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The meaning of Israel’s apology to Turkey

by Speranza ( 156 Comments › )
Filed under Al Qaeda, Barack Obama, IDF, Iran, Israel, Muslim Brotherhood, Palestinians, Syria, Turkey at March 26th, 2013 - 7:00 am

Obama played a nefarious role in this whole “apology” and just watch – Erdogan will renege on his commitments by always raising the ante which is what Communists and Muslims always do.

by Caroline Glick

US President Barack Obama was on the line when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to apologize for the deaths of nine Turkish protesters aboard the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara on May 31, 2010.

For those who don’t remember, the Mavi Marmara was a Turkish ship that set sail in a bid to break Israel’s lawful maritime blockade of Hamas-controlled Gaza’s coastline. When Israeli naval commandos boarded the ship to interdict it, passengers on deck attacked them – in breach of international maritime law. Soldiers were stabbed, bludgeoned and thrown overboard. In a misguided attempt to show the good faith of Israeli actions, the naval commandos were sent aboard the ship armed with paintball guns. As a consequence, the soldiers pressed to defend themselves. In the hand-to-hand combat that ensued, nine of the Turkish attackers were killed.

The Mavi Marmara was an eminently predictable fight. The Turkish group that hired the boat was an al-Qaeda-affiliated Turkish NGO named IHH. In 1999, the Turkish government was so wary of IHH that it barred the group from participating in relief efforts following a devastating earthquake.

IHH’s fortunes shifted with the rise of its fellow Islamists in the AKP Justice and Development Party led by Recep Tayip Erdogan.  [........]

By 2010, Prime Minster Erdogan had a long track record of anti-Israel actions. Indeed, by 2010, Erdogan had effectively destroyed the strategic alliance Israel had developed with Turkey since 1949. In 2006, Erdogan was the first major international leader and NATO member to host Hamas terror chief Ismail Haniyeh. The same year he allowed Iran to use Turkish territory to transfer weaponry to Hezbollah during the Second Lebanon War.

In 2008, Erdogan openly sided with Hamas against Israel in Operation Cast Lead. In 2009, he called President Shimon Peres a murderer to his face.

By the time the flotilla to Gaza was organized, Erdogan had used Turkey’s position as a NATO member to effectively end the US-led alliance’s cooperative relationship with Israel, by refusing to participate in military exercises with Israel.

Following the incident, rather than apologize for his allied NGO’s gross violation of international maritime law and acts of wanton aggression against Israeli forces, Erdogan doubled down. He removed Turkey’s ambassador from Israel. [.......] He had his court system open show trials against IDF soldiers and commanders. He stepped up his exploitation of Turkey’s NATO membership to block substantive military cooperation between Israel and NATO. [........]

At the same time, Erdogan has cultivated close ties with President Barack Obama and his administration, and has spent millions of dollars on lobbying efforts on Capitol Hill to neutralize congressional opposition to his hostile behavior towards Israel and the US.

For three years Israel refused to apologize to Turkey. And then Obama came to Israel for a visit, and before he left the country, he had Netanyahu on the phone with Erdogan, apologizing for the loss of life of the Turkish protesters who stabbed and bludgeoned Israeli soldiers. Netanyahu also offered restitution to their families.

Israeli President Shimon Peres sought to silence the public outcry in Israel against Netanyahu’s action by soothingly saying that it was done to bury the past and move on to a better day in relations with Turkey.[.......]Israeli and international concerns that all or parts of Syria’s massive arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, as well as its ballistic missiles, will fall into the hands of jihadist forces have risen as jihadists, allied with al-Qaeda, have come to dominate the opposition to the Syrian regime.

Israel’s own concerns regarding the civil war in Syria have also escalated as rebel forces – affiliated with al-Qaeda — have taken over sections of the border region. UN observer forces deployed along Israel’s border with Syria since 1974 have been fleeing in droves, for Israel and Jordan.  [........]

Given the situation, the main questions that arise from Israel’s apology to Turkey are as follows: Is it truly a declaration with little intrinsic meaning, as Peres intimated? Should it simply be viewed as a means of overcoming a technical block to renewing Israel’s strategic alliance with Turkey? In other words, will the apology facilitate Turkish cooperation in stemming the rise of jihadist forces in Syria, and blocking the transfer of chemical and biological weapons and ballistic missiles to such actors? Finally, what does Obama’s central role in producing Israel’s apology say about his relationship with the Jewish state and the consequences of his visit on Israel’s alliance with the US and its position in the region? And finally, what steps should Israel consider in light of these consequences?

On Saturday, the Arab League convened in Doha, Qatar and discussed Israel’s apology to Turkey and its ramifications for pan-Arab policy. The Arab League member states considered the prospect of demanding similar apologies for its military operations in Lebanon, Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

The Arab League’s discussions point to the true ramifications of the apology for Israel. By apologizing for responding lawfully to unlawful aggression against the State of Israel and its armed forces, Israel did two things. First, Israel humiliated itself and its soldiers, and so projected an image of profound weakness. Due to this projected image, Israel has opened itself up to further demands for it to apologize for its other responses to acts of unlawful war and aggression against the state, its territory and its citizens from other aggressors. The Arab League like most of its member nations is in an official state of war with Israel. The Arabs wish to see Israel destroyed. Kicking a nation when it is down is a perfectly rational way for states that wish other states ill to behave. [......]

As for the future of Israel-Turkish cooperation on Syria, two things must be borne in mind. First, on Saturday Erdogan claimed that Netanyahu’s apology was insufficient to restore Turkish-Israel relations. He claimed that before he could take any concrete actions to restore relations, Israel would first have to compensate the families of the passengers from the Mavi Marmara killed while assaulting IDF soldiers with deadly force.

Beyond that, it is far from clear that Turkey shares Israel’s interests in preventing the rise of a jihadist regime in Syria allied with al-Qaeda. More than any other actor, Erdogan has played a central role in enabling the early jihadist penetration and domination of the ranks of the US-supported Syrian opposition forces. It is far from clear that the man who enabled these jihadists from rising to power shares Israel’s interest in preventing them from seizing Syria’s weapons of mass destruction. Moreover, if Turkey does share Israel’s interest in preventing the Syrian opposition from taking control over the said arsenals, it would cooperate with Israel in accomplishing this goal with or without an Israeli apology for its takeover of the Mavi Marmara.

So if interests, rather than sentiments dictate Turkey’s actions on Syria, as they dictate the interests of the Arab League in kicking Israel when it is perceived as being down, what does Obama’s central role in compelling Israel to apologize to Turkey tell us about his attitude towards Israel and how his attitude towards Israel is perceived by Israel’s neighbors, including Iran?

By forcing Israel to apologize to Turkey, Obama effectively forced Israel to acknowledge that it is in the wrong for lawful actions by its military taken in defense of international law and of Israel’s national security. That is, Obama sided with the aggressor – Turkey – over the victim – Israel. And in so doing, he signaled, deliberately or inadvertently, to the rest of Israel’s neighbors that the US is no longer siding with Israel in regional disputes. As a consequence, they now feel that it is reasonable for them to press their advantage and demand further Israeli apologies for daring to defend itself from their aggression.

Whether or not Obama meant to send this message, this is a direct consequence of his visit. Now Israel needs to consider its options for moving forward. For Israel’s allies in Congress, it is important to take a strong position on the issue. Members of Congress and Senate would do well to pass resolutions stating their conviction that Israel, while within its own rights to apologize, operated with reasonable force and wholly in accordance with international law in its interdiction of the Mavi Marmara, which was on an illegal voyage to provide aid and comfort for an internationally recognized terrorist organization in contravention of binding UN Security Council resolution 1379 from September 2001, which prohibits the proffering of such aid.  [.......]

Second, Israel should scale back the level of military assistance it receives from the US. While Obama was in Israel, he pledged to expand US military assistance to Israel in the coming years. By unilaterally scaling back US assistance and developing its domestic military industries, Israel would send a strong signal to its neighbors that it is not completely dependent on the US and as a consequence, the level of US support for Israel does not determine Israel’s capacity to continue to defend itself.

On a wider level, it is important for Israel to develop the means to end its dependency on the US. Under Obama, despite the support of the great majority of the public, the US has become an undependable ally to Israel, and indeed to the rest of the US’s allies as well. The more quickly Israel can minimize its dependence, the better it will be for Israel, for the US and for the stability of the region. The apology to Turkey was a strategic error. To minimize its consequences, Israel must boldly assert its interests in Syria, Iran, and throughout the region.

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Rodan Addendum: Israel is in talks with Turkey to discuss compensation for the flotilla raid.

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister on Monday said Turkey has entered into talks with Israel regarding compensation for the families of the victims of the deadly 2010 Gaza flotilla raid, AFP reported.

“Officials delegated by the two sides will work on the compensation issue. We gave the kick-start for it today,” AFP quoted Bulent Arinc as telling reporters after a weekly cabinet meeting.

“This is a big success of Turkish foreign policy,” Arinc said.

This is all about Syria and Turkey’s influence with the rebels.

 

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  1. 1 | March 26, 2013 7:11 am

    Perhaps Israel could put, say, Ankara…and also Istanbul…on the negotiating table…“Don’t ever do this again or you’ll lose those two cities right off the bat!”
    Wishful thinking…sigh…I know….


  2. eaglesoars
    2 | March 26, 2013 7:31 am

    I never thought Bibi could be that stupid. I suspect Obama threatened him with something.

    Woke up to hear Fox reporting that we are training ‘secular’ rebels -- and Jennifer Griffin reports they’ve been infiltrated.

    need more tea


  3. 3 | March 26, 2013 7:51 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Obama probably threatened to make public our de facto policy of nuclearizing Iran. Obama knows he can dis Israel without having to worry abou tthe Jewish vote. And he has more flexibility now, anyway, since he no longer has to worry about re-election. Obama’s in the cat-bird seat, and Bibi knows it.


  4. eaglesoars
    4 | March 26, 2013 8:21 am

    I’m sure Bibi knows it but that doesn’t explain why he put Israel’s head on the block. As for Obama letting Iran go nuclear -- that’s straight out of the University of the Blindingly Obvious.


  5. theoutsider
    5 | March 26, 2013 8:32 am

    Israel and Turkey have better relations now. How is that a bad thing?


  6. Speranza
    6 | March 26, 2013 8:34 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    Israel and Turkey have better relations now. How is that a bad thing?

    It is a chimera and their relations are only slightly better. Erdogan already is backing away.


  7. 7 | March 26, 2013 8:37 am

    @ Speranza:

    No, Edrogan is not “backing away.” He almost immediately backed completely off.

    “Waiter, another round of Kibuki for the house!”


  8. 8 | March 26, 2013 8:39 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Israel sees the writing on the wall with the rise of the MB/AQ. They hope that with improving ties with Turkey, that it gives them a channel to talk with MB/AQ rebels in Syria.

    That si what this is about.


  9. theoutsider
    9 | March 26, 2013 8:39 am

    @ Speranza:
    Let’s see where it goes. They definitely have a better relationship.


  10. 10 | March 26, 2013 8:40 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Relations are not improved. The Turks are making more demands on the Israelis. They view Israel as some lesser state to them.

    You have to understand the Islamic mindset to see what is going on here.


  11. 11 | March 26, 2013 8:41 am

    @ theoutsider:

    No they do not. The Turks are rubbing this in Israel’s face. what is going on is that Israel is trying to get on the good side of the Muslim Brotherhood.


  12. 12 | March 26, 2013 8:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ eaglesoars:

    The Israelis are too dependent on the US> That is the problem.


  13. 13 | March 26, 2013 8:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    You have to understand the Islamic mindset to see what is going on here.

    Israel lost face, and face is all that matters to the Mohammedans. Turkey will make more demands. Indeed, they are already making more demands. This will also encourage the terrorist supporters (and the people on the Mavi Marmara were terrorist supporters)to make more attempts to breach Israel’s blockade of Gaza. Next time Israel should just sink the blockade runners.


  14. eaglesoars
    14 | March 26, 2013 8:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ eaglesoars:
    The Israelis are too dependent on the US> That is the problem.

    Agreed. But what’s the alternative?


  15. theoutsider
    15 | March 26, 2013 8:51 am

    @ Rodan:
    I totally disagree with you. Turkey and Israel are tight right now. They are united. The money to Egypt goes to the Military to keep the peace with Israel. So far so good..


  16. 16 | March 26, 2013 8:53 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    They should rebuild their defense industry and strengthen ties with Russia. I actually asked an Israeli on a forum why they do not buddy up with Russia and India.

    He told me its supply lines. For Russia to resupply Israel they have to go through hostile territory like Turkey. Whereas the US can just resupply via Europe.

    Thats aid many Israelis I have spoken with do want to be more Independent from the US, but its their leaders who do not.


  17. eaglesoars
    17 | March 26, 2013 8:54 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I totally disagree with you. Turkey and Israel are tight right now. They are united. The money to Egypt goes to the Military to keep the peace with Israel. So far so good..

    time to take your meds, sweetie


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | March 26, 2013 8:56 am

    @ Rodan:

    hmm. I’ll have to give that one some thought (Russia? Srsly?)

    But first I have to get food…….


  19. theoutsider
    19 | March 26, 2013 9:00 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Rodan:
    Where is Israel trying to get on the good side of the Muslim Brotherhood?


  20. 20 | March 26, 2013 9:03 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Why does Egypt need tanks and fighter planes? YOur President wants to deny my right to keep and bear arms because he doesn’t see my need to do so, but he doesn’t ask why Egypt need heavy weapons. It isn’t for self-defense. No one is going to invade Egypt.


  21. 21 | March 26, 2013 9:08 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Erdogan’s AKP is the Turkish branch of the Muslim Brotherhood.


  22. theoutsider
    22 | March 26, 2013 9:08 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    The Egyptian military has kept the peace with Israel since the Camp David Accords in 1979. That’s Why. Get it IF.


  23. 23 | March 26, 2013 9:09 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yes Russia. They are enemies with the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda. If I was a country and had Islamist enemies, I would ally with Russia. In the US both parties support the Jihadists.


  24. 24 | March 26, 2013 9:12 am

    @ theoutsider:

    They are keeping the peace for now. Once Syria, Jordan and Lebanon falls to the Muslim Brotherhood, things will change.


  25. huckfunn
    25 | March 26, 2013 9:14 am

    Egyptian Cleric Issues Fatwa Declaring U.S. Aid To Egypt Sharia-Based “Jizya” Tax…
    Piss be upon them.

    Khaled Said: If the revolution declares a framework for dealing with the West and America – they will accept it, kiss our hands, and double the aid they give us. We consider this aid to be jizya [poll tax], not regular aid.

    Interviewer: Is this the rhetoric of the revolution?

    Khaled Said: It certainly is.

    Interviewer: The aid the Americans give us is the jizya tax they have to pay?

    Khaled Said: Yes, it is. They pay it for the right of passage through our airspace and territorial waters.

    Interviewer: They pay to keep us quiet?

    Khaled Said: They pay so that we will let them be.

    Interviewer: Is that a fatwa?

    Khaled Said: Indeed. The aid constitutes jizya.


  26. 26 | March 26, 2013 9:15 am

    @ huckfunn:

    That is how the Muzz view aid or compensation. ANy payment towards them is viewed as Jiyza.


  27. 27 | March 26, 2013 9:16 am

    @ theoutsider:

    I think that has more to do with the fact that the last time Egypt went to war with Israel they got stomped, rather than the exhorbitant jizya that the US has paid to Egypt for the last thirty years. Egypt wants fighter jets and tanks for a future war with Israel. We are arming our enemy. If we didn’t supply Egypt with heavy weapons, they wouldn’t be a threat to anybody. They are too poor to buy tanks on the open market, and Russia isn’t giving tanks away any more.


  28. huckfunn
    28 | March 26, 2013 9:17 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    That is how the Muzz view aid or compensation. ANy payment towards them is viewed as Jiyza.

    They can kiss my happy huckleberries.


  29. 29 | March 26, 2013 9:19 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Rand Paul called for cutting off Jiyza payments and was savaged for it. It makes you wonder sometimes, does it not?


  30. 30 | March 26, 2013 9:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Russia isn’t giving tanks away any more.

    Russia are not stupid either. They know any weapons they sell them will end up in the hands of Chechen terrorists.


  31. huckfunn
    31 | March 26, 2013 9:22 am

    @ Rodan:
    The regime is simply shoveling our money out the door as fast as they can. The only requirement seems to be that the cause needs to be anti-American and damaging to our economy qualify.


  32. huckfunn
    32 | March 26, 2013 9:23 am

    Here’s the cover on my new American Rifleman magazine.


  33. theoutsider
    33 | March 26, 2013 9:23 am

    @ Rodan:
    I think Lebanon and Jordan will remain secular. Hopefully Syria will too. The secularists are fighting alongside the jihadists there.


  34. 34 | March 26, 2013 9:23 am

    @ huckfunn:

    The sad part is the McCain wing of the GOP is giving our Marxist Regime cover. Obama might as well make McCain his VP.


  35. 35 | March 26, 2013 9:29 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I think Lebanon and Jordan will remain secular. Hopefully Syria will too. The secularists are fighting alongside the jihadists there.

    Lebanon is NOT secular. They are run by Hizb’Allah. If you have not been reading Al Qaeda has declared Jihad against Hizballah and after Syria will go after them.

    Hopefully Syria will too.

    Is that what OFA is telling you to think? Here is the reality.

    ALEPPO, Syria — The evidence was incontrovertible, captured on video and posted on YouTube for all the world to see. During a demonstration against the Syrian regime, Wael Ibrahim, a veteran activist, had tossed aside a banner inscribed with the Muslim declaration of faith.

    And that, decreed the officers of the newly established Sharia Authority set up to administer rebel-held Aleppo, constitutes a crime under Islamic law, punishable in this instance by 10 strokes of a metal pipe.

    The beating administered last month offered a vivid illustration of the extent to which the Syrian revolution has strayed from its roots as a largely spontaneous uprising against four decades of Assad family rule. After mutating last year into a full-scale war, it is moving toward what appears to be an organized effort to institute Islamic law in areas that have fallen under rebel control.

    Building on the reputation they have earned in recent months as the rebellion’s most accomplished fighters, Islamist units are seeking to assert their authority over civilian life, imposing Islamic codes and punishments and administering day-to-day matters such as divorce, marriage and vehicle licensing.

    As for Jordan, The Hashemites are ruthless and backed by Israel. The Israelis and Hashemites will make a stand there and that is what could trigger the next big Mideast war.


  36. huckfunn
    36 | March 26, 2013 9:30 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    The sad part is the McCain wing of the GOP is giving our Marxist Regime cover. Obama might as well make McCain his VP.

    In the 2008 election (before McLame was the GOP nominee) Hilary actually sent inquiries to him to see if he was interested in being her VP. As I further recall, it took him several days to decline.


  37. 37 | March 26, 2013 9:32 am

    @ huckfunn:

    The McCain Wing of the GOP is pushing for war in Syria. If Obama does go to war, want to bet the narrative will be that the GOP forced him to go to war. Then when the body bags come home, Syria will be blamed on the GOP.


  38. huckfunn
    38 | March 26, 2013 9:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    As for Jordan, The Hashemites are ruthless and backed by Israel. The Israelis and Hashemites will make a stand there and that is what could trigger the next big Mideast war.

    The MuzzBros and AQ have a big fat bulls eye on Abdullah’s back. The next “Arab Spring” will occur in Jordan.


  39. 39 | March 26, 2013 9:36 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Yup and the Palis in Jordan will throw in with them. Lets not forgot Al-Qaeda’s leader in Iraq was Zarqawi, who was a Palestinian Jordanian. There are rumors that the leader of Syrian AQ is his cousin.

    Jordan is where I think it will hit the fan. Israel will not sit by and allow The Hashemites to fall.


  40. 40 | March 26, 2013 9:39 am

    @ Rodan:

    The Palis under Arafat have already tried to overthrow Jordan once. There’s no doubt that they’ll throw in with the Muslim Brotherhood in the next iteration of the Arab Spring®. Whether they’ll win is an open question. They’ve been fighting two years in Syria and they haven’t won there yet.


  41. theoutsider
    41 | March 26, 2013 9:42 am

    @ Rodan:
    I don’t listen to OFA, I listen to Reality, do you


  42. 42 | March 26, 2013 9:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Assad had a huge military aparatus, so it takes time. Plus the Iranians and Hezzies jumped in. AQ and the MB have done well in SYria.

    Now like idiots, we are going to bomb Assad to help them.


  43. 43 | March 26, 2013 9:42 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I don’t listen to OFA, I listen to Reality, do you

    Yes, hence why I provide links and you do not.


  44. 44 | March 26, 2013 9:44 am

    This is good news:

    They didn’t use the word filibuster, but the action was implied. Sens. Rand Paul, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are sending a strong message to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid: We three will block any legislation that imposes more gun restrictions.

    The trio are hand delivering the letter containing that message to Mr. Reid on Tuesday, Politico reports. The news agency was given an advance copy of the letter.

    Let’s hope they stick to their, ahem, guns on this. I don’t tust the Republican leadership in the House, but it will destroy the Republican Party if they pass this nonsense.


  45. huckfunn
    45 | March 26, 2013 9:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Jordan is where I think it will hit the fan.

    BO has conveniently placed U.S. troops in Jordan. When a bunch of them get blown up, it will give BO the excuse to send more. He needs to box up that Nobel Piss Prize and send it back.


  46. 46 | March 26, 2013 9:46 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    That will be the 3 PM thread. I am working on that.

    GMTA!

    :lol:


  47. huckfunn
    47 | March 26, 2013 9:47 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    The Palis under Arafat have already tried to overthrow Jordan once. There’s no doubt that they’ll throw in with the Muslim Brotherhood in the next iteration of the Arab Spring®. Whether they’ll win is an open question. They’ve been fighting two years in Syria and they haven’t won there yet.

    There were at least 8 documented attempted assasinations of King Hussein (the Jordanian, not the Kenyan) and I think they were evenly split between the paleos and the muzzbros.


  48. 48 | March 26, 2013 9:47 am

    @ huckfunn:

    In a fair world, The Obama Regime and the McCain Wing of the GOP would be put on trial for treason. But we do not live in a fair world.


  49. 49 | March 26, 2013 9:48 am

    @ huckfunn:

    The Palis are now flocking to Al-Qaeda.


  50. huckfunn
    50 | March 26, 2013 9:50 am

    @ Rodan:
    Well, dangit. Time to go to work.

    Later…


  51. eaglesoars
    51 | March 26, 2013 9:50 am

    Ok this is working out well. Not.

    Al Nusra Front Seizes Control Of Border Area With Israel’s Golan Heights…

    The Al Nusrah Front, which is al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate, and allied rebel groups overran a military base and several checkpoints in southern Syria. The victories put the Al Nusrah Front in control of an area that borders both Israel’s Golan Heights and Jordan.


  52. Speranza
    52 | March 26, 2013 9:52 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Ok this is working out well. Not.
    Al Nusra Front Seizes Control Of Border Area With Israel’s Golan Heights…
    The Al Nusrah Front, which is al Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate, and allied rebel groups overran a military base and several checkpoints in southern Syria. The victories put the Al Nusrah Front in control of an area that borders both Israel’s Golan Heights and Jordan.

    Israel should not stand for that.


  53. Speranza
    53 | March 26, 2013 9:52 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    The Palis are now flocking to Al-Qaeda.

    They sense the strong horse.


  54. Speranza
    54 | March 26, 2013 9:54 am

    I am glad to see that Caroline Glick is back from sabbatical (writing a book)at the Jerusalem Post.


  55. Speranza
    55 | March 26, 2013 9:54 am

    Still waiting for Turkey’s apologies to the Armenians.


  56. 56 | March 26, 2013 9:55 am

    Rubio really needs to back off the nation building garbage.

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Florida Sen. Marco Rubio swung by Rand Paul’s home state here on Monday where he effectively made one thing clear: He’s no Rand Paul — particularly on foreign policy.

    In a soaring speech on the University of Louisville campus, Rubio made the case for American military might around the world, vowing that the U.S cannot “retreat” from international conflicts, must encourage democracy and continue spending money overseas aimed at bolstering the country’s image.


  57. theoutsider
    57 | March 26, 2013 9:56 am

    @ Rodan:
    I’m not a product of of OFA. If you can associate with them, go ahead.


  58. 58 | March 26, 2013 9:57 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I posted a video on this.


  59. 59 | March 26, 2013 9:58 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Why do you repeat their talking points?


  60. Speranza
    60 | March 26, 2013 9:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Rubio really needs to back off the nation building garbage.
    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Florida Sen. Marco Rubio swung by Rand Paul’s home state here on Monday where he effectively made one thing clear: He’s no Rand Paul — particularly on foreign policy.
    In a soaring speech on the University of Louisville campus, Rubio made the case for American military might around the world, vowing that the U.S cannot “retreat” from international conflicts, must encourage democracy and continue spending money overseas aimed at bolstering the country’s image.

    I am not sure he meant or was referring to nation building.


  61. 61 | March 26, 2013 9:58 am

    @ Speranza:

    I have not been ahead of the curve on Al-Qaeda in Syria? I told you about the Golan situation 3 weeks ago!


  62. Speranza
    62 | March 26, 2013 10:04 am

    Sen. Tim Johnson (D. S.D.) to retire
    I hope the Republicans do not revert to the Stupid Party dementia and nominate another Sharron Angle.


  63. Speranza
    63 | March 26, 2013 10:05 am

    Rodan wrote:

    must encourage democracy and continue spending money overseas aimed at bolstering the country’s image.

    I smell John McCain.


  64. 64 | March 26, 2013 10:05 am

    @ Speranza:

    I do not trust Republicans on foreign policy. Look at how they want to go to war in Syria.


  65. 65 | March 26, 2013 10:05 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    must encourage democracy and continue spending money overseas aimed at bolstering the country’s image.

    I smell John McCain.

    Yup, Told ya. John McCain has too much influence.


  66. theoutsider
    66 | March 26, 2013 10:06 am

    @ Rodan:
    What talking points?


  67. Speranza
    67 | March 26, 2013 10:06 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Egyptian Cleric Issues Fatwa Declaring U.S. Aid To Egypt Sharia-Based “Jizya” Tax…
    Piss be upon them.

    Khaled Said: If the revolution declares a framework for dealing with the West and America – they will accept it, kiss our hands, and double the aid they give us. We consider this aid to be jizya [poll tax], not regular aid.
    Interviewer: Is this the rhetoric of the revolution?
    Khaled Said: It certainly is.
    Interviewer: The aid the Americans give us is the jizya tax they have to pay?
    Khaled Said: Yes, it is. They pay it for the right of passage through our airspace and territorial waters.
    Interviewer: They pay to keep us quiet?
    Khaled Said: They pay so that we will let them be.
    Interviewer: Is that a fatwa?
    Khaled Said: Indeed. The aid constitutes jizya.

    They can stick their fartwa up their ass!


  68. Speranza
    68 | March 26, 2013 10:08 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Yup, Told ya. John McCain has too much influence.

    I really hate that guy.


  69. theoutsider
    69 | March 26, 2013 10:09 am

    @ theoutsider:
    What are my talking points again?


  70. Speranza
    70 | March 26, 2013 10:10 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I do not trust Republicans on foreign policy. Look at how they want to go to war in Syria.

    I don’t trust them but I trust them more then I do Democrats.


  71. 71 | March 26, 2013 10:22 am

    @ Speranza:

    You sum up my feelings on a lot of issues. The Republicans are the Stupid Party, but the Democrats are the Evil Party. It really is that simple.


  72. eaglesoars
    72 | March 26, 2013 10:24 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You sum up my feelings on a lot of issues. The Republicans are the Stupid Party, but the Democrats are the Evil Party. It really is that simple.

    I think the Republicans are the unwittingly evil party because they’re stupid and the Dems are the deliberately evil party


  73. 73 | March 26, 2013 10:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    And you can just see Pelosi, Obama and Reid salivating over the prospect of doing this (from ZIP, via the Telegraph, quoting the Eurozone chief):

    Savings accounts in Spain, Italy and other European countries will be raided if needed to preserve Europe’s single currency by propping up failing banks, a senior eurozone official has announced.


  74. RIX
    74 | March 26, 2013 10:38 am

    Good morning. I want to see if I have this right, forcing Bibi to apologise
    to Turkey will promote peace & understanding?
    Erdogan & the rest of the Islamists will not take it as a victory over the
    Zionist State?
    Obama is so fabulous to engineer this./


  75. eaglesoars
    75 | March 26, 2013 10:42 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    It’s been in the works for awhile. But it won’t be the bank accounts. It’s coming via the new agency, Consumer Financail Protection. They’re talking about ‘managing’ all 401k/SEP/IRA accounts so that ‘seniors don’t get scammed’.

    They’ll end up raiding them and depositing IOUs in the accounts.

    yenta-fada and I have been warning about this for quite awhile.


  76. theoutsider
    76 | March 26, 2013 10:42 am

    @ Rodan:
    Remember, you were one of the persons that thought going into Iraq was a good idea.


  77. 77 | March 26, 2013 10:47 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I’d expect a run on the banks in the Eurozone. You have to know that your money simply isn’t safe in a bank there now. Period. And yeah, there’s no doubt the Democrats are looking at 401Ks and thinking that they could do that too. The only problem is that they get to do it once, after which no Democrat will be able to win any elective office outside of California and New York. That thought may make them pause.


  78. lobo91
    78 | March 26, 2013 10:49 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The only problem is that they get to do it once, after which no Democrat will be able to win any elective office outside of California and New York. That thought may make them pause.

    Only if you assume that they plan to hold any future elections.


  79. 79 | March 26, 2013 10:50 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I would not have worried about it before -- with the Republican House, but now that Boehner seems hell bent on giving away the store, I’m not so sure. They are in such desperate need of this money -- the Democrats have been working overtime trying to maintain the fantasy that the unfunded entitlements like Social Security and Medicare are “sound” that the house of cards will come crashing down if they can’t somehow get their hands on the trillions in cash infusion from the 401(k)s. And that whole “we’ll take your 401(k) contribution and it’ll got into an investment account and we’ll pay you back.” Another shell game with a phoney lock box.


  80. 80 | March 26, 2013 10:51 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    This is complete madness on the part of the Eurozone. And yes, I’d be pulling my money out of the banks, out of the investment markets, everything.

    I expect mattress sales to soar.


  81. eaglesoars
    81 | March 26, 2013 10:55 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Another shell game with a phoney lock box.

    So are banks. Inherently. Read this.

    Anatomy of the Bank Run (1985)

    The answer lies in the nature of our banking system, in the fact that both commercial banks and thrift banks (mutual-savings and savings-and-loan) have been systematically engaging in fractional-reserve banking: that is, they have far less cash on hand than there are demand claims to cash outstanding. For commercial banks, the reserve fraction is now about 10 percent; for the thrifts it is far less.
    []
    Yes, the FDIC and FSLIC “work,” but only because the unlimited monopoly power to print money can “work” to bail out any firm or person on earth. For it was precisely bank runs, as severe as they were that, before 1933, kept the banking system under check, and prevented any substantial amount of inflation.
    []
    Putting an end to inflation requires not only the abolition of the Fed but also the abolition of the FDIC and FSLIC. At long last, banks would be treated like any firm in any other industry. In short, if they can’t meet their contractual obligations they will be required to go under and liquidate. It would be instructive to see how many banks would survive if the massive governmental props were finally taken away.

    Murray N. Rothbard (1926–1995) was dean of the Austrian School. He was an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher.


  82. 82 | March 26, 2013 10:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You sum up my feelings on a lot of issues. The Republicans are the Stupid Party, but the Democrats are the Evil Party. It really is that simple.

    You hit the nail.

    Hey that Rand Paul thread is coming at 3.


  83. eaglesoars
    83 | March 26, 2013 10:56 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I expect mattress sales gold prices to soar.


  84. 84 | March 26, 2013 10:58 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Remember, you were one of the persons that thought going into Iraq was a good idea.

    I initially supported it becasue it would be a smash them up, then smash Iran, then Smash Syria, smash the Saudis and get the hell out. I was wrong and was misled. Unlike others on the Right, I admit I was wrong.

    You on the other still belive Obama’s BS. He is lying about Al Qaeda being decimated. He is supporting them in Syria and yet you still love that man.

    How can you still support a man who is lying to you?


  85. 85 | March 26, 2013 10:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    OFA will twist it into taking 401Ks are a good thing. I do not underestimate the Democrats.


  86. 86 | March 26, 2013 11:01 am

    @ Speranza:

    I have no use for either party on foreign policy.


  87. 87 | March 26, 2013 11:01 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I think I am going to pull my money out.


  88. 88 | March 26, 2013 11:02 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I think the Republicans are the unwittingly evil party because they’re stupid and the Dems are the deliberately evil party

    That’s the best analysis I have seen.


  89. eaglesoars
    90 | March 26, 2013 11:06 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Just remembered -- You’re in California, right? So didn’t the state just renege on a tax break for small businesses? As in, “not only is the tax break going away, we’re going to hit you up for back taxes AND INTEREST” ??

    Seriously, you guys need to find some strong hemp rope…….


  90. 91 | March 26, 2013 11:06 am

    @ Rodan:

    They’ve been working toward this for years. Oblahblah really needs that House to go Democrat in 2014 so he can pound the final nail in the coffin of America before he leaves office. You can’t save for your retirement anymore. The government will take care of it for you.


  91. 92 | March 26, 2013 11:06 am

    @ lobo91:

    Let’s ban assault Dogs!

    Oh wait!


  92. 93 | March 26, 2013 11:07 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    The only reason I’m still in California is my house isn’t “even” yet -- plus I only have about seven more years before I retire. Once I’m no longer working, I’m packing my bags and heading to Texas. I hear San Antonio is nice.


  93. 94 | March 26, 2013 11:07 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Seriously, you guys need to find some strong hemp rope…….

    Doriangrey might able to assist!

    :lol:


  94. eaglesoars
    95 | March 26, 2013 11:08 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Not from The Onion:
    Assault Dog Belonging To Anti-Gun Fanatic Mark Kelly Mauls Baby Seal Lion To Death…

    I watched that video. Actually, the dog belongs to his daughter and she looks rather petite to me. No way she could have pulled him off.

    PETA’s going to be between a rock and a hard place on this one.

    AWWWWWW!


  95. lobo91
    96 | March 26, 2013 11:08 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Let’s ban assault Dogs!
    Oh wait!

    “Nobody needs a dog with more than seven teeth!”


  96. 97 | March 26, 2013 11:09 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The Dems have assembled the best political machine ever. They have a divided opposition. The odds are in their favor.


  97. 98 | March 26, 2013 11:09 am

    @ lobo91:
    @ Rodan:

    “American Bulldog” mix my ass. That animal is part Pit Bull, and Kelly’s lamebrain daughter lost control of it. On a public beach. Where it would have gone after someone else’s small dog if that defenseless baby seal hadn’t been available.


  98. lobo91
    99 | March 26, 2013 11:11 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Actually, the dog belongs to his daughter and she looks rather petite to me. No way she could have pulled him off.

    Then she should have a smaller dog.

    Reminds me of the time a wolf hybrid tried to go after Leia at a gun show. It outweighed the woman on the other end of its leash.


  99. 100 | March 26, 2013 11:11 am

    @ lobo91:

    Killing baby seals?


  100. lobo91
    101 | March 26, 2013 11:12 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    @ Rodan:
    “American Bulldog” mix my ass. That animal is part Pit Bull, and Kelly’s lamebrain daughter lost control of it. On a public beach. Where it would have gone after someone else’s small dog if that defenseless baby seal hadn’t been available.

    Or a small child


  101. eaglesoars
    102 | March 26, 2013 11:12 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Once I’m no longer working, I’m packing my bags and heading to Texas. I hear San Antonio is nice.

    I’ve given it some thought. Mentioned it ‘lightly’ to hubby. Virginia is still a pretty good place and he still wants to work so being close to DC is not negotiable. However, it’s expensive.

    However, there’s a 12 yr age difference between us and he’s 73 so really I’m thinking in terms of where I want to be when I’m alone.

    Tennessee? Texas? Hmmmm.


  102. 103 | March 26, 2013 11:14 am

    @ lobo91:

    I saw an episode of “People’s Court” where the idiots gave the leash of a large dog to an 18-month-old to hold and then were shocked when the dog broke free and attacked a dog a neighbor was walking.

    The law is plain — you must have the dog under your control at all time. Period. You do not send a 7-year-old out to walk your 100-lb. German Shepherd. When Offspring was little, he wanted to walk Rocky and I said “no”. What I did was buy a second leash that clipped on so that he could pretend he was walking him with me.


  103. 104 | March 26, 2013 11:15 am

    @ lobo91:

    That had occurred to me as well.


  104. 105 | March 26, 2013 11:15 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Make it Texas -- we can meet up at the Longhorn Saloon for guacamole.


  105. 106 | March 26, 2013 11:16 am

    @ lobo91:

    :lol:

    That story is just funny!


  106. eaglesoars
    107 | March 26, 2013 11:16 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    That animal is part Pit Bull,

    From the video I saw, he looked like a Bulldog. They are deceptively strong. We used to have one down the street, Turbo, who decided he loved me. He could -- and did -- knock me down so he could lick my face. Thank god he was a sweet dog.

    lobo91 wrote:

    Then she should have a smaller dog.

    YYep. Which is why I have a beagle instead of the Rottie I was going for originally.

    How the hell am I going to carry a dog who weighs in at a minimum 80 lbs? I’m not.


  107. lobo91
    108 | March 26, 2013 11:17 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Colorado will be nice once we clean house next year.


  108. 109 | March 26, 2013 11:18 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    She raised her dog wrong and probably made it agressive.


  109. eaglesoars
    110 | March 26, 2013 11:19 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    you must have the dog under your control at all time. Period

    New neighbors. 6 yr old girl. She wanted a dog but Mom decided she should have some exposure to dogs first. Decided to start a dog walking service. Little Ana would walk your dog for Free!

    Seriously. I considered calling Child Protective Services and complaining about a criminally stupid mother.


  110. 111 | March 26, 2013 11:20 am

    @ Rodan:

    I hear there are counties in Florida that will not let you own pit bulls.


  111. lobo91
    112 | March 26, 2013 11:20 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I hear there are counties in Florida that will not let you own pit bulls.

    Denver banned them.


  112. lobo91
    113 | March 26, 2013 11:21 am

    @ lobo91:

    And it’s a real ban. They made people get rid of them.


  113. 114 | March 26, 2013 11:21 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Even with walking a small dog, Little Ana would have a serious problem if dumbass neighbor’s Boxer got out the front door.

    You want to expose her to dogs. Let her go to the animal shelter on a Saturday and help them with the animals.


  114. Speranza
    115 | March 26, 2013 11:22 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    The only reason I’m still in California is my house isn’t “even” yet — plus I only have about seven more years before I retire. Once I’m no longer working, I’m packing my bags and heading to Texas. I hear San Antonio is nice.

    San Antonio is great!
    I was there in 2009.


  115. 116 | March 26, 2013 11:23 am

    @ lobo91:

    Our local animal shelter, on any given day, will have maybe 30 pit bulls up “for adoption.” And we’re not all that big a county for California, even population wise. Maybe 300,000 people.


  116. Speranza
    117 | March 26, 2013 11:24 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    plus I only have about seven more years before I retire.

    Moi aussi.


  117. 118 | March 26, 2013 11:24 am

    @ Speranza:

    And I KNOW you like San Antonio…..


  118. 119 | March 26, 2013 11:25 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yes and that is wrong. Pitt Bulls are not agressive by nature. That is a myth. It is people who make them agressive.

    Japanese Akitas are naturally agressive and more dangerous. I know, I havae had Akitas and Pitts.


  119. eaglesoars
    120 | March 26, 2013 11:26 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    She raised her dog wrong and probably made it agressive.

    Not necessarily. A LOT of dogs react PROTECTIVELY when they encounter the unfamiliar.

    Had my German Shepard Dylan on the boat with us one weekend. Our dock neighbors showed up. One of their boys had broken a leg and was in a cast and on crutches. Dylan went after him. I tackled him on the fly and we both ended up in the river. Took two grown men to fish that dog out.

    I spent the weekend socializing Dylan with that boy and Dylan reacted well and would even walk up to the club house with him.

    Went back home at the end of the summer. Was walking Dylan on campus -- on lead -- and a young boy who looked very much like our dock neighbor walked by. No cast, no crutches. Dylan went after him. Fortunately, he immediately obeyed my DOWN command. But he wasn’t happy about it.


  120. Speranza
    121 | March 26, 2013 11:26 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    And I KNOW you like San Antonio…..

    We can be neighbors and have lunch by the Alamo every Saturday.


  121. eaglesoars
    122 | March 26, 2013 11:27 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Even with walking a small dog, Little Ana would have a serious problem if dumbass neighbor’s Boxer got out the front door.

    Any dog owner who would turn over their dog to a 6 yr old should be taken to a shelter.


  122. 123 | March 26, 2013 11:29 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    That is true. Dogs are just modified wolves. When they feel threatened, they get agressive. The Onus is on the owner to be vigilant on their dog.


  123. lobo91
    124 | March 26, 2013 11:29 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Even with walking a small dog, Little Ana would have a serious problem if dumbass neighbor’s Boxer got out the front door.

    Or even if a rabbit or squirrel turned up. Leia’s come close to dislocating my shoulder before when that’s happened and she’s taken off in a random direction at top speed, and she’s not that big.


  124. eaglesoars
    125 | March 26, 2013 11:31 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    I hear there are counties in Florida that will not let you own pit bulls.
    Denver banned them.

    It’s the asshole people they have to ban. There is only one breed I’m aware of that should be bred out of existence. Preso Canaris.

    A lot of insurance companies up the homeowner’s insurance premiums if there are certain breeds of dogs in the house -- shepards, rotties, pits, akitas, dobies, etc. It’s a long list.

    What most people don’t know is that -- based on claims, vet records, etc. -- the breed most likely to bite is --

    dachshound


  125. 126 | March 26, 2013 11:31 am

    @ lobo91:

    I just got this image of pretty puppy walking along and suddenly -- “Squirrel!!!!”


  126. lobo91
    127 | March 26, 2013 11:32 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    What most people don’t know is that — based on claims, vet records, etc. — the breed most likely to bite is --

    dachshound

    Dalmatians are probably pretty high on the list, too. Ill-tempered animals.


  127. 128 | March 26, 2013 11:32 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Cocker Spaniels are nasty as well.


  128. 129 | March 26, 2013 11:33 am

    @ lobo91:

    Let’s not forgot the Mighty Chihuaha!


  129. eaglesoars
    130 | March 26, 2013 11:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Yes and that is wrong. Pitt Bulls are not agressive by nature. That is a myth. It is people who make them agressive.

    All but one of Michael Vicks dogs were able to be rehabilitated. One later died post-op due to an infection the operation tried to fix. Her name was Ginger.


  130. lobo91
    131 | March 26, 2013 11:35 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I just got this image of pretty puppy walking along and suddenly — “Squirrel!!!!”

    I was walking her one morning at the apartment complex we lived in before we bought the house, and we came around the corner of the office. There were two deer standing by the pool. One was drinking from the pool, and the other was sampling the ornamental shrubbery.

    Leia, who will chase and rabbit or squirrel within 100 yards, completely froze. She had no idea what she was looking at.


  131. eaglesoars
    132 | March 26, 2013 11:36 am

    You know what? We are all just freakin’ hopeless. If we don’t devolve into a gun thread it’s a dog thread.

    Unless lily’s here.

    Then it’s a shoe thread.


  132. 133 | March 26, 2013 11:36 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Ontario banned them. Any living ones have to be muzzled. I wonder what the “new” nasty breed will be now? Used to be Dobermans, then rottweilers.


  133. RIX
    134 | March 26, 2013 11:37 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Not from The Onion:

    Assault Dog Belonging To Anti-Gun Fanatic Mark Kelly Mauls Baby Seal Lion To Death…

    That dog has some Pit Bull in it.
    I had my dog at the dog park one afternoon


  134. lobo91
    135 | March 26, 2013 11:37 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Let’s not forgot the Mighty Chihuaha!

    I think small dogs are more likely to bite people than big ones are because it’s all they can do.

    A Rottweiler or German Shepherd doesn’t have to bite you to intimidate you.


  135. RIX
    136 | March 26, 2013 11:38 am

    @ RIX:
    To finish , a pit bull was abusing the other dogs.
    When the owner got complaints, he said that he was trying to socialize his dog.


  136. 137 | March 26, 2013 11:38 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’ve never gotten into the whole shoe thing.
    Probably because I have ugly runner/dancer feet.
    SERIOUS ugly.


  137. eaglesoars
    138 | March 26, 2013 11:40 am

    @ lobo91:
    @ Rodan:

    I don’t know about Dalmations, but I DO know the problem w/cockers is bad breeding in the U.S.

    Also German Shepards. As far as I know, no law enforcement agency will use American-bred shepards. Fairfax County goes to the Czechs and Hungarians.

    A man I knew who trained them for the Penna State Police got his stock from Japan.


  138. eaglesoars
    139 | March 26, 2013 11:42 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I’ve never gotten into the whole shoe thing.
    Probably because I have ugly runner/dancer feet.
    SERIOUS ugly.

    DANCER??

    jealousjealousjealous


  139. lobo91
    140 | March 26, 2013 11:44 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Every time Disney makes one of those stupid movies, there’s a big spike in demand for Dalmatians, because the kids all think they look cute.

    Then people find out that real ones aren’t like the cartoon ones. They’re terrible with kids.

    So then there’s a big spike in Dalmatians at shelters.


  140. Speranza
    141 | March 26, 2013 11:44 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I’ve never gotten into the whole shoe thing.
    Probably because I have ugly runner/dancer feet.
    SERIOUS ugly.

    Nobody sees your feet anyway.


  141. 142 | March 26, 2013 11:45 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Former….now just clumsyclumsyclumsy.


  142. eaglesoars
    143 | March 26, 2013 11:47 am

    Ok this is what I mean about protective. I heard a truck pull up and Molly woke up. Started to bark. I watched the UPS guy come up the sidewalk w/some boxes (shoes I ordered, as it happens).

    Molly lost it. Tore down the stairs and tried to go after the UPS guy. Too bad she forgot that there’s a full-pane glass door there.

    All I heard was howling and then BOOM!!

    She seems to be ok but I’m going to watch her for awhile.


  143. 144 | March 26, 2013 11:48 am

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/26/north-korea-orders-army-to-prepare-for-strikes-against-u-s-mainland/#disqus_thread

    Also not from the Onion.
    Someone show these fact-deprived assholes the photos from Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. Remind them that they have the modern day equivalent of tinkertoys.


  144. 145 | March 26, 2013 11:51 am

    @ Speranza:

    Honey, I don’t even see my feet….


  145. 146 | March 26, 2013 11:51 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The North Koreans are bug-fucking insane. That is the cornerstone of their foreign policy. We should have nuked them when Eisenhower was President. We’ve been paying fo rthat failuer of foreign policy ever since.


  146. 147 | March 26, 2013 11:55 am

    @ lobo91:

    Yup, small dogs have to compensate.


  147. 148 | March 26, 2013 11:56 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Its just talk, they are going to do nothing,


  148. lobo91
    149 | March 26, 2013 11:58 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yup, small dogs have to compensate.

    Sort of like North Korea


  149. lobo91
    150 | March 26, 2013 11:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Its just talk, they are going to do nothing,

    I wonder if Kim realizes that they don’t have the capability to launch such an attack?

    It’s not like his generals are going to tell him the truth, after all…


  150. eaglesoars
    151 | March 26, 2013 12:01 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Remind them that they have the modern day equivalent of tinkertoys.

    I think this is for domestic consumption. Which tells me they think their slave-citizens need to be distracted from something else


  151. 152 | March 26, 2013 12:02 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Small dogs like to yap, to tie it in with another dominant theme of the thread. North Korea is pretty insignificant. If they were crazy enough to use their nukes, though, they could gut Seoul. That would be a catastrophe. Yeah, sure, we’d erradicate them for it, but like the Iranians, I am not sure you are dealing with rational actors here. They may not care that we can exterminate them. Or (more probably) they may not believe we’d do it no matter what they do. A threat that they know will never be carried out has little deterrant force. And I’d say under Obama our nuclear fist is about as empty a threat as it has ever been.


  152. 153 | March 26, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The powers of Juche will enable them to beat us!
    ////


  153. 154 | March 26, 2013 12:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Dennis Rodman is the perfect deterant.


  154. lobo91
    155 | March 26, 2013 12:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yeah, sure, we’d erradicate them for it, but like the Iranians, I am not sure you are dealing with rational actors here.

    The Iranians are rational actors. They behave in accordance with their beliefs.

    Now, we consider their beliefs to be irrational, but that’s a different matter.

    Us expecting them to behave in accordance with our beliefs is irrational.


  155. 156 | March 26, 2013 8:52 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Norks could certainly fuck Seoul up with a 20-kiloton device, but no destroy it. Now OTOH the USA could really ruin North Korea if the dropped a strategic 300KT bomb!


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