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Firearms Equality Movement Gaining Momentum: Government has same rights as citizens

by 1389AD ( 73 Comments › )
Filed under Second Amendment at March 8th, 2013 - 8:00 am
Firearms Equality Movement
Firearms Equality Movement

From AmmoLand, this is the honor roll as of February 27, 2012:

By Tred Law

New Jersey – -(Ammoland.com)- The newly emerged Firearms Equality Movement is gaining more steam among manufactures and gun rights supporters alike.

The firearms industry, in reaction to the Governor of New York ramming through the NY SAFE Act which banned AR15 style rifles, has seen multiple manufactures revise their firearms sales polices to restrict LEO and Police Agencies from only buying the same level of firepower as is allowed for the average citizen of their state.

Thereby helping to make the citizens equal to police and law enforcement agencies with in the same state, and, in some part, making rouge politicians accountable for their actions trying to disarm the people.

It is important to note that the Movement is not asking industry to join a “conspiracy” but only to make their own sales policies support the right of the individual to keep and bear the same arms as all other classes of people in their respective states. The Firearms Movement is just that, a movement and not collusion, as some have suggested. In the end each and every company is free to do business as they wish.

The List of Manufactures as complied by NC Gun Blog has continued to grow and at last count (2-27-2013) included the following.

New York Boycott Participants:

  • LaRue Tactical 2-8-13
  • Olympic Arms 2-12-13
  • Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC (Per EFI, policy is several years old)
  • Templar Custom 2-13-13
  • York Arms 2-13-13
  • Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13
  • Bullwater Enterprises 2-16-13
  • West Fork Armory 2-16-13
  • Smith Enterprise 2-17-13
  • Alex Arms 2-17-13
  • Spike’s Tactical 2-18-13
  • Quality Arms Idaho 2-19-13
  • Liberty Suppressors 2-19-13
  • Doublestar Corp 2-19-13 (Includes J&T Distributing & Ace LTD)
  • American Spirit Arms 2-19-13 (complete with a video!)
  • Trident Armory 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)
  • Head Down Products 2-20-13
  • J&G Sales 2-20-13
  • Barrett Firearms 2-20-13
  • Exile Machine 2-20-13
  • Tier One Arms 2-15-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)
  • Bravo Company USA 2-20-13
  • Primary Weapons Systems 2-21-13 (read my blog post on PWS)
  • Crusader Weaponry 2-20-13
  • Top Gun Supply 2-21-13
  • Kiss Tactical 2-21-13
  • Clark Fork Tactical 2-21-13
  • OFA Tactical 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-21-13)
  • One Source Tactical 2-21-13 (Scroll down to shipping restrictions)
  • Templar Tactical Arms 2-12-13 (reported 2-21-13)
  • NEMO Arms 2-21-13 (check out their photo!)
  • Old Grouch’s Military Surplus 1-15-13 (NOT a typo!)
  • Big Horn Armory 2-22-13
  • Midway USA 2-22-13
  • CMMG Inc 2-22-13
  • Rocky Top Tactical 2-22-13
  • Badger Peak 2-22-13
  • Controlled Chaos Arms 2-22-13
  • SRT Arms 2-22-13
  • Norton Firearms 2-22-13
  • Umlaut Industries 2-22-13
  • Predator Intelligence 2-2-13 (Read comments)
  • Citizen Arms 2-23-13 (At the bottom of the page)
  • Evolution Weaponry 2-17-13
  • Chaos Arms 2-23-13
  • Warbirds Custom Guns 2-23-13 (Scroll to the bottom)
  • JBTAC 2-23-13
  • Stoner Arms 2-22-13
  • Ammoclip (Date of policy unknown)
  • 3 Rivers Precision 2-22-13
  • 2A Firearms 2-22-13
  • Lanco Tactical 2-22-13
  • Predator Tactical 2-23-13
  • Arrowhead Shooting Sports 2-23-13
  • Boise Tactical 2-23-13
  • Huntertown Arms 2-23-13
  • Lauer Custom Weaponry 2-22-13 (PDF) (Makers of DuraCoat)
  • 556 Tactical 2-23-13
  • Iron Goat Guns 2-16-13
  • Dead Bang Guns (Date of policy unknown)
  • Southern Appalachian Arms 2-15-13
  • Thunder Beast Arms (2-22-13)
  • Delmarva Shooting Supply 2-23-13
  • OJ’s Gun Shop 2-23-13
  • OCS Guns 2-23-13
  • Progressive Micro Devices (Special case, non gun manufacturer. Read my post)
  • Semper Fi Arms 2-22-13
  • Climags (date of policy unknown. Scroll down to “Why was my order cancelled?”)
  • Southwest Shooting Authority 2-8-13
  • Csspecs Magazines 2-24-13
  • MFIAP 2-25-13
  • Critical Survival 2-24-13
  • DogLeg Arms 2-25-13
  • Victory Defense Consulting 2-25-13
  • GWACS Armory 2-24-13
  • Allegiance Ammunition 2-22-13
  • Red State Tactical 2-28-13
  • Wilson Tactical 2-28-13

As of yet we have not seen the big four manufactures, Glock, Sig Saur, Smith & Wesson and Ruger, that supply the majority of police contracts, make the same policy changes. We understand they are beholden to their stock holders, but I am still hopeful that they will move to support their biggest customer of all, the American people.

I want to let hem know that I will buy all I can from any company that protects my rights, to help make up for any loss of sale they may experience by limiting police sales.

It is great to see manufactures banding together to protect the rights of their customers and hold politicians accountable for their acts disarming the American public.

As this movement evolves I would like to see this become an unsaid blanket policy that applies to all states, especially New York, New Jersey, Maryland, California and anywhere else where honest law abiding citizens need the right to keep and bear arms of equal fire power as the state the live in.

For more info and an easy tools that you can use to write firearms manufactures, encouraging them to make their own policy’s one that will hold the line for you and me, visit:

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73 Responses to “Firearms Equality Movement Gaining Momentum: Government has same rights as citizens”
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  1. MikeA
    1 | March 8, 2013 8:13 am

    Pity I lost all my guns in that boating accident. but if I did own any, it would be a FAL… actually I would own 2. A 21 inch and 16 inch carbine. Just saying… ;)


  2. 2 | March 8, 2013 8:13 am

    Magpul certainly leaving CO, Beretta very vocally threating to leave MD… And Beretta is a MAJOR player; supplier of sidearms to the US, NATO and many other militaries. And Beretta is still headquartered in the same town in Italy where they started over 500 years ago, so they’re not prone to just dash about on a whim.


  3. 3 | March 8, 2013 8:16 am

    Midway, USA, BTW, celebrated getting 1 million customers in a year just last week by sending $ 1 million to the NRA/ILA. Absolutely great folks to deal with, and they’ve held the line on prices. Unfortunately, that means they have little stock, but they are definitely one of my go-to vendors and have been for a couple of years.


  4. 4 | March 8, 2013 8:21 am

    There is no reason for the police to have any weapon that is restricted from civillian onwership, and that goes for fully automatic weapons in addition to so-called “Assault” weapons. A civillian is more likely to be outnumbered in a confrontation than the police. Civillians don’t have radios to call back-up when they get into a situation, such as a home invasion robbery. When seconds count, the police are (at best) minutes away.


  5. MikeA
    5 | March 8, 2013 8:22 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Agree with you. Have worked with Midway for years and they always have great service and prices.


  6. 6 | March 8, 2013 8:28 am

    The equality idea is actually several years old, and was started by Barrett, who told all the numerous law enforcement groups in CA to bite it when CA specifically banned their .50 BMG rifles by name, including voiding their warranties and barring them from any factory service. To top it off, they brought out the same rifles chambered for Barrett .460 to skirt the ban for civilian buyers in CA. If I could afford to, and had any actual use/need for their fine products, I would most certainly patronize them.

    Meanwhile, hoping Beretta doesn’t want to move too far, and just hops south across the Potomac, where they will be welcomed with open arms.


  7. 7 | March 8, 2013 8:30 am

    @ MikeA:

    My last order from them was December. A couple of magazines for the LC9 and some HKS speedloaders for the revolvers.


  8. MikeA
    8 | March 8, 2013 8:34 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Mine was for some ammo in Jan. They had some Federal 5.56 in stock and I got 500 rounds for a good price. No price gouging at all. Of course it went OOS in about 10 seconds but I scored some.


  9. eaglesoars
    9 | March 8, 2013 8:42 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Meanwhile, hoping Beretta doesn’t want to move too far, and just hops south across the Potomac, where they will be welcomed with open arms.

    yep

    good thread 1389AD


  10. 10 | March 8, 2013 8:55 am

    @ MikeA:

    I had been ordering stuff like that from LuckyGunner. but as a small and relativel new (4 years old yesterday) vendor, I suspect they’ve been getting hit by their wholesaler(s). They have some stock, but prices are up.

    Best deals now seem to be Wal-Mart or Gander Mountain (and maybe others) who are holding the line on prices. But you have to ask when the deliveries come in and be there waiting for them to actually get any.


  11. MikeA
    11 | March 8, 2013 9:00 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I have seen that. I check on some boards to snag the on-line deals. ITs how I got the Midway deal on ammo. Since I do have enough put by, I am not worried.


  12. MikeA
    12 | March 8, 2013 9:04 am

    I try to support the vendors who are on this list. What they are doing I fully support. And it gives me an excuse to buy more “stuff”.


  13. 13 | March 8, 2013 9:19 am

    Unfortunately, most on the list seem to be EBR manufacturers/suppliers, and I don’t have an EBR, so I’m not much help.


  14. 14 | March 8, 2013 9:26 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I suppose I could refurnish the Mini-14 to look Tacti-Cool, but I rather like the Fudd-soothing stealth look. I put a GG&G rail topped with a Burris mini-red dot on it, but that’s doesn’t set off alarm bells. The red dot is easier for these old, crappy eyes than the factory ghost ring iron sights.


  15. 15 | March 8, 2013 9:34 am

    I am hoping to soon receive word that I need to be paying more attention to the availability of good old .30-06.

    BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! PING!

    (That’s a hint…)


  16. 16 | March 8, 2013 9:36 am

    Geez -- an official gun thread, and I’m talking to myself. Grr…


  17. MikeA
    17 | March 8, 2013 9:49 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I have used a garand a few times that a buddy owns. nice piece of hardware but my first love has always been the FAL. Love that rifle.


  18. 18 | March 8, 2013 10:01 am

    @ MikeA:

    My dad would have at least gone through basic on the Garand. Since he was in charge of a light machine gun squad, I suspect he would have been issued and shipped out with an M1 carbine, as those guys had a lot of crap to carry just for the M1919. Thankfully, Hiroshima and Nagasaki kept him from being in the first wave assault on the Home Islands, and all he had to do once he got done feeding fish across the Pacific was to occupy China.


  19. 19 | March 8, 2013 10:04 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Meanwhile, hoping Beretta doesn’t want to move too far, and just hops south across the Potomac, where they will be welcomed with open arms.
    yep
    good thread 1389AD

    Thanks!


  20. 20 | March 8, 2013 10:23 am

    Not anywhere near enough traffic on this thread to suit me. Come on, people, this is truly serious stuff! Rights, and that sort of thing, you know. Who’s standing up for them right now. Etc.


  21. Da_Beerfreak
    21 | March 8, 2013 10:34 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Unfortunately, most on the list seem to be EBR manufacturers/suppliers, and I don’t have an EBR, so I’m not much help.

    What is ERB thing?????????????????????????????????


  22. 22 | March 8, 2013 10:36 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Work has been interferring with my valuable posting time. I’ve been in a meeting. This is serious stuff. I don’t expect to see Glock sign onto this. They are, after all, an Austrian firm, not American. But I’d like to see Smith and Wesson and Ruger sign on. That would be big.


  23. 23 | March 8, 2013 10:37 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    EBR = “Eee-vil Black Rifle” = Ar-15 variants. Does come in other colors, though.


  24. 24 | March 8, 2013 10:39 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Armalite DID NOT sign on, and said so officially. Eff them.


  25. 25 | March 8, 2013 10:40 am

    A billionaire Ssteps up to the plate:

    The Outdoor Channel, a leading hunting and fishing-themed television network, announced Thursday that it plans to sell itself to billionaire sports mogul Stan Kroenke’s company, destroying a merger deal with InterMedia Outdoor Holdings, which is owned by major Obama donor and Huffington Post blogger Leo Hindery Jr.’s private equity fund InterMedia Partners.

    Kroenke Sport and Entertainment has purchased the Outdoor Channel for $227 million in an all-cash deal. The Outdoor Channel board considered Kroenke’s bid a “superior proposal” after Kroenke swooped in this week to outbid Hindery.

    Good. We are fighting back.


  26. Da_Beerfreak
    26 | March 8, 2013 10:42 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    EBR = “Eee-vil Black Rifle” = Ar-15 variants. Does come in other colors, though.

    Thanks. Acronyms should be defined, or they are less then useless…


  27. 27 | March 8, 2013 10:43 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I’d like to see LWRC on hat list as well. I think this will affect my purchasing decisions. I wish I could afford to do business with Barrett. I’d like one of their evil .50 cals just because. Unfortunately, I don’t have ten grand just burning a hole in my pocket.


  28. 28 | March 8, 2013 10:44 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    THat one’s years old -- didn’t think it would need defining to anybody frequenting this particular thread. But no harm in asking, I say.


  29. 29 | March 8, 2013 10:46 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Not to mention something like $ 5 every single time you pull the trigger…


  30. 30 | March 8, 2013 10:49 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Yeah, they are coming out with a new multi-barreled sniper system. It is supposed to be chambered in .308, .300 Win Mag, and .338 Lapua, if I’ve heard correctly. Retail price is around $6K. I’d love to buy one, but I just don’t have that kind of money.


  31. Da_Beerfreak
    31 | March 8, 2013 10:52 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    THat one’s years old — didn’t think it would need defining to anybody frequenting this particular thread. But no harm in asking, I say.

    I’ve heard the name ‘evil black rifle’ before. This is the first time seeing EBR used in its place.


  32. taxfreekiller
    32 | March 8, 2013 10:52 am

    Ya, but,,,

    Your dealing with a two party evil money cult , that in fact has our money to use aginst U.S..

    Whats to keep them from building a huge bunch of gun factories and build U.S. Goverment guns and we pay for that and the U.S. Govt. sells to the State and Locals.

    It not like they are on our side.


  33. 33 | March 8, 2013 10:53 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Well, don’t worry about what you would like but can’t afford, I say. Get what you can afford and practice with it. I’m never going to get that bespoke H&H double rifle, either, but I’ll manage. A .22 LR in the hand beats a .50 BMG in the bush every time.


  34. lobo91
    34 | March 8, 2013 10:54 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    EBR = “Eee-vil Black Rifle” = Ar-15 variants. Does come in other colors, though.

    Not to be confused with the evil green rifles carried by toy soldiers, which are extremely dangerous:

    Michigan Elementary School Confiscates “Insensitive” Cupcakes Because They Were Decorated With Toy Soldiers…


  35. Da_Beerfreak
    35 | March 8, 2013 10:55 am

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    Ya, but,,,

    Your dealing with a two party evil money cult , that in fact has our money to use aginst U.S..

    Whats to keep them from building a huge bunch of gun factories and build U.S. Goverment guns and we pay for that and the U.S. Govt. sells to the State and Locals.

    It not like they are on our side.

    Two parties in name only. Both want to take my money and give nothing in return. :evil:


  36. Da_Beerfreak
    36 | March 8, 2013 10:57 am

    @ lobo91:
    I saw that.

    Sending kids to government schools IS child abuse…


  37. 37 | March 8, 2013 10:58 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    THat one’s years old — didn’t think it would need defining to anybody frequenting this particular thread. But no harm in asking, I say.
    I’ve heard the name ‘evil black rifle’ before. This is the first time seeing EBR used in its place.

    I hang around with disreputeable and non-PC people, where it’s common slang. Sorry. But hey, at least now you’ll know next time you see it used, yes? More generically, it applies to anything that spooks the Fudds and The Brady Bunch, so in the broader sense it can also apply to AKs, AR-10s and the like.


  38. taxfreekiller
    38 | March 8, 2013 11:02 am

    duckbillsawedoff12ga


  39. taxfreekiller
    39 | March 8, 2013 11:04 am

    blacksmithtools


  40. 40 | March 8, 2013 11:04 am

    Then, of course, there is the Eee-vil Pink Rifle, which is usually an AR-15 with pink furniture and pink powder-coated metal, often with Hello Kitty stuff on it.


  41. 41 | March 8, 2013 11:06 am

    @ lobo91:

    Hey, at least they are teaching the kid sthe important stuff. Sensitivity is in. Reading, not so much:

    NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — It’s an education bombshell.

    Nearly 80 percent of New York City high school graduates need to relearn basic skills before they can enter the City University’s community college system.

    The number of kids behind the 8-ball is the highest in years, CBS 2′s Marcia Kramer reported Thursday.

    When they graduated from city high schools, students in a special remedial program at the Borough of Manhattan Community College couldn’t make the grade.

    They had to re-learn basic skills — reading, writing and math — first before they could begin college courses.

    They can teach the kids queer theory, but they can’t teach them how to read.


  42. Da_Beerfreak
    42 | March 8, 2013 11:06 am

    @ Mike C.:
    Hello Kitty is the stuff liberal nightmare’s are made of… :twisted:


  43. Da_Beerfreak
    43 | March 8, 2013 11:11 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Hey, at least they are teaching the kid sthe important stuff. Sensitivity is in. Reading, not so much:

    NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — It’s an education bombshell.

    Nearly 80 percent of New York City high school graduates need to relearn basic skills before they can enter the City University’s community college system.

    The number of kids behind the 8-ball is the highest in years, CBS 2′s Marcia Kramer reported Thursday.

    When they graduated from city high schools, students in a special remedial program at the Borough of Manhattan Community College couldn’t make the grade.

    They had to re-learn basic skills — reading, writing and math — first before they could begin college courses.

    They can teach the kids queer theory, but they can’t teach them how to read.

    The system has too much invested to change now dontcha know.
    Much more important to teach kids to fear guns and to hate gun owners then that old fashion three Rs shit…


  44. 44 | March 8, 2013 11:11 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=hello+kitty+rifle&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=1Aw6UaeOG4v68QSY3YG4CQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1115&bih=505

    I really like the Hello Kitty S&W .500 magnum revolver (several rows down, on the left)! Nothing says “You’re about to have a very bad day” like an S&W .500 magnum!


  45. citizen_q
    45 | March 8, 2013 11:13 am

    @ lobo91:
    I’ve been thinking lately that this type of draconian behaviour of school administrations is how liberal want society at large to work.


  46. 46 | March 8, 2013 11:15 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Of course it is. They want to get kids used to totalitarians systems in schools, and then they want to carry it out to the rest of society. It is like boiling a frog. If I had kids, they’d never darken the door of a public school. I’d home school or private school or something. It really is abuse to put your kid in a government school.


  47. lobo91
    47 | March 8, 2013 11:17 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Same here


  48. citizen_q
    48 | March 8, 2013 11:17 am

    @ Mike C.:
    My safe would look pretty empty without it’s EBRs.

    Oh, wait, it is empty. I forgot. In a fit liberal conscience I turned them all in to one of those no questions asked gun buy-backs. Got a handful of gift certificates to my local K-mart fer ‘em.


  49. Da_Beerfreak
    49 | March 8, 2013 11:19 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=hello+kitty+rifle&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=1Aw6UaeOG4v68QSY3YG4CQ&sqi=2&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1115&bih=505

    I really like the Hello Kitty S&W .500 magnum revolver (several rows down, on the left)! Nothing says “You’re about to have a very bad day” like an S&W .500 magnum!

    I kind of like that ‘Hello Kitty’ chainsaw; could use something like that to redefine the meaning of ‘Code Pink’. :twisted:


  50. citizen_q
    50 | March 8, 2013 11:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Call me Captain Obvious!

    :-)


  51. Da_Beerfreak
    51 | March 8, 2013 11:20 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I’ve been thinking lately that this type of draconian behaviour of school administrations is how liberal want society at large to work.

    They’re teaching kids how to live in a police state.


  52. The Osprey
    52 | March 8, 2013 11:25 am

    Tingles is worried Dick Cheney is going to kill Jane Fonda with a drone.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/07/tingles-worried-a-right-wing-politician-could-kill-jane-fonda-using-a-drone/


  53. RIX
    53 | March 8, 2013 11:28 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    There is an ironic twist . The CBS New York aryicle about lack of
    literacy


  54. RIX
    54 | March 8, 2013 11:29 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    There is an ironic twist . The CBS New York aryicle about lack of
    literacy

    Had seven spelling errors.
    (I posted too soon up top.


  55. lobo91
    55 | March 8, 2013 11:30 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    There is an ironic twist . The CBS New York aryicle about lack of
    literacy

    That was one of the most pathetic pieces of writing I’ve seen in awhile.

    I guess they don’t have editors.


  56. Da_Beerfreak
    56 | March 8, 2013 11:30 am

    We don’t need no stinkin’ literacy, we all watch TV…


  57. 57 | March 8, 2013 11:31 am

    @ RIX:

    Layers of editors and fact checkers…


  58. lobo91
    58 | March 8, 2013 11:33 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    We don’t need no stinkin’ literacy, we all watch TV…

    And use touch screen computers.


  59. lobo91
    59 | March 8, 2013 11:38 am

    Don’t need to teach math, either.

    If we did, people would catch on to the government’s lies about the economy.

    The White House is celebrating the latest jobs report, which shows unemployment going down to 7.7%.

    What they didn’t mention:

    Another 296,000 Americans Drop Out Of Labor Force In February…


  60. Da_Beerfreak
    60 | March 8, 2013 11:42 am

    New Study Finds Firearms Laws Do Nothing To Prevent Homicides

    That’s the headline you should be seeing, but won’t. Instead, you will see headlines like this one, on CNN: “Study links gun laws and lower gun mortality.” Or this one, from the Chicago Tribune: “States with strict gun laws found to have fewer shooting deaths.”

    The study they are talking about was conducted by Dr. Eric Fleegler of Boston and published in JAMA Internal Medicine. You can read it here. Dr. Fleegler is an anti-gun activist who reportedly has signed a petition calling on the federal government to enact stricter gun control measures. His study, one surmises, was timed to try to influence the current Congressional debate over gun control. But what does it actually show? …


  61. lobo91
    61 | March 8, 2013 11:47 am

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    That “study” looks like something you’d see at a middle school science fair.

    But it was done by an MD, and published in a prestigious medical journal, so people will take it seriously.


  62. Da_Beerfreak
    62 | March 8, 2013 11:51 am

    Woman Stops Grizzly Attack With .25 Cal Pistol

    This is a story of self control and marksmanship with an itsy bitsy shooter by a woman against a fierce predator. What is the smallest caliber you trust to protect yourself?

    Try the Beretta Jetfire!

    “While hiking in Alberta Canada with my boy- friend we were surprised by a huge grizzly bear charging us from out of nowhere.

    She must have been protecting her cubs because she was extremely aggressive. If I hadn’t had my Beretta Jetfire with me I wouldn’t be here today!

    Just one shot to my boyfriend’s knee cap was all it took; the bear got him and I was able to escape by just walking away at a brisk pace.

    It’s one of the best pistols in my collection!”


  63. 63 | March 8, 2013 11:51 am

    @ lobo91:

    As we’ve seen in the Global Warming debate, “peer reviewed” studies are bullshit. They get away with all kinds of shit when they are being “reviewed” by their peers. It is very much a you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours environment.


  64. Da_Beerfreak
    64 | March 8, 2013 11:53 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    That “study” looks like something you’d see at a middle school science fair.

    But it was done by an MD, and published in a prestigious medical journal, so people will take it seriously.

    The appeal to the higher authority fallacy.


  65. Da_Beerfreak
    65 | March 8, 2013 11:57 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Now if someone would toss the whole useless bunch of them off the end of a pier…


  66. lobo91
    66 | March 8, 2013 12:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    As we’ve seen in the Global Warming debate, “peer reviewed” studies are bullshit. They get away with all kinds of shit when they are being “reviewed” by their peers. It is very much a you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours environment.

    You should be suspicious any time you see a gun control study published in a medical journal. Not only is it an appeal to authority, it’s also a clue that the study is crap and was rejected by journals where it actually belongs.

    The idea of peer review is to have other people who actually have expertise in the field look at it and try to find flaws in the methodology. MDs reviewing a study like this is pointless.


  67. RIX
    67 | March 8, 2013 12:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    There is an ironic twist . The CBS New York aryicle about lack of
    literacy

    That was one of the most pathetic pieces of writing I’ve seen in awhile.

    I guess they don’t have editors.

    Hmm, I should learn how to spell article.


  68. RIX
    68 | March 8, 2013 12:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Layers of editors and fact checkers…

    Even spell check would have done a better job


  69. RIX
    69 | March 8, 2013 12:23 pm

    Rev. Jesse Jackson will attend the state funeral for Hugo Chavez in Caracas on Friday. Fox News notes that Jackson “was presented with the Liberator’s Award by Chavez in 2005, and spoke to the Venezuelan Parliament as part of the ceremony.”

    He must have some company there targeted for extortion.


  70. 70 | March 8, 2013 12:23 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Actually, there was a most excellent article published in JAMA back in 2000 regarding the effects of enacting the “Brady Bill.” The Brady bill only affected about roughly half the states, because the other half already had equal or tougher background check requirements in place. This made for an optimal experiment to judge the effects of implementing the Brady bill. Results? No statistical difference going forward. In other words, gun deaths DID NOT decrease in states where the bill had just taken effect v states where it was already de facto in effect. Oops.


  71. lobo91
    71 | March 8, 2013 12:38 pm

    Using statewide statistics for crime studies is misleading, anyway. On a statewide basis, California’s crime rate is fairly low. That’s because the majority of the crimes in the state are committed in one or two counties. The same is true in many states.

    I noticed about a decade ago that the crime rates reported by the FBI for DC had gone down significantly. When I looked into the figures, I saw why. They changed the reporting area to include the 7 surrounding counties, which all have very low crime rates, as part of the DC metro area.


  72. 72 | March 8, 2013 1:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It gets worse.


  73. RIX
    73 | March 8, 2013 1:35 pm

    Rand Paul filibuster energizes Tea Party against GOP establishment

    By Susan Ferrechio, Chief Congressional Correspondent -- The Washington Examiner

    Sen. Rand Paul’s 13-hour filibuster on the Senate floor has rallied the fledgling Tea Party movement from a months-long slump and highlighted the schism between those brassy conservative newcomers and their Republican Party elders.

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/rand-paul/2013/03/08/rand-paul-filibuster-energizes-tea-party-against-gop-establishment#ixzz2MyTe6I8M

    This could be the start of the battle for the Party.
    McCain is really looking over. He abhors water boarding, but
    is fine with droning Americans on American soil.
    Time for a change.


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