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Republicans need to stop making excuses for 2012

by Rodan ( 186 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Elections 2012, Mitt Romney, Republican Party at March 29th, 2013 - 11:00 am

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Many Republican voters are coming up with excuses for the 2012 loss. Some blame people wanting free stuff and fraud. Sure there was that aspect to the election, but those people always vote for Democrats. Some claim 4 million less Republicans votes in 2012. That does not jive with the fact Mitt Romney got more votes than John McCain. It was Obama who lost votes compared to 2008, however not enough 2008 disaffected Obama voters made the leap in 2012 to voting Republican. These excuses are just ways f0r Republicans not to admit defeat and to blame it  on falsehoods – the term cognitive dissonance comes immediately to mind.

The truth is Obama (with a massive assist from the media) ran a nearly flawless campaign and with the help of OFA, ran a 21st century campaign. They targeted different subset of voters and fed them anti-Republican propaganda the theme being that  Republicans hate you and we will protect you from them. Obama and OFA assembles an anti-Republican not a pro Democratic  campaign. The GOP lost because the American people are turned off or that the GOP hates them.

Instead of making excuses, Republicans should focus on rehabilitating their image with voters and it would help if they started planning on how to recover and start fighting back.

In the face of this reality, it is time for Republicans to get over their loss in 2012. We are all that stands between this president’s policies and a damaged and diminished America. It is time to get back in the fight.

And I do mean fight. Republicans are being counseled to move the party to the left, but in my experience, those who advocate more liberal policies for the GOP are wrongheaded or Democrats, or both. You can be sure that President Obama would welcome an America in which the Republican Party is preoccupied with remaking itself into a watered-down version of the Democrats.

It is time to defend our values with vigor and courage. We are conservatives. We believe in limited government, low taxes, a strong national defense, individual freedoms, self-reliance, the importance of the family, and the miracle and authority of America’s founding documents. We know that government is best that governs least and governs closest to the people. We know that the private sector is the engine of economic growth. We know that America is the exceptional nation, the best that has ever existed. We know that the men and women who wear the uniform of the U.S. military are the greatest fighting force and the greatest force for good that the world has ever known.

We know that preventing this president from enacting devastating policies is not obstructionism. It is patriotism.

Although I do not think it is easy the way Liz Cheney describes it, the Republicans can at least stop being punching bags sadly George W. Bush  showed us how to be helpless “turn the other cheek” types. Another obstacle is the 800 lb. Gorilla many Republicans continue to ignore, Organizing For America. It is the most formidable political machine ever devised and Republicans have nothing at the moment that can match it.

I think the Republicans will not be nationally competitive again until 2020 at the earliest. They need to create a counter to OFA, broaden their appeal and explain how their policies would benefit people’s lives. Until this happens, at least the GOP can start fighting back – and that would be a good start on the road to a comeback.

 

 

 

 

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186 Responses to “Republicans need to stop making excuses for 2012”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | March 29, 2013 11:11 am

    The first thing is to tell that fat self promoter Rush Limbaugh to stop telling that bullshit story about 3 (or is it now 4?) million Republican voters staying home. Total urban legend.


  2. 2 | March 29, 2013 11:28 am

    @ Speranza:

    I saw somewhere that it was 10 Million registered Republicans stayed home. Republicans just can not admit Obama and OFA beat them.


  3. Speranza
    3 | March 29, 2013 11:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I saw somewhere that it was 10 Million registered Republicans stayed home. Republicans just can not admit Obama and OFA beat them.

    They are starting to drift into fantasy land.


  4. 4 | March 29, 2013 11:34 am

    @ Speranza:

    The GOP is a huge joke and are about 10 years behind the Democrats in terms of infrastructure. Rather than dwell on fantasies, they could at least fight. That would be a start.


  5. brookly red
    5 | March 29, 2013 11:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    I saw somewhere that it was 10 Million registered Republicans stayed home. Republicans just can not admit Obama and OFA beat them.

    It’s kinda like a a football game when you see the refs make a bad call, (in the case a blind eye to massive voter fraud) and even though your side lost by 2 scores all you remember is the bad call.


  6. 6 | March 29, 2013 11:38 am

    @ brookly red:

    That is a good analogy. It saddens me this blog is one of the few that actually is speaking the truth on OFA. There is a blackout on OFA on other Conservative blogs.


  7. buzzsawmonkey
    7 | March 29, 2013 11:39 am

    @ Rodan:

    See my post at the bottom of the last thread.


  8. brookly red
    8 | March 29, 2013 11:41 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    That is a good analogy. It saddens me this blog is oen of the few that actually is peaking the truth on OFA. There is a blackout on OFA on other Conservative blogs.

    well I think that it is because the OFA is just a new package for the same old shit that has been going on for some time. True the technology is more advanced but the game plan is the same. I know you will disagree with that but it’s just my opinion.


  9. 9 | March 29, 2013 11:42 am

    I think it would be better if we concentrated on GHWB’s faults. Or Wilson’s. Or maye Lord Fairfax. Surely that will make everything better.

    Sheesh…


  10. 10 | March 29, 2013 11:43 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is spot on my friend. Obama is using OFA to eventually devour the Democrats. He will be the power behind the scene and all presidnet must be approbved by him.


  11. Lily
    11 | March 29, 2013 11:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The GOP is a huge joke and are about 10 years behind the Democrats in terms of infrastructure. Rather than dwell on fantasies, they could at least fight. That would be a start.

    It is what it is …and yes I have heard of people who are trashing Rush…I think it’s a bunch of different reasons personally. How did Carter get voted in? From what I have seen it swings back and forth …from Republican to Democrat back to Republican. Republican’s simply aren’t going to win every election…not going to happen.


  12. 12 | March 29, 2013 11:45 am

    @ brookly red:

    Actually I do not disagree with you. I just think the other conservatives blogs do not realize what they are dealing with.


  13. brookly red
    13 | March 29, 2013 11:45 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is spot on my friend. Obama is using OFA to eventually devour the Democrats. He will be the power behind the scene and all presidnet must be approbved by him.

    that begs the question, who is pulling his strings? He is a post turtle after all.


  14. Lily
    14 | March 29, 2013 11:46 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    That is a good analogy. It saddens me this blog is one of the few that actually is speaking the truth on OFA. There is a blackout on OFA on other Conservative blogs.

    Why is that?? Are they afraid of it?


  15. 15 | March 29, 2013 11:47 am

    @ Lily:

    Well Carter got in becasue of Watergate. Keep in mind that Gerald Ford went from 30 points down to almost beating carter. Can you imagine a Republican coming back from 30 points down now?

    This is beyond a pendulum swing. OFA is a game changer and if the GOP does nothing soon to counter it, we will have One Party rule in the White House.


  16. brookly red
    16 | March 29, 2013 11:47 am

    @ Lily:

    ahhh, not to change the subject but I saved this one for you…

    http://www.france24.com/en/20130328-japan-man-tries-kill-woman-with-poisoned-shoes


  17. 17 | March 29, 2013 11:48 am

    @ Lily:

    They are stuck in the past and think it was a fluke. PJ Media, The Other McCain and Weasel Zippers have been reporting on OFA. Places like Hot Air and Ace are lying to their readers.


  18. brookly red
    18 | March 29, 2013 11:49 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Actually I do not disagree with you. I just think the other conservatives blogs do not realize what they are dealing with.

    my fallback quote on the OFA is always “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn’t exist”


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    19 | March 29, 2013 11:49 am

    brookly red wrote:

    that begs the question, who is pulling his strings? He is a post turtle after all.

    In a sense, it doesn’t matter: first, because we may never know; second, because there is no way to attack the powers behind the throne even if we did—but most importantly, because any Leader-cult has the Leader as both its greatest strength and its greatest weakness. Take down the Leader and the other issues have a chance of being addressed.


  20. 20 | March 29, 2013 11:51 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Honest question. Why is it OK to bash LBJ, Cater and Clinton but we are not allowed to bash Nixon or the Bushes. Why the double standard?

    I am not trying to pick a fight but just wnat to understand the reasoning for the doubkle standard.

    I am just curious, that is all.


  21. 21 | March 29, 2013 11:51 am

    @ brookly red:

    You nailed it!


  22. 22 | March 29, 2013 11:52 am

    @ brookly red:

    I think its a cabal and Valerie Jarret sems to be the key here.


  23. brookly red
    23 | March 29, 2013 11:52 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    that begs the question, who is pulling his strings? He is a post turtle after all.

    In a sense, it doesn’t matter: first, because we may never know; second, because there is no way to attack the powers behind the throne even if we did—but most importantly, because any Leader-cult has the Leader as both its greatest strength and its greatest weakness. Take down the Leader and the other issues have a chance of being addressed.

    catch 22, but you can’t take down the leader without addressing the other issues…


  24. buzzsawmonkey
    24 | March 29, 2013 11:54 am

    brookly red wrote:

    catch 22, but you can’t take down the leader without addressing the other issues…

    You can take down the Leader by destroying his god-hood and showing him to be a failure. Show that Oz is the humbug behind the curtain, and down he goes—and then you have a chance to find and go after his backers.


  25. brookly red
    25 | March 29, 2013 11:54 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    I think its a cabal and Valerie Jarret sems to be the key here.

    I agree cabal, but I say Soros and the global communists… just my opinion


  26. Lily
    26 | March 29, 2013 11:54 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    They are stuck in the past and think it was a fluke. PJ Media, The Other McCain and Weasel Zippers have been reporting on OFA. Places like Hot Air and Ace are lying to their readers.

    I basically read as far as blogs WZ and this one. Not surprised Hot Air and Ace are not reporting it they have changed..I don’t visit their sites anymore. OFA can explain obama’s re-election so close to Benghazi. Where obama really dropped the ball or rather didn’t care. But the election is over.


  27. buzzsawmonkey
    27 | March 29, 2013 11:55 am

    @ Rodan:
    @ brookly red:

    Not mutually exclusive.


  28. Lily
    28 | March 29, 2013 11:55 am

    brookly red wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    Actually I do not disagree with you. I just think the other conservatives blogs do not realize what they are dealing with.
    my fallback quote on the OFA is always “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn’t exist”

    Yep and on Good Friday it rings ever more true.


  29. brookly red
    29 | March 29, 2013 11:56 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    indeed


  30. 30 | March 29, 2013 11:58 am

    @ Lily:

    Hot Air is openly supporting the Islamists in Syria. Their readers give them hell for it and all they do is call to go to war.


  31. 31 | March 29, 2013 11:58 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Agreed.


  32. brookly red
    32 | March 29, 2013 12:02 pm

    bbiab


  33. Lily
    33 | March 29, 2013 12:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Not surprised…but what are they saying about NK?? NK is now openingly saying they are going to nuke or bomb some cities…rather liberal ones at that. Why dictators have go all nutty is beyond me. It is not good enough being an evil dictator they have to go even more evil. Am I afraid they are going to do this…no. I’ll have to see it to believe it. But what really rings in my ear is why? LA and Austin? Really? What does obama have to say…nothing as usual….


  34. Lily
    34 | March 29, 2013 12:06 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Okay why are they openly supporting the Islamists in Syria? They aren’t good people and I really don’t want to know. People have all kinds of crazy ideas lately for some reason.


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    35 | March 29, 2013 12:07 pm

    The mistake is in looking at a number of these “different” movements as if they are in any way distinguished from each other:

    Hitler was “opposed to communism,” but his party was the National Socialist Party, and he made a treaty with Stalin and Communist Russia—before he broke it.

    The Mufti of Jerusalem was allied with Hitler, and the Arabs welcomed fugitive Nazis—but the rhetoric of the PLO in its early days was Leftist and it was allied with the Soviets.

    George Soros worked for the Nazis, and he is a man of the far Left.

    The Left supported the Ayatollah Khomeini and the overthrow of the Shah—as it now apologizes for al Qaeda and its Caliphate dreams, and whitewashes the Islamists in Egypt, in Syria, in Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere.

    The gay-rights movement was communist from the start, and dedicated to the destruction of marriage, which it now demands as a “right.”

    The rhetoric, and the cover, may change; the tactics may change. The strategy remains the same; power, and the rule of the many by the few.


  36. Lily
    36 | March 29, 2013 12:08 pm

    Really?? This is horrid.

    Vile: Planned Parenthood Official Argues Babies Born Alive After A Failed Abortion Should Be Killed…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/29/vile-planned-parenthood-official-argues-babies-born-alive-after-a-failed-abortion-should-be-killed/


  37. Lily
    37 | March 29, 2013 12:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Well said…and in just about all of that runs the theme of death of a lot of people…


  38. 38 | March 29, 2013 12:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    They are all different Progressive factions.


  39. 39 | March 29, 2013 12:12 pm

    @ Lily:

    That’s just sick.


  40. 40 | March 29, 2013 12:13 pm

    @ Lily:

    That’s been Obama’s position on it since he was a State Senator. Yet we are the ones called “radical”. The Republicans don’t have the balls to expose the pro-abortionists as the radical anti-life people that they are.


  41. buzzsawmonkey
    41 | March 29, 2013 12:14 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That’s been Obama’s position on it since he was a State Senator.

    Basically, he’s a younger and better-groomed Kermit Gosnell without the guts to do his own butchery.


  42. Lily
    42 | March 29, 2013 12:15 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It is…yet these same people are against guns because guns kill children (but it is okay to kill babies) and the founders based the 2nd amendment on muskets…no they do not understand what the 2nd amendment is about.


  43. Lily
    43 | March 29, 2013 12:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    That’s been Obama’s position on it since he was a State Senator. Yet we are the ones called “radical”. The Republicans don’t have the balls to expose the pro-abortionists as the radical anti-life people that they are.

    Even the religious people can’t get that message through to these types of people. What is happening is the soul-less radicals are out numbering people who have morals. Morals??? That is so out-dated to them.


  44. 44 | March 29, 2013 12:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Have you seen this?


  45. 45 | March 29, 2013 12:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Honest question. Why is it OK to bash LBJ, Cater and Clinton but we are not allowed to bash Nixon or the Bushes. Why the double standard?
    I am not trying to pick a fight but just wnat to understand the reasoning for the doubkle standard.
    I am just curious, that is all.

    You’re missing the point, as usual. You’re focused on technology and a few old guys you don’t like. Want to see results? Get a clear message and somebody who can articulate it. Then you can use smoke signals and it will still work. As I’ve said before here, I don’t care if you get Vorlon technology, if you don’t articulate a clear and hopeful message, the best you will ever do is a 50-50 chance, and that’s under ideal circumstances.


  46. 46 | March 29, 2013 12:21 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah. I am surprised Biden actually told part of the truth. The “assault Weapons” ban is just the start of it. They intend to disarm us completely. Andrew Cuomo has said the same thing. People that are worried about gun confiscation aren’t just a bunch of conspiracy kooks. That is what the Left really wants, or thinks they want. I think that will start a Civil War, myself, and I think that it should. Ballot box, jury box, and cartridge box. The three boxes that preserve Liberty.


  47. 47 | March 29, 2013 12:22 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    You have to do both. I do not disagree with your message part, I am with you. But without technology, people will not hear that message.

    I have only written about the tip of the Iceberg on OFA. The rest is too scary and I do not want to be on their radar. They are that good at what they do.


  48. 48 | March 29, 2013 12:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Andrew Cuomo scares me more than Obama. He really is a nasty guy.


  49. Da_Beerfreak
    49 | March 29, 2013 12:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    It is…yet these same people are against guns because guns kill children (but it is okay to kill babies) and the founders based the 2nd amendment on muskets…no they do not understand what the 2nd amendment is about.

    I have to disagree. The left fully understands what the 2nd amendment is about. That is why they are scared to death of it and have to destroy it in order to have their way…


  50. Lily
    50 | March 29, 2013 12:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    You have to do both. I do not disagree with your message part, I am with you. But without technology, people will not hear that message.
    I have only written about the tip of the Iceberg on OFA. The rest is too scary and I do not want to be on their radar. They are that good at what they do.

    Then it could be out of fear a lot of blogs don’t mention them.


  51. 51 | March 29, 2013 12:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    They aren’t against guns because guns “kill children”. They simply are using the deaths of chidlren to advance their political agenda. They are against guns because they represent a serious check on their power. They want to be all-powerful. Also, guns are a badge of self-reliance. Having a gun means you can and will defend yourself. Democrats are opposed to self-reliance in all its forms. They want people helpless and defenseless. Everything else they say is just a smokescreen.


  52. 52 | March 29, 2013 12:31 pm

    @ Lily:

    Whats funny is that places like Hot Air and Ace are basically Propaganda blogs for the RNC. If the GOP itself is scared of OFA, then its over. They should be the ones leading the charge against OFA.


  53. Lily
    53 | March 29, 2013 12:32 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    It is…yet these same people are against guns because guns kill children (but it is okay to kill babies) and the founders based the 2nd amendment on muskets…no they do not understand what the 2nd amendment is about.
    I have to disagree. The left fully understands what the 2nd amendment is about. That is why they are scared to death of it and have to destroy it in order to have their way…

    I agree the ones that are in power do…but I was talking about the use-ful idiots. They don’t and I have seen it on display….
    /I need to make my posts more clear a lot of the time I’m talking about just people who vote ( and they vote for the left that is in power and they preach to you how they are right for how they voted and how wrong you are…they don’t make sense!)


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | March 29, 2013 12:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    If the GOP itself is scared of OFA, then its over. They should be the ones leading the charge against OFA.

    They are mesmerized by Obama the way a bird is frozen by the gaze of a snake.


  55. Lily
    55 | March 29, 2013 12:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:
    They aren’t against guns because guns “kill children”. They simply are using the deaths of chidlren to advance their political agenda. They are against guns because they represent a serious check on their power. They want to be all-powerful. Also, guns are a badge of self-reliance. Having a gun means you can and will defend yourself. Democrats are opposed to self-reliance in all its forms. They want people helpless and defenseless. Everything else they say is just a smokescreen.

    Oh I agree…I wasn’t very clear in that comment…the useful idiots who support them think in that manner.
    /sorry about being so unclear. *shakes head* I need to post better darn it.


  56. 56 | March 29, 2013 12:35 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is agreat analogy.


  57. Lily
    58 | March 29, 2013 12:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Whats funny is that places like Hot Air and Ace are basically Propaganda blogs for the RNC. If the GOP itself is scared of OFA, then its over. They should be the ones leading the charge against OFA.

    I’ve seen a couple of people mention them…Michelle Malkin is one of them…you are right though if the RNC which seems to boneless lately doesn’t do something. But you have to keep up hope. Although evil has power for a time it doesn’t last.


  58. Da_Beerfreak
    59 | March 29, 2013 12:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    It is…yet these same people are against guns because guns kill children (but it is okay to kill babies) and the founders based the 2nd amendment on muskets…no they do not understand what the 2nd amendment is about.
    I have to disagree. The left fully understands what the 2nd amendment is about. That is why they are scared to death of it and have to destroy it in order to have their way…

    I agree the ones that are in power do…but I was talking about the use-ful idiots. They don’t and I have seen it on display….
    /I need to make my posts more clear a lot of the time I’m talking about just people who vote ( and they vote for the left that is in power and they preach to you how they are right for how they voted and how wrong you are…they don’t make sense!)

    For the low-info Obama voter (AKA Mushrooms)

    I can’t help but paraphrase a well known W. S. Churchill quote here:
    This illustrates a moron,
    acting like an idiot,
    wrapped in tinfoil.


  59. 60 | March 29, 2013 12:40 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yes I forgot to mention Malkin. She has been warning on OFA for a few years actually.


  60. 61 | March 29, 2013 12:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And if they do vote for it, the voters will throw them out, at least the six Democrat Senators from Red States that are up for re-election in 2014. I bet they wish this issue would just go away.


  61. 62 | March 29, 2013 12:42 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The Democrats are the Party of Rich.


  62. Lily
    63 | March 29, 2013 12:43 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Perfect! They are really deluded and they don’t make sense in the least. They are willing to give up their rights to the wicked ones. Unreal. They only parrot what they hear …. they do not see the evil…they refuse to see it.


  63. Lily
    64 | March 29, 2013 12:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yes I forgot to mention Malkin. She has been warning on OFA for a few years actually.

    Yep…you aren’t the only one. There are some people who are echoing what you are saying or warning. Not all are afraid and that is hope.


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    65 | March 29, 2013 12:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Democrats are the Party of Rich.

    The Democrats are the Party of the Entitled.

    The rich who do not believe themselves “entitled”—usually those who had to build businesses themselves, and therefore do not view their fellow-citizens through the prism of elitism—tend not to be Democrats. Those who believe that they are the Anointed, Special Ones—a malady that tends to afflict people who have been richly rewarded for a Special Talent, like acting, or who have been the recipients of blatant favoritism, like Obama himself—tend to be Democrats.

    But the Party of the Entitled also encompasses those who get Cash For Victimhood, or want to—whether on the basis of race, or sex, or sexual orientation, or some other grievance for which they want to be paid.


  65. 66 | March 29, 2013 12:48 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The NRA is the only organzaition that has gotten the better of OFA. OFA began a social media war on guns, the NRA sent people on social media and rebutted them with facts. That is why Obama is campaigning. He underestimated the NRA.

    The NRA is not the GOP, that was OFA’s mistake. The NRA fights to win.


  66. 67 | March 29, 2013 12:50 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The Hipsters are a perfect example. Born with silver spoons in their mouths, they feel its their right to rule others.


  67. Da_Beerfreak
    68 | March 29, 2013 12:51 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Not only does the NRA know how to fight; they love a good fight and will never back down!!


  68. huckfunn
    69 | March 29, 2013 12:51 pm

    Dumbass o’ the day. Joe Biden heartbroken.


  69. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | March 29, 2013 12:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Hipsters are a perfect example. Born with silver spoons in their mouths, they feel its their right to rule others.

    Which makes them the perfect Democrat constituency; perpetually aggrieved, if they feel that they haven’t been handed Their Fair Share.


  70. Lily
    71 | March 29, 2013 12:53 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    And the regular democrats who don’t fit the victim-hood…envy greatly. They hate the rich ….and wallow in thinking they are white-trash. Yes that is what I have heard from ones who do not understand what is going on…and no they are not white trash but they willing label themselves that because they are told to be so. They also hate anyone who has some money and have saved their money. They are spoiled those who work hard and save their money. No it doesn’t make sense. But it is how they think.


  71. 72 | March 29, 2013 12:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    OFA is run by Hipsters. That is actually its biggest weakness. I have been watching videos of people like Stephanie Cutter, Joe Massina and others. They really believe their own invincibility.


  72. Da_Beerfreak
    73 | March 29, 2013 12:54 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    The Hipsters are a perfect example. Born with silver spoons in their mouths, they feel its their right to rule others.

    Which makes them the perfect Democrat constituency; perpetually aggrieved, if they feel that they haven’t been handed Their Fair Share.

    But when you ask them they haven’t a clue on what the ‘fair share’ should be.


  73. 74 | March 29, 2013 12:54 pm

    @ Rodan:

    There are a lot of gun owners in America. Not all of them are members of the NRA, though. But these people vote. The last time the Democrats passed a gun control law, it cost them the House and Senate. Obama doesn’t care about that. Maybe he is thinking that we’ve had enough elections in America, and we won’t have any more. Or he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about who controls the Legislature. He doesn’t figure that the Republicans have the balls to try and stop him even if they do win both the House and Senate. Either way, though, OFA isn’t going to be able to convince a significant percentage of the gun owners in this country to surrender their rights. Obama has picked a fight he can’t win. hubris, I suspect. Obama thinks he is invincible, and he knows he never has to face the voters again.


  74. 75 | March 29, 2013 12:55 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I have only written about the tip of the Iceberg on OFA. The rest is too scary and I do not want to be on their radar. They are that good at what they do.

    No, they’re not. They turned out less votes in 2012 than O got in 2008. That’s just a fact.


  75. buzzsawmonkey
    76 | March 29, 2013 12:58 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    But when you ask them they haven’t a clue on what the ‘fair share’ should be.

    Major McLeod: He knows what he wants—don’t you, Rocco?

    Johnny Rocco: Yeah! —What do I want?

    McLeod: You want more—don’t you, Rocco?

    Rocco: Yeah! That’s it! I want more!

    McLeod: Will you ever get enough?

    Rocco: I never have. I don’t think I ever will…

    —exchange between Humphrey Bogart as Major McLeod and Edward G. Robinson as Johnny Rocco in “Key Largo”


  76. 77 | March 29, 2013 12:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Fist -- Obama is doing it with Executive Orders -- which the WH media steno pool is keeping on the QT:

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/03/29/obama-quietly-using-executive-orders-to-bypass-congress-on-gun-control/#disqus_thread

    President Obama is quietly moving forward on gun control.

    The president has used his executive powers to bolster the national background check system, jumpstart government research on the causes of gun violence and create a million-dollar ad campaign aimed at safe gun ownership.

    The executive steps will give federal law enforcement officials access to more data about guns and their owners, help keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, and lay the groundwork for future legislative efforts.

    King Pinocchio I -- despot.


  77. 78 | March 29, 2013 12:58 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    They still won, though. That is what counts.


  78. Lily
    79 | March 29, 2013 12:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    OFA is run by Hipsters. That is actually its biggest weakness. I have been watching videos of people like Stephanie Cutter, Joe Massina and others. They really believe their own invincibility.

    From what I can tell hipsters have huge weaknesses….nancies big time. Stand up to them and they cry or have drown themselves in drink.


  79. 80 | March 29, 2013 12:59 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    By several million voters. These people didn’t vote for Romney, but they sat the election out. Obama was always going to be tough to beat. He has being the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT going for him, and a lot of people are still hung up on white guilt. Whomever the Democrats run in 2016 won’t have that going for them. That doesn’t mean we’ll win, but it means that the election is a whole lot more winable.


  80. 81 | March 29, 2013 1:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama has picked a fight he can’t win. hubris, I suspect. Obama thinks he is invincible, and he knows he never has to face the voters again.

    Guns is the one issue that may save the GOP from defeat in 2014. Bloomberg is targeting Red State dems with ads for them to support Gun Control. These ads will hurt the very people he is trying to influence.


  81. 82 | March 29, 2013 1:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I would not be shock if Deval Patrick beats Hillary in the primaries. He has a big advatage over her if you get my drift.


  82. 83 | March 29, 2013 1:02 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I think he is going to order the States to violate HIPPA. That’ll be interesting. The whole background check is just a smokescreen for what they really want, though. What they really want is gun registration. They’ll never be able to sell that to the voters, but they may be able to snooker the low info voters into something that is the equivilent of that. For the Children®, of course. The children that were lucky enough not to be aborted, that is. That’s how much the Left really cares about children.


  83. Da_Beerfreak
    84 | March 29, 2013 1:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    All and then some more, until there ain’t no more…


  84. 85 | March 29, 2013 1:03 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I have written extensively about this over at my blog.

    What you cannot do.

    Why Conservatives, despite being the majority, continue to loose.

    Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end

    The Path Forward.

    The Truth about Karl Rove

    To a substantiate degree I agree with Rodan, OFA is a incredibly technically savvy group. Their prowess was unequaled in the social media arena, both in the application of mob psychology to excite their base and recruit youthful individuals, but equally important was their ability to employe strategic tactics such as the Twitter Gulag to silence their opponents.

    With the Fifth Column Treasonous Media working in concert with the Obamanation Administration and OFA they were able to mount an effective “Politics of Personal Destruction” campaign against the GOP. The Fifth Column Treasonous Media would set the GOP up, while OFA got behind them and got down on their hands and knee’s while Obama, like the classic school yard bully would push them backwards, so that they fell over the waiting OFA goons.

    How and why the GOP waited so long before coming up with their own technologically savvy group is a complete mystery, it’s not like they can be excused for being completely ignorant. Before the 2012 election cycle began I was telling anyone who would listen that the GOP seriously needed to take a very hard and serious look at what the Ronulans had accomplished. Ron Paul’s tech savvy supporters are every bit as technologically adept as those working for OFA.

    There are and always have been two types of political campaign strategy, the Ronald Reagan present a upbeat positive message strategy, and the Bill Clinton Politics of Personal Destruction strategy.

    Obama employed the Clinton Strategy, but he combined it with a conspiratorial Fifth Column Treasonous Media collusion and the social media savvy of OFA.

    It really doesn’t matter what the GOP does, to be frank. As long as the Fifth Column Treasonous Media takes sides with the Marxist Democrats the Marxist Democrats have a nearly unstoppable advantage. OFA doesn’t give the Marxist Democrats that big of an advantage, but, combined with the Fifth Column Treasonous Media, it gives them a very powerful advantage, one the GOP currently has no way of countering.

    Unless the GOP can find an entire group of Andrew Breitbart new media tech savvy warriors who can cancel out the Fifth Column Treasonous Media advantage, taking on OFA or even canceling them out just isnt a game changer.


  85. 86 | March 29, 2013 1:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Another advantage Obama had for him, was the cult like devotion for him that OFA created. Look at his poll numbers, they may dip, but they always rise back up. The American people just love the man.


  86. Lily
    87 | March 29, 2013 1:07 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    There are a lot of gun owners in America. Not all of them are members of the NRA, though. But these people vote. The last time the Democrats passed a gun control law, it cost them the House and Senate. Obama doesn’t care about that. Maybe he is thinking that we’ve had enough elections in America, and we won’t have any more. Or he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about who controls the Legislature. He doesn’t figure that the Republicans have the balls to try and stop him even if they do win both the House and Senate. Either way, though, OFA isn’t going to be able to convince a significant percentage of the gun owners in this country to surrender their rights. Obama has picked a fight he can’t win. hubris, I suspect. Obama thinks he is invincible, and he knows he never has to face the voters again.

    Yep….that is why you are seeing shortages in ammo. The ones who are against guns were against guns before obama too…I am seeing people who never thought about guns and wanting guns getting guns and wanting guns….


  87. Da_Beerfreak
    88 | March 29, 2013 1:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I would not be shock if Deval Patrick beats Hillary in the primaries. He has a big advatage over her if you get my drift.

    The primary system is a joke. The Left can ‘dial in’ any candidate they want for either party…


  88. 89 | March 29, 2013 1:09 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mike C.:
    You have to do both. I do not disagree with your message part, I am with you. But without technology, people will not hear that message.
    I have only written about the tip of the Iceberg on OFA. The rest is too scary and I do not want to be on their radar. They are that good at what they do.
    Then it could be out of fear a lot of blogs don’t mention them.

    That is exactly what it is. Places like Hot Air refuse to touch stuff like that because they fear it will damage their “Creditability” as a serious source of information and political discussion.


  89. RIX
    90 | March 29, 2013 1:12 pm

    The Republicans need to push back against the perception that they are the
    Mean Party, “Evil Republicans” has become a cliche.
    They need to point out that Obama is destroying the economy & therefore
    families.
    Point out, “While you suffer , Obama and his family take fabulous vactions. His
    idea of shared sacrifice is that YOU sacrifice.”


  90. 91 | March 29, 2013 1:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Another advantage Obama had for him, was the cult like devotion for him that OFA created. Look at his poll numbers, they may dip, but they always rise back up. The American people just love the man.

    I think you misunderstand the purpose of poll in this new Joesph Goebbels age of Propaganda and Indoctrination. Polls presented by the Fifth Column Treasonous do not tell you what the American People think. They tell the American People what they are required to think.


  91. 92 | March 29, 2013 1:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes, the whole Cult of Personality thing around Obama is downright creepy. Sane people don’t want to be worshipped as gods. Obama eats it up. He, as he said, believes his own bullshit. We always say that nothing like Nazi Germany can happen here. Obama puts lie to that claim. It can happen here. Obama intends for it to. I think Buzzsawmonkey has OFA pegged about right. Obama intends them to hermit crab the Democrat Party and replace it. ANd what they replace it with will be even worse than the current crop of Democrats. Obama intends to destroy this nation, and he may very well succeed at that.


  92. brookly red
    93 | March 29, 2013 1:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Point out, “While you suffer , Obama and his family take fabulous vactions. His
    idea of shared sacrifice is that YOU sacrifice.”

    class warfare is a blade that cuts both ways…


  93. 94 | March 29, 2013 1:15 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Hot Air is a serious source of information? When did that happen?


  94. 95 | March 29, 2013 1:17 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Hot Air is a serious source of information? When did that happen?

    Before Michelle sold it, but, the new owners haven’t kept it up… :oops:


  95. Da_Beerfreak
    96 | March 29, 2013 1:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama has picked a fight he can’t win. hubris, I suspect. Obama thinks he is invincible, and he knows he never has to face the voters again.

    Guns is the one issue that may save the GOP from defeat in 2014. Bloomberg is targeting Red State dems with ads for them to support Gun Control. These ads will hurt the very people he is trying to influence.

    I love the smell of push back in the morning…
    Heitkamp to NYC mayor: Butt out

    Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., responded sharply today to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s TV ad campaign targeting senators who may be reluctant to support pending gun control legislation.

    Bloomberg is personally financing the campaign in 13 states, including North Dakota, where he believes senators, Republicans and Democrats, need pressure from constituents to vote for requiring background checks for all gun purchases.

    Of the roughly $10 million aimed at boosting support for the legislation across the country, about $156,000 is to be spent in North Dakota.

    “North Dakota continues to have one the highest rates of gun ownership and lowest incidences of gun crime in the country,” Heitkamp said in a statement released Tuesday by her Washington, D.C., office. “Yet New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg insists on taking gun-driven crime statistics in his city and from other major cities and trying to force those numbers into a narrative that just does not fit in North Dakota.

    “Frankly, there are far better uses for Mayor Bloomberg’s $156,000 than buying ads attacking a way of life he clearly does not understand.”


  96. brookly red
  97. Lily
    98 | March 29, 2013 1:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Another advantage Obama had for him, was the cult like devotion for him that OFA created. Look at his poll numbers, they may dip, but they always rise back up. The American people just love the man.

    Depends on region….not many here love him. Although old democrats do.


  98. Lily
    99 | March 29, 2013 1:22 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mike C.:
    You have to do both. I do not disagree with your message part, I am with you. But without technology, people will not hear that message.
    I have only written about the tip of the Iceberg on OFA. The rest is too scary and I do not want to be on their radar. They are that good at what they do.
    Then it could be out of fear a lot of blogs don’t mention them.
    That is exactly what it is. Places like Hot Air refuse to touch stuff like that because they fear it will damage their “Creditability” as a serious source of information and political discussion.

    They don’t know it yet but because of doing that they have already damaged themselves a tad bit.


  99. Lily
    100 | March 29, 2013 1:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The Republicans need to push back against the perception that they are the
    Mean Party, “Evil Republicans” has become a cliche.
    They need to point out that Obama is destroying the economy & therefore
    families.
    Point out, “While you suffer , Obama and his family take fabulous vactions. His
    idea of shared sacrifice is that YOU sacrifice.”

    To be honest a hardcore obama voter and they either are a hardcore voter or they didn’t vote….this does not compute. It’s a lie. What you are telling them isn’t the truth. Trust me I have tried. I have never seen such delusion in my life.


  100. 101 | March 29, 2013 1:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    I agree. I think the media wants you to believe that Americans love the man. I don’t think so. I think he’s so far been able to avoid having anything bad that happens in this administration be attributed to him. However, he overreached with the sequester bull and I think gay marriage is not going to sit too well if the Supreme Court comes back and changes the definition of marriage. He is frankly losing his appeal.


  101. Lily
    102 | March 29, 2013 1:33 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    Hot Air is a serious source of information? When did that happen?
    Before Michelle sold it, but, the new owners haven’t kept it up…

    Just like it to go to pot. Never swipe the joint out.


  102. 103 | March 29, 2013 1:33 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Presidents usually fare poorly in their second term. Even Reagan had considerable difficulty in his second term. Obama is no Great Communicator. He isn’t even much of a leader. He wants to be a god, but I think he’s going to fall short of that goal, too.


  103. 104 | March 29, 2013 1:35 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I agree. I think the media wants you to believe that Americans love the man. I don’t think so. I think he’s so far been able to avoid having anything bad that happens in this administration be attributed to him. However, he overreached with the sequester bull and I think gay marriage is not going to sit too well if the Supreme Court comes back and changes the definition of marriage. He is frankly losing his appeal.

    Doesn’t really matter if he looses his appeal at this point, the Velvet glove always seems so soft and comfortable, it’s only when the Iron Fist crushes you that you recognize that the velvet glove was an illusion, a deception.


  104. Lily
    105 | March 29, 2013 1:38 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I agree. I think the media wants you to believe that Americans love the man. I don’t think so. I think he’s so far been able to avoid having anything bad that happens in this administration be attributed to him. However, he overreached with the sequester bull and I think gay marriage is not going to sit too well if the Supreme Court comes back and changes the definition of marriage. He is frankly losing his appeal.

    Guns, gay marriage, sequester and frankly when you mention the man’s name around here most people *spit*. And on skin color first thing they ask do they have a job? If they do…they don’t care for obama. The media loves him….but in general not the people. Oh some stars do but we all know most of them are loopy as they can get.


  105. RIX
    106 | March 29, 2013 1:45 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Point out, “While you suffer , Obama and his family take fabulous vactions. His
    idea of shared sacrifice is that YOU sacrifice.”

    class warfare is a blade that cuts both ways…

    It has to be thrown back at him. He is causing suffering & destroying the
    Middle Class. The race thing is getting old, people know or should know
    that we are in serious trouble.
    Nobody wants their children & grandchildren buried in debt, but that’s
    where we are.


  106. Lily
    107 | March 29, 2013 1:46 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    To be honest he faired poorly in his first term. More of a novelty than anything.


  107. 108 | March 29, 2013 1:48 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yup, Buzz’s exaplanation jives with what my research on OFA has found.


  108. brookly red
    109 | March 29, 2013 1:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Point out, “While you suffer , Obama and his family take fabulous vactions. His
    idea of shared sacrifice is that YOU sacrifice.”

    class warfare is a blade that cuts both ways…

    It has to be thrown back at him. He is causing suffering & destroying the
    Middle Class. The race thing is getting old, people know or should know
    that we are in serious trouble.
    Nobody wants their children & grandchildren buried in debt, but that’s
    where we are.

    yes agreed, I can’t understand how he was re-elected in the first place… but that is the problem with poison you don’t notice the effects till after you swallow it.


  109. Lily
    110 | March 29, 2013 1:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    Point out, “While you suffer , Obama and his family take fabulous vactions. His
    idea of shared sacrifice is that YOU sacrifice.”
    class warfare is a blade that cuts both ways…
    It has to be thrown back at him. He is causing suffering & destroying the
    Middle Class. The race thing is getting old, people know or should know
    that we are in serious trouble.
    Nobody wants their children & grandchildren buried in debt, but that’s
    where we are.

    Yep and you know what some of them say….suffering is good for a person. Really! Heard it myself. Honestly you want your granchildren to suffer..builds character was the answer I got back. All I knew was they had no character. It’s loopy, crazy thinking.


  110. 111 | March 29, 2013 1:50 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I loved how Hot Air caught hell for their latest anti-Putin smear. Putin is cracking down on Marxist NGOs and Hot Air was condemning him for that. The readers were praising Putin and trashed Hot Air.

    Very odd a “Conservative” blog was defending Marxist NGOs, isn’t it?

    :wink:


  111. Lily
    112 | March 29, 2013 1:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree obama likes being worshipped or thought of as a god…that is bad mojo to be honest.


  112. RIX
    113 | March 29, 2013 1:53 pm

    yes agreed, I can’t understand how he was re-elected in the first place… but that is the problem with poison you don’t notice the effects till after you swallow it.@ brookly red:

    One reason is that the Republicans failed to destroy his mystique.
    They needed to mock him relentlessly.
    But it goes deeper, the electorate has changed & needs to be converted.


  113. brookly red
    114 | March 29, 2013 1:53 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree obama likes being worshipped or thought of as a god…that is bad mojo to be honest.

    bad for him and WORSE for his followers, the God of Abraham is a jealous God.


  114. RIX
    115 | March 29, 2013 1:56 pm

    Yep and you know what some of them say….suffering is good for a person. Really! Heard it myself. Honestly you want your granchildren to suffer..builds character was the answer I got back. All I knew was they had no character. It’s loopy, crazy thinking.@ Lily:

    Right, character building is for the peasants
    I notice that the Obamas aren’t building any.
    Those two grifters are vulgar they way that the live such
    a lavish lifestyle off of us..


  115. brookly red
    116 | March 29, 2013 1:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    yes agreed, I can’t understand how he was re-elected in the first place… but that is the problem with poison you don’t notice the effects till after you swallow it.@ brookly red:

    One reason is that the Republicans failed to destroy his mystique.
    They needed to mock him relentlessly.
    But it goes deeper, the electorate has changed & needs to be converted.

    and the economy is the way to do it… take for example my sister. Poster child for low information voters, a city union worker who never thought about politics much. Times got hard and she started to see the light


  116. Lily
    117 | March 29, 2013 1:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    I agree obama likes being worshipped or thought of as a god…that is bad mojo to be honest.
    bad for him and WORSE for his followers, the God of Abraham is a jealous God.

    Indeed.


  117. Lily
    118 | March 29, 2013 2:01 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Yep and you know what some of them say….suffering is good for a person. Really! Heard it myself. Honestly you want your granchildren to suffer..builds character was the answer I got back. All I knew was they had no character. It’s loopy, crazy thinking.@ Lily:
    Right, character building is for the peasants
    I notice that the Obamas aren’t building any.
    Those two grifters are vulgar they way that the live such
    a lavish lifestyle off of us..

    Oh my goodness they have spent billions on their life-style??? Really? Billions we have payed for their them and the media goes *cricketsI*


  118. brookly red
    119 | March 29, 2013 2:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Those two grifters are vulgar they way that the live such
    a lavish lifestyle off of us..

    and their own envious supporters will turn on them


  119. brookly red
    120 | March 29, 2013 2:03 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Oh my goodness they have spent billions on their life-style??? Really? Billions we have payed for their them and the media goes *cricketsI*

    I got a great idea for a TV show… Lifestyles of the corrupt & famous.


  120. Lily
    121 | March 29, 2013 2:04 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    yes agreed, I can’t understand how he was re-elected in the first place… but that is the problem with poison you don’t notice the effects till after you swallow it.@ brookly red:
    One reason is that the Republicans failed to destroy his mystique.
    They needed to mock him relentlessly.
    But it goes deeper, the electorate has changed & needs to be converted.
    and the economy is the way to do it… take for example my sister. Poster child for low information voters, a city union worker who never thought about politics much. Times got hard and she started to see the light

    Glad to hear that…not that your sister fell on hard times but that there is people that you can get through. In my experience I haven’t come across such a person. Of course my family gives loopy a whole new name. Bless their hearts. It’s Good Friday and I don’t need to be talking ugly.


  121. Lily
    122 | March 29, 2013 2:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Oh my goodness they have spent billions on their life-style??? Really? Billions we have payed for their them and the media goes *cricketsI*
    I got a great idea for a TV show… Lifestyles of the corrupt & famous.

    I. Like. It. ;)


  122. 123 | March 29, 2013 2:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Very odd a “Conservative” blog was defending Marxist NGOs, isn’t it?

    Don’t look at me, I don’t run that joint. :shock:


  123. buzzsawmonkey
    124 | March 29, 2013 2:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Those two grifters are vulgar they way that the live such
    a lavish lifestyle off of us..

    They wallow in public money like hogs.


  124. Lily
    125 | March 29, 2013 2:11 pm

    @ Lily:

    Oh and from jail now …should be added.


  125. brookly red
    126 | March 29, 2013 2:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Glad to hear that…not that your sister fell on hard times but that there is people that you can get through. In my experience I haven’t come across such a person. Of course my family gives loopy a whole new name. Bless their hearts. It’s Good Friday and I don’t need to be talking ugly.

    well that is why OFA does not scare me. the average dem (I was one of them) is not a bad person just ignorant. There is no silver bullet to counter the MSM, OFA and other minions of satan. There is no great plan the GOP can fight back with. Hearts and minds are won like souls are saved, 1 at a time and the first step is to hear the word.


  126. 127 | March 29, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I know that. I was just remarking on how you called out the Marxist infiltration of the Right.


  127. RIX
    128 | March 29, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ brookly red:
    and the economy is the way to do it… take for example my sister. Poster child for low information voters, a city union worker who never thought about politics much. Times got hard and she started to see the light

    Exactly, everyone cares about that. Syria, not so much.


  128. RIX
    129 | March 29, 2013 2:13 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Those two grifters are vulgar they way that the live such
    a lavish lifestyle off of us..
    and their own envious supporters will turn on them
    </blockquot

    e>
    Soon , I hope


  129. brookly red
    130 | March 29, 2013 2:15 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    and the economy is the way to do it… take for example my sister. Poster child for low information voters, a city union worker who never thought about politics much. Times got hard and she started to see the light

    Exactly, everyone cares about that. Syria, not so much.

    so find just one liberal with half a brain and show them the errors of their ways… force multiplier!


  130. RIX
    131 | March 29, 2013 2:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Those two grifters are vulgar they way that the live such
    a lavish lifestyle off of us..
    They wallow in public money like hogs.
    </blockquote

    Yet the MSM shills Obama as populist man of the people.


  131. Lily
    132 | March 29, 2013 2:16 pm

    @ brookly red:

    It’s the ones in power that are dangerous ones…but I agree most democrats aren’t leftists…..now the fringe democrats are loopy.


  132. RIX
    133 | March 29, 2013 2:16 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    @ brookly red:
    and the economy is the way to do it… take for example my sister. Poster child for low information voters, a city union worker who never thought about politics much. Times got hard and she started to see the light
    Exactly, everyone cares about that. Syria, not so much.

    so find just one liberal with half a brain and show them the errors of their ways… force multiplier!

    First you have to get past the ego, not easy.


  133. RIX
    134 | March 29, 2013 2:17 pm

    Headed to the gym. Later Gators.


  134. 135 | March 29, 2013 2:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Exactly, everyone cares about that. Syria, not so much.

    Real unemployment is still north of 10%, and yet Obama won. That is hard to fathom. You’d have thought the unemployed would have turned out in droves to throw him out.


  135. buzzsawmonkey
    136 | March 29, 2013 2:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    the average dem (I was one of them) is not a bad person just ignorant.

    Dese Dems doze.


  136. buzzsawmonkey
    137 | March 29, 2013 2:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Real unemployment is still north of 10%, and yet Obama won. That is hard to fathom. You’d have thought the unemployed would have turned out in droves to throw him out.

    Where do you think three years of “stimulus” money rolling off the printing presses went? Into extended unemployment benefits, shady disability payments, Obamaphones and EBT cards.

    Remember that once Obama rammed through the first Stimulus it was replicated in the continuing resolutions every succeeding year. That’s why we’ve been running yearly deficits of a trillion-plus; it wasn’t just a one-time thing, but has become part of the ingrained structure. You can buy off a lot of un- or underemployed people if you’re throwing around a trillion bucks a year in borrowed money.


  137. brookly red
    138 | March 29, 2013 2:26 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Exactly, everyone cares about that. Syria, not so much.

    Real unemployment is still north of 10%, and yet Obama won. That is hard to fathom. You’d have thought the unemployed would have turned out in droves to throw him out.

    2 words voter fraud


  138. BatGuano
    139 | March 29, 2013 2:27 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    You’d have thought the unemployed would have turned out in droves to throw him out.

    What! and give up benefits? I think we are passed the point where many Americans believe it is their personal and civic duty to work for what they get. When “Bread and Circuses” are so abundant and federal largess is so easy to obtain. Why would they want to end all that?


  139. brookly red
    140 | March 29, 2013 2:30 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    You’d have thought the unemployed would have turned out in droves to throw him out.

    What! and give up benefits? I think we are passed the point where many Americans believe it is their personal and civic duty to work for what they get. When “Bread and Circuses” are so abundant and federal largess is so easy to obtain. Why would they want to end all that?

    UIB pays less than half of a pay check and is not enough to live on, those collecting need to supplement with their retirement savings… not good.


  140. 141 | March 29, 2013 2:32 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah, but that can’t last. Sooner or later our creditors are going to wise up to the fact that we can never pay our debt. We won’t even mbe able to make the interest payments in about ten years. The whole thing will come crashing down. Of course, Obama sees that as afeature, not a bug.


  141. buzzsawmonkey
    142 | March 29, 2013 2:34 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    What! and give up benefits? I think we are passed the point where many Americans believe it is their personal and civic duty to work for what they get. When “Bread and Circuses” are so abundant and federal largess is so easy to obtain. Why would they want to end all that?

    That actually brings up an interesting point; the normalization in the larger society of what I will call, for want of a better word, the ghetto mentality.

    The Seventies and Eighties normalized the sexual mores of the gay bar—itself basically modeled on ghetto hooker culture—in the middle class of society at large.

    To that social breakdown Obama has normalized and mainstreamed welfare culture; everybody’s looking for his slice of Uncle Sam’s benefit pie.

    Casual sexual liasons, expectation of support, loan guarantees, subsidies and bailouts. Those who do not participate in this sort of lifestyle are increasingly seen as anomalies.


  142. 143 | March 29, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Way less than half a paycheck. My wife was out of work for about a month about this time last year, and it really pinched us. We’d have really been hurting if she hadn’t found a job. I can’t imagine being one of the people who’s been out of work for a year or more, but there are a lot of them. They didn’t turn out to vote for Romney, though.


  143. BatGuano
    144 | March 29, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Combine unemployment insurance with section 8 housing, food stamps and god knows what else, it might be attractive to some people. Since the (Great Society,sic) we have generations on welfare.


  144. 145 | March 29, 2013 2:37 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    More free stuff for deadbeats. This one is really special. I have to say, it almost makes me consider letting our mortgage get behind. We could use a cut in interest rates, too. That is, of course, the behavior that the Obama Administration is trying to encourage.


  145. buzzsawmonkey
    146 | March 29, 2013 2:38 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Combine unemployment insurance with section 8 housing, food stamps and god knows what else, it might be attractive to some people. Since the (Great Society,sic) we have generations on welfare.

    There have been studies which show that if you know how to work the system with the things you describe, you can end up living entirely on public benefits at a financial level equivalent to someone who earns something in the neighborhood of $40-$50 thousand but pays taxes.


  146. buzzsawmonkey
    147 | March 29, 2013 2:41 pm

    @ BatGuano:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Add to that the number of people who’ve been added to public payrolls at padded salaries and benefits, who “pay taxes” but are merely giving back a portion of the inflated public-money compensation they get, and you’ve got a real problem.


  147. buzzsawmonkey
    148 | March 29, 2013 2:43 pm

    Public-payroll workers paying taxes is actually an interesting joke, when you think about it. Someone makes, say, $50,000 plus benefits on the public dime; they “pay taxes” on that, but are really just kicking back a portion of their salary into the same treasury their salary came out of in the first place.


  148. BatGuano
    149 | March 29, 2013 2:45 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Sometimes my wife and I feel like fools for working everyday and having a level of existence of equal to the “Poor.” And we do not have an Obama phone. We pay for ours.


  149. 150 | March 29, 2013 2:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I know that. I was just remarking on how you called out the Marxist infiltration of the Right.

    Yea, well I really haven’t been having much success getting people to listen to me on that front. Turns out that there really aren’t a whole lot of people willing to take a ruthlessly honest self appraisal if said appraisal hints that they might be part of the problem.

    The simply truth is this, if you are a natural born American citizen who was educated by the American public education system from 1950 onwards, then you have been indoctrinated by hook crook and deceit into a substantial number of Marxist ideological positions.

    The problem here is, that the second you tell anyone who believes themselves to be a Conservative, libertarian or independent that they have been indoctrinated into Marxism without their even knowing it is, that they automatically get offended, they instantly assume that you are insulting their intelligence and denigrating their rational and cognitive abilities. Moreover, they also instantly assume that you are dong this intentionally as an insult, rather than as an attempt to open their eyes to something that happened to them that they are unaware of.

    I began to suspect that I had been indoctrinated into Marxism by stealth in school about 20 years ago, sadly it took me a long time to figure out. I had to actually compare the ideological foundations of Marxism to the ideological foundations of what I was taught both in school and through the propaganda of the Fifth Column Treasonous Media before I really began to understand how pervasive that indoctrination was. Before you can begin to see it, you have to cease being in denial about it. That is the hardest part, because one of the core indoctrination points is, “It can’t Happen here”. Even as we, as Americans, are being indoctrinated, we are being bombarded with the mantra that we can’t be indoctrinated.


  150. BatGuano
    151 | March 29, 2013 2:47 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Obama phone.

    Wouldn’t an Obamaphone be anything that sounds like “Obama.”


  151. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | March 29, 2013 2:47 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    And we do not have an Obama phone.

    Evvabuddy got Obamaphone™! Keep Obama in prezdint!


  152. brookly red
    153 | March 29, 2013 3:01 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    Combine unemployment insurance with section 8 housing, food stamps and god knows what else, it might be attractive to some people. Since the (Great Society,sic) we have generations on welfare.

    apples and oranges good sir welfare is welfare unemployment is not welfare.


  153. waldensianspirit
    154 | March 29, 2013 3:03 pm

    @ BatGuano:
    Nor a RomneyPhone


  154. BatGuano
    155 | March 29, 2013 3:06 pm

    Since the thread has slowed down a bit I want to recommend a book: Coolidge by Amity Shlaes. It is a prequel to her her great, The Forgotten Man. The new York Times had a snarky review, but what would you expect from that quarter?

    Coolidge was the last federalist president (my words)and the succeeding presidents could have learned from him. Reagen did.


  155. 156 | March 29, 2013 3:09 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Everyone who works pays for unemployment insurance. Youve paid for it while you were working, and you draw out based partly on what you’ve paid in. Not entirely, though, because if you’ve been employed for 15 years without a break, you can still only draw so much for so long, just like someone who’s only been employed for the minimum amount of time. But make no mistake, you’ve already paid for your unemployment. Now the implementation of it is probably a Ponzi Scheme like Social Security, but that’s a different thing.


  156. 157 | March 29, 2013 3:12 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Good point, neither is disability or Social Security.


  157. brookly red
    158 | March 29, 2013 3:15 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Everyone who works pays for unemployment insurance. Youve paid for it while you were working, and you draw out based partly on what you’ve paid in. Not entirely, though, because if you’ve been employed for 15 years without a break, you can still only draw so much for so long, just like someone who’s only been employed for the minimum amount of time. But make no mistake, you’ve already paid for your unemployment. Now the implementation of it is probably a Ponzi Scheme like Social Security, but that’s a different thing.

    yup, and it is no incentive to be unemployed…


  158. BatGuano
    159 | March 29, 2013 3:15 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    apples and oranges good sir welfare is welfare unemployment is not welfare.

    Unemployment is indeed not welfare. Unemployment is paid for by employee and employer.If I were unemployed during any presidents tenure I would vote against him or her.The unemployed were a significant voting bloc in 2012 yet Obama was reelected. The question was why obama was reelected.I was commenting on what I believe to be a pernicious trend in this country: to vote for the person who can give them the most “stuff.”
    I don’t know what percentage of unemployed voted for him but it is odd that he was reelected considering the worst economy of my relatively long life-time.


  159. BatGuano
    160 | March 29, 2013 3:22 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    yup, and it is no incentive to be unemployed…

    If you are getting unemployment benefits are you ineligible for other local/state/federal benefits?


  160. 161 | March 29, 2013 3:24 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    But all three do engender dependency on government. To the extent that these people are dependent on the government for their sustenance, that helps the Party of Government, which would, of course, be the Democrats.


  161. brookly red
    162 | March 29, 2013 3:29 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    yup, and it is no incentive to be unemployed…

    If you are getting unemployment benefits are you ineligible for other local/state/federal benefits?

    usually, they are means tested if you have savings then no, there are some exceptions for example a veteran can get section 8 but that is about it.


  162. BatGuano
    163 | March 29, 2013 3:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    usually, they are means tested if you have savings then no, t

    Means tested? I didn’t know that. They could save a couple of bucks by means testing social security. Fine with me. I have paid so much into social security over the last 41 years and paid a shit load to the feds for expenditures far beyond what the constitution mandates I’m all for means testing. I have nothing to fear.


  163. BatGuano
    164 | March 29, 2013 3:43 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    But all three do engender dependency on government. To the extent that these people are dependent on the government for their sustenance, that helps the Party of Government, which would, of course, be the Democrats.

    That is true. It is surprising how many conservatives take these things as a birthright and don’t see the danger. I would have liked the opportunity to take care of myself but my taxes go to take care of someone else.Democrats win. Again.


  164. 165 | March 29, 2013 3:43 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    Ultimately they are going to have to means-test Social Security and Medicare. Why should I be paying taxes to pay for Warren Buffet’s health care just because he is old? That makes no sense.


  165. 166 | March 29, 2013 3:44 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    usually, they are means tested if you have savings then no, t

    Means tested? I didn’t know that. They could save a couple of bucks by means testing social security. Fine with me. I have paid so much into social security over the last 41 years and paid a shit load to the feds for expenditures far beyond what the constitution mandates I’m all for means testing. I have nothing to fear.

    I absolutely agree; this should be a priority, if for no other reason than its appearance.


  166. 167 | March 29, 2013 3:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ BatGuano:
    Ultimately they are going to have to means-test Social Security and Medicare. Why should I be paying taxes to pay for Warren Buffet’s health care just because he is old? That makes no sense.

    If Warren Buffet can’t collect SS or Medicare, then why should he pay in?


  167. BatGuano
    168 | March 29, 2013 3:54 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    If Warren Buffet can’t collect SS or Medicare, then why should he pay in?

    His income derives from investments so I don’t know that he does pay in. He pays taxes at a lower rate than many Americans because he is on no ones payroll.


  168. 169 | March 29, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Personally, I’d like to get rid of all of it, but you are never going to be able to do that. Besides, Buffet says he dosen’t pay enough taxes, anyway. He shouldn’t object. Oh, I’m sure he’d scream, but that’s because he’s a hippocrit.


  169. 170 | March 29, 2013 3:56 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    No. He gets $100,000/year in salary from Berkshire-Hathaway.


  170. RIX
    171 | March 29, 2013 3:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Real unemployment is still north of 10%, and yet Obama won. That is hard to fathom. You’d have thought the unemployed would have turned out in droves to throw him out.

    There is a large segment of the American populace that it
    is impossible to under estimate.


  171. BatGuano
    172 | March 29, 2013 4:01 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ BatGuano:
    No. He gets $100,000/year in salary from Berkshire-Hathaway.

    A billionaire makes 100,000 a year? He is shittin’ in tall cotton! Give him maximum Social Security benefits! I’ll just delay my retirement a few more years.


  172. RIX
    173 | March 29, 2013 4:01 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ BatGuano:
    No. He gets $100,000/year in salary from Berkshire-Hathaway.

    He lives off of his investments which are taxed lower.
    He could always pay more in taxes if he chose to.
    Buffet is a financial genuis, but I don’t like him
    lecturing about other peoples responsibilities.


  173. 174 | March 29, 2013 4:07 pm

    Y’all are missing my point. Why should anybody pay in to SS if they can’t get anything out? It was NOT established as a welfare payment, now was it? If it is, then terminate it, pay out the contributors over time, then kill it. Or just make the payments equal for everybody, regardless of how much they’ve paid in. Sound fair? And of course, if you croak after getting your first payment, well, tough.


  174. BatGuano
    175 | March 29, 2013 4:07 pm

    RIX wrote:

    He lives off of his investments which are taxed lower.
    He could always pay more in taxes if he chose to.
    Buffet is a financial genuis, but I don’t like him
    lecturing about other peoples responsibilities.

    That is one of reasons I am no longer a democrat. I am too poor and I am not a hypocrite.


  175. Lily
    176 | March 29, 2013 4:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Real unemployment is still north of 10%, and yet Obama won. That is hard to fathom. You’d have thought the unemployed would have turned out in droves to throw him out.
    There is a large segment of the American populace that it
    is impossible to under estimate.

    I quite concur. You honestly have to talk to them and your jaw will just drop to the floor. The oddist thing ever.


  176. Lily
    177 | March 29, 2013 4:10 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    He lives off of his investments which are taxed lower.
    He could always pay more in taxes if he chose to.
    Buffet is a financial genuis, but I don’t like him
    lecturing about other peoples responsibilities.
    That is one of reasons I am no longer a democrat. I am too poor and I am not a hypocrite.

    Here! Here! They are morally bankrupt…not all but too many..


  177. BatGuano
    178 | March 29, 2013 4:17 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Y’all are missing my point. Why should anybody pay in to SS if they can’t get anything out? It was NOT established as a welfare payment, now was it? If it is, then terminate it, pay out the contributors over time, then kill it. Or just make the payments equal for everybody, regardless of how much they’ve paid in. Sound fair? And of course, if you croak after getting your first payment, well, tough.

    Warren Buffet is eligible for social security when he retires and I suspect he will take it. S/S was a bad idea to begin with ; one of many out of that progressive pampered millionaire FDR. we now have a s/s crisis where there not enough workers to support the retirees.
    Thank you, FDR.


  178. BatGuano
    179 | March 29, 2013 4:21 pm

    @ Lily:
    It is so easy to be a liberal when you are wealthy.


  179. BatGuano
    180 | March 29, 2013 4:24 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It is so easy to be a liberal when you are wealthy.

    Or on the government dole.


  180. RIX
    181 | March 29, 2013 4:35 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    He lives off of his investments which are taxed lower.
    He could always pay more in taxes if he chose to.
    Buffet is a financial genuis, but I don’t like him
    lecturing about other peoples responsibilities.

    That is one of reasons I am no longer a democrat. I am too poor and I am not a hypocrite.

    This is not my fathers Democrat Party. He would be ashamed of them.


  181. 182 | March 29, 2013 4:38 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    Warren Buffet is 83. He was eligible to start collecting SS years ago.


  182. BatGuano
    183 | March 29, 2013 4:47 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Warren Buffet is 83. He was eligible to start collecting SS years ago.

    I know he is past that age. Did he collect? I don’t know.


  183. BatGuano
    184 | March 29, 2013 4:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    He lives off of his investments which are taxed lower.
    He could always pay more in taxes if he chose to.
    Buffet is a financial genuis, but I don’t like him
    lecturing about other peoples responsibilities.
    That is one of reasons I am no longer a democrat. I am too poor and I am not a hypocrite.

    This is not my fathers Democrat Party. He would be ashamed of them.

    my dad was a life long democrat. He saw the light when he and my mom voted for Reagen.Twice.


  184. BatGuano
    185 | March 29, 2013 4:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    This is not my fathers Democrat Party. He would be ashamed of them.

    To me, the real danger now is too many young people being too comfortable with getting checks from the government regardless of the source or the rationale.


  185. 186 | March 29, 2013 5:14 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Warren Buffet is 83. He was eligible to start collecting SS years ago.
    I know he is past that age. Did he collect? I don’t know.

    I doubt it. But why shouldn’t he? It was supposed to be a pension scheme. He paid in, why shouldn’t he take out? I don’t see that the fact that he is fabulously rich (or liberal) has anything to do with that. A contract is a contract.


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