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Guest Blogger: AZ Old Dog


datamining

A discussion occurred on the last BlogMocRadio about Data Mining, what is it and how is it used.

Let me start with the side that my Paycheck Continuation Program (PCP) is involved with on a daily basis, Just In Time Inventory or JITI.  This is Data Mining at its’ finest!

Ever walked into almost any commercial enterprise and seen employees running around with hand held Bar Code Scanners, ever had you purchase rang up by passing over or under a scanner and then paid for said purchase with a Credit or Debit Card!  Answer yes to any of those and you have been data mined!  Mind you that most US commercial enterprises (Notable exceptions for Google, Microshaft and anything associated with GE) use this data to tailor what they carry in a given region, when and how much they order and what demographics (remember the cards) are buying their goods.

Each store involved has what most call an In Store Processor (ISP).  Now the ISP could be called an Idiot Savant of computers as it includes a full Commercial Transactions Node (think ATM at your Bank) and a continuous communications node to wherever the company’s Master Inventory Control Point (MICP) is.  I know where most of them are but have this little thing called Confidentiality Agreements (CA)  in place here.

All decisions with the (sometimes) exception of Local Hiring and Firing are made at the MICP.  The individual stores do what they are told!  Ever walked into a chain store and found something on sale, unadvertised over night?  That item is not selling well in your region and the MICP projects a need for that shelf space!  Better to sell it at reduced price or even a small loss compared to having to dispose of it or ship it back!  Many chains have associated chains where the High Dollar but popular items that are fixing to go “Out of Style” are cross-shipped to and sold as Discount!  Don’t ask me to name names, see CA above.

All of these methods as well as regional and demographic patterns are used to determine what to purchase, when to purchase, when to ship and get it to the store just as it will sell!  Important here also is how much an individual store can be expected to sell!

This Boys and Girls is how beneficial Commercial Data Mining works.  Now let us translate this to the Political Realm!

First you need a Sugar Daddy to buy you a Master Control Point (MCP) and all the Internet bandwidth you need.  Enter George Soros and his endless bag of money in cooperation with an outfit not legally associated with a Political Party, let’s call it Organizing for America (OFA) just as something to use OK?

Now your MCP does not need a huge investment (Hell, I have four machines in my house that could host it) mostly a good sized Server Grade machine and lots of Network Storage (NS).  NS is desired as we are going to store and transmit lots of data and NS can be expanded as needed cheaply and with a minimum of fuss!  What it really must have is damn good data management software and a rock solid communications link!  Who are we going to talk to?

How about the community leaders in every local group who is going to agree with what we want to do.  Here is where legally a Political party can become involved as they are just one little communications node in our dispersed network.  What do these nodes need to function? A cheap piece of secure communications software, that’s it. With a computer that they probably already have and the cheap ass software they are now a functional node in our huge data mining operation!

Next we send from the MCP what information we want like say names and voting patterns!  We could also ask for anything any prominent person has ever done stupid.  Or even better how about anything that person has ever said or done that could be twisted out of context to make them LOOK stupid or evil.

Next set of marching orders from the MCP is “What to Say and When!”  Thus at say 1:00 PM all nodes start saying the exact same thing at the exact same time!  Who the hell cares if it is true or accurate!

What then occurs in large portions of our modern society is called Information Waterfall.  Many, many people will hear it and the assumption becomes that because everyone and everybody is saying the same thing “It Must Be True!”

This is the danger of the Distributed Network more so that Inbound Data Mining, the phenomenon of Outbound Data Mining (ODM)!

ODM is the weapon that OFA is trying to use!  Any piece of dirt or innuendo that can be found or developed against a political enemy is brought in processed and distributed to all the nodes in a matter of minutes  and no one on our side has the damn brains to start using this power!

The problem with this model is that much of the control of information and efforts is shifted away from the personalities running the operation to the troops running the nodes.  On the Progressive left that is no problem as they are united in thought and deed!  Not so on the Right!

Neocons, Socons, Fiscons, PaulBots and just plain “Do It My Way” country club Republicans divide the Right better than Odumbbutt ever could.  Each and everyone of these groups that launches and kind of effort wants to Keep Control!

If only we could get together and find the points we agree on build that into our MCP software as Priority’s and build our own Bi-Directional Data Mining effort because until we do we will always be one step behind OFA!

-AZOlddog

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  1. The Osprey
    1 | March 11, 2013 12:13 pm

    From your lips to the RNC’s ears, OldDog.


  2. Lily
    2 | March 11, 2013 12:21 pm

    Good post AZ Old Dog!


  3. Lily
    3 | March 11, 2013 12:25 pm

    It is amazing how many people believe things just because they have heard it all over the place. With information at the touch of your finger-tips why aren’t they seeing if it is true? Just a simple spot check and you will know whether it’s the truth of fiction that is being spread around.


  4. 4 | March 11, 2013 12:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    We had someone post a story that turned out to be satire this morning on the thread. It took about 15 minutes before someone had debunked it. The information is there, but the low info voters don’t want to access it. That is too much like work. Worse, it might stimulate their minds to think, and they try to avoid that at all costs.


  5. 5 | March 11, 2013 12:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    It is amazing how many people believe things just because they have heard it all over the place. With information at the touch of your finger-tips why aren’t they seeing if it is true? Just a simple spot check and you will know whether it’s the truth of fiction that is being spread around.

    Because the people swayed by this tactic are too damn lazy to think!


  6. coldwarrior
    6 | March 11, 2013 12:32 pm

    oooh!

    ive been waiting for this article…gotta read it when i get back tho.

    gotta go to the lumber yard.


  7. Lily
    7 | March 11, 2013 12:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    We had someone post a story that turned out to be satire this morning on the thread. It took about 15 minutes before someone had debunked it. The information is there, but the low info voters don’t want to access it. That is too much like work. Worse, it might stimulate their minds to think, and they try to avoid that at all costs.

    Yeah I saw that this morning…I don’t think it is all lazy. I think they agree with the wrong information too so hence why do quick check to see if it is the truth? I also think they just believe what is being fed to them…those would certainly belong in the low info voters.. the leftists want to believe the lies.


  8. Lily
    8 | March 11, 2013 12:34 pm

    AZOlddog wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    It is amazing how many people believe things just because they have heard it all over the place. With information at the touch of your finger-tips why aren’t they seeing if it is true? Just a simple spot check and you will know whether it’s the truth of fiction that is being spread around.
    Because the people swayed by this tactic are too damn lazy to think!

    I agree some are too damn lazy but I also think some are too damn dumb to question it too!


  9. 9 | March 11, 2013 12:39 pm

    This article is great. This is why I come here. Thank you Dog + Blogmocracy editors.


  10. Lily
    10 | March 11, 2013 12:41 pm

    I’ve come across both…too lazy and too willing to believe the lies…of the two I’d say too damn willing to believe the lies has the heavier number in it. Even if you actually show them the facts, the truth and expose the lie. They believe it for a moment then rubber-band back to how they believed before you exposed the lie. Not really sure how you reach these types of people other than they are really going to have to feel it too instead of just hear it and believe the lies.


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | March 11, 2013 12:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The information is there, but the low info voters don’t want to access it.

    There were 2 reasons people believed it. 1) they wanted to and 2) people are apparently unaware that the site it was posted on, Daily Currant, is a satire site.

    AZ Old Dog, great post. One thing I’d like to point out: Keeping the data up to date is a HUGE job and it’s not cheap. In terms of free but huge, trying keeping the USPS’ zip code data base in sync. Assuming USPS manages to get it to you on a timely basis. PRIZM data is expensive.

    Then would you like to starting getting into birth/death records?


  12. 12 | March 11, 2013 12:45 pm

    @ Lily:

    They believe what they want to believe. That is why we’ll have a hard time cracking their votes. They want to beleve the Left. The Left say what they want to hear. The Republicans can’t simply start telling the same lies. Number one, they’ll lose the voter base that they currently have. No, to crack the low info voters, they have to crack the low info part. How many of these kids believe Stalin was a hero? That is the level of stupid that our public school system is turning out. Of course they don’t question the teacher. 12 years of school (plus college for many) have taught them to never question the teacher. And for their purposes, Jon Stewart is the teacher. They don’t question him any more than you’d question the words of the Bible.


  13. Lily
    13 | March 11, 2013 12:47 pm

    Off Topic but On Topic too….

    OFA Donors To Shell Out $50,000 To Hear Chicago Jesus Speak…

    President Obama will speak Wednesday to the nonprofit organization that grew from his reelection campaign despite questions over the group’s fundraising practices, an official for Organizing for Action (OFA) confirmed Monday.

    The president will address the advocacy group’s “founder’s summit,” a two-day event for donors and supporters at a Washington-area hotel.

    According to The New York Times, donors will pay $50,000 to attend the event, and other speakers will include OFA Chairman and former Obama campaign manager Jim Messina, as well as Jon Carson, the group’s executive director and former director of the White House Office of Public Engagement.

    At the event, the president and OFA officials are hoping to rally supporters for efforts on the president’s gun control, immigration and budget initiatives.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/11/ofa-donors-to-shell-out-50000-to-hear-chicago-jesus-speak/


  14. 14 | March 11, 2013 12:50 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    There were 2 reasons people believed it. 1) they wanted to and 2) people are apparently unaware that the site it was posted on, Daily Currant, is a satire site.

    It seemed too good to check, at leasst for Boston.com. That is what is amazing. We are constantly bombarded with how superior the Media is because of their layers of fact checkers and editors, but they continually get things like this wrong. Not to mention how long someone like Jason Blair got away with it. The thing is that you can trust the info on blogs at least as much as you can what is in your local paper. Probably more. When someone gets it wrong on a blog, people who know better notify them, and they can retract it in almost real time. Once your local fishwrap has been printed, it is out there for however many weeks or months until they get around toprinting a retraction (which is never as big and sensational as the headline was).


  15. 15 | March 11, 2013 12:57 pm

    Kwame Kilpatrick is guilty:

    DETROIT — Former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was convicted Monday of corruption charges, ensuring a return to prison for a man once among the nation’s youngest big-city leaders.

    Jurors convicted Kilpatrick of a raft of crimes, including racketeering conspiracy, which carries a maximum punishment of 20 years behind bars. He was portrayed during a five-month trial as an unscrupulous politician who took bribes, rigged contracts and lived far beyond his means while in office until fall 2008.

    Kilpatrick wore a surprised, puzzled look at times as U.S. District Judge Nancy Edmunds read the jury’s verdict: guilty of 24 charges, not guilty on three and no consensus on three more. Kilpatrick declined to speak to reporters as he left the courthouse.

    This is a surprise. Not that he was guilty. The evidence was pretty incontrovertable, bu tthat a jury found him guilty. I am surprised that he didn’t get a pass. No doubt that they will now be derrided as a bunch of racists.


  16. eaglesoars
    16 | March 11, 2013 12:57 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Once your local fishwrap has been printed, it is out there for however many weeks or months

    Yeah but the innernut is forever. Which this woman is going to forever regret. She defines low info voter -- and she thinks she’s brilliant.

    It’s hilarious.

    What Do You Think about Obama Pardoning the Sequester and Sending It to Portugal?

    I’m so grateful because Portugal should be protected. It has a constitution and deserves to be protected at all costs and that’s what our president is for


  17. 17 | March 11, 2013 12:58 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Most DM operations are huge undertakings until you consider the number of nodes inputing / updating data. That is the whole idea of the distributed information systems that DM operations are!

    What is a daunting task to one person or small organization becomes nothing as the node count increases to where each has minimal work.


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | March 11, 2013 1:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I am surprised that he didn’t get a pass.

    I’m not. They threw Monica Conyers’ ass in jail. She’s out now on house arrets.


  19. Lily
    19 | March 11, 2013 1:03 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You are right they want to believe it. But I am seeing this in older people hardcore democrats. With the younger people..they don’t want to hear it..they are the lazy ones. Both nuts are hard to crack…both believe everything they hear…whether it is lies or not. Both do not check on if they are hearing the truth or not. Plus if you try to engage either group one will get hostile, the other either tunes you out and gets hostile..or simply tunes you out. I don’t know how you reach these two groups. Not to mention you bring up a huge problem our schools…okay who was taught about Tesla? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla
    Most people were taught only about Edison…what about the war crimes the Japanese people committed during WWII? On a thread a week or so ago …there were a few people who didn’t know this. No, let’s teach our children about two mommies and two daddies…or how to be PC and crap like that. There is a lot of history that you can make come to life by just being interesting. Not to mention a lot of what is taught is slanted too. It shouldn’t be. Just the facts are good enough. We are now hating ourselves on Thanksgiving for elminating the Indians. The mis-information that is being fed to our children is mind-boggling. Not to mention a lot of the teachers are not impartial. I understand they are human too and it is hard to walk that fine line without some of their own opinions slipping through..but one needs to recognize that in ones self.


  20. eaglesoars
    20 | March 11, 2013 1:04 pm

    AZOlddog wrote:

    What is a daunting task to one person or small organization becomes nothing as the node count increases to where each has minimal work.

    That’s true. I liken it to switches and routers. Individually no biggie and the more traffic, just add more.

    But the WHOLE picture still has to be managed.


  21. 21 | March 11, 2013 1:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Teh Stoopid is strong in that one! The problem is, her vote counts as much as yours or mine, and there are a lot of people like her out there. Obama spoke to those people in a language they could understand. It didn’t matter that most everything he said was lies. They weren’t going to fact-check the President of the United States, and the complicit MSM guaranteed that Obama’d be able to keep up the charade until after he was re-elected. Even now they promote the myth that the economy is just fine, and that we have to just get used to a higher unemployment level (while still importing people from Somolia to do jobs “Americans won’t do”). I don’ tknow what the solution is. The next Democrat that comes along is going to emulate Obama on this. Whether or not he’ll be able to motivate the slacker vote to actually make it to the polls is the question.


  22. Lily
    22 | March 11, 2013 1:10 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Once your local fishwrap has been printed, it is out there for however many weeks or months
    Yeah but the innernut is forever. Which this woman is going to forever regret. She defines low info voter — and she thinks she’s brilliant.
    It’s hilarious.
    What Do You Think about Obama Pardoning the Sequester and Sending It to Portugal?
    I’m so grateful because Portugal should be protected. It has a constitution and deserves to be protected at all costs and that’s what our president is for

    Okay this just proves the saying,
    “It is better for people to think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

    I have made mistakes indeedy I have..but I prefer to try and make them as private as possible. Have I posted something stupid on this blog…oh gosh yes…but not so stupid (I hope) that when people see the nic Lily they roll their eye’s and go “Damn thread killer!”
    ;)


  23. 23 | March 11, 2013 1:11 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Quite true! That is why the software and priority tables in the MCP have to be Absolute Worst Case tested at least three or for times before any attempt to deploy occurs (this is where the Romney ORCA fell on it’s face!). Our running gag is that we give them the code and sell them the validation testing! :)


  24. taxfreekiller
    24 | March 11, 2013 1:12 pm

    tfk new name for Obama.

    “Gypsie-In-Chief”

    Any one think this traveler will fix the holes in our roofs or borders?


  25. 25 | March 11, 2013 1:13 pm

    Another example of L.I.V.-ness:

    I was at Cracked.com the other day. Cracked had an article about the NSFW stuff in certain beloved books in the literary canon, from Canterbury Tales to, er, Where’s Waldo. The diary of Anne Frank was brought up -- the actual diary, not the text for kids which her dad cleaned up and published.

    Someone piped in that Sarah Palin had tried to ban the diary, in whatever version, from school libraries. That post got four updings and no downdings at the time I saw it.

    I googled and quickly found that Snopes (also not a Right site) had rated it bullshit.

    But the Cracked.com’s hipster audience desperately wanted to believe that Sarah Palin is a book-banner and possible anti-Semite. “She’s conservative! They’re all like that deep down!”, they think.


  26. 26 | March 11, 2013 1:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    Our public “education” system is ruining this country. Did you see the story I linked to the other day about illiteracy coming out of New Yorks “finest” public schools? Something like 80% of the graduates that go on to college require remediation. That of the College bound kids. If they are coming out of school illiterate, you can imagine what the illiteracy rate is among the kids that aren’t planning to go to college. But in New York they can’t fire teachers for much of anything. It’s a lovely racket for those that just want to coast through life, as so many of these “teachers” do. Think of the values system that these people are putting on display for the kids every day. Lovely.


  27. Lily
    27 | March 11, 2013 1:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Dear heavens the stupid was really strong with that whole election! I mean Benghazi so close to the election and obama still gets elected???
    We not only have a media that is basically nothing but propaganda but we have some really stupid people out there …can’t just look away from it..we have a stupid problem going on. Big Time!


  28. Lily
    28 | March 11, 2013 1:17 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    tfk new name for Obama.
    “Gypsie-In-Chief”
    Any one think this traveler will fix the holes in our roofs or borders?

    Nope but he will pocket the money.


  29. 29 | March 11, 2013 1:20 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It’s a lovely racket for those that just want to coast through life, as so many of these “teachers” do.

    The “rubber room” especially was a ticket to easy street. It sounded like all you had to do was to buy some ghey pr0n, get publicly seen reading it at the gym and (important!) call in the union.

    Life in blue-model cities is like South Park too much.


  30. RIX
    30 | March 11, 2013 1:23 pm

    Sharyl Attkisson @SharylAttkisson

    Today marks 6 months since the Benghazi attacks.
    2:15 PM -- 11 Mar 13
    52 RETWEETS 4 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite
    @ Twitchy

    Six months & still no answers.
    Heavily redacted documents & it’s pulling teeth to
    get then cleaned up & the survivors are still under
    wraps.
    This is the ultimate Imperial Presidency.


  31. 31 | March 11, 2013 1:23 pm

    @ Lily:

    You’ve got to feel sorry for Romney in a way. All his consultants told him that the unemployment number was going to kill Obama, and he believed them. Then when the FedGov pulled some jiggary-pokery with the numbers to get the unemployment “below” the magic number (it just required wiping people off the books that had run out of benefits If you aren’t looking for a job, you aren’t “unemployed”), he didn’t know how to respond. Never mind that the real unemployment number was over 10%. People believed what they wanted to believe. We’re in a recovery, damnit, no matter what the numbers show! And lo, the low info voters believes, and they turned out for the Black Jesus® and a miricle happened. Obama was re-elected with stats as bad as Roosevelt’s during the Great Depression.


  32. 32 | March 11, 2013 1:25 pm

    @ Zimriel:

    Yeah, if teachers were judged on what they produce, most of them would be out of a job. I regret the time I wasted in Public School. I should have done a GED when I was 13 and gone on to college. Oh, well. Life goes on.


  33. Lily
    33 | March 11, 2013 1:30 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Our public “education” system is ruining this country. Did you see the story I linked to the other day about illiteracy coming out of New Yorks “finest” public schools? Something like 80% of the graduates that go on to college require remediation. That of the College bound kids. If they are coming out of school illiterate, you can imagine what the illiteracy rate is among the kids that aren’t planning to go to college. But in New York they can’t fire teachers for much of anything. It’s a lovely racket for those that just want to coast through life, as so many of these “teachers” do. Think of the values system that these people are putting on display for the kids every day. Lovely.

    This is indeed a teacher problem and trust me the kids notice. My youngest son who has been out of High School for some time. Rebelled at the school for not teaching him!!! He said his math teacher tells them to work through pages 15 to 20 and then she would get on the computer and play games. His English teacher would send him to the office everyday because he didn’t have his book..he would have his book. He was learning NOTHING. I am not going to claim he was an angel I threw him into military school (worked big time). I can only imagine what it is now because this was around 2002 or 2003. You cannot imagine how much these teachers are NOT TEACHING!!! Remember the boy who filmed how biased his teacher was? Trust me our kids are rebelling at not being taught!!! I can only imagine what I have heard is only the tip of the ice berg.


  34. eaglesoars
    34 | March 11, 2013 1:36 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I can only imagine what I have heard is only the tip of the ice berg.

    not to mention the fools who confiscate toaster pastry chewed into the shape of a gun


  35. 35 | March 11, 2013 1:36 pm

    This is some good news;

    None of the witnesses at the condominium complex saw the beginning of the confrontation, and those that did see part of the confrontation tell seemingly contradictory stories — some insisting Martin was on top, some claiming it was likely Zimmerman.

    Witness 8′s alleged perjury puts the state in the odd position of having to possibly charge their best witness in the case with the crime of lying under oath, significantly damaging her credibility.

    This puts the state’s case against Zimmerman in a particularly precarious position. Legal experts including high-profile Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz have claimed from the beginning that there was no evidence to support a second-degree murder charge in the case, and have even gone so far as to claim that the prosecution of Zimmerman was entirely political.

    Social-justice activists such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were among those stirring the pot after the district attorney refused to bring charges against George Zimmerman. They raised both the profile of the case and inflamed African-American communities across Florida and across the nation, eventually creating the public furor that led Florida Governor Rick Scott to appoint a special prosecutor to take over the investigation.

    Neither Jackson nor Sharpton has responded to a PJ Media request for comment on the developments surrounding Witness 8′s alleged perjury and the viability of the overall case against George Zimmerman.

    Sharpton and Jackson, having stimulate the Obama Voters, will likely remain silent now, even if the case against Zimmerman is dismissed. The charges against Zimmerman are purely political. He’d have never been charged if Martin weren’t black.


  36. Lily
    36 | March 11, 2013 1:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Sharyl Attkisson @SharylAttkisson
    Today marks 6 months since the Benghazi attacks.
    2:15 PM — 11 Mar 13
    52 RETWEETS 4 FAVORITES ReplyRetweetFavorite
    @ Twitchy
    Six months & still no answers.
    Heavily redacted documents & it’s pulling teeth to
    get then cleaned up & the survivors are still under
    wraps.
    This is the ultimate Imperial Presidency.

    Obama has his fingers all over this…oh he can blame Hillary or whoever he wants but they were only doing his bidding. But shame on them for not exposing this fraud of a president and exposing his lies.


  37. 37 | March 11, 2013 1:38 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    One of the things an education is supposed to teach is critical thinking skills. Something theser administrators clearly lack themselves. I am certain that the kids notice, just as they notice when the athletes are allowed to beat the honor students up.


  38. Lily
    38 | March 11, 2013 1:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    You’ve got to feel sorry for Romney in a way. All his consultants told him that the unemployment number was going to kill Obama, and he believed them. Then when the FedGov pulled some jiggary-pokery with the numbers to get the unemployment “below” the magic number (it just required wiping people off the books that had run out of benefits If you aren’t looking for a job, you aren’t “unemployed”), he didn’t know how to respond. Never mind that the real unemployment number was over 10%. People believed what they wanted to believe. We’re in a recovery, damnit, no matter what the numbers show! And lo, the low info voters believes, and they turned out for the Black Jesus® and a miricle happened. Obama was re-elected with stats as bad as Roosevelt’s during the Great Depression.

    When I listened to Romney speak it came through how much he loved his country, how much of a good man he is. It really did. He did put up a fight. But we have to face the fact that it was obama he was running against…he was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. All obama would do is put out some more lies and rig the numbers and the clouds would open…people believed him. I am not going to blame Romney..I am going to blame the people who didn’t hold the MSM feets to the fire and not address the lies they were spewing out daily..they were honestly just another wing of obama’s re-election campaign…there were very few people at obama’s rallies..no matter obama went totally negative and the media went on and on about how negative Romney was running his campaign….to be honest I have never seen anything like it. Rigged from beginning to end it seemed.


  39. lobo91
    39 | March 11, 2013 1:49 pm

    Military Awards Bronze Star To Air Force Chaplain For PowerPoint On Islamic Sensitivity Training…

    I think the problem has gone beyond the eductaion industry…


  40. Lily
    40 | March 11, 2013 1:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Zimriel:
    Yeah, if teachers were judged on what they produce, most of them would be out of a job. I regret the time I wasted in Public School. I should have done a GED when I was 13 and gone on to college. Oh, well. Life goes on.

    When I was in High School there were a couple of bad teachers for sure but the system wasn’t as corrupted as it is today and I actually learned things..hey I could read and write, do my own taxes…actually get a job. Oh and I could also do a budget too. Didn’t mean my budget right out of high school was good. At least I could have a budget and keep it in the black. Plus people skills I learned too. I don’t regret High School. But I’m a little bit older than you.


  41. 41 | March 11, 2013 1:50 pm

    @ AZOlddog:

    Great Post!


  42. 42 | March 11, 2013 1:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The Education Industry led to this.


  43. 43 | March 11, 2013 1:51 pm

    Zimriel wrote:

    This article is great. This is why I come here. Thank you Dog + Blogmocracy editors.

    Thank you very much!


  44. eaglesoars
    44 | March 11, 2013 1:51 pm

    Well knock me over with a feather

    Hermann Goering’s brother may be recognised for saving Jews during Holocaust


  45. Lily
    45 | March 11, 2013 1:52 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    I can only imagine what I have heard is only the tip of the ice berg.
    not to mention the fools who confiscate toaster pastry chewed into the shape of a gun

    No kidding! Good grief is all I can say about that. Boys will be boys…Teachers now days come from the bottom of the barrel if this is what they are concerned with.


  46. eaglesoars
    46 | March 11, 2013 1:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Military Awards Bronze Star To Air Force Chaplain For PowerPoint On Islamic Sensitivity Training…

    I think the problem has gone beyond the eductaion industry…

    My understanding is that this award does not carry the “V” for valour. It’s just a politcally correct ‘atta boy’ that any connected punk can get.


  47. 47 | March 11, 2013 1:54 pm

    If only we could get together and find the points we agree on build that into our MCP software as Priority’s and build our own Bi-Directional Data Mining effort because until we do we will always be one step behind OFA

    !

    You nailed it right there! It does not help we have a Corrupt Consultant Class either that refuses to let new players come to the table.


  48. lobo91
    48 | March 11, 2013 1:55 pm

    @ Lily:

    Teachers now days come from the bottom of the barrel if this is what they are concerned with.

    The majority of public school teachers today do come from the bottom of the barrel educationally.

    There’s a reason that education majors are segregated into their own classes in college. It’s to keep the other students from seeing how dumb they are, and how worthless their program is.


  49. 49 | March 11, 2013 1:56 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    This does not shock me. Goering himself was personally not a Jew Hater. he went along with it for political reasons. This does not absolve him, but his brother’s actions do not shock me.


  50. eaglesoars
    50 | March 11, 2013 1:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Something theser administrators clearly lack themselves.

    Well, to a point. But I think the root of the problem is that some of these people are child abusers who became teachers for access to children they could torment w/impunity


  51. lobo91
    51 | March 11, 2013 1:59 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    My understanding is that this award does not carry the “V” for valour. It’s just a politcally correct ‘atta boy’ that any connected punk can get.

    The Bronze Star is frequently awarded as an end-of-tour award to senior officers and NCOs serving in a combat zone. It can also be awarded for a particular achievement during the tour, which appears to have been the case here.

    I really can’t see it, though. He should have received an Air Force Commendation Medal, not a Bronze Star (which he probably would have gotten at the end of his tour anyway).


  52. Lily
    52 | March 11, 2013 2:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Military Awards Bronze Star To Air Force Chaplain For PowerPoint On Islamic Sensitivity Training…
    I think the problem has gone beyond the eductaion industry…

    I do believe so. This is dangerous. But Christians are pushing back if some aren’t. A friend gave me this book to read…haven’t read it yet but I can only imagine….

    http://www.amazon.com/They-Fired-First-Shot-2012/dp/1878909266/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1363024783&sr=1-1&keywords=they+fired+the+first+shot+2012


  53. Lily
    53 | March 11, 2013 2:07 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Truth is stranger than fiction now isn’t it?


  54. taxfreekiller
    54 | March 11, 2013 2:08 pm

    The OFA needs a shit load of disinformation down loaded to them for free.


  55. eaglesoars
    55 | March 11, 2013 2:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    He should have received an Air Force Commendation Medal, not a Bronze Star (which he probably would have gotten at the end of his tour anyway).

    I’m no expert on military commendations/awards. I just saw that and emailed one of our active duty neighbors.


  56. lobo91
    56 | March 11, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It was too high an award for what he did.

    Of course, the Air Force has long been award-happy.


  57. 57 | March 11, 2013 2:11 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    It wouldn’t surprise me. I had a few good teachers in my school career, but most were pretty bottom of the barrel. Or, I say that, but I guess compared o what they have in New York City they were pretty good. Of course, I knew how to read before I went to school. I read voraciously all through my school career. I probably got more out of reading a book than I would have the class.


  58. 58 | March 11, 2013 2:11 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    The OFA needs a shit load of disinformation down loaded to them for free.

    Bingo! That is one of the flaws in OFA. A concerted disinformation campaign can throw them off.


  59. Lily
    59 | March 11, 2013 2:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Teachers now days come from the bottom of the barrel if this is what they are concerned with.
    The majority of public school teachers today do come from the bottom of the barrel educationally.
    There’s a reason that education majors are segregated into their own classes in college. It’s to keep the other students from seeing how dumb they are, and how worthless their program is.

    It is apparent how dumb they are…I mean calling cops on 7 year olds? They can’t even speak proper English…oh but we need to pay them more money to do an even worse job! When I was in school the bad teacher was the exception to the rule…now the good teacher is the exception to the rule.
    Through-out K-12 I did encounter a couple of bad teachers…but by no means all of them. Most were good teachers.


  60. lobo91
    60 | March 11, 2013 2:13 pm

    @ Lily:

    Becoming a teacher today is basically the easiest way to get into a “profession” that has guaranteed job security and a government pension.


  61. 61 | March 11, 2013 2:14 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    but I guess compared o what they have in New York City they were pretty good.

    You have no idea, its worse than you think it is. I do not wish NYC Public Schools on anyone.


  62. 62 | March 11, 2013 2:15 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Its just a paycheck for many.


  63. Lily
    63 | March 11, 2013 2:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    One of the things an education is supposed to teach is critical thinking skills. Something theser administrators clearly lack themselves. I am certain that the kids notice, just as they notice when the athletes are allowed to beat the honor students up.

    Now I can honestly say this did not happen when I was in High School. I am sure there were some who were bullied (never saw it happened) but all they had to do is go to the principal and it would be ended before the next day. Back when I went to school you didn’t want the school to call your parents..because one…you are in trouble big time…parents didn’t blame the school. You got in trouble. So not only were in trouble with parents but also at school. Thankfully I never had this problem. ;)


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | March 11, 2013 2:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Military Awards Bronze Star To Air Force Chaplain For PowerPoint On Islamic Sensitivity Training…
    I think the problem has gone beyond the eductaion industry…

    the damned professional officer corps neeeds to be destroyed and rebuilt. these turds are no longer leaders of men, they are bureaucrats protecting their sorry assed jobs.

    ltc west gets the boot for being a hero, now this.


  65. Lily
    65 | March 11, 2013 2:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Becoming a teacher today is basically the easiest way to get into a “profession” that has guaranteed job security and a government pension.

    Oh I can believe it. I had two sons go through the school system 4 years apart…and between the 4 years a lot changed. Everything was changing rather quickly. I can only imagine like I said what it is like now.


  66. Lily
    66 | March 11, 2013 2:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    but I guess compared o what they have in New York City they were pretty good.
    You have no idea, its worse than you think it is. I do not wish NYC Public Schools on anyone.

    I guess living in the South and in a small town had it’s perks. The school system was as horrible as people are saying it was …now once my kids got into High School I started to see changes and they weren’t good especially with my youngest son.


  67. 67 | March 11, 2013 2:24 pm

    @ Lily:

    While Conservatives were ranting and railing about Abortion, the Progressives were infiltrating schools. Silence and infiltration is the best way to enact change. The Right loves to scream, the Left loves to plot.


  68. Mars
    68 | March 11, 2013 2:24 pm

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ciandella/2013/03/11/networks-take-bite-out-mac-and-cheese
    On how many fronts can we fight this war? What most fail to realize is that the libs are fighting against the economy and the people of this country on over a hundred fronts at a time. At best conservatives are reactionary, reacting to whatever issue is pushed to the forefront.

    @ Lily:
    One of the reasons things are happening the way they are is because “anti-bullying” pushes in schools are not meant to protect the kids who are being bullied normally, it is a set of rules established to allow LGBT kids to be provided with an entire set of special rules that give them a protected status beyond that of other children.

    @ coldwarrior:
    The first time I was in the desert a high ranking NCO was involved in a rescue along with a couple of airmen. When the war ended he was awarded a Silver Star, as was all the other high ranking NCO’s in our unit. None of which were there except him. The airmen? They got squat.


  69. Lily
    69 | March 11, 2013 2:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    One of the things an education is supposed to teach is critical thinking skills. Something theser administrators clearly lack themselves. I am certain that the kids notice, just as they notice when the athletes are allowed to beat the honor students up.
    Now I can honestly say this did not happen when I was in High School. I am sure there were some who were bullied (never saw it happened) but all they had to do is go to the principal and it would be ended before the next day. Back when I went to school you didn’t want the school to call your parents..because one…you are in trouble big time…parents didn’t blame the school. You got in trouble. So not only were in trouble with parents but also at school. Thankfully I never had this problem.

    I’m talking High School here..not middle school or elementary…most certainly there was bullying in middle and elementary. By the time High School came around I didn’t see it like I did in the lower grades.


  70. coldwarrior
    70 | March 11, 2013 2:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ AZOlddog:
    Great Post!

    i’ll second that.

    well done


  71. 71 | March 11, 2013 2:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    NYC Public Schools was a caste system. Certain students were treated better than others. It was a nightmare to deal with.


  72. Lily
    72 | March 11, 2013 2:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    While Conservatives were ranting and railing about Abortion, the Progressives were infiltrating schools. Silence and infiltration is the best way to enact change. The Right loves to screw, the Left loves to plot.

    Oh I don’t doubt you….at all. I’m just glad I don’t have any kids in the school system anymore. Been awhile too. But I will have at least two grandchildren….we have offered up private school for them..but they are just babies right now.


  73. Mars
    73 | March 11, 2013 2:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    NYC Public Schools was a caste system. Certain students were treated better than others. It was a nightmare to deal with.

    Hate to burst your bubble. All schools esp high schools are like that.

    There are protected people in all schools, the children of the rich and politically connected are protected from harm and criticism and run wild over everyone else. Probably not coincidentally most of them are also the athletes and school government.


  74. coldwarrior
    74 | March 11, 2013 2:31 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The first time I was in the desert a high ranking NCO was involved in a rescue along with a couple of airmen. When the war ended he was awarded a Silver Star, as was all the other high ranking NCO’s in our unit. None of which were there except him. The airmen? They got squat.

    meh…the airmen were just doinf thie jobs. the senior NCO’s were the real heros! they led!

    /


  75. 75 | March 11, 2013 2:33 pm

    @ Mars:

    It was a nightmare.


  76. 76 | March 11, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ Lily:

    Catholic School is the best bet.


  77. Lily
    77 | March 11, 2013 2:34 pm

    @ Mars:

    As far as the Mac and Cheese…good grief! Really? An outdated story is picked up …makes me only hungry for some Mac and Cheese….yes a guilty pleasure!

    Oh I know the new anti-bully laws are slanted towards that…it’s a shame how they handle it now days. Back when I was in school it was taken care of by punishment at school and a phone call to the parents who also gave out their punishment. The bigger problem probably was getting the bullied student to go to the office or tell a parent.


  78. 78 | March 11, 2013 2:36 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    This is an example of how Hot Air is a propaganda blog.

    Report: Syria now using “Popular Committees,” a.k.a. militias, to carry out mass killings

    Hot Air of never has a headline about al-Qaeda in Syria and their attrocities. This is why I have no respect for that blog or other RNC Blogs. They are liars and propagandists.


  79. Mars
    79 | March 11, 2013 2:37 pm

    http://www.amazon.com/Caliphate-ebook/dp/B00ARPJDLA/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1363026882&sr=1-1&keywords=tom+kratman

    http://www.amazon.com/Desert-Called-Peace-Carrera-ebook/dp/B00B5HJOFY/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1363026882&sr=1-4&keywords=tom+kratman

    In other news, you can get these two INCREDIBLE books by Tom Kratman (he used to post on counter jihad threads back when the swamp had some sanity),free in ebook format.

    I’ve read Caliphate and part of Desert, and both are great. Caliphate is a pretty intense look at a future where the Caliphate controls the ME and most of Europe.

    Really an incredible deal for two great books by a good guy.


  80. coldwarrior
    80 | March 11, 2013 2:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    This is an example of how Hot Air is a propaganda blog.
    Report: Syria now using “Popular Committees,” a.k.a. militias, to carry out mass killings
    Hot Air of never has a headline about al-Qaeda in Syria and their attrocities. This is why I have no respect for that blog or other RNC Blogs. They are liars and propagandists.

    sounds like cambodia in the 70′s


  81. 81 | March 11, 2013 2:38 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Here is an example of brainwahsed reader at Hot AIr.

    Neither Obama nor Bush have caused this war. It is Obama who has failed to intervene in a decisive manner to remove Assad. The question now is how will this end and what does the future hold for the Syrian people? And, how will history judge Obama for inaction?

    SC.Charlie on March 11, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Yup, keep drinking the Neocon koolaid!


  82. Mars
    82 | March 11, 2013 2:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    The first time I was in the desert a high ranking NCO was involved in a rescue along with a couple of airmen. When the war ended he was awarded a Silver Star, as was all the other high ranking NCO’s in our unit. None of which were there except him. The airmen? They got squat.
    meh…the airmen were just doinf thie jobs. the senior NCO’s were the real heros! they led!
    /

    Yep even the ones who were sleeping at the time./


  83. 84 | March 11, 2013 2:40 pm

    @ Mars:

    I’ve read Caliphate and part of Desert, and both are great. Caliphate is a pretty intense look at a future where the Caliphate controls the ME and most of Europe.

    I like the answer in the form of the American Empire which controls most of the Americas and the Pacific! :evil:


  84. Lily
    85 | March 11, 2013 2:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    NYC Public Schools was a caste system. Certain students were treated better than others. It was a nightmare to deal with.

    Didn’t happen like that down here..there may have been teacher’s pets but not often. There were different types of cliques of students who hung around each other. I could name a few the popular cliques who were also teachers pets at times but there could be stoners in this group too, the stoners, jocks, etc… can’t remember all of them right now…damn it’s been a long time ago!


  85. 86 | March 11, 2013 2:40 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I wish I’d gone either to Catholic School or another private school. I’d even have taken military school. Public school was just awful. I often say that the only thing I learned in public school was to carry a knife. That is a bit of an overstatement, but not much of one.


  86. 87 | March 11, 2013 2:40 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Is Assad doing atrocities, sure. But so is al-Qaeda. Hot Air are a bunch of liars.


  87. Mars
    88 | March 11, 2013 2:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I’ve read Caliphate and part of Desert, and both are great. Caliphate is a pretty intense look at a future where the Caliphate controls the ME and most of Europe.
    I like the answer in the form of the American Empire which controls most of the Americas and the Pacific!

    It happened in Caliphate, but not quite the way we would prefer. Instead it is run by a LaRouche style totalitarian.


  88. 89 | March 11, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yes, but we can’t cut his budget! Because that’d be wrong… :roll:


  89. 90 | March 11, 2013 2:42 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I wish I’d gone either to Catholic School or another private school. I’d even have taken military school. Public school was just awful. I often say that the only thing I learned in public school was to carry a knife. That is a bit of an overstatement, but not much of one.

    I was in Catholic School until 8th Grade. Then due to financial difficulty, my Mom had to send me to Public HS. I was amazed at the BS they were teaching and the Caste system got me angry.


  90. 91 | March 11, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yes, it was a Fascist State.


  91. Lily
    92 | March 11, 2013 2:43 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    NYC Public Schools was a caste system. Certain students were treated better than others. It was a nightmare to deal with.
    Hate to burst your bubble. All schools esp high schools are like that.
    There are protected people in all schools, the children of the rich and politically connected are protected from harm and criticism and run wild over everyone else. Probably not coincidentally most of them are also the athletes and school government.

    I would go as far as to say that basically all high schools are caste in nature..but the popular students or jocks didn’t always run rough-shod over other students. There were poor or kids who came from average homes in the both the popular and jocks….


  92. coldwarrior
    93 | March 11, 2013 2:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Here is an example of brainwahsed reader at Hot AIr.
    Neither Obama nor Bush have caused this war. It is Obama who has failed to intervene in a decisive manner to remove Assad. The question now is how will this end and what does the future hold for the Syrian people? And, how will history judge Obama for inaction?
    SC.Charlie on March 11, 2013 at 2:19 PM
    Yup, keep drinking the Neocon koolaid!

    effing moron


  93. RIX
    94 | March 11, 2013 2:43 pm

    Obama has his fingers all over this…oh he can blame Hillary or whoever he wants but they were only doing his bidding. But shame on them for not exposing this fraud of a president and exposing his lies.
    @ Lily:

    Obama was AWOL. He gave his people their marching orders & then was
    not in contact
    What were his instructions & why did he disappear?


  94. 95 | March 11, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    This is what we are dealing with. They believe any garbage Neocons spew.


  95. coldwarrior
    96 | March 11, 2013 2:45 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Yep even the ones who were sleeping at the time./

    they got medals of honor


  96. Mars
    97 | March 11, 2013 2:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Yes, it was a Fascist State.

    Did you ever get to talk to Kratman over in the swamp?


  97. Lily
    98 | March 11, 2013 2:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Catholic School is the best bet.

    That is what we would like to send them to…but up to their parents. We’d foot the bill…you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. That is basically where we are at with it…who knows in a few years everything maybe different. Right they are wanting to home-school.


  98. 99 | March 11, 2013 2:47 pm

    @ Mars:

    Yes I did. He would pop up like 11 PM my time. Cool guy.


  99. Lily
    100 | March 11, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ Mars:

    I think I have the first one…need to read it. ;)


  100. coldwarrior
    101 | March 11, 2013 2:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    This is what we are dealing with. They believe any garbage Neocons spew.

    they can send their sons then to fight and die for the caliphate


  101. 102 | March 11, 2013 2:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    That’s anti-semitic of you. Arabs are Semites, so opposing fighting for the Caliphate makes you an anti-Semite!
    ////

    :lol:


  102. eaglesoars
    103 | March 11, 2013 2:51 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Public school was just awful.

    I’ll say. And I went to one of the top 10 high schools in the country

    Until I got thrown out.

    For trashing the VP’s office.

    Fuck her. She made my mother cry.

    LOVED the private school.


  103. Mars
    104 | March 11, 2013 2:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Catholic School is the best bet.
    That is what we would like to send them to…but up to their parents. We’d foot the bill…you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. That is basically where we are at with it…who knows in a few years everything maybe different. Right they are wanting to home-school.

    I’d like to send my kids to private school but I have an ex-wife to deal with. In fact she’s trying to force me to change the kids school to one closer to her house. I guess she still doesn’t quite grasp what “primary custodial parent” means.


  104. Lily
    105 | March 11, 2013 2:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Here is an example of brainwahsed reader at Hot AIr.
    Neither Obama nor Bush have caused this war. It is Obama who has failed to intervene in a decisive manner to remove Assad. The question now is how will this end and what does the future hold for the Syrian people? And, how will history judge Obama for inaction?
    SC.Charlie on March 11, 2013 at 2:19 PM
    Yup, keep drinking the Neocon koolaid!

    Hot Air has always had what shall I say some rather *elective* posters….it was there that I read that Catholic’s were Cross Worshippers. Never knew that.


  105. 106 | March 11, 2013 2:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Right they are wanting to home-school.

    Home school is good. Most home schooled children can out-perform even the best that public school givs them. And there are so many more resources nowadays than there used to be. I do lectures on DVD from the Teaching Company. Most of their stuff isnundergraduate level, but I know they have some more basic math courses. It’ll be a few years before they need that, though. Reading, writing, and mathematics. Those are the core skills that schools should teach, but they are failing miserably at that. OTOH, these kids all have great self-esteem! They all think they are little princes/princesses…


  106. coldwarrior
    107 | March 11, 2013 2:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    That’s anti-semitic of you. Arabs are Semites, so opposing fighting for the Caliphate makes you an anti-Semite!
    ////

    yep. thats me!
    im racist bigot too


  107. 108 | March 11, 2013 2:54 pm

    @ Lily:

    There are outright Bigots at the blog. I just go there for some of the stories. I also go see what the latets RNC propaganda.

    I have no use for it. SOme of our people post there too, which is cool with me. My beef is with the people who run Hot Air.


  108. Lily
    109 | March 11, 2013 2:54 pm

    @ lobo91:

    What a waste of money and really why aren’t New Yorkers pissed about this???


  109. coldwarrior
    110 | March 11, 2013 2:55 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Hot Air has always had what shall I say some rather *elective* posters….it was there that I read that Catholic’s were Cross Worshippers. Never knew that.

    hmmm…i never knew that!

    /


  110. Mars
    111 | March 11, 2013 2:55 pm

    The establishment of the caliphate is inevitable. Our best bet would have been to establish a “whack a mole” policy on the ME. Instead we have people in office who have contributed to the development of the caliphate, and a current administration that has taken off any form of restraint toward aiding them. The republicans have been bad but O’s people are a thousand times worse. And any on the right calling for intervention are just part of the left in my opinion.


  111. 112 | March 11, 2013 2:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s about feelings!
    ///


  112. Lily
    113 | March 11, 2013 2:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I wish I’d gone either to Catholic School or another private school. I’d even have taken military school. Public school was just awful. I often say that the only thing I learned in public school was to carry a knife. That is a bit of an overstatement, but not much of one.

    Did you go to school in big city?


  113. 114 | March 11, 2013 2:56 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The establishment of the caliphate is inevitable. Our best bet would have been to establish a “whack a mole” policy on the ME. Instead we have people in office who have contributed to the development of the caliphate, and a current administration that has taken off any form of restraint toward aiding them. The republicans have been bad but O’s people are a thousand times worse. And any on the right calling for intervention are just part of the left in my opinion.

    Wer have a winner!

    @ coldwarrior:

    Mars deserves an award!


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | March 11, 2013 2:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Nanny Bloomberg To Unleash Army Of City Health Inspectors Armed With 17-Ounce Measuring Cups To Enforce Big Gulp Ban…

    Since Bloomberg is an extremely short man, and supposedly somewhat sensitive about it, all the stores and restaurants which sell sodas should start calling the 8 oz. size (i.e., the half-pint) a “Bloomberg.”


  115. Mars
    116 | March 11, 2013 2:58 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Catholic School is the best bet.
    That is what we would like to send them to…but up to their parents. We’d foot the bill…you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. That is basically where we are at with it…who knows in a few years everything maybe different. Right they are wanting to home-school.

    I’d like to send my kids to private school but I have an ex-wife to deal with. In fact she’s trying to force me to change the kids school to one closer to her house. I guess she still doesn’t quite grasp what “primary custodial parent” means.

    Whoops actually meant to say I want to home school. Lol, mind flashed back to the preschool years I guess.


  116. eaglesoars
    117 | March 11, 2013 2:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Mars deserves an award!

    Bronze star!


  117. Lily
    118 | March 11, 2013 2:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama has his fingers all over this…oh he can blame Hillary or whoever he wants but they were only doing his bidding. But shame on them for not exposing this fraud of a president and exposing his lies.
    @ Lily:
    Obama was AWOL. He gave his people their marching orders & then was
    not in contact
    What were his instructions & why did he disappear?

    Excellent questions and I would really like some real answers…Don’t think I’ll ever see them though.


  118. coldwarrior
    119 | March 11, 2013 2:58 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The republicans have been bad but O’s people are a thousand times worse.

    are they?

    there were more christians displaced and killed under W than under 0. he and his effectively destroyed the caldean church in iraq.


  119. Alberta Oil Peon
    120 | March 11, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    How could anyone not believe that the Daily Currant is a satire site? It’s very name is a pun. Unless schooling has become so bad that few people can distinguish between “currant” and “current”?

    I want to plant a black currant bush in my garden, then a red one, and another black one, and so on. Then I can have alternating currants.


  120. eaglesoars
    121 | March 11, 2013 2:59 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Home school is good. Most home schooled children can out-perform even the best

    I don’t think I’d be a good home schooling mom. I’d be looking for KIPP probably


  121. brookly red
    122 | March 11, 2013 3:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I wish I’d gone either to Catholic School or another private school. I’d even have taken military school. Public school was just awful. I often say that the only thing I learned in public school was to carry a knife. That is a bit of an overstatement, but not much of one.

    Did you go to school in big city?

    at least in the Bronx we learned not only how to use the knife we even learned to make em in shop class


  122. coldwarrior
    123 | March 11, 2013 3:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Wer have a winner!

    its “einen seiger wir haben” not wer….

    :lol:


  123. Lily
    124 | March 11, 2013 3:01 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Catholic School is the best bet.
    That is what we would like to send them to…but up to their parents. We’d foot the bill…you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. That is basically where we are at with it…who knows in a few years everything maybe different. Right they are wanting to home-school.
    I’d like to send my kids to private school but I have an ex-wife to deal with. In fact she’s trying to force me to change the kids school to one closer to her house. I guess she still doesn’t quite grasp what “primary custodial parent” means.

    Apparently not. She doesn’t get the say so here. You do.


  124. brookly red
    125 | March 11, 2013 3:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Right they are wanting to home-school.

    Home school is good. Most home schooled children can out-perform even the best that public school givs them. And there are so many more resources nowadays than there used to be. I do lectures on DVD from the Teaching Company. Most of their stuff isnundergraduate level, but I know they have some more basic math courses. It’ll be a few years before they need that, though. Reading, writing, and mathematics. Those are the core skills that schools should teach, but they are failing miserably at that. OTOH, these kids all have great self-esteem! They all think they are little princes/princesses…

    I have often wondered why parents do co-op home schooling (as in get a building and start a big home school)


  125. eaglesoars
    126 | March 11, 2013 3:03 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    Then I can have alternating currants.

    AAAAAGGGHHH!!

    make it stop……..

    I think people’s reading attention spans have atrophied.

    I was taught to read when I was 3 (by a 7 yr old, believe it or not). But in about 3rd grade when our reading skills were beginning to be honed, we learned to take it by title, lead graph, etc. Examine everything and see how it fits.

    those people never even knew the site they were on


  126. Lily
    127 | March 11, 2013 3:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    LOL! I already see very healthy self-esteem in my older grand-daughter!
    It’s funny. The younger one is too young yet to tell. ;)


  127. Mars
    128 | March 11, 2013 3:05 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    The republicans have been bad but O’s people are a thousand times worse.
    are they?
    there were more christians displaced and killed under W than under 0. he and his effectively destroyed the caldean church in iraq.

    That is actually interesting info. I would have assumed that O’s actions in Libya and his enabling of the egyptians would have put him in the lead.

    What sucked about the whole Iraq situation is that we got involved originally to supposedly help Kuwait which as far as Islamics are concerned was somewhat westernized. We did this by going up against another somewhat westernized nation with Iraq. Later we on the ground found out we were actually there to protect Saudi which is not even close to westernized.

    Iraq was another case like Egypt, Libya, and the current situation in Syria. Yes, they were run by dictators, but at least they weren’t run by Al Qaeda. Now look at them.

    It was better when the whole ME was up in arms against each other. Now we are creating a situation where they are sympathetic to each other, this will lead directly into a Caliphate.


  128. Lily
    129 | March 11, 2013 3:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    There are outright Bigots at the blog. I just go there for some of the stories. I also go see what the latets RNC propaganda.
    I have no use for it. SOme of our people post there too, which is cool with me. My beef is with the people who run Hot Air.

    I haven’t been to Hot Air in a long time. Really anti-Catholic for sure.


  129. eaglesoars
    130 | March 11, 2013 3:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I have often wondered why parents do co-op home schooling (as in get a building and start a big home school)

    Around here they do -w/o the building (who needs THOSE headaches?) -- but there are lots of group work things going on


  130. 131 | March 11, 2013 3:06 pm

    @ Lily:

    Not really. High School was big, but it was Middle School where I learned to carry a knife.


  131. Lily
    132 | March 11, 2013 3:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Hot Air has always had what shall I say some rather *elective* posters….it was there that I read that Catholic’s were Cross Worshippers. Never knew that.
    hmmm…i never knew that!
    /

    LOL! I know ….it was meant as slur..I’m going like WTH?


  132. Mars
    133 | March 11, 2013 3:07 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Catholic School is the best bet.
    That is what we would like to send them to…but up to their parents. We’d foot the bill…you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. That is basically where we are at with it…who knows in a few years everything maybe different. Right they are wanting to home-school.
    I’d like to send my kids to private school but I have an ex-wife to deal with. In fact she’s trying to force me to change the kids school to one closer to her house. I guess she still doesn’t quite grasp what “primary custodial parent” means.
    Apparently not. She doesn’t get the say so here. You do.

    Not according to her, she still attempts to dictate every single little thing.

    The worst part, she sucks at parenting.


  133. buzzsawmonkey
    134 | March 11, 2013 3:08 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Middle School

    I had to leave Middle School because I was pursued by black riders, and couldn’t get any orc done. That was when I took up my hobbies.


  134. 135 | March 11, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    Many Hot Air posters are anti-Catholic, anti-Hispanic, anti-Russian and now anti-Asian. There was a thread the other day where the posters were trashing Chinese, Vitenamese, Filipinos and Koreans. It was really revolting.

    Funny thing is, they do not allow Islam/Muslim bashing over there.


  135. coldwarrior
    136 | March 11, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ Mars:

    500,000 iraqi christians killed, burned out, exiled, refugees.


  136. Lily
    137 | March 11, 2013 3:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Nanny Bloomberg To Unleash Army Of City Health Inspectors Armed With 17-Ounce Measuring Cups To Enforce Big Gulp Ban…
    Since Bloomberg is an extremely short man, and supposedly somewhat sensitive about it, all the stores and restaurants which sell sodas should start calling the 8 oz. size (i.e., the half-pint) a “Bloomberg.”

    Sounds good…I bet he is rather vain and this would really upset him.


  137. Mars
    138 | March 11, 2013 3:09 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
    Then I can have alternating currants.
    AAAAAGGGHHH!!
    make it stop……..
    I think people’s reading attention spans have atrophied.
    I was taught to read when I was 3 (by a 7 yr old, believe it or not). But in about 3rd grade when our reading skills were beginning to be honed, we learned to take it by title, lead graph, etc. Examine everything and see how it fits.
    those people never even knew the site they were on

    I was self taught before the age of two.


  138. eaglesoars
    139 | March 11, 2013 3:09 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Not according to her, she still attempts to dictate every single little thing.

    One thing I’ve seen work everytime -- find someone for her to date.


  139. brookly red
    140 | March 11, 2013 3:09 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    I have often wondered why parents do co-op home schooling (as in get a building and start a big home school)

    Around here they do -w/o the building (who needs THOSE headaches?) — but there are lots of group work things going on

    it only makes sense, (in NYC anyway) for the price of private schools pool your monies, rent a building, hire teachers…


  140. 141 | March 11, 2013 3:10 pm

    @ brookly red:

    No teacher’s union. There is, to, value in having true diversity of views. You don’t get that, though, in Public School. There is one Right Way, and that’s the Union Way, and God help those who don’t understand that.


  141. coldwarrior
    142 | March 11, 2013 3:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Many Hot AIr postsre are anti-Catholic, anti-Hispanic, anti-Russian and now anti-Asian. There was a thread the other day where the posters were trashing Chinese, Vitenamese, Filipinos and Koreans. It was really revolting.

    wait, leeme guess…ummmm, they are hindus? no wait…hindus only despise muzzies. umm maybe they are daoists? naaa, too upity.

    i cant image what sort of religion would allow this sort of behavior. maybe everyone owns a few too many white sheets.

    / not


  142. 143 | March 11, 2013 3:11 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Mars:
    500,000 iraqi christians killed, burned out, exiled, refugees.

    But W is a true Christian!
    ////


  143. eaglesoars
    144 | March 11, 2013 3:11 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I was self taught before the age of two.

    Did you watch TV? I’m told I learned a lot by watching the commercials with the text


  144. 145 | March 11, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    They ban you at Hot Air if you trash Islam or Muslims. Funny how that works.


  145. coldwarrior
    146 | March 11, 2013 3:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    it only makes sense, (in NYC anyway) for the price of private schools pool your monies, rent a building, hire teachers…

    bloomberg would shut that down RIGHT NOW!


  146. coldwarrior
    147 | March 11, 2013 3:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ Mars:
    500,000 iraqi christians killed, burned out, exiled, refugees.
    But W is a true Christian!
    ////

    bullshit.


  147. eaglesoars
    148 | March 11, 2013 3:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    hire teachers…

    In NYC would they be allowed to hire non-union?


  148. coldwarrior
    149 | March 11, 2013 3:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They ban you at Hot Air if you trash Islam or Muslims. Funny how that works.

    what? really? is grover norquist writing the checks for that joint?


  149. Mars
    150 | March 11, 2013 3:14 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Not according to her, she still attempts to dictate every single little thing.
    One thing I’ve seen work everytime — find someone for her to date.

    Nope she’s been in a “relationship” with her GF since six months before she ran away with her. The GF thinks she’s an even bigger childcare expert even though she’s mentally unstable and only has had a child for 3 years now.


  150. coldwarrior
    151 | March 11, 2013 3:15 pm

    HA!

    the link on drudge doesnt work but here is the headline!

    SEC accuses Ill. of lying about depleted pension funds…

    :lol:

    this is gonna be hysterical!


  151. Mars
    152 | March 11, 2013 3:15 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I was self taught before the age of two.
    Did you watch TV? I’m told I learned a lot by watching the commercials with the text

    Not really, but my kids and disabled nephews learned a lot of reading because of commercials and program lists.


  152. Lily
    153 | March 11, 2013 3:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Not really. High School was big, but it was Middle School where I learned to carry a knife.

    Wow really? Not surprised though…middle school is a very awkward time for a child. Like I said above…I saw more bullying in middle school and elementary. My High School was big too but small town.


  153. Lily
    154 | March 11, 2013 3:17 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Catholic School is the best bet.
    That is what we would like to send them to…but up to their parents. We’d foot the bill…you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. That is basically where we are at with it…who knows in a few years everything maybe different. Right they are wanting to home-school.
    I’d like to send my kids to private school but I have an ex-wife to deal with. In fact she’s trying to force me to change the kids school to one closer to her house. I guess she still doesn’t quite grasp what “primary custodial parent” means.
    Apparently not. She doesn’t get the say so here. You do.
    Not according to her, she still attempts to dictate every single little thing.
    The worst part, she sucks at parenting.

    Now that is bad!


  154. brookly red
    155 | March 11, 2013 3:18 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ eaglesoars:

    they do it private schools, and religious ones too… I am sure there would be push back but their are some folks in NYC with the monies to fight back


  155. Lily
    156 | March 11, 2013 3:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Many Hot Air posters are anti-Catholic, anti-Hispanic, anti-Russian and now anti-Asian. There was a thread the other day where the posters were trashing Chinese, Vitenamese, Filipinos and Koreans. It was really revolting.
    Funny thing is, they do not allow Islam/Muslim bashing over there.

    I’m not surprised to be honest. They can get a little out of hand and Allahpundant doesn’t do anything to stop it.


  156. coldwarrior
    157 | March 11, 2013 3:20 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Not really. High School was big, but it was Middle School where I learned to carry a knife.

    ddude! i used to leave my house at 0430 AM, walk through the neighborhood with a 30-30 deer rifle, walk THROUGH the school athletic fields and go hunt deer until school started. i would drop off the 30-30 at my buddies house (his mom would put it in the gun CASE, and i would pick it up and walk back home. ACROSS the athletic fields again in the middle of the afternoon

    no big deal.


  157. eaglesoars
    158 | March 11, 2013 3:20 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Nope she’s been in a “relationship” with her GF since six months before she ran away with her.

    Oh you told me that -- I forgot………


  158. brookly red
    159 | March 11, 2013 3:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    HA!

    the link on drudge doesnt work but here is the headline!

    SEC accuses Ill. of lying about depleted pension funds…

    hope it goes to trial… the discovery phase should be awesome!

    this is gonna be hysterical!


  159. brookly red
    160 | March 11, 2013 3:22 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Not really. High School was big, but it was Middle School where I learned to carry a knife.

    ddude! i used to leave my house at 0430 AM, walk through the neighborhood with a 30-30 deer rifles, walk THROUGH the school athletic fields and go hunt deer until school started. i would drop off the 30-30 at my buddies house (his mom would put it in the gun CASE, and i would pick it up and walk back home. ACROSS the athletic fields again in the middle of the afternoon

    no big deal.

    if you bagged a dear on the way to school would the lunch ladies dress & cook it for you?


  160. coldwarrior
    161 | March 11, 2013 3:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ eaglesoars:
    they do it private schools, and religious ones too… I am sure there would be push back but their are some folks in NYC with the monies to fight back

    true…true

    just have the parents claim they are an ethnic minority school and then there will be grants made!


  161. lobo91
    162 | March 11, 2013 3:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    But remember, guns are much more available today…
    //


  162. coldwarrior
    163 | March 11, 2013 3:23 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    if you bagged a dear on the way to school would the lunch ladies dress & cook it for you?

    the honest answer would be that the old ladies would probably have skinned it, dressed it and cooked it for the cafeteria!


  163. eaglesoars
    164 | March 11, 2013 3:23 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    HA!

    the link on drudge doesnt work but here is the headline!

    SEC accuses Ill. of lying about depleted pension funds…

    this is gonna be hysterical!

    I have no faith in the SEC. Madoff was handed to them on a platter for years and they still couldn’t find anything


  164. coldwarrior
    165 | March 11, 2013 3:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    But remember, guns are much more available today…
    //

    yes. yes they are.

    :lol:


  165. Lily
    166 | March 11, 2013 3:24 pm

    Mars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Not according to her, she still attempts to dictate every single little thing.
    One thing I’ve seen work everytime — find someone for her to date.
    Nope she’s been in a “relationship” with her GF since six months before she ran away with her. The GF thinks she’s an even bigger childcare expert even though she’s mentally unstable and only has had a child for 3 years now.

    Okay are you telling me they both have mental problems??? Whoa…I bet that works out real well…..


  166. lobo91
    168 | March 11, 2013 3:25 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Don’t tell anyone that you used to be able to buy guns from ads in magazines.


  167. coldwarrior
    169 | March 11, 2013 3:26 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I have no faith in the SEC. Madoff was handed to them on a platter for years and they still couldn’t find anything

    because they could not understand what he was doing. the agents were not so bright


  168. 170 | March 11, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Two words: Jon Corzine. Nothing is going to happen with the SEC and Illinois. Not with Obama in the White House.


  169. brookly red
    171 | March 11, 2013 3:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    if you bagged a dear on the way to school would the lunch ladies dress & cook it for you?

    the honest answer would be that the old ladies would probably have skinned it, dressed it and cooked it for the cafeteria!

    would you at least get the neck roast ?


  170. Lily
    172 | March 11, 2013 3:26 pm

    Mars wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    I was self taught before the age of two.
    Did you watch TV? I’m told I learned a lot by watching the commercials with the text
    Not really, but my kids and disabled nephews learned a lot of reading because of commercials and program lists.

    Me the Sunday comic’s….I stared at the words until I figured them out. I was determined. I wanted to read. Guess what I’m the only reader in my house and the only one who understands the feel and smell of a new book in your hand. Awesome!


  171. brookly red
    173 | March 11, 2013 3:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    Don’t tell anyone that you used to be able to buy guns from ads in magazines.

    I think that went away after JFK… no?


  172. coldwarrior
    174 | March 11, 2013 3:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Don’t tell anyone that you used to be able to buy guns from ads in magazines.

    shhhhh….


  173. lobo91
    175 | March 11, 2013 3:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Don’t tell anyone that you used to be able to buy guns from ads in magazines.
    I think that went away after JFK… no?

    1968


  174. coldwarrior
    176 | March 11, 2013 3:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    if you bagged a dear on the way to school would the lunch ladies dress & cook it for you?
    the honest answer would be that the old ladies would probably have skinned it, dressed it and cooked it for the cafeteria!

    would you at least get the neck roast ?

    and some back straps for jerky.


  175. brookly red
    177 | March 11, 2013 3:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    BREAKING: Judge Halts Nanny Bloomberg’s Big Gulp Ban…

    oh! that explains all the gun fire in the streets…


  176. 178 | March 11, 2013 3:30 pm

    @ brookly red:

    ’68 GCA. The Democrats have been at gun control for a very long time. They are patient after the manner of dedicated Socialists who don’t care about the timeline so long as they get their Utopia in the end.


  177. buzzsawmonkey
    179 | March 11, 2013 3:31 pm

    I went into a club down in old Soho
    And the bartender said, “we can’t serve you a big soda
    S-O-D-A, soda—
    Because we would risk forfeiting our license.”
    I asked him how come and he said, “It’s on Bloomberg’s orda
    O-R-D-A, orda…”

    Well, I’m not the world’s most political guy
    But when I heard him say that I just spit in his eye
    I wanted soda—a big cup of soda
    Well, I’m not dumb but I can’t understand
    Why the Mayor of New York just can’t keep his hands
    Off my soda—S-O-D-A, soda…


  178. Lily
    180 | March 11, 2013 3:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    BREAKING: Judge Halts Nanny Bloomberg’s Big Gulp Ban…

    Finally some common sense. Hey if you want a Big Gulp…why can’t you have it??? I’d tell the little midget of a mayor of New York you have to be oh 6 feet tall to be able to be mayor of New York..new rule.


  179. lobo91
    181 | March 11, 2013 3:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    ’68 GCA. The Democrats have been at gun control for a very long time. They are patient after the manner of dedicated Socialists who don’t care about the timeline so long as they get their Utopia in the end.

    Once in awhile, one of them lets the truth slip out:

    Dem Rep. Jan Schakowsky Admits Dems Want Ban On All Handguns, Assault Weapons Bill “Just The Beginning”…


  180. brookly red
    182 | March 11, 2013 3:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    BREAKING: Judge Halts Nanny Bloomberg’s Big Gulp Ban…

    Finally some common sense. Hey if you want a Big Gulp…why can’t you have it??? I’d tell the little midget of a mayor of New York you have to be oh 6 feet tall to be able to be mayor of New York..new rule.

    so the fucker would just stand on his wallet…


  181. brookly red
    183 | March 11, 2013 3:35 pm

    bbiab


  182. taxfreekiller
    184 | March 11, 2013 3:37 pm

    So, in the photo attached looks like Nancy PeeLowsea is working part time down in Mexico,, see in glasses to the left of nice legs person.

    Now on the other matter.

    If the borders can just be open long enough for this lady to get in the U.S. and end up in San Franciso, she would be just fine as a Nancy PeeLowsea replacement. Even I could stand for this lady talking the Nancy PeeLowsea nuto stuff.

    http://www.elimparcial.com/EdicionEnlinea/Notas/Nacional/09022013/668601.aspx


  183. Lily
    185 | March 11, 2013 3:39 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Excellent took me a second but prefert buzz!


  184. 186 | March 11, 2013 3:39 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, I saw that this morning. If they told the truth, they know that only about 30% of the population would be willing to go along with them, so they claim that they want someting “reasonable”. Everybody is fro “reasonable” things, right? And if you are against them, well, your being unreasonable! That’s how they like to couch the terms, anyway. I don’t buy into it. How reasonable was racial discrimination in the South in 1956? Gun control is about Civil Rights, too. There is no difference between racial segregation and gun control.


  185. Lily
    187 | March 11, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMF Perfect


  186. Lily
    188 | March 11, 2013 3:42 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    BREAKING: Judge Halts Nanny Bloomberg’s Big Gulp Ban…
    Finally some common sense. Hey if you want a Big Gulp…why can’t you have it??? I’d tell the little midget of a mayor of New York you have to be oh 6 feet tall to be able to be mayor of New York..new rule.
    so the fucker would just stand on his wallet…

    Nope …can’t use the wallet. Also new rule. ;)


  187. coldwarrior
    189 | March 11, 2013 3:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    BREAKING: Judge Halts Nanny Bloomberg’s Big Gulp Ban…
    Finally some common sense. Hey if you want a Big Gulp…why can’t you have it??? I’d tell the little midget of a mayor of New York you have to be oh 6 feet tall to be able to be mayor of New York..new rule.
    so the fucker would just stand on his wallet…
    Nope …can’t use the wallet. Also new rule.

    lily rules!

    :lol:


  188. heysoos
    190 | March 11, 2013 3:45 pm

    man I tell you…I have been chasing down a benefit for my mom from the Vet Administration…what was supposed have been a 72 hour thing is now a year…a fucking YEAR!…got a letter today which stated they need even more documents, stuff I don’t have, or doesn’t exist..I don’t even know how to find…I’m nearly at my wits end…I’ve gone thru the roof a bunch of times…I’ve talked to my lawyer, jumped thu so many hoops I’ve lost track…and I’m not a real patient guy…this is insane and I know others go thru this shit…it’s like a puzzle that you cannot put together…the only reason I keep pressing ahead is because I refuse to let them beat me…it’s not about money anymore…I’m gonna win out or die first…I hate the feds


  189. buzzsawmonkey
    191 | March 11, 2013 3:47 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    what was supposed have been a 72 hour thing is now a year…a fucking YEAR!…

    A year is 72 hours in government years when you’re trying to get them to do something.


  190. coldwarrior
    192 | March 11, 2013 3:49 pm

    @ heysoos:

    they are hoping to wear you down so you quit. classic tactic of bureaucracies. this is also a self-perpetuating behavior as it requires more bureaucrats to engage in this sort of tactic. essentially, when a bureaucracy does this, they are f*&$ing themsleves!


  191. coldwarrior
    193 | March 11, 2013 3:49 pm

    bbl.


  192. gizbot7
    194 | March 11, 2013 3:51 pm

    Question for all of you who know way more than I do:

    My brother (who lives in Anne Arundel County MD) received an “American Community Survey” using the Census (ie. required by law) as a cover. He is very upset because it is asking a boat load of questions that he feels (and I agree) are not constitutional. I have researched, but still have no clear answer as to what his legal standing to not complete the form may be. What says the gallery here?


  193. 195 | March 11, 2013 3:51 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ coldwarrior:

    Nixon Wished for Total Handgun Ban

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Few presidents in modern times have been as interested in gun control as Richard Nixon, of all people. He proposed ridding the market of Saturday night specials, contemplated banning handguns altogether and refused to pander to gun owners by feigning interest in their weapons.

    Several previously unreported Oval Office recordings and White House memos from the Nixon years show a conservative president who at times appeared willing to take on the National Rifle Association, a powerful gun lobby then as now, even as his aides worried about the political ramifications.

    “I don’t know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house,” Nixon said in a taped conversation with aides. “The kids usually kill themselves with it and so forth.” He asked why “can’t we go after handguns, period?”

    That great Conservative Nixon!
    //


  194. 196 | March 11, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    It could be OFA. It sounds like Data Mining.


  195. Lily
    197 | March 11, 2013 3:52 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    LOL!


  196. heysoos
    198 | March 11, 2013 3:53 pm

    @ gizbot7:
    throw it in the garbage…instantly, and anything else gets from them


  197. 199 | March 11, 2013 3:54 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Nixon was never a Conservative. Any student of history knows that. Wasn’t the Department of Education Nixon? That ties into the other sub-thread topic, how badly public education sucks…


  198. 200 | March 11, 2013 3:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Nixon was never a Conservative. Any student of history knows that. Wasn’t the Department of Education Nixon? That ties into the other sub-thread topic, how badly public education sucks…

    Nixon created the EPA as well.


  199. 201 | March 11, 2013 3:56 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    “I don’t know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house,” Nixon said in a taped conversation with aides. “The kids usually kill themselves with it and so forth.” He asked why “can’t we go after handguns, period?”

    Nixon didn’t live to see it, but the Supreme Court specifically said handguns in Heller. Handguns have been specifically protected. We’ll see what they do with an AR 15 when that comes before them.


  200. Lily
    202 | March 11, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Don’t quit. May take two years..but sooner or later they give…took us two years for my son who is the very definition of *disability*! Also took a lawyer and tons of paper work. In the end he got his disability. He would much rather work though. Mind is willing body isn’t giving.


  201. lobo91
    203 | March 11, 2013 3:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Nixon was never a Conservative. Any student of history knows that. Wasn’t the Department of Education Nixon? That ties into the other sub-thread topic, how badly public education sucks…

    Carter


  202. 204 | March 11, 2013 3:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ gizbot7:
    It could be OFA. It sounds like Data Mining.

    Man you do not know how correct you are.

    @gizbot7 We are outside the time window for the Census! In all probability this is in fact a Data Mining operation attempting to use color of law as a cover!

    I would throw the damn thing in the fireplace


  203. Lily
    205 | March 11, 2013 4:00 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    I have never heard of this ‘American Community Survey’ to be honest. And why would it be against the law to throw it away? Did he sign for it?
    Throw it away or answer everything unknown, n/a or he and his family are minorities just to mess with the federal governments heads…because they are all about the minority stuff. Big Time!


  204. lobo91
    206 | March 11, 2013 4:00 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    It’s legitimate, and failing to fill it out can subject you to a $5,000 fine.


  205. lobo91
    207 | March 11, 2013 4:01 pm

    @ AZOlddog:

    It’s what replaced the long-form Census forms for the past Census.


  206. Lily
    208 | March 11, 2013 4:02 pm

    AZOlddog wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ gizbot7:
    It could be OFA. It sounds like Data Mining.
    Man you do not know how correct you are.
    @gizbot7 We are outside the time window for the Census! In all probability this is in fact a Data Mining operation attempting to use color of law as a cover!
    I would throw the damn thing in the fireplace

    Yep if he didn’t sign for it…it got lost in the mail…the mail don’t run like they use to because of government cutbacks and all.


  207. 209 | March 11, 2013 4:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s a shame we are even arguing over this. GUNS are a Constitional Right, period.


  208. Da_Beerfreak
    210 | March 11, 2013 4:04 pm

    Deckchairs on the Titanic.

    Is America in Danger of a Federal Takeover of Our Elections?

    The Obama administration has appointed a bipartisan presidential commission with the stated purpose of recommending changes in election procedures supposedly to streamline our elections. No fewer than five bills to increase federal control over American elections have been filed in the 113th Congress. Even a cursory review of the five bills already proposed reveals an unconstitutional federal power grab over American elections. If these measures are passed, they would also result in a drastic reduction in the remaining electoral safeguards left in at least some of the states.

    The bills submitted so far:
    • HR 50 — Streamlined and Improved Methods at Polling Locations and Early Voting Act of 2013 (SIMPLE) submitted by George Miller (D-Calif.).

    This bill would force the states to implement early voting.

    • HR 280 — Same Day Registration Act of 2013 submitted by Keith Ellison (D-Minn.).

    This bill would force the states to implement same-day voter registration.

    • HR 281 — Voter Access Protection Act of 2013 submitted by Keith Ellison (D-Minn.).

    This bill would repeal all state laws that require photo ID for voting.

    • HR 289 — Value Our Time Elections Act of 2013 (VOTE) submitted by James Moran (D-Va.).

    This 50-page bill would expand the already unconstitutional Election Assistance Commission (EAC) gradually making it the federal bureaucracy that runs America’s elections.

    It would force the states to implement Internet voter registration and even allow digital signatures in voter registrations. It would also mandate that the states implement automatic voter registration, which is dangerously on the path to universal voter registration.

    Someone please wake up the GOPee before it’s too late…


  209. Lily
    211 | March 11, 2013 4:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ gizbot7:
    It’s legitimate, and failing to fill it out can subject you to a $5,000 fine.

    Really didn’t we just do a census?


  210. lobo91
    212 | March 11, 2013 4:04 pm

    American Community Survey


  211. eaglesoars
    213 | March 11, 2013 4:05 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    what was supposed have been a 72 hour thing is now a year…a fucking YEAR!…

    may I make a suggestion. I know you hate the feds, but sometime this actually works. Contact Tom Udall’s office (Heinrich would be my 2nd choice)


  212. 214 | March 11, 2013 4:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ AZOlddog:
    It’s what replaced the long-form Census forms for the past Census.

    You are quite right except for one point! The last census was over THREE years ago!

    Since we are in an Odd numbered year there should be NO LEGAL census activities going on! There are at least 5 Data Mining operations going that use mailers and forms that look ALMOST exactly like the legal forms.

    Burn the sucker and claim you never got it if ever questioned!


  213. Mars
    215 | March 11, 2013 4:06 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Deckchairs on the Titanic.
    Is America in Danger of a Federal Takeover of Our Elections?
    The Obama administration has appointed a bipartisan presidential commission with the stated purpose of recommending changes in election procedures supposedly to streamline our elections. No fewer than five bills to increase federal control over American elections have been filed in the 113th Congress. Even a cursory review of the five bills already proposed reveals an unconstitutional federal power grab over American elections. If these measures are passed, they would also result in a drastic reduction in the remaining electoral safeguards left in at least some of the states.
    The bills submitted so far:
    • HR 50 — Streamlined and Improved Methods at Polling Locations and Early Voting Act of 2013 (SIMPLE) submitted by George Miller (D-Calif.).
    This bill would force the states to implement early voting.
    • HR 280 — Same Day Registration Act of 2013 submitted by Keith Ellison (D-Minn.).
    This bill would force the states to implement same-day voter registration.
    • HR 281 — Voter Access Protection Act of 2013 submitted by Keith Ellison (D-Minn.).
    This bill would repeal all state laws that require photo ID for voting.
    • HR 289 — Value Our Time Elections Act of 2013 (VOTE) submitted by James Moran (D-Va.).
    This 50-page bill would expand the already unconstitutional Election Assistance Commission (EAC) gradually making it the federal bureaucracy that runs America’s elections.
    It would force the states to implement Internet voter registration and even allow digital signatures in voter registrations. It would also mandate that the states implement automatic voter registration, which is dangerously on the path to universal voter registration.
    Someone please wake up the GOPee before it’s too late…

    Interesting that 2 of the five are submitted by the mindless muslim.


  214. lobo91
    216 | March 11, 2013 4:06 pm

    @ Lily:

    Really didn’t we just do a census?

    In the past, a certain percentage of people got a “long form” Census form that asked much the same stuff. I got one in 2000.

    In 2010, they did away with the long form, and everyone just got the short ones. In its place, they’re sending this new form out to something like 250,000 households per month.


  215. lobo91
    217 | March 11, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ AZOlddog:

    You are quite right except for one point! The last census was over THREE years ago!

    See #216


  216. Lily
    218 | March 11, 2013 4:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Okay so how often do they do this?..I know I did it in 2010 myself.


  217. Mars
    219 | March 11, 2013 4:08 pm

    AZOlddog wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ AZOlddog:
    It’s what replaced the long-form Census forms for the past Census.

    You are quite right except for one point! The last census was over THREE years ago!
    Since we are in an Odd numbered year there should be NO LEGAL census activities going on! There are at least 5 Data Mining operations going that use mailers and forms that look ALMOST exactly like the legal forms.
    Burn the sucker and claim you never got it if ever questioned!

    From what I can see it’s sent out as a random sampling. So it can be sent anytime even outside the census window.

    Makes one wonder what else the feds have slipped in to grab information.


  218. heysoos
    220 | March 11, 2013 4:11 pm

    my 2000 census went straight to the garbage can…never heard a peep from them


  219. gizbot7
    221 | March 11, 2013 4:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ gizbot7:
    throw it in the garbage…instantly, and anything else gets from them

    I agree and would do the same. But, he is concerned regarding the part that says it’s required by law. He also said that he called his congressman and got his secretary on the line who told him to tear it up and throw it away. The problem is they are calling and harassing him and from what I have read they will even go to his house! The questions they ask on that thing are intrusive and unconstituional but they are doing it anyway. WTF????


  220. Lily
    222 | March 11, 2013 4:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Okay this is going to be new and rather personal if you ask me.

    •age
    •sex
    •race
    •family and relationships

    •income and benefits
    •health insurance
    •education
    •veteran status

    •disabilities
    •where you work and how you get there
    •where you live and how much you pay for some essentials


  221. lobo91
    223 | March 11, 2013 4:12 pm

    @ Mars:

    From what I can see it’s sent out as a random sampling. So it can be sent anytime even outside the census window.

    Makes one wonder what else the feds have slipped in to grab information.

    The only thing that’s changed is that instead of sending them all out at one time, they’re sending out a small number each month continuously.

    It does a couple of things. First, it prevents the basic Census data from being held up by people refusing to fill out the long forms, and second, it gives them more accurate information. Getting a small sample every month is better than one big sample every 10 years, the way things change today.


  222. Da_Beerfreak
    224 | March 11, 2013 4:12 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Deckchairs on the Titanic.
    Is America in Danger of a Federal Takeover of Our Elections?
    The Obama administration has appointed a bipartisan presidential commission with the stated purpose of recommending changes in election procedures supposedly to streamline our elections. No fewer than five bills to increase federal control over American elections have been filed in the 113th Congress. Even a cursory review of the five bills already proposed reveals an unconstitutional federal power grab over American elections. If these measures are passed, they would also result in a drastic reduction in the remaining electoral safeguards left in at least some of the states.
    The bills submitted so far:
    • HR 50 — Streamlined and Improved Methods at Polling Locations and Early Voting Act of 2013 (SIMPLE) submitted by George Miller (D-Calif.).
    This bill would force the states to implement early voting.
    • HR 280 — Same Day Registration Act of 2013 submitted by Keith Ellison (D-Minn.).
    This bill would force the states to implement same-day voter registration.
    • HR 281 — Voter Access Protection Act of 2013 submitted by Keith Ellison (D-Minn.).
    This bill would repeal all state laws that require photo ID for voting.
    • HR 289 — Value Our Time Elections Act of 2013 (VOTE) submitted by James Moran (D-Va.).
    This 50-page bill would expand the already unconstitutional Election Assistance Commission (EAC) gradually making it the federal bureaucracy that runs America’s elections.
    It would force the states to implement Internet voter registration and even allow digital signatures in voter registrations. It would also mandate that the states implement automatic voter registration, which is dangerously on the path to universal voter registration.
    Someone please wake up the GOPee before it’s too late…

    Interesting that 2 of the five are submitted by the mindless muslim.

    No surprise there. He wants to keep his seat in Congress…


  223. Lily
    225 | March 11, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    Like the questions in my comment 222?


  224. heysoos
    226 | March 11, 2013 4:13 pm

    @ gizbot7:
    the law is just a bunch of words…I’m the exact wrong person to even opine on this stuff at the moment…they can’t chase down everyone who doesn’t reply and I’m a gambler


  225. lobo91
    227 | March 11, 2013 4:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    I haven’t seen this new survey, but I did get the long form in 2000. It asks all sorts of stuff, even about pets.


  226. 228 | March 11, 2013 4:14 pm

    @ Mars:

    It is pure data mining.

    The American Community Survey (ACS) is an ongoing survey that provides data every year — giving communities the current information they need to plan investments and services. Information from the survey generates data that help determine how more than $400 billion in federal and state funds are distributed each year.

    Do nnot think OFA has people in the census.


  227. Lily
    229 | March 11, 2013 4:15 pm

    Mars wrote:

    AZOlddog wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ AZOlddog:
    It’s what replaced the long-form Census forms for the past Census.
    You are quite right except for one point! The last census was over THREE years ago!
    Since we are in an Odd numbered year there should be NO LEGAL census activities going on! There are at least 5 Data Mining operations going that use mailers and forms that look ALMOST exactly like the legal forms.
    Burn the sucker and claim you never got it if ever questioned!
    From what I can see it’s sent out as a random sampling. So it can be sent anytime even outside the census window.
    Makes one wonder what else the feds have slipped in to grab information.

    Looks like they can send it out every year.


  228. Mars
    230 | March 11, 2013 4:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    From what I can see it’s sent out as a random sampling. So it can be sent anytime even outside the census window.
    Makes one wonder what else the feds have slipped in to grab information.
    The only thing that’s changed is that instead of sending them all out at one time, they’re sending out a small number each month continuously.
    It does a couple of things. First, it prevents the basic Census data from being held up by people refusing to fill out the long forms, and second, it gives them more accurate information. Getting a small sample every month is better than one big sample every 10 years, the way things change today.

    Oh I agree it streamlines the process, but with this administration I think I’d be more concerned with why they changed it and who they plan on sharing it with.

    Like I said earlier, we are at war, the libs are attacking 100 different fronts at a time and we are only responding to one at a time.


  229. Lily
    231 | March 11, 2013 4:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I haven’t seen this new survey, but I did get the long form in 2000. It asks all sorts of stuff, even about pets.

    The last one I did was 2010 and I thought there were going to a lot of extremely intrusive questions not so bad…a couple of odd ones that was it. But from your link this one is qsking some very intrusive questions.


  230. Mars
    232 | March 11, 2013 4:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    It is pure data mining.
    The American Community Survey (ACS) is an ongoing survey that provides data every year — giving communities the current information they need to plan investments and services. Information from the survey generates data that help determine how more than $400 billion in federal and state funds are distributed each year.
    Do nnot think OFA has people in the census.

    Exactly, read my last.


  231. lobo91
    233 | March 11, 2013 4:19 pm

    @ Mars:

    Oh I agree it streamlines the process, but with this administration I think I’d be more concerned with why they changed it and who they plan on sharing it with.

    The aggregate data is publicly available. It’s on the Census Bureau website. I used data from the 1990 Census for my graduate degree.

    If you want to see how many households in a particular Census tract have cats, you can. It doesn’t tell you which houses have cats, though.


  232. buzzsawmonkey
    234 | March 11, 2013 4:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Do nnot think OFA has people in the census.

    Think again. Obama had a whole battery of temp census people hired; was using their temporary employment to lie about the jobs numbers during the 2010 election. There was some noise about his playing politics with the census at the time, too.


  233. Lily
    235 | March 11, 2013 4:20 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    They are calling and harassing him? Even though his Senator’s Sec. told him him to tear it up?


  234. lobo91
    236 | March 11, 2013 4:22 pm

    @ Lily:

    The last one I did was 2010 and I thought there were going to a lot of extremely intrusive questions not so bad…a couple of odd ones that was it. But from your link this one is qsking some very intrusive questions.

    I doubt that the questions have changed all that much. They’re just spreading out the time frame in which they’re asked.

    The way technology changes today, it makes sense. If they want to know the percentage of people who have iPads, for example, the answers today would be much different from what they were in 2000 (since they didn’t exist then).


  235. lobo91
    237 | March 11, 2013 4:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ gizbot7:
    They are calling and harassing him? Even though his Senator’s Sec. told him him to tear it up?

    They’re going to continue calling (and probably showing up at his door) until he fills it out.


  236. buzzsawmonkey
    238 | March 11, 2013 4:24 pm

    Workin’ in a data mine
    Takin’ it all down down
    Workin’ in a data mine
    I’ll put your facts down…


  237. Lily
    239 | March 11, 2013 4:25 pm

    @ lobo91:

    True but they want to know about relationships, how much you pay for essentials…..rather odd. From your link. Where you work and how you get there..


  238. lobo91
    240 | March 11, 2013 4:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    True but they want to know about relationships, how much you pay for essentials…..rather odd. From your link. Where you work and how you get there..

    Same stuff as before.


  239. buzzsawmonkey
    241 | March 11, 2013 4:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    They’re going to continue calling (and probably showing up at his door) until he fills it out.

    If that is the case, he can ask them for various identification to ensure that it is in fact something from the government.

    It’s not as though people don’t phish for data trying to pass themselves off as something else. It’s not as though OFA or some related outfit might not be trying to do that while giving the false impression that it’s a government initiative.

    It is kind of late in the season to be following up on a census that was done in 2010.


  240. 242 | March 11, 2013 4:27 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is how OFA got much of its data. OFA also probably got Stimulus money.


  241. Lily
    243 | March 11, 2013 4:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ gizbot7:
    They are calling and harassing him? Even though his Senator’s Sec. told him him to tear it up?
    They’re going to continue calling (and probably showing up at his door) until he fills it out.

    I would assume since he basically made a point of being noticed. He can fill it out whatever way he wants or say he sent it in the mail. If he doesn’t want to fill it out..he throw the dice and do that.
    Gizbot is saying there is some rather very intrusive questions on it that made call his Congressman. Apparently this one doesn’t have the random odd question..the whole thing is odd.


  242. lobo91
    244 | March 11, 2013 4:28 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It is kind of late in the season to be following up on a census that was done in 2010.

    It’s going to be a continuous project now. They’re sending them out monthly from now on, rather than all in one mass.


  243. buzzsawmonkey
    245 | March 11, 2013 4:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s going to be a continuous project now. They’re sending them out monthly from now on, rather than all in one mass.

    Since when? And under what authority? IIRC, the Constitution provides for a census every ten years, not for rolling data mining.

    I realize that the Constitution is just a pretty document that’s, you know, like a hundred years old or something, but still…


  244. 246 | March 11, 2013 4:32 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Yep did do some double checking and they are doing the random distribution by Executive Order what else!

    That being said, there are Data Mining Operations going on looking very look-alike mailers and forms.

    Thats why we are advising burn and shut up! Being as he has already raised his profile his best bet is to fill out the Demographic Info and N/A or blonk the rest!


  245. Lily
    247 | March 11, 2013 4:33 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    It’s going to be a continuous project now. They’re sending them out monthly from now on, rather than all in one mass.
    Since when? And under what authority? IIRC, the Constitution provides for a census every ten years, not for rolling data mining.
    I realize that the Constitution is just a pretty document that’s, you know, like a hundred years old or something, but still…

    So this is un-Constitutional?


  246. 248 | March 11, 2013 4:34 pm

    blank not blonk! PIMF even if you are at work and in a hurry! :(


  247. Lily
    249 | March 11, 2013 4:35 pm

    @ AZOlddog:

    Yep he has already caught their attention…n/a is the only way if he doesn’t want to answer the questions.


  248. lobo91
    250 | March 11, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Since when? And under what authority? IIRC, the Constitution provides for a census every ten years, not for rolling data mining.

    I don’t recall anything in the Constitution saying that they can’t do it, either.


  249. Lily
    251 | March 11, 2013 4:37 pm

    @ AZOlddog:

    An Executive Order by obama? So this just over-rides the only every 10 years census?


  250. eaglesoars
    252 | March 11, 2013 4:38 pm

    Bloomberg is going to appeal the soda ban takedown


  251. heysoos
    253 | March 11, 2013 4:39 pm

    bye bye privacy…
    just refuse to deal with it, make the feds prove it’s legality, defend yourself, go to jail…all they can do is kill you


  252. gizbot7
    254 | March 11, 2013 4:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Okay this is going to be new and rather personal if you ask me.

    •age
    •sex
    •race
    •family and relationships

    •income and benefits
    •health insurance
    •education
    •veteran status

    •disabilities
    •where you work and how you get there
    •where you live and how much you pay for some essentials

    Yes! Including:

    Housing:

    What describes best the type of housing you live in?
    When was it built?
    How many acres is it on?
    Were there any agricultural sales made from this property?
    Do you have access to the internet? If so, what kind?
    How many automobiles or trucks of one-ton compacity or less are kept at this house?
    Which fuel is used most for heating this house?
    What was your cost last month for heating this house?
    In the past 12 months,did any member of your house receive benefits from food stamps or SNAP?

    Personal

    What is your mortgage and taxes on this property?
    Do you have a second mortgage on this property?
    What grade level have these people (all listed in your home) attended?

    This thing is out of control.


  253. Da_Beerfreak
    255 | March 11, 2013 4:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    It’s going to be a continuous project now. They’re sending them out monthly from now on, rather than all in one mass.

    Since when? And under what authority? IIRC, the Constitution provides for a census every ten years, not for rolling data mining.

    I realize that the Constitution is just a pretty document that’s, you know, like a hundred years old or something, but still…

    It all depends on how Congress and the Courts define what Article I Section 2 Clause 3 of the Constitution means.


  254. yenta-fada
    256 | March 11, 2013 4:43 pm

    Just logged on and haven’t had a chance to read it. It’s a GREAT topic, so thanks for the Post.


  255. lobo91
    257 | March 11, 2013 4:43 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    Same questions they asked in 2000.


  256. Lily
    258 | March 11, 2013 4:46 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    I see a lot of n/a answers going on there. It’s more than just the average how many people live there and how they get to work. I don’t understand why the federal government NEEDS to know ALL of this. Does anyone?


  257. gizbot7
    259 | March 11, 2013 4:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ gizbot7:

    Same questions they asked in 2000.

    That was only the tip of the iceberg as I didn’t want to make my post too long. I respect your opinion and knowledge, so please tell me what you think about this letter:

    To Whom it May Concern,

    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.

    Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)

    “Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”

    Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.


  258. Lily
    260 | March 11, 2013 4:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Some are different from when they asked in 2010 lobo.


  259. 261 | March 11, 2013 4:47 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Bloomberg is going to appeal the soda ban takedown

    He’s really an asshole.


  260. Lily
    262 | March 11, 2013 4:51 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    I have no idea when my house was built and am not going through a ton of paperwork looking for that answer. Period. N/A


  261. Lily
    263 | March 11, 2013 4:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    Bloomberg is going to appeal the soda ban takedown
    He’s really an asshole.

    Why? It’s pointless. Oh wait..someone told him “no”.


  262. 264 | March 11, 2013 4:53 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Just logged on and haven’t had a chance to read it. It’s a GREAT topic, so thanks for the Post.

    OFA is much scarier than people realize.


  263. coldwarrior
    265 | March 11, 2013 4:54 pm

    AZOlddog wrote:

    Burn the sucker and claim you never got it if ever questioned!

    fill it out with false info.


  264. lobo91
    266 | March 11, 2013 4:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Some are different from when they asked in 2010 lobo.

    There was no long form Census in 2010. All they asked was the basic questions that year (number of residents, ages, etc.).


  265. Da_Beerfreak
    267 | March 11, 2013 4:55 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ gizbot7:

    I see a lot of n/a answers going on there. It’s more than just the average how many people live there and how they get to work. I don’t understand why the federal government NEEDS to know ALL of this. Does anyone?

    How Folks get to work has a lot to do with who gets the Transportation Grant Money from the FedGov. Same goes for other data that is used to figure out who gets the money from other FedGov programs…


  266. lobo91
    268 | March 11, 2013 4:55 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    I respect your opinion and knowledge, so please tell me what you think about this letter:

    I doubt that it will impress the minimum wage worker standing at the front door.


  267. lobo91
    269 | March 11, 2013 4:58 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    How Folks get to work has a lot to do with who gets the Transportation Grant Money from the FedGov. Same goes for other data that is used to figure out who gets the money from other FedGov programs…

    And a lot of it’s used by local governments for their own planning. It’s a lot easier to plan for where you need to build a new school if you can see that in 3 years, there are going to be a certain number of new students coming of age in a particular neighborhood.


  268. 270 | March 11, 2013 4:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    OFA is scary, but I think you give people too little credit. Sure it is scary, but what are we supposed to do? Run around screaming the sky is falling? It’s a bitch. We get that. We’re not going to give up, or go blow ourselves up for Allah. We still have children to feed, or in my case kittens to feed. We’re not going to just give up because the odds are long.


  269. Lily
    271 | March 11, 2013 4:58 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Okay..so I got the rather short form …like I said a couple of odd questions but that was all. Nothing like that. I’m trying to remember 2000′s census…I know I filled it out and don’t remember being disturbed by any questions…like how many cars? It would have been me who filled it out. But it’s been since 2000 over a decade and I must say this past decade hasn’t been a good one.


  270. heysoos
    272 | March 11, 2013 5:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    OFA is scary, but I think you give people too little credit. Sure it is scary, but what are we supposed to do? Run around screaming the sky is falling? It’s a bitch. We get that. We’re not going to give up, or go blow ourselves up for Allah. We still have children to feed, or in my case kittens to feed. We’re not going to just give up because the odds are long.

    hack em, shut them down


  271. lobo91
    273 | March 11, 2013 5:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Okay..so I got the rather short form …like I said a couple of odd questions but that was all. Nothing like that. I’m trying to remember 2000′s census…I know I filled it out and don’t remember being disturbed by any questions…like how many cars? It would have been me who filled it out. But it’s been since 2000 over a decade and I must say this past decade hasn’t been a good one.

    As I said, there was no long form in 2010. This new survey takes its place.

    As for 2000, you probably got the short form. Most people did. They distributed a certain number of long forms per Census tract. I happened to get one in 2000.


  272. yenta-fada
    274 | March 11, 2013 5:03 pm

    OT. A good essay on how the MSM doesn’t have to do fact checking because it controls the narrative. How does data mining allow you to do that? Not a criticism, but a question.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-10/guest-post-sequestration-and-death-mainstream-journalism


  273. Lily
    275 | March 11, 2013 5:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    OFA is scary, but I think you give people too little credit. Sure it is scary, but what are we supposed to do? Run around screaming the sky is falling? It’s a bitch. We get that. We’re not going to give up, or go blow ourselves up for Allah. We still have children to feed, or in my case kittens to feed. We’re not going to just give up because the odds are long.

    Bingo. I don’t see us giving up. It is just not in our DNA. Oh we will put up with a lot of crap …but once we have had our fill…we don’t just say no…it’s HELL NO! Just like on A&E the series THE BIBLE has record people watching it.


  274. lobo91
    276 | March 11, 2013 5:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The last thing I’m worried about is a survey from the Census Bureau, but that’s just me.

    I’m more concerned over things like how I’m going to pay my mortgage.


  275. 277 | March 11, 2013 5:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Sure it is scary, but what are we supposed to do?

    Look out for yourself and love ones. I do not have any answer and can only out out the information.


  276. lobo91
  277. 279 | March 11, 2013 5:09 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’ve given up. There is no serious opposition Party in America. The GOP are bunch of jokesters who care more about helping al-Qaeda take over Syria than defeating Obama.

    I’ll email you later my gripes with the GOP. There are some I do not write publically. But I’m done with them until they are serious.

    I just hold onto my faith and distract myself with the World Baseball Classic.


  278. Lily
    280 | March 11, 2013 5:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Okay..so I got the rather short form …like I said a couple of odd questions but that was all. Nothing like that. I’m trying to remember 2000′s census…I know I filled it out and don’t remember being disturbed by any questions…like how many cars? It would have been me who filled it out. But it’s been since 2000 over a decade and I must say this past decade hasn’t been a good one.
    As I said, there was no long form in 2010. This new survey takes its place.
    As for 2000, you probably got the short form. Most people did. They distributed a certain number of long forms per Census tract. I happened to get one in 2000.

    I gotcha now…no long form in 2010 and I know I got the short form in 2000 I don’t remember those types of questions.
    Thanks for clearing that up for me. I did not know if they sent out short forms in 2000. This new survey takes it’s place. So you have gotten a long form before and they ask you all types of questions?


  279. Lily
    281 | March 11, 2013 5:11 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Thank you for that answer Da_Beerfreak. :)


  280. 282 | March 11, 2013 5:12 pm

    New thread.


  281. 283 | March 11, 2013 5:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Sure it is scary, but what are we supposed to do?
    Look out for yourself and love ones. I do not have any answer and can only out out the information.

    The best thing we could do is get an Operation going from our side! However like Rodan I have pretty much given up on the Republican party!

    Hey, Rodan how about cc me on that e-mail! I would love to see if your gripes match mine! :)


  282. lobo91
    284 | March 11, 2013 5:15 pm

    @ Lily:

    Thanks for clearing that up for me. I did not know if they sent out short forms in 2000. This new survey takes it’s place. So you have gotten a long form before and they ask you all types of questions?

    In past years, 95% of people got the short form. In 2010, everyone got the short form, and they started this new survey to take the place of the long form.

    And yes, the questions on the 2000 long form were very similar. They’ve been doing them since the 1940 Census. Of course, they change somewhat from one version to the next. Obviously, they didn’t ask how many TV sets were in the house in 1940. They probably asked about radios.

    That’s one of the reasons for the new survey being done on a monthly basis instead of once every 10 years. They can update the questions more often to reflect changes in society.


  283. 285 | March 11, 2013 5:18 pm

    @ AZOlddog:

    Sure!


  284. gizbot7
    286 | March 11, 2013 5:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ gizbot7:

    I respect your opinion and knowledge, so please tell me what you think about this letter:

    I doubt that it will impress the minimum wage worker standing at the front door.

    Very true. That’s why A) I have looked into this on behalf of my brother (he’s not a big computer person) and B) I asked for the thoughts of people on this blog. I apologize if this is an issue, but you guys seem to know a lot about laws and therefore, collectively more than I do.


  285. lobo91
    287 | March 11, 2013 5:23 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    As a practical matter, I’m not sure that it’s worth the trouble to pursue. If your brother has lots of spare time to spend in court, and cash to hire lawyers, maybe he’ll get somewhere.


  286. Lily
    288 | March 11, 2013 5:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’ve given up. There is no serious opposition Party in America. The GOP are bunch of jokesters who care more about helping al-Qaeda take over Syria than defeating Obama.
    I’ll email you later my gripes with the GOP. There are some I do not write publically. But I’m done with them until they are serious.
    I just hold onto my faith and distract myself with the World Baseball Classic.

    Well sometimes you really have to do that. I often imagine what people were thinking in the 30′s and early 40′s when all hell was breaking loose…or during WWI and the horrible flu break-out that strangely attacked young people instead of the real young and the old..but the late teen and up to 40 people once they got it dead in 3 days. A very nasty flu. I wonder what it was like when our country was about to tear apart during the civil war and brother fought brother. This country has faced some horrible times before and it looked like the end was nigh…but you know what we are still here. Still hanging on…and the end was not nigh in the past.

    Tomorrow is the start of the conclave….tomorrow is the start of an interesting time…and the whole world is watching to see who the next Pope will be. Keep the Faith. There is nothing new under the sun.


  287. Da_Beerfreak
    289 | March 11, 2013 5:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama was AWOL. He gave his people their marching orders & then was not in contact What were his instructions & why did he disappear?

    If the U.S. Mission in Benghazi WAS shipping Libyan arms through Turkey to the anti-Syrian forces, then I would bet that the whole cover up is to protect Iran. Pro-Syrian forces would have had the most to gain by stopping the arms shipments to the anti-Syrian forces.


  288. Lily
    290 | March 11, 2013 5:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    The last thing I’m worried about is a survey from the Census Bureau, but that’s just me.
    I’m more concerned over things like how I’m going to pay my mortgage.

    See there is more important things…me what next will go wrong with me. My body is not well…hopefully it will get better.


  289. gizbot7
    291 | March 11, 2013 5:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    And yes, the questions on the 2000 long form were very similar. They’ve been doing them since the 1940 Census. Of course, they change somewhat from one version to the next. Obviously, they didn’t ask how many TV sets were in the house in 1940. They probably asked about radios.

    That’s one of the reasons for the new survey being done on a monthly basis instead of once every 10 years. They can update the questions more often to reflect changes in society.

    Hey look, I mean no harm and when I said I respect you Lobo, I meant it. But what I can’t understand is why you are defending this when you surely must realize how intrusive it is — and I’m not the only one saying so.

    http://www.redstate.com/conservativekaren/2012/05/07/the-american-community-survey-be-prepared/


  290. buzzsawmonkey
    292 | March 11, 2013 5:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    As a practical matter, I’m not sure that it’s worth the trouble to pursue. If your brother has lots of spare time to spend in court, and cash to hire lawyers, maybe he’ll get somewhere.

    He could talk to the ACLU—as long as he’s not trying to put a cross on public land, they might be interested. Or he could talk to some conservative foundation, which might be interested if a link can be shown between census data and a non-government group like OFA or ACORN (whatever it’s calling itself these days).


  291. Lily
    293 | March 11, 2013 5:31 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well I see your point. There were a lot of doom and gloom about the questions in 2010 and frankly they weren’t that bad.


  292. 294 | March 11, 2013 5:33 pm

    Lily wrote:

    . My body is not well…hopefully it will get better.

    Hopefully…


  293. lobo91
    295 | March 11, 2013 5:33 pm

    @ gizbot7:

    Hey look, I mean no harm and when I said I respect you Lobo, I meant it. But what I can’t understand is why you are defending this when you surely must realize how intrusive it is — and I’m not the only one saying so.

    I’m only “defending” it to the extent that I know that it’s not some nefarious plot that Obama invented. They’ve been asking the same types of questions since 1940.

    There were probably people complaining about it back then, too, claiming that FDR was spying on them.


  294. lobo91
    296 | March 11, 2013 5:35 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Well I see your point. There were a lot of doom and gloom about the questions in 2010 and frankly they weren’t that bad.

    I remember people complaining about the 2000 questions, as well.

    If I had to guess, people complained about them in 1990…1980…1970…1960…1950…and 1940, which is when they started asking them.


  295. lobo91
    297 | March 11, 2013 5:38 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He could talk to the ACLU—as long as he’s not trying to put a cross on public land, they might be interested. Or he could talk to some conservative foundation, which might be interested if a link can be shown between census data and a non-government group like OFA or ACORN (whatever it’s calling itself these days).

    That’s a big “if.” It’s already illegal for the individual data to be disclosed. Not sure how you’d prove it, though, without a whistleblower or something.


  296. 298 | March 11, 2013 5:40 pm

    @ Lily:

    We are on the verge of a one party dictaorship. Nothing is being done about it.

    All I have is my faith at this point. My faith in God, not a political party.


  297. Lily
    299 | March 11, 2013 5:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    . My body is not well…hopefully it will get better.
    Hopefully…

    2 steps forward …2 steps back. It’s annoying.


  298. 300 | March 11, 2013 5:42 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Not sure how you’d prove it, though, without a whistleblower or something

    Yup.


  299. Lily
    301 | March 11, 2013 5:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    We are on the verge of a one party dictaorship. Nothing is being done about it.
    All I have is my faith at this point. My faith in God, not a political party.

    I hear you Rodan that’s all I can depend on myself. Need to do a thread on that…it would also take your mind off how spine-less the Republicans are.


  300. lobo91
    302 | March 11, 2013 5:44 pm

    13 USC Sec. 214

    Whoever, being or having been an employee or staff member referred to in subchapter II of chapter 1 of this title, having taken and subscribed the oath of office, or having sworn to observe the limitations imposed by section 9 of this title, or whoever, being or having been a census liaison within the meaning of section 16 of this title, publishes or communicates any information, the disclosure of which is prohibited under the provisions of section 9 of this title, and which comes into his possession by reason of his being employed (or otherwise providing services) under the provisions of this title, shall be fined not more than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.


  301. gizbot7
    303 | March 11, 2013 6:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ gizbot7:

    Hey look, I mean no harm and when I said I respect you Lobo, I meant it. But what I can’t understand is why you are defending this when you surely must realize how intrusive it is — and I’m not the only one saying so.

    I’m only “defending” it to the extent that I know that it’s not some nefarious plot that Obama invented. They’ve been asking the same types of questions since 1940.

    There were probably people complaining about it back then, too, claiming that FDR was spying on them.

    Aw man, I never said Obama had anything to do with it. In fact, all I really know is that it was instituted a while ago but there was also a group of Republicans back around 2010 who tried to stop it (sort of). So no, I am not blaming Obama for everything or this — but it doesn’t make it okay. No matter how old the argument.


  302. 304 | March 11, 2013 9:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Since when? And under what authority? IIRC, the Constitution provides for a census every ten years, not for rolling data mining.
    I don’t recall anything in the Constitution saying that they can’t do it, either.

    The Constitution grants the authority to the federal government to count people for the specific purpose of determining how many representatives each state gets. That information is then turned over to the respective states to be used in apportioning congressional districts. Collecting more information than is needed to apportion congressional districts arguably goes beyond what the federal government is empowered to do in that regard.

    The federal government is not supposed to have or usurp any powers that are not specifically granted to it in the Constitution. There shouldn’t need to be anything specific in the Constitution forbidding the government from collecting more data than that, or engaging in whatever other abuses. It’s impossible to anticipate all the wrong things a governmental body might possibly do, so as to write prohibitions against each and every one of them into the Constitution.


  303. Da_Beerfreak
    305 | March 11, 2013 10:48 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    The Enumerated Powers are a list of items found in Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution that set forth the authoritative capacity of Congress. In summary, Congress may exercise the powers that the Constitution grants it, subject to explicit restrictions in the Bill of Rights and other protections in the Constitution. The Tenth Amendment states that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Too bad they went under the bus a long time ago…


  304. lobo91
    306 | March 11, 2013 11:25 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Too bad they went under the bus a long time ago…

    No kidding


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