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Guest Blogger: AZ Old Dog
A discussion occurred on the last BlogMocRadio about Data Mining, what is it and how is it used.
Let me start with the side that my Paycheck Continuation Program (PCP) is involved with on a daily basis, Just In Time Inventory or JITI. This is Data Mining at its’ finest!
Ever walked into almost any commercial enterprise and seen employees running around with hand held Bar Code Scanners, ever had you purchase rang up by passing over or under a scanner and then paid for said purchase with a Credit or Debit Card! Answer yes to any of those and you have been data mined! Mind you that most US commercial enterprises (Notable exceptions for Google, Microshaft and anything associated with GE) use this data to tailor what they carry in a given region, when and how much they order and what demographics (remember the cards) are buying their goods.
Each store involved has what most call an In Store Processor (ISP). Now the ISP could be called an Idiot Savant of computers as it includes a full Commercial Transactions Node (think ATM at your Bank) and a continuous communications node to wherever the company’s Master Inventory Control Point (MICP) is. I know where most of them are but have this little thing called Confidentiality Agreements (CA) in place here.
All decisions with the (sometimes) exception of Local Hiring and Firing are made at the MICP. The individual stores do what they are told! Ever walked into a chain store and found something on sale, unadvertised over night? That item is not selling well in your region and the MICP projects a need for that shelf space! Better to sell it at reduced price or even a small loss compared to having to dispose of it or ship it back! Many chains have associated chains where the High Dollar but popular items that are fixing to go “Out of Style” are cross-shipped to and sold as Discount! Don’t ask me to name names, see CA above.
All of these methods as well as regional and demographic patterns are used to determine what to purchase, when to purchase, when to ship and get it to the store just as it will sell! Important here also is how much an individual store can be expected to sell!
This Boys and Girls is how beneficial Commercial Data Mining works. Now let us translate this to the Political Realm!
First you need a Sugar Daddy to buy you a Master Control Point (MCP) and all the Internet bandwidth you need. Enter George Soros and his endless bag of money in cooperation with an outfit not legally associated with a Political Party, let’s call it Organizing for America (OFA) just as something to use OK?
Now your MCP does not need a huge investment (Hell, I have four machines in my house that could host it) mostly a good sized Server Grade machine and lots of Network Storage (NS). NS is desired as we are going to store and transmit lots of data and NS can be expanded as needed cheaply and with a minimum of fuss! What it really must have is damn good data management software and a rock solid communications link! Who are we going to talk to?
How about the community leaders in every local group who is going to agree with what we want to do. Here is where legally a Political party can become involved as they are just one little communications node in our dispersed network. What do these nodes need to function? A cheap piece of secure communications software, that’s it. With a computer that they probably already have and the cheap ass software they are now a functional node in our huge data mining operation!
Next we send from the MCP what information we want like say names and voting patterns! We could also ask for anything any prominent person has ever done stupid. Or even better how about anything that person has ever said or done that could be twisted out of context to make them LOOK stupid or evil.
Next set of marching orders from the MCP is “What to Say and When!” Thus at say 1:00 PM all nodes start saying the exact same thing at the exact same time! Who the hell cares if it is true or accurate!
What then occurs in large portions of our modern society is called Information Waterfall. Many, many people will hear it and the assumption becomes that because everyone and everybody is saying the same thing “It Must Be True!”
This is the danger of the Distributed Network more so that Inbound Data Mining, the phenomenon of Outbound Data Mining (ODM)!
ODM is the weapon that OFA is trying to use! Any piece of dirt or innuendo that can be found or developed against a political enemy is brought in processed and distributed to all the nodes in a matter of minutes and no one on our side has the damn brains to start using this power!
The problem with this model is that much of the control of information and efforts is shifted away from the personalities running the operation to the troops running the nodes. On the Progressive left that is no problem as they are united in thought and deed! Not so on the Right!
Neocons, Socons, Fiscons, PaulBots and just plain “Do It My Way” country club Republicans divide the Right better than Odumbbutt ever could. Each and everyone of these groups that launches and kind of effort wants to Keep Control!
If only we could get together and find the points we agree on build that into our MCP software as Priority’s and build our own Bi-Directional Data Mining effort because until we do we will always be one step behind OFA!
-AZOlddog
Tags: AZOlddog, Data Mining, OFA
From your lips to the RNC’s ears, OldDog.
Good post AZ Old Dog!
It is amazing how many people believe things just because they have heard it all over the place. With information at the touch of your finger-tips why aren’t they seeing if it is true? Just a simple spot check and you will know whether it’s the truth of fiction that is being spread around.
@ Lily:
We had someone post a story that turned out to be satire this morning on the thread. It took about 15 minutes before someone had debunked it. The information is there, but the low info voters don’t want to access it. That is too much like work. Worse, it might stimulate their minds to think, and they try to avoid that at all costs.
Lily wrote:
Because the people swayed by this tactic are too damn lazy to think!
oooh!
ive been waiting for this article…gotta read it when i get back tho.
gotta go to the lumber yard.
Iron Fist wrote:
Yeah I saw that this morning…I don’t think it is all lazy. I think they agree with the wrong information too so hence why do quick check to see if it is the truth? I also think they just believe what is being fed to them…those would certainly belong in the low info voters.. the leftists want to believe the lies.
AZOlddog wrote:
I agree some are too damn lazy but I also think some are too damn dumb to question it too!
This article is great. This is why I come here. Thank you Dog + Blogmocracy editors.
I’ve come across both…too lazy and too willing to believe the lies…of the two I’d say too damn willing to believe the lies has the heavier number in it. Even if you actually show them the facts, the truth and expose the lie. They believe it for a moment then rubber-band back to how they believed before you exposed the lie. Not really sure how you reach these types of people other than they are really going to have to feel it too instead of just hear it and believe the lies.
Iron Fist wrote:
There were 2 reasons people believed it. 1) they wanted to and 2) people are apparently unaware that the site it was posted on, Daily Currant, is a satire site.
AZ Old Dog, great post. One thing I’d like to point out: Keeping the data up to date is a HUGE job and it’s not cheap. In terms of free but huge, trying keeping the USPS’ zip code data base in sync. Assuming USPS manages to get it to you on a timely basis. PRIZM data is expensive.
Then would you like to starting getting into birth/death records?
@ Lily:
They believe what they want to believe. That is why we’ll have a hard time cracking their votes. They want to beleve the Left. The Left say what they want to hear. The Republicans can’t simply start telling the same lies. Number one, they’ll lose the voter base that they currently have. No, to crack the low info voters, they have to crack the low info part. How many of these kids believe Stalin was a hero? That is the level of stupid that our public school system is turning out. Of course they don’t question the teacher. 12 years of school (plus college for many) have taught them to never question the teacher. And for their purposes, Jon Stewart is the teacher. They don’t question him any more than you’d question the words of the Bible.
Off Topic but On Topic too….
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/11/ofa-donors-to-shell-out-50000-to-hear-chicago-jesus-speak/
eaglesoars wrote:
It seemed too good to check, at leasst for Boston.com. That is what is amazing. We are constantly bombarded with how superior the Media is because of their layers of fact checkers and editors, but they continually get things like this wrong. Not to mention how long someone like Jason Blair got away with it. The thing is that you can trust the info on blogs at least as much as you can what is in your local paper. Probably more. When someone gets it wrong on a blog, people who know better notify them, and they can retract it in almost real time. Once your local fishwrap has been printed, it is out there for however many weeks or months until they get around toprinting a retraction (which is never as big and sensational as the headline was).
Kwame Kilpatrick is guilty:
This is a surprise. Not that he was guilty. The evidence was pretty incontrovertable, bu tthat a jury found him guilty. I am surprised that he didn’t get a pass. No doubt that they will now be derrided as a bunch of racists.
Iron Fist wrote:
Yeah but the innernut is forever. Which this woman is going to forever regret. She defines low info voter -- and she thinks she’s brilliant.
It’s hilarious.
What Do You Think about Obama Pardoning the Sequester and Sending It to Portugal?
I’m so grateful because Portugal should be protected. It has a constitution and deserves to be protected at all costs and that’s what our president is for
@ eaglesoars:
Most DM operations are huge undertakings until you consider the number of nodes inputing / updating data. That is the whole idea of the distributed information systems that DM operations are!
What is a daunting task to one person or small organization becomes nothing as the node count increases to where each has minimal work.
Iron Fist wrote:
I’m not. They threw Monica Conyers’ ass in jail. She’s out now on house arrets.
@ Iron Fist:
You are right they want to believe it. But I am seeing this in older people hardcore democrats. With the younger people..they don’t want to hear it..they are the lazy ones. Both nuts are hard to crack…both believe everything they hear…whether it is lies or not. Both do not check on if they are hearing the truth or not. Plus if you try to engage either group one will get hostile, the other either tunes you out and gets hostile..or simply tunes you out. I don’t know how you reach these two groups. Not to mention you bring up a huge problem our schools…okay who was taught about Tesla? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla
Most people were taught only about Edison…what about the war crimes the Japanese people committed during WWII? On a thread a week or so ago …there were a few people who didn’t know this. No, let’s teach our children about two mommies and two daddies…or how to be PC and crap like that. There is a lot of history that you can make come to life by just being interesting. Not to mention a lot of what is taught is slanted too. It shouldn’t be. Just the facts are good enough. We are now hating ourselves on Thanksgiving for elminating the Indians. The mis-information that is being fed to our children is mind-boggling. Not to mention a lot of the teachers are not impartial. I understand they are human too and it is hard to walk that fine line without some of their own opinions slipping through..but one needs to recognize that in ones self.
AZOlddog wrote:
That’s true. I liken it to switches and routers. Individually no biggie and the more traffic, just add more.
But the WHOLE picture still has to be managed.
@ eaglesoars:
Teh Stoopid is strong in that one! The problem is, her vote counts as much as yours or mine, and there are a lot of people like her out there. Obama spoke to those people in a language they could understand. It didn’t matter that most everything he said was lies. They weren’t going to fact-check the President of the United States, and the complicit MSM guaranteed that Obama’d be able to keep up the charade until after he was re-elected. Even now they promote the myth that the economy is just fine, and that we have to just get used to a higher unemployment level (while still importing people from Somolia to do jobs “Americans won’t do”). I don’ tknow what the solution is. The next Democrat that comes along is going to emulate Obama on this. Whether or not he’ll be able to motivate the slacker vote to actually make it to the polls is the question.
eaglesoars wrote:
Okay this just proves the saying,
“It is better for people to think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
I have made mistakes indeedy I have..but I prefer to try and make them as private as possible. Have I posted something stupid on this blog…oh gosh yes…but not so stupid (I hope) that when people see the nic Lily they roll their eye’s and go “Damn thread killer!”
@ eaglesoars:
Quite true! That is why the software and priority tables in the MCP have to be Absolute Worst Case tested at least three or for times before any attempt to deploy occurs (this is where the Romney ORCA fell on it’s face!). Our running gag is that we give them the code and sell them the validation testing!
tfk new name for Obama.
“Gypsie-In-Chief”
Any one think this traveler will fix the holes in our roofs or borders?
Another example of L.I.V.-ness:
I was at Cracked.com the other day. Cracked had an article about the NSFW stuff in certain beloved books in the literary canon, from Canterbury Tales to, er, Where’s Waldo. The diary of Anne Frank was brought up -- the actual diary, not the text for kids which her dad cleaned up and published.
Someone piped in that Sarah Palin had tried to ban the diary, in whatever version, from school libraries. That post got four updings and no downdings at the time I saw it.
I googled and quickly found that Snopes (also not a Right site) had rated it bullshit.
But the Cracked.com’s hipster audience desperately wanted to believe that Sarah Palin is a book-banner and possible anti-Semite. “She’s conservative! They’re all like that deep down!”, they think.
@ Lily:
Our public “education” system is ruining this country. Did you see the story I linked to the other day about illiteracy coming out of New Yorks “finest” public schools? Something like 80% of the graduates that go on to college require remediation. That of the College bound kids. If they are coming out of school illiterate, you can imagine what the illiteracy rate is among the kids that aren’t planning to go to college. But in New York they can’t fire teachers for much of anything. It’s a lovely racket for those that just want to coast through life, as so many of these “teachers” do. Think of the values system that these people are putting on display for the kids every day. Lovely.
@ Iron Fist:
Dear heavens the stupid was really strong with that whole election! I mean Benghazi so close to the election and obama still gets elected???
We not only have a media that is basically nothing but propaganda but we have some really stupid people out there …can’t just look away from it..we have a stupid problem going on. Big Time!
taxfreekiller wrote:
Nope but he will pocket the money.
Iron Fist wrote:
The “rubber room” especially was a ticket to easy street. It sounded like all you had to do was to buy some ghey pr0n, get publicly seen reading it at the gym and (important!) call in the union.
Life in blue-model cities is like South Park too much.
Six months & still no answers.
Heavily redacted documents & it’s pulling teeth to
get then cleaned up & the survivors are still under
wraps.
This is the ultimate Imperial Presidency.
@ Lily:
You’ve got to feel sorry for Romney in a way. All his consultants told him that the unemployment number was going to kill Obama, and he believed them. Then when the FedGov pulled some jiggary-pokery with the numbers to get the unemployment “below” the magic number (it just required wiping people off the books that had run out of benefits If you aren’t looking for a job, you aren’t “unemployed”), he didn’t know how to respond. Never mind that the real unemployment number was over 10%. People believed what they wanted to believe. We’re in a recovery, damnit, no matter what the numbers show! And lo, the low info voters believes, and they turned out for the Black Jesus® and a miricle happened. Obama was re-elected with stats as bad as Roosevelt’s during the Great Depression.
@ Zimriel:
Yeah, if teachers were judged on what they produce, most of them would be out of a job. I regret the time I wasted in Public School. I should have done a GED when I was 13 and gone on to college. Oh, well. Life goes on.
Iron Fist wrote:
This is indeed a teacher problem and trust me the kids notice. My youngest son who has been out of High School for some time. Rebelled at the school for not teaching him!!! He said his math teacher tells them to work through pages 15 to 20 and then she would get on the computer and play games. His English teacher would send him to the office everyday because he didn’t have his book..he would have his book. He was learning NOTHING. I am not going to claim he was an angel I threw him into military school (worked big time). I can only imagine what it is now because this was around 2002 or 2003. You cannot imagine how much these teachers are NOT TEACHING!!! Remember the boy who filmed how biased his teacher was? Trust me our kids are rebelling at not being taught!!! I can only imagine what I have heard is only the tip of the ice berg.
Lily wrote:
not to mention the fools who confiscate toaster pastry chewed into the shape of a gun
This is some good news;
Sharpton and Jackson, having stimulate the Obama Voters, will likely remain silent now, even if the case against Zimmerman is dismissed. The charges against Zimmerman are purely political. He’d have never been charged if Martin weren’t black.
RIX wrote:
Obama has his fingers all over this…oh he can blame Hillary or whoever he wants but they were only doing his bidding. But shame on them for not exposing this fraud of a president and exposing his lies.
@ eaglesoars:
One of the things an education is supposed to teach is critical thinking skills. Something theser administrators clearly lack themselves. I am certain that the kids notice, just as they notice when the athletes are allowed to beat the honor students up.
Iron Fist wrote:
When I listened to Romney speak it came through how much he loved his country, how much of a good man he is. It really did. He did put up a fight. But we have to face the fact that it was obama he was running against…he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. All obama would do is put out some more lies and rig the numbers and the clouds would open…people believed him. I am not going to blame Romney..I am going to blame the people who didn’t hold the MSM feets to the fire and not address the lies they were spewing out daily..they were honestly just another wing of obama’s re-election campaign…there were very few people at obama’s rallies..no matter obama went totally negative and the media went on and on about how negative Romney was running his campaign….to be honest I have never seen anything like it. Rigged from beginning to end it seemed.
I think the problem has gone beyond the eductaion industry…
Iron Fist wrote:
When I was in High School there were a couple of bad teachers for sure but the system wasn’t as corrupted as it is today and I actually learned things..hey I could read and write, do my own taxes…actually get a job. Oh and I could also do a budget too. Didn’t mean my budget right out of high school was good. At least I could have a budget and keep it in the black. Plus people skills I learned too. I don’t regret High School. But I’m a little bit older than you.
@ AZOlddog:
Great Post!
@ lobo91:
The Education Industry led to this.
Zimriel wrote:
Thank you very much!
Well knock me over with a feather
Hermann Goering’s brother may be recognised for saving Jews during Holocaust
eaglesoars wrote:
No kidding! Good grief is all I can say about that. Boys will be boys…Teachers now days come from the bottom of the barrel if this is what they are concerned with.
lobo91 wrote:
My understanding is that this award does not carry the “V” for valour. It’s just a politcally correct ‘atta boy’ that any connected punk can get.
!
You nailed it right there! It does not help we have a Corrupt Consultant Class either that refuses to let new players come to the table.
@ Lily:
The majority of public school teachers today do come from the bottom of the barrel educationally.
There’s a reason that education majors are segregated into their own classes in college. It’s to keep the other students from seeing how dumb they are, and how worthless their program is.
@ eaglesoars:
This does not shock me. Goering himself was personally not a Jew Hater. he went along with it for political reasons. This does not absolve him, but his brother’s actions do not shock me.
Iron Fist wrote:
Well, to a point. But I think the root of the problem is that some of these people are child abusers who became teachers for access to children they could torment w/impunity
@ eaglesoars:
The Bronze Star is frequently awarded as an end-of-tour award to senior officers and NCOs serving in a combat zone. It can also be awarded for a particular achievement during the tour, which appears to have been the case here.
I really can’t see it, though. He should have received an Air Force Commendation Medal, not a Bronze Star (which he probably would have gotten at the end of his tour anyway).
lobo91 wrote:
I do believe so. This is dangerous. But Christians are pushing back if some aren’t. A friend gave me this book to read…haven’t read it yet but I can only imagine….
http://www.amazon.com/They-Fired-First-Shot-2012/dp/1878909266/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1363024783&sr=1-1&keywords=they+fired+the+first+shot+2012
@ eaglesoars:
Truth is stranger than fiction now isn’t it?
The OFA needs a shit load of disinformation down loaded to them for free.
lobo91 wrote:
I’m no expert on military commendations/awards. I just saw that and emailed one of our active duty neighbors.
@ eaglesoars:
It was too high an award for what he did.
Of course, the Air Force has long been award-happy.
@ eaglesoars:
It wouldn’t surprise me. I had a few good teachers in my school career, but most were pretty bottom of the barrel. Or, I say that, but I guess compared o what they have in New York City they were pretty good. Of course, I knew how to read before I went to school. I read voraciously all through my school career. I probably got more out of reading a book than I would have the class.
taxfreekiller wrote:
Bingo! That is one of the flaws in OFA. A concerted disinformation campaign can throw them off.
lobo91 wrote:
It is apparent how dumb they are…I mean calling cops on 7 year olds? They can’t even speak proper English…oh but we need to pay them more money to do an even worse job! When I was in school the bad teacher was the exception to the rule…now the good teacher is the exception to the rule.
Through-out K-12 I did encounter a couple of bad teachers…but by no means all of them. Most were good teachers.
@ Lily:
Becoming a teacher today is basically the easiest way to get into a “profession” that has guaranteed job security and a government pension.
@ Iron Fist:
You have no idea, its worse than you think it is. I do not wish NYC Public Schools on anyone.
@ lobo91:
Its just a paycheck for many.
Iron Fist wrote:
Now I can honestly say this did not happen when I was in High School. I am sure there were some who were bullied (never saw it happened) but all they had to do is go to the principal and it would be ended before the next day. Back when I went to school you didn’t want the school to call your parents..because one…you are in trouble big time…parents didn’t blame the school. You got in trouble. So not only were in trouble with parents but also at school. Thankfully I never had this problem.
lobo91 wrote:
the damned professional officer corps neeeds to be destroyed and rebuilt. these turds are no longer leaders of men, they are bureaucrats protecting their sorry assed jobs.
ltc west gets the boot for being a hero, now this.
lobo91 wrote:
Oh I can believe it. I had two sons go through the school system 4 years apart…and between the 4 years a lot changed. Everything was changing rather quickly. I can only imagine like I said what it is like now.
Rodan wrote:
I guess living in the South and in a small town had it’s perks. The school system was as horrible as people are saying it was …now once my kids got into High School I started to see changes and they weren’t good especially with my youngest son.
@ Lily:
While Conservatives were ranting and railing about Abortion, the Progressives were infiltrating schools. Silence and infiltration is the best way to enact change. The Right loves to scream, the Left loves to plot.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2013/03/11/networks-take-bite-out-mac-and-cheese
On how many fronts can we fight this war? What most fail to realize is that the libs are fighting against the economy and the people of this country on over a hundred fronts at a time. At best conservatives are reactionary, reacting to whatever issue is pushed to the forefront.
@ Lily:
One of the reasons things are happening the way they are is because “anti-bullying” pushes in schools are not meant to protect the kids who are being bullied normally, it is a set of rules established to allow LGBT kids to be provided with an entire set of special rules that give them a protected status beyond that of other children.
@ coldwarrior:
The first time I was in the desert a high ranking NCO was involved in a rescue along with a couple of airmen. When the war ended he was awarded a Silver Star, as was all the other high ranking NCO’s in our unit. None of which were there except him. The airmen? They got squat.
Lily wrote:
I’m talking High School here..not middle school or elementary…most certainly there was bullying in middle and elementary. By the time High School came around I didn’t see it like I did in the lower grades.
Rodan wrote:
i’ll second that.
well done
@ Lily:
NYC Public Schools was a caste system. Certain students were treated better than others. It was a nightmare to deal with.
Rodan wrote:
Oh I don’t doubt you….at all. I’m just glad I don’t have any kids in the school system anymore. Been awhile too. But I will have at least two grandchildren….we have offered up private school for them..but they are just babies right now.
Rodan wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble. All schools esp high schools are like that.
There are protected people in all schools, the children of the rich and politically connected are protected from harm and criticism and run wild over everyone else. Probably not coincidentally most of them are also the athletes and school government.
Mars wrote:
meh…the airmen were just doinf thie jobs. the senior NCO’s were the real heros! they led!
/
@ Mars:
It was a nightmare.
@ Lily:
Catholic School is the best bet.
@ Mars:
As far as the Mac and Cheese…good grief! Really? An outdated story is picked up …makes me only hungry for some Mac and Cheese….yes a guilty pleasure!
Oh I know the new anti-bully laws are slanted towards that…it’s a shame how they handle it now days. Back when I was in school it was taken care of by punishment at school and a phone call to the parents who also gave out their punishment. The bigger problem probably was getting the bullied student to go to the office or tell a parent.
@ coldwarrior:
This is an example of how Hot Air is a propaganda blog.
Report: Syria now using “Popular Committees,” a.k.a. militias, to carry out mass killings
Hot Air of never has a headline about al-Qaeda in Syria and their attrocities. This is why I have no respect for that blog or other RNC Blogs. They are liars and propagandists.
http://www.amazon.com/Caliphate-ebook/dp/B00ARPJDLA/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1363026882&sr=1-1&keywords=tom+kratman
http://www.amazon.com/Desert-Called-Peace-Carrera-ebook/dp/B00B5HJOFY/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1363026882&sr=1-4&keywords=tom+kratman
In other news, you can get these two INCREDIBLE books by Tom Kratman (he used to post on counter jihad threads back when the swamp had some sanity),free in ebook format.
I’ve read Caliphate and part of Desert, and both are great. Caliphate is a pretty intense look at a future where the Caliphate controls the ME and most of Europe.
Really an incredible deal for two great books by a good guy.
Rodan wrote:
sounds like cambodia in the 70′s
@ coldwarrior:
Here is an example of brainwahsed reader at Hot AIr.
Yup, keep drinking the Neocon koolaid!
coldwarrior wrote:
Yep even the ones who were sleeping at the time./
@ Mars:
I like the answer in the form of the American Empire which controls most of the Americas and the Pacific!
Rodan wrote:
Didn’t happen like that down here..there may have been teacher’s pets but not often. There were different types of cliques of students who hung around each other. I could name a few the popular cliques who were also teachers pets at times but there could be stoners in this group too, the stoners, jocks, etc… can’t remember all of them right now…damn it’s been a long time ago!
@ Rodan:
I wish I’d gone either to Catholic School or another private school. I’d even have taken military school. Public school was just awful. I often say that the only thing I learned in public school was to carry a knife. That is a bit of an overstatement, but not much of one.
@ coldwarrior:
Is Assad doing atrocities, sure. But so is al-Qaeda. Hot Air are a bunch of liars.
Rodan wrote:
It happened in Caliphate, but not quite the way we would prefer. Instead it is run by a LaRouche style totalitarian.
@ lobo91:
Yes, but we can’t cut his budget! Because that’d be wrong…
Iron Fist wrote:
I was in Catholic School until 8th Grade. Then due to financial difficulty, my Mom had to send me to Public HS. I was amazed at the BS they were teaching and the Caste system got me angry.
@ Mars:
Yes, it was a Fascist State.
Mars wrote:
I would go as far as to say that basically all high schools are caste in nature..but the popular students or jocks didn’t always run rough-shod over other students. There were poor or kids who came from average homes in the both the popular and jocks….
Rodan wrote:
effing moron
Obama was AWOL. He gave his people their marching orders & then was
not in contact
What were his instructions & why did he disappear?
@ coldwarrior:
This is what we are dealing with. They believe any garbage Neocons spew.
Mars wrote:
they got medals of honor
Rodan wrote:
Did you ever get to talk to Kratman over in the swamp?
Rodan wrote:
That is what we would like to send them to…but up to their parents. We’d foot the bill…you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. That is basically where we are at with it…who knows in a few years everything maybe different. Right they are wanting to home-school.
@ Mars:
Yes I did. He would pop up like 11 PM my time. Cool guy.
@ Mars:
I think I have the first one…need to read it.
Rodan wrote:
they can send their sons then to fight and die for the caliphate
@ coldwarrior:
That’s anti-semitic of you. Arabs are Semites, so opposing fighting for the Caliphate makes you an anti-Semite!
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Iron Fist wrote:
I’ll say. And I went to one of the top 10 high schools in the country
Until I got thrown out.
For trashing the VP’s office.
Fuck her. She made my mother cry.
LOVED the private school.
Lily wrote:
I’d like to send my kids to private school but I have an ex-wife to deal with. In fact she’s trying to force me to change the kids school to one closer to her house. I guess she still doesn’t quite grasp what “primary custodial parent” means.
Rodan wrote:
Hot Air has always had what shall I say some rather *elective* posters….it was there that I read that Catholic’s were Cross Worshippers. Never knew that.
Lily wrote:
Home school is good. Most home schooled children can out-perform even the best that public school givs them. And there are so many more resources nowadays than there used to be. I do lectures on DVD from the Teaching Company. Most of their stuff isnundergraduate level, but I know they have some more basic math courses. It’ll be a few years before they need that, though. Reading, writing, and mathematics. Those are the core skills that schools should teach, but they are failing miserably at that. OTOH, these kids all have great self-esteem! They all think they are little princes/princesses…
Rodan wrote:
yep. thats me!
im racist bigot too
@ Lily:
There are outright Bigots at the blog. I just go there for some of the stories. I also go see what the latets RNC propaganda.
I have no use for it. SOme of our people post there too, which is cool with me. My beef is with the people who run Hot Air.
@ lobo91:
What a waste of money and really why aren’t New Yorkers pissed about this???
Lily wrote:
hmmm…i never knew that!
/
The establishment of the caliphate is inevitable. Our best bet would have been to establish a “whack a mole” policy on the ME. Instead we have people in office who have contributed to the development of the caliphate, and a current administration that has taken off any form of restraint toward aiding them. The republicans have been bad but O’s people are a thousand times worse. And any on the right calling for intervention are just part of the left in my opinion.
@ Iron Fist:
It’s about feelings!
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Iron Fist wrote:
Did you go to school in big city?
Mars wrote:
Wer have a winner!
@ coldwarrior:
Mars deserves an award!
lobo91 wrote:
Since Bloomberg is an extremely short man, and supposedly somewhat sensitive about it, all the stores and restaurants which sell sodas should start calling the 8 oz. size (i.e., the half-pint) a “Bloomberg.”
Mars wrote:
Whoops actually meant to say I want to home school. Lol, mind flashed back to the preschool years I guess.
Rodan wrote:
Bronze star!
RIX wrote:
Excellent questions and I would really like some real answers…Don’t think I’ll ever see them though.
Mars wrote:
are they?
there were more christians displaced and killed under W than under 0. he and his effectively destroyed the caldean church in iraq.
@ eaglesoars:
How could anyone not believe that the Daily Currant is a satire site? It’s very name is a pun. Unless schooling has become so bad that few people can distinguish between “currant” and “current”?
I want to plant a black currant bush in my garden, then a red one, and another black one, and so on. Then I can have alternating currants.
Iron Fist wrote:
I don’t think I’d be a good home schooling mom. I’d be looking for KIPP probably
Lily wrote:
at least in the Bronx we learned not only how to use the knife we even learned to make em in shop class
Rodan wrote:
its “einen seiger wir haben” not wer….
Mars wrote:
Apparently not. She doesn’t get the say so here. You do.
Iron Fist wrote:
I have often wondered why parents do co-op home schooling (as in get a building and start a big home school)
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
AAAAAGGGHHH!!
make it stop……..
I think people’s reading attention spans have atrophied.
I was taught to read when I was 3 (by a 7 yr old, believe it or not). But in about 3rd grade when our reading skills were beginning to be honed, we learned to take it by title, lead graph, etc. Examine everything and see how it fits.
those people never even knew the site they were on
@ Iron Fist:
LOL! I already see very healthy self-esteem in my older grand-daughter!
It’s funny. The younger one is too young yet to tell.
coldwarrior wrote:
That is actually interesting info. I would have assumed that O’s actions in Libya and his enabling of the egyptians would have put him in the lead.
What sucked about the whole Iraq situation is that we got involved originally to supposedly help Kuwait which as far as Islamics are concerned was somewhat westernized. We did this by going up against another somewhat westernized nation with Iraq. Later we on the ground found out we were actually there to protect Saudi which is not even close to westernized.
Iraq was another case like Egypt, Libya, and the current situation in Syria. Yes, they were run by dictators, but at least they weren’t run by Al Qaeda. Now look at them.
It was better when the whole ME was up in arms against each other. Now we are creating a situation where they are sympathetic to each other, this will lead directly into a Caliphate.
Rodan wrote:
I haven’t been to Hot Air in a long time. Really anti-Catholic for sure.
brookly red wrote:
Around here they do -w/o the building (who needs THOSE headaches?) -- but there are lots of group work things going on
@ Lily:
Not really. High School was big, but it was Middle School where I learned to carry a knife.
coldwarrior wrote:
LOL! I know ….it was meant as slur..I’m going like WTH?
Lily wrote:
Not according to her, she still attempts to dictate every single little thing.
The worst part, she sucks at parenting.
Iron Fist wrote:
I had to leave Middle School because I was pursued by black riders, and couldn’t get any orc done. That was when I took up my hobbies.
@ Lily:
Many Hot Air posters are anti-Catholic, anti-Hispanic, anti-Russian and now anti-Asian. There was a thread the other day where the posters were trashing Chinese, Vitenamese, Filipinos and Koreans. It was really revolting.
Funny thing is, they do not allow Islam/Muslim bashing over there.
@ Mars:
500,000 iraqi christians killed, burned out, exiled, refugees.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Sounds good…I bet he is rather vain and this would really upset him.
eaglesoars wrote:
I was self taught before the age of two.
Mars wrote:
One thing I’ve seen work everytime -- find someone for her to date.
eaglesoars wrote:
it only makes sense, (in NYC anyway) for the price of private schools pool your monies, rent a building, hire teachers…
@ brookly red:
No teacher’s union. There is, to, value in having true diversity of views. You don’t get that, though, in Public School. There is one Right Way, and that’s the Union Way, and God help those who don’t understand that.
Rodan wrote:
wait, leeme guess…ummmm, they are hindus? no wait…hindus only despise muzzies. umm maybe they are daoists? naaa, too upity.
i cant image what sort of religion would allow this sort of behavior. maybe everyone owns a few too many white sheets.
/ not
coldwarrior wrote:
But W is a true Christian!
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Mars wrote:
Did you watch TV? I’m told I learned a lot by watching the commercials with the text
@ coldwarrior:
They ban you at Hot Air if you trash Islam or Muslims. Funny how that works.
brookly red wrote:
bloomberg would shut that down RIGHT NOW!
Rodan wrote:
bullshit.
brookly red wrote:
In NYC would they be allowed to hire non-union?
Rodan wrote:
what? really? is grover norquist writing the checks for that joint?
eaglesoars wrote:
Nope she’s been in a “relationship” with her GF since six months before she ran away with her. The GF thinks she’s an even bigger childcare expert even though she’s mentally unstable and only has had a child for 3 years now.
HA!
the link on drudge doesnt work but here is the headline!
SEC accuses Ill. of lying about depleted pension funds…
this is gonna be hysterical!
eaglesoars wrote:
Not really, but my kids and disabled nephews learned a lot of reading because of commercials and program lists.
Iron Fist wrote:
Wow really? Not surprised though…middle school is a very awkward time for a child. Like I said above…I saw more bullying in middle school and elementary. My High School was big too but small town.
Mars wrote:
Now that is bad!
@ coldwarrior:
@ eaglesoars:
they do it private schools, and religious ones too… I am sure there would be push back but their are some folks in NYC with the monies to fight back
Rodan wrote:
I’m not surprised to be honest. They can get a little out of hand and Allahpundant doesn’t do anything to stop it.
Iron Fist wrote:
ddude! i used to leave my house at 0430 AM, walk through the neighborhood with a 30-30 deer rifle, walk THROUGH the school athletic fields and go hunt deer until school started. i would drop off the 30-30 at my buddies house (his mom would put it in the gun CASE, and i would pick it up and walk back home. ACROSS the athletic fields again in the middle of the afternoon
no big deal.
Mars wrote:
Oh you told me that -- I forgot………
coldwarrior wrote:
coldwarrior wrote:
if you bagged a dear on the way to school would the lunch ladies dress & cook it for you?
brookly red wrote:
true…true
just have the parents claim they are an ethnic minority school and then there will be grants made!
@ coldwarrior:
But remember, guns are much more available today…
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brookly red wrote:
the honest answer would be that the old ladies would probably have skinned it, dressed it and cooked it for the cafeteria!
coldwarrior wrote:
I have no faith in the SEC. Madoff was handed to them on a platter for years and they still couldn’t find anything
lobo91 wrote:
yes. yes they are.
Mars wrote:
Okay are you telling me they both have mental problems??? Whoa…I bet that works out real well…..
@ coldwarrior:
Don’t tell anyone that you used to be able to buy guns from ads in magazines.
eaglesoars wrote:
because they could not understand what he was doing. the agents were not so bright
@ eaglesoars:
Two words: Jon Corzine. Nothing is going to happen with the SEC and Illinois. Not with Obama in the White House.
coldwarrior wrote:
would you at least get the neck roast ?
Mars wrote:
Me the Sunday comic’s….I stared at the words until I figured them out. I was determined. I wanted to read. Guess what I’m the only reader in my house and the only one who understands the feel and smell of a new book in your hand. Awesome!
lobo91 wrote:
I think that went away after JFK… no?
lobo91 wrote:
shhhhh….
brookly red wrote:
1968
brookly red wrote:
and some back straps for jerky.
lobo91 wrote:
oh! that explains all the gun fire in the streets…
@ brookly red:
’68 GCA. The Democrats have been at gun control for a very long time. They are patient after the manner of dedicated Socialists who don’t care about the timeline so long as they get their Utopia in the end.
I went into a club down in old Soho
And the bartender said, “we can’t serve you a big soda
S-O-D-A, soda—
Because we would risk forfeiting our license.”
I asked him how come and he said, “It’s on Bloomberg’s orda
O-R-D-A, orda…”
Well, I’m not the world’s most political guy
But when I heard him say that I just spit in his eye
I wanted soda—a big cup of soda
Well, I’m not dumb but I can’t understand
Why the Mayor of New York just can’t keep his hands
Off my soda—S-O-D-A, soda…
lobo91 wrote:
Finally some common sense. Hey if you want a Big Gulp…why can’t you have it??? I’d tell the little midget of a mayor of New York you have to be oh 6 feet tall to be able to be mayor of New York..new rule.
Iron Fist wrote:
Once in awhile, one of them lets the truth slip out:
Lily wrote:
so the fucker would just stand on his wallet…
bbiab
So, in the photo attached looks like Nancy PeeLowsea is working part time down in Mexico,, see in glasses to the left of nice legs person.
Now on the other matter.
If the borders can just be open long enough for this lady to get in the U.S. and end up in San Franciso, she would be just fine as a Nancy PeeLowsea replacement. Even I could stand for this lady talking the Nancy PeeLowsea nuto stuff.
http://www.elimparcial.com/EdicionEnlinea/Notas/Nacional/09022013/668601.aspx
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Excellent took me a second but prefert buzz!
@ lobo91:
Yeah, I saw that this morning. If they told the truth, they know that only about 30% of the population would be willing to go along with them, so they claim that they want someting “reasonable”. Everybody is fro “reasonable” things, right? And if you are against them, well, your being unreasonable! That’s how they like to couch the terms, anyway. I don’t buy into it. How reasonable was racial discrimination in the South in 1956? Gun control is about Civil Rights, too. There is no difference between racial segregation and gun control.
@ Lily:
PIMF Perfect
brookly red wrote:
Nope …can’t use the wallet. Also new rule.
Lily wrote:
lily rules!
man I tell you…I have been chasing down a benefit for my mom from the Vet Administration…what was supposed have been a 72 hour thing is now a year…a fucking YEAR!…got a letter today which stated they need even more documents, stuff I don’t have, or doesn’t exist..I don’t even know how to find…I’m nearly at my wits end…I’ve gone thru the roof a bunch of times…I’ve talked to my lawyer, jumped thu so many hoops I’ve lost track…and I’m not a real patient guy…this is insane and I know others go thru this shit…it’s like a puzzle that you cannot put together…the only reason I keep pressing ahead is because I refuse to let them beat me…it’s not about money anymore…I’m gonna win out or die first…I hate the feds
heysoos wrote:
A year is 72 hours in government years when you’re trying to get them to do something.
@ heysoos:
they are hoping to wear you down so you quit. classic tactic of bureaucracies. this is also a self-perpetuating behavior as it requires more bureaucrats to engage in this sort of tactic. essentially, when a bureaucracy does this, they are f*&$ing themsleves!
bbl.
Question for all of you who know way more than I do:
My brother (who lives in Anne Arundel County MD) received an “American Community Survey” using the Census (ie. required by law) as a cover. He is very upset because it is asking a boat load of questions that he feels (and I agree) are not constitutional. I have researched, but still have no clear answer as to what his legal standing to not complete the form may be. What says the gallery here?
@ lobo91:
@ Iron Fist:
@ coldwarrior:
Nixon Wished for Total Handgun Ban
That great Conservative Nixon!
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@ gizbot7:
It could be OFA. It sounds like Data Mining.
@ coldwarrior:
LOL!
@ gizbot7:
throw it in the garbage…instantly, and anything else gets from them
@ Rodan:
Nixon was never a Conservative. Any student of history knows that. Wasn’t the Department of Education Nixon? That ties into the other sub-thread topic, how badly public education sucks…
Iron Fist wrote:
Nixon created the EPA as well.
Rodan wrote:
Nixon didn’t live to see it, but the Supreme Court specifically said handguns in Heller. Handguns have been specifically protected. We’ll see what they do with an AR 15 when that comes before them.
@ heysoos:
Don’t quit. May take two years..but sooner or later they give…took us two years for my son who is the very definition of *disability*! Also took a lawyer and tons of paper work. In the end he got his disability. He would much rather work though. Mind is willing body isn’t giving.
Iron Fist wrote:
Carter
Rodan wrote:
Man you do not know how correct you are.
@gizbot7 We are outside the time window for the Census! In all probability this is in fact a Data Mining operation attempting to use color of law as a cover!
I would throw the damn thing in the fireplace
@ gizbot7:
I have never heard of this ‘American Community Survey’ to be honest. And why would it be against the law to throw it away? Did he sign for it?
Throw it away or answer everything unknown, n/a or he and his family are minorities just to mess with the federal governments heads…because they are all about the minority stuff. Big Time!
@ gizbot7:
It’s legitimate, and failing to fill it out can subject you to a $5,000 fine.
@ AZOlddog:
It’s what replaced the long-form Census forms for the past Census.
AZOlddog wrote:
Yep if he didn’t sign for it…it got lost in the mail…the mail don’t run like they use to because of government cutbacks and all.
@ Iron Fist:
It’s a shame we are even arguing over this. GUNS are a Constitional Right, period.
Deckchairs on the Titanic.
Is America in Danger of a Federal Takeover of Our Elections?
Someone please wake up the GOPee before it’s too late…
lobo91 wrote:
Really didn’t we just do a census?
American Community Survey
heysoos wrote:
may I make a suggestion. I know you hate the feds, but sometime this actually works. Contact Tom Udall’s office (Heinrich would be my 2nd choice)
lobo91 wrote:
You are quite right except for one point! The last census was over THREE years ago!
Since we are in an Odd numbered year there should be NO LEGAL census activities going on! There are at least 5 Data Mining operations going that use mailers and forms that look ALMOST exactly like the legal forms.
Burn the sucker and claim you never got it if ever questioned!
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
Interesting that 2 of the five are submitted by the mindless muslim.
@ Lily:
In the past, a certain percentage of people got a “long form” Census form that asked much the same stuff. I got one in 2000.
In 2010, they did away with the long form, and everyone just got the short ones. In its place, they’re sending this new form out to something like 250,000 households per month.
@ AZOlddog:
See #216
@ lobo91:
Okay so how often do they do this?..I know I did it in 2010 myself.
AZOlddog wrote:
From what I can see it’s sent out as a random sampling. So it can be sent anytime even outside the census window.
Makes one wonder what else the feds have slipped in to grab information.
my 2000 census went straight to the garbage can…never heard a peep from them
heysoos wrote:
I agree and would do the same. But, he is concerned regarding the part that says it’s required by law. He also said that he called his congressman and got his secretary on the line who told him to tear it up and throw it away. The problem is they are calling and harassing him and from what I have read they will even go to his house! The questions they ask on that thing are intrusive and unconstituional but they are doing it anyway. WTF????
@ lobo91:
Okay this is going to be new and rather personal if you ask me.
•age
•sex
•race
•family and relationships
•income and benefits
•health insurance
•education
•veteran status
•disabilities
•where you work and how you get there
•where you live and how much you pay for some essentials
@ Mars:
The only thing that’s changed is that instead of sending them all out at one time, they’re sending out a small number each month continuously.
It does a couple of things. First, it prevents the basic Census data from being held up by people refusing to fill out the long forms, and second, it gives them more accurate information. Getting a small sample every month is better than one big sample every 10 years, the way things change today.
Mars wrote:
No surprise there. He wants to keep his seat in Congress…
@ gizbot7:
Like the questions in my comment 222?
@ gizbot7:
the law is just a bunch of words…I’m the exact wrong person to even opine on this stuff at the moment…they can’t chase down everyone who doesn’t reply and I’m a gambler
@ Lily:
I haven’t seen this new survey, but I did get the long form in 2000. It asks all sorts of stuff, even about pets.
@ Mars:
It is pure data mining.
Do nnot think OFA has people in the census.
Mars wrote:
Looks like they can send it out every year.
lobo91 wrote:
Oh I agree it streamlines the process, but with this administration I think I’d be more concerned with why they changed it and who they plan on sharing it with.
Like I said earlier, we are at war, the libs are attacking 100 different fronts at a time and we are only responding to one at a time.
lobo91 wrote:
The last one I did was 2010 and I thought there were going to a lot of extremely intrusive questions not so bad…a couple of odd ones that was it. But from your link this one is qsking some very intrusive questions.
Rodan wrote:
Exactly, read my last.
@ Mars:
The aggregate data is publicly available. It’s on the Census Bureau website. I used data from the 1990 Census for my graduate degree.
If you want to see how many households in a particular Census tract have cats, you can. It doesn’t tell you which houses have cats, though.
Rodan wrote:
Think again. Obama had a whole battery of temp census people hired; was using their temporary employment to lie about the jobs numbers during the 2010 election. There was some noise about his playing politics with the census at the time, too.
@ gizbot7:
They are calling and harassing him? Even though his Senator’s Sec. told him him to tear it up?
@ Lily:
I doubt that the questions have changed all that much. They’re just spreading out the time frame in which they’re asked.
The way technology changes today, it makes sense. If they want to know the percentage of people who have iPads, for example, the answers today would be much different from what they were in 2000 (since they didn’t exist then).
Lily wrote:
They’re going to continue calling (and probably showing up at his door) until he fills it out.
Workin’ in a data mine
Takin’ it all down down
Workin’ in a data mine
I’ll put your facts down…
@ lobo91:
True but they want to know about relationships, how much you pay for essentials…..rather odd. From your link. Where you work and how you get there..
Lily wrote:
Same stuff as before.
lobo91 wrote:
If that is the case, he can ask them for various identification to ensure that it is in fact something from the government.
It’s not as though people don’t phish for data trying to pass themselves off as something else. It’s not as though OFA or some related outfit might not be trying to do that while giving the false impression that it’s a government initiative.
It is kind of late in the season to be following up on a census that was done in 2010.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That is how OFA got much of its data. OFA also probably got Stimulus money.
lobo91 wrote:
I would assume since he basically made a point of being noticed. He can fill it out whatever way he wants or say he sent it in the mail. If he doesn’t want to fill it out..he throw the dice and do that.
Gizbot is saying there is some rather very intrusive questions on it that made call his Congressman. Apparently this one doesn’t have the random odd question..the whole thing is odd.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
It’s going to be a continuous project now. They’re sending them out monthly from now on, rather than all in one mass.
lobo91 wrote:
Since when? And under what authority? IIRC, the Constitution provides for a census every ten years, not for rolling data mining.
I realize that the Constitution is just a pretty document that’s, you know, like a hundred years old or something, but still…
@ lobo91:
Yep did do some double checking and they are doing the random distribution by Executive Order what else!
That being said, there are Data Mining Operations going on looking very look-alike mailers and forms.
Thats why we are advising burn and shut up! Being as he has already raised his profile his best bet is to fill out the Demographic Info and N/A or blonk the rest!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
So this is un-Constitutional?
blank not blonk! PIMF even if you are at work and in a hurry!
@ AZOlddog:
Yep he has already caught their attention…n/a is the only way if he doesn’t want to answer the questions.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I don’t recall anything in the Constitution saying that they can’t do it, either.
@ AZOlddog:
An Executive Order by obama? So this just over-rides the only every 10 years census?
Bloomberg is going to appeal the soda ban takedown
bye bye privacy…
just refuse to deal with it, make the feds prove it’s legality, defend yourself, go to jail…all they can do is kill you
Lily wrote:
Yes! Including:
Housing:
What describes best the type of housing you live in?
When was it built?
How many acres is it on?
Were there any agricultural sales made from this property?
Do you have access to the internet? If so, what kind?
How many automobiles or trucks of one-ton compacity or less are kept at this house?
Which fuel is used most for heating this house?
What was your cost last month for heating this house?
In the past 12 months,did any member of your house receive benefits from food stamps or SNAP?
Personal
What is your mortgage and taxes on this property?
Do you have a second mortgage on this property?
What grade level have these people (all listed in your home) attended?
This thing is out of control.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
It all depends on how Congress and the Courts define what Article I Section 2 Clause 3 of the Constitution means.
Just logged on and haven’t had a chance to read it. It’s a GREAT topic, so thanks for the Post.
@ gizbot7:
Same questions they asked in 2000.
@ gizbot7:
I see a lot of n/a answers going on there. It’s more than just the average how many people live there and how they get to work. I don’t understand why the federal government NEEDS to know ALL of this. Does anyone?
lobo91 wrote:
That was only the tip of the iceberg as I didn’t want to make my post too long. I respect your opinion and knowledge, so please tell me what you think about this letter:
To Whom it May Concern,
Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.
Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)
“Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”
Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.
@ lobo91:
Some are different from when they asked in 2010 lobo.
eaglesoars wrote:
He’s really an asshole.
@ gizbot7:
I have no idea when my house was built and am not going through a ton of paperwork looking for that answer. Period. N/A
Rodan wrote:
Why? It’s pointless. Oh wait..someone told him “no”.
yenta-fada wrote:
OFA is much scarier than people realize.
AZOlddog wrote:
fill it out with false info.
Lily wrote:
There was no long form Census in 2010. All they asked was the basic questions that year (number of residents, ages, etc.).
Lily wrote:
How Folks get to work has a lot to do with who gets the Transportation Grant Money from the FedGov. Same goes for other data that is used to figure out who gets the money from other FedGov programs…
@ gizbot7:
I doubt that it will impress the minimum wage worker standing at the front door.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
And a lot of it’s used by local governments for their own planning. It’s a lot easier to plan for where you need to build a new school if you can see that in 3 years, there are going to be a certain number of new students coming of age in a particular neighborhood.
@ Rodan:
OFA is scary, but I think you give people too little credit. Sure it is scary, but what are we supposed to do? Run around screaming the sky is falling? It’s a bitch. We get that. We’re not going to give up, or go blow ourselves up for Allah. We still have children to feed, or in my case kittens to feed. We’re not going to just give up because the odds are long.
@ lobo91:
Okay..so I got the rather short form …like I said a couple of odd questions but that was all. Nothing like that. I’m trying to remember 2000′s census…I know I filled it out and don’t remember being disturbed by any questions…like how many cars? It would have been me who filled it out. But it’s been since 2000 over a decade and I must say this past decade hasn’t been a good one.
Iron Fist wrote:
hack em, shut them down
Lily wrote:
As I said, there was no long form in 2010. This new survey takes its place.
As for 2000, you probably got the short form. Most people did. They distributed a certain number of long forms per Census tract. I happened to get one in 2000.
OT. A good essay on how the MSM doesn’t have to do fact checking because it controls the narrative. How does data mining allow you to do that? Not a criticism, but a question.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-10/guest-post-sequestration-and-death-mainstream-journalism
Iron Fist wrote:
Bingo. I don’t see us giving up. It is just not in our DNA. Oh we will put up with a lot of crap …but once we have had our fill…we don’t just say no…it’s HELL NO! Just like on A&E the series THE BIBLE has record people watching it.
@ Iron Fist:
The last thing I’m worried about is a survey from the Census Bureau, but that’s just me.
I’m more concerned over things like how I’m going to pay my mortgage.
@ Iron Fist:
Look out for yourself and love ones. I do not have any answer and can only out out the information.
@ yenta-fada:
Al Gore is good at making up his own facts:
@ Lily:
I’ve given up. There is no serious opposition Party in America. The GOP are bunch of jokesters who care more about helping al-Qaeda take over Syria than defeating Obama.
I’ll email you later my gripes with the GOP. There are some I do not write publically. But I’m done with them until they are serious.
I just hold onto my faith and distract myself with the World Baseball Classic.
lobo91 wrote:
I gotcha now…no long form in 2010 and I know I got the short form in 2000 I don’t remember those types of questions.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I did not know if they sent out short forms in 2000. This new survey takes it’s place. So you have gotten a long form before and they ask you all types of questions?
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Thank you for that answer Da_Beerfreak.
New thread.
Rodan wrote:
The best thing we could do is get an Operation going from our side! However like Rodan I have pretty much given up on the Republican party!
Hey, Rodan how about cc me on that e-mail! I would love to see if your gripes match mine!
@ Lily:
In past years, 95% of people got the short form. In 2010, everyone got the short form, and they started this new survey to take the place of the long form.
And yes, the questions on the 2000 long form were very similar. They’ve been doing them since the 1940 Census. Of course, they change somewhat from one version to the next. Obviously, they didn’t ask how many TV sets were in the house in 1940. They probably asked about radios.
That’s one of the reasons for the new survey being done on a monthly basis instead of once every 10 years. They can update the questions more often to reflect changes in society.
@ AZOlddog:
Sure!
lobo91 wrote:
Very true. That’s why A) I have looked into this on behalf of my brother (he’s not a big computer person) and B) I asked for the thoughts of people on this blog. I apologize if this is an issue, but you guys seem to know a lot about laws and therefore, collectively more than I do.
@ gizbot7:
As a practical matter, I’m not sure that it’s worth the trouble to pursue. If your brother has lots of spare time to spend in court, and cash to hire lawyers, maybe he’ll get somewhere.
Rodan wrote:
Well sometimes you really have to do that. I often imagine what people were thinking in the 30′s and early 40′s when all hell was breaking loose…or during WWI and the horrible flu break-out that strangely attacked young people instead of the real young and the old..but the late teen and up to 40 people once they got it dead in 3 days. A very nasty flu. I wonder what it was like when our country was about to tear apart during the civil war and brother fought brother. This country has faced some horrible times before and it looked like the end was nigh…but you know what we are still here. Still hanging on…and the end was not nigh in the past.
Tomorrow is the start of the conclave….tomorrow is the start of an interesting time…and the whole world is watching to see who the next Pope will be. Keep the Faith. There is nothing new under the sun.
RIX wrote:
If the U.S. Mission in Benghazi WAS shipping Libyan arms through Turkey to the anti-Syrian forces, then I would bet that the whole cover up is to protect Iran. Pro-Syrian forces would have had the most to gain by stopping the arms shipments to the anti-Syrian forces.
lobo91 wrote:
See there is more important things…me what next will go wrong with me. My body is not well…hopefully it will get better.
lobo91 wrote:
Hey look, I mean no harm and when I said I respect you Lobo, I meant it. But what I can’t understand is why you are defending this when you surely must realize how intrusive it is — and I’m not the only one saying so.
http://www.redstate.com/conservativekaren/2012/05/07/the-american-community-survey-be-prepared/
lobo91 wrote:
He could talk to the ACLU—as long as he’s not trying to put a cross on public land, they might be interested. Or he could talk to some conservative foundation, which might be interested if a link can be shown between census data and a non-government group like OFA or ACORN (whatever it’s calling itself these days).
@ lobo91:
Well I see your point. There were a lot of doom and gloom about the questions in 2010 and frankly they weren’t that bad.
Lily wrote:
Hopefully…
@ gizbot7:
I’m only “defending” it to the extent that I know that it’s not some nefarious plot that Obama invented. They’ve been asking the same types of questions since 1940.
There were probably people complaining about it back then, too, claiming that FDR was spying on them.
Lily wrote:
I remember people complaining about the 2000 questions, as well.
If I had to guess, people complained about them in 1990…1980…1970…1960…1950…and 1940, which is when they started asking them.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That’s a big “if.” It’s already illegal for the individual data to be disclosed. Not sure how you’d prove it, though, without a whistleblower or something.
@ Lily:
We are on the verge of a one party dictaorship. Nothing is being done about it.
All I have is my faith at this point. My faith in God, not a political party.
Iron Fist wrote:
2 steps forward …2 steps back. It’s annoying.
@ lobo91:
Yup.
Rodan wrote:
I hear you Rodan that’s all I can depend on myself. Need to do a thread on that…it would also take your mind off how spine-less the Republicans are.
lobo91 wrote:
Aw man, I never said Obama had anything to do with it. In fact, all I really know is that it was instituted a while ago but there was also a group of Republicans back around 2010 who tried to stop it (sort of). So no, I am not blaming Obama for everything or this — but it doesn’t make it okay. No matter how old the argument.
lobo91 wrote:
The Constitution grants the authority to the federal government to count people for the specific purpose of determining how many representatives each state gets. That information is then turned over to the respective states to be used in apportioning congressional districts. Collecting more information than is needed to apportion congressional districts arguably goes beyond what the federal government is empowered to do in that regard.
The federal government is not supposed to have or usurp any powers that are not specifically granted to it in the Constitution. There shouldn’t need to be anything specific in the Constitution forbidding the government from collecting more data than that, or engaging in whatever other abuses. It’s impossible to anticipate all the wrong things a governmental body might possibly do, so as to write prohibitions against each and every one of them into the Constitution.
@ 1389AD:
Too bad they went under the bus a long time ago…
@ Da_Beerfreak:
No kidding