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Was Mitt Romney really serious about winning?

by Rodan ( 169 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2012, Mitt Romney, Republican Party at March 5th, 2013 - 12:00 pm

When Tagg Romney said he his dad Mitt really did not want to run for President, it struck a nerve. Romney campaigned as if he really did not care about winning. In the primaries, he cynically became a clone of Rick Santorum to appeal to the Republican base. This move fooled no one and it hurt Mitt Romney with the general election. Everyone knew he was a Moderate Eisenhower Republican and this made him appear not genuine.

After winning the nomination, Mitt Romney did absolutely nothing for 3 months. Barack Obama and OFA launched one of the most brutal campaigns in modern history. They called Romney a felon, murder, tax cheat, racist and anything else they can think of. Instead of answering, Mitt Romney just sat there and did nothing. His convention speech was a joke and so were his ads. Mitt Romney either thought he should win and did not feel like doing what was needed or even worse. It is very possible that Mitt Romney was really not serious about running for President.

In his first interview since the election, Romney expressed his dismay in not having the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. “I wish I were there. It kills me not to be there, not to be in the White House doing what needs to be done,” said the former Massachusetts Governor.

It is interesting that Romney should use the word “kill” in describing his feelings about losing the election. After all, back in the summer of 2011, the Obama campaign concluded that the President could not run for re-election on the basis of his accomplishments in office. Instead, the Obama campaign made it their mission to “kill Romney.”

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Shortly before Christmas, the Boston Globe published a story on the Romney campaign. The article quoted his eldest son Tagg who revealed that his father did not want to run for President for a second time: 

“He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life. He had no desire to …run. If he could have found someone else to take his place… he would have been ecstatic to step aside.”

There is no reason believe that Tagg Romney isn’t telling the truth and no one has suggested so. So it is quite possible that after the first debate, Romney thought to himself (perhaps on a subconscious level), “Holy crap, I could actually win this thing.” In which case, instead of spending the final month of the campaign going for the knockout punch (in effect “killing Obama”), he spent it resting on the laurels of the first debate.

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The fact that Hillary was denied her place in the White House by Obama in 2008 makes her all the hungrier to be President. There will be a huge target on the back of the Republican nominee in 2016. Whoever Republicans nominate had better be prepared to place a bigger target on Hillary’s back. Otherwise, in four years time, we will have yet another Republican telling us it kills them not to be in the White House.

If I was a betting man, I would place a bet that Hillary or the Democrat nominee will win 2016 in a cakewalk. There is nothing on the Republican side that can counter OFA. The Republican Consultant Class is more interested in making money than winning elections, hence they reject any innovative ideas.  Losing seems to have become ingrained in the political culture of the Republican Party.

Americans do not like losers and if the Republicans continue with its acceptance of losing, it will go the way of the Whigs.

 

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  1. buzzsawmonkey
    1 | March 5, 2013 12:20 pm

    Whether or not Romney was serious about winning is at this point unimportant; he didn’t.

    The important thing is to find someone who is both conservative and serious about winning for the next bout, as soon as possible—and to do what can be done at the state and local level to support conservative candidates.


  2. 2 | March 5, 2013 12:21 pm

    If the Republicans aren’t willing to go for the throat next time, they should just stay home. There is no sense wasting everyone’s time and money. Romney never campaigned half as hard against Obama as he did Rick Perry. I don’t kno wthat he threw the election the way McCain did, but he didn’t want to win it bad enough to do what it took to win it.


  3. Speranza
    3 | March 5, 2013 12:25 pm

    I call bull shit on Tagg Romney. You do not spend three years preparing to run for the presidency in order to lose it. He ran a bad campaign because the “consulting class” that the Republican Establishment venerates -- sucks a big one.


  4. 4 | March 5, 2013 12:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If the Republicans aren’t willing to go for the throat next time, they should just stay home. There is no sense wasting everyone’s time and money. Romney never campaigned half as hard against Obama as he did Rick Perry. I don’t kno wthat he threw the election the way McCain did, but he didn’t want to win it bad enough to do what it took to win it.

    I think he figured if he wins, great but if he doesn’t he goes back to his life. That’s why he just sat there for 3 months and let Obama obliterate him.


  5. 5 | March 5, 2013 12:26 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I think he wanted to win, but did not care if he lost. He also underestimated OFA.


  6. Speranza
    6 | March 5, 2013 12:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I think he wanted to win, but did not care if he lost. He also underestimated OFA.

    Quite concur.


  7. eaglesoars
    8 | March 5, 2013 12:36 pm

    sorry for the OT but worth reading

    The Great Ammunition Myth

    He says there’s nothing to worry about.

    I’ll think about that.

    back to work…………


  8. brookly red
    10 | March 5, 2013 12:54 pm

    Re: There is nothing on the Republican side that can counter OFA. Well common logic say true, IF thing remain pretty much the way they are now. BUT between then and now many things can happen that we don’t know about plus the effects of obamacare that we do know about will change the landscape considerably. I think we are in for some hard times and the Dems are going to own it.


  9. coldwarrior
    11 | March 5, 2013 12:57 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I call bull shit on Tagg Romney. You do not spend three years preparing to run for the presidency in order to lose it. He ran a bad campaign because the “consulting class” that the Republican Establishment venerates — sucks a big one.

    it is most curious what tagg said.


  10. 12 | March 5, 2013 12:57 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I wish you were right, but OFA knows how to manipulate people.


  11. coldwarrior
    13 | March 5, 2013 12:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I think he wanted to win, but did not care if he lost. He also underestimated OFA.

    underestimated? hell, the gop never saw this coming!


  12. brookly red
    14 | March 5, 2013 1:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I wish you were right, but OFA knows how to manipulate people.

    So did the Stasi, but where are they today? Seriously if the election were held today I agree 100%, but by 2016 we may all be on breadlines.


  13. 15 | March 5, 2013 1:06 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Who on the GOP side can win in 2016 against Hillary?

    Hint: No one!


  14. 16 | March 5, 2013 1:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I think when ObamaCare phases in next year a lot of people are going to get nasty wake-up calls. Especially when the ObamaCare “tax” phases in, and people who can’t afford insurance are hit with thousands of dollars worth of penalties for not having insurance. That is going to really bite.


  15. coldwarrior
    17 | March 5, 2013 1:07 pm

    @ brookly red:

    the technical prowess of google joined with the ruthlessness and discipline of the left is a powerful weapon.

    the right needs to wake up or their message will never get out, or it it will be twisted by ofa. either way, the message is garbled and not effective.

    one targeted ad, or a facebook comment can turn a voter. we have to counter this and it is going to be very difficult.


  16. 18 | March 5, 2013 1:07 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    They still refuse to do anything about it.


  17. coldwarrior
    19 | March 5, 2013 1:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    So did the Stasi, but where are they today?

    running google and ofa


  18. brookly red
    20 | March 5, 2013 1:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Who on the GOP side can win in 2016 against Hillary?

    Hint: No one!

    Again IF things remain the same… if we are in the midst of a depression and a war all bets are off.


  19. 21 | March 5, 2013 1:09 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    media bias can be overcomed. OFA can’t and something needs to be done.


  20. 22 | March 5, 2013 1:10 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Then give up, but I think you are wrong. I think Marco Rubio or Suzanna Martinez eithe rone could possibly defeat Hillary. Nikki Haley is another who could go head to head with her. Hillary was never beloved except by a certian clique. She wasn’t able to beat Barack Obama, after all, and she may not win the nomination. I think it is a deep mistake to go ahead and coronate her four years before the election. If you are going ot do that, why bother having elections in the first place? Just appoint your chosen one to the dictatorship, and be done with it.


  21. brookly red
    23 | March 5, 2013 1:10 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    So did the Stasi, but where are they today?

    running google and ofa

    well LOL very true but that just makes my point, evil exists and has always been with us… sometimes humanity rises to the occasion


  22. coldwarrior
    24 | March 5, 2013 1:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They still refuse to do anything about it.

    they think that if the stick their fingers in their ears, yell lalalalalalalala real loud and run around in circles that ofa will go away.


  23. 25 | March 5, 2013 1:11 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Doe not matter, OFA will find and get the voters. What are Republicans offering that the American people will be yearning for?


  24. coldwarrior
    26 | March 5, 2013 1:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    media bias can be overcomed. OFA can’t and something needs to be done.

    ofa gets the message straight to the person they target at just the right time with just the right verbiage nad tone, tailored to the person they want to persuade. it is elegant to watch. i am very impressed


  25. 27 | March 5, 2013 1:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    What are Republicans offering that the American people will be yearning for?

    JObs. Unemployment will still be above 8%. The low info slackers may still be content to live in their mother’s basement, but are they going to turn out in record numbers for Hillary? They already didn’t when she ran against Barack Obama.


  26. brookly red
    28 | March 5, 2013 1:14 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Then give up, but I think you are wrong. I think Marco Rubio or Suzanna Martinez eithe rone could possibly defeat Hillary. Nikki Haley is another who could go head to head with her. Hillary was never beloved except by a certian clique. She wasn’t able to beat Barack Obama, after all, and she may not win the nomination. I think it is a deep mistake to go ahead and coronate her four years before the election. If you are going ot do that, why bother having elections in the first place? Just appoint your chosen one to the dictatorship, and be done with it.

    3 years off is too long to predict… we could have war(s), disasters, revolution, economic collapse, plague, pestilence, famine or all of the above by then.


  27. coldwarrior
    29 | March 5, 2013 1:15 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well LOL very true but that just makes my point, evil exists and has always been with us… sometimes humanity rises to the occasion

    this is neither evil nor good. this is pure information and psychological warfare. it simply is.


  28. 30 | March 5, 2013 1:16 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think Marco Rubio or Suzanna Martinez eithe rone could possibly defeat Hillary.

    I doubt either of those 2 can win the GOP nod.Plus OFA will demonize them.

    Just appoint your chosen one to the dictatorship, and be done with it.

    Until there is a counter 2 OFA we will have defacto coronations. Its the truth and its time for Republican voters to realize what is at work here. We have a defacto dictatorship based on data-mining and behavioral analysis.


  29. coldwarrior
    31 | March 5, 2013 1:18 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    3 years off is too long to predict

    that is an eon in politics.


  30. brookly red
    32 | March 5, 2013 1:18 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    media bias can be overcomed. OFA can’t and something needs to be done.

    ofa gets the message straight to the person they target at just the right time with just the right verbiage nad tone, tailored to the person they want to persuade. it is elegant to watch. i am very impressed

    It’s called targeted direct marketing, that’s what we do on Madison Ave… If the GOP wants to win elections they should hire DDB or BBDO. The OFA is just a marketing campaign albeit an evil one.


  31. buzzsawmonkey
    33 | March 5, 2013 1:19 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    ofa gets the message straight to the person they target at just the right time with just the right verbiage nad tone, tailored to the person they want to persuade. it is elegant to watch. i am very impressed

    Plus, it is building a big fundraising base even as Obama and the Democrats decry the “corruption of money in politics” supposedly caused by the Citizens United decision.

    Wondrous hypocrisy, such as only the Democrats can make.


  32. 34 | March 5, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    JObs. Unemployment will still be above 8%.

    Republicans have not Presided over a good economy since the 1980′s. They do not have credibility with people at the moment.

    but are they going to turn out in record numbers for Hillary?

    OFA will get them out. Look into OFA and as Techie, it should scare you.

    AZ Old Dog is finishing up his data-mining post. I have only posted the tip of the iceberg. OFA is more scarier than I have explained.


  33. coldwarrior
    35 | March 5, 2013 1:20 pm

    @ Rodan:

    i wondered ho i was getting obama ads that were only about econ and medicine. now i know, and i would get hit at national review or some other ‘right’ publication. they targeted the ads by what i was looking at and reading. i saw no such ads from romney. so if i’m not paying attention, 0′s message is read and romneys is not.


  34. heysoos
    36 | March 5, 2013 1:21 pm

    @ brookly red:
    the Cubs could even win the World Series by then….
    probably not tho


  35. brookly red
    37 | March 5, 2013 1:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    media bias can be overcomed. OFA can’t and something needs to be done.

    ofa gets the message straight to the person they target at just the right time with just the right verbiage nad tone, tailored to the person they want to persuade. it is elegant to watch. i am very impressed

    It’s called targeted direct marketing, that’s what we do on Madison Ave… If the GOP wants to win elections they should hire DDB or BBDO. The OFA is just a marketing campaign albeit an evil one.

    PS there are 6 companies tracking us right now…


  36. 38 | March 5, 2013 1:21 pm

    @ brookly red:

    The Republicans are not nor do they have any intentions. The Consultant Class does not want to share power. They only want a check.


  37. brookly red
    39 | March 5, 2013 1:22 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    the Cubs could even win the World Series by then….
    probably not tho

    Rahm is mayor… it very well could happen ;)


  38. coldwarrior
    40 | March 5, 2013 1:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    It’s called targeted direct marketing, that’s what we do on Madison Ave… If the GOP wants to win elections they should hire DDB or BBDO. The OFA is just a marketing campaign albeit an evil one.

    i know what it is, its just faster, more efficient, and more personalized…and its relentless.

    i would love for the gop to hire bbdo. but why would they do anything that smart.


  39. 41 | March 5, 2013 1:22 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    They target and get their message out. Unlike the GOP, Dems get votes where they can.


  40. brookly red
    42 | March 5, 2013 1:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    It’s called targeted direct marketing, that’s what we do on Madison Ave… If the GOP wants to win elections they should hire DDB or BBDO. The OFA is just a marketing campaign albeit an evil one.

    i know what it is, its just faster, more efficient, and more personalized…and its relentless.

    i would love for the gop to hire bbdo. but why would they do anything that smart.

    Gawd I would love to have that account!

    Trash Libs and get paid for it? Heart be still!


  41. 43 | March 5, 2013 1:27 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Democrats don’t have a monopoly on data-mining and behavioral analysis. The Republicans can counter OFA with a similar operation. It remains to be seen whether they will, but the technology is ideologically agnostic. Romney had the money to counter them, but he lacked the will. He listened to the consultants, and the consultants don’t know what they are talking about. We have a very deep bench for this next election. The Democrats have Hillary, a re-tread, and some black candidates who probably have a leg up on her, but aren’t necessarily goin got have a leg up with the voting populace at large. We’ll have had eight years of stagnation and debt by the end of the Obama Administration. What does Hillary bring but more of the same? That’ll sell to abou t45% of the population, but will it bring them out in the numbers necessary to win? It is a long time until the next election, but you’ve already conceeded without even knowing who we’ll run. OFA has done a number on you psychologically. They’ve beaten you four years out, but that doesn’t mean that they’ll win the election.


  42. 44 | March 5, 2013 1:27 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    i would love for the gop to hire bbdo. but why would they do anything that smart.

    The GOP Consultant Class as Iron Fist has noted many times do not care about winning. They just want a check and get invited to parties.


  43. 45 | March 5, 2013 1:27 pm

    Please Rodan, do not declare defeat so early on, as in well before anyone is even public with their intentions on becoming our next POTUS. Political sentiments have tides, just like anything else in life. We are going to need each and every one of us positive and fighting in order to see that Hillary is not elected our Chief Executive in 2016. If you wish to see this nightmare become a reality, then by all means, convince as many Americans as you are able to to give up hope now and do nothing to fight this Socialist onslaught. As for me, I can not get on that wagon with you.

    The Bamster is a cult figure, just like you’ve told us for years now, you are correct about that. But even as charismatic and seemingly magical a cult figure as he is, he can not defy the destiny that belongs to all cult figures. True, I believed that he would have met that end already, but by November of 2012 the bloom had not sufficiently been blown off of that rose. 2016 is a ways off yet, and he has plenty of time to fall, and this sequestration nonsense is a great place to start.

    When the fall does happen, his top lieutenants will be in line with him, and that includes every single Democrat, including Hillary and Bill Clinton, in these fruited plains. It’ll also include the bulk of the alphabet media, who have hitched their star to his without even the shadow of a pretense towards objectivity.

    In short, I believe that within these next four years, we are capable of coming up with something to counter OFA, and defeat it.


  44. coldwarrior
    46 | March 5, 2013 1:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Plus, it is building a big fundraising base even as Obama and the Democrats decry the “corruption of money in politics” supposedly caused by the Citizens United decision.

    Wondrous hypocrisy, such as only the Democrats can make.

    discipline and ruthlessness.


  45. Tanker
    47 | March 5, 2013 1:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    JObs. Unemployment will still be above 8%.
    Republicans have not Presided over a good economy since the 1980′s. They do not have credibility with people at the moment.
    but are they going to turn out in record numbers for Hillary?
    OFA will get them out. Look into OFA and as Techie, it should scare you.
    AZ Old Dog is finishing up his data-mining post. I have only posted the tip of the iceberg. OFA is more scarier than I have explained.

    Why bother with these posts on OFA. The republicans are toast (will continue to lose for ever) and this horse has been beaten to death. Sure it scares the bejesus out of us here, but what do we (on this blog) do? All we do here is piss each other off, and we can’t affect things one iota!

    Moving on!


  46. coldwarrior
    48 | March 5, 2013 1:30 pm

    @ brookly red:

    that’s it?


  47. 49 | March 5, 2013 1:31 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Republicans can counter OFA with a similar operation. It remains to be seen whether they will

    That is the problem right there. As you have said the Consultant Class only cares about getting a check or invites to the right party.

    but you’ve already conceeded without even knowing who we’ll run. OFA has done a number on you psychologically. They’ve beaten you four years out, but that doesn’t mean that they’ll win the election.

    I have resigned myself to reality. Unless I see a counter to OFA and a change in the GOP’s mentality, its a wrap. I hope I am wrong, but I see no evidence to disprove my observation.


  48. coldwarrior
    50 | March 5, 2013 1:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    i would love for the gop to hire bbdo. but why would they do anything that smart.
    The GOP Consultant Class as Iron Fist has noted many times do not care about winning. They just want a check and get invited to parties.

    our own leadership we can get rid of. that would be a great first step


  49. brookly red
    51 | March 5, 2013 1:31 pm

    There is no need for advertisements to look like advertisements. If you make them look like editorial pages, you will attract about 50 per cent more readers.

    -David Ogily


  50. brookly red
    52 | March 5, 2013 1:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    that’s it?

    welcome to the jungle :)


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    53 | March 5, 2013 1:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    the Consultant Class

    Skip, skip, skip to my lose
    Skip, skip, skip to my lose
    Skip, skip, skip to my lose
    Skip to my losing campaign!


  52. coldwarrior
    54 | March 5, 2013 1:34 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    All we do here is piss each other off, and we can’t affect things one iota!

    Moving on!

    get involved at you local gop and tea party. thats what i have been doing.

    that is how we move on.


  53. brookly red
    56 | March 5, 2013 1:36 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Tanker wrote:

    All we do here is piss each other off, and we can’t affect things one iota!

    Moving on!

    get involved at you local gop and tea party. thats what i have been doing.

    that is how we move on.

    that and patiently wait for the Dems to phuc things up so bad even they can’t lie their way out …


  54. RIX
    57 | March 5, 2013 1:36 pm

    I have just been purusing the thread. Lots of good obsevations.
    It seems to me thatb the Republicans need to get smarter, more
    high tech & hone a relentless message.
    I would say beat on Benhazi 24x7, mke the people undertand
    nd get outraged.
    It’s a twofer, it beats up on Obama & Hillary.


  55. coldwarrior
    59 | March 5, 2013 1:39 pm

    @ RIX:

    the old adage: dont work harder, work smarter.


  56. brookly red
    60 | March 5, 2013 1:41 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I have just been purusing the thread. Lots of good obsevations.
    It seems to me thatb the Republicans need to get smarter, more
    high tech & hone a relentless message.
    I would say beat on Benhazi 24x7, mke the people undertand
    nd get outraged.
    It’s a twofer, it beats up on Obama & Hillary.

    first hire a solid marketing firm to figure out what it is that people don’t like and THEN go for it… it’s just marketing the world’s oldest profession (he you gotta position it before you can sell it)


  57. Tanker
    61 | March 5, 2013 1:42 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    get involved at you local gop and tea party. thats what i have been doing.

    I’m involved at the local level. My point is at the National level. No money would probably change things, but our little bit withheld from them doesn’t seem to matter as long as the large checks are coming in. I’ve left the republican party as a registered member. Doesn’t mean I won’t vote repub, but they can no longer count on it!

    Also, I’ve seen people leave or rarely post here lately and don’t see the need to continue to follow that trend. JMHO, but to each their on!


  58. heysoos
    62 | March 5, 2013 1:44 pm

    seems to me that BO might rescue the GOP, sooner and with greater effect than the GOP can do for itself…at this point they must be politically smart, and don’t hit a tree….BO is a walking, talking disaster so play that angle


  59. Tanker
    63 | March 5, 2013 1:45 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Eighty-two percent of American Jews support a two-state solution

    So do I….Oh I thought I read two status solution. One party would have a dead status, Can you guess which One?


  60. 64 | March 5, 2013 1:45 pm

    @ Tanker:

    The more ionformation that gets out on OFA the better. Do you see any other Conservative blog discussing OFA? Nope, they just spew RNC talking points and propaganda. The fact they do not discuss OFA speaks volumes of their delsuions.


  61. RIX
    65 | March 5, 2013 1:46 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ RIX:

    the old adage: dont work harder, work smarter.

    That is a truism.


  62. brookly red
    66 | March 5, 2013 1:47 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    seems to me that BO might rescue the GOP, sooner and with greater effect than the GOP can do for itself…at this point they must be politically smart, and don’t hit a tree….BO is a walking, talking disaster so play that angle

    yup, wonder where he will get into the next war


  63. 67 | March 5, 2013 1:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Good luck getting rid of them.


  64. RIX
    68 | March 5, 2013 1:48 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Yup, taylor the message to the people.
    Whatever they don’t like, be the other guy.


  65. 69 | March 5, 2013 1:48 pm

    @ Tanker:

    People do not like the truth. Other blogs lie and just push Conservatives buttons. I refuse to spew propaganda nor lie.


  66. brookly red
    70 | March 5, 2013 1:50 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Yup, taylor the message to the people.
    Whatever they don’t like, be the other guy.

    marketing 101 create(or identify) the problem and offer a solution like that doctor who actually offered a clear easy to understand alternative to obamacare. Look at the traction he got!


  67. Tanker
    71 | March 5, 2013 1:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    People do not like the truth. Other blogs lie and just push Conservatives buttons. I refuse to spew propaganda nor lie.

    As long as you are happy it’s all good by me! I see the problem as you do…how to affect a solution is the problem! Find a way to spread it beyond the thirty or so people here and then maybe, just maybe something will be done!

    Later…..


  68. RIX
    72 | March 5, 2013 1:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Yup, taylor the message to the people.
    Whatever they don’t like, be the other guy.

    marketing 101 create(or identify) the problem and offer a solution like that doctor who actually offered a clear easy to understand alternative to obamacare. Look at the traction he got!

    That’s the way to go The Republicans have to get over the of
    being called racist & hateful etc.


  69. coldwarrior
    73 | March 5, 2013 1:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Good luck getting rid of them.

    -long is the struggle, hard the fight


  70. brookly red
    74 | March 5, 2013 1:55 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Yup, taylor the message to the people.
    Whatever they don’t like, be the other guy.

    marketing 101 create(or identify) the problem and offer a solution like that doctor who actually offered a clear easy to understand alternative to obamacare. Look at the traction he got!

    That’s the way to go The Republicans have to get over the of
    being called racist & hateful etc.

    truth to power is power.


  71. RIX
    75 | March 5, 2013 1:57 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Right on!


  72. heysoos
    76 | March 5, 2013 1:59 pm

    Jeb Bush is starting to spin a bit faster now…this is a bad thing for the GOP and if handlers can’t see why, then I suggest the party is already divided and preset for another loss


  73. brookly red
    77 | March 5, 2013 2:01 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Right on!

    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.


  74. coldwarrior
    79 | March 5, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ Tanker:

    we dont run a blog that simply repeats the gop talking points. we arent here to validate anyone or make them feel better. ace or hot air can do that for you.

    this is a free flow blog, and peeps talk about whatever they want, we post what people write.

    do i agree with everything on this blog, oh hell no. but i will listen and think about it. there is no virtue in being a echo chamber.


  75. coldwarrior
    80 | March 5, 2013 2:11 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Right on!

    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.

    dr carson has a future in politics.


  76. RIX
    81 | March 5, 2013 2:12 pm

    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.@ brookly red:

    He made people think.


  77. coldwarrior
    82 | March 5, 2013 2:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Jeb Bush is starting to spin a bit faster now…this is a bad thing for the GOP and if handlers can’t see why, then I suggest the party is already divided and preset for another loss

    i dont like political dynasties, on the left or the right.


  78. brookly red
    83 | March 5, 2013 2:13 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Right on!

    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.

    dr carson has a future in politics.

    no doubt they are investigating him as we speak… I wonder how they can link him to Palin :)


  79. brookly red
    84 | March 5, 2013 2:15 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.@ brookly red:

    He made people think.

    he offered a solution! now think on this, If people had health savings accounts and were not sick how far would that go to save social security?


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    85 | March 5, 2013 2:16 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    no doubt they are investigating him as we speak… I wonder how they can link him to Palin

    Dr. Carson is a pediatric surgeon and Sarah Palin has a uterus—geez, do I have to draw you a diagram?


  81. brookly red
    86 | March 5, 2013 2:17 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.@ brookly red:

    He made people think.

    in OFA they have a Goliath… we need a David.

    God will provide.


  82. heysoos
    87 | March 5, 2013 2:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Jeb Bush is starting to spin a bit faster now…this is a bad thing for the GOP and if handlers can’t see why, then I suggest the party is already divided and preset for another loss

    i dont like political dynasties, on the left or the right.

    I don’t either…and I think the fatigue factor too great to overcome


  83. coldwarrior
    88 | March 5, 2013 2:18 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    no doubt they are investigating him as we speak… I wonder how they can link him to Palin :)

    i am sure the dem dirty trick dept will nail him on a half true story


  84. brookly red
    89 | March 5, 2013 2:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    no doubt they are investigating him as we speak… I wonder how they can link him to Palin

    Dr. Carson is a pediatric surgeon and Sarah Palin has a uterus—geez, do I have to draw you a diagram?

    /no I will wait for the one Move On draws :)


  85. coldwarrior
    90 | March 5, 2013 2:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.@ brookly red:
    He made people think.

    in OFA they have a Goliath… we need a David.
    God will provide.

    ofa is beatable. we just have to understand it first. and that is the problem. too many on the right just poo-poo it and that is at our own peril


  86. buzzsawmonkey
    91 | March 5, 2013 2:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    ofa is beatable. we just have to understand it first.

    For one thing, people need to realize it’s an acronym for Obama’s Fascist Assholes.


  87. 92 | March 5, 2013 2:26 pm

    @ heysoos:

    As I said on the last thread, nobody but Karl Rove is pining for the halcyon days of the Bush Administration. W made too much of a hash of it. Worse, he didn’t defend himself. He let the Left demonize him, and did nothing. That makes the Bush name poisonous in politics. I doubt his brother could have been elected governor of Florida After W’s performance in office.


  88. brookly red
    93 | March 5, 2013 2:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.@ brookly red:
    He made people think.

    in OFA they have a Goliath… we need a David.
    God will provide.

    ofa is beatable. we just have to understand it first. and that is the problem. too many on the right just poo-poo it and that is at our own peril

    it’s easy to understand, it’s high end marketing with the devil for a client. I don’t poo-poo it, I just being in the biz recognize it for what it is. It is beatable.


  89. heysoos
    94 | March 5, 2013 2:28 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.@ brookly red:
    He made people think.
    in OFA they have a Goliath… we need a David.
    God will provide.

    ofa is beatable. we just have to understand it first. and that is the problem. too many on the right just poo-poo it and that is at our own peril

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    Dr. Benjamin Carson… that was his name. All he did was tell the truth and look what happened.@ brookly red:
    He made people think.
    in OFA they have a Goliath… we need a David.
    God will provide.

    ofa is beatable. we just have to understand it first. and that is the problem. too many on the right just poo-poo it and that is at our own peril

    in a sport if your opponent beats you consistently with a new technique, you have to adapt…same with war and politics, business…just mimic them exactly


  90. RIX
    95 | March 5, 2013 2:30 pm

    he offered a solution! now think on this, If people had health savings accounts and were not sick how far would that go to save social security?@ brookly red:

    That does not help Obama to make the “Socialist Man.”


  91. 96 | March 5, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ brookly red:

    And the Devil is easy to market. He tell syou everything is going to be Fun, you can do what you want, and the price isn’t too high. Just your soul, but the low info voters never notice that part of the spiel. Obama was able to turn them out, but Obama is a special case. I don’t think that the magic pixie dust Obama farts is going to be as easily transferrable as Obama may think. If it were, we’d be saying hello to President Biden.


  92. Speranza
    97 | March 5, 2013 2:30 pm

    The GOP is in the words of Abraham Lincoln (that he used to describe Major General William S. Rosecrans after his defeat at Chickamauga in 1863)”Confused and stunned, like a duck hit on the head”.


  93. brookly red
    98 | March 5, 2013 2:33 pm

    The Saatchi brothers were some of the best political marketers ever.

    In a British election the dealt the Labor Party a sever blow… the core image was people on a long unemployment line. The campaign slogan was simply “Labor isn’t Working”.


  94. heysoos
    99 | March 5, 2013 2:33 pm

    punish the people….keep the rabble at arms reach
    I’ll bet BO loves this…what an insult
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/mar/5/more-sequester-pain-white-house-cancels-tours/


  95. brookly red
    100 | March 5, 2013 2:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    And the Devil is easy to market. He tell syou everything is going to be Fun, you can do what you want, and the price isn’t too high. Just your soul, but the low info voters never notice that part of the spiel. Obama was able to turn them out, but Obama is a special case. I don’t think that the magic pixie dust Obama farts is going to be as easily transferrable as Obama may think. If it were, we’d be saying hello to President Biden.

    no free phone for you!


  96. RIX
    101 | March 5, 2013 2:42 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Wait until the story comes out about a family being
    denied access to a National Park due to the sequester.
    Missy & her brother Tad did not get to see an Elk or a Bear!


  97. heysoos
    102 | March 5, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ RIX:
    it’s only a big deal on principle, but makes it important…people dream their whole lives about visiting DC


  98. brookly red
    103 | March 5, 2013 2:44 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Wait until the story comes out about a family being
    denied access to a National Park due to the sequester.
    Missy & her brother Tad did not get to see an Elk or a Bear!

    I fear sooner or later Missy & Tad are gonna get chopped up by one of the illegals Janet & Berry released and there will be Nick to pay


  99. Speranza
    104 | March 5, 2013 2:45 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    it’s only a big deal on principle, but makes it important…people dream their whole lives about visiting DC

    I’ve visited it over a dozen times which is maybe 10 times too many.


  100. coldwarrior
    105 | March 5, 2013 2:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    sorry for the OT but worth reading
    The Great Ammunition Myth
    He says there’s nothing to worry about.
    I’ll think about that.
    back to work…………

    ooops!

    someone did the math!


  101. 106 | March 5, 2013 2:46 pm

    @ heysoos:

    They’ll just have to visit Detroit instead. One crime-ridden hellhole is much like another, anyway…


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    107 | March 5, 2013 2:47 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I fear sooner or later Missy & Tad are gonna get chopped up by one of the illegals Janet & Berry released and there will be Nick to pay

    I find myself wondering whether at least one of the Hispanics being sought in the accident that killed a young Hasidic couple in Williamsburg the other day is not an illegal alien. One is apparently an ex-con who served a 10-year stretch for manslaughter, and was also recently charged with a DUI. The other, unnamed, is being “sought for insurance fraud,” which sounds suspiciously like NPR-speak for “uninsured illegal alien driving.”


  103. heysoos
    108 | March 5, 2013 2:47 pm

    closing the WH exposes a pissy little pos…totally unneccesary, and vindictive


  104. heysoos
    109 | March 5, 2013 2:49 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ RIX:
    it’s only a big deal on principle, but makes it important…people dream their whole lives about visiting DC

    I’ve visited it over a dozen times which is maybe 10 times too many.

    I love DC and the surrounding area, but I’ve also visited whenever I wanted…others are not so fortunate


  105. coldwarrior
    110 | March 5, 2013 2:50 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    closing the WH exposes a pissy little pos…totally unneccesary, and vindictive

    now they dont have to put up with the hoi polloi.


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    111 | March 5, 2013 2:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    closing the WH exposes a pissy little pos…totally unneccesary, and vindictive

    I didn’t want to see Obama’s oval orifice, anyway.


  107. brookly red
    112 | March 5, 2013 2:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I fear sooner or later Missy & Tad are gonna get chopped up by one of the illegals Janet & Berry released and there will be Nick to pay

    I find myself wondering whether at least one of the Hispanics being sought in the accident that killed a young Hasidic couple in Williamsburg the other day is not an illegal alien. One is apparently an ex-con who served a 10-year stretch for manslaughter, and was also recently charged with a DUI. The other, unnamed, is being “sought for insurance fraud,” which sounds suspiciously like NPR-speak for “uninsured illegal alien driving.”

    The ex-con is legal… they are working to link the other to the Tea Party as we speak… see this OFA shit isn’t new it’s the same old shit with new technology.


  108. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | March 5, 2013 2:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    they are working to link the other to the Tea Party as we speak…

    POS was drinking something a hell of a lot stronger than tea…


  109. brookly red
    114 | March 5, 2013 2:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    They’ll just have to visit Detroit instead. One crime-ridden hellhole is much like another, anyway…

    /DC has much better cat-houses.


  110. heysoos
    115 | March 5, 2013 2:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    They’ll just have to visit Detroit instead. One crime-ridden hellhole is much like another, anyway…

    it’s something the GOP should pounce on…flying around the country jerking off with Tiger Woods, but close the WH?…bomb the shit out of BO…people understand this lopsided shit…use it against him…maybe fighting the ideology is more complicated but stuff like this is easy and it’s point blank…steady relentless pressure


  111. buzzsawmonkey
    116 | March 5, 2013 2:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    DC has much better cat-houses.

    There’s a pussy in the Speaker’s office.


  112. coldwarrior
    117 | March 5, 2013 2:54 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    The ex-con is legal… they are working to link the other to the Tea Party as we speak… see this OFA shit isn’t new it’s the same old shit with new technology.

    yer missin it, they will blame it on…the…

    jooooooooooo!

    see, easy.


  113. brookly red
    118 | March 5, 2013 2:55 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    they are working to link the other to the Tea Party as we speak…

    POS was drinking something a hell of a lot stronger than tea…

    I am sitting about 1/4 of a mile from the crash site it is right near a few schools. I am surprised there are no speed bumps but I guess there will be now.


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    119 | March 5, 2013 2:55 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Did you hear about this? A young Hasidic couple was mowed down by a speeding car in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn; both killed, the two perps in the car fled. The mother was pregnant; they tried to save the baby, but it died.


  115. coldwarrior
    120 | March 5, 2013 2:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Did you hear about this? A young Hasidic couple was mowed down by a speeding car in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn; both killed, the two perps in the car fled. The mother was pregnant; they tried to save the baby, but it died.

    reading about it now.

    my first guess would have been sudden jihad syndrome.


  116. brookly red
    121 | March 5, 2013 2:59 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    The ex-con is legal… they are working to link the other to the Tea Party as we speak… see this OFA shit isn’t new it’s the same old shit with new technology.

    yer missin it, they will blame it on…the…

    jooooooooooo!

    see, easy.

    That is what pisses me off. The family issued a statement that it was God’s will and they must accept it… now if the victims had been of an other group they would be screaming racism and suing the city, the cab company, the makers of BMW (good luck with that) etc. etc.


  117. 122 | March 5, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    More likely just drunks. It’s a coincidence that the victims are Jewish.


  118. heysoos
    123 | March 5, 2013 3:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    More likely just drunks. It’s a coincidence that the victims are Jewish.

    I agree


  119. buzzsawmonkey
    124 | March 5, 2013 3:02 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    my first guess would have been sudden jihad syndrome.

    Apparently, as far as is known, the perps were Hispanic. There’s been bad blood between the Hasidic and Hispanic communities in Williamsburg for years.

    Of course, there’s also a disturbing element of Islam that has been making inroads in the Williamsburg Hispanic community; several of the stores on Broadway there are owned/run by Muslims of Hispanic background. If it does turn out that there is a Muslim aspect, however, I fully expect that to be buried in the news reports.


  120. buzzsawmonkey
    125 | March 5, 2013 3:03 pm

    Just on the news: driver of the death car, Julio Acevedo, says he was “escaping gunshots” when he plowed into the livery car carrying the couple.


  121. The Osprey
    126 | March 5, 2013 3:04 pm

    Kirly is going to love this VDH article: Journalists as Ringwraiths


  122. brookly red
    127 | March 5, 2013 3:04 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Did you hear about this? A young Hasidic couple was mowed down by a speeding car in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn; both killed, the two perps in the car fled. The mother was pregnant; they tried to save the baby, but it died.

    reading about it now.

    my first guess would have been sudden jihad syndrome.

    no it was sudden asshole who never should have been released from prison in the first place with a DWI doing 60 plus in “someone else’s” car in a 25 zone syndrome. and the word on the street is there was cocaine found in the vehicle… but that is not confirmed


  123. Tanker
    128 | March 5, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Not asking for, nor do I want a echo chamber, and Roger, message understood!


  124. brookly red
    129 | March 5, 2013 3:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Julio Acevedo,

    well knowing that stretch of road anyone shooting at him would have had to be in an other car and no other car was seen…


  125. buzzsawmonkey
    130 | March 5, 2013 3:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well knowing that stretch of road anyone shooting at him would have had to be in an other car and no other car was seen…

    Why on earth would a previously-convicted felon with a current DUI lie? What possible motivation could he have?
    ////

    Talking about “fleeing gunshots” ties into the current “gun violence” hoo-ha, and provides him in today’s news climate with a plausible basis for trying to “make himself a victim too.”


  126. 131 | March 5, 2013 3:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I call bull shit on Tagg Romney. You do not spend three years preparing to run for the presidency in order to lose it. He ran a bad campaign because the “consulting class” that the Republican Establishment venerates — sucks a big one.

    ^^THIS^^

    Romney spent probably about a hundred MILLION of his own money to run for president and sacrificed a tremendous amount of time, energy and life to do it. To say he didn’t want to win is an insult and I am tired of the anti-Romney crowd braying on about it. If there was someone better than Romney, then where was he (she)? Romney lost because of 3 things: Bad advisors, lack of Republican support and liberal election fraud. He was the best man America had going. Find me a better one that had a snowball’s chance or shut the “F” up.


  127. buzzsawmonkey
    132 | March 5, 2013 3:16 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Not asking for, nor do I want a echo chamber

    How about an eco-chamber, powered by green energy™?


  128. brookly red
    133 | March 5, 2013 3:16 pm

    mean while Janet and Berry plan to release another 5,000 illegals… this is really starting to look like dereliction of duty.


  129. brookly red
    134 | March 5, 2013 3:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Tanker wrote:

    Not asking for, nor do I want a echo chamber

    How about an eco-chamber, powered by green energy™?

    go fart in a jar :)


  130. buzzsawmonkey
    135 | March 5, 2013 3:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    mean while Janet and Berry plan to release another 5,000 illegals…

    I have no objection to their releasing them in their country of origin, and I could be persuaded to accept their being released from a great height…


  131. brookly red
    136 | March 5, 2013 3:19 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    I call bull shit on Tagg Romney. You do not spend three years preparing to run for the presidency in order to lose it. He ran a bad campaign because the “consulting class” that the Republican Establishment venerates — sucks a big one.

    ^^THIS^^

    Romney spent probably about a hundred MILLION of his own money to run for president and sacrificed a tremendous amount of time, energy and life to do it. To say he didn’t want to win is an insult and I am tired of the anti-Romney crowd braying on about it. If there was someone better than Romney, then where was he (she)? Romney lost because of 3 things: Bad advisors, lack of Republican support and liberal election fraud. He was the best man America had going. Find me a better one that had a snowball’s chance or shut the “F” up.

    4 things… he was a Mormon and the religious right stayed home. Before you doubt me consider the percentage of voter turn out


  132. 137 | March 5, 2013 3:19 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    this is really starting to look like dereliction of duty.

    That’s because it is dereliction of duty. The Sequestration cuts the rate at which government grows. They should be able to carry on at the capacity they were at indefinately. Obama just thinks there is political hay to be made making this far worse than it really is. He may overplay his hand, here. We’ll see.


  133. coldwarrior
    138 | March 5, 2013 3:21 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    no it was sudden asshole who never should have been released from prison in the first place with a DWI doing 60 plus in “someone else’s” car in a 25 zone syndrome. and the word on the street is there was cocaine found in the vehicle… but that is not confirmed

    throw the book at ‘em


  134. brookly red
    139 | March 5, 2013 3:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    this is really starting to look like dereliction of duty.

    That’s because it is dereliction of duty. The Sequestration cuts the rate at which government grows. They should be able to carry on at the capacity they were at indefinately. Obama just thinks there is political hay to be made making this far worse than it really is. He may overplay his hand, here. We’ll see.

    if just one of those released commits a crime there will be hell to pay… x5 if the victim is Black or Gay, x10 if Black and Gay.


  135. 140 | March 5, 2013 3:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    he was a Mormon and the religious right stayed home.

    That is simply not true. The Evangelical vote was stronger for Romney than it ever has been for anyone. Catholics, OTOH< voted for Obama, the most anti-Catholic President we’ve ever had. Catholics aren’t who you are generally referring to when you throw out the term “Religious Right” though.


  136. coldwarrior
    141 | March 5, 2013 3:22 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Not asking for, nor do I want a echo chamber, and Roger, message understood!

    dont read too much into it.

    just wanted to reiterate that we dont march in lock step with the gop leadership like some blogs.

    that’s all.


  137. buzzsawmonkey
    142 | March 5, 2013 3:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    go fart in a jar

    GoFart-in-a-Jar™ sounds like a great name for a portable green-energy product to be sold via infomercials!


  138. buzzsawmonkey
    143 | March 5, 2013 3:24 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    we dont march in lock step with the gop leadership like some blogs.

    Does this mean the Lock Step Monster isn’t real after all?


  139. lobo91
    144 | March 5, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    No, it’s not derelection of duty. Dereliction of duty is failing to do one’s job properly. It’s either laziness or incompetence.

    That’s not what we’re seeing here. This is deliberate.


  140. brookly red
    145 | March 5, 2013 3:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    no it was sudden asshole who never should have been released from prison in the first place with a DWI doing 60 plus in “someone else’s” car in a 25 zone syndrome. and the word on the street is there was cocaine found in the vehicle… but that is not confirmed

    throw the book at ‘em

    see that is the problem, this guy shot someone in 1987 and did 8 yrs. 8 yrs for homicide? wtf? THAT is the problem these people did not die in an accident, it was death by liberalism. and if one of these illegals released by obama kills someone the blood is on his hands.


  141. coldwarrior
    146 | March 5, 2013 3:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Does this mean the Lock Step Monster isn’t real after all?

    oh, its real. the mating call is the ‘rah rah hooray for our side’ kind of cheer even when the game is lost and the team is useless.


  142. brookly red
    147 | March 5, 2013 3:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    No, it’s not derelection of duty. Dereliction of duty is failing to do one’s job properly. It’s either laziness or incompetence.

    That’s not what we’re seeing here. This is deliberate.

    well my first thought was treason, but I can’t prove intent.


  143. buzzsawmonkey
    148 | March 5, 2013 3:28 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    oh, its real. the mating call is the ‘rah rah hooray for our side’ kind of cheer even when the game is lost and the team is useless.

    Some people think the Lock Step Monster is really a “Please-please-pleaseosaur.”


  144. brookly red
    149 | March 5, 2013 3:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    go fart in a jar

    GoFart-in-a-Jar™ sounds like a great name for a portable green-energy product to be sold via infomercials!

    you know, you might consider a career in marketing…


  145. lobo91
  146. coldwarrior
    151 | March 5, 2013 3:29 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    can you please tell me what tagg was talking about then?

    honestly, his comments are most disturbing. if not down right stupid. i seriously want to know what was running through his mind.


  147. coldwarrior
    152 | March 5, 2013 3:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    House GOP Obtains ICE Memo Detailing Plans To Release 5,000 Illegal Immigrants Under Guise of Sequester Cuts…
    This is deliberate, and was planned in advance.

    the right needs to to call them on it. get nasty, and let the latins know that they are being used by the dems. be relentless, tailor the message.

    ofa would run with this if it were the other way around. it would be everywhere.


  148. buzzsawmonkey
    153 | March 5, 2013 3:32 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    you know, you might consider a career in marketing…

    GoFart could also be the name for a methane-powered go-kart…


  149. 154 | March 5, 2013 3:33 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Point taken. Obaam is a traitor, really. It really is that simple. He is immune from impeachment, though as is, realistically, any Democrat President in the current political environment. The question is will the Republicans actually take him to task for making the Sequester more than it is? I am not encouraged by Boehner’s current jellyfish imitation.


  150. brookly red
    155 | March 5, 2013 3:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    House GOP Obtains ICE Memo Detailing Plans To Release 5,000 Illegal Immigrants Under Guise of Sequester Cuts…

    This is deliberate, and was planned in advance.

    but what is the crime? extortion? terrorism? this is unprecedented


  151. brookly red
    156 | March 5, 2013 3:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    you know, you might consider a career in marketing…

    GoFart could also be the name for a methane-powered go-kart…

    If you get a gubemint grant for this I will kick you ass.


  152. coldwarrior
    157 | March 5, 2013 3:37 pm

    new thread.


  153. heysoos
    158 | March 5, 2013 3:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    House GOP Obtains ICE Memo Detailing Plans To Release 5,000 Illegal Immigrants Under Guise of Sequester Cuts…
    This is deliberate, and was planned in advance.

    but what is the crime? extortion? terrorism? this is unprecedented

    ever read the Patriot Act?…
    when I say the feds can do whatever they want, it’s a fact


  154. Da_Beerfreak
    159 | March 5, 2013 3:40 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    House GOP Obtains ICE Memo Detailing Plans To Release 5,000 Illegal Immigrants Under Guise of Sequester Cuts…

    This is deliberate, and was planned in advance.

    but what is the crime? extortion? terrorism? this is unprecedented

    1.) At law, an accomplice is a person who actively participates in the commission of a crime, even though they take no part in the actual criminal offense.

    2.) Aiding and abetting is an additional provision in United States criminal law, for situations where it cannot be shown the party personally carried out the criminal offense, but where another person may have carried out the illegal act(s) as an agent of the charged, working together with or under the direction of the charged party, who is an accessory to the crime. Internationally, it is comparable to other laws governing the actions of accessories, including the similar provision in England and Wales under the Accessories and Abettors Act 1861.
    It is derived from the United States Code (U.S.C.), section two of title 18:
    (a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.
    (b) Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal.
    Where the term “principal” refers to any actor who is primarily responsible for a criminal offense.

    And that’s just two.


  155. lobo91
    160 | March 5, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ brookly red:

    but what is the crime? extortion? terrorism? this is unprecedented

    Technically, there isn’t one. They’re in charge, so you can’t claim that they’re trying to overthrow the elected government. And as Obama likes to point out, they have the discretion to choose which cases to prosecute or ignore.

    It’s all part of a massive plan to subvert the Constitution and fundamentally change the nature of the country, but it’s so big that you could never prove it.


  156. Da_Beerfreak
    161 | March 5, 2013 3:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    new thread.

    Thread Killer!! :evil:


  157. 162 | March 5, 2013 3:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    this is really starting to look like dereliction of duty.
    That’s because it is dereliction of duty. The Sequestration cuts the rate at which government grows. They should be able to carry on at the capacity they were at indefinately. Obama just thinks there is political hay to be made making this far worse than it really is. He may overplay his hand, here. We’ll see.

    See, that is what I’ve beend thinking. All this is is a cut in expected growth of the budget, not a cut in the budget from last year. We will still be spending MORE money than we were last year, just not quite as much more. This administration and all of the liberals before are playing a shell game with the citizens. .. and a little more than fifty percent of these same citizens are too stupid to figure it out. I’m afraid this country is screwed.


  158. Da_Beerfreak
    163 | March 5, 2013 3:52 pm

    As long as Folks keep asking the wrong questions they’re going to keep getting useless answers.


  159. Da_Beerfreak
    164 | March 5, 2013 3:58 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    this is really starting to look like dereliction of duty.
    That’s because it is dereliction of duty. The Sequestration cuts the rate at which government grows. They should be able to carry on at the capacity they were at indefinately. Obama just thinks there is political hay to be made making this far worse than it really is. He may overplay his hand, here. We’ll see.

    See, that is what I’ve beend thinking. All this is is a cut in expected growth of the budget, not a cut in the budget from last year. We will still be spending MORE money than we were last year, just not quite as much more. This administration and all of the liberals before are playing a shell game with the citizens. .. and a little more than fifty percent of these same citizens are too stupid to figure it out. I’m afraid this country is screwed.

    If real cuts in spending can not be made, then the collapse is inevitable since there is no way to sustain the status quo.

    This can not possibly end well for anybody…


  160. darkwords
    165 | March 5, 2013 4:18 pm

    I think Romney campaigned aggressively in the primaries. And then in the national election put the good guy gloves back on like McCain did. Someone has a voice at the national level into the GoP mindset that favors Obama. The GoP message is getting a Democratic Party influence from RINO types I believe. And it hamstrings the conservative election.

    I value the RINO’s but we should be able to run negative during parts of the campaign without losing supporters. It’s essential to polarize the left.


  161. darkwords
    166 | March 5, 2013 4:27 pm

    @ 131 father_of_10: Newt would have done as well. lost as well. I was a little shocked by the projections from conservatives compared to the results. We do need to re build and fight fire with fire.

    Romney could have played up his charitable activities which were immense, but he preferred humility. That let Obama take major advantage of him. That is being a good Christian. But the election rolled right over all that as even Christians did not resonate well to that humility.


  162. darkwords
    167 | March 5, 2013 4:30 pm

    @ 125 buzzsawmonkey: Gang members and violent felons with cars. Lets make them all walk. They will all move to a coastal city then.


  163. darkwords
    168 | March 5, 2013 4:36 pm

    @ 76 heysoos: The last election was my election for the GoP to do right for me. I voted the ticket. But i have to see a winning strategy from then now. I don’t.


  164. 169 | March 6, 2013 8:23 pm

    Rodan once said that Augusto Pinochet was the 20th Century’s greatest white hispanic leader. I would call him the 20th Century’s greatest hispanic leader. I have always said that America is so bad that we need our own Pinochet. The people of Chile had enough of the Marxist Allende back then.


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