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Saturday Lecture Series: The French Revolution

by coldwarrior ( 129 Comments › )
Filed under Academia, History, Open thread, saturday lecture series at June 1st, 2013 - 8:00 am

This Week Prof Weber takes us to lecture 40. The French Revolution
“Liberty, equality, and fraternity skidded into a reign of Terror.”

 

Were the Jacobins  the fore-runners to our own Hipsters? Only Rodan knows!  ;)

 

Now On Youtube:

 

Our grad-ass, CJ tried to play a trick on us and replace the usual croissants, preserves, and coffee with bran muffins and herbal tea. Prof Daedalus caught him coming out of the bakery with the wrong order and remedied said   situation. So without further adieu, The French Revolution:

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  1. 1 | June 1, 2013 8:57 am

    Some interesting parallels between the French Revolution aftermath (…they declared that they would assist every people that wanted to be free…it turned out that some people didn’t want to be liberated or to adopt the institutions the French thought they ought to adopt.’) and what we’re seeing with the US & the “Arab Spring”.


  2. 2 | June 1, 2013 9:04 am

    If by “hipsters” you mean young people who behaved and dressed oddly by their elders’ standards, the answer is no. There were the “Macaronis” at the time of the American Revolution, and that merely continued a centuries’ (or eons)-long trend of young folk goofing on their elders.


  3. RIX
    3 | June 1, 2013 9:33 am

    Good morning. OT, but the Chicago Tribune has
    an article this morning about the meeting with Holder
    yesterday.
    They are reporting from the “Off the Record ” meeting
    that Holder pledged that going forward reporters
    will be given notice before emails & phone records
    are investigated. Further, reporters will not be
    prosecuted under the Espionage Act.
    I thought this was off the record. Apparently they are
    carrying water for Holder, reporting what he wants
    reported.


  4. RIX
    4 | June 1, 2013 9:53 am

    (RT) — Turkish security forces found a 2kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of Syrian militants from the Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb.
    HT Weasel Zippers

    These are the guys that McCain wants to arm?
    Why not jus give them nukes?


  5. 5 | June 1, 2013 10:31 am

    @ RIX:

    The Press is free to report what the Regiem wants reported. That is true “Freedom of the Press”, you see. Now isn’t that Progressive?


  6. Lily
    6 | June 1, 2013 10:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Sounds more like propaganda to me.
    /but what do I know.

    Morning all. :)


  7. 7 | June 1, 2013 10:56 am

    The Jacobins should not be confused with the Jacobites.. :shock: Not that anyone here would do that…cough cough coldwarrior cough cough… :twisted:


  8. 8 | June 1, 2013 10:59 am

    @ Lily:

    Oh, that is what it is. That and oppression. They are free to print what the Regiem wants printed, and not much else. That’s not what the Founders envisioned when they wrote the First Amendment, buut our press are sycophants of the Obama Administration, so they accept Obama’s overreach without much question. Yeah, the AP and Fox News bitched a little, but you haven’t seen stories critical of the Administration suddenly come to the fore, have you? The President’s scandals get mentioned, but they should be the focus of the media. Think about how the media hounded the Bush Administration over Valerie Plame. Obama got people killed at Benghazi. I think he had to be the one to give the “Stand Down” order to the military. That should have been front and center before the election. The sycophant Press let Obama slide.


  9. 9 | June 1, 2013 10:59 am

    @ doriangrey:

    The Jacobins were the forerunners of the Marxists.


  10. 10 | June 1, 2013 11:01 am

    Were the Jacobins the fore-runners to our own Hipsters?

    Yes, absolutely! The Jacobins were the Hipsters of their time period who instigated the French Revolution. The King of France was not hip. Robespierre was Hip and later not. Napoleon was Hip.


  11. rain of lead
    11 | June 1, 2013 11:20 am

    mornin ya’ll


  12. RIX
    12 | June 1, 2013 11:22 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The Press is free to report what the Regiem wants reported. That is true “Freedom of the Press”, you see. Now isn’t that Progressive?

    And I think that’s what happened, they got their marching orders.
    What Rosen revealed was pretty meaningless.
    On the other hand Obama outed Seal Team 6 after the
    Bin Laden Raid & Penetta outed the Paki doctor who helped
    us.
    If nailing a journalist is important, Bush could have gone
    after Geraldo for giving away troop positions on live TV.
    I thought that the military should have bared him from Iraq.
    Actually it would have been better if Fox did it.


  13. 13 | June 1, 2013 11:22 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Morning!


  14. 14 | June 1, 2013 11:23 am

    @ RIX:

    Geraldo is a Paulian (Ron not Rand) now.


  15. RIX
    15 | June 1, 2013 11:25 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Geraldo is a Paulian (Ron not Rand) now.

    He is & an insufferable snob.
    He loves BHO.


  16. 16 | June 1, 2013 11:27 am

    RIX wrote:

    On the other hand Obama outed Seal Team 6 after the
    Bin Laden Raid & Penetta outed the Paki doctor who helped
    us.

    Panetta kept that Paki doctor from being able to get out of th ecountry. That is how much Obama really valued gettin g bin Laden. He did it because the political consequences of not doing it were too great. I think in the 100 or so days he waited after we had the info he was secretly hoping bin Laden would slip away. Which he really should have done. Bin Laden stayed in one place too long for the Most Wanted Man in the World. If he’d been moving around every couple of months we’d have never nailed him. Not with Obama’s waffeling on getting him the way he did.


  17. 17 | June 1, 2013 11:30 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Getting Osama was just a symbolic act by Obama. Its had no effect on the organization.


  18. RIX
    18 | June 1, 2013 11:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    On the other hand Obama outed Seal Team 6 after the
    Bin Laden Raid & Penetta outed the Paki doctor who helped
    us.

    Panetta kept that Paki doctor from being able to get out of th ecountry. That is how much Obama really valued gettin g bin Laden. He did it because the political consequences of not doing it were too great. I think in the 100 or so days he waited after we had the info he was secretly hoping bin Laden would slip away. Which he really should have done. Bin Laden stayed in one place too long for the Most Wanted Man in the World. If he’d been moving around every couple of months we’d have never nailed him. Not with Obama’s waffeling on getting him the way he did.

    Once Panetta outed the Doctor his fate was seled.
    The Paki government was between a rock & a
    hard place with the populace.
    We could cut a face saving deal to get the guy out
    now, but Obama doesn’t care.
    BHO kept passing on taking out Bin Laden, following
    Jarrets advice.
    In the end he had to act & then you would have sworn
    that he led the raid.


  19. heysoos
    20 | June 1, 2013 11:34 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Getting Osama was just a symbolic act by Obama. Its had no effect on the organization.

    all the deaths in Astan in his watch are symbolic, meaningless waste to beef up his fraud


  20. RIX
    21 | June 1, 2013 11:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Getting Osama was just a symbolic act by Obama. Its had no effect on the organization.

    True, Osama was in semi retirement.
    He had it coming, but it did not disrupt Al Queda.
    Obama is really not that interested in the “War on
    Terror”. It is a distraction from his war on the
    Middle Class.


  21. eaglesoars
    22 | June 1, 2013 11:43 am

    If you compare our revolution/founding documents with theirs, one thing stands out for me. Private property. IIRC Tocuqueville’s family fortunes were barely protected as their political standing waxed and waned while here private property was/is considered sacrosanct.

    They simply replaced one form of statism with another. But my favorite part of their revolution is when Robespierre finally gets his.

    Just as an aside, something you might find in a Trivia game, Louis and Antoinnette were survived by one child who lived to adulthood -- their daughter -- I think her name was Marie. She married and contemporary accounts portray her as unhappy, unpleasant and a tad bitter.
    Their son died fairly young -- 10 or 11 -- from what seems to have been spinal tuberculosis. He was grossly mistreated and a malnourished alcoholic when he died.


  22. Lily
    23 | June 1, 2013 12:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Geraldo is a Paulian (Ron not Rand) now.

    He is & an insufferable snob.
    He loves BHO.

    Embeile fool comes to mind to with insufferable! ;)


  23. Lily
    24 | June 1, 2013 12:23 pm

    @ Lily:

    Darn commie keyboard PIMF imbecile


  24. Lily
    25 | June 1, 2013 12:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Oh so right about the press…disgusting swine! They don’t even pretend anymore.


  25. Lily
    26 | June 1, 2013 12:29 pm

    Darn! I have killed the damn thread AGAIN! Was it something I said?


  26. 27 | June 1, 2013 12:29 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yup.


  27. 28 | June 1, 2013 12:30 pm

    Some good terror vs. terror news.

    Muslim Brotherhood’s Spiritual leaders declares Jihad on Hezbollah


  28. Lily
    29 | June 1, 2013 12:38 pm

    This is so wrong.

    U.S. Gave Instructions To List Amb. Stevens As “John Doe” At The Hospital in Benghazi

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/01/u-s-gave-instructions-to-list-amb-stevens-as-john-doe-at-the-hospital-in-benghazi/


  29. Lily
    30 | June 1, 2013 12:45 pm

    So Saturday today.


  30. Lily
    31 | June 1, 2013 12:46 pm

    @ Lily:

    Okay I’ll post to myself that will make it crank up to stop me. ;)


  31. Lily
    32 | June 1, 2013 12:47 pm


  32. Lily
    33 | June 1, 2013 12:52 pm


  33. Lily
    34 | June 1, 2013 12:58 pm


  34. Lily
    35 | June 1, 2013 1:06 pm


  35. 36 | June 1, 2013 1:27 pm

    Well, the IL legislature passed a CCW bill by a veto-proof majority. Al things considered, I’m rather stunned at how good it actually is.


  36. 37 | June 1, 2013 1:35 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Amazing the bill actually passed.

    @ Lily:
    Hi Lily! How’s life?


  37. RIX
    38 | June 1, 2013 1:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Geraldo is a Paulian (Ron not Rand) now.

    He is & an insufferable snob.
    He loves BHO.

    Embeile fool comes to mind to with insufferable!

    He’s all of that.


  38. RIX
    39 | June 1, 2013 1:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Some good terror vs. terror news.

    Muslim Brotherhood’s Spiritual leaders declares Jihad on Hezbollah

    Not a problem, John Brennan says that there is
    no violent Jihad in Islam.
    It’s just a peaceful inner struggle./


  39. darkwords
    40 | June 1, 2013 2:01 pm

    @ 39 RIX:
    Just like there never is any violence during May Day parades. Or SEIU is a peaceful organization. When the duplicitous left meets the average treacherous muslim kids are not safe.


  40. The Osprey
    41 | June 1, 2013 2:02 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    The Jacobins should not be confused with the Jacobites.. Not that anyone here would do that…cough cough coldwarrior cough cough…

    Scotch is a drink. Scots are a people.

    The ’45 had a big effect on our own history as the defeat of the Jacobite clans forced a lot of disgruntled Scots to emigrate to the colonies…


  41. The Osprey
    42 | June 1, 2013 2:03 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Well, the IL legislature passed a CCW bill by a veto-proof majority. Al things considered, I’m rather stunned at how good it actually is.

    Is it good statewide or is it void in Chicago?


  42. 43 | June 1, 2013 2:12 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Surprisingly, the bill includes state pre-emption on carry, and several other items, so yes, it’s actually good state-wide. Probably the main reason I was a bit stunned.


  43. The Osprey
    45 | June 1, 2013 2:17 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ The Osprey:

    Surprisingly, the bill includes state pre-emption on carry, and several other items, so yes, it’s actually good state-wide. Probably the main reason I was a bit stunned.

    Holy moly! Chicago dem politicians and their tool of a police chief are going to have a sh**fit!


  44. RIX
    46 | June 1, 2013 2:22 pm
    darkwords wrote:

    @ 39 RIX:
    Just like there never is any violence during May Day parades. Or SEIU is a peaceful organization. When the duplicitous left meets the average treacherous muslim kids are not safe.

    @ darkwords:

    The SEIU is a very radical organization.
    SEIU , Acorn & others are shock troops
    for the Regime.


  45. 47 | June 1, 2013 2:24 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    People who are pro-gun control are anti-civil rights. The gun control culture is much more comparable to the racists of the 1960s. Indeed, they don’t think law-abiding black people in th einner cities have the right to arms. Who’s the real racist here?


  46. RIX
    48 | June 1, 2013 2:28 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Piers Morgan is still a soutpiel!

    http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/05/31/piers-morgan-outrageously-compares-us-gun-culture-racist-culture-60s

    Deport him! Deport him , now!
    Wait , the Brits don’t want him back.
    We have to be smart here. How about tossing
    him into the water about a mile out & let him swim
    for it?
    They would have to take him then.


  47. 49 | June 1, 2013 2:35 pm

    @ RIX:
    Who cares if he actually makes it or not? He can swim back to Britain from New York Harbor, for all I care.


  48. RIX
    50 | June 1, 2013 2:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Who cares if he actually makes it or not? He can swim back to Britain from New York Harbor, for all I care.

    He won’t leave on his own though.
    He loves to lecture Americans with his
    effete British accent, but he won’t go home.
    Maybe we can cut a deal with the Brits, that if
    they take him back, we will keep Madonna away
    from them.


  49. 51 | June 1, 2013 2:57 pm

    @ RIX:

    Hey, let’s send both of them to Britain. Britain has gun control laws that Morgan would like, and it is collapsing into a Sharia hell-hole. Madonna should be comfortable there … :mrgreen:


  50. RIX
    52 | June 1, 2013 3:01 pm

    Fox is covering a story about Sarah, the little girl
    who will die without a lung transplant. I don’t
    know if anyone else is covering it.
    It seems even though her condition is grave, the law
    doesn’t give her a priority, because she is not yet 12
    years old.
    Pressure was brought on Sebelius & she says that the
    law needs to be changed.
    She has the power to grant this little girl a waiver, but
    she refuses.
    The child is projected to die in two weeks.
    This is a prelude to ObamaCare.


  51. RIX
    53 | June 1, 2013 3:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Hey, let’s send both of them to Britain. Britain has gun control laws that Morgan would like, and it is collapsing into a Sharia hell-hole. Madonna should be comfortable there …

    I can get behind that, but I think that
    the quid pro quo would be keeping
    Madonna out of England.


  52. 54 | June 1, 2013 3:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    He loves to lecture Americans with his
    effeminate British accent, but he won’t go home.

    There, fixed that for ya!


  53. 55 | June 1, 2013 3:08 pm

    @ RIX:

    Of course, there is a special place in Hell for Sebelius and all the other Filthy Communist Bastards and Bitches for Обамаcare.


  54. RIX
    56 | June 1, 2013 3:09 pm

    Macker wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    He loves to lecture Americans with his
    effeminate British accent, but he won’t go home.

    There, fixed that for ya!

    That too.


  55. lobo91
    57 | June 1, 2013 3:11 pm

    @ RIX:

    The child is projected to die in two weeks.
    This is a prelude to ObamaCare.

    After she dies, though, Sebelius and Obama will use her as another example in their speeches.


  56. RIX
    58 | June 1, 2013 3:13 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Of course, there is a special place in Hell for Sebelius and all the other Filthy Communist Bastards and Bitches for Обамаcare.

    She is one heinous individual.
    I thought that she just loved abortion,
    but she apparently doesn’t like kids even
    after they’re born.
    This is a window into the selective rationing
    that we will see under ObamaCare.
    This kid could be saved without adversely affecting
    anyone else, but Sebilous is apparently fine with
    letting the kid die,


  57. RIX
    59 | June 1, 2013 3:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The child is projected to die in two weeks.
    This is a prelude to ObamaCare.

    After she dies, though, Sebelius and Obama will use her as another example in their speeches.


  58. RIX
    60 | June 1, 2013 3:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The child is projected to die in two weeks.
    This is a prelude to ObamaCare.

    After she dies, though, Sebelius and Obama will use her as another example in their speeches.

    Let me try again. You just know that they will.
    This is Sophistry & the Media abets it.


  59. RIX
    62 | June 1, 2013 4:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Report: UK To Start Weapons Shipments To Rebels In Syria By August…

    Brilliant

    I just don’t get it. On its face is actually too
    stupid to just write off to stupidity.
    I just wonder if this is a case of follow the cash.
    Senators McCain & Kerry ran over to Viet Nam
    to be with their “dear friends.”
    Then voila1 The Viets get a sweet trade bill.
    I my be conflating two issues, but I see a similarity.
    Nothing makes sense unless you follow the cash.


  60. RIX
    63 | June 1, 2013 4:24 pm

    Ryan Lizza @RyanLizza

    Actual question from application to be intern w/Anthony Weiner campaign: “If you could be any type of animal, what would you be and why?”
    6:17 PM -- 31 May 2013
    @ Twitchy.

    This is actually a real question on the app to
    be an intern for Weiner.
    I’m guessing that the right answer is “A nymphomaniac monkey.”


  61. heysoos
    64 | June 1, 2013 4:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    Report: UK To Start Weapons Shipments To Rebels In Syria By August…
    Brilliant

    I just don’t get it. On its face is actually too
    stupid to just write off to stupidity.
    I just wonder if this is a case of follow the cash.
    Senators McCain & Kerry ran over to Viet Nam
    to be with their “dear friends.”
    Then voila1 The Viets get a sweet trade bill.
    I my be conflating two issues, but I see a similarity.
    Nothing makes sense unless you follow the cash.

    prolongs the fight
    more bad guys die
    Britain makes money
    sounds okay to me


  62. lobo91
    65 | June 1, 2013 4:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You left out:

    Terrorists use British weapons to attack western targets


  63. RIX
    66 | June 1, 2013 4:36 pm

    prolongs the fight
    more bad guys die
    Britain makes money
    sounds okay to me
    @ heysoos:

    Might not go that way. The Rebels could win &
    then there is Jihadi state to del with.
    I would rather deal with a more secular dictator that
    can be intimidated.


  64. RIX
    67 | June 1, 2013 4:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    You left out:

    Terrorists use British weapons to attack western targets

    It is guaranteed.


  65. lobo91
    68 | June 1, 2013 4:40 pm

    Muslim Group CAIR Demands Independent Investigation Into Todashev Shooting By FBI

    An advocacy group is demanding a civil-rights investigation into the death of a Chechen immigrant shot by an FBI agent in Orlando last week during questioning into his ties to one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.

    During a news conference Wednesday, a Council on American-Islamic Relations spokesman said Ibragim Todashev, 27, was not only unarmed the night he was shot, he was shot seven times.

    Wrong. He was an MMA fighter, and he had some sort of steel pole. While not a gun or knife, it’s still a weapon. And the FBI agent who shot him had enough injuries that he required stitches in his head.

    CAIR spokesman Hassan Shibly said his group is asking the U.S. Department of Justice’s civil-rights division to open a probe into how Todashev died. Shibly says he wants to examine whether excessive force was used or whether Todashev’s rights were violated.

    “Our call for an independent investigation of this disturbing incident is not just about the victim and his family, but is also about constitutional rights and the rule of law,” Shibly said.

    This is rich, coming from the spokesman for a group that doesn’t believe in our constitution or laws.


  66. 69 | June 1, 2013 4:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Even if they don’t attack Western targets per se, they don’t make much of a secret of the fact that if Bashar Assad goes their next target is Jordan. Last time I checked, Jordan was on the rather short list of good guys in the Middle East. It makes perfect sense to help overthrow them. More Arab Spring®! :roll:


  67. 70 | June 1, 2013 4:44 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They believe that they have rights. Special rights, even. It is just like the gun controllers. They believe in the rights they like. Other rights, like freedom of religion or expression, not so much.


  68. RIX
    71 | June 1, 2013 4:45 pm

    @ lobo91:
    While we are at it , let’s investigate the Koran
    to see if it makes Muslims nuts.
    Cair would support that./


  69. lobo91
    72 | June 1, 2013 4:49 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    While we are at it , let’s investigate the Koran
    to see if it makes Muslims nuts.
    Cair would support that./

    I like the way they ignore what the guy was actually doing at the time he attacked the FBI agent.

    He was in the process of signing his confession for a triple homicide.


  70. 73 | June 1, 2013 4:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    He was in the process of signing his confession for a triple homicide.

    For a Muslim, that’s like taking communion. After all, they were just Kaffirs that he killed, right? Not like they were Muslims after all…


  71. RIX
    74 | June 1, 2013 4:57 pm

    I like the way they ignore what the guy was actually doing at the time he attacked the FBI agent.

    He was in the process of signing his confession for a triple homicide.@ lobo91:

    Completely gloss over that part.
    This was not an innocent victim of da man.
    He was a cold blooded killer.Also this was a
    mixed martial arts guy with a metal pole in his
    hands.
    He begged for it & now he has 72 Virgins.


  72. heysoos
    75 | June 1, 2013 4:57 pm

    I bet it would take an entire pistol grip to kill me


  73. 76 | June 1, 2013 4:59 pm

    @ RIX:

    I don’t cut the FBI much slack, but attacking an FBI agent that is investigating you is a pretty sure way to get dead. What was the guy supposed to do? Let the good Muslim kill him? CAIR probably thinks that’s a swell Idea, but for the rest of us, this sounds like a righteous shooting.


  74. 77 | June 1, 2013 5:00 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Generally, you shoot them until they are no longer a threat, which means until they stop moving or surrender. It doesn’t sound like this guy wanted to surrender.


  75. lobo91
    78 | June 1, 2013 5:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s very common for people in that sort of situation, including trained and experienced law enforcement officers, to fire a lot more rounds than what someone sitting on their couch might think was “reasonable.” They usually can’t even tell you how many shots they fired afterwards.


  76. RIX
    79 | June 1, 2013 5:04 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I don’t cut the FBI much slack, but attacking an FBI agent that is investigating you is a pretty sure way to get dead. What was the guy supposed to do? Let the good Muslim kill him? CAIR probably thinks that’s a swell Idea, but for the rest of us, this sounds like a righteous shooting.

    Right, I don’t absolutely take the word of the
    FBI, or any government agency.
    If the facts were different here, I would see it
    differently.
    But the jihadi goof attacked an agent & the guy
    had right to defend himself.


  77. RIX
    80 | June 1, 2013 5:04 pm

    See ya later.


  78. 81 | June 1, 2013 5:07 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That’s one of the reasons that you need a high-capacity magazine fo rpersonal defense. There’s no right number of rounds to fire in a gun fight. You fire until there is no longer a threat or you run out of ammunition, and you hope that you don’t run out of ammunition. Sure, you don’t “spray and pray”, but you aren’t countin grounds concerned about what you’ll look like in the after-action report.


  79. lobo91
    82 | June 1, 2013 5:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    People also tend to believe that real cops (or FBI agents) are like the ones you see on TV, and get into gunfights on a weekly basis. The average street cop will never fire his weapon during his career. FBI agents or detectives are even less likely to shoot someone than a uniformed cop is.

    I don’t care how many thousands of rounds you fire on the range, nobody knows how they’ll react when they’re facing a target that’s shooting back (or trying to bash their head in).


  80. lobo91
    83 | June 1, 2013 5:18 pm

    CNN: Almost 90 IRS Employees Under Investigation For Targeting Conservatives…

    The Internal Revenue Service has told House GOP investigators they have identified 88 IRS employees who may have documents relevant to the congressional investigation into targeting of conservative groups, according to a congressional source familiar with the investigation.

    Just a couple of “rogue employees,” huh?


  81. brookly red
    84 | June 1, 2013 5:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    CNN: Almost 90 IRS Employees Under Investigation For Targeting Conservatives…

    The Internal Revenue Service has told House GOP investigators they have identified 88 IRS employees who may have documents relevant to the congressional investigation into targeting of conservative groups, according to a congressional source familiar with the investigation.

    Just a couple of “rogue employees,” huh?

    90 sounds like a conspiracy… I guess RICO applies here.


  82. lobo91
    85 | June 1, 2013 5:23 pm

    @ brookly red:

    90 sounds like a conspiracy… I guess RICO applies here.

    Conspiracy? 90 employees sounds like direct orders from the top.


  83. brookly red
    86 | June 1, 2013 5:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I don’t cut the FBI much slack, but attacking an FBI agent that is investigating you is a pretty sure way to get dead. What was the guy supposed to do? Let the good Muslim kill him? CAIR probably thinks that’s a swell Idea, but for the rest of us, this sounds like a righteous shooting.

    Right, I don’t absolutely take the word of the
    FBI, or any government agency.
    If the facts were different here, I would see it
    differently.
    But the jihadi goof attacked an agent & the guy
    had right to defend himself.

    well we either have to take away the agent’s right or extend the same right to everyone…


  84. brookly red
    87 | June 1, 2013 5:30 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    90 sounds like a conspiracy… I guess RICO applies here.

    Conspiracy? 90 employees sounds like direct orders from the top.

    yeah any one with the IQ of a carrot knows that but we still gotta prove it


  85. 88 | June 1, 2013 5:34 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Of course the orders came from the top. These are functionaries, all of them, even Lerner. They don’t do anything without orders. I doubt the orders came from the Oval Office directly. Obama didn’t have to give that order. He created the environment where the person who did give the order felt that they were carrying out his will, though. Ultimately, the President is responsible for the conduct of his Administration.


  86. brookly red
    89 | June 1, 2013 5:39 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Of course the orders came from the top. These are functionaries, all of them, even Lerner. They don’t do anything without orders. I doubt the orders came from the Oval Office directly. Obama didn’t have to give that order. He created the environment where the person who did give the order felt that they were carrying out his will, though. Ultimately, the President is responsible for the conduct of his Administration.

    saying responsible democrat is like saying sexy cellulite


  87. heysoos
    90 | June 1, 2013 6:34 pm

    liberalism strips away liberty, wrecks the economy, reduces people to herd animals, creates misery and death….for starters


  88. Da_Beerfreak
    91 | June 1, 2013 6:40 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    liberalism strips away liberty, wrecks the economy, reduces people to herd animals, creates misery and death….for starters

    And those are its few good points… :twisted:


  89. Calo
    93 | June 1, 2013 7:35 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I had to stop reading after the Creationism comment.


  90. heysoos
    94 | June 1, 2013 7:39 pm

    our president is a conspirator to murder…people die to advance his personal agenda


  91. lobo91
    95 | June 1, 2013 7:43 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I had to stop reading after the Creationism comment.

    My favorite was the part about how if there were any facts behind any of this, Obama would be impeached. Since he hasn’t been impeached, therefore there are no facts.

    I’m not sure how these “facts” are supposed to come out if nobody’s allowed to ask questions, though.


  92. lobo91
    96 | June 1, 2013 7:43 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    our president is a conspirator to murder…people die to advance his personal agenda

    Of course. He’s a Democrat. It’s what they do.


  93. Calo
    97 | June 1, 2013 7:46 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Heh, same comment irritated both of us.


  94. lobo91
    98 | June 1, 2013 7:47 pm

    Dem Governors Whine: Rick Perry Is Trying To Take All Of Our Jobs…

    Gov. Rick Perry’s high-profile efforts to lure jobs to Texas from other states may be good business and smart politics back home, but they’re infuriating to prominent Democrats around the country.

    Perry’s forceful recruitment campaigns, featuring radio and magazine ads as well as personal appearances, promise low-tax, pro-growth policies in Texas —and they also trash the business climate in places like California (“…I hear building a business in California is next to impossible”) and Illinois (“…an environment that, intentionally or not, is designed for you to fail.”)

    Those attacks hit where it hurts and have touched off an angry political backlash against Perry outside the Texas borders, with Democrats mocking his attempts to steal jobs as clownish – and warning the Republican governor to keep his handsoff. In a memorable put-down, Gov. Jerry Brown said Perry’s incursions into California were about as effective as breaking wind.


  95. waldensianspirit
    99 | June 1, 2013 7:49 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Heh, same comment irritated both of us.

    Dudes questionably literate


  96. Calo
    100 | June 1, 2013 7:50 pm

    Not the best debater in his bid for POTUS, but a hell of a Governor.

    http://weaselzippers.us/


  97. heysoos
    101 | June 1, 2013 7:50 pm

    @ lobo91:
    did they warn Bloomberg to keep his nose out of other state’s elections?…they come at you with a club, you haul out your own and they cry unfair..these people are sickening


  98. Calo
    102 | June 1, 2013 7:51 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Get outta my head.


  99. lobo91
    103 | June 1, 2013 7:55 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The ultimate example of a Democrat killing people to advance his own agenda is LBJ and Vietnam. If you want to read something really sickening, try Into the Quagmire:Lyndon Johnson and the Escalation of the Vietnam War .

    The only reason LBJ went into Vietnam was to keep people from claiming that he was weak on national security issues, which he thought would cause problems getting his Godawful domestic agenda through.


  100. lobo91
    104 | June 1, 2013 7:55 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Get outta my head.

    There’s a lot of dust in here… :)


  101. 105 | June 1, 2013 7:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Wouldn’t it be a motherfrakker for California if, say, Apple moved their Corporate HQ to Texas? I know I know…wishful thinking! :)


  102. AZfederalist
    106 | June 1, 2013 7:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    with Democrats mocking his attempts to steal jobs as clownish – and warning the Republican governor to keep his handsoff.

    So, if they were truly clownish and ineffective, they’d have kept their mouths shut and just laughed at Perry. Given this amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth, looks like he’s taking flak and over the target.


  103. heysoos
    107 | June 1, 2013 7:59 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Wouldn’t it be a motherfrakker for California if, say, Apple moved their Corporate HQ to Texas? I know I know…wishful thinking!

    Chevron bought 2k acres outside of Houston, they are leaving CA


  104. lobo91
    108 | June 1, 2013 7:59 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Exactly


  105. AZfederalist
    109 | June 1, 2013 8:01 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Wouldn’t it be a motherfrakker for California if, say, Apple moved their Corporate HQ to Texas? I know I know…wishful thinking!

    Probably the last thing Texas needs. That would be a bunch of blue-staters infesting Texas. The upper echelons of Apple are pretty leftist.


  106. heysoos
    110 | June 1, 2013 8:01 pm

    @ heysoos:
    forgot the link…I was thinking about Howlin Wolf
    http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=8928858


  107. lobo91
    111 | June 1, 2013 8:02 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    They’d fit right in in Austin.


  108. heysoos
    112 | June 1, 2013 8:03 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Macker wrote:
    @ lobo91:
    Wouldn’t it be a motherfrakker for California if, say, Apple moved their Corporate HQ to Texas? I know I know…wishful thinking!

    Probably the last thing Texas needs. That would be a bunch of blue-staters infesting Texas. The upper echelons of Apple are pretty leftist.

    fuck Apple…they make toys for the affluent, or the stupid poor


  109. Calo
    113 | June 1, 2013 8:08 pm

    @ heysoos:
    You had to say Howling Wolf, didn’t you?


  110. lobo91
    114 | June 1, 2013 8:11 pm

    Rand Paul Nails It On Syria: If We Arm The Rebels We’ll Be Allied With Al-Qaeda And The Weapons Will Be Used To Kill Christians…

    “I’m very worried about getting involved in a new war in Syria. People say ‘Assad is such a bad guy.’ He is. But on the other side we have al-Qaida and now Nusra. They say there are some pro-Western people and we’re going to vet them. Well, apparently we’ve got a Senator over there who got his picture taken with some kidnappers, so I don’t know how good a job we’re going to do vetting those who are going to get the arms.”

    “So there’s two ironies you have to overcome if you want to get involved in a war in Syria. The first irony is you will be allied with al-Qaida. The second irony is most of the Christians are on the other side, so you may be arming Islamic rebels who may well be killing Christians.”

    At least someone is paying attention.


  111. heysoos
    115 | June 1, 2013 8:30 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You had to say Howling Wolf, didn’t you?

    Chester and I share the same birthday…6-10…
    he’s a distinguished member of Mt Bluesmore…
    and I saw him perform a couple of times


  112. lobo91
    116 | June 1, 2013 8:41 pm

    Daily Telegraph Poll: 86% Want To Repeal UK Handgun Ban

    Think having a soldier hacked to death in broad daylight could have something to do with that?


  113. heysoos
    117 | June 1, 2013 8:42 pm

    for the record…
    Hubert Sumlin was inside the heart of the Chicago blues scene…he was Howlin Wolfs sidekick, driver, woman finder, and second guitar…he was far more accomplished as a player than Wolf, and Wolf resented that but Hubert was his guy…he outlived Wolf by many years and is the best insight into the enigmatic Wolf and those wild times…Chicago blues in the 40-50′s


  114. Calo
    118 | June 1, 2013 8:44 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Briton is a tinderbox right now, waiting to explode.’

    Not over there, I just base my opinion on what I have been observing on Twitter since that incident.


  115. heysoos
    119 | June 1, 2013 8:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Daily Telegraph Poll: 86% Want To Repeal UK Handgun Ban
    Think having a soldier hacked to death in broad daylight could have something to do with that?

    if I confronted this chopper guy with a nightstick, he’s live (my choice) but be crippled for life…you meet fire power with more firepower eh?


  116. Calo
    120 | June 1, 2013 8:48 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I’d do Hubert, and leave the haysoos fumbling for his zipper.


  117. heysoos
    121 | June 1, 2013 8:52 pm

    @ Calo:
    not sure what you are saying…I’m pretty dense


  118. lobo91
    122 | June 1, 2013 8:58 pm

    @ heysoos:

    if I confronted this chopper guy with a nightstick, he’s live (my choice) but be crippled for life…you meet fire power with more firepower eh?

    He had a gun, too


  119. heysoos
    123 | June 1, 2013 9:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    if I confronted this chopper guy with a nightstick, he’s live (my choice) but be crippled for life…you meet fire power with more firepower eh?
    He had a gun, too

    in that case I would be shitting my britches, diving into a trash can


  120. The Osprey
    124 | June 1, 2013 9:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Daily Telegraph Poll: 86% Want To Repeal UK Handgun Ban

    Think having a soldier hacked to death in broad daylight could have something to do with that?

    The Soutpiel is going to have an brain hemmorage. Imagine, if he returned home to Britain just in time for their gun ban to be overturned! :lol:


  121. heysoos
    125 | June 1, 2013 9:05 pm

    I contend that every human being on Earth should be armed by, oh, twelves years old…in Montana, kids don’t play with Tonka toys, they play with Smith and Wesson toys…people up there are really polite


  122. lobo91
    126 | June 1, 2013 9:10 pm

    @ heysoos:

    That’s why it took the cops 20 minutes to respond. Someone had to go get guns from the armory at the station, since most of them are unarmed.


  123. lobo91
    127 | June 1, 2013 9:17 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I contend that every human being on Earth should be armed by, oh, twelves years old…in Montana, kids don’t play with Tonka toys, they play with Smith and Wesson toys…people up there are really polite

    And hardly anyone gets shot


  124. lobo91
    128 | June 1, 2013 9:56 pm

    Nanny Bloomberg’s Anti-Gun Ads Blow Up In His Face, Senators Targeted Wearing Them As A “Badge Of Honor” In Their Re-Election Campaigns…

    Bloomberg dramatically overestimates how popular or influential he is outside of the confines of New York City, and his arrogance has backfired. Pryor’s new ad — and expect similar ads or rhetoric from the other senators (from both parties) that Bloomberg has been firebombing with anti-gun ads — basks in Bloomberg’s ire: “The mayor of New York City is running ads again me, because I oppose President Obama’s gun-control legislation. … I’m Mark Pryor. And I approve this message because no one from New York or Washington tells me what to do. I listen to Arkansas.”


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