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Unemployment rate for Americans under age 25, adjusting for decline in labor force since start of recession: 22.9%

by Speranza ( 176 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, unemployment at April 9th, 2013 - 8:00 am

As a reader posted “Young people think they are smarter then the rest of us. What they don’t realize is, they were used and are now discarded by their abuser. A man who laughs at them along with us. He laughs because he could, and we laugh because we see their stupidity.” Until we can correct their cognitive dissonance, Obama will get away with this.

by Ben Casselman

22.9%: The unemployment rate for Americans under age 25, adjusting for the decline in the labor force since the start of the recession.

Perhaps no group has been hit harder by the recession and grinding recovery than the young. The official unemployment rate for those under age 25 is 16.2%, more than double the rate for the population as a whole. In percentage terms, unemployment has fallen far more slowly for young people than for the wider population.

Those figures actually understate the severity of the problem, however. The government only considers people “unemployed” if they’re actively looking for work. People who stop looking—whether they’re retired, in school, raising a family or living on friends’ couches — are instead considered “not in the labor force,” even if they would prefer to work given the opportunity.

When the recession began in December, 2007, 59.2% of the under-25 population was in the labor force, meaning they were either working or looking for work. Today, that figure has fallen to 54.5%. That may not sound like a big drop, but it makes a huge difference. If the so-called participation rate had remained unchanged, there would be 1.8 million more young people in the labor force today than there actually are. Counting those people as unemployed, rather than out of the labor force, would push the unemployment rate up to 22.9%.  [........]

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The decline accelerated during the recession, as many young people sought refuge in college or other forms of education or training. In a normal cycle, that might have worked out well, leaving a generation of highly educated workers ready to re-enter the job market when the economy recovered. Instead, they have been graduating into a labor market that remains deeply challenged, especially for those without much work experience. To make matters worse, many graduates are carrying hefty debt burdens, and those who can find work are often being forced to low-skill jobs.

The youth participation rate has largely flattened out over the past three years, but it fell again in March. Some 236,000 young people left the labor force last month, accounting for nearly half of all drop-outs. That helped push the overall participation rate to a more than 30-year low.

It isn’t clear exactly what drove the March decline. Raymond Stone, an economist with Stone & McCarthy Research Associates who dives deeply into the jobs numbers each month, notes that the number of young people saying they’re “discouraged” — meaning they aren’t looking for jobs because they don’t think they can find one — has been trending downward. The number who say they’re in school or training hasn’t fallen much, but it’s no longer rising.  [........]

Whatever the explanation, this much is clear: For young people, the aftershocks of the recession continue to reverberate.

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  1. 1 | April 9, 2013 8:12 am

    And yet the majority of these people voted for Obama. I have no pity for them. They got what they voted for. They can suck it up and go get a job mowing lawns, or they can starve.


  2. 2 | April 9, 2013 8:13 am

    You get what you vote for sometimes…


  3. eaglesoars
    3 | April 9, 2013 8:36 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Mike C.:

    Third time the charm? I think the same thing -- they voted for it, let ‘em eat their ramen noodles.

    But I don’t for a nanosecond think they’ll connect the dots. No way will they lay this at Obama’s feet. That would be head-exploding psychological dissonance. Remember the Susan Estrich Outrage piece? ID DIDN’T VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE I THOUGHT MY TAXES ARE TOO LOW.

    It takes a special kind of stupid……..


  4. 4 | April 9, 2013 8:40 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    They are not going to vote for a Party that hates them.


  5. 5 | April 9, 2013 8:41 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    If Republicans were smart, they would take advantage of this. But I am alone in wanting to cut the Democrat’s throat.


  6. 6 | April 9, 2013 8:46 am

    @ Rodan:

    The Republican Party doesn’t hate them. That is, frankly, delusional. Not wanting to pay for Sandra Fluke’s birth control isn’t hate. It isn’t a “War on Women”. Face it, these losers voted for the “cool” guy. That is what their decision was made on. They have made their beds. What are we supposed to do? Promise them more free shit? Amertica is going bankrupt from free shit.


  7. eaglesoars
    7 | April 9, 2013 8:47 am

    Rodan wrote:

    But I am alone in wanting to cut the Democrat’s throat.

    Well in the sense that I focus on a different part of the anatomy, yes, you are.

    check yer mail


  8. 8 | April 9, 2013 8:47 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Have a little faith. I voted for Carter his first time out. I learned the hard way, but I learned.


  9. theoutsider
    9 | April 9, 2013 8:49 am

    If you gave them the knife, and pointed to the throat, they wouldn’t know what to do next. Remember, it was Bobby Jindal that told them to stop being the Stupid Party


  10. eaglesoars
    10 | April 9, 2013 8:53 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    I voted for Carter his first time out

    ‘first time’ being the operative phrase.

    I stopped reading Ann Alhouse because 3 weeks before the election she posted that altho she had voted for Obama the first time, this time she was ‘on the fence’.

    a complete waste of brain cells, not to mention a moral compass that is inoperative


  11. Speranza
    11 | April 9, 2013 8:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    And yet the majority of these people voted for Obama. I have no pity for them. They got what they voted for. They can suck it up and go get a job mowing lawns, or they can starve.

    I agree with all of that. Although I read that Romney won the 18 -- 29 year old white demographic.


  12. Speranza
    12 | April 9, 2013 8:56 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Third time the charm? I think the same thing — they voted for it, let ‘em eat their ramen noodles.

    But I don’t for a nanosecond think they’ll connect the dots. No way will they lay this at Obama’s feet.

    Classic cognitive dissonance.


  13. eaglesoars
    13 | April 9, 2013 9:02 am

    gotta go. busy day


  14. Speranza
    14 | April 9, 2013 9:06 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    If you gave them the knife, and pointed to the throat, they wouldn’t know what to do next. Remember, it was Bobby Jindal that told them to stop being the Stupid Party

    At least our guy knows that “Austrian” is not a language.


  15. Speranza
    15 | April 9, 2013 9:07 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Have a little faith. I voted for Carter his first time out. I learned the hard way, but I learned.

    Moi aussi.


  16. Speranza
    16 | April 9, 2013 9:08 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    ‘first time’ being the operative phrase.

    I stopped reading Ann Alhouse because 3 weeks before the election she posted that altho she had voted for Obama the first time, this time she was ‘on the fence’.

    a complete waste of brain cells, not to mention a moral compass that is inoperative

    I like Ann Althouse but I could not for the life of me understand why she voted for Obama in 2008.


  17. 17 | April 9, 2013 9:09 am

    @ Speranza:

    Probably knows how many states there are, too.


  18. Speranza
    18 | April 9, 2013 9:10 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    They can suck it up and go get a job mowing lawns, or they can starve.

    Or go on food stamps and section 8 housing.


  19. theoutsider
    19 | April 9, 2013 9:10 am

    @ Speranza:
    And our guys can pronounce Nuclear. So what.


  20. Speranza
    20 | April 9, 2013 9:11 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Probably knows how many states there are, too.

    And knows it is not a Navy corpse-man.


  21. Speranza
    22 | April 9, 2013 9:12 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    And our guys can pronounce Nuclear. So what.

    Don’t be a jackass. Bush (I am not a fan of his) speaks with a Texas accent. I’ll see your Nuke-lear and raise you a Maldives (instead of Malvinas) Islands. Also I salute his (Obama’s) great uncle who heped liberate Auschwitz (he was in the Red Army?). Bush also had the technical skills and smarts to fly supersonic jet fighters while Obama cannot even roll a bowling ball and throws a baseball like a girl.


  22. huckfunn
    23 | April 9, 2013 9:15 am

    The topic of this thread is evocative of Margaret Thatcher’s words… The socialists “would rather that the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less rich”. YOU GO, MAGGIE!


  23. Speranza
    24 | April 9, 2013 9:15 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    Ugh.
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2013/04/08/countdown-begins-on-microsoft-pulling-plug-on-windows-xp/?intcmp=obnetwork

    They want you to buy Windows 8.
    It is time to break up Microsoft.


  24. Speranza
    25 | April 9, 2013 9:16 am

    @ huckfunn:
    She devastated that Socialist. Can you imagine John McCain doing that?


  25. 26 | April 9, 2013 9:19 am

    @ Speranza:

    XP Pro was as good as MS OS ever got. It’s been all downhill from there. Fuck over the serious/business users to appeal to the hip, who don’t even use laptops/desktops any more.

    Great marketing plan, Bill!


  26. huckfunn
    27 | April 9, 2013 9:19 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    She devastated that Socialist. Can you imagine John McCain doing that?

    She really got under his skin. He was very animated in shaking his head and mouthing “no”. She got it right. Same thing here in the U.S. BO’s policies are hurting the poor the most, particularly the blacks, but he’s OK with that as long as he can stick it to the rich.


  27. Speranza
    28 | April 9, 2013 9:21 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    XP Pro was as good as MS OS ever got. It’s been all downhill from there. Fuck over the serious/business users to appeal to the hip, who don’t even use laptops/desktops any more.
    Great marketing plan, Bill!

    I have Windows 7 and although not as steady as it should be I am pretty satisfied with it. I still think Windows XP was their best system however.


  28. huckfunn
    29 | April 9, 2013 9:21 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    She devastated that Socialist. Can you imagine John McCain doing that?

    McLame can’t even muster the fortitude to call the socialists “socialists”.


  29. Speranza
    30 | April 9, 2013 9:23 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    She really got under his skin. He was very animated in shaking his head and mouthing “no”. She got it right. Same thing here in the U.S. BO’s policies are hurting the poor the most, particularly the blacks, but he’s OK with that as long as he can stick it to the rich.

    Their idea of equality is make every one (except themselves) equally poor. When Thatcher left office in 1990 unemployment in the UK was 5.8%.


  30. theoutsider
    31 | April 9, 2013 9:23 am

    @ Speranza:
    I know you’re not a Bush fan. I was just calling you out on your pettiness of the Austrian comment.


  31. Speranza
    32 | April 9, 2013 9:24 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    She devastated that Socialist. Can you imagine John McCain doing that?

    McLame can’t even muster the fortitude to call the socialists “socialists”.

    That shit head could not even bring up Reverend Wright. And who was giving Romney advice? Romney never brought up BP and Jon Corzine.


  32. 33 | April 9, 2013 9:24 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Carter couldn’t.


  33. Speranza
    34 | April 9, 2013 9:29 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I know you’re not a Bush fan. I was just calling you out on your pettiness of the Austrian comment.

    Get off your high horse. Your side did the petty shit all the time. How do you like being served the same shit sandwich -- taste good???


  34. theoutsider
    35 | April 9, 2013 9:32 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’ve never heard him pronounce nuclear. All I know is that he was a shitty president. The second worst of my lifetime, after George W Bush.


  35. Speranza
    36 | April 9, 2013 9:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ theoutsider:
    Carter could not find his **** with both his hands.


  36. theoutsider
    37 | April 9, 2013 9:34 am

    @ Speranza:
    I won’t if you won’t. Can we leave it at that?


  37. 38 | April 9, 2013 9:37 am

    @ Speranza:

    57 states
    10,000 dead in a tornado
    Newton children killed with AUTOMATIC weapons


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | April 9, 2013 9:38 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    All I know is that [Carter] was a shitty president. The second worst of my lifetime, after George W Bush Barack Hussein Obama.

    Tidied that up for you.


  39. 40 | April 9, 2013 9:39 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yep. Far and away.


  40. 41 | April 9, 2013 9:42 am

    Bush isn’t the only American president to lose the “nucular” war. In his “On Language” column in the New York Times Magazine in May 2001, William Safire lamented that, besides Bush, at least three other presidents Eisenhower, Carter, and Clinton have mangled the word.


  41. theoutsider
    42 | April 9, 2013 9:44 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    And how does Bush rank in your mind?


  42. 43 | April 9, 2013 9:45 am

    @ theoutsider:

    After Obama, Carter and LBJ, the 4th Worst President of the last 50 years.


  43. theoutsider
    44 | April 9, 2013 9:46 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Did they mangle it on every occasion, like Bush?


  44. 45 | April 9, 2013 9:46 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Obama is the worst President in the history of the United States. He completely mishandled the so-called Arab Spring® (Muslim Democracy == Islamofascist Dictatorship), and Iran is going to go nuclear (however you want to pronounce it) under his watch. He has pissed on our friends and cozied up to our enemies. And that is just his foreign policy. Domestically he has been a disaster. We have the longest period of extended unemployment since the Depression, and he has just made things worse. Now he wants gun control and illegal immigrant amnesty. I don’t think he is going to get the gun control, though. Even the Democrats are balking at what he wants.


  45. buzzsawmonkey
    46 | April 9, 2013 9:47 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I don’t give a damn if a President can pronounce ‘nuclear’ properly, as long as he knows the proper time to use the nukes if necessary, gives the proper commands and has the proper codes. It’s not how he pronounces the word; it’s how he makes the decisions.

    As far as people whose business it is to pronounce words is concerned, the would-be-BBC-peabrains over at NPR can’t even pronounce “February” properly—unless, of course, their consistent dropping of the “R” and saying “FebYOOary” is a way to subtly signal that they know they are R’s holes…


  46. buzzsawmonkey
    47 | April 9, 2013 9:49 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    And how does Bush rank in your mind?

    Better than you believe him to be, worse than he should have been, overly weak in defending his own actions, and damned to hell forever for creating the conditions that permitted the current occupant of the White House to come to power.


  47. 48 | April 9, 2013 9:49 am

    @ Speranza:

    Her barely won it and lost it in the Northeast, Midwest and West Coast. It was the South and Plain states that gave him his narrow win for young White voters.

    But Republicans need to stop thinking that getting only white voters will win them elections. That train has left the station.


  48. 49 | April 9, 2013 9:50 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Precisely. Right now President Putz is attempting to rewrite the Second Amendment but by all means lets focus on mispronunciations of a President now out of office five years.


  49. 50 | April 9, 2013 9:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I have a post at 11 on how the NRA defeated OFA.


  50. 51 | April 9, 2013 9:52 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Of course, no one ever held the Democrats to account for their role either. Republicans were held to account for their complicity in Bush’s spending. They were kicked out of office in 2006.


  51. 52 | April 9, 2013 9:52 am

    @ Rodan:

    Just wrote them a check for $40 for the ILA fund.


  52. 53 | April 9, 2013 9:52 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    If you gave them the knife, and pointed to the throat, they wouldn’t know what to do next. Remember, it was Bobby Jindal that told them to stop being the Stupid Party

    I do not like Democrtas/Progressives but I have begrudging respect for your side. You guys are ruthless and fight to win.


  53. 54 | April 9, 2013 9:53 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The NRA are the only organization that has stopped OFA cold.


  54. 55 | April 9, 2013 9:54 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Buzz- funny you should say that. I was talking to Speranza on Sunday night and said that people forget that when Bush took the time to explain his actions, his poll numbers actually increased.

    And President Putz is down 2 more at Ras today, -13.


  55. theoutsider
    56 | April 9, 2013 9:54 am

    @ Rodan:
    LBJ, because of Vietnam? If that, I tend to agree.


  56. 57 | April 9, 2013 9:54 am

    @ Speranza:

    Itw as even lower in 1989, when it was at 5%. She left during a recession. That 5.8% would look pretty good right now!


  57. 58 | April 9, 2013 9:54 am

    @ Rodan:

    No doubt. The NRA has fought back against tyranny since it’s founding.


  58. 59 | April 9, 2013 9:55 am

    @ theoutsider:

    The Great Society as well. It created the dependency culture that haunts us to this day.


  59. 60 | April 9, 2013 9:56 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    You will love the picture I have. It is a sample of the NRA’s social media attack.


  60. theoutsider
    61 | April 9, 2013 9:56 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    In other words, he’s a rotten president.


  61. 62 | April 9, 2013 9:57 am

    @ Rodan:

    The Great Society destroyed the black family and established an entitlement program that will bankrupt the U.S. in time.


  62. 63 | April 9, 2013 9:57 am

    @ Rodan:

    Cool. I’m looking forward to it.


  63. 64 | April 9, 2013 9:58 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Now its destroying White and Hispanic families. Blacks were the canary in the coal mine.


  64. 65 | April 9, 2013 9:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    OFa did not know what hit them!


  65. buzzsawmonkey
    66 | April 9, 2013 9:59 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Buzz- funny you should say that. I was talking to Speranza on Sunday night and said that people forget that when Bush took the time to explain his actions, his poll numbers actually increased.

    Back when Bush was still President, both at Yertle’s pond and after, I used to say that Bush’s biggest mistake was not having a Department of War Information. There should have been government reports, maps of objectives and ongoing reports of battle objectives and objectives achieved.

    Instead, he and his idiot advisers let the far-left hostile media define not only his actions but his objectives and whether or not they were successful. Of course he lost ground.


  66. buzzsawmonkey
    67 | April 9, 2013 9:59 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    In other words, he’s a rotten president.

    Obama? Yes, he is. He stinks on ice.


  67. 68 | April 9, 2013 10:00 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I remember you always complaining about that. I used to totally agree.


  68. 69 | April 9, 2013 10:01 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Be honest, Obama is not a good President. If some of us here admit Bush sucked, you can admit Obama sucks.

    Come on, be honest!


  69. 70 | April 9, 2013 10:02 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yep. I can’t see Cheney giving him that advice. I think that advice came from Rove and company.


  70. RIX
    71 | April 9, 2013 10:02 am

    Good morning. The yoots vis a vis Obama remind me of a wife in
    an abusive marriage.
    The guy beats her and philanders, but tells her that he loves her.
    In spite of all evidence to the contrary she believes him.


  71. 72 | April 9, 2013 10:03 am

    @ Rodan:

    Obama doesn’t suck. Obama is DANGEROUS. Bush at least was fighting against a dishonest media. Obama is helped by a dishonest media.


  72. 73 | April 9, 2013 10:03 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Bush was in over his head. He really did not realize that Arab Muslims are savages and the Left are an internal enemy. He was naive, not stupid. Huge differences.

    Obama is stupid and evil, hence that makes him worse.


  73. 74 | April 9, 2013 10:04 am

    @ RIX:

    I see he paraded out the Newtown families yet again. Tragedy victims as props. However, if the NRA paraded out victims of the gun violence in Chicago, they would be accused of exploitation.


  74. buzzsawmonkey
    75 | April 9, 2013 10:04 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I remember you always complaining about that. I used to totally agree.

    I can’t see why you wouldn’t agree now. Whatever other errors Bush may have committed, whatever other successes he can claim, making and keeping the American people fully conscious of what we were fighting for and why was something that he needed to do and failed, dismally, to accomplish.

    Bush should have done that—not for himself, even, but for the sake of America and its cohesion as a society. Had he done so, the communist groups that flourish in the manure pile of Obama’s America would have had a much harder time taking root.


  75. 76 | April 9, 2013 10:05 am

    @ RIX:

    They have no alternative. Republicans tell them to FOAD. So they stick in an abusive relationship. Until Republicans become more youth friendly, the situation will not change.


  76. 77 | April 9, 2013 10:07 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I do agree. I was talking about when I saw it on LGF, I always agreed.

    Part of the problem was that Bush himself was a Progressive. He believed in many of the aims of the Left. Hence he kept trying to please them to prove he was one of them.


  77. 78 | April 9, 2013 10:07 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The media is an arm of the Regime.


  78. 79 | April 9, 2013 10:10 am

    Isn’t OFA a 501(c)(3) non-profit?

    The pro-Obama group Organizing for Action said Monday it is launching online ads targeting 10 Republican senators and one Democrat for their opposition to expanded gun-control measures — the group’s second such campaign on the issue.

    Maybe it’s time to revoke their status and that of Media Matters. Political advocacy is a big NO NO.


  79. 80 | April 9, 2013 10:12 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    OFA are digital Brown SHirts.


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    81 | April 9, 2013 10:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Part of the problem was that Bush himself was a Progressive. He believed in many of the aims of the Left. Hence he kept trying to please them to prove he was one of them.

    I’m not entirely sure he agreed with the Progressive line—but he sure as hell did want the Progressives’ approval. And that, frankly, is worse—because the promise, or the withholding, of approval sought can always be used to manipulate the seeker.

    It doesn’t matter whether Bush agreed with the proggies; he wanted them to love, or at least like, or at least not visibly dislike, him. He was always looking for that approval, and they could make him jump through hoops with the never-realized promise of giving it. And that quest, guaranteed at the outset to fail, was the fatal flaw in his Presidency.


  81. theoutsider
    82 | April 9, 2013 10:14 am

    @ Rodan:
    After he’s served two terms, let’s see what the country is like. Bush ruined the country after his two terms. I’m giving Obama two terms to correct the malfeasance of the last administration.


  82. buzzsawmonkey
    83 | April 9, 2013 10:16 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    Bush ruined the country after his two terms.

    Really? How?


  83. 84 | April 9, 2013 10:16 am

    @ theoutsider:

    He’s ruined it after ONE term.


  84. 85 | April 9, 2013 10:16 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    My question exactly. Be prepared for crickets.


  85. buzzsawmonkey
    86 | April 9, 2013 10:17 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    I’m giving Obama two terms to correct the malfeasance of the last administration.

    What “malfeasance,” and what do you believe Obama has done to “correct” it?

    No points will be given if you do not show your work.


  86. RIX
    87 | April 9, 2013 10:17 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I see he paraded out the Newtown families yet again. Tragedy victims as props. However, if the NRA paraded out victims of the gun violence in Chicago, they would be accused of exploitation.

    Excellent observation. These people have my sympathy, but they are
    now willing props.
    The visual of them exiting Air Force One, was each shaking Obamas hand at
    the door & one woman grinning & hugging him..
    They all had terrible losses, but they don’t really have any particular expertise
    in gun saftey.


  87. 88 | April 9, 2013 10:18 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I can answer, but will allow the Outsider to.


  88. 89 | April 9, 2013 10:19 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I agree with most of what you wrote, but the evidence is Bush was a Progressive. He was Center-Left as opposed to the Hard Left of the Democrats.


  89. Speranza
    90 | April 9, 2013 10:20 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I see he paraded out the Newtown families yet again. Tragedy victims as props. However, if the NRA paraded out victims of the gun violence in Chicago, they would be accused of exploitation.

    He is completely shameless.


  90. 91 | April 9, 2013 10:20 am

    @ theoutsider:

    In other words, you are judging Obama by a lower standard than you would anopther President.

    Why is that?


  91. 92 | April 9, 2013 10:21 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Democrat talking points, Buzz, Democrat talkling points.
    It’s Bush’s fault. “Failed policies” of the last administration. But I have yet to see them enumerate what exactly those failed policies were.


  92. Speranza
    93 | April 9, 2013 10:22 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Buzz- funny you should say that. I was talking to Speranza on Sunday night and said that people forget that when Bush took the time to explain his actions, his poll numbers actually increased.
    And President Putz is down 2 more at Ras today, -13.

    I don’t know why Bush did not take his case to the American people as Nixon did in 1970 with his “silent majority” speech which was ridiculed but worked brilliantly for him.


  93. Bumr50
    94 | April 9, 2013 10:23 am

    @ theoutsider:

    When did you turn into a talking point?


  94. RIX
    95 | April 9, 2013 10:23 am

    The commission of an act that is unequivocally illegal or completely wrongful.

    Malfeasance is a comprehensive term used in both civil and Criminal Law to describe any act that is wrongful. It is not a distinct crime or tort, but may be used generally to describe any act that is criminal or that is wrongful and gives rise to, or somehow contributes to, the injury of another person@ theoutsider:

    Ya think that malfeasance might be a little bit strong?


  95. Speranza
    96 | April 9, 2013 10:24 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    57 states
    10,000 dead in a tornado
    Newton children killed with AUTOMATIC weapons

    “The English Embassy” in Tehran.


  96. 97 | April 9, 2013 10:24 am

    @ Speranza:

    Clinton’s strategy was to “answer every charge” (of course he lied like hell but he “answered”). I imagine Rove didn’t subscribe to that strategy and therefore counseled against it. Which was, as we both agree, a big mistake.


  97. 98 | April 9, 2013 10:25 am

    @ Speranza:

    Breathalyzer.
    The fact that he can’t put five words together (uh..uh..uh) without an effing teleprompter.


  98. Speranza
    99 | April 9, 2013 10:25 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Bush isn’t the only American president to lose the “nucular” war. In his “On Language” column in the New York Times Magazine in May 2001, William Safire lamented that, besides Bush, at least three other presidents Eisenhower, Carter, and Clinton have mangled the word.

    Eisenhower could not spell “Israel” correctly. According to Abba Eban, Eisenhower would write “Isreal” (sic) all the time in his diplomatic notes.


  99. 100 | April 9, 2013 10:26 am

    @ Speranza:

    This shows the intellectual dishonesty of the Left. Most Economic/Fiscal Conservatives despise Bush’s poclies. Many on the Right admit his Nation Building lets be friends with the Muzz failed.

    Yet, the Left refuse to admit Obama is a failure.

    Now the joke is on the Left, Bush was a Tranzi Progressives. He was one of them, but he was not Leftist enough for them.


  100. Bumr50
    101 | April 9, 2013 10:26 am

    I’ve noticed a recent outbreak of BDS lately, even before Thatcher’s passing.

    It’s a bit like the herp -- only flares up when irritated.

    Must be frustration that the American people refuse to “do something” (restricting Second Amendment freedoms) for the sake of “doing something.”

    Damn bitter clingers!!

    //

    ;-)


  101. 102 | April 9, 2013 10:27 am

    @ Speranza:

    I have a brilliant attorney in this office who cannot, for the life of him, say the word “experience” correctly. Why, I do not know.


  102. Speranza
    103 | April 9, 2013 10:27 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    And how does Bush rank in your mind?

    Not very highly in my eyes because he was pretty liberal on economics and said that Islam was a religion of peace(barf!) although he ranks high in his patriotism and basic human decency.


  103. Bumr50
    104 | April 9, 2013 10:28 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I don’t know why Bush did not take his case to the American people as Nixon did in 1970 with his “silent majority” speech which was ridiculed but worked brilliantly for him.

    My guess?

    Bad advice.


  104. 105 | April 9, 2013 10:28 am

    @ Rodan:

    The President cannot spend without the agreement of the House of Representatives. They are as complicit in Bush’s spending sprees as he was. And we took care of them in 2006.

    The GOP might want to remember that election. The one where Karl Rove cost them Congress.


  105. 106 | April 9, 2013 10:28 am

    @ Bumr50:

    I admit to have Rightwing BDS. But I have ODS as well!

    :lol:


  106. theoutsider
    107 | April 9, 2013 10:28 am

    What are you talking about? The country has improved during Obama’s first term. Not as much as much as I wanted, but we’re definitely in a better place than Bush left us in. I think Obama is going to be regarded as a really good president, but we won’t the finality until 2017. We know what George W Bush left us with. A Disaster.


  107. Speranza
    108 | April 9, 2013 10:29 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I don’t know why Bush did not take his case to the American people as Nixon did in 1970 with his “silent majority” speech which was ridiculed but worked brilliantly for him.

    My guess?

    Bad advice.

    The GOP Consulting Class (Pig Vomit Rove) sure hit it out of the park with their “advice’.


  108. RIX
    109 | April 9, 2013 10:31 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Breathalyzer.
    The fact that he can’t put five words together (uh..uh..uh) without an effing teleprompter.

    How about BHO seeing Memorial Day Honorees in a crowd?
    “I see dead people.”


  109. Speranza
    110 | April 9, 2013 10:31 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    What are you talking about? The country has improved during Obama’s first term. Not as much as much as I wanted, but we’re definitely in a better place than Bush left us in. I think Obama is going to be regarded as a really good president, but we won’t the finality until 2017. We know what George W Bush left us with. A Disaster.

    Yeah that deficit is working out great for us (and we do not have Obamacare kicking in yet) as well as the number of people who dropped pout of the work force because they know they will never be able to find employment. More Americans on food stamps too. All these college kids working (if they are lucky) minimum wage or low paying dead end jobs, with tens of thousands of dollars in student loans that have to be paid off.


  110. 111 | April 9, 2013 10:31 am

    @ theoutsider:

    How. List.


  111. 112 | April 9, 2013 10:31 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I do blame the Republicans in Congress as well. They went from keeping Clinton in check to giving Bush a blank Check.

    But at the end of the day, Bush was not a fiscal/economic Conservative.


  112. Speranza
    113 | April 9, 2013 10:33 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I have a brilliant attorney in this office who cannot, for the life of him, say the word “experience” correctly. Why, I do not know.

    A lot of it is regional pronunciations. If you know how to fly and land a supersonic jet fighter, you have some serious brain cells working for you.


  113. Bumr50
    114 | April 9, 2013 10:33 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    The country has improved during Obama’s first term.

    How so?

    Please quantify.


  114. Bumr50
    115 | April 9, 2013 10:34 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    GMTA.


  115. Speranza
    116 | April 9, 2013 10:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    This shows the intellectual dishonesty of the Left. Most Economic/Fiscal Conservatives despise Bush’s poclies. Many on the Right admit his Nation Building lets be friends with the Muzz failed.
    Yet, the Left refuse to admit Obama is a failure.
    Now the joke is on the Left, Bush was a Tranzi Progressives. He was one of them, but he was not Leftist enough for them.

    Both Bush’s would have fit in perfectly in the LBJ administration as Nixon would have fit in with FDR’s gang.


  116. Speranza
    117 | April 9, 2013 10:35 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Clinton’s strategy was to “answer every charge” (of course he lied like hell but he “answered”). I imagine Rove didn’t subscribe to that strategy and therefore counseled against it. Which was, as we both agree, a big mistake.

    Rove needs to be squashed like a cockroach.**** Roger Ailes for foisting him on Fox viewers.


  117. buzzsawmonkey
    118 | April 9, 2013 10:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I agree with most of what you wrote, but the evidence is Bush was a Progressive. He was Center-Left as opposed to the Hard Left of the Democrats.

    I don’t fundamentally disagree; my point, however, is that it was his desire for the Left’s approval that drove him—more, I think, than ideology of any kind. I could be wrong, of course—I am speculating, after all, from afar based on limited observation—but I see the same hunger for approval animating far too many politicians, particularly on the right. I would argue that the “desire to be invited to the right parties” which you, and Iron Fist, and others (including myself) have mentioned is a manifestation of that desire, nay, need for the approval (rather than the respect) of one’s opponents.

    GW Bush was the reformed “screwup son.” That’s precisely the kind of person who is most avid to seek approval—whether from Dad or from a hostile opposing electorate. McCain, by all accounts, was something of a screwup until forcibly reformed by his POW experience. This makes his chasing after the proggie side of the aisle a bizarre psychological combination of reformed screwup seeking parental approval and Stockholm Syndrome.

    The Reformed Screwup will always chase desperately after the approval of those who despise him. Obama is not a Reformed Screwup; he never reformed. He has lived a charmed life in which he could laze away and screw up all he wanted and the way would still be paved for him, so he expects unmerited obeisance as an entitlement.


  118. Speranza
    119 | April 9, 2013 10:36 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Breathalyzer.
    The fact that he can’t put five words together (uh..uh..uh) without an effing teleprompter.

    One of the greatest frauds sold to the public was how bright Obama is. He actually is a mediocre thinker and has a real nasty inner personality.


  119. Bumr50
    120 | April 9, 2013 10:37 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I embrace my inner screwup.


  120. buzzsawmonkey
    121 | April 9, 2013 10:38 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Bush was a Tranzi Progressives.

    Hey, Bush never wore women’s clothes in his life…


  121. Speranza
    122 | April 9, 2013 10:38 am

    RIX wrote:

    How about BHO seeing Memorial Day Honorees in a crowd?
    “I see dead people.”

    I forgot about that one -- yeah that was funny. Also on D-Day (June 6) one year he could not get off the golf course to issue a statement.


  122. 123 | April 9, 2013 10:39 am

    @ Speranza:

    This is why I forever despise the Bush family.

    They allowed Ex Democrats to take over the GOP. I am convinced it was all planned by the Democrats and Republicans are just a straw man Party.


  123. Speranza
    124 | April 9, 2013 10:40 am

    Rodan wrote:

    But at the end of the day, Bush was not a fiscal/economic Conservative.

    Outside of cutting taxes which he (Bush) did, you are right.


  124. 125 | April 9, 2013 10:40 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is a very good analysis!


  125. 126 | April 9, 2013 10:41 am

    @ Bumr50:

    And we won’t get an answer. Because the statements are fundamentally and completely untrue. When cornered, our little troll sprints away.


  126. 127 | April 9, 2013 10:41 am

    @ Speranza:

    Even his Tax cuts were Progressive. He took Millions of tax payers off the rolls.


  127. Speranza
    128 | April 9, 2013 10:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    This is why I forever despise the Bush family.
    They allowed Ex Democrats to take over the GOP. I am convinced it was all planned by the Democrats and Republicans are just a straw man Party.

    It is a civil war that needs to be fought other wise Jeb Porky Bush will get the nomination.


  128. 129 | April 9, 2013 10:42 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    What are you talking about? The country has improved during Obama’s first term. Not as much as much as I wanted, but we’re definitely in a better place than Bush left us in. I think Obama is going to be regarded as a really good president, but we won’t the finality until 2017. We know what George W Bush left us with. A Disaster.

    The average wage is down 7,000 dollars under Obama. How are we better off?


  129. Speranza
    130 | April 9, 2013 10:43 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    And we won’t get an answer. Because the statements are fundamentally and completely untrue. When cornered, our little troll sprints away.

    He has got to check back with the folks at T.P.M.


  130. 131 | April 9, 2013 10:44 am

    @ Rodan:

    And also could be applicable to some of the policies of Richard Nixon. This is the man who gave us the EPA -- which has emerged second only to the IRS in terms of tyranny perpetuated on the citizens it is designed to serve. It beats the IRS, however, in terms of oppression -- it writes its own restrictive regulations that have the force of law. The IRS does not write the Tax Code.


  131. Speranza
    132 | April 9, 2013 10:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Even his Tax cuts were Progressive. He took Millions of tax payers off the rolls.

    He in many ways was a con artist just like this new “Conservative Victory Project” group.


  132. 133 | April 9, 2013 10:45 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Always. He’s never answered my question about how much debt is too much. Ever. It isn’t in his OFA talking points, so he doesn’t really know.


  133. 134 | April 9, 2013 10:46 am

    @ Speranza:

    The problem is that elements of the “base” are easily manipulated by people like Jeb Bush.


  134. 135 | April 9, 2013 10:46 am

    @ Rodan:

    We aren’t. You know, back in the day, the only thing that could really get you kicked out of our old stomping ground was putting up posts designed to do nothing more than flame or annoy. This is what our little friend does. His postings are nothing more than garden-variety Democrat/Liberal talking points that have no basis in reality. No answers when challenged, no links to back up claims which high-dive into the absurd.

    Time to set the Phasers to ignore, I think.


  135. Speranza
    136 | April 9, 2013 10:46 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    And also could be applicable to some of the policies of Richard Nixon. This is the man who gave us the EPA — which has emerged second only to the IRS in terms of tyranny perpetuated on the citizens it is designed to serve. It beats the IRS, however, in terms of oppression — it writes its own restrictive regulations that have the force of law. The IRS does not write the Tax Code.

    Nixon never was a conservative and JFK in 1960 was more conservative then Nixon. His landslide victory of 1972 was a victory of pure selfishness. He did not give a damn about bringing in more Republicans and hogged the money and the best advisers just for himself.


  136. RIX
    137 | April 9, 2013 10:46 am

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    How about BHO seeing Memorial Day Honorees in a crowd?
    “I see dead people.”

    I forgot about that one — yeah that was funny. Also on D-Day (June 6) one year he could not get off the golf course to issue a statement.

    I wonder if he can name the Capitals of all 57 states?


  137. 138 | April 9, 2013 10:47 am

    @ Speranza:

    Rove is a disgusting PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!


  138. theoutsider
    139 | April 9, 2013 10:47 am

    @ Rodan:
    It’s actually down that much since 2001. Check the math.


  139. 140 | April 9, 2013 10:47 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Nixon was a Leftist as well.


  140. Speranza
    141 | April 9, 2013 10:49 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The problem is that elements of the “base” are easily manipulated by people like Jeb Bush.

    If they think that Porky has a chance of being elected they are as delusional as he was when he said there is no baggage attached to his family name.

    Oh I forgot the 3 million (or 4 million is it?) Evangelicals who sat it out in 2012 will all now after 8 years of the Obamination, come out. /


  141. buzzsawmonkey
    142 | April 9, 2013 10:49 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Nixon was a Leftist as well.

    And, actually, quite intelligent—but always with a chip on his shoulder because he was the scholarship boy who had to work hard and who never was accepted by the cool kids.


  142. 143 | April 9, 2013 10:51 am

    Speranza wrote:

    hogged the money and the best advisers just for himself.

    Sounds like Obama in that.


  143. Speranza
    144 | April 9, 2013 10:51 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Nixon was a Leftist as well.

    And, actually, quite intelligent—but always with a chip on his shoulder because he was the scholarship boy who had to work hard and who never was accepted by the cool kids.

    I would think that Nixon had one of the highest IQ’s of any POTUS we ever had.


  144. 145 | April 9, 2013 10:52 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Indeed. It’s worrisome when we have to pay for the wedgies our leaders were given in high school. However, had we not had the voter fraud in Chicago in 1960, he may have well been President. His advisors begged him to challenge the vote in 1960, saying that there were some peculiarities in it. His response was “no, it would destroy the country.”

    Of course, we had to wait 40 years for the Al Sore Loser to put his desires ahead of the country’s.


  145. 146 | April 9, 2013 10:53 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Oh I forgot the 3 million (or 4 million is it?) Evangelicals who sat it out in 2012

    That is simply a lie. I’ve linked to it before, but I don’t have it handy. More evangelicals turned out for Romney than ever turned out.


  146. 147 | April 9, 2013 10:53 am

    Read this


  147. 149 | April 9, 2013 10:54 am

    !@ buzzsawmonkey:

    Hence his resentment of the Kennedies.


  148. Bumr50
    150 | April 9, 2013 10:55 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m pretty good at circulating it.

    There was a link at AmSpec.


  149. 151 | April 9, 2013 10:56 am

    @ Bumr50:

    That article is spot on.

    Bush was Center-Left and Obama Far Left.


  150. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | April 9, 2013 10:57 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I would think that Nixon had one of the highest IQ’s of any POTUS we ever had.

    In this century. I think “IQ” is too modern a concept to really be worth thinking about too far back in the march of history.

    Frankly, though, IQ is overrated. This is one of the things that the Mad King, with his bizarre fixation on evolution, never understood; what you know, or think you know, about the origins of the universe or the development of man (or dinosaurs) has absolutely nothing to do with the qualities necessary in a President. Some measure of intellgence, yes; some measure of education in the areas of history, politics, war, and economics. But most importantly, the moral clarity that gives the ability to make decisions when and as needed and to stick by those decisions as one’s own—which is something that the current Occupant profoundly lacks.


  151. Bumr50
    153 | April 9, 2013 10:59 am

    @ Speranza:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Here ya go.

    As predicted in a pre-election Pew polls and elsewhere, traditional Catholics and evangelicals seem to have repeated their 2004 high water of support for the Republican presidential nominee. Exit polls showed that white evangelicals, who were 26 percent of total voters, rehashed their 2004 level of support for George W. Bush, supporting Romney by 79 percent to 21 percent. In 2004 white evangelicals were 23 percent of the electorate, sparking fears of impending theocracy by some on the Left.
    Exit polling revealed Protestants and other Christians (including evangelicals and Mainline Protestants of all races plus presumably Eastern Orthodox), who made up 53 percent of the electorate, voted 42 percent for Obama and 57 percent for Romney. A poll more strictly confined to Protestants shows they favored Romney 62 to 37 percent. White Protestant and other Christians, comprising 39 percent of the total, favored Romney 69 to 30 percent. Weekly Protestant church attenders favored Romney 70 percent to 29 percent.
    A pre-election Pew poll showed most Catholics supporting Romney. The exit poll showed Catholics, who were 25 percent of the electorate, voting 50 percent for Obama and 48 percent for Romney. But weekly mass attending Catholics supported Romney by 57 to 42 percent. And white Catholics, comprising 18 percent of the total, supported Romney by 59 to 40 percent, a greater percentage than their 2004 support for Bush. Weekly church goers of all churches, who comprised 42 percent of the electorate, supported Romney by 59 to 39 percent.
    By contrast, more occasional church attenders, comprising 40 percent of voters, supported Obama by 55 to 43 percent. Those who never attend, comprising 17 percent, supported him by 62 to 34 percent. The 12 percent who report no religious affiliation supported Obama by 70 percent to 26 percent.

    Most here know I’m a libertarian FisCon, so I don’t have a dog in this.


  152. Speranza
    154 | April 9, 2013 10:59 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I agree that IQ is overrated. I only brought it up because the Left likes to portray Nixon as some sort of troglodyte.


  153. buzzsawmonkey
    155 | April 9, 2013 11:01 am

    By the way, can’t we complain to OFA? Don’t we deserve a better troll than theoutsider?

    Or are we doing something wrong? Maybe we’re not sticking a big enough pitchfork into the ass of the Regime, and if we were we’d get a better grade of troll.


  154. 156 | April 9, 2013 11:01 am

    @ Bumr50:

    Thanks!


  155. Speranza
    157 | April 9, 2013 11:02 am

    @ Bumr50:
    Anyone who sat it out is worthless.


  156. 158 | April 9, 2013 11:03 am

    Folks, I “did the math.”

    Median Household income in 2007 -- $54.5K

    Median Household income in 2008 -- $52.5K (start of financial crisis)

    Median Household income in 2011 >$45K

    Things are “improving?” -- Must be the “new” math.


  157. Speranza
    159 | April 9, 2013 11:03 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Oh I forgot the 3 million (or 4 million is it?) Evangelicals who sat it out in 2012
    That is simply a lie. I’ve linked to it before, but I don’t have it handy. More evangelicals turned out for Romney than ever turned out.

    Exactly and shame on Rush Limbaugh for propagating that myth.


  158. 160 | April 9, 2013 11:04 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Seriously. We should ask ZIP to share some of his. OFA has assigned some really outstanding assholes to that site!


  159. Speranza
    161 | April 9, 2013 11:04 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Folks, I “did the math.”
    Median Household income in 2007 — $54.5K
    Median Household income in 2008 — $52.5K (start of financial crisis)
    Median Household income in 2011 >$45K
    Things are “improving?” — Must be the “new” math.

    Don’t confuse him with the facts -- his mind’s made up!


  160. 162 | April 9, 2013 11:06 am

    @ Bumr50:

    I’m a Libertarian Fiscon as well.

    What’s sad is the GOP did a good analysis of what went wrong in the election and what they need to do to change. But the Corrupt Consultant Class and elements of the base have attacked the report. The GOP is doing nothing to change, so they are on the verge of losing my vote. They lost already relatives of mine, my Step Dad and Mom. I am the last one in my family that still could vote for them. But If I see no change, I am out also.

    People do not like sitting on a sinking ship.


  161. 163 | April 9, 2013 11:07 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Folks, I “did the math.”
    Median Household income in 2007 — $54.5K
    Median Household income in 2008 — $52.5K (start of financial crisis)
    Median Household income in 2011 >$45K
    Things are “improving?” — Must be the “new” math.

    Hence 7,000 less!

    He’s probably getting waiting OFA’s response.


  162. 164 | April 9, 2013 11:09 am

    @ Rodan:

    Never provides facts, just statements.
    Time to just let him spew and sputter and pay no mind. Too bad there’s no “ignore” feature on the blogs like there are in chat rooms.


  163. lobo91
    165 | April 9, 2013 11:09 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Always. He’s never answered my question about how much debt is too much. Ever. It isn’t in his OFA talking points, so he doesn’t really know.

    Can’t really hold that against him. His leader (Obama) can’t answer it, either.

    But he does think that perpetual trillion dollar annual deficits doesn’t amount to “living beyond our means.”


  164. 166 | April 9, 2013 11:11 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    He’s still awaiting OFA’s emails.


  165. buzzsawmonkey
    167 | April 9, 2013 11:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    He’s still awaiting OFA’s emails.

    Or a scan of Jim Messina’s hand with a message written on it.


  166. 168 | April 9, 2013 11:15 am

    @ Rodan:

    One of the biggest falacies promulgated by President Putz and his stenographic media is that Bush was responsible for the “financial meltdown” of 2007/2008.

    This is precipitated by the mortgage-backed securities market. Which was a by-product of Fannie and Freddie’s pushing lenders further and further into the sub-prime mortgage market. Bush went to the Hill not once but THREE times asking Congress to take control of this or there would be dire consequences. But the Dancing Queen Barney Frank and the folks at Fannie and Freddie bought off those that should have been paying attention and the reins were never pulled.

    Paulson and Bernacke screwed up completely on their response. They suggested TARP to Bush and he urged its passage. That was a mistake. All TARP did was create banks that are now “Too Big to Fail” and slow the inevitable failure of the smaller banks.


  167. 169 | April 9, 2013 11:18 am

    @ lobo91:

    Which is precisely why the Senate has not passed a budget since the onset of the Stimulus in 2009. It allows them to utilize that extra trillion dollars via “baseline budgeting” without having to account for it year after year. The idea is “America doesn’t know what we’re REALLY spending.” It’s also why Obama presents a budget so outrageous that the Senate won’t pass it. C’mon -- why would the Democrat controlled Senate not pass something Obama really wants — because they know if they did, it would go to the House and they would pick it to pieces on national TV.


  168. buzzsawmonkey
    170 | April 9, 2013 11:20 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Which is precisely why the Senate has not passed a budget since the onset of the Stimulus in 2009. It allows them to utilize that extra trillion dollars via “baseline budgeting” without having to account for it year after year. The idea is “America doesn’t know what we’re REALLY spending.” It’s also why Obama presents a budget so outrageous that the Senate won’t pass it. C’mon — why would the Democrat controlled Senate not pass something Obama really wants — because they know if they did, it would go to the House and they would pick it to pieces on national TV.

    Right. Failure to pass a budget means that each continuing resolution gives Obama a brand-new, full-size, trillion-dollar “stimulus” every year—and he still keeps asking for more money, more taxes, more spending.


  169. 172 | April 9, 2013 11:25 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    gives Obama a brand-new, full-size, trillion-dollar “stimulus” every year

    And it still< ?B> hasn’t improved the economy. Keyensian economics should be dead, dead, dead after this expensive failure. But Paul Krugman assures us we haven’t spent enough! Hence my assertion that bankruptcy for America is what the Democrats aim for. There is no other way to interpret their actions.


  170. Bumr50
    173 | April 9, 2013 11:35 am

    JUDDGATE!

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s reelection campaign asked the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office on Tuesday to investigate how a magazine obtained a recording of a February strategy session.
    “Senator McConnell’s campaign is working with the FBI and has notified the local U.S. Attorney in Louisville, per FBI request, about these recordings,” McConnell campaign manager Jesse Benton said in a statement. “Obviously a recording device of some kind was placed in Senator McConnell’s campaign office without consent. By whom and how that was accomplished will presumably will be the subject of a criminal investigation.”

    On Tuesday morning, Mother Jones, a liberal magazine, published an audio recording of McConnell staffers discussing opposition research they could use against actress Ashley Judd, who was considering running against veteran senator. In an earlier statement, the McConnell campaign accused “the Left” of using “Nixonian tactics” and bugging the campaign’s headquarters.

    ht -- Politico


  171. lobo91
    174 | April 9, 2013 11:37 am

    @ Bumr50:

    You should repost that on the new thread.


  172. Lily
    175 | April 9, 2013 11:50 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    What are you talking about? The country has improved during Obama’s first term. Not as much as much as I wanted, but we’re definitely in a better place than Bush left us in. I think Obama is going to be regarded as a really good president, but we won’t the finality until 2017. We know what George W Bush left us with. A Disaster.

    Stupid and drunk is no way to go through life. You have no idea the horrors that obama is doing to stomp down the ability to get a job, his all out war on small buisness’s….obamacare is already doing damage to this country in ways that you have no idea. No obama isn’t a good president. You watch your TV and believe the crap people tell you instead of honestly asking people in the real world. You give foolish a bad name. Benghazi should have sunk him but it didn’t because of the media’s help.


  173. 176 | April 9, 2013 12:00 pm

    @ Lily:

    Lily -- he’s a flame throwing attention whore. Never backs up a single thing he says, says the same little parrot mantra over and over again, hoping that we’ll all pay attention.

    I’m going back to my original GAZE. I’m sick of the crap coming from his keyboard. Runs away the minute he realizes his tripe can be refuted by fact. Which is about 30 seconds after he posts it. Then returns a couple minutes later with a new statement from his padded cell.


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