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James Holmes goes Islamic

by Rodan ( 252 Comments › )
Filed under Islam, Islamic Supremacism, Islamic Terrorism, Islamists at March 22nd, 2013 - 11:30 am

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The founder of Islam 7th Century genocidal warlord Muhammad, was a sick man. He had seizures, hated dogs and loved killings. It is no coincident Islam attracts the lowest rungs of a society. It is an inherently violent political ideology based on slavery and domination. It comes as no surprise to me that the Aurora Colorado shooter has taken the Shahada.

James Holmes has now become a devout Muslim in jail. He recites the Koran and bangs his head on the floor 5 times a day. He was attarcted to islam so he can justify his murders.

James Holmes, the gunman behind the Dark Knight massacre in Colorado last July, has reportedly turned Muslim and prays five times a day.

The killer showed off a lengthy, thick beard during a court appearance earlier this month, and a prison source has claimed it is a symbol of his new-found faith.

The source said Holmes has turned to Islam as a way of justifying his horrific murder spree in an Aurora, Colorado cinema on July 20 which left 12 people dead and 58 people wounded.

‘He has brainwashed himself into believing he was on his own personal jihad and that his victims were infidels,’ a prison source told the National Enquirer.

He now prays five times a day, sticks to a strict Muslim diet and spends hours each day studying the Qur’an, the source said.

Islam is a political/religious system for mentally unstable people. For all we know, James Holmes could already have been a Muslim before the shooting and its only now the reports are surfacing about his ideology.  Whenever he converted, he did find the perfect system that justifies his actions.

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  1. 1 | March 22, 2013 11:38 am

    I would not be shock if he took the Shahada before the shooting.


  2. 2 | March 22, 2013 11:43 am

    @ Rodan:

    I wouldn’t be shocked if now that this monster is converting and claiming it was “Jihad,” the Oblahblah administration now classifies this tragedy as an episode of workplace violence.


  3. 3 | March 22, 2013 11:43 am

    If he had converted to Islam before the shooting, he probably would done a suicide bombing.


  4. texasam7
    4 | March 22, 2013 11:44 am

    @ Rodan:
    He knows how the game is played, so that puts him in the crazy but not stupid section.


  5. 5 | March 22, 2013 11:46 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I wouldn’t be shocked if now that this monster is converting and claiming it was “Jihad,” the Oblahblah administration now classifies this tragedy as an episode of workplace violence.

    Now that he is Muslim, this shooting will no longer be mentioned as a reason for gun control!


  6. 6 | March 22, 2013 11:47 am

    texasam7 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    He knows how the game is played, so that puts him in the crazy but not stupid section.

    That is very true. The funny part is if he goes to trial and claims he followed his religion, he might get aquited


  7. 7 | March 22, 2013 12:03 pm

    This clown will be a hero now.


  8. 8 | March 22, 2013 12:19 pm

    texasam7 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    He knows how the game is played, so that puts him in the crazy but not stupid section.

    My guess is that that is exactly what this move is about. He most likely converted just to stay alive. The odds that one of the people he killed or wounded not having a relative or friend in the prison he is in, is pretty small. People in prison are notorious for the very violent way they settle their disputes. It probably didn’t take very long for Holmes to discover that he was on someones hit list, and that having made that list, their is no amount of “Protective Custody” that could have kept him alive, what he needed was the protection of a very large and feared gang. Islam was probably his only chance and not being murdered in Prison.

    Oh, and good morning everyone, sorry for not making it to my thread yesterday, but I was busy taking advantage of a rare opportunity to earn a little cash.

    Sigh….. I have been forced by circumstances to revert back to doing side work as a landscaper. Something that I did to work my way through college, but thought that I would never have to do to earn a living again…


  9. 9 | March 22, 2013 12:23 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Ya gotta do what ya gotta do…


  10. 10 | March 22, 2013 12:25 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Not to mention that he gunned down a 6-year-old girl. Those who commit crimes against children are the lowest of the low in the prison hierarchy.

    I always thought a more fitting punishment for that dirtbag McVeigh would be to put him in Gen Pop and let the inmates have at him. The death penalty was too good for that slice of pond scum.


  11. 11 | March 22, 2013 12:43 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Not to mention that he gunned down a 6-year-old girl. Those who commit crimes against children are the lowest of the low in the prison hierarchy.

    Very true, prison inmates go after those who harm children with a vengeance that is genuinely frightening to behold. Having had a brother who was a repeat offender (yea, he had a thing about taking other peoples cars for a ride :shock: ) I have heard more times than I can say just how violently prison inmates respond to those who hurt children.

    From what I understand, their is a “Protocol” for what they do. It involves a slow but constant escalation of violence against the individual, the individual is assaulted over and over again, building each time in violence and severity with the intention being to terrorize that individual as much as possible before actually killing them.

    In other words, just killing them isn’t good enough, they want that individual to suffer profoundly before they finally die. Islam of course does not share American moral or ethical values regarding the treatment of children or women.


  12. 12 | March 22, 2013 12:43 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    That is a very good theory.


  13. 14 | March 22, 2013 12:47 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Israel bowed to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Is there anyone who will stand up to them?


  14. Moe Katz
    15 | March 22, 2013 12:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Israel bowed to the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Is there anyone who will stand up to them?

    Looks to me like Obama leaned on both sides while he was over there to patch it up. It’s in America’s strategic interest, after all…. but it stinks.


  15. MikeA
    16 | March 22, 2013 12:52 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Even criminals know that hurting children is wrong. For James Holmes, a quote from a favorite movie

    Hanging’s too good for him. Burning’s too good for him! He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!


  16. Lily
    17 | March 22, 2013 12:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I would not be shock if he took the Shahada before the shooting.

    Sometimes they take it also because they get special diets and privilges.


  17. 18 | March 22, 2013 12:55 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Israel looks really bad here in the Islamic world. They lost face and this means they will be respected less.


  18. Lily
    19 | March 22, 2013 12:56 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    texasam7 wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    He knows how the game is played, so that puts him in the crazy but not stupid section.
    My guess is that that is exactly what this move is about. He most likely converted just to stay alive. The odds that one of the people he killed or wounded not having a relative or friend in the prison he is in, is pretty small. People in prison are notorious for the very violent way they settle their disputes. It probably didn’t take very long for Holmes to discover that he was on someones hit list, and that having made that list, their is no amount of “Protective Custody” that could have kept him alive, what he needed was the protection of a very large and feared gang. Islam was probably his only chance and not being murdered in Prison.
    Oh, and good morning everyone, sorry for not making it to my thread yesterday, but I was busy taking advantage of a rare opportunity to earn a little cash.
    Sigh….. I have been forced by circumstances to revert back to doing side work as a landscaper. Something that I did to work my way through college, but thought that I would never have to do to earn a living again…

    You have nailed it on the head. Big time.


  19. Lily
    20 | March 22, 2013 12:57 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    You do what you gotta do….plus making things pretty is always a plus.


  20. darkwords
    21 | March 22, 2013 12:59 pm

    All insane shooters are muslims. If I was a lefty that would be my gun logic. I would be asking for registration and control of muslims.

    That they actually aren’t suggests the left is just hysterical in all its gun reactions and as troubled at the muslim shooter here.


  21. Lily
    22 | March 22, 2013 12:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    That is a very good theory.

    It is what goes on…a relative in corrections.


  22. Moe Katz
    23 | March 22, 2013 1:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Israel looks really bad here in the Islamic world. They lost face and this means they will be respected less.

    They don’t owe any apologies to anyone over the Mavi Marmara incident, but I think at this point they need Turkey more than Turkey needs them, and they were just looking for a groveling formula that they could swallow -- which O. arranged for them.


  23. Lily
    24 | March 22, 2013 1:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Israel bowed to the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Is there anyone who will stand up to them?

    I don’t think so. The world has gone completely nuts at this point in time. Was at Cardio Theraphy and my nurse who has a 4 year old was saying that her 4 year old even notices things aren’t right. Now that is sad.


  24. 25 | March 22, 2013 1:02 pm

    @ darkwords:

    It really looks bad when you look at the percentage of homicides that are comitted by black males as opposed to the percentage of th epopulation that are black males. But addressing that issue is touchy. Better to ignore it and hope it’ll go away. And in th emeantime use the homicide rate to push for gun control. Gun control won’t do anything to cut the homicide rate, but it’ll make Liberals sleep better.


  25. lobo91
    26 | March 22, 2013 1:03 pm

    Well, I’m back from the hunt.

    Not for animals…for ammo.

    I waited in line for about 30 minutes outside the local Dick’s Sporting Goods (and froze my ass off doing it) until they opened at 9:00. I was about 15th in line. All they got in was some 9mm and .22LR. By the time I got to the counter, all the 9mm was gone, and they were down to 2 325 round cans of .22LR. I bought one of them, and left the other for someone else. Unlike most of the people ahead of me, I decided to share.

    Once I got done there, I went to the Big 5 Sporting Goods near my house, which opens at 10. I got there about 9:20 and was the 10th person in line.

    That turned out to be a waste of time. All they got in was a couple of boxes of .380, some .44 Magnum, and some .410 shells.


  26. 27 | March 22, 2013 1:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Israel bowed to the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Is there anyone who will stand up to them?

    Sorry, having read the article I did not see any bowing. Israel and Turkey both needed a face saving gesture. That’s all this was,

    “Netanyahu said the “tragic results” were not intentional and Israel “expressed remorse” for the loss of life. He cited “operational mistakes.”


    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Friday that he had expressed regret during a phone call with his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. U.S. President Barack Obama helped arrange the call shortly before leaving Israel.

    My guess is this, Turkey and Israel have bigger problems than the “2009 Israeli naval raid on a Gaza-bound international flotilla incident”. They needed an excuse to let that incident die.

    Netanyahu did not apologize or accept any legal culpability, he only expressed regret, Erdogan without any doubt knew that that was what Netanyahu was doing, but he choose to accept that rather than demand an actual apology or any recriminations against Israel.

    The terrorists waging a so called civil war in Syria are as much a threat to Turkey as they are to Israel, Erdogan knows this, he also knows that he needs allies in the region against those terrorists, because if Syria falls to those Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood terrorists, then Turkey is next on their hit list of Islamic countries to overthrow.


  27. Lily
    28 | March 22, 2013 1:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    It really looks bad when you look at the percentage of homicides that are comitted by black males as opposed to the percentage of th epopulation that are black males. But addressing that issue is touchy. Better to ignore it and hope it’ll go away. And in th emeantime use the homicide rate to push for gun control. Gun control won’t do anything to cut the homicide rate, but it’ll make Liberals sleep better.

    Nope it isn’t going to reduce the homicide rate…if it does only a little. With a gun you can kill from a distance. But if you really are wanting to kill someone…there are other ways and methods.


  28. 29 | March 22, 2013 1:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yesterday, I came away from Gander Mountain with a can of .177 pellets. Which I admitedly did need. The resupply truck had come the day before.


  29. 30 | March 22, 2013 1:09 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Moe Katz:
    Israel looks really bad here in the Islamic world. They lost face and this means they will be respected less.

    They don’t owe any apologies to anyone over the Mavi Marmara incident, but I think at this point they need Turkey more than Turkey needs them, and they were just looking for a groveling formula that they could swallow — which O. arranged for them.

    You are right, Israel didn’t owe anyone an apology, and they did not apologize. Moreover right now, it is not a case of Israel needing Turkey more than Turkey needs Israel, if anything it’s the exact opposite, which is why Erdogan accepted Israel’s expressing “Regrets” rather than continuing the demand for an apology.


  30. Lily
    31 | March 22, 2013 1:10 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’m not hearing of any outages of ammo around here. Husband or son hasn’t said anything. But I could be wrong.


  31. 32 | March 22, 2013 1:11 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Israel thinsk it needs Turkey to control Al-Qaeda. They are in for a rude awakening.


  32. 33 | March 22, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Turkey is arming Al-Qaeda in Syria. They are allowing al-Nusra to set up control center in Turkey. Erdogan is AKP which is Muslim Brotherhood.


  33. 34 | March 22, 2013 1:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I’m not hearing of any outages of ammo around here. Husband or son hasn’t said anything. But I could be wrong.

    You’re wrong. It’s been a nation-wide fact of life for months now.


  34. Moe Katz
    35 | March 22, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Your analysis is nice. In support of your point, Turkey also needs some ties with Israel in order to play their traditional mediating role between the Jewish state and the Arabs, which they couldn’t do during the last Israel-Gaza conflict….


  35. 36 | March 22, 2013 1:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Israel thinsk it needs Turkey to control Al-Qaeda. They are in for a rude awakening.

    Like I said, I’m pretty sure you guys got this backwards.


  36. Lily
    37 | March 22, 2013 1:16 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    I’m not hearing of any outages of ammo around here. Husband or son hasn’t said anything. But I could be wrong.
    You’re wrong. It’s been a nation-wide fact of life for months now.

    I probably am … I just haven’t heard them complaining. But then again they may not complain to me about that issue.


  37. 38 | March 22, 2013 1:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    They might already have enough for their needs.


  38. lobo91
    39 | March 22, 2013 1:17 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yesterday, I came away from Gander Mountain with a can of .177 pellets. Which I admitedly did need. The resupply truck had come the day before.

    I was a little irritated with some of the people in line ahead of me. They were allowing people to buy 2 of any particular SKU. Most of the people ahead of me were couples, who each bought 2 bulk packs of everything that was available.

    No wonder there’s no pistol ammo available, when people are buying 2,000 rounds at a time like that.


  39. 40 | March 22, 2013 1:19 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Since December, my personal estimate of what constotutes “enough” has increased by a factor of 5, minimum, depending on caliber. And there’s millions of others who have come to the same conclusion. Hence the problem.


  40. Lily
    41 | March 22, 2013 1:20 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Lily:
    They might already have enough for their needs.

    I think that is what is going on. Because I did ask if hubby was low on ammo when lobo mentioned he was having a hard time buying and finding it…and he said no. But I do know he has been slowly stock-piling it over the past year or so. A little here…a little there…


  41. Lily
    42 | March 22, 2013 1:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Yesterday, I came away from Gander Mountain with a can of .177 pellets. Which I admitedly did need. The resupply truck had come the day before.
    I was a little irritated with some of the people in line ahead of me. They were allowing people to buy 2 of any particular SKU. Most of the people ahead of me were couples, who each bought 2 bulk packs of everything that was available.
    No wonder there’s no pistol ammo available, when people are buying 2,000 rounds at a time like that.

    Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2000 rounds at a time….yeah no my hubby buys either 50 rounds at a time or a 100 when he goes buying for it. That’s not right there.


  42. lobo91
    43 | March 22, 2013 1:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2000 rounds at a time….yeah no my hubby buys either 50 rounds at a time or a 100 when he goes buying for it. That’s not right there.

    I might order 500 or 1,000 rounds if I’m buying online, because of the shipping cost (small quantities aren’t worthwhile, because the shipping ends up costing as much as the product). I was more interested in .223 today, anyway, which nobody seems to have gotten.


  43. lobo91
    44 | March 22, 2013 1:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    The worst part is that most of the people in line today seem to make it a weekly trip. They go every Friday and buy as much as they’ll let them have.

    I think I’ve found the source of the shortage.


  44. 45 | March 22, 2013 1:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Turkey is arming Al-Qaeda in Syria. They are allowing al-Nusra to set up control center in Turkey. Erdogan is AKP which is Muslim Brotherhood.

    The important thing to understand is that “Erdogan is AKP” That is TURKISH Muslim Brotherhood, not Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey funneling arms to Syrian Al Qaeda is an alligator feeding tactic. By arming the Syrian Al Qaeda, they are hoping to prevent Al Qaeda coming to Turkey in the next wave of “Arab Spring” uprisings.

    There is a three way fight going on on the Arabian Peninsula, this fight is over who will rule the new Islamic Caliphate. The three antagonists are, 1) The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, 2) The Turkish Muslim Brotherhood (who believe that they are the rightful Heirs to the Ottoman Empire) and 3) the Iranian Mullahs (who believe that the 12th Iman is hiding in a Well in Iran, and that Iran was promised by Allah to be the seat of Islamic power in the New Caliphate)

    These facts have to be taken into account when analyzing what is going on on the Arabian Peninsula.


  45. 46 | March 22, 2013 1:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Lucky Gunner has 5.56, but it is nearly $1 a round. Way too much for my budget.


  46. 47 | March 22, 2013 1:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    When I went to Gander Mountain a few weeks back and had success, my objective was .22 LR. I found a 1000 round box of some Winchester plated 40 gr solids. I thought briefly of standing my ground and grabbing anything else I could, but there were another dozen nice folk waiting their turns, so I didn’t. Word is now that small shop owners are lined up every resupply day before opening, grabbing everything they cn get, then taking it back to their stores and doubling or tripling the price. And the Gander Mountain guys are not amused. What I was hoping to find yesterday was just a simple box (50 round) of 9 mm JHP for carry and maybe some decent price .30-06 ball for practice, if any such thing still exists. Okay, if there had been an abundance of .22 LR, maybe I would have copped a container of that as well, but not if people were fighting over it. I’m actually not that bad off, because I can’t get to the range that often. But a real family range day sure does deplete the supplies.


  47. 48 | March 22, 2013 1:29 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Our gun stores here will only allow the purchase of ONE pack of anything that’s available. Even my local Walmart will only allow you to purchase one bulk case of shotgun shells, and I used to wait for their “sales” (like that’ll ever happen) and get a couple of hundred-round boxes or 12 and 20 for trap shooting.

    What did you end up paying per round?


  48. 49 | March 22, 2013 1:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    90 cents/round in bulk (not counting shipping) to be exact. 120 % more than it was 4 months ago for the same rounds.


  49. lobo91
    50 | March 22, 2013 1:32 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    When I went to Gander Mountain a few weeks back and had success, my objective was .22 LR. I found a 1000 round box of some Winchester plated 40 gr solids. I thought briefly of standing my ground and grabbing anything else I could, but there were another dozen nice folk waiting their turns, so I didn’t.

    Exactly.

    If I’d just walked in there some afternoon and seen a few boxes on the shelf, I might have gotten more than one. But not when there are a dozen people standing in line behind me.

    Not everyone thinks that way, I guess.


  50. Lily
    51 | March 22, 2013 1:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The worst part is that most of the people in line today seem to make it a weekly trip. They go every Friday and buy as much as they’ll let them have.
    I think I’ve found the source of the shortage.

    I think so too. Damn I should have invested stock in ammo. WoW!


  51. brookly red
    52 | March 22, 2013 1:33 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Turkey is arming Al-Qaeda in Syria. They are allowing al-Nusra to set up control center in Turkey. Erdogan is AKP which is Muslim Brotherhood.

    The important thing to understand is that “Erdogan is AKP” That is TURKISH Muslim Brotherhood, not Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey funneling arms to Syrian Al Qaeda is an alligator feeding tactic. By arming the Syrian Al Qaeda, they are hoping to prevent Al Qaeda coming to Turkey in the next wave of “Arab Spring” uprisings.

    There is a three way fight going on on the Arabian Peninsula, this fight is over who will rule the new Islamic Caliphate. The three antagonists are, 1) The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, 2) The Turkish Muslim Brotherhood (who believe that they are the rightful Heirs to the Ottoman Empire) and 3) the Iranian Mullahs (who believe that the 12th Iman is hiding in a Well in Iran, and that Iran was promised by Allah to be the seat of Islamic power in the New Caliphate)

    These facts have to be taken into account when analyzing what is going on on the Arabian Peninsula.

    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.


  52. lobo91
    53 | March 22, 2013 1:34 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I only got a single 325 round can of .22LR, which was $19.99.

    With tax, that comes out to about 6.6 cents per round.


  53. Lily
    54 | March 22, 2013 1:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Lucky Gunner has 5.56, but it is nearly $1 a round. Way too much for my budget.

    Apparently American’s don’t trust the government now do they?


  54. Moe Katz
    55 | March 22, 2013 1:35 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.

    As do the Saudis.


  55. brookly red
    56 | March 22, 2013 1:35 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The worst part is that most of the people in line today seem to make it a weekly trip. They go every Friday and buy as much as they’ll let them have.
    I think I’ve found the source of the shortage.

    I think so too. Damn I should have invested stock in ammo. WoW!

    all those internet crazies telling people to buy gold and ammo don’t look so crazy now


  56. brookly red
    57 | March 22, 2013 1:37 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.

    As do the Saudis.

    well it’s their carcass the others are after in the first place… they have a lot of money I am surprised they have not nuked up yet, maybe they know something.


  57. Lily
    58 | March 22, 2013 1:38 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    When I went to Gander Mountain a few weeks back and had success, my objective was .22 LR. I found a 1000 round box of some Winchester plated 40 gr solids. I thought briefly of standing my ground and grabbing anything else I could, but there were another dozen nice folk waiting their turns, so I didn’t.
    Exactly.
    If I’d just walked in there some afternoon and seen a few boxes on the shelf, I might have gotten more than one. But not when there are a dozen people standing in line behind me.
    Not everyone thinks that way, I guess.

    People around here think that way….we are use to stocking up because of storms and not leaving others without. Different attitutde I suppose.


  58. Lily
    59 | March 22, 2013 1:40 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Lily:
    The worst part is that most of the people in line today seem to make it a weekly trip. They go every Friday and buy as much as they’ll let them have.
    I think I’ve found the source of the shortage.
    I think so too. Damn I should have invested stock in ammo. WoW!
    all those internet crazies telling people to buy gold and ammo don’t look so crazy now

    Certainly not on the ammo now…the Gold is too high to buy into now…and apparently ammo is too high to buy into now..always buy low sell low. Damn I missed the ship here.


  59. Lily
    60 | March 22, 2013 1:41 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.
    As do the Saudis.
    well it’s their carcass the others are after in the first place… they have a lot of money I am surprised they have not nuked up yet, maybe they know something.

    They will probably depend on us to help them….


  60. lobo91
    61 | March 22, 2013 1:42 pm

    Texas School System Teaching Students America Responsible For 9/11…

    Many parents check their children’s school work to make sure they’re getting good grades, but how often to you check the content of those lessons? One mother of a child in Flour Bluff ISD says when she did, she was shocked that lesson taught her son to blame the United States for the 9/11 attacks.

    Kara Sands posted the test on her facebook page and it began to spread like wildfire. The test covers content watched on a video in class. What bothered her most is question #3 on the test. It asks why the U.S. may be a target for terrorism. Her son chose the correct answer – ‘decisions we made in the United States that negatively impact people elsewhere.’


  61. brookly red
    62 | March 22, 2013 1:43 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.
    As do the Saudis.
    well it’s their carcass the others are after in the first place… they have a lot of money I am surprised they have not nuked up yet, maybe they know something.

    They will probably depend on us to help them….

    yes my point exactly, but they wouldn’t leave it to chance… if they are not nuking up (and they might secretly be) they they must know it’s a done deal.


  62. 63 | March 22, 2013 1:44 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Turkey is arming Al-Qaeda in Syria. They are allowing al-Nusra to set up control center in Turkey. Erdogan is AKP which is Muslim Brotherhood.
    The important thing to understand is that “Erdogan is AKP” That is TURKISH Muslim Brotherhood, not Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey funneling arms to Syrian Al Qaeda is an alligator feeding tactic. By arming the Syrian Al Qaeda, they are hoping to prevent Al Qaeda coming to Turkey in the next wave of “Arab Spring” uprisings.
    There is a three way fight going on on the Arabian Peninsula, this fight is over who will rule the new Islamic Caliphate. The three antagonists are, 1) The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, 2) The Turkish Muslim Brotherhood (who believe that they are the rightful Heirs to the Ottoman Empire) and 3) the Iranian Mullahs (who believe that the 12th Iman is hiding in a Well in Iran, and that Iran was promised by Allah to be the seat of Islamic power in the New Caliphate)
    These facts have to be taken into account when analyzing what is going on on the Arabian Peninsula.

    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.

    Not really, Israel is the one at most threat. Iran nuking Israel, would solidify Iran’s position as the seat of power for the new Islamic Caliphate. Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia would be prime candidates for Nuclear Blackmail. Turkey and Egypt far more so than Saudi Arabia, because while Iran is the home of Qom, Saudi Arabia is where Mecca and Medina are. Nuking Saudi Arabia would have devastating consequences for Iran. Consequences that nuking Egypt or Turkey would not carry.


  63. lobo91
    64 | March 22, 2013 1:44 pm

    @ Lily:

    Gold is only a worthwhile investment as long as the financial system is still intact.

    Nobody’s going to trade a chicken or a can of beans for a shiny piece of metal when the SHTF.


  64. Lily
    65 | March 22, 2013 1:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Lily:
    The worst part is that most of the people in line today seem to make it a weekly trip. They go every Friday and buy as much as they’ll let them have.
    I think I’ve found the source of the shortage.
    I think so too. Damn I should have invested stock in ammo. WoW!
    all those internet crazies telling people to buy gold and ammo don’t look so crazy now
    Certainly not on the ammo now…the Gold is too high to buy into now…and apparently ammo is too high to buy into now..always buy low sell low. Damn I missed the ship here.

    PIMF….buy low …sell high.. Darn keyboard. I hate it.


  65. lobo91
    66 | March 22, 2013 1:46 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Saudi Arabia’s a big country. Iran could take out Riyadh without harming Mecca or Medina much.


  66. Lily
    67 | March 22, 2013 1:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Texas School System Teaching Students America Responsible For 9/11…
    Many parents check their children’s school work to make sure they’re getting good grades, but how often to you check the content of those lessons? One mother of a child in Flour Bluff ISD says when she did, she was shocked that lesson taught her son to blame the United States for the 9/11 attacks.
    Kara Sands posted the test on her facebook page and it began to spread like wildfire. The test covers content watched on a video in class. What bothered her most is question #3 on the test. It asks why the U.S. may be a target for terrorism. Her son chose the correct answer – ‘decisions we made in the United States that negatively impact people elsewhere.’

    What???????? Really we as a nation have gone nuts!!!!


  67. 68 | March 22, 2013 1:47 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Moe Katz wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.
    As do the Saudis.
    well it’s their carcass the others are after in the first place… they have a lot of money I am surprised they have not nuked up yet, maybe they know something.
    They will probably depend on us to help them….

    Yup, mostly likely their strategy, or to very quietly request Israeli help via back channels. I.e., turn a blind eye to Israeli Air Force incursion of Saudi Air Space.


  68. lobo91
    69 | March 22, 2013 1:47 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMF….buy low …sell high.. Darn keyboard. I hate it.

    Unless you’re in the Obama administration.

    Then it’s “buy high, sell low.”


  69. brookly red
    70 | March 22, 2013 1:48 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Turkey is arming Al-Qaeda in Syria. They are allowing al-Nusra to set up control center in Turkey. Erdogan is AKP which is Muslim Brotherhood.
    The important thing to understand is that “Erdogan is AKP” That is TURKISH Muslim Brotherhood, not Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey funneling arms to Syrian Al Qaeda is an alligator feeding tactic. By arming the Syrian Al Qaeda, they are hoping to prevent Al Qaeda coming to Turkey in the next wave of “Arab Spring” uprisings.
    There is a three way fight going on on the Arabian Peninsula, this fight is over who will rule the new Islamic Caliphate. The three antagonists are, 1) The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, 2) The Turkish Muslim Brotherhood (who believe that they are the rightful Heirs to the Ottoman Empire) and 3) the Iranian Mullahs (who believe that the 12th Iman is hiding in a Well in Iran, and that Iran was promised by Allah to be the seat of Islamic power in the New Caliphate)
    These facts have to be taken into account when analyzing what is going on on the Arabian Peninsula.

    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.

    Not really, Israel is the one at most threat. Iran nuking Israel, would solidify Iran’s position as the seat of power for the new Islamic Caliphate. Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia would be prime candidates for Nuclear Blackmail. Turkey and Egypt far more so than Saudi Arabia, because while Iran is the home of Qom, Saudi Arabia is where Mecca and Medina are. Nuking Saudi Arabia would have devastating consequences for Iran. Consequences that nuking Egypt or Turkey would not carry.

    that all makes sense except that Israel would nuke back and the have 2nd strike capabilities… now Iran is crazy and might think it survivable to try but I don’t think it is.


  70. Lily
    71 | March 22, 2013 1:48 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Moe Katz wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.
    As do the Saudis.
    well it’s their carcass the others are after in the first place… they have a lot of money I am surprised they have not nuked up yet, maybe they know something.
    They will probably depend on us to help them….
    yes my point exactly, but they wouldn’t leave it to chance… if they are not nuking up (and they might secretly be) they they must know it’s a done deal.

    I saw on the Fox website yesterday we are giving Saudi tons of money when most of the terrorists that were in involved in 9/11 were Saudi’s. It’s crazy.


  71. lobo91
    72 | March 22, 2013 1:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    That’s pretty much the standard view on the left, after all.


  72. 73 | March 22, 2013 1:50 pm

    @ lobo91:

    We’re looking at almost a $1 a round for most calibers here in NorCal.


  73. brookly red
    74 | March 22, 2013 1:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    PIMF….buy low …sell high.. Darn keyboard. I hate it.

    Unless you’re in the Obama administration.

    Then it’s “buy high, sell low.”

    Then it’s buy high (with taxpayer money), sell low (to your buddies). Think GM…


  74. 75 | March 22, 2013 1:51 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    now Iran is crazy and might think it survivable

    Iran is crazier than that. Iran might try it and not give a rat’s ass if it is survivable. Khameni has said as much.


  75. Lily
    76 | March 22, 2013 1:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Gold is only a worthwhile investment as long as the financial system is still intact.
    Nobody’s going to trade a chicken or a can of beans for a shiny piece of metal when the SHTF.

    Yep…but ammo…is workable at least here and people will want it.


  76. lobo91
    77 | March 22, 2013 1:53 pm

    Brilliant idea:

    Pakistani firm whose chemicals were used to kill US troops seeks subsidy for Indiana plant

    A Pakistani fertilizer maker whose chemicals have been used in 80 percent of the roadside bombs that have killed and maimed American troops in Afghanistan is now seeking U.S. taxpayer subsidies in order to open a factory in Indiana.

    The request appears to be on hold pending further review, but the situation has stirred outrage in Congress, where some accuse the Pakistani government of halting efforts to clamp down on the bomb-making.

    For the past seven years, the U.S. government has known that the raw material calcium ammonium nitrate, or CAN, is making its way across the border into Afghanistan where the Taliban use it to fuel their most deadly weapons, namely the improvised explosive device. IEDs have long been the number one killer of U.S. and coalition troops.

    The material largely comes from Pakistani fertilizer maker the Fatima Group. But the Pakistani government has stymied attempts by the Pentagon to stop the flow of the fertilizer used in these homemade bombs, according to the director of military Joint IED Defeat Organization, Lt. Gen. Michael Barbero.


  77. lobo91
    78 | March 22, 2013 1:55 pm

    @ Lily:

    Ammo, food, fuel, seeds, water purification equipment, medical supplies all will have value.

    Gold and silver…not so much.


  78. Lily
    79 | March 22, 2013 1:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.


  79. 80 | March 22, 2013 1:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Saudi Arabia’s a big country. Iran could take out Riyadh without harming Mecca or Medina much.

    Physically yes, you are absolutely correct, however, the psychological impact would be devastating to a majority of the worlds Muslim population.


  80. brookly red
    81 | March 22, 2013 1:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Brilliant idea:

    Pakistani firm whose chemicals were used to kill US troops seeks subsidy for Indiana plant

    A Pakistani fertilizer maker whose chemicals have been used in 80 percent of the roadside bombs that have killed and maimed American troops in Afghanistan is now seeking U.S. taxpayer subsidies in order to open a factory in Indiana.

    The request appears to be on hold pending further review, but the situation has stirred outrage in Congress, where some accuse the Pakistani government of halting efforts to clamp down on the bomb-making.

    For the past seven years, the U.S. government has known that the raw material calcium ammonium nitrate, or CAN, is making its way across the border into Afghanistan where the Taliban use it to fuel their most deadly weapons, namely the improvised explosive device. IEDs have long been the number one killer of U.S. and coalition troops.

    The material largely comes from Pakistani fertilizer maker the Fatima Group. But the Pakistani government has stymied attempts by the Pentagon to stop the flow of the fertilizer used in these homemade bombs, according to the director of military Joint IED Defeat Organization, Lt. Gen. Michael Barbero.

    heh, lets set the lefties in them it’s not organic fertilizer


  81. 82 | March 22, 2013 1:57 pm

    @ Lily:

    You want to really need to control your fists? Read the comments at the source site from the most blithely idiotic liberal dirtbags on the web agreeing with the school.


  82. brookly red
    83 | March 22, 2013 1:57 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heh, lets set the lefties in them it’s not organic fertilizer

    hey if they are gonna be useful idiots we might as well use em too :)


  83. Lily
    84 | March 22, 2013 1:58 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    Moe Katz wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.
    As do the Saudis.
    well it’s their carcass the others are after in the first place… they have a lot of money I am surprised they have not nuked up yet, maybe they know something.
    They will probably depend on us to help them….
    Yup, mostly likely their strategy, or to very quietly request Israeli help via back channels. I.e., turn a blind eye to Israeli Air Force incursion of Saudi Air Space.

    Yep probably use both countries…just to be safe. The two countries you really don’t want to mess with…although 9/11 has turn a lot of our people into drooling idiots. Unbelievable.


  84. buzzsawmonkey
    85 | March 22, 2013 1:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Ammo, food, fuel, seeds, water purification equipment, medical supplies all will have value.

    Gold and silver…not so much.

    The advantage of gold and silver is that they provide a neutral medium for exchange. That is how they became currencies in the first place. Our current money is basically symbolic substitutes for gold and silver.

    Gold and silver may not have the immediate “value” of cartridges in Obama disaster world. But they will remain a neutral medium against which cartridges can be valued.


  85. Lily
    86 | March 22, 2013 1:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    PIMF….buy low …sell high.. Darn keyboard. I hate it.
    Unless you’re in the Obama administration.
    Then it’s “buy high, sell low.”

    True and his keyboard doesn’t hate him either. That is so wrong to be honest.


  86. 87 | March 22, 2013 2:00 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Turkey is arming Al-Qaeda in Syria. They are allowing al-Nusra to set up control center in Turkey. Erdogan is AKP which is Muslim Brotherhood.
    The important thing to understand is that “Erdogan is AKP” That is TURKISH Muslim Brotherhood, not Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey funneling arms to Syrian Al Qaeda is an alligator feeding tactic. By arming the Syrian Al Qaeda, they are hoping to prevent Al Qaeda coming to Turkey in the next wave of “Arab Spring” uprisings.
    There is a three way fight going on on the Arabian Peninsula, this fight is over who will rule the new Islamic Caliphate. The three antagonists are, 1) The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, 2) The Turkish Muslim Brotherhood (who believe that they are the rightful Heirs to the Ottoman Empire) and 3) the Iranian Mullahs (who believe that the 12th Iman is hiding in a Well in Iran, and that Iran was promised by Allah to be the seat of Islamic power in the New Caliphate)
    These facts have to be taken into account when analyzing what is going on on the Arabian Peninsula.
    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.
    Not really, Israel is the one at most threat. Iran nuking Israel, would solidify Iran’s position as the seat of power for the new Islamic Caliphate. Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia would be prime candidates for Nuclear Blackmail. Turkey and Egypt far more so than Saudi Arabia, because while Iran is the home of Qom, Saudi Arabia is where Mecca and Medina are. Nuking Saudi Arabia would have devastating consequences for Iran. Consequences that nuking Egypt or Turkey would not carry.

    that all makes sense except that Israel would nuke back and the have 2nd strike capabilities… now Iran is crazy and might think it survivable to try but I don’t think it is.

    The Iranian strategy is not predicated upon Iran surviving a nuclear exchange with Israel, but upon Allah directly intervening. The Iranian Mullahs believe that Allah will protect them because they will being the hand of Allah himself.

    Yes, Israel has both first and second strike capabilities, and an Iranian strike on Israel would absolutely guarantee the compete and total destruction of Iran.


  87. Lily
    88 | March 22, 2013 2:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    That’s pretty much the standard view on the left, after all.

    I’m related to some of them…they are nutz. They don’t make sense and the worst thing and nail in the coffin part they have no sense of humor either! It’s like damn get a grip. You’ve lost it so make fun of it. Or you can really rile them up and ask, “how many people point at you and laugh? And do you know why?” Let me enlighten you then.


  88. brookly red
    89 | March 22, 2013 2:05 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    The Iranian strategy is not predicated upon Iran surviving a nuclear exchange with Israel, but upon Allah directly intervening. The Iranian Mullahs believe that Allah will protect them because they will being the hand of Allah himself.

    Yes, Israel has both first and second strike capabilities, and an Iranian strike on Israel would absolutely guarantee the compete and total destruction of Iran.

    there are a lot of ways it could play out, the best way is if Iran never gets the bomb of course.


  89. MikeA
    91 | March 22, 2013 2:09 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Hey, there is a chance that allah might interfere. Then again, the easter bunny and a unicorn might intervene….


  90. 92 | March 22, 2013 2:10 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Only Obama can stop that, and he has made it plain that he has no intention of doing anything of the sort. By his actions, he wants Iran to get atomic weapons. And it is a short step from Iran getting them to Iran using them. I am certain that Obama knows that as well.


  91. Lily
    93 | March 22, 2013 2:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    water purification equipment

    Not a problem here it rains a lot. A whole lot.
    They also used back in the day around here something like a water tower to gather the water.
    /but I hope it doesn’t come to that. I really don’t.


  92. brookly red
    94 | March 22, 2013 2:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Only Obama can stop that, and he has made it plain that he has no intention of doing anything of the sort. By his actions, he wants Iran to get atomic weapons. And it is a short step from Iran getting them to Iran using them. I am certain that Obama knows that as well.

    Israel is the only wild card in the deck


  93. 95 | March 22, 2013 2:14 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    You know what is wat work here. The Lebanese Christiasn are supporting Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. They are doing this to survive. Israel sees the MB/AQ are taking over countries. They are trying to get in the good graces of the Caliphate. They have to live in the region, we do not. So they are doing what’s in their interest even if it does not make sense to us.

    I do not like it, but I do not live in Israel nor Lebanon.


  94. Lily
    96 | March 22, 2013 2:14 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    You want to really need to control your fists? Read the comments at the source site from the most blithely idiotic liberal dirtbags on the web agreeing with the school.

    What??? They agree with the school? CG you want to give me another headache today by reading idiots comments don’t you? ;)

    The only thing I’m glad is where I live. I don’t hear that crap. In fact I hear obama on that station I’m changing it no one wants to hear that!


  95. lobo91
    97 | March 22, 2013 2:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.

    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.

    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.


  96. Lily
    98 | March 22, 2013 2:16 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Oh and as far as fists make sure you wear big rings..then run. I’m little …but big rings will stun them good.


  97. Lily
    99 | March 22, 2013 2:19 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    (no comment needed) http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/22/despite-sequester-obama-designate-five-national-mo/

    Really???? Dude spends money like water runs through your hand.


  98. 100 | March 22, 2013 2:20 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    The Iranian strategy is not predicated upon Iran surviving a nuclear exchange with Israel, but upon Allah directly intervening. The Iranian Mullahs believe that Allah will protect them because they will being the hand of Allah himself.
    Yes, Israel has both first and second strike capabilities, and an Iranian strike on Israel would absolutely guarantee the compete and total destruction of Iran.
    there are a lot of ways it could play out, the best way is if Iran never gets the bomb of course.

    Personally I believe that the best way it could play out is if Iran were turned into a Giant Mushroom farm just days before they could complete their first nuclear weapon.


  99. lobo91
    101 | March 22, 2013 2:20 pm

    Tingles Gives His Audience Capitol Switchboard Number To “Get A Hold Of Your Senator” To Push For Gun Control…

    Chris Matthews’ liberal activism reached new heights on March 22 surrounding his push for greater gun control legislation. Speaking during the opening segment for Hardball, Matthews provided his audience with email addresses and phone numbers to members of Congress.

    I doubt that the 15 people who watch his show are going to accomplish much.

    And I’m pretty sure that the vast majority of the calls on that topic to the Capitol switchboard are on the other side, anyway.


  100. brookly red
    102 | March 22, 2013 2:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.

    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.

    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.

    I am surprised we are not seeing foreign made ammo being smuggled into the country and sold black market, there certainly is a demand.


  101. Lily
    103 | March 22, 2013 2:21 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Only Obama can stop that, and he has made it plain that he has no intention of doing anything of the sort. By his actions, he wants Iran to get atomic weapons. And it is a short step from Iran getting them to Iran using them. I am certain that Obama knows that as well.

    The only thing I can say about this is …let’s hope obama screws up and Iran screws up too…they both can do it well.


  102. yenta-fada
    104 | March 22, 2013 2:22 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I’ve missed you, Dorian! That someone with your education/experience/IQ is not suitably employed says more about the politicians than it says about you. Wall Street has become a cesspool.

    I like your analysis of the varying flavors of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Without Israel they would be productively killing one another. I think the Saudis (royals) are building mansions in Spain and the U.S. and waiting to see who wins. All they are good for is……thinking….thinking.


  103. Lily
    105 | March 22, 2013 2:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    You know what is wat work here. The Lebanese Christiasn are supporting Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. They are doing this to survive. Israel sees the MB/AQ are taking over countries. They are trying to get in the good graces of the Caliphate. They have to live in the region, we do not. So they are doing what’s in their interest even if it does not make sense to us.
    I do not like it, but I do not live in Israel nor Lebanon.

    You have a good point. We don’t have to live there. Not to mention for protection they basically live in a dump because the smell protects them from the bad guys.


  104. 106 | March 22, 2013 2:25 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    The Lebanese Christians and Israelis are the ones who have live with the MB and QA, not us. Those 2 communities have to do what is in their best intesrest to survive. Keep mind that although you are Jewish and I have Lebanese Maronite roots, our couins in that region do not think like us. They are Middle Eastern and look at things differently.

    We may not like it, but we are here in North America while Maronites and Israelis are litreally on the borders of hell.


  105. Prebanned
    107 | March 22, 2013 2:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.
    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.
    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.

    You can still order lead bullets, I have a case of 9mm coming in next week 3500 for 240 bucks.


  106. Lily
    108 | March 22, 2013 2:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.
    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.
    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.

    Really? Now there is a hobby a person might want to pick up.


  107. 109 | March 22, 2013 2:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yes I did some thing and at the end of the day I live in North America. What would I do if I was in the shoes of the Maronites or Israelis in tersm of AQ/MB.

    Just food for thought.


  108. 110 | March 22, 2013 2:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    Nah -- I’ll dumpster dive on this one, doll.
    These people no doubt live on Michael Moore fakeumentaries and get their news from the Daily Show.

    Someone left a Rolling Stone rag in the break room for all to “enjoy.” Since it calls the NRA “Merchants of Death,” praises Rosanne Barr and calls the military rapists, I “enjoyed” it by throwing it in the shredder.


  109. 111 | March 22, 2013 2:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    You know what is wat work here. The Lebanese Christiasn are supporting Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. They are doing this to survive. Israel sees the MB/AQ are taking over countries. They are trying to get in the good graces of the Caliphate. They have to live in the region, we do not. So they are doing what’s in their interest even if it does not make sense to us.
    I do not like it, but I do not live in Israel nor Lebanon.

    You are absolutely correct, Israel is there, and doing any and everything they can imagine to ensure their own survival. They will make whatever temporary alliances they believe will ensure their survival. Right now, their is another very serious reason for Turkey making nice with Israel as well. Cyprus.

    Things in Cyprus is teetering on the verge of a massive financial crises. Cyprus also is reputed to have potentially massive Natural Gas reserves in it’s coastal waters.


  110. Lily
    112 | March 22, 2013 2:27 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    The Iranian strategy is not predicated upon Iran surviving a nuclear exchange with Israel, but upon Allah directly intervening. The Iranian Mullahs believe that Allah will protect them because they will being the hand of Allah himself.
    Yes, Israel has both first and second strike capabilities, and an Iranian strike on Israel would absolutely guarantee the compete and total destruction of Iran.
    there are a lot of ways it could play out, the best way is if Iran never gets the bomb of course.
    Personally I believe that the best way it could play out is if Iran were turned into a Giant Mushroom farm just days before they could complete their first nuclear weapon.

    With obama as president??? I’m betting on a work accident….higher chance of that happening.


  111. 113 | March 22, 2013 2:29 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.
    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.
    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.
    I am surprised we are not seeing foreign made ammo being smuggled into the country and sold black market, there certainly is a demand.

    You don’t have to smuggle foreign-made ammo into this country. Lots of it is imported and sold. Magtech (Brasil) is one brand -- there are many others.

    BTW, you said last night you wanted to know why the NRA wasn’t helping NY. The NRA is suing NY over the SAFE act. Will that do?


  112. 114 | March 22, 2013 2:30 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The Cyprus thing is nuts. The Russians were not happy with Ctpruis offer, they want more. The EU are Marxists.

    This is something to watch.

    The Israelis and Maronites view AQ/MB as lesser of evils compared to Iran. We here in America have a different take, but its not our lives on the line. It’s tehse 2 communities.


  113. 115 | March 22, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ Lily:

    Obama also wants to send $200 million to Jordan. Because $200 million is Jizya fo rthe Caliphate. We’re under no obligation to provide for the refugees of Syria’s civil war. Let the “generous” Muslims (who happen to be rich) pay fo rit. Some of that Muslim Charity we’re always hearing about but never seeing. Except in suicide bombers, of course.


  114. brookly red
    116 | March 22, 2013 2:31 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.
    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.
    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.

    Really? Now there is a hobby a person might want to pick up.

    you can get started for less than a pair of good shoes… http://compare.ebay.com/like/290878873843?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar


  115. lobo91
    117 | March 22, 2013 2:31 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Loads of Eastern European ammo is imported into the US, too.


  116. Lily
    118 | March 22, 2013 2:31 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.
    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.
    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.
    I am surprised we are not seeing foreign made ammo being smuggled into the country and sold black market, there certainly is a demand.

    Oh give it time. Americans go under the table when the government goes nutty. Give it time. If there is money to be made it will happen.


  117. lobo91
    119 | March 22, 2013 2:32 pm

    @ brookly red:

    If you can locate components, that is.


  118. 120 | March 22, 2013 2:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Obama also wants to send $200 million to Jordan. Because $200 million is Jizya fo rthe Caliphate. We’re under no obligation to provide for the refugees of Syria’s civil war. Let the “generous” Muslims (who happen to be rich) pay fo rit. Some of that Muslim Charity we’re always hearing about but never seeing. Except in suicide bombers, of course.

    But no Easter Egg rool for kids!

    Brilliant!


  119. brookly red
    121 | March 22, 2013 2:33 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    BTW, you said last night you wanted to know why the NRA wasn’t helping NY. The NRA is suing NY over the SAFE act. Will that do?

    actually yes I have said that before, but yesterday I said I might have to cut them a check…


  120. Lily
    122 | March 22, 2013 2:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    The Lebanese Christians and Israelis are the ones who have live with the MB and QA, not us. Those 2 communities have to do what is in their best intesrest to survive. Keep mind that although you are Jewish and I have Lebanese Maronite roots, our couins in that region do not think like us. They are Middle Eastern and look at things differently.
    We may not like it, but we are here in North America while Maronites and Israelis are litreally on the borders of hell.

    No kidding they have to do what they have to do to survive. Every human has that in them.


  121. lobo91
    123 | March 22, 2013 2:34 pm

    OFA Organizing Birthday Parties For Obamacare…

    Obama group Organizing for Action is urging supporters to celebrate the third anniversary of Obamacare at local events where they will talk about how to support the law’s implementation in the months to come.

    But remember, OFA is non-partisan.
    //


  122. Lily
    124 | March 22, 2013 2:35 pm

    Prebanned wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.
    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.
    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.
    You can still order lead bullets, I have a case of 9mm coming in next week 3500 for 240 bucks.

    Food for thought now.


  123. 125 | March 22, 2013 2:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Loads of Eastern European ammo is imported into the US, too.

    Right now, that steel-cased, berdan-primed stuff from Wolf is about as cheap as .30-06 gets. No reloading that, of course, but if you don’t reload…


  124. brookly red
    126 | March 22, 2013 2:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    OFA Organizing Birthday Parties For Obamacare…

    Obama group Organizing for Action is urging supporters to celebrate the third anniversary of Obamacare at local events where they will talk about how to support the law’s implementation in the months to come.

    But remember, OFA is non-partisan.
    //

    Ahhh comrade of course OFA is non partisan! beautiful thing about one party rule all belongs to the people!


  125. 127 | March 22, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Back in the early 80′s my dad picked up some Polish 12ga shells. Very light loads and he swore he could see the wadding traveling down range. I fired off a couple shells myself and felt nothing. At the time I was 5’4″ and weighed 130lbs, the local shells left bruises on my shoulder. :)


  126. 128 | March 22, 2013 2:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    BTW, you said last night you wanted to know why the NRA wasn’t helping NY. The NRA is suing NY over the SAFE act. Will that do?
    actually yes I have said that before, but yesterday I said I might have to cut them a check…

    I just finally joined 3 years ago because they finally got off their asses and started doing something. I’m paid up through 2015.


  127. Lily
    129 | March 22, 2013 2:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yes I did some thing and at the end of the day I live in North America. What would I do if I was in the shoes of the Maronites or Israelis in tersm of AQ/MB.
    Just food for thought.

    No kidding. We don’t have it bad here. That’s why everyone wants to come here…pray for those people and thank God we were born were we were born. It boils down to that….where were you born?


  128. yenta-fada
    130 | March 22, 2013 2:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    The Lebanese Christians and Israelis are the ones who have live with the MB and QA, not us. Those 2 communities have to do what is in their best intesrest to survive. Keep mind that although you are Jewish and I have Lebanese Maronite roots, our couins in that region do not think like us. They are Middle Eastern and look at things differently.
    We may not like it, but we are here in North America while Maronites and Israelis are litreally on the borders of hell.

    I agree. However the Muslims (not the Christians) have brought the fight against the Jews to every nation. The Bnai Brith here has issued warnings for Passover Seders and specific rules to use if they are public ones. Certainly it does not begin to compare to daily life in the “hot” zones. Islam in its fundamental form is a tidal wave of hate that wants to consume the world. Our Western governments enable it.


  129. lobo91
    131 | March 22, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ Lily:

    No kidding. We don’t have it bad here. That’s why everyone wants to come here…pray for those people and thank God we were born were we were born. It boils down to that….where were you born?

    Most American honestly have no clue what life is like in most of the world.


  130. 132 | March 22, 2013 2:41 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I’ve missed you, Dorian! That someone with your education/experience/IQ is not suitably employed says more about the politicians than it says about you. Wall Street has become a cesspool.
    I like your analysis of the varying flavors of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Without Israel they would be productively killing one another. I think the Saudis (royals) are building mansions in Spain and the U.S. and waiting to see who wins. All they are good for is……thinking….thinking.

    I have been delinquent in my postings here because my internet connection now goes through my cell phone. Bandwidth constraints make visiting the Blogmocracy problematic, youtube links absolutely kill my bandwidth.


  131. brookly red
    133 | March 22, 2013 2:41 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    I just finally joined 3 years ago because they finally got off their asses and started doing something. I’m paid up through 2015.

    I was a member since I was 18 but I dropped them when they endorsed Harry Reid… now that they are active in my state I may reconsider


  132. Lily
    134 | March 22, 2013 2:43 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Nah — I’ll dumpster dive on this one, doll.
    These people no doubt live on Michael Moore fakeumentaries and get their news from the Daily Show.
    Someone left a Rolling Stone rag in the break room for all to “enjoy.” Since it calls the NRA “Merchants of Death,” praises Rosanne Barr and calls the military rapists, I “enjoyed” it by throwing it in the shredder.

    Hey we can handle this….the two of us team up. Apparently we are dealing with idiots who don’t believe in defending ones self. I’ll go one step forward and bring a bat. Then the rings on the fingers. That might be enough…stunned some little woman punched them for being stupid. I probably could walk away…the bat would be for prop (but could be used if they don’t get the hint) CLUE BAT wrote on it. Plus most fools like that are COWARDS. Big time.


  133. yenta-fada
    135 | March 22, 2013 2:43 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    There are financial writers out there comparing the situation in Cyprus to the murder of the Archduke Ferdinand leading up to WW1. The large players in Cyprus are international. The IMF (basically Washington) and the Eurozone has pitted itself against Russia and other nations with money hidden in Cyprus. Taking the money from depositors directly was a bone-headed move. Lagarde had her Paris apartment raided and was on the plane to DC to re-strategize.


  134. yenta-fada
    136 | March 22, 2013 2:44 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Ask Rodan for my email. I could get something to you.


  135. brookly red
    137 | March 22, 2013 2:45 pm

    a brief OT… I stumbled on an article about how to take LOLcat photos.

    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/03/22/how-to-take-lolcat-photos/?intcmp=HPBucket


  136. 138 | March 22, 2013 2:46 pm

    @ brookly red:

    I’m a life member, but I haven’t donated to them since they endorsed Jack Brooks for re-election after he helped pass the “Assault Weapons” ban. I may have to reconsider that myself. The NRA of today seems to be doing better than that of 20 years ago.


  137. yenta-fada
    139 | March 22, 2013 2:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    No kidding. We don’t have it bad here. That’s why everyone wants to come here…pray for those people and thank God we were born were we were born. It boils down to that….where were you born?
    Most American honestly have no clue what life is like in most of the world.

    Because the U.S. is so large, I think the people do not seek to go beyond the borders unless they are able to travel for study or recreation.


  138. 140 | March 22, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Those anti-Jewish threats are coming from Hizballah and Iran, not AQ/MB at the moment. No way am I defending AQ/MB, but from and Israeli persepective, they are enemies with Iran/Hizballah. I think that is what is at work here.

    Turkey is funding and arming The MB/AQ rebels in Syria. AQ is now on the Golan. Israel is making nice to hopefully have Turkey as a a restraining force.

    They are under no illusions, but again they are the ones living on the edges of hell and have to do what is needed.

    We are nowhere near the end game of the AQ/MB vs. Iran/Hizballah vs Israel Mideast mess.


  139. Lily
    141 | March 22, 2013 2:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Obama also wants to send $200 million to Jordan. Because $200 million is Jizya fo rthe Caliphate. We’re under no obligation to provide for the refugees of Syria’s civil war. Let the “generous” Muslims (who happen to be rich) pay fo rit. Some of that Muslim Charity we’re always hearing about but never seeing. Except in suicide bombers, of course.

    But….but we don’t have enough money for anymore White House tours for children. Got it. obama rogue president and Congress doing nothing about it …in fact no one is doing anything about it. Hence people are arming up. They figure obama is going to screw something up big time might as well be ready.


  140. lobo91
    142 | March 22, 2013 2:48 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Because the U.S. is so large, I think the people do not seek to go beyond the borders unless they are able to travel for study or recreation.

    Even when they travel, most westerners really don’t see what things are really like in other countries.


  141. 143 | March 22, 2013 2:49 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Cyprus is a very ugly situation. Right now Money printing Ben is what is keeping the market afloat.


  142. 144 | March 22, 2013 2:50 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Ask Rodan for my email. I could get something to you.

    Ok, done…


  143. brookly red
    145 | March 22, 2013 2:50 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I’m a life member, but I haven’t donated to them since they endorsed Jack Brooks for re-election after he helped pass the “Assault Weapons” ban. I may have to reconsider that myself. The NRA of today seems to be doing better than that of 20 years ago.

    they have been basically quiet in NY state for years and MIA in NYC it self… this lawsuit is a good start but I want see them take on Bloomberg before I get my hopes up.


  144. yenta-fada
    146 | March 22, 2013 2:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    The Cyprus thing is nuts. The Russians were not happy with Ctpruis offer, they want more. The EU are Marxists.
    This is something to watch.
    The Israelis and Maronites view AQ/MB as lesser of evils compared to Iran. We here in America have a different take, but its not our lives on the line. It’s tehse 2 communities.

    The EU are an unelected elitist thug-ocracy whose Marxism doesn’t apply to their personal lives. We had some UN idiot in Canada complaining that the Government was starving people. He pulls that
    sh!t in the Middle East and then comes here to wine and dine himself on his own importance.


  145. buzzsawmonkey
    147 | March 22, 2013 2:51 pm

    According to this video, Iran has crossed every red line to its building of nuclear weapons.

    Now, here’s my question: let’s say that the facilities are buried sufficiently deeply to withstand a bombing attack.

    Can’t the entrances to these facilities be made impassable by a sufficiently heavy bombardment?


  146. eaglesoars
    148 | March 22, 2013 2:51 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Lagarde had her Paris apartment raided

    WHAT??!!


  147. 149 | March 22, 2013 2:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Those anti-Jewish threats are coming from Hizballah and Iran, not AQ/MB at the moment. No way am I defending AQ/MB, but from and Israeli persepective, they are enemies with Iran/Hizballah. I think that is what is at work here.

    Yup, that would be my best guess as well. Kind of a Sun Tzu strategic dissension.


  148. brookly red
    150 | March 22, 2013 2:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Because the U.S. is so large, I think the people do not seek to go beyond the borders unless they are able to travel for study or recreation.

    Even when they travel, most westerners really don’t see what things are really like in other countries.

    when I was 13 my parents to me to (devided) Berlin… woke my ass up for sure.


  149. 151 | March 22, 2013 2:53 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Can’t the entrances to these facilities be made impassable by a sufficiently heavy bombardment?

    Absolutely.


  150. lobo91
    152 | March 22, 2013 2:53 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Can’t the entrances to these facilities be made impassable by a sufficiently heavy bombardment?

    Theoretically, yes. Also the air intakes.


  151. yenta-fada
    153 | March 22, 2013 2:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Cyprus is a very ugly situation. Right now Money printing Ben is what is keeping the market afloat.

    Yep. They are also money printing for European banks. Japan is going to print money as well with this new Government. You know the implications of this kick the can down the road policy.


  152. lobo91
    154 | March 22, 2013 2:55 pm

    @ brookly red:

    when I was 13 my parents to me to (devided) Berlin… woke my ass up for sure.

    I was thinking more along the lines of Africa or Pakistan, but yes, I did frequently wish that more people could see what Communism was really like back in the day.


  153. brookly red
    155 | March 22, 2013 2:57 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Now, here’s my question: let’s say that the facilities are buried sufficiently deeply to withstand a bombing attack.

    well theoretically if you drop enough laser guided bombs in the same spot you will eventually go deep enough


  154. 156 | March 22, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Precision bombing guarantees it. Nothing is stopping us, nothing, save the will to strike. Our B-2s could fly through Iranian airspace as though their air defenses didn’t exist. They can do so from their bases in the United States. We don’t need the permission of others to strike. Obama could give an order, and it woul dbe done. SOmething to remeber when therre is a nuclear war in the Middle East. Obama could have prevented it.


  155. lobo91
    157 | March 22, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    You know the implications of this kick the can down the road policy.

    I watch The Walking Dead, so yes.


  156. 158 | March 22, 2013 2:58 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Because the U.S. is so large, I think the people do not seek to go beyond the borders unless they are able to travel for study or recreation.
    Even when they travel, most westerners really don’t see what things are really like in other countries.

    when I was 13 my parents to me to (devided) Berlin… woke my ass up for sure.

    Something that will never leave me, is my experience visiting Tijuana back in the early 70′s. Talk about a Third World hellhole. Back then, there was a bridge crossing the Tijuana River, and in the middle of that dried up river bed was a garbage dump, that was also the home of thousands of Mexico’s poorest of the poor.


  157. 159 | March 22, 2013 2:58 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    One of my cousisn went to Lebanon a few months ago. He was stunned that in the Maronite areas, they had posters praising Al-Nusra (Syrian Al-Qaeda). They were flying the Black AQ flags in Christian and and Sunni areas. He asked around and the Christians explains that AQ is enemies with Hizballah and Assad. It’s a payback thing. When he asked if AQ can be trusted, the Maronites said they will deal with that when it comes. Right now, they want Assad toppled and Hizballah removed as a power in Lebanon.

    It’s very trickey. Lebanese Christiasn are supportinG AQ while Syrian Christiasn are supporting Assad.

    The Mideast is a very grey area.


  158. buzzsawmonkey
    160 | March 22, 2013 2:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I did frequently wish that more people could see what Communism was really like back in the day.

    I feel your pain, as I try in vain to make people understand what A Certain Movement is doing to the First Amendment in our own day.


  159. brookly red
    161 | March 22, 2013 2:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Can’t the entrances to these facilities be made impassable by a sufficiently heavy bombardment?

    Theoretically, yes. Also the air intakes.

    fuel air would be the way to go, yes?


  160. yenta-fada
    162 | March 22, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You follow this stuff more than I possibly could. I definitely value your take on the Middle East. Most reporting is so biased, it’s hard to believe what they spin.


  161. 163 | March 22, 2013 2:59 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    This will come crashing down around 2015-2018.


  162. 164 | March 22, 2013 3:00 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I love how they made it sound like a long/arduous process. Which is horse crap. Designed not to take effect until AFTER Oblahblah ran for re-election. My chief hope is that by the time of the 2014 election, people will be SO pissed about the hike in premiums and other little hidden gems of tyranny in this bill that they’ll be voting for candidates vowing to repeal.

    And those won’t be Democrat candidates. Even if they tried to get themselves elected vowing to repeal, my first question would be “really? How you gonna do that, Boo, with Pelosi as Speaker.”


  163. buzzsawmonkey
    165 | March 22, 2013 3:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Precision bombing guarantees it. Nothing is stopping us, nothing, save the will to strike. Our B-2s could fly through Iranian airspace as though their air defenses didn’t exist. They can do so from their bases in the United States. We don’t need the permission of others to strike. Obama could give an order, and it woul dbe done. SOmething to remeber when therre is a nuclear war in the Middle East. Obama could have prevented it.

    We have missiles, too, do we not? I was musing about this the other day; there is, as far as I can see, absolutely no reason why we would need to risk bomber crews when missiles could be targeted to the appropriate coordinates.


  164. 166 | March 22, 2013 3:01 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    I read multiple sources. I hang out in Lebanese Christian Forum and I read Israeli sources. I only trust Israelis and Maronites when it comes to the Mideast. They are usually very accurate.


  165. yenta-fada
    167 | March 22, 2013 3:01 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Lagarde had her Paris apartment raided
    WHAT??!!

    I don’t know if I saved it, but you could certainly google it. Very recent. It was over a 20 year old legal case.


  166. 168 | March 22, 2013 3:02 pm

    I hate Fridays in Lent. Suddenly all I want for lunch is a chicken pot pie…..


  167. 169 | March 22, 2013 3:02 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Precision bombing guarantees it. Nothing is stopping us, nothing, save the will to strike. Our B-2s could fly through Iranian airspace as though their air defenses didn’t exist. They can do so from their bases in the United States. We don’t need the permission of others to strike. Obama could give an order, and it woul dbe done. SOmething to remeber when therre is a nuclear war in the Middle East. Obama could have prevented it.

    We can end the Iran nuke threat in a month long bombing campaign.

    I suspect Obama wants Israel and Iran to nuke each other, so no other power in the Mideast can stop the Arab Caliphate.


  168. lobo91
    170 | March 22, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ brookly red:

    fuel air would be the way to go, yes?

    If you could actually get the material inside, sure. Or some sort of thermobaric weapon.

    I would just target the entrances and ventilation intakes with conventional explosives, though. No need to actually destroy the facility if you seal it up.


  169. yenta-fada
    171 | March 22, 2013 3:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Those anti-Jewish threats are coming from Hizballah and Iran, not AQ/MB at the moment. No way am I defending AQ/MB, but from and Israeli persepective, they are enemies with Iran/Hizballah. I think that is what is at work here.
    Turkey is funding and arming The MB/AQ rebels in Syria. AQ is now on the Golan. Israel is making nice to hopefully have Turkey as a a restraining force.
    They are under no illusions, but again they are the ones living on the edges of hell and have to do what is needed.
    We are nowhere near the end game of the AQ/MB vs. Iran/Hizballah vs Israel Mideast mess.

    I think that there are AQ cells just about everywhere. They are catching ‘Canadian’ jihadists in Somalia, Mali, and Algeria just for starters. They go to Pakistan to train.


  170. 172 | March 22, 2013 3:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Can’t the entrances to these facilities be made impassable by a sufficiently heavy bombardment?
    Theoretically, yes. Also the air intakes.

    fuel air would be the way to go, yes?

    Not really, while a fuel air burst above the air intakes would suck a lot of air out of the complex, they might also make it difficult for other ordinances to seal off those air vents. The best bet would be to use laser guided bunker busters to permanently close those air vents.

    Close the entrances, and close the air vents and those complexes become tombs. If the air vents are where the bunker busters are targeted than a substantial possibility exists to not only seal the air vents, but to also cause enough damage to the complex itself to render it radioactive enough to prohibit Iran ever trying to reopen those complexes.


  171. lobo91
    173 | March 22, 2013 3:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    We have missiles, too, do we not? I was musing about this the other day; there is, as far as I can see, absolutely no reason why we would need to risk bomber crews when missiles could be targeted to the appropriate coordinates.

    You’re basically talking about cruise missiles, there. The warheads aren’t really big enough. They’re designed to take out ordinary buildings and above-ground targets.

    The type of weapons you’d want to use on a facility like that are air-delivered.


  172. 174 | March 22, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    AQ and the Pakistan ISI are tied at the hip.


  173. brookly red
    175 | March 22, 2013 3:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    fuel air would be the way to go, yes?

    If you could actually get the material inside, sure. Or some sort of thermobaric weapon.

    I would just target the entrances and ventilation intakes with conventional explosives, though. No need to actually destroy the facility if you seal it up.

    I have actually given some thought to this and although I am by no means an expert I would go with B52′s dropping as many guided bombs as they can carry all on the same point… the internal shock would be pretty nasty even if it did not breech. OH well that’s for the experts to figure out.


  174. yenta-fada
    176 | March 22, 2013 3:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    I read multiple sources. I hang out in Lebanese Christian Forum and I read Israeli sources. I only trust Israelis and Maronites when it comes to the Mideast. They are usually very accurate.

    They are, afaik, able to be successful wherever they live. Brains, education, hard work, etc.
    Mind you, that equation doesn’t work as well as it used to. :-(
    The deck is stacked.


  175. yenta-fada
    177 | March 22, 2013 3:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    AQ and the Pakistan ISI are tied at the hip.

    My brain hurts.


  176. brookly red
    178 | March 22, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ doriangrey:

    OK hows about, D. all of the above :)


  177. yenta-fada
    179 | March 22, 2013 3:11 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I hate Fridays in Lent. Suddenly all I want for lunch is a chicken pot pie…..

    I cannot tell you how tired I am of building character. /


  178. lobo91
    180 | March 22, 2013 3:12 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    AQ and the Pakistan ISI are tied at the hip.
    My brain hurts.

    Anyone who claims that Pakistan is an ally of ours is either lying or a fool.


  179. 181 | March 22, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    B-2s can deliver a lot more ordinance than cruise missiles, and a lot heavier ordinance. B-2s are the way to go. They are practically invisible, and they fly too high for Iran’s defenses to touch anyway. I guess it is theoretically possible someone could get lucky and hit one, but it is highly unlikely. If they planned it right, the Iranians wouldn’t even know the bombers were there until all of their facilities were destroyed at once. The only point of danger is when they are exiting the country, but they’d be at the top of their range then. It isn’t technical problems that have stopped this, but a lack of will on the part of our so-called leaders.


  180. lobo91
    182 | March 22, 2013 3:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    @ doriangrey:
    OK hows about, D. all of the above

    Since it’s probably never going to happen anyway, sure.


  181. 183 | March 22, 2013 3:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Precision bombing guarantees it. Nothing is stopping us, nothing, save the will to strike. Our B-2s could fly through Iranian airspace as though their air defenses didn’t exist. They can do so from their bases in the United States. We don’t need the permission of others to strike. Obama could give an order, and it woul dbe done. SOmething to remeber when therre is a nuclear war in the Middle East. Obama could have prevented it.
    We have missiles, too, do we not? I was musing about this the other day; there is, as far as I can see, absolutely no reason why we would need to risk bomber crews when missiles could be targeted to the appropriate coordinates.

    Absolutely, a nuclear armed cruse missile right down the entrance of those complexes would, shall we say, have devastating consequences, even a conventional armed cruse missile would be pretty devastating. However, a small nuke would work better because the radiation would ensure that the Iranians do not try to dig the entrances out.


  182. Lily
    184 | March 22, 2013 3:14 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    But like bootleg don’t some people know how to make bullets??? I’m sure it’s illegal to do it at home.
    /yes I know I’m showing how much I don’t know about the subject other than the Right for US to Bear ARMS to Protect US From a Tyrant.
    You can reload ammo at home, but you have to have components in order to do it. Cases can be reused, but you need new powder, primers and bullets.
    It’s possible to mold your own bullets out of bulk lead, but most people don’t. I guess they might in an emergency.
    Really? Now there is a hobby a person might want to pick up.
    you can get started for less than a pair of good shoes… http://compare.ebay.com/like/290878873843?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar

    Not a bad price. But it seems like a *guys* thing to do. Right now I have been banned from buying another pair of shoes (LOL like that is going to stick!!! That makes me laugh so hard I cry!!!) No first I need to know what type of shoes I need more of. Need to clean out closet first. Plus their has been a pair taunting me……it’s awful.


  183. lobo91
    185 | March 22, 2013 3:14 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It isn’t technical problems that have stopped this, but a lack of will on the part of our so-called leaders.

    exactly


  184. 186 | March 22, 2013 3:15 pm

    @ Lily:

    Get boots. Boots aren’t shoes… 8O


  185. Lily
    187 | March 22, 2013 3:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    OFA Organizing Birthday Parties For Obamacare…
    Obama group Organizing for Action is urging supporters to celebrate the third anniversary of Obamacare at local events where they will talk about how to support the law’s implementation in the months to come.
    But remember, OFA is non-partisan.
    //

    CRAZY!!!!


  186. 188 | March 22, 2013 3:17 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    AQ and the Pakistan ISI are tied at the hip.
    My brain hurts.

    :lol: :lol: :lol: brains are way over rated, mine got pissed off at me last week, I woke up and found a note on my pillow informing me that it had gone on vacation without me… I haven’t noticed any difference yet… :razz:


  187. brookly red
    189 | March 22, 2013 3:17 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Not a bad price. But it seems like a *guys* thing to do. Right now I have been banned from buying another pair of shoes (LOL like that is going to stick!!! That makes me laugh so hard I cry!!!) No first I need to know what type of shoes I need more of. Need to clean out closet first. Plus their has been a pair taunting me……it’s awful.

    the money you could make reloading could buy a lot of shoes Muhahahaha


  188. Da_Beerfreak
    190 | March 22, 2013 3:19 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    so Egypt and Turkey probably have more to fear from an Iranian bomb than most I guess.

    As do the Saudis.

    well it’s their carcass the others are after in the first place… they have a lot of money I am surprised they have not nuked up yet, maybe they know something.

    My bet is that if the Saudis felt the need to ‘nuke up’ a phone call to Pakistan would take care of that need. I’ve often wondered how much Saudi money went into the Pakistan’s nuclear program and what the payback would be on that ‘investment’.


  189. 191 | March 22, 2013 3:19 pm

    @ Rodan:
    What’s propped up the Cypriot economy for the longest time has been the U.N. peacekeepers. They purchase food, fuel, rent property, and numerous other services from them. Then there’s the troops spending their coin in the local dives and tourist traps. Second is the tourism industry. It’s like a cheaper Ibitzia (sp?).


  190. lobo91
    192 | March 22, 2013 3:19 pm

    Department Of Education Website Quotes Mass-Murdering Socialist Mao Zedong…

    “Our attitude towards ourselves should be ‘to be satiable in learning’ and towards others ‘to be tireless in teaching.’” — Mao Zedong

    And it’s on a part of the website aimed at kids.


  191. yenta-fada
    193 | March 22, 2013 3:20 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    AQ and the Pakistan ISI are tied at the hip.
    My brain hurts.
    brains are way over rated, mine got pissed off at me last week, I woke up and found a note on my pillow informing me that it had gone on vacation without me… I haven’t noticed any difference yet…

    LOL. However, you have the experience of a few missing years already.
    I’d trade some of my brains for a functioning immune system.


  192. 194 | March 22, 2013 3:22 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Ask Rodan for my email. I could get something to you.

    Ok, check your email… :grin:


  193. brookly red
    195 | March 22, 2013 3:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Department Of Education Website Quotes Mass-Murdering Socialist Mao Zedong…

    “Our attitude towards ourselves should be ‘to be satiable in learning’ and towards others ‘to be tireless in teaching.’” — Mao Zedong

    And it’s on a part of the website aimed at kids.

    people think I am joking when I call the people commies… I am not they are commies.


  194. 196 | March 22, 2013 3:25 pm

    New Thread.


  195. brookly red
    197 | March 22, 2013 3:25 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    My bet is that if the Saudis felt the need to ‘nuke up’ a phone call to Pakistan would take care of that need. I’ve often wondered how much Saudi money went into the Pakistan’s nuclear program and what the payback would be on that ‘investment’.

    for all we know they may have done so…


  196. 198 | March 22, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ brookly red:

    They are indeed. We defeated the Soviet Union, but we didn’t eliminate the cancer of Socialism. It is in the West now, and will be devilishly hard to remove. It is, in fact, goin gto bring down our economy, just as it brought down that of the Soviet Union. It took W and Obama to get us to that point, though. Especially Obama. He spent more than W in his first term, and that was just a warm-up for his second term.


  197. 199 | March 22, 2013 3:26 pm

    @ lobo91:

    No shock.


  198. lobo91
    200 | March 22, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ brookly red:

    They’re also not all that bright, because they got the quote wrong.

    It should be “insatiable.”


  199. 201 | March 22, 2013 3:27 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Now Russia is Free market Capitalist Christian and we are Socialist. Funny how History works?


  200. Lily
    202 | March 22, 2013 3:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    No kidding. We don’t have it bad here. That’s why everyone wants to come here…pray for those people and thank God we were born were we were born. It boils down to that….where were you born?
    Most American honestly have no clue what life is like in most of the world.

    Oh indeed!


  201. Lily
    203 | March 22, 2013 3:28 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    I’ve missed you, Dorian! That someone with your education/experience/IQ is not suitably employed says more about the politicians than it says about you. Wall Street has become a cesspool.
    I like your analysis of the varying flavors of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Without Israel they would be productively killing one another. I think the Saudis (royals) are building mansions in Spain and the U.S. and waiting to see who wins. All they are good for is……thinking….thinking.
    I have been delinquent in my postings here because my internet connection now goes through my cell phone. Bandwidth constraints make visiting the Blogmocracy problematic, youtube links absolutely kill my bandwidth.

    Darn it!!!! :( Makes me sad. Because you love your youtube like me.


  202. yenta-fada
    204 | March 22, 2013 3:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Now Russia is Free market Capitalist Christian and we are Socialist. Funny how History works?

    I would not be able to make a guess when it comes to the everyday life of a person in Russia. I lean towards ‘not that great’.


  203. brookly red
    206 | March 22, 2013 3:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    They’re also not all that bright, because they got the quote wrong.

    It should be “insatiable.”

    no I think they actually meant satiable, teacher’s union and all ;)


  204. 207 | March 22, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, I thought the formulation was Border Security first. They aren’t even pretending on this anymore, and the Republicans are prepared to sell us out on it for some theoretical slice of the Hispanic vote that they won’t actually even get.


  205. Calo
    208 | March 22, 2013 3:36 pm

    @ Lily:
    I am hating on AT&T, IT and POSX people today … Rant over.

    Carry on


  206. buzzsawmonkey
    209 | March 22, 2013 3:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    WH Officials: Obama Won’t Produce A Single Measure Assessing Border Security Because It Could Get In The Way Of Amnesty…

    They aren’t even pretending anymore…

    Maybe he can re-do the Statue of Liberty so that it’s lying down with its legs spread open and its toga hiked up.


  207. Lily
    210 | March 22, 2013 3:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    when I was 13 my parents to me to (devided) Berlin… woke my ass up for sure.
    I was thinking more along the lines of Africa or Pakistan, but yes, I did frequently wish that more people could see what Communism was really like back in the day.

    I read so much that I knew it was horrible at 14. I have alwasys been grateful to live in the United States. My parents not so much. But of course they do not know what the world is like. So it is not true that leftist parents breed leftist children. I certainly am not leftist. The lucky thing is my parents only danger is they vote. Besides that they aren’t active in being leftist other than annoying their children who aren’t.


  208. AZfederalist
    211 | March 22, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMF….buy low …sell high.. Darn keyboard. I hate it.

    Oh, I thought you had happened upon my investment strategy. ;-)


  209. brookly red
    212 | March 22, 2013 3:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ lobo91:
    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    we will soon see the day when they refer to us as the evil empire…


  210. Lily
    213 | March 22, 2013 3:41 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Because the U.S. is so large, I think the people do not seek to go beyond the borders unless they are able to travel for study or recreation.
    Even when they travel, most westerners really don’t see what things are really like in other countries.
    when I was 13 my parents to me to (devided) Berlin… woke my ass up for sure.
    Something that will never leave me, is my experience visiting Tijuana back in the early 70′s. Talk about a Third World hellhole. Back then, there was a bridge crossing the Tijuana River, and in the middle of that dried up river bed was a garbage dump, that was also the home of thousands of Mexico’s poorest of the poor.

    Yep I’ve been to Mexico too …and the poverty shows.


  211. Lily
    214 | March 22, 2013 3:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    One of my cousisn went to Lebanon a few months ago. He was stunned that in the Maronite areas, they had posters praising Al-Nusra (Syrian Al-Qaeda). They were flying the Black AQ flags in Christian and and Sunni areas. He asked around and the Christians explains that AQ is enemies with Hizballah and Assad. It’s a payback thing. When he asked if AQ can be trusted, the Maronites said they will deal with that when it comes. Right now, they want Assad toppled and Hizballah removed as a power in Lebanon.
    It’s very trickey. Lebanese Christiasn are supportinG AQ while Syrian Christiasn are supporting Assad.
    The Mideast is a very grey area.

    That is an ugly….to be put in that kind of situation. Damn.


  212. brookly red
    215 | March 22, 2013 3:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Yep I’ve been to Mexico too …and the poverty shows.

    I have heard rumors that Canada is having issues with people from Detroit sneaking over the border in search of social services…


  213. RIX
    216 | March 22, 2013 3:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Now Russia is Free market Capitalist Christian and we are Socialist. Funny how History works?

    Yup, & now Pravda lectures us to avoid Obama’s evil Socialist wys.


  214. 217 | March 22, 2013 3:45 pm

    Someone needs to remind Plugs that he IS supposed to be a Catholic after all:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/22/biden-wouldnt-kiss-popes-ring-beneath-his-dignity/#disqus_thread

    And second, I would not use the words “Biden” and “dignity” in the same sentence unless “has no” is also featured in there somewhere.


  215. 218 | March 22, 2013 3:46 pm

    @ Lily:

    I haven’t been in awhile, but I remember little children covered with dirt coming up to me in a restaurant asking for Pesos. Made you want to cry.


  216. brookly red
    219 | March 22, 2013 3:47 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Yup, & now Pravda lectures us to avoid Obama’s evil Socialist wys.

    we should listen to the voice of experience…


  217. brookly red
    220 | March 22, 2013 3:49 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I haven’t been in awhile, but I remember little children covered with dirt coming up to me in a restaurant asking for Pesos. Made you want to cry.

    I am not trying to be snarky, deadly serious here… I have similar experiences in Newark New Jersey.


  218. Lily
    221 | March 22, 2013 3:49 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    AQ and the Pakistan ISI are tied at the hip.
    My brain hurts.

    You have a headache too????? It really gets nasty with all this information doesn’t it?


  219. Da_Beerfreak
    222 | March 22, 2013 3:49 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Yep I’ve been to Mexico too …and the poverty shows.

    I have heard rumors that Canada is having issues with people from Detroit sneaking over the border in search of social services…

    The Twin Cities do have a real problem with people from Chicago in search of social services.


  220. 223 | March 22, 2013 3:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    I’ve missed you, Dorian! That someone with your education/experience/IQ is not suitably employed says more about the politicians than it says about you. Wall Street has become a cesspool.
    I like your analysis of the varying flavors of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Without Israel they would be productively killing one another. I think the Saudis (royals) are building mansions in Spain and the U.S. and waiting to see who wins. All they are good for is……thinking….thinking.
    I have been delinquent in my postings here because my internet connection now goes through my cell phone. Bandwidth constraints make visiting the Blogmocracy problematic, youtube links absolutely kill my bandwidth.
    Darn it!!!! Makes me sad. Because you love your youtube like me.

    Yea, it sucks, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do to keep on keeping on.. Or to quote that great modern philosopher, The Big Lebowski, “The dude has to do what the due has to do if the Dude is to abide”… (Ok, I made that up) :oops:


  221. Lily
    224 | March 22, 2013 3:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    AQ and the Pakistan ISI are tied at the hip.
    My brain hurts.
    Anyone who claims that Pakistan is an ally of ours is either lying or a fool.

    I’d go with fool…because they don’t know what it is all about…or idiots…both work for me.


  222. RIX
    225 | March 22, 2013 3:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Yup, & now Pravda lectures us to avoid Obama’s evil Socialist wys.

    we should listen to the voice of experience…

    True, they have been there & it wasn’t good.
    Obama like all elitist Marxists supports Socialism for
    the masses, but not himself.


  223. Da_Beerfreak
    226 | March 22, 2013 3:52 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Someone needs to remind Plugs that he IS supposed to be a Catholic after all:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/22/biden-wouldnt-kiss-popes-ring-beneath-his-dignity/#disqus_thread

    And second, I would not use the words “Biden” and “dignity” in the same sentence unless “has no” is also featured in there somewhere.

    More proof that our political class has no class.

    Not that we really need anymore proof… :roll:


  224. Lily
    227 | March 22, 2013 3:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Get boots. Boots aren’t shoes…

    Wearing motorcycle boots as we post…hubby considers them shoes too.
    Oh and there is some boots taunting me also.


  225. brookly red
    228 | March 22, 2013 3:54 pm

    these fuckers are going to get(more)people killed…http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-22/faa-to-close-149-u-s-airport-towers-after-budget-cuts.html


  226. Lily
    229 | March 22, 2013 3:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Not a bad price. But it seems like a *guys* thing to do. Right now I have been banned from buying another pair of shoes (LOL like that is going to stick!!! That makes me laugh so hard I cry!!!) No first I need to know what type of shoes I need more of. Need to clean out closet first. Plus their has been a pair taunting me……it’s awful.
    the money you could make reloading could buy a lot of shoes Muhahahaha

    True, true, true. But damn I know NOTHING about ammo….now shoes or boots well that’s a different subject!!!! Maybe I can finance someone to make the ammo….there’s a thought. *Thinking about it….*


  227. 230 | March 22, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ brookly red:

    All o fthis because of a trivial cut in the rate at which government expands. There is a reason why I am convinced that this is all going to implode in th enot too distant future. There isn’t a single competan person in the entire Federal Government. What they ought to do is fire all of them, and re-hire about half as many competant workers from the vast ranks of the unemployed.


  228. Lily
    231 | March 22, 2013 3:57 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    yenta-fada wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    AQ and the Pakistan ISI are tied at the hip.
    My brain hurts.
    brains are way over rated, mine got pissed off at me last week, I woke up and found a note on my pillow informing me that it had gone on vacation without me… I haven’t noticed any difference yet…
    LOL. However, you have the experience of a few missing years already.
    I’d trade some of my brains for a functioning immune system.

    I hear ya! My body doesn’t like me …at all!


  229. Da_Beerfreak
    232 | March 22, 2013 3:58 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    these fuckers are going to get(more)people killed…http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-22/faa-to-close-149-u-s-airport-towers-after-budget-cuts.html

    Getting people killed is a feature not a bug.
    Must prove to the Mushrooms that Big Government is the only thing keeping them alive and safe…


  230. lobo91
    233 | March 22, 2013 4:04 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Getting people killed is a feature not a bug.
    Must prove to the Mushrooms that Big Government is the only thing keeping them alive and safe…

    Yup. So far, the biggest effect anyone’s seen is that kids can’t go to the White House. They tried letting a bunch of illegals out of jail, and that hasn’t had any effect yet, so now they’re going to try closing airport towers.

    Eventually, they’ll find something that causes a big disaster.


  231. 234 | March 22, 2013 4:07 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    these fuckers are going to get(more)people killed…http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-22/faa-to-close-149-u-s-airport-towers-after-budget-cuts.html

    It’s pure insanity, I have a buddy who works for the FAA, he is worried about his job, even though he has been with the FAA for something like 15 years.


  232. Lily
    235 | March 22, 2013 4:08 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I am hating on AT&T, IT and POSX people today … Rant over.
    Carry on

    You go girl…..but you need to think happy, happy, happy!
    At least you aren’t having a day like *oh my God a leaf fell off a tree!* and you cry for a 1/2 hour. I had that kind of day Wednesday…I think….today is a I want another pair of shoes day…but that isn’t going to happen. No crying though. I listen to a song.


  233. Lily
    236 | March 22, 2013 4:09 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    WH Officials: Obama Won’t Produce A Single Measure Assessing Border Security Because It Could Get In The Way Of Amnesty…
    They aren’t even pretending anymore…
    Maybe he can re-do the Statue of Liberty so that it’s lying down with its legs spread open and its toga hiked up.

    :shock:


  234. Lily
    237 | March 22, 2013 4:11 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    PIMF….buy low …sell high.. Darn keyboard. I hate it.
    Oh, I thought you had happened upon my investment strategy.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Never know though! ;)


  235. Lily
    238 | March 22, 2013 4:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ lobo91:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    we will soon see the day when they refer to us as the evil empire…

    :shock: Really???? They will think of us like this???? So wrong!


  236. Lily
    239 | March 22, 2013 4:15 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Yep I’ve been to Mexico too …and the poverty shows.
    I have heard rumors that Canada is having issues with people from Detroit sneaking over the border in search of social services…

    Now that is wrong!!!!!!


  237. Lily
    240 | March 22, 2013 4:17 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I haven’t been in awhile, but I remember little children covered with dirt coming up to me in a restaurant asking for Pesos. Made you want to cry.

    That is sad. So wrong.


  238. lobo91
    241 | March 22, 2013 4:22 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ Lily:
    I haven’t been in awhile, but I remember little children covered with dirt coming up to me in a restaurant asking for Pesos. Made you want to cry.
    That is sad. So wrong.

    Just wait. If Obama has his way, little American kids are going to be begging for pesos.

    //Dollars will be worthless


  239. Lily
    242 | March 22, 2013 4:23 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I feel for you!!!! :(


  240. brookly red
    243 | March 22, 2013 4:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Eventually, they’ll find something that causes a big disaster.

    it will back fire…


  241. brookly red
    244 | March 22, 2013 4:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Just wait. If Obama has his way, little American kids are going to be begging for pesos.

    //Dollars will be worthless

    moochelle already asked use to envision a country where children begged for vegetables…


  242. lobo91
    245 | March 22, 2013 4:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Eventually, they’ll find something that causes a big disaster.
    it will back fire…

    They’ll just blame Bush.

    It’s been working for years.


  243. brookly red
    246 | March 22, 2013 4:27 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I haven’t been in awhile, but I remember little children covered with dirt coming up to me in a restaurant asking for Pesos. Made you want to cry.

    I am not trying to be snarky, deadly serious here… I have similar experiences in Newark New Jersey.

    but at least in NJ when the kids are done begging their mother’s come round in the Escalade and and pick them up and bring em to the next place… not kidding.


  244. Da_Beerfreak
    247 | March 22, 2013 4:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    According to this video, Iran has crossed every red line to its building of nuclear weapons.

    Now, here’s my question: let’s say that the facilities are buried sufficiently deeply to withstand a bombing attack.

    Can’t the entrances to these facilities be made impassable by a sufficiently heavy bombardment?

    I wouldn’t waste time or resources on ‘harden’ targets. Take out the ‘soft’ targets that the nuclear program needs to survive. e.g. electricity, water, food, communications, transportation, and fuel(oil). They can’t do much without the basics. :twisted:


  245. Da_Beerfreak
    248 | March 22, 2013 4:48 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I did frequently wish that more people could see what Communism was really like back in the day.

    I feel your pain, as I try in vain to make people understand what A Certain Movement is doing to the First Amendment in our own day.

    Some of us get it. Your efforts are not in vain. :wink:


  246. Lily
    249 | March 22, 2013 4:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Eventually, they’ll find something that causes a big disaster.
    it will back fire…

    Indeed…Americans are what they are and if they can make a buck or get what they need…they will do it…whether the feds outlaw it or not. We are like that…curr’s.


  247. 250 | March 22, 2013 5:23 pm

    Islam of course does not share American moral or ethical values regarding the treatment of children or women.

    Islam does not share any moral values. ever.


  248. Buckeye Abroad
    251 | March 22, 2013 8:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I’m not hearing of any outages of ammo around here. Husband or son hasn’t said anything. But I could be wrong.

    Hi. I was home for a short stint and ammo was sparse in the 3 places I checked. A waiting list to purchase .22 ammo. The individuals I know who trade are sitting on ammo, but selling gear at top dollar.


  249. Buckeye Abroad
    252 | March 22, 2013 8:13 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Now Russia is Free market Capitalist Christian and we are Socialist. Funny how History works?

    I would not be able to make a guess when it comes to the everyday life of a person in Russia. I lean towards ‘not that great’.

    Correct. Russia is ran by a ring of oligarchs and the corruption there would make Cook County, IL, look like a well run Swiss canton.


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