, you think its RINOs who are going to jump ship? Just wait until Libertarian leaning Center Right Republicans get sick of losing and people with your stubborn attitude and jump ship. Then what, your party will go the way of the whigs.

    I don’t want a candidate that appeals to blacks, Hispanics, urbanites, or whatever. I want a candidate that appeals to Americans.

    Yup, the only real Americans in your book are Rural Whites. Everyone else is non America. No thanks, I do not want to be part of a Party that tells people they do not consider to be real Americans to FOAD.

    I appreciate your honesty and it confirms what I always thought the Republican Base thinks of othesr who are not in their club.

    Enjoy losing elections!


  94. 94 | March 4, 2013 11:32 am

    @ lobo91:
    Someone I know posted a picture on Facebook recently about “UN Tanks” in the states. I had to inform them that those tanks were desert tan not the brilliant white of U.N. vehicles. As well, there’s not one generic type of U.N. vehicle. Posted links to pictures so that they would understand.

    Some people just don’t get it.


  95. 95 | March 4, 2013 11:33 am

    @ lobo91:

    This is all just fear mongering then? That was my suspicion. There’s enough to worry about with Obama that there’s no need to make shit up.


  96. 96 | March 4, 2013 11:34 am

    New Thread at 12 EST.


  97. lobo91
    97 | March 4, 2013 11:34 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Exactly correct. The government hasn’t created the current ammo shortage — the American people have created the current ammo shortage. This should concern the government.

    People are buying thousands of rounds in calibers they don’t even use. It’s getting ridiculous.


  98. lobo91
    98 | March 4, 2013 11:35 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I’ve heard people say — forget gold, stockpile ammo. It’s going for a buck a round in places and you can resell it your surplus.

    That’s what’s causing the shortages.


  99. 99 | March 4, 2013 11:37 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yup, the only real Americans in your book are Rural Whites. Everyone else is non America.

    You know Rodan, you really are an asshole. Fuck this -- I’m out.


  100. lobo91
    100 | March 4, 2013 11:38 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yup, the only real Americans in your book are Rural Whites. Everyone else is non America. No thanks, I do not want to be part of a Party that tells people they do not consider to be real Americans to FOAD.

    I appreciate your honesty and it confirms what I always thought the Republican Base thinks of othesr who are not in their club.

    You either have a reading comprehension problem or you’re deliberately trolling.

    Not sure which, but it’s starting to piss me off.


  101. 101 | March 4, 2013 11:43 am

    @ lobo91:

    What do you know about the government buying up brass? I noticed at our local gun range that where I used to see about two or three people with brass catchers, now fully 50% have them. And the range is annoyed because from what I gather they’re used to sweeping up and keeping the brass. One guy told us that the government was buying up all the brass and the EPA was going to be make it harder and harder for reloaders to purchase lead.

    It’s getting harder and harder to separate the breakfast cereal from the game on the back of the box.


  102. lobo91
    102 | March 4, 2013 11:48 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    They can only buy what people sell them. I haven’t heard anything about them buying brass, and don’t know of any good reason they’d be doing so. They don’t reload ammo.

    In fact, it usually works the other way around. Government (including the military) usually sells expended brass. When they stopped selling fired .50 cal brass a couple years back, it caused a huge outcry and they ultimately resumed selling it.

    The lead thing has been an ongoing issue. That one really is a backdoor attempt at control.


  103. waldensianspirit
    103 | March 4, 2013 11:51 am

    Rodan’s exclusivity from “my kind” will insure Obama’s clan long rule

    My tent is much more inclusive


  104. 104 | March 4, 2013 11:54 am

    @ lobo91:

    Re the brass, that’s an interesting point. If the government isn’t selling the brass as they’ve done in the past, I can see where that could be a problem. Maybe they’re melting it down so Obama can build some statues to himself since he fancies himself a modern-day Caesar (minus, you know, the intelligence and the military genius) -- he’s already using Caesar’s favorite political ploy -- money and goodies to the plebes to buy their good will and support.


  105. lobo91
    105 | March 4, 2013 11:55 am

    I did a little checking, and this is the DHS division those MRAPs (not tanks) belong to:

    Homeland Security Investigations

    The ICE Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) directorate is a critical asset in the ICE mission, responsible for investigating a wide range of domestic and international activities arising from the illegal movement of people and goods into, within and out of the United States.

    HSI investigates immigration crime, human rights violations and human smuggling, smuggling of narcotics, weapons and other types of contraband, financial crimes, cybercrime and export enforcement issues. ICE special agents conduct investigations aimed at protecting critical infrastructure industries that are vulnerable to sabotage, attack or exploitation.


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | March 4, 2013 11:58 am

    As soon as the ammo shortage gets really serious, never fear—DHS workers will pilfer it and sell it on the black market.


  107. waldensianspirit
    107 | March 4, 2013 11:59 am

    A little Dale Carnegie goes a long way


  108. 108 | March 4, 2013 11:59 am

    Oh, Mother of God, tell this twit that the only voice he’s got belongs to Karl Rove….

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/04/jeb-bush-says-he-wont-rule-out-2016-white-house-run-but-wont-declare-today/#disqus_thread


  109. 109 | March 4, 2013 12:00 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    They still are, back in 2009 they tried stopping it. There was too much screaming and yelling so they resumed it again. Any post about this issue that’s new always seems to quote the original 2009 article. Just did some searching on this since I have heard it making the rounds.


  110. 110 | March 4, 2013 12:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    human rights violations

    It’s the Gay Enforcement Police! 8O


  111. 111 | March 4, 2013 12:03 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Bush could prompt me to stay home in 2016. We don’t need another bush. As you say, the only person pining for the Glory Days of the Bush Administration is Karl Rove.


  112. lobo91
    112 | March 4, 2013 12:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    human rights violations
    It’s the Gay Enforcement Police!

    I thought that was part of the NEA?


  113. lobo91
    113 | March 4, 2013 12:06 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    A little Dale Carnegie goes a long way

    Don’t be silly.

    Implying that anyone who’s opposed to breaking the country up into little hyphenated groups is a member of the KKK is a brilliant strategy!
    //


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    114 | March 4, 2013 12:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We don’t need another bush.

    We are the Knights Who Say, “Ni!”—and we want a shrubbery!


  115. waldensianspirit
    115 | March 4, 2013 12:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    As soon as the ammo shortage gets really serious, never fear—DHS workers will pilfer it and sell it on the black market.

    Thought of that:-) And how I can capitalize….


  116. 116 | March 4, 2013 12:10 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Unfortunately, the breaking of America into little hyphenated groups is already a done deal. We either play the game by the new groundrules or we forfit.


  117. lobo91
    117 | March 4, 2013 12:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Unfortunately, the breaking of America into little hyphenated groups is already a done deal. We either play the game by the new groundrules or we forfit.

    If that’s true then the game’s already over.


  118. 118 | March 4, 2013 12:16 pm

    @ lobo91:

    To a degree, it is over, and we lost. I think electing Obama to a Second Term spells the doom of America as a united nation. Obama intends to spend until he breaks the back of the economy. It won’ tmatter who got a leg up in the hyphenated Americans class then, but the low info voters that voted for Obama don’t know that, and most importantly don’t want to know it. They are content as Obama breaks this once pround nation. At least someone else will be paying fr Sandra Fluke’s birth control.


  119. waldensianspirit
    119 | March 4, 2013 12:17 pm

    Systems always aggregate. Just sad the Best cannot beat the Byzantine Empire.


  120. waldensianspirit
    120 | March 4, 2013 12:19 pm

    And agglomerates


  121. buzzsawmonkey
    121 | March 4, 2013 12:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If that’s true then the game’s already over.

    The game is over. But don’t let that stop you from playing!


  122. lobo91
    122 | March 4, 2013 12:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    If that’s true then the game’s already over.
    The game is over. But don’t let that stop you from playing!

    We’ll be switching to a new game.


  123. buzzsawmonkey
    123 | March 4, 2013 12:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Gosh. There was a time when Matthew Broderick wasn’t a paunchy, pasty-faced nebbish with lifeless eyes.


  124. lobo91
    124 | March 4, 2013 12:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Gosh. There was a time when Matthew Broderick wasn’t a paunchy, pasty-faced nebbish with lifeless eyes.

    Living with Sarah Jessica Parker for 15 years will do that.


  125. buzzsawmonkey
    125 | March 4, 2013 12:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Living with Sarah Jessica Parker for 15 years will do that.

    She probably sucks the life out of him every night—and not in a fun way.


  126. 126 | March 4, 2013 12:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I appreciate your honesty and it confirms what I always thought the Republican Base thinks of othesr who are not in their club.

    Enjoy losing elections!

    Mike C. is NOT a typical member of the Republican base.

    The Republican base is made up of Second Amendment people, fiscal conservatives, and pro-lifers. It’s primarily Christian.


  127. 127 | March 4, 2013 1:00 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    If that’s true then the game’s already over.
    The game is over. But don’t let that stop you from playing!

    I get in trouble everywhere I go for talking about secession and/or emigration.

    Because I don’t think that secession will happen soon enough to do me any good, I will soon emigrate. It takes a LOT of planning and preparation to do it right.


  128. 128 | March 4, 2013 1:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    At least Clinton was an American, he did many things I disagree with, but we knew from day one, his history as an American, Obama not so much…………..


  129. darkwords
    129 | March 4, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ 36 RIX:I would say Benghazi is 100 times worse than Watergate also


  130. darkwords
    130 | March 4, 2013 2:36 pm

    @ darkwords: Some talking head on Fox needs to ask the question “did obama kill 4 people in Benghazi to meet a political objective?” The question needs to be asked of Obama in the media at large.


  131. Speranza
    131 | March 4, 2013 3:16 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Oh, Mother of God, tell this twit that the only voice he’s got belongs to Karl Rove….
    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/04/jeb-bush-says-he-wont-rule-out-2016-white-house-run-but-wont-declare-today/#disqus_thread

    The worst mistake Ronald Reagan ever made was picking that prissy GHWB to be his V.P.


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